This is honestly your best work yet. It flows so incredibly well and focusing it all on the emotional, singular journey of polarizing genius Whedon makes it feel like a short film. His issues with other projects aside, I always maintained that this man gave us the perfect Avengers film and that the deck was stacked against him heavily in the sequel. Glad to see there’s proof to that pudding thanks to your video. A beautiful mess, is what I call the potential of AoU.
even then, he got a ridiculous amount of help from his friends and other writers for the first Avengers script. his two brothers zack and jed whedon and his own wife kai cole, along with his friend and usual ex co-worker drew goddard, maurissa tancharoen and even kevin feige himself all helped to make the script. it's important to note that none of these people worked on Age of Ultron. zack and drew were both heavily busy during that time, and ultron came primarily from joss' own mind, even lacking the same guidelines that The Avengers did. and as for kai cole? well shortly after The Avengers they separated due to joss being just... the absolute worst husband. now, that's not to say any of these people deserve credit over joss or on the same level. zack and kai's work in film often compliments other people's work, and not much else. goddard is probably the most likely figure in this trio who might be an actual key reason for differences between Avengers and Ultron. goddard has a more sincere, sensibility to him than whedon who is more concerned with making serious points out of self-awareness and self-parody in some cases. the fact that it just so happens that Avengers is more sincere than Ultron is not one that can be ruled out as being perhaps indicative of drew's tenure on the film. however, I would argue that it's more likely that a lot of that sincerity and character development, which had been sorely lacking in Ultron, was actually the result of the people who, uncredited, rewrote joss' script before and during filming and improved/fixed several elements of it.
@@ManSeekingMeaningI love age of Ultron I've watched it 4 times gets better on every rewatch it's a movie that still feels relevant And other wordly but still feels grounded And it has many good moments I think about
Funny thing is Age of Ultron is the movie I rewatch the most out of the Avengers movies and is the most Avengers one of them all: there is a fully formed team from start to finish, Avengers tower, quin jet, and arguably the best interactions between all the characters
yeah i feel like the first one gets way too much credit. yes its the first time we see these characters interact, but aside from the final battle in NY, all they really did was just...stand around in the helicarrier for most of the movie. and i'd argue infinity war and endgame were more like 'everyone' movies than just avengers.
While I don't think it's the best Avengers movie, it's my favorite MCU movie besides Infinity War and Endgame. It was a huge upgrade from the first one (which I still love for many reasons, especially since it feels like a pilot episode of an animated series) but Age of Ultron seemed to have a lot more emotion, conflicts, and action.
Huge props to Downey for standing up for his fellow cast members in regards to pay. Some people would just say "not my problem" and be happy taking home more than their co-stars. You can see why people love working with him, he's loyal and someone you want on your side for sure.
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 Have you seen him talk about his bs "science" discoveries? Dude is fully off his rocker, so I don't trust a word he says about RDJ. Could be legit, but how are we supposed to believe someone like Terrance Howard? lol
@RealEllenDeGeneres Howard said that Marvel couldn't insure Downey, so he had to step in. Total BS. Look up Downey's filmography. At least 10 films between 2003 & 2007, including Zodiac,Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Good Night and Good Luck. Some of his best work. He signed up for Tropic Thunder & The Soloist before Iron Man came out. Insurance isn't the reason why Marvel hesitated on Downey, it was sobriety. On the other hand, Howard was kicked off of a Broadway production of Cat On A Hot Tin Roof right about the same time he walked away from Marvel. He punched the piano player, who was also the director's brother, in the face. He's got issues.
@@RealEllenDeGeneres absolutely, what I'm saying is that RDJ took a stance against Marvel Entertainment so they don't screw over his co-leads, why wouldn't he do the same for someone who apparently was a big part of him getting Iron Man? Sketchy af.
I've always felt that Natasha calling herself a "monster" was in reference to her previous life. She's a flat-out murderer, and on some level she felt that all the good she did wouldn't ever make up for that. The misjudgment came in how her dialogue was written, having the "monster" line come so close to her talking to Banner about the Black Widow "graduation" procedure.
This is a great point and the only good counter to the backlash I've seen in these comments. Her example is poorly placed in the moment, undermining her entire plight.
Yeah but it's so sloppy, you can't blame people for being frustrated by it. Intent is not as important as how it ended up. And how it ended up is exactly how people heard it, a weird misogynistic line. You can have all the good intentions in the world, but if your end product is crappy, then it's crappy. Unintentional misogyny is still misogyny
The farm scene and the conversation between Vision and Ultron are two of the best scenes in the entire MCU. I think that Joss Whedon's vision for the film should have been realized on screen.
Lol so true, also the creative choice of making Ultron so talkative and quippy mainly to maybe show that he was Tony Starks shadow or his evil twin. Which is a waste given the trailer was so dark that it actually made you fear Ultron as a baddie. Then Ultron is making jokes, lame.
My personal theory is that the title is referring to what the Avengers are trying to stop from happening, not to the actual events of the movie. They're trying to prevent an age of Ultron.
They could've made age of Ultron after infinity war and endgame... Thanos is gone , ironman is gone and there's hardly any avenger left... Hank creates Ultron to protect earth and it gets out of control... Filler until Kang arrives from the future and helps them destroy Ultron....
I think a lot of people overlook the significance of this movie, and that it gave us our only true look at the ‘peak Avengers’. It takes place prior to any big infighting, characters leaving for other places, and before any major deaths. It’s our Hero’s at their strongest point. Admittedly, it’s one of my favorite MCU movies, and imo it’s 2nd best to only Infinity War, as far as *Avengers* labeled movies.
The Marvel creative committee consisted of people who were part of Marvel Entertainment and served as an extended arm for the infamous Ike Perlmutter (former president of Marvel Entertainment/ToyBiz). While Marvel was in New York, Marvel Studios operated in Los Angeles so that left Mr Perlmutter to form a committee to keep tabs on what happens on the west coast. They had infamous clashes with Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios and these episodes of creative clashes have been somewhat documented in the book “MCU: The Reign of Marvel Studios” and “With Great Power” podcast from the WSJ. Usually, these clashes came to budget concerns as Perlmutter has always been described as pragmatic. But in 2015, Bob Iger separated Marvel Studios from the overall Marvel umbrella so that Kevin Feige reported straight to Disney instead of Perlmutter and Feige was eventually promoted to chief creative officer in 2019, which means to some capacity, he’s in charge of the entire Marvel brand. The creative committee hasn’t existed in a long time and AoU was its last movie they were involved in. This also explains why for a long time the Marvel Television shows (AoS, DD, AC, Punisher, JJ, LC, Defenders) felt so distant from the wider MCU canon wise. Because they were technically two separate production studios who weren’t in synchronized contact as the movies were being made. The TV shows were reacting to what was happening in the movie and not the other way around.
@@EvCMickelodeon Considering how messed up Phase 4 & 5, maybe they should build a new one? I understand giving creative decision on directors and writers. But without someone as counterpart, it became overbloated. Sometime we need villains in management, because they can make us re-evaluate our own action. Just like Joker to Batman or Killmonger to Black Panther.
@@brodull1142No, the problem was that the autonomy to make their own choices was taken away when Bob Iger left Disney and Bob Chapek demanded that Marvel increase their output for Disney+. The problem with Phase 4&5 is the exact same as when the committee existed: a detached overseer making and forcing creative decisions on the studio for business reasons regardless of quality.
We still haven't gotten to Antman, this is gonna go on forever. An eternal sh*tshow. Thanks for all the compilation of this series, now to rewatch like 10 times and then watch Antman later
I enjoyed the film. The characterization of Ultron was perfect and sympathetic. A Hal-9000 with Tony Stark’s personality that thought it was the hero. I found Ultron’s character more compelling than Thanos as an antagonist. Thanos was a threat from behind and unknowable, Ultron is a reflection of humanity’s cold calculating darker side. And most tragic of all, Ultron wasn’t programmed to understand human emotions and found it impossible to understand why he was in the wrong, something his brother, Vision seems to sympathize with. My biggest disappointment is that Ultron was killed off from the MCU too soon
Meh. Ultron might as well been Strucker, just in a robot suit. He's too human and his origin is rushed. Ultron should be like a neglected child, who grew into a sociopath, who doesn't grasp human emotions and sees humans as cattles ready for slaughter. When he opens his mouth, he doesn't open it to spout one-liners; he does so only to say something that will send chills down your spine. That's why I think it was a bad idea to give Ultron to Stark and why it was a bad idea to not have Hank and Jannete on the origianl team roaster.
@@antona.8659 Agreed. He felt too human in a way that took away from his threat. Sometimes he has a decent line, but most of the time, the movie really wants you to remember his jokey bits more than the threat of him.
To this day I will never understand the "Black Widow said she was a monster because she couldn't have kids". I always took it as she was saying she was a monster because she was a assassin and had "so much red in her ledger". She was trying to make Bruce not feel so alone with all of the people he killed during Hulk rampages. Whenever I watch this movie I always pay attention to that scene and see it the same way.
I do think she is referring to herself as a monster because she can't have kids, but that is obviously a flaw in the character which sets about to give her depth, not some moral message that fans should "aspire" to. She thinks of herself as a monster from the beginning BECAUSE of her sterilization, which gives her the wiggle room to slide into the sadistic assassin role.. Now, at the time of that scene, she knows that the murders she committed were wrong, but she still thinks of herself as that same deformed abomination. It's not a critique of women who are unable to have kids, it's a critique of the character that she thinks that way.
@@digitalmonkeytools2925Then perhaps the part of her being unable to have children should have been cut from the script altogether and instead be left open to interpretation. Keep in mind that aside from her memory hallucination with Wanda, her only real arc is to be comfort for Bruce by helping him transform into/revert from the Hulk and became a damsel after Ultron kidnaps her. The fact she had more depth in the first Avengers movie during her confrontation with Loki really speaks volumes about the Perlmutter era of Marvel and his refusal to green-light a BW movie because it wouldn’t sell more toys.
I think Joss is too harsh on the final product. However AOU is another example on how the inconsistency of marvel isn’t a recent thing. It’s just been more prominent with the whole quantity over quality issue the last few years.
This franchise didn't hit it's stride until phase 3. Phases 1 and 2 were always all over the place. Everything in 4 and 5 has just felt like it's 1 and 2 again.
@@ItWasAShtShowthe failures of the Disney Plus shows, the Fox acquisition, Sony & Marvel bickering about how to handle Spidey till Tom had to call Bob to confirm if Spiderman NWH was still happening under Marvel... Till you're fucking 90 😂 but seriously, great work with every essay and podcast you, Clint & Rae do, I'm halfway done through your back catalogue while doing ride share jobs and it's so interesting understanding how bad film productions can be even for good or mediocore films, let alone bad ones
Ultron isn’t a character in his own right. He’s an algorithm based on the brainwaves of his creator. In the comics, that was Hank Pym; a notoriously misanthropic mad scientist who’s a knife-edge away from being a supervillain himself. MCU Ultron is actually very faithful, considering that Pym hasn’t been introduced yet and quipmaster Tony Stark had to create him instead.
Quick fact check. Age of ultron began filming early 2014 and was released in 2015 while Days of Future Past began filming in 2013 and was released in 2014. So there's a very miniscule chance that 20th century fox heard of, scripted and cast Pietro in Days of Future past a full year before Age of ultron even had a proper script laid out.
Also... In the Pentagon, it was supposed to be Juggernaut who breaks Erik from prison, but later was changed to quicksilver. Maybe Fox knew marvel was going to use Quicksilver in the AoU, then later decide "we can do a better version of Quicksilver"
Some fans of the comics were also a bit disappointed how Ultron was handled as he is among the strongest and longest lasting arch villains in the Marvel Universe. So to have him be introduced and destroyed in one movie might have been something of a downer considering his wide ranging influence he had in the comics.
Us fans of the comics already got used to the MCU botching iconic villains when we saw Iron Man 3 and Thor 2. So not like it was a surprise to see MCU fumble Ultron.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios agreed, Hank’s relationship with Ultron was so much more deep and complex. Hank considered him his son while Stark considered him just a “thing”.
Personally, I would’ve released Ant-Man after Captain America: the Winter Soldier, so that Ant-Man & Hank would’ve been involved in Age Of Ultron. Since Hank hated the Stark Family in the first Ant-Man movie, I would’ve just had Ultron’s resentment towards Iron Man coming from him being Hank’s boy. Heck I would’ve changed Ultron’s origin in the MCU by having Stark discovered him, and try to activate him until the Scepter wakes Ultron up.
@@jonjafri1427 I made the comment before it's premiere. Didn't watch it, commented solely based on hype for the premiere lol (just got done watching it)
I can imagine another movie where Joss’s conception of Black Widow as haunted by her killer past, trying to fix another broken person, and learning she needs to fix herself first would have set her up to have her own movie.
I completely agree. Better than Endgame, in my opinion. Joss mentioned that Age of Ultron was heavily edited down. Would love to see an extended edition one day, but I doubt that ever happens.
@404TVfr"Most underrated" doesn't mean "best movie of the MCU that nobody says so", it just means it's the one that is the most written off for what it does have to offer. I'm not sure I'd agree with the statement of it being the most underrated (there are others I think are worth mentioning like IM3), but I do think it is pretty underrated. Messy as it is, there's a lot of things it does that are either very memorable or just fun IMO.
If I ever see Weadon in person I want to let him know that I acknowledge his hard work, he truly made a crucial and important film to the MCU and its Saga
great job as always One thing i noticed re watching Buffy is that there is a S1 episode "I, Robot... You, Jane" which is basically the same plot as Age of Ultron - Willow releases a demon onto the internet and it builds itself a robot body
19:35 sure...if you forget everything she did as part of the Red Room and miss the nuance of her thinking that because up until joining the Avengers she's taken life but can't give it, so it's its own kind of existential crisis. I'm not a fan of Joss, but I'm not a fan of this particular criticism of this scene either.
For me, Arcane will always be the gold standard on how Corpo should interact with art. Corpo did not enforce any creative restriction on the show runners. They simply were there to make sure about the quality of the product. After the first run, they pull the plug because the story was not it. And after some years, the gave the green light again. But they were not micromanaging like in this video. They are not artists, they should shut the f up then about those matters. If the movie is not good, then say that this or that needs to change, but do not tell the artist how to change it. "This is confusing, I did not understand why we are doing this or that" is the criticism that is worthy, because if you know how to make the film better than the director, then be the frigging director yourself!
I am willing to bet the reason "Age of Ultron" doesn't have as many Joss Whedon horror stories is because of Disney's influence and the fact that the MCU was more beloved, compared to the DCEU. So they had an easier time covering it up.
I agree, but he might’ve had PTSD from Ultron and went into the DCEU with an axe to grind? But honestly that’s no excuse… his behavior stemmed from Buffy.
All of this just sounds like a bunch of excuses and MCU glazing to defend what is clearly a man with a lot of problems. He didn’t react a certain way on DC Films because Marvel’s was some how “better” the guy pulled up with an ego and was threatening people’s careers and acting weird the whole time all in hopes to Direct future DCEU films and more specifically a Batgirl Film. If the dude had an ounce of integrity he wouldn’t have taken the project in the first place. Respectfully almost everything about both comments are so off. I can respect Josh Whedon as a director two an extent but bro was horrible because he himself is just like that. He probably just hid it better especially when you consider what happened with n Buffy which was years prior to either films. Bro was just a dxck and I’m glad all the DCEU cast outed him for the weirdo he was.
I just wanna thank you for making these videos. I love looking at the behind-the-scenes perspective of my favorite films and why certain decisions were made.
i havent been this upset at a cliffhanger in a while because god damn was this video fantastic, and i need to see more. your channel is amazing! cant believe im only now finding it
I honestly really enjoy this movie. I liked this version of Quicksilver, Wanda and Natasha are my favorite female characters, Thor is actually serious and not a dumb funny idiot like in Love and Thunder and Ultron is simply one of my favorite Marvel villains. I may have removed the whole Natasha and Hulk romance but it was ok imo.
Black Widow in this movie called herself a monster _because she was trained and brainwashed as an assassin for years_ and has _murdered so many people._ "Red in her ledger," remember? The ability to have children that they took from her is just a symbol and constant reminder of _all the murder._ It _really_ isn't hard to understand.
IMO, Age of Ultron improves upon the first movie in nearly every way. The cinematography, darker tone, team chemistry, charcater arcs, action, drama, higher stakes. Ultron was a menacing villain. I hope we see him return one day. Super underrated film.
Man I still will always love Age of Ultron. It’s sad though, cause despite what Whedon is now; I feel like his vision for the movie could have been so much better, even though I already love this movie so much.
@@Starwarsfearsome Not if the mentioning is intended to show the quality gap between most of the new MCU movies produced nowdays and Age of Ultron. Back then, Age of Ultron and Thor: the Dark World were the worst MCU films ever made. Look how far down the MCU has gone since then.
@@miguelrosado6348 It hasn’t gone done THAT far. But I will point out that “Secret Invasion” was an AWFUL entry. The Story and Ideas weren’t bad, BUT THEY just Didn’t Stack up to what came out before.
@@miguelrosado6348 You kinda forget how bland Thor Dark World was :P Yeah, we have kinda bad movies and series now, but at least they have their memorable moments. Dark World? Simply forgetable. I consider that trait to be much much worse. Even Love and Thunder at least had great Jane & Thor relationship montage, black & white fight scene with Gorr monsters and so on. It was really good when it was good and bad when it was bad.
Can we not wait months for the next video please, I genuinely enjoy these information mini documentaries/video essays and hate having to wait so long for them
@@ItWasAShtShow I was not expecting a reply but I appreciate it. They’re so enjoyable to watch, Me & my brother binge watched all of them again this morning
I can't believe Black Panther and Captain America were introduced so late in the Avengers series. Joss Whedon was right to include Captain Marvel early on. It's sad that his toxic behaviour at work environment led to his not being part of Phase 3. Hope he find redemption soon.
It’s incredible watching them fight over the two scenes no one remembers arguably the only reason to watch the film is for the party scene which is way too short and just ends with the bad guy walking into the room to literally monologue
Man U absolutely kill it with these in depth breakdowns and looks behind the scenes. It’s not perfect, but I loved age of ultron! The first three phases were legendary! Great video man! 🔥🔥
it would be interesting to see a "wheden cut" maybe even part 1 part 2 or broken down into 5 episodes or something with a full long-form ultron arch storyline. (semi-ironically).
Given Joss's reputation nowadays it'll never happen, but this movie holds a special place in my heart, so I would love to see everything that didn't make it into the final film.
19:16 Ultron - an AI with the control of the entire Internet has the dumbest plan and the weakest ideas to kill humanity. That was the greatest uproar of viewers.
Ultron ended up being a pretty disappointing character, the first in a line of MCU villains that have ultimately failed to be coherent and genuinely frightened, i.e. Ronan, Gorr. Ultron makes 'that' AI assessment to eradicate humanity, but it's all one note from then on. No attempts to reason with him. No descent into AI madness. The farm scenes elevate this film from a C to a B.
Well done. And... yup... making epic, multi-character, super wild, EFX-heavy fantasy adventure films is simply no joke. It's hard enough to do a film with *ONE* superhero character (and one supervillain). But when you're stacking THREE AND THREE?! Or... six and six? TWELVE AND TWELVE?!? Are you crazy?! That's gonna be tough.
Honest question for the team: do you think you’ll ever do a podcast episode after the full videos? I ask because I just re listened to your episode on Deadpool, and it was interesting to have you all react to the discourse of the comments section of the video. Maybe as a wrap up when all the videos are done? That way any of the facts and figures that weren’t used in the main video could be discussed? Just a thought:-)
Even though this movie was Easter egging and teasing a lot of future marvel stuff, at least they did it a bit more subtle compared how the DCAU was so in your face of teasing future stuff in their earlier movies (*cough cough* Batman V Superman)
Been watching this series since Covid 2020…coming off of the highs of the previous 3 phases and now the continuation and evolution of the MCU. It cannot be understated enough the weird bag of emotions watching this video. Great video though as always…looking forward to the next 4 parts in the next 4 years when the MCU reaches 20. Insane. Years
The idea that Black Widow thought she was a monster because she couldn't have kids always felt like a misinterpretation of the scene. It wasn't simply being sterile that made her feel like a monster; it's the fact that she was made sterile in order to make her a better killer. Her ability to create life was taken away from her so that she could take life more effectively. Her infertility served as a permanent reminder of the red in her ledger.
I still feel if you watch it with the idea that it was supposed to be a psycho thriller with some action, I can look over a lot of the misses and actually quite enjoy it.
I watched like four of your videos a year ago and completely forgot to subscribe. I was VERY happy that this video was recommended to me today so I can watch the rest of your stuff!!!! Also I made sure to subscribe this time 😂
RDJ was smart taking a small check and points when he filmed Iron Man 1. Those points towards the box office really PAID OFF for him. No one can get mad at him for making a smart decision not knowing what the MCU would turn into after Iron Man 1.
He didn’t get points for Iron Man he got them for Avengers and Iron Man 3. That’s why Perlmutter was so angry, the guy whose career was resurrected was now calling the shots because they hadn’t secured a multi film contract.
@@langleymneely I know that, I wasn’t saying he got points for iron man 1. I know he signed a contract for the points going towards future films.. and im talking in the bigger spectrum of anyone that would hate RDJ for the deal he has..
Black Widow calls herself a monster because she has killed so many people. ref the first movie when she mentioned having red in her ledger. "can you wipe out that much red?". it's not because she can't have children, she tells Banner that because he is afraid to have children, and that's not a risk with her.
I initially expected you guys to cover all the alien movies (whether video or podcast) in the order of their release alongside the new ones (Alien Romulus), but this video is still fantastic and incredibly well-made! I can't wait to you guys talk about Ant-Man next cause Edgar Wright leaving the project due to "differences in their vision of the film" is the worst decision they have (on the bright side, phase 3 is more creative and diverse and let director/writers have their own voice in each movies, for better or worse). Quick question: Is Captain America the winter soldier being saved for another video, because I though winter soldier discuss along with Age of Ultron (I don't have Patreon)? And how many more of these (Making of MCU) can we expect?
Ultron as Whedon and Vision as the birth of the Russos is an interesting meta commentary on our current MCU I see the TVA (Marvel Creative Committee), Anchor beings (Reynolds, Hugh, Snipes, Tobey, RDJ), Visionaries (Russos/Avengers, Coogler/BP, Gunn/Rocket, Jac/Wandavision, Beau/Xmen97, etc), and Watchers (Fans, Jeffrey Wright) as the new World Tree we all occupy I'm excited for what's next
God, I can’t wait for you to catch up to the current era of the MCU. The shitshow that’s happening right now with abandoning the Kang storyline and pivoting to Doom is going to make for one hell of an episode!!
I believe it is 😂 it's supposed to be Whedon voicing his displeasures of Disney to publicly and Marvel aka Ironman shutting him up by blowing him up lol
20:16 The weird thing is that even today, a time when there are tons of female Marvel heroes like Captain Marvel, Spider-Gwen, Ms. Marvel, ETC, Black Widow continues to get shafted.
I'd like to add that the film's cinematic release was somewhat controversial in Germany. Disney raised it's rental fee significantly threatening the livelihood of smaller cinemas and leading to higher ticket prices and lower revenue for the cinemas. More than 600 cinemas across the country boycotted the film.
While it's certainly not a perfect film and I'm not eager to defend Whedon, I honestly believe this is among the few MCU films with engaging dramatic potential. I'd honestly argue that Cap and Tony are by far the most interesting here among all the other films.
Age of Ultron is criminally underrated. And by the time we were done with End Game, all the payoffs that came of it, made it that much better. May have been a "cog" but it doesn't matter. It sets up so much and made End Game that much better.
The problem I had when watching it was the constant wise-@ss lines that undermined every single scene. Stark should have been terrified fighting an out of control Hulk, then only make a joke when he knew he had the upper hand. Instead he treated the life or death situation like he was a low sub YT reaction channel
So true, never thought of that, it just felt so meh compared the first avengers movie scene where Hulk was after Black Widow, showing characters breaking out of their usual behavior is such a good way of making scenes feel significant. They did it with Thanos when he was stabbing Iron man, imagine if iron man said something funny like : "such a jerk, ruined my favorite shirt" . They still actually did that when thanos threw the moon, how the fuck does someone casually say : "if you throw another moon at me, and im gonna lose it". WHO fucking says at such a display of cosmic power, it worked out alright cause it was thanos and be did other shit besides that that had serious consequences, but it totally distracts you from the fact that a whole ass moon's surface was ripped apart and brought down from thousands of mile in space. Completely shatters the realism and gravity in those scenes. And now marvel is drowning itself in the same mistake, not taking their movies and villains seriously.
@@yade1234 Yeah, if they established the fact that Stark only jokes when he's in control, otherwise he takes things deadly seriously. It would have added SO much more to the fight in Infinity War's thanos vs stark fight. they had so many movies to set it up! They should have treated the Hulk like a nuke they could 'aim' at bad guys, but not control. like If they released the Hulk, good guys would get hurt, too. Then when the Hulk goes crazy, its genuinely terrifying.
I think marvel should give every major director who is interested, money to make their own multiverse version of characters. They could never connect. I just wanna see the Kevin Smith verse and the Quintin verse
This is honestly your best work yet. It flows so incredibly well and focusing it all on the emotional, singular journey of polarizing genius Whedon makes it feel like a short film. His issues with other projects aside, I always maintained that this man gave us the perfect Avengers film and that the deck was stacked against him heavily in the sequel. Glad to see there’s proof to that pudding thanks to your video. A beautiful mess, is what I call the potential of AoU.
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Aint no way you called Joss Whedon. Joss fucking Whedon, a "polarizing genius". Salted lays Joss Whedon. The best thing hes ever done is Buffy
@@warrencapes8286 Ah, if only, my cynical mate. If only.
even then, he got a ridiculous amount of help from his friends and other writers for the first Avengers script.
his two brothers zack and jed whedon and his own wife kai cole, along with his friend and usual ex co-worker drew goddard, maurissa tancharoen and even kevin feige himself all helped to make the script.
it's important to note that none of these people worked on Age of Ultron. zack and drew were both heavily busy during that time, and ultron came primarily from joss' own mind, even lacking the same guidelines that The Avengers did. and as for kai cole? well shortly after The Avengers they separated due to joss being just... the absolute worst husband.
now, that's not to say any of these people deserve credit over joss or on the same level. zack and kai's work in film often compliments other people's work, and not much else. goddard is probably the most likely figure in this trio who might be an actual key reason for differences between Avengers and Ultron. goddard has a more sincere, sensibility to him than whedon who is more concerned with making serious points out of self-awareness and self-parody in some cases. the fact that it just so happens that Avengers is more sincere than Ultron is not one that can be ruled out as being perhaps indicative of drew's tenure on the film. however, I would argue that it's more likely that a lot of that sincerity and character development, which had been sorely lacking in Ultron, was actually the result of the people who, uncredited, rewrote joss' script before and during filming and improved/fixed several elements of it.
@@ManSeekingMeaningI love age of Ultron I've watched it 4 times gets better on every rewatch it's a movie that still feels relevant And other wordly but still feels grounded And it has many good moments I think about
Funny thing is Age of Ultron is the movie I rewatch the most out of the Avengers movies and is the most Avengers one of them all: there is a fully formed team from start to finish, Avengers tower, quin jet, and arguably the best interactions between all the characters
So, I am not alone. Ultron is the best villain in the MCU because it's really possible in real life. Maybe possible in the distant future.
yeah i feel like the first one gets way too much credit. yes its the first time we see these characters interact, but aside from the final battle in NY, all they really did was just...stand around in the helicarrier for most of the movie. and i'd argue infinity war and endgame were more like 'everyone' movies than just avengers.
While I don't think it's the best Avengers movie, it's my favorite MCU movie besides Infinity War and Endgame. It was a huge upgrade from the first one (which I still love for many reasons, especially since it feels like a pilot episode of an animated series) but Age of Ultron seemed to have a lot more emotion, conflicts, and action.
It reminds me of a cartoon lol like they’re together the whole movie
I agree this movie has the Avengers as a team. The only better aspect than the other Avengers movies
Huge props to Downey for standing up for his fellow cast members in regards to pay. Some people would just say "not my problem" and be happy taking home more than their co-stars. You can see why people love working with him, he's loyal and someone you want on your side for sure.
When it comes to money
Which is the very reason it's a bit weird Terrence Howard goes with the narrative that Downey Jr didn't help him.
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 Have you seen him talk about his bs "science" discoveries? Dude is fully off his rocker, so I don't trust a word he says about RDJ. Could be legit, but how are we supposed to believe someone like Terrance Howard? lol
@RealEllenDeGeneres Howard said that Marvel couldn't insure Downey, so he had to step in. Total BS. Look up Downey's filmography. At least 10 films between 2003 & 2007, including Zodiac,Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Good Night and Good Luck. Some of his best work. He signed up for Tropic Thunder & The Soloist before Iron Man came out. Insurance isn't the reason why Marvel hesitated on Downey, it was sobriety. On the other hand, Howard was kicked off of a Broadway production of Cat On A Hot Tin Roof right about the same time he walked away from Marvel. He punched the piano player, who was also the director's brother, in the face. He's got issues.
@@RealEllenDeGeneres absolutely, what I'm saying is that RDJ took a stance against Marvel Entertainment so they don't screw over his co-leads, why wouldn't he do the same for someone who apparently was a big part of him getting Iron Man? Sketchy af.
I actually really liked Age of Ultron, I'm a big fan of James Spader though
@@armintamzarian8222 same, James Spader carried Age of Ultron honestly.
James spader is a perfect cast imo i loved him as Ultron
@@playerhater424 100% agree - he was pitch-perfect as the snarky scion of Stark
The interesting thing is how much Spader's voice as Ultron sounds like Whedon.
If they didn't mess up Ultrons design so much I think people would like it more
I've always felt that Natasha calling herself a "monster" was in reference to her previous life. She's a flat-out murderer, and on some level she felt that all the good she did wouldn't ever make up for that. The misjudgment came in how her dialogue was written, having the "monster" line come so close to her talking to Banner about the Black Widow "graduation" procedure.
Thank you! I have hated that interpretation of this scene. In no way is it about her being a “monster” because she is infertile.
This is a great point and the only good counter to the backlash I've seen in these comments. Her example is poorly placed in the moment, undermining her entire plight.
@@ItWasAShtShow glad that you agree, thanks.
@@langleymneely glad that you agree.
Yeah but it's so sloppy, you can't blame people for being frustrated by it. Intent is not as important as how it ended up. And how it ended up is exactly how people heard it, a weird misogynistic line. You can have all the good intentions in the world, but if your end product is crappy, then it's crappy. Unintentional misogyny is still misogyny
The farm scene and the conversation between Vision and Ultron are two of the best scenes in the entire MCU. I think that Joss Whedon's vision for the film should have been realized on screen.
the way you blend movie dialogues to your narration is just brilliant! storytelling genius
It speaks to the time and research he puts into it! 👏🏻
The biggest issue with AoU is that the “Age” lasts like 4 days.
This needed to be its own trilogy.
Lol so true, also the creative choice of making Ultron so talkative and quippy mainly to maybe show that he was Tony Starks shadow or his evil twin. Which is a waste given the trailer was so dark that it actually made you fear Ultron as a baddie. Then Ultron is making jokes, lame.
My personal theory is that the title is referring to what the Avengers are trying to stop from happening, not to the actual events of the movie. They're trying to prevent an age of Ultron.
They could've made age of Ultron after infinity war and endgame... Thanos is gone , ironman is gone and there's hardly any avenger left...
Hank creates Ultron to protect earth and it gets out of control...
Filler until Kang arrives from the future and helps them destroy Ultron....
Phase 4: The Age of Ultron.
Count me in!
Ultron deserved a two part film. Such a big villain deserved so much more imo.
The Black Widow/Hulk romance legit came out of nowhere
it was v joss whedon coded
It felt like a progression of the first film where she is afraid of him.
It was kind of hinted in the first movie when Bruce apologizes to her
Yeah it was kinda 🌈, but also when you have Ruffalo playing Hulk what can you expect 💀
Your mom legit came out of nowhere
I think a lot of people overlook the significance of this movie, and that it gave us our only true look at the ‘peak Avengers’.
It takes place prior to any big infighting, characters leaving for other places, and before any major deaths. It’s our Hero’s at their strongest point. Admittedly, it’s one of my favorite MCU movies, and imo it’s 2nd best to only Infinity War, as far as *Avengers* labeled movies.
"give us the cave. or we will take out the farm" YOUR VIDEOS ARE SO EXCITING BRO!
The fact marvel has a " creative committee " explains alot of the issues marvel n Disney had had with creating quality media at this point
They fired them right before Civil War. Phase 4 was the first phase without them. I think that’s why Fiege let the directors do their own thing.
The Marvel creative committee consisted of people who were part of Marvel Entertainment and served as an extended arm for the infamous Ike Perlmutter (former president of Marvel Entertainment/ToyBiz). While Marvel was in New York, Marvel Studios operated in Los Angeles so that left Mr Perlmutter to form a committee to keep tabs on what happens on the west coast. They had infamous clashes with Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios and these episodes of creative clashes have been somewhat documented in the book “MCU: The Reign of Marvel Studios” and “With Great Power” podcast from the WSJ. Usually, these clashes came to budget concerns as Perlmutter has always been described as pragmatic. But in 2015, Bob Iger separated Marvel Studios from the overall Marvel umbrella so that Kevin Feige reported straight to Disney instead of Perlmutter and Feige was eventually promoted to chief creative officer in 2019, which means to some capacity, he’s in charge of the entire Marvel brand. The creative committee hasn’t existed in a long time and AoU was its last movie they were involved in. This also explains why for a long time the Marvel Television shows (AoS, DD, AC, Punisher, JJ, LC, Defenders) felt so distant from the wider MCU canon wise. Because they were technically two separate production studios who weren’t in synchronized contact as the movies were being made. The TV shows were reacting to what was happening in the movie and not the other way around.
@@EvCMickelodeon Considering how messed up Phase 4 & 5, maybe they should build a new one? I understand giving creative decision on directors and writers. But without someone as counterpart, it became overbloated.
Sometime we need villains in management, because they can make us re-evaluate our own action. Just like Joker to Batman or Killmonger to Black Panther.
@@brodull1142No, the problem was that the autonomy to make their own choices was taken away when Bob Iger left Disney and Bob Chapek demanded that Marvel increase their output for Disney+. The problem with Phase 4&5 is the exact same as when the committee existed: a detached overseer making and forcing creative decisions on the studio for business reasons regardless of quality.
Most of Phase 3 was made without the committee which is probably why it is the strongest overall phase in the MCU.
We still haven't gotten to Antman, this is gonna go on forever. An eternal sh*tshow. Thanks for all the compilation of this series, now to rewatch like 10 times and then watch Antman later
Just wait until he gets to the DCEU. Every movie was a shitshow in its own way.
@@bluerobin7051That’s not true
I enjoyed the film. The characterization of Ultron was perfect and sympathetic. A Hal-9000 with Tony Stark’s personality that thought it was the hero. I found Ultron’s character more compelling than Thanos as an antagonist. Thanos was a threat from behind and unknowable, Ultron is a reflection of humanity’s cold calculating darker side. And most tragic of all, Ultron wasn’t programmed to understand human emotions and found it impossible to understand why he was in the wrong, something his brother, Vision seems to sympathize with. My biggest disappointment is that Ultron was killed off from the MCU too soon
Never thought of vision as being Ultrons brother 😅 but I guess you're actually right when I think it over!
Meh. Ultron might as well been Strucker, just in a robot suit. He's too human and his origin is rushed. Ultron should be like a neglected child, who grew into a sociopath, who doesn't grasp human emotions and sees humans as cattles ready for slaughter. When he opens his mouth, he doesn't open it to spout one-liners; he does so only to say something that will send chills down your spine. That's why I think it was a bad idea to give Ultron to Stark and why it was a bad idea to not have Hank and Jannete on the origianl team roaster.
Still peeves me to no end that Stark created Ultron in this universe and not Hank Pym.
But he wasn’t threating.
@@antona.8659 Agreed. He felt too human in a way that took away from his threat. Sometimes he has a decent line, but most of the time, the movie really wants you to remember his jokey bits more than the threat of him.
To this day I will never understand the "Black Widow said she was a monster because she couldn't have kids". I always took it as she was saying she was a monster because she was a assassin and had "so much red in her ledger". She was trying to make Bruce not feel so alone with all of the people he killed during Hulk rampages. Whenever I watch this movie I always pay attention to that scene and see it the same way.
I do think she is referring to herself as a monster because she can't have kids, but that is obviously a flaw in the character which sets about to give her depth, not some moral message that fans should "aspire" to. She thinks of herself as a monster from the beginning BECAUSE of her sterilization, which gives her the wiggle room to slide into the sadistic assassin role.. Now, at the time of that scene, she knows that the murders she committed were wrong, but she still thinks of herself as that same deformed abomination.
It's not a critique of women who are unable to have kids, it's a critique of the character that she thinks that way.
I agree with you. I don’t understand how people miss that. Not having the emotional tie of children was to make her a better killer/monster.
@@Nobody2989 thank you for breaking this down for the dumb$$ misogynist above. Your doing God's work🙏!
That's exactly what she means. Can't believe this video dredges up this nonsense again. Any excuse to crap on Whedon again.
@@digitalmonkeytools2925Then perhaps the part of her being unable to have children should have been cut from the script altogether and instead be left open to interpretation. Keep in mind that aside from her memory hallucination with Wanda, her only real arc is to be comfort for Bruce by helping him transform into/revert from the Hulk and became a damsel after Ultron kidnaps her. The fact she had more depth in the first Avengers movie during her confrontation with Loki really speaks volumes about the Perlmutter era of Marvel and his refusal to green-light a BW movie because it wouldn’t sell more toys.
“I recognize the council has made a decision but given that is a stupid ass decision, I’ve elected to ignore it.”
I think Joss is too harsh on the final product. However AOU is another example on how the inconsistency of marvel isn’t a recent thing. It’s just been more prominent with the whole quantity over quality issue the last few years.
This franchise didn't hit it's stride until phase 3. Phases 1 and 2 were always all over the place. Everything in 4 and 5 has just felt like it's 1 and 2 again.
Marvel isn't inconsistent, it's the 'fans' that reset every time something new comes out
We're not even at the last 5 years of how messy Marvel was behind the scenes, at this rate Ian will be doing this till he's fucking 90 too
IF I make more, I’ll probably stop at Civil War. The only real Sh*t Show after that was Secret Invasion and public opinion about superhero movies.
@@ItWasAShtShow i mean...blade...
@@simonjenkin Thats true... and Kang... ugh, till I'm 90...
@@ItWasAShtShowthe failures of the Disney Plus shows, the Fox acquisition, Sony & Marvel bickering about how to handle Spidey till Tom had to call Bob to confirm if Spiderman NWH was still happening under Marvel...
Till you're fucking 90 😂 but seriously, great work with every essay and podcast you, Clint & Rae do, I'm halfway done through your back catalogue while doing ride share jobs and it's so interesting understanding how bad film productions can be even for good or mediocore films, let alone bad ones
@@ItWasAShtShow Till you're 90!
i never see people talking about how much of a better looking film it is than the first Avengers.
They turned Ultron from Marvel's Skynet/Terminator into a goofy, cybernetic Pinocchio.
Ultron isn’t a character in his own right. He’s an algorithm based on the brainwaves of his creator. In the comics, that was Hank Pym; a notoriously misanthropic mad scientist who’s a knife-edge away from being a supervillain himself. MCU Ultron is actually very faithful, considering that Pym hasn’t been introduced yet and quipmaster Tony Stark had to create him instead.
My favorite trailer of all time was the first age of ultron teaser nothing has topped it
Quick fact check.
Age of ultron began filming early 2014 and was released in 2015 while Days of Future Past began filming in 2013 and was released in 2014. So there's a very miniscule chance that 20th century fox heard of, scripted and cast Pietro in Days of Future past a full year before Age of ultron even had a proper script laid out.
Also... In the Pentagon, it was supposed to be Juggernaut who breaks Erik from prison, but later was changed to quicksilver. Maybe Fox knew marvel was going to use Quicksilver in the AoU, then later decide "we can do a better version of Quicksilver"
Some fans of the comics were also a bit disappointed how Ultron was handled as he is among the strongest and longest lasting arch villains in the Marvel Universe.
So to have him be introduced and destroyed in one movie might have been something of a downer considering his wide ranging influence he had in the comics.
Us fans of the comics already got used to the MCU botching iconic villains when we saw Iron Man 3 and Thor 2. So not like it was a surprise to see MCU fumble Ultron.
And him being Tony’s creation just undermines Hank Pym’s history as the Ant-Man movie didn’t have any importance to Phase 2 in terms of plot.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios agreed, Hank’s relationship with Ultron was so much more deep and complex. Hank considered him his son while Stark considered him just a “thing”.
Personally, I would’ve released Ant-Man after Captain America: the Winter Soldier, so that Ant-Man & Hank would’ve been involved in Age Of Ultron. Since Hank hated the Stark Family in the first Ant-Man movie, I would’ve just had Ultron’s resentment towards Iron Man coming from him being Hank’s boy. Heck I would’ve changed Ultron’s origin in the MCU by having Stark discovered him, and try to activate him until the Scepter wakes Ultron up.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios
Or you could just make Hank Pym the main Ant-Man sense he is so much more interesting than Scott Lang anyway.
Was just rewatching the Theodore Rex vid and now we're getting the long awaited part 4 for the MCU!? This is so great.
hollup this video came out today how u watch it a day early?
@@jonjafri1427it came out already lil bro 😭
@@jonjafri1427 it was available to Patreon subs.
@@jonjafri1427, probably like Patreon early access orbsomething
@@jonjafri1427 I made the comment before it's premiere. Didn't watch it, commented solely based on hype for the premiere lol (just got done watching it)
This is pretty good timing as I rewatched Age of Ultron just last night
I can imagine another movie where Joss’s conception of Black Widow as haunted by her killer past, trying to fix another broken person, and learning she needs to fix herself first would have set her up to have her own movie.
In my opinion, Age of Ultron is the most underrated MCU movie. I’m very excited to see the breakdown you did on it.
Came here to say the same thing:-)
Yikes
Totally agree!!
I completely agree. Better than Endgame, in my opinion. Joss mentioned that Age of Ultron was heavily edited down. Would love to see an extended edition one day, but I doubt that ever happens.
@404TVfr"Most underrated" doesn't mean "best movie of the MCU that nobody says so", it just means it's the one that is the most written off for what it does have to offer. I'm not sure I'd agree with the statement of it being the most underrated (there are others I think are worth mentioning like IM3), but I do think it is pretty underrated. Messy as it is, there's a lot of things it does that are either very memorable or just fun IMO.
If I ever see Weadon in person I want to let him know that I acknowledge his hard work, he truly made a crucial and important film to the MCU and its Saga
great job as always
One thing i noticed re watching Buffy is that there is a S1 episode "I, Robot... You, Jane" which is basically the same plot as Age of Ultron - Willow releases a demon onto the internet and it builds itself a robot body
19:35 sure...if you forget everything she did as part of the Red Room and miss the nuance of her thinking that because up until joining the Avengers she's taken life but can't give it, so it's its own kind of existential crisis.
I'm not a fan of Joss, but I'm not a fan of this particular criticism of this scene either.
I worked on the 2nd Unit crew in South Africa
Yes Joss is a dick lol
For me, Arcane will always be the gold standard on how Corpo should interact with art.
Corpo did not enforce any creative restriction on the show runners. They simply were there to make sure about the quality of the product. After the first run, they pull the plug because the story was not it. And after some years, the gave the green light again.
But they were not micromanaging like in this video. They are not artists, they should shut the f up then about those matters. If the movie is not good, then say that this or that needs to change, but do not tell the artist how to change it. "This is confusing, I did not understand why we are doing this or that" is the criticism that is worthy, because if you know how to make the film better than the director, then be the frigging director yourself!
Embarrassing worldview.
Honestly, the most confusing part of AOU for me was always why the robot needed to move his lips to talk.
Pinocchio complex. Underneath the genocidal tendencies, he wants to be as human as possible.
I am willing to bet the reason "Age of Ultron" doesn't have as many Joss Whedon horror stories is because of Disney's influence and the fact that the MCU was more beloved, compared to the DCEU. So they had an easier time covering it up.
I agree, but he might’ve had PTSD from Ultron and went into the DCEU with an axe to grind? But honestly that’s no excuse… his behavior stemmed from Buffy.
All of this just sounds like a bunch of excuses and MCU glazing to defend what is clearly a man with a lot of problems. He didn’t react a certain way on DC Films because Marvel’s was some how “better” the guy pulled up with an ego and was threatening people’s careers and acting weird the whole time all in hopes to Direct future DCEU films and more specifically a Batgirl Film. If the dude had an ounce of integrity he wouldn’t have taken the project in the first place.
Respectfully almost everything about both comments are so off. I can respect Josh Whedon as a director two an extent but bro was horrible because he himself is just like that. He probably just hid it better especially when you consider what happened with n Buffy which was years prior to either films. Bro was just a dxck and I’m glad all the DCEU cast outed him for the weirdo he was.
I remember when this came out and everyone was talking about super hero fatigue lmao
Yep. And people would repeat the phrase for years and years despite these movies still making bank.
@@Finfection
People want a scapegoat for monetization, and Marvel has a few noticeable flaws that people take issue with.
I just wanna thank you for making these videos. I love looking at the behind-the-scenes perspective of my favorite films and why certain decisions were made.
The creation of Vision was the best thing about AOU 👍
i havent been this upset at a cliffhanger in a while because god damn was this video fantastic, and i need to see more. your channel is amazing! cant believe im only now finding it
I honestly really enjoy this movie. I liked this version of Quicksilver, Wanda and Natasha are my favorite female characters, Thor is actually serious and not a dumb funny idiot like in Love and Thunder and Ultron is simply one of my favorite Marvel villains. I may have removed the whole Natasha and Hulk romance but it was ok imo.
That was an awesome piece. You even added a little cliffhanger there…
Black Widow in this movie called herself a monster _because she was trained and brainwashed as an assassin for years_ and has _murdered so many people._ "Red in her ledger," remember? The ability to have children that they took from her is just a symbol and constant reminder of _all the murder._ It _really_ isn't hard to understand.
IMO, Age of Ultron improves upon the first movie in nearly every way. The cinematography, darker tone, team chemistry, charcater arcs, action, drama, higher stakes. Ultron was a menacing villain. I hope we see him return one day. Super underrated film.
Menacing?! Lol
I quite love Age of Ultron personally. But thats probably because unlike most MCU fans, I started at the end with Endgame and worked my way back.
Man I still will always love Age of Ultron. It’s sad though, cause despite what Whedon is now; I feel like his vision for the movie could have been so much better, even though I already love this movie so much.
Compared with MCU's recent movies, Age of Ultron looks like The Godfather.
Mentioning the Godfather next to Age of Ultron is a bit much
@@Starwarsfearsome Not if the mentioning is intended to show the quality gap between most of the new MCU movies produced nowdays and Age of Ultron. Back then, Age of Ultron and Thor: the Dark World were the worst MCU films ever made. Look how far down the MCU has gone since then.
@@miguelrosado6348
It hasn’t gone done THAT far. But I will point out that “Secret Invasion” was an AWFUL entry.
The Story and Ideas weren’t bad, BUT THEY just Didn’t Stack up to what came out before.
@@miguelrosado6348 You kinda forget how bland Thor Dark World was :P Yeah, we have kinda bad movies and series now, but at least they have their memorable moments. Dark World? Simply forgetable. I consider that trait to be much much worse. Even Love and Thunder at least had great Jane & Thor relationship montage, black & white fight scene with Gorr monsters and so on. It was really good when it was good and bad when it was bad.
@@janmaciejewski7273 Bland and forgettable is better than memorable from being crap.
Never liked Age of Ultron, after over a decade later and I still do not like this movie
I've always found myself trying to like this movie.
I LOVE THIS MOVIE. It's not perfect, but I had so much fun with it!
Can we not wait months for the next video please, I genuinely enjoy these information mini documentaries/video essays and hate having to wait so long for them
Sorry. They don’t pay the bills. But glad to know you’re enjoying them.
@@ItWasAShtShow I was not expecting a reply but I appreciate it. They’re so enjoyable to watch, Me & my brother binge watched all of them again this morning
I quite liked Age of Ultron, although it does have flaws and the quips are overwhelming. James Spader was particularly good.
I can't believe Black Panther and Captain America were introduced so late in the Avengers series. Joss Whedon was right to include Captain Marvel early on. It's sad that his toxic behaviour at work environment led to his not being part of Phase 3. Hope he find redemption soon.
It’s incredible watching them fight over the two scenes no one remembers arguably the only reason to watch the film is for the party scene which is way too short and just ends with the bad guy walking into the room to literally monologue
The after-party scene was wonderful and something desperately needed as you so rarely see the Avengers together during peace time.
Let’s gooo, my favourite youtube series is back
Dude you have to continue the series and talk about other movies! I've missed your videos
Man U absolutely kill it with these in depth breakdowns and looks behind the scenes. It’s not perfect, but I loved age of ultron! The first three phases were legendary! Great video man! 🔥🔥
it would be interesting to see a "wheden cut" maybe even part 1 part 2 or broken down into 5 episodes or something with a full long-form ultron arch storyline. (semi-ironically).
Given Joss's reputation nowadays it'll never happen, but this movie holds a special place in my heart, so I would love to see everything that didn't make it into the final film.
19:16 Ultron - an AI with the control of the entire Internet has the dumbest plan and the weakest ideas to kill humanity. That was the greatest uproar of viewers.
He didn't have control of the entire internet, Jarvis was locking him out so he couldn't access nuclear codes.
Ultron ended up being a pretty disappointing character, the first in a line of MCU villains that have ultimately failed to be coherent and genuinely frightened, i.e. Ronan, Gorr. Ultron makes 'that' AI assessment to eradicate humanity, but it's all one note from then on. No attempts to reason with him. No descent into AI madness.
The farm scenes elevate this film from a C to a B.
This channel is such a treasure
Nothing good ever came out of a 'committee'
Well done. And... yup... making epic, multi-character, super wild, EFX-heavy fantasy adventure films is simply no joke. It's hard enough to do a film with *ONE* superhero character (and one supervillain). But when you're stacking THREE AND THREE?! Or... six and six? TWELVE AND TWELVE?!? Are you crazy?! That's gonna be tough.
Aw just found this series today and I’m already caught up 😢 love the content
Watching this brought back memories, I remember hearing about the issues Whedon faced while making this.
Thank you for the nostalgia 😂
Thanks guys.... I do very much look forward to your show...!
Honest question for the team: do you think you’ll ever do a podcast episode after the full videos? I ask because I just re listened to your episode on Deadpool, and it was interesting to have you all react to the discourse of the comments section of the video. Maybe as a wrap up when all the videos are done? That way any of the facts and figures that weren’t used in the main video could be discussed? Just a thought:-)
On Patreon, we’ve done “podcast” reactions to a few of the videos, so Rae and Clint can discuss their thoughts on the stories.
Even though this movie was Easter egging and teasing a lot of future marvel stuff, at least they did it a bit more subtle compared how the DCAU was so in your face of teasing future stuff in their earlier movies (*cough cough* Batman V Superman)
Been watching this series since Covid 2020…coming off of the highs of the previous 3 phases and now the continuation and evolution of the MCU. It cannot be understated enough the weird bag of emotions watching this video.
Great video though as always…looking forward to the next 4 parts in the next 4 years when the MCU reaches 20. Insane. Years
Love these vids. Thanks for putting subtitles on em
Always!
movies don't get uploaded in 2015 , they Debut in theaters
It's called a play on words. Nice try though.
The idea that Black Widow thought she was a monster because she couldn't have kids always felt like a misinterpretation of the scene. It wasn't simply being sterile that made her feel like a monster; it's the fact that she was made sterile in order to make her a better killer. Her ability to create life was taken away from her so that she could take life more effectively. Her infertility served as a permanent reminder of the red in her ledger.
01:45 now THIS is how you acknowledge problematic people in your discussion of the work in which they were involved. Nicely done.
dude this series is such good content i watch these for movies i’ve never even seen love your channel
That Black widow scene with Bruce would have flushed out theyre relationship more
I still feel if you watch it with the idea that it was supposed to be a psycho thriller with some action, I can look over a lot of the misses and actually quite enjoy it.
I watched like four of your videos a year ago and completely forgot to subscribe. I was VERY happy that this video was recommended to me today so I can watch the rest of your stuff!!!!
Also I made sure to subscribe this time 😂
7:26 Royal Holloway is not only a real college, it just looks like that. They didn't change a thing.
RDJ was smart taking a small check and points when he filmed Iron Man 1.
Those points towards the box office really PAID OFF for him. No one can get mad at him for making a smart decision not knowing what the MCU would turn into after Iron Man 1.
He didn’t get points for Iron Man he got them for Avengers and Iron Man 3. That’s why Perlmutter was so angry, the guy whose career was resurrected was now calling the shots because they hadn’t secured a multi film contract.
@@langleymneely I know that, I wasn’t saying he got points for iron man 1. I know he signed a contract for the points going towards future films.. and im talking in the bigger spectrum of anyone that would hate RDJ for the deal he has..
@@OhCarlJr Ah gotcha! Apologies.🙏🏾
@@langleymneely no worries. 🤝🏾
Ah yes, the dreaded final boss any good piece of intellectual property must face during production: a fuckin corporate committee
Black Widow's line referred to the physical and mental stitching and restitching she endured in the Red Room. She's Nebula without the overt scars.
Black Widow calls herself a monster because she has killed so many people. ref the first movie when she mentioned having red in her ledger. "can you wipe out that much red?". it's not because she can't have children, she tells Banner that because he is afraid to have children, and that's not a risk with her.
I initially expected you guys to cover all the alien movies (whether video or podcast) in the order of their release alongside the new ones (Alien Romulus), but this video is still fantastic and incredibly well-made! I can't wait to you guys talk about Ant-Man next cause Edgar Wright leaving the project due to "differences in their vision of the film" is the worst decision they have (on the bright side, phase 3 is more creative and diverse and let director/writers have their own voice in each movies, for better or worse).
Quick question: Is Captain America the winter soldier being saved for another video, because I though winter soldier discuss along with Age of Ultron (I don't have Patreon)? And how many more of these (Making of MCU) can we expect?
Winter Soldier wasn’t a Sh*t Show. Hence the skip. But I’ll discuss other when I get to Civil War. IF I get there.
11:00 Was alway a stupid idea.
This movie has A LOT of great speeches and character moments. People really sleep on it, but it's my favorite Avengers movie to rewatch
I just can't get enough of those videos, it's so interesting !
Ultron as Whedon and Vision as the birth of the Russos is an interesting meta commentary on our current MCU
I see the TVA (Marvel Creative Committee), Anchor beings (Reynolds, Hugh, Snipes, Tobey, RDJ), Visionaries (Russos/Avengers, Coogler/BP, Gunn/Rocket, Jac/Wandavision, Beau/Xmen97, etc), and Watchers (Fans, Jeffrey Wright) as the new World Tree we all occupy
I'm excited for what's next
This is so well put together! How do you plan these?
Very carefully
@@ItWasAShtShow i can imagine - extracting a narrative out of chaos is quite a skill, well done
Age of Ultron is a messy movie but I always found it very entertaining and rewatchable.
Now we need Part 5
God, I can’t wait for you to catch up to the current era of the MCU. The shitshow that’s happening right now with abandoning the Kang storyline and pivoting to Doom is going to make for one hell of an episode!!
I love this series! Incredible content! Needs more background audio though
If you listen with headphones you can hear the background music better. But if I make it any louder, YT flags it.
@@ItWasAShtShow I’ll make sure I use my headphones from now on!
I personally think age of ultron has aged quite well. I enjoy watching it from time to time, a lot more rewatchable than most MCU movies IMO.
Whedon's words go perfectly with Ultron's mouth movements at @17:17, was that on purpose?
I believe it is 😂 it's supposed to be Whedon voicing his displeasures of Disney to publicly and Marvel aka Ironman shutting him up by blowing him up lol
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20:16 The weird thing is that even today, a time when there are tons of female Marvel heroes like Captain Marvel, Spider-Gwen, Ms. Marvel, ETC, Black Widow continues to get shafted.
I'd like to add that the film's cinematic release was somewhat controversial in Germany. Disney raised it's rental fee significantly threatening the livelihood of smaller cinemas and leading to higher ticket prices and lower revenue for the cinemas. More than 600 cinemas across the country boycotted the film.
While it's certainly not a perfect film and I'm not eager to defend Whedon, I honestly believe this is among the few MCU films with engaging dramatic potential.
I'd honestly argue that Cap and Tony are by far the most interesting here among all the other films.
Age of Ultron is criminally underrated. And by the time we were done with End Game, all the payoffs that came of it, made it that much better.
May have been a "cog" but it doesn't matter. It sets up so much and made End Game that much better.
I mean, its not bad, it's just not he movie that the trailer made it seem.
These videos are so great! I can't wait for next part
The problem I had when watching it was the constant wise-@ss lines that undermined every single scene.
Stark should have been terrified fighting an out of control Hulk, then only make a joke when he knew he had the upper hand.
Instead he treated the life or death situation like he was a low sub YT reaction channel
So true, never thought of that, it just felt so meh compared the first avengers movie scene where Hulk was after Black Widow, showing characters breaking out of their usual behavior is such a good way of making scenes feel significant. They did it with Thanos when he was stabbing Iron man, imagine if iron man said something funny like : "such a jerk, ruined my favorite shirt" . They still actually did that when thanos threw the moon, how the fuck does someone casually say : "if you throw another moon at me, and im gonna lose it". WHO fucking says at such a display of cosmic power, it worked out alright cause it was thanos and be did other shit besides that that had serious consequences, but it totally distracts you from the fact that a whole ass moon's surface was ripped apart and brought down from thousands of mile in space. Completely shatters the realism and gravity in those scenes.
And now marvel is drowning itself in the same mistake, not taking their movies and villains seriously.
@@yade1234 Yeah, if they established the fact that Stark only jokes when he's in control, otherwise he takes things deadly seriously. It would have added SO much more to the fight in Infinity War's thanos vs stark fight. they had so many movies to set it up!
They should have treated the Hulk like a nuke they could 'aim' at bad guys, but not control. like If they released the Hulk, good guys would get hurt, too.
Then when the Hulk goes crazy, its genuinely terrifying.
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I think marvel should give every major director who is interested, money to make their own multiverse version of characters. They could never connect. I just wanna see the Kevin Smith verse and the Quintin verse