DC's Biggest Secret: The POISON IVY Clone Theory Explained
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ค. 2024
- Poison Ivy was revealed to have been a plant clone during the "Justice League" cartoon on the DCAU timeline, but...how long had she been one? Well, we're gonna have to look at every square inch of Ivy info we can to figure it out.
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I know this probably isn't scheduled for the immediate future, but at some point I would like a Will It Canon on at least some of the video games.
@@nathanielvaughn6728 On the list!
Woohoo!
Hey, now that the Superpets movie its coming out, you guys should do a "Krypto the Superdog 2005 Will It Canon" in order to optimize engagement. If you think I´m stupid check out issue 5 of the comic tie-in 😅
Thank you SO much! You have no idea how much i've been looking foward to this video!!!
I want to think she is more like one of those snails that adopts the cells of plants to become a hybrid. And Ivy immune system doesn’t kill toxins, they just don’t effect her, her body adopted plant cells and toxins. So ivy is more and more plant life as time goes on, she can bud clones off or backups of her self. Both having human and plant cells.
Me throwing away all personal commitments and responsibilities to watch this video asap
Way to go man!
yo me too!
I watched 23 minutes of ad to pay deference to this video👍🏾
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I actually really love the redesign of Ivy, she looks even more attractive as there is something very otherwordly about the white skin and black lips, she looks much more gothic almost, with the blackened corset and opera length gloves with just a touch of green accents, they almost looks like leather as opposed to the initial design which in my opinion makes her more intense and thus, more alluring.
Ivey was one of the few characters who really benefited from the the redesign. Unlike Batman or (ugh) the Joker.
@@thedukeofchutney468Can understand the Joker, but why the grimmer, more serious Batman?
@@michaelandreipalon359 It just felt under designed and while I do appreciate simplicity losing things like the yellow around the Bat logo and making the belt brown are. Usually far less interesting, plus I really hate Bruce’s redesign. It’s just blank and boring, they also started writing Bruce pretty much the same as like they wrote Batman which also made the whole thing worse.
You guys have created a MYHTOS for this channel. You've absorbed so much of the DCAU, it was only a matter of time before you started telling stories yourselves; stories which are ACTUALLY super entertaining for the same reasons the Timmverse shows are. After watching you pay respect to the classics for years, it's awesome to see you guys go all out and try your hand it it yourselves.
All the running jokes and recurring grievances about continuity are all paying off at once, and it's epic. The basement joke had to come to a head eventually, and this was the perfect way to do it. It's brilliant; Mattie's been on the back foot this whole time, but now James is forced to go down to the basement and make a video, while Mattie sneaks up behind him with the upper hand! Quite the reversal! These two had better bury the hatched soon though, because the entire universe is at stake... Btw, Ted plays an amazing villain haha, genuinely threatening. Well done to all three of you, the acting is really good in this, it reels me right in. And of course, the special effects are out of this world; no glitches or rushed edits that take me out of it; it's just SUPER immersive all the way through!
When I saw that the next installment will be a Will It Canon on Batman and Harley Quinn, I freaked! That has been a LONG time coming. It's time to put the obvious to bed, in spectacular fashion!
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So you’re saying Mattie *checks comment* has the high ground now?
“What a day for surprises”
@@dcauwatchtower You're so welcome, I can't wait to see the next installment!
Ivy has multiple bodies. She thought she was using clones... But through the green she got the same soul. They said in Swamp Thing some Families and souls are singled out as Avatars.
wait, Expect multiple clones sharing a single soul?
I can't tell you how I jumped for joy at the "his DNA was easy enough to obtain" joke
Geez, Paul Storrie and I are really wet blankets about this stuff -- "It's all just mistakes!" Your explanations are much more fun!
Haha, thanks Tim! It all goes into the pot at the end of the day-the recipe we always want. :)
I think the clone thing could have been a good explanation of the change of the character in the New Batman adventures via her physical appearance. I think the clone story is a good way to end the original Poison Ivy tale and her previous presence in the original Batman adventures. I mean she was one of the few villains that escaped justice and Batman. That has to be an achievement in of itself.
Cannot express how excited and blessed I feel to see coverage on.a character I've requested and loved so such a long time! Thank you Watch Tower!
So glad we could finally make this video happen!
Here is my take. what if after Ivy was first shown to be able to make plant clones, every so often, she used a plant clone to do stuff in Gotham (perhaps to through people trying to investigate her maybe). but, sometime down the line, her already strange biology began to mutate into something not exactly human or plant, but both (kind of like a seed sprouting into a tree). maybe even during the explosion that made swampthing.... well... swampthing, Ivy was either making a new clone or experimenting on herself, but the explosion caused her to either fuse with a clone of herself and or rapidly mutate her biology (more then it was at that point at least) idk just a thought
These trailers are so professionally done. I can't wait to see what you've come up with! 😀
I always assume Ivy manipulated her DNA (as she hated humans and enjoyed plants more) to be more plant-like. And then there’s also a plant clone.
I had always expected to one day read a story line with Ivy being revealed to have been dying due to all the scientific experiments and turning to magic resulting in her contact and communication with The Green and why she has the power to control plants. Being similar to the Swamp Thing as both were botanist that loved plants to the point of rejecting humanity.
I like to think we have both been seeing and never seen the "real ivy" since the early episodes at the same time. If she can clone herself as a plant and phychokinetically control plants she has made, why wouldnt she Avatar? The physical body of the real Ivy is somewhere else. She can posesss her clones then allow a backup consiousness to autopilot. This explains the hazy memory inconsostancies as well. The clones will remember spillover from the real Ivy or other clones she has posessed. It would benefit for Ivy that her clones consious start off weaker since they are not natural humans but take more from her own mind as she posses them. Its essentially organic adaptive learning technology. The downside is this muddling of memories and personality.
One explanation is that Pamela Isley continued to experiment on herself to enhance her powers so that she could become more and more planned because of her hatred of humanity she wanted to show off and get rid of any human aspects of herself that she could so that she could be more and more mad in doing so she did produce various clones maybe I'm trying to truly transfer her consciousness and maybe even achieve a level of immortality by creating a clone that would be seemingly impervious to age or would have such a slow or long life cycle that it mirrors something like a tree that can grow for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years as long as it's not cut down
If the original Pamela could make plant clones, why couldn't the clone of her ALSO make plant clones? And so on and on?
yes
Because hybridized plants often can't reproduce on their own 😂 actually a bit of information I picked up from gardening with my mom as a kid. Hybrid blackberries and strawberries are always the result of two other plants being hybridized together, but that's not a lineage that can reproduce itself.
Whether she's Green skinned, Caucasian, Grey, a clone or even a Plant Creature...Ivy has sown a seed into my heart! ❤ I do feel her motivation changes from time to time but in the end, she feels a kinship with plants and would welcome any man or woman into her garden...so long as its by her terms! ❤ I personally wouldn't mind being a happy papa to the pod-lings! ( I'm sure this would show Pamela that's there's hope for some humanity...SwampThing clearly fits that bill!)
When This storyline finaly ends, im gonna need a Watchtower Database timeline video on the lore of The Watchtower Database, honstly think that would be a cool video, and very interesting.
This whole thing was incredible! This channel is so underrated!
Thank you!
Can't both Ivys be running around? it could explain the inconsistency in powers and appearances, further either or both could be dosing themselves with different formulas to change up their powers, this could help explain the appearance changes as well?
Tbf, even without the comic tnba ivy being a plant copy has been on my mind since the clone thing in btas.
Personally though, i see it as more a doombot scenario. Ivy's just hanging out, shooting the sheets with Harley? That's real her. Fighting Batman in a scenario she can get caught or die? Eh, clone can handle that.
As for the skin, I imagine it's a mix of things. I think she has been experimenting on herself, but it could also be the pale/green is easier for the clones to maintain, so she's altered herself deliberately to obfuscate things even more. Og skin tone clones had that monster degeneration remember.
Got written up at my office job for not making a deadline to watch this video.
100% worth it.
I'm hoping for a viedo on the werid proto justice leauge dcau marketing push.
It’ll happen! I’ve been doing some research and collecting materials!
Oh my gosh I love what your doing with your story and the years of building this up is so good
I personally think it was a clone the entire time and the only time it wasn’t was that last time we saw her in Pretty Poison.
Maybe gray is her winter skin tone and green is her version of a tan in the sunny months.
I can’t believe you didn’t mention the time where she almost smothered Batman and robin in those vines, the ones with the really sharp thorns.
I’ve always wondered what happened to poison ivy after the animated series
Yeah and I wonder the same about Penguin, Mad Hatter and Killer Croc
@@srstriker6420 I know Harvey moved to LA to a law firm I would assume unfortunately penguin was probably killed in a takeover of his territory in 2019 or a bit after
@@srstriker6420I believe there’s a comic with Croc on the suicide squad, so there’s that. Probably not canon tho, like most of these DCAU comics
The amount of work and time you put into these videos is not unnoticed. I’ve been in love with bmtas since I was a kid and these videos are awesome! Thanks for these vids so good
Thank you so much!
The meta-narrative with your reviews and speculation videos is really fun
Thank you! That is always lovely to hear. 😁
This is incredible and is entirely being slept on.
Well I just like to say having just watched this. It was absolutely brilliant. Informative, funny and very professionally put togeter. I enjoyed every minute. Looking forward to the conclusion.🙂💛
Dope video. Been a fan of those since 2016. Keep up the good work 👍
I really appreciate the cinematic lighting and color grading utilized on this, it really helps the whole thing feel that much more epic.
The first one was great and I’m very much looking forward to this one!
I’m so excited! Also, happy birthday Mattie!
It's Mattie's birthday?
Been loving these videos James love all y'all's work on the channel can't wait to see what comes after this story is over
I Just want to say I love you, your channel, and your videos!!
Perhaps Ivy's skin tone changes with the seasons, like the leaves change, or like plants only bloom or bare fruit in the correct season. Maybe she just gets exotically colored sun-tan, with it being entirely connected to how much sun she's gotten lately. Hydrangeas grow into different colors based on soil acidity and aluminum ions, apparently, so maybe her color is based on the foods she's been eating lately.
18:45 This was even freakier than when she turned people into trees in Eternal Youth.
And that sure is saying something. Can't believe that episode got past a lot of censorship monitoring.
This was rather entertaining, I had forgotten a bit about Ivy's backstory so this was a decent refresher.
16:35 Joker just chillin😂
I always took her evolution as a character to be that she was intentionally becoming more plant than person, possibly even grafting bits of DNA onto herself, and that the clones were just extensions of the original, trimmings that grew into full beings. Heck, the original in the end may have been no different from the copies. But it's a really interesting puzzle to think on.
I’m surprised Ivy & Ras Al Ghul never teamed up. It seems like their goals would line up
Paul Dini had plans to do so, but never got around to it for the show.
@@dcauwatchtower too bad, would be a great team up. Maybe she was involved in the near-Apocalypse of ‘09
I think the green isn't supposed to be a true green but like a green flesh tone if she was real. The darker green being a noticeable green if she was real and the pale being a lack of sunlight from living in Gotham and being in the lab. So her skin tone changing in the same issue could be lighting based. My wife and kids are Italian and have an olive tone but sometimes it looks straight pale or tan depending on the lighting. I think the same could be applied here until the clone breaks down enough to be full plant.
So I imagine if you saw her you wouldn't think much of it. But on closer look you may notice a slightly green hue to the skin. Again until it starts to break down and go full plant.
In TNBA I just think she's very pale. Then she goes all green.
The seeds have been planted the question is when and who’s harvesting.
Nice puns
Extremely excited for the premier!
Hope you enjoy this one! It was a ton of fun to work on!
Theme -wise I think Ivy left the show on the plane and quits the villainy but creates plant clones of herself so Batman wouldn't search for her. Ivy doesn't really progress or hold much depth after that episode, so you're not hurting the original Ivy.
Wouldn't be surprised that when she was in prison for the first time after exhibiting the Poison Ivy powers was when the duplicates started.
this was one of my favourite vids by ye, very enjoyable to watch
In a way, you could easily reconcile it perfectly: Pamela Isley started as a human immune to poisons and toxins. She gets defeated by Batman a few times and decides to make a clean start, but knows that Batman wouldn't let her go that easily, so she eventually makes a clone to live a fake life while she gets away. During this time, she slowly warms to the idea of becoming less human and more plant in a more literal sense and after she learns of the Green, she probably accelerates her various experiments and clones to see what sort of powers she can infuse into them as they would be the testbed for her own body, whereupon her changes in appearance are her picking out a look she prefers over her more "mundane human" appearance. Eventually, she hits a point where she can always be free, but also have a connection to Harley through her clone body using the Green, essentially giving her infinite lives. She technically is and ISN'T the clone because the two are basically part of a hive mind that is now Pamela.
That video rocked.
I love your attempts at cinematography. Creativity rulz
Attempts?! 😜 jk Thank you!
@@dcauwatchtower oof yeah. Probably poor choice of words on my part. I didnt mean it like that. I just appreciate the effort in trying these cool camera angles and effects.
Also I edited to comment because I notice I wrote live instead of love and now the little heart disappeared.
Lesson learned I guess :'(
The new 52 run with her and Swamp Thing was actually pretty good.
At this point I'll just keep it with Ivy was meta from birth but ended up in the same circumstances as Swamp Thing. They overall have the same power set. Yet Swamp Thing was simply more connected to The Green, while Ivy being radically skilled with poison/plant creations. Wasn't really connected to The Green until more recently. Personally, her being connected to said Green mellowed her out a lot since she really haven't done anything extreme like her early years.
Going off that yeah she can change skill color at will the funny thing is they can make her honestly look like anybody. Since Swamp Thing was able to form himself out of processed tobacco that one time with Constantine. Ivy really doesn't need to commit crimes directly. She could simply make an army of human plant hybrids. Eventhough that'll ping every damn magic user, Swamp Thing included to her plans.
I just have one question, though. Did doing timeline videos give Mattie time travel powers or were they born with them?
We haven’t explored that! (Yet…?)
I've been looking forward to this one!
I personally think every Ivy appearance was herself and not a clone besides the times it was shown that it was a clone.
Mainly because I think it would have been addressed in her on screen appearances, and also because I doubt Ivy would just leave a clone of herself with Harley. Also because it would be ridiculous to send a clone to prison or lobotomize one.
The real Ivy states the clone was specifically created to keep Harley company. And they wouldn’t know they were imprisoning a clone if they didn’t know she was a clone ✌️
@@dcauwatchtower I mean that would be really a sucky way of keeping Harley company, not a good friend.
It's like that one Boruto scene where Naruto sent a shadow clone to give his daughter a birthday cake and then it puffs out of existence (I know weird comparison). XD
Whether it's a sucky thing to do or not it doesn't really change the fact that it was a clone. And for your last point no one would know she's a clone so why would they treat her as such. Your reasoning is terrible but you're welcome to your interpretation.
@@dcauwatchtower Or what if her soul is in the green and what we see are her clones?
Yesss! I’ve been waiting for this one for a long time
I'm practically wetting myself from excitement! This is going to be great!
Realized I missed and vid and finally got to catch back up on the last half of this. Pretty fun. Good Job Guys
The Pamela that came in after the clone dies is just so human looking, even more so than the times the TNBA was colored differently. It just for sure seems like she's been a clone since her last BTAS episode
“Good ol’ John Glover. That guy voiced the Riddler.”
THAT WAS LIONEL LUTHOR?! He voiced him?!
Let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Also, happy birthday Mattie!
I assumed Ivy experimented on her self & that's what gave the animated ivy the extra plant powers & starting the evolution.
When the fans take more time to connect the dots than the creators did when writing most of it. And then I spend 50 minutes watching it. And there's one more, and the we go onto a new era?! Lordy, what have we done to deserve you people?
Big thing in Home and Garden is how many cycles of spares there are. This keeps assuming Dr Isley didn't make additional clones. Possibly even ones rooted to each other. Later realizing it wasn't as needed directly through the green thanks to the things one clone learns from Swamp Thing. Green skin clone might just be she got tired of maintaining the skin suit so easily torn off of the perfected spouse generation. I really like avoiding such a trap as assuming such an innovation as these clones would be a singular event.
Well, that was epic! Honestly, Hollywood needs to hire you guys, pronto.
So, I guess that Poison Ivy is the Bulbasaur of the DCAU - part plant, part animal.
BULBA BULBA!
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 oh, I didn't realise you were fluent in Bulbasaur. Nice!
If we were to get Poison Ivy in the DCEU who would your fancasting choices be? My fancast would be Ludella Hahn (she's an actress/model).
Okay ya horny bastard. Really misleading just calling her an actress/model when she's a fetish artist. Not saying anything is wrong with that but boy does it feel like you're burying the lead on this one.
ok i think ivy being a meta is the reason she starts to change color and thats why sometimes her hue flickers between human and unnatural before staying grey than green but that the bright green ivys are clones but not always
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It sounds like at one point she was a descendent of the fae from European folklore. Because her initial abilities and appearance are similar to a watered down version of the children/people of the forest.
Maybe she was the descendent of a changeling that made it to adulthood and had a child with a human hybridization side effects do include possible sterility. The further increased connection to “the green” could be result of her genetic heritage becoming more active as a defense mechanism due to the life-threatening events being botany related.
After all a lot of her main appearances, take themes right out of old folk tales that involving deals with the fae.
Loose ends are tying, and everything is set for the final showdown
this trailer got me hyped as hell, lets goooo!!!!
I'd go by the batman factor.
Batman could get had once, but he isn't gonna get tricked again.
He'd pull his punches with the real ivy, and toast any copy, he has no problem killing plant people at any other time.
So i gotta assume Ivy pulled it once, Batman caught on and she couldn't effectively pull it again, but learnt from her clone and changed her DNA.
I like it
The real question is… if the Creators confirmed that New Adventures is indeed Pamela… What Motivated her to come back to Gotham?
True, the Holiday Knights was just for Fun animating the Comic… but lately her motivation changed from Plant Preservation to petty crimes
Using and Abusing her “Babies” even whoring them out to the rich?
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This was solid! great job guys! James, where can I find that Tnba Villains t shirt???
Hot Topic around 2016 ;)
Okay but that production value though
WDB really pulled out all the stops for this one 👌
Just wait ‘til the finale…
How does this not have more views!!!
In my opinion, the returning Ivy in the Lock-Up episode was the clone. The real one never returned and turned over a new leaf. She sent the clone so Harley wouldn't be alone. Ever since her " return ", she has been de-volving untill she reverted back to her true " Poison Ivy Goon " ( Ivy's plant people name from the Lego Batman video game )form.
I'd be fine with Ivy in TNBA being a clone if she didn't die.
This new Ivy is her own person, and she made friendships and developed as a character separate from original Ivy. To kill her off and then have everyone she loved not know or care about it feels disrespectful.
*Lillie reads Pamela’s notes and makes herself an emergency Ivy plant body*
Why do you think my name is Warm, I’m green like the earth… Blooming Evil. XD
Don’t worry we share a mind, chollotephathy allow me to puppet this empty vessel. *Lillie drink a plant smoothie*
Incase anything bad happens to me, my flesh and bone will become temporary green.
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( I can’t lie, I recently hit a similar thing just a few months ago when doing own thing. I forget thing or mistakes.
I finally decided whatever happens happens and I can always fill in the gaps and what makes even fun.
If anything these gaps create actual continuity.
honestly this plant clone parade would give story hooks like Kang the conqueror with several variants of him
I would highlight the fact that if the real PI could creat false memories in the PI clone, than it has to have some shhort of a brain or something, so theoreticly you can ..... Lobotomise? her....
House & Garden was actually a terrifying, if not THE MOST terrifying episode in the entire series.
And actually The Green is something else entirely. The Green is from Swamp Thing. It's basically "The Dimension of Plants/Home of Plant Elementals". It basically connects all plant life throughout the multiverse together. And being a living Avatar of The Green, Swamp Thing is an extremely powerful. multi-dimensional being.
This is great. The production awesome lol, it's probably my favorite part(plus of course, it's nice seeing the info all put together!)
You guys deserve a raise haha
Awesome video!
I think The Ivy we see in The Batman and Harley Quinn Movie is The Real Ivy not a plant clone! love your guys theory.
This channel is AMAZING ❤️❤️❤️❤️
how manny times did ivy step out of retirement? operate independently from her plant clone.
He's building a team.... he wants to keep it small.
irony is when the opposite of what you expect to happen, happens. Poison Ivy claims "No man can take us prisoner." And I IMMEDIATELY assumed she'd be busted by a woman. If she'd been busted by an effin PLANT, it would have been ironic. Remember, firetruck on fire; coincidence. Fireman setting fires; irony.
It's an irony in-universe.
What happened was ironic inside, but not for most viewers.
Cloning is a pretty interesting thing to play with with Ivy, as many plants reproduced by cloning. All of our bananas and apples come from plants that have been cloned for more than a hundred years.
Man when that clone dies in front of Batman. Ivy on that plane like GOT EM!!
So close...but so far
Poison Ivy (Herbivore) vs Poison Ivy (Carnivore) would be pretty interesting though.
"Paul Storrie" is just about the best name a writer could possibly have
3 SUGGESTIONS ABOUT POISON-IVY & IDEAS TO INTRO. A MALE CLONE IN A NEW (BATMAN BEYOND) SERIES:
I would like to see two things happen in new (BATMAN) cartoon shows; The first is actually show the Origin of Poison-Ivy, and the 2nd. is show a few clones of her.
I also suggest maybe even introduce a few experiments of Poison-Ivy’s, of her trying to figure out a way to make hybrid plant-people.
To add I think it would be great if Poison-Ivy’s greatly perfected making a plant-person, I imagine that hybrid plant-person is a male clone of herself.
In addition I think it would be great to have him appear in a few episodes of a new version of (BATMAN BEYOND) cartoon show series.
I imagine that the male clone was given a name, I imagine his name is (Peter Andrew Green) & I imagine that over the many years of his existence, he figures out all the things that his mother was not able to figure out in her life.
And one of them is that PETER manages to figure out is a way of making more than one great hybrid plant-person.
Plus to add I imagine that PETER decides to work on a way, to bring the rest of them all to life on a uninhabited planet, and then later have that planet become the hybrid plant-people’s home world.
Thanks!
Thank YOU!