@@poem5677a lot of it was really good though. But completely rebooting wasn’t necessary. Good thing most of the post-crisis continuity is in canon now.
I really like how Mr Freeze and Batman parallel each other as men frozen at a moment in time, the loss of Nora and the death of the Waynes, but Freeze is literally frozen in the moment, unable to move beyond it, always desperately search for a way to free Nora, while Bats is slowly but surely moving forward beyond that moment in the alleyway (of course never entirely, but still).
There’s a big reason why I don’t like stories that emphasize Victor’s obsession with Nora. And that is that it takes away the humanity that made his story “Heart of Ice” so memorable. Making their relationship a toxic one driven by a man who feared losing control is not as heartbreaking as a healthy one threatened by illness.
It also feeds into the Spider-man feeling. Freeze has genuinely a good person who just wants to be happy, but no matter what he does or how he does it, life will find a way to take everything away from him. Him being a good person makes it more relatable and tragic, he never did anything wrong to deserve the hand he was dealt, but that's just life.
I feel like an unhealthy obsession and a controlling nature is fundamentally necessary to make Victor Fries into Mr Freeze. Granted, I don't think his relationship with Nora should be toxic, but a relationship that's got a lot of foundation to be perfectly healthy if he had the opportunity to grow as a person rather than be backed into the corner that would turn him into Mr Freeze. Just someone who'd be in a much better place in his relationship if he could learn to loosen his grip and better let Nora be her own person outside of him.
@@Bush-Warrior actually I feel the opposite. The tragedy is further heightened because he lost the woman he loves and was mutated forever. It shows that anyone, even people in functional relationships, can be pushed into the same position he is. As the Joker puts it: It just takes one bad day.
I like they pulled a fast one on that plot in Harley Quinn show. She decides to unfreeze Nora thinking he is abusive only to learn they actually loved each other and she consented to being frozen
This Is Why I Love Mr Freeze In Batman's Rogues Gallery, He's Not Some Guy Who Wants To Take Over The World, He Just Wanted To Find A Cure For His Wife Nora.❄️
Mr. Freeze is one of those characters that I think less is more and where the status quo of being a recurring Batman villain kind of screws him over. Use him to many times and the reason he is doing crime “for Nora” it starts to seem like an excuse. Use him sparingly and like in the Arkham Knight DLC show us that he can change and he’s one of Batman’s best villains.
@@benjaminmooday9537 - Indeed... a good example of that is the show *Gotham* , in which the first mini-arc that covers Mr Freeze's origin story in season 2 was fantastic, with Nathan Darrow & Kristen Hager doing great as Victor & Nora Fries... But then Nora dies, Victor tries to get himself banned from the big game, but Hugo Strange brings him back to life & gives him a freezing power suit so he can be used as an elite mook by the various Big Bads... I'm glad that he was kept around since he was a kickass Mr Freeze, but sadly it did show that this character can be a bit limited if Nora is taken out of the equation... ... in DC's main universe, I remember that Nora Fries was recruited by Grifter to join the WildC.A.T.s and HALO alongside various other DC villains. But I haven't seen her around much, I should read more recent DC stuff that isn't just about the Batfamily
Mr Freeze has always been one of my favourite Batman villains, simply because he is not a villain but a victim. While yes, you can say many of Batman's villains are victims of abuse, injustice, and greed, I feel Freeze doesn't want to hurt people, but nevertheless, he is forced to hurt those who get in his way all because of the unfortunate circumstances and cards he's been dealt with. I think Freeze is far more likely to reform than other villains, and I always appreciate how Batman always tries to help him, offering him a chance to save his wife and receiving Victor's help as a debt of gratitude. My favourite ending for Mr Freeze is in the Arkham Knight DLC Seasons of Infamy, where Nora is taken out of her chamber and gets to see what Victor has become and how much he's destroyed himself all for her. Hence, she begs Victor to stop what he's doing and live their final days together with each other, which, in my opinion, was such a beautiful and satisfying ending to Victor's arc in the Arkham games and my favourite ending to the character.
I also like how they handle him in City. After to fight him and beat him, he asks you to find his wife (Joker taking her is why Freeze even fought Batman to begin with). When you actually find her, he is genuinely thankful and neither him or Bruce fight again in the Arkham games (he is actually kinda chill when you see him in Knight).
Ngl, I wish Freeze's history in the DCAU would have ended in the magnificent movie "Sub-Zero". He coming back to crime in TNBA just because Nora remade her life was completely stupid and out-of-character, as he would have gladly let her have a happy life with another man. That said, Batman Beyond at least gave us an emotional farewell
100% agree. It irked me so much they had this beautiful sendoff where Nora lives and he can finally just retire happy knowing he succeeded. It gave the idea of hope and accomplishment some people can truly change. But then DC got greedy and ruined it so they could just stick him in more episodes
Okay as soon as you said that Batman sympathizes with the villains because they all had a bad day just like him when his parents were murdered right in front of him as a kid. They had just different ways ,the villains of internalizing those problems. I never thought of it that way in my entire life. That made me speechless and blew my mind.
That's why Batman has one of the most solid rouge's galleries in comics despite most of his villains being street level. All of his enemies are just reflections of himself in some way
And on the other side of the coin, you have the Robins who also have similar fates but unlike the villains Batman couldn’t get to in time (including Bruce), the kids have Batman to guide them.
Girl 1#: "He didn't cry with Titanic. Can you believe it?" Girl 2#: "Do men even have feelings?!" Freeze: "I can only beg your forgiveness, and pray you hear me somehow, someplace... someplace where a warm hand waits for mine." Men: 😢
@@tariqshort4025 this funny, mainly because you are just wrong. Feminist are usually in favor of men showing emotions, because the whole "men should always be manly" is just so damaging, especially for boys growing up. This is feminism 101, patriarchy is bad for everyone, because it perpetuates harmfull expectations.
Honestly i always hope mr freeze would save his wife i always root for mr freeze when he decided to let Nora live in batman arkham knight it made me tear up a bit
What's somewhat baffling Is that In the DC universe, there's a great deal of characters who could easily cure both Nora and Victor. Like Zatana. She can say something like "WON SEIRF ARON/ROTCIV ERUC!". Or Booster Gold bringing medicine from his future. This pretty much makes so Mr. Freeze's tragedy mostly only works In Batman-only media.
Many of batman's villains have been humanized like croc, two-face (the dark knight returns) and even catwoman becomes his wife though they morally disagree. This is why most love batman and his villains more than an unrelatable alien warmongers
Ngl, it's pretty cool the origin that stablishes thwt Freeze had since his childhood a sick obession with ice that could only be controlled by his love for Nora. However, destiny would hit him in the most poeticaloy cruel way possible, being now forced to use the thing it tries to destroy him in order to save her
Remember: Mr. Freeze started out as a loser villain; even his name was different as he initially was called "Mr. Zero" with a lack of development. It was until the excellent portrayal of the character in Batman TAS where Freeze was fleshed out and made into a better villain. So you can thanks Bruce Timm and Paul Dini for improving a character that would be an obscure Batman villain right now whom no one would give a dime if it wasn't by their ingenuity.
@@jordanloux3883Yes. Thanks for giving that detail, dude. And you are actually right; the Batman show of the 60s actually gave some glimpses of the future Mr. Freeze, especifically his tragic backstory and his inability to have a normal life due to his accident.
Mr. Freeze is a very sad sympathetic character. He does everything in his power to find a cure for his wife disease. He has a heart made of ICE than blood. Batman always finds a way to be there for his villains despite all the bad things they done he feels a connection to his villains cos he knows what it’s like to be in pain and dead inside. ❤🖤
Someone put it well that in Heart of Ice, Freeze was the antagonist, and Boyle was the real villain. Antagonist doesn't equate to villain/unlikable and I liked thst someone properly identified Freeze and Boyle that way.
13:38 I vaguely remember the spin off comic but what I remember is the Batman Beyond episode that was the sequel to that titled “Meltdown” which was just as depressing.
I can sympathize with freeze since i lost my wife to a horrible disease wishing that one day to find a cured it just to hold her in our arms once again he might be a fictional character still can relate in some ways or another
I don't know how they got him so wrong in n52 honestly. He went from a man who nearly lost his wife and his will to live to a creepy ass stalker. OG Freeze will always be the best one.
Actually the whole 'is Nora alive or dead' thing goes as far back at Heart of Ice itself. Dini and Timm intended Nora to be dead the entire time but the suits preferred her be alive. THat's why in the BTAS comics they keep saying she died between episodes.
The Animated Series had the best version of Mr. Freeze hands down. Not a overbearing control freak, just a husband doing everything he can for the one person he loves
I like these kinds of stories. Yknow the kind where you aren’t screaming at Batman to just kill them already and be done with it. A story that makes Batman’s moral code much more believable.
He is a heart wrenching character. And I admit, the New 52 rendition didn't do him justice. But on a lighter note it would be funny if Freeze were a major Arnold Schwarzenegger fan. He walks into his quarters. His goons think he's off to plot another scheme, but he turns to them and say: "No! There's an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie marathon and I never miss the chance to see Arnie in action!"
The same reason Bruce Wayne can never get over the death of his parents. Because writers fear that if you take away the trauma, you have nothing left, so they're stuck being static.
Honestly I like to think that if Bruce’s company never said no to Mr. freeze project it’s highly possible that he would never become the villain we all know him as and instead would be a well respected employee that changed the medical industry with his cryo-technology under the Wayne industries.🐱
The two stories that do freeze the dirtiest is the comic where he saves Nora and she injects him with a formula that nearly kills him leaving him behind. The second is the Harley Quinn show where sacrificed himself to save Nora (in a stupid move where Freeze and Batman couldn’t save her after years but Ivy somehow did) and she then becomes a whore and party girl. It’s both insulting to his lifetime of sacrifice and even to the fans.
i never understand how people resonate or connect with a specific character until i heard of Mr. Freeze. The way he dreads to see death of someone or something beautiful or precious, the same type of fear i felt, the end of something always kept me away from enjoying stories fearing the end, the death or the discontinuation of it. In a way it selfish not wanting the end of something even if it not your own.
Of course the BTAS version does it the best -- they invented this version of the character. Every story to come after that has tried to change details or just did the same story worse.
Mr. Freeze embodies the saying "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" and is on of the highest examples of a good tragic villian especially in the 90s animated series
With all the minds of the justice league they could cure his wife with barely a thought. Hell, Batman could do it in a knight(heh). Fries would probably serve all of his time if she got fixed
I've kind of wanted a Suicide Squad story setup with him as the only big name in it, 'trusted' by Waller because she has his heart in her hands and is offering him the only thing he wants. Make sure no one else on the squad knows his history and you could get some really great drama around how heartless he seems.
I love the batman the animated series. The way batman is portrayed and his villains. This version of Freeze is my absolute favorite, and I loved seeing him again in batman beyond. His ending hit hard though.
Waylon is sadder imo. Victor is just controlling and unable to accept reality. Clayface did get him tho and that was messed up but otherwise not a sad story imo.
Mr Freeze is easily one of my favorite villains in Batman's rogues gallery because I feel like he's one of the few among them who actually has a shot at setting his record straight. Unlike just about every single one of the Bat's rogues, Freeze is less insane than he is just incredibly desperate. It's probably why I find him to be the most sympathetic and relatable of Batman's rogues. His situation and his motivations are just so real, to the point where I'm sure that most of us would turn out somewhat like Freeze if we were in his shoes.
I was crying practically the whole video. With that being said, I am going to leave a like now and i will be tewatching it like ten times in the next few days.. and I will most likely cry every time lol
That's some Romeo and Juliet levels of tragic. To be given hope after years in a cell, only to find out that the Nora that visited him was just Clayman using him. All the while Nora actually did receive the letter and was on the way to see him but it was too late.
I know this is more of a Freeze video, but you hit the nail on the head with Batman. Actually having him feel for his villains and believe they can overcome their tragedies like he himself tries to do by being the Dark Knight, he's a much *cooler* character. I will see myself out, great vid as usual Mullet Man.
I actually like the twist with Victor in the new 52 because it is a cool change of pace. The original story has been done thousands of times. It's one of the reasons why I did like Victor in the Batman cartoon
Mr Freeze is never the real monster, it is instead the people who inflict Frieze with the scars he has, never letting him live the life he wants, while simultaneously, crushing the chance for him to get what he will lose, from Ferris, to his father, the monsters that haunt Freeze, are the scars he has from them
The Batman: TAS comics are actually pretty fucked up sometimes, like, unjustly so. They needlessly ruin Fries’s life and did the same sort of thing to Harvey; making him think Bruce took his wife from him thanks to an act by Joker and Harley without ever learning the truth, or before Harvey could cross a point in his rage that his wife would never wanna see his face again.
The most magical aspect of Marvel/DC is their ability to create such deep and compelling stories with characters that could have originated from a child's after school drawings of a bat shaped guy fighting an evil freezer.
Hey, I stumbled upon this channel by sheer happenstance a few days ago and it's quickly becoming one of my favorite comic channels! Keep up the good work!
I think cold cold heart is amazing as well with Freeze in anger trying to help nora especially the line's where he's begging for help on the ground from boyle to help nora. its so striking
I love your content my guy. Your delivery is wonderful too, you keep the warm nostalgia of genuine comic storytelling alive in your niche here on youtube. This one moved me, and I'll admit I shed a few tears. Thank you for sharing these stories
I really love the depictions where Victor and Nora had a healthy relationship, but because Nora was the only person who showed Victor kindness, he was terrified of the possibility of her dying, leaving him alone. Again. As he had been his whole life, until she came in.
Arkham Knight is the only conclusion to the charactee i will ever accept. For Mr Freeze to love his wife THAT much and go to these insane lengths to save her, i expected her to be something extremely special. I hated how in other continuties she moves on, cheats on him, or is horrified of him. In Arkham knight when shes unfrozen she is saddened by what her husband has become and talks him out of being Mr Freeze. It ends with him removing his suit and using their lost moments on earth to spend time together and Batman chooses not to turn Freeze in and lets him sail away with Nora. THAT is the ending he deserves and i won't accept anything else
HOLY CRAP! BtAS Clayface is normally sympathetic, but the issue shown here and the Growing Pains episodes are shockingly effective at making you hate him! Long continuities can be hard to keep up with, but it's only through them that you can get such riveting scenes of two sympathetic monsters hate each other and feel just as outraged as both of them! Also, props to Ferris Boyle and Roland Daggett. Lex Luthor may be more dangerous, but at least he entertains the idea of saving the world rather than only ever seeing it as something to exploit.
@Sorain1 Growing Pains was ROUGH! I keep forgetting that BtAS Hagen was a piece of crap even before he became Clayface, but Growing Pains makes sure you never forget that he's awful.
There was a Batgirl comic where Mr Freeze teamed up with the League of Assassins to get a lazarus pit to try and revive Nora. It...didn't go well, she went insane and became Lazara, an undying monstrosity who could raise the dead
The thing I like about the Harley Quinn version is the idea of Freeze having to give his life to save Nora's. After that is a different story, but I do like that one scene quite a lot.
Civilians saw Freeze as a monster.
Scientists saw Freeze as an experiment
Batman saw Freeze as a human
Didn’t know Batman was such a chill dude
He's really cool once you get to know him
He’s just such an ice guy
The flash could have helped him.
He’s pretty cool just very cold inside
That new 52 version sucks, making Nora just some patient Freeze is obsessed with is so stupid
the new 52 is stupid
@@poem5677a lot of it was really good though. But completely rebooting wasn’t necessary. Good thing most of the post-crisis continuity is in canon now.
Important rule: We don't talk about News 52 Freeze.
……… so he belongs in Arkham
I thought it was gonna be good cuz all the comics that came out...I got kinda disappointed
For some reason, Mr. Freeze is more often than not depicted as a heartless killer in the comics instead of a tragic figure.
The thing is that comic freeze is often trying to be like animated a bit at first but then the writers just give up lol
The backstory of him trying to save his wife didn't exist until it was used in the Animated show. Before then his motive wasn't Nora
And killer croc
I really like how Mr Freeze and Batman parallel each other as men frozen at a moment in time, the loss of Nora and the death of the Waynes, but Freeze is literally frozen in the moment, unable to move beyond it, always desperately search for a way to free Nora, while Bats is slowly but surely moving forward beyond that moment in the alleyway (of course never entirely, but still).
There’s a big reason why I don’t like stories that emphasize Victor’s obsession with Nora. And that is that it takes away the humanity that made his story “Heart of Ice” so memorable.
Making their relationship a toxic one driven by a man who feared losing control is not as heartbreaking as a healthy one threatened by illness.
It also feeds into the Spider-man feeling. Freeze has genuinely a good person who just wants to be happy, but no matter what he does or how he does it, life will find a way to take everything away from him. Him being a good person makes it more relatable and tragic, he never did anything wrong to deserve the hand he was dealt, but that's just life.
I feel like an unhealthy obsession and a controlling nature is fundamentally necessary to make Victor Fries into Mr Freeze. Granted, I don't think his relationship with Nora should be toxic, but a relationship that's got a lot of foundation to be perfectly healthy if he had the opportunity to grow as a person rather than be backed into the corner that would turn him into Mr Freeze. Just someone who'd be in a much better place in his relationship if he could learn to loosen his grip and better let Nora be her own person outside of him.
@@Bush-Warrior actually I feel the opposite. The tragedy is further heightened because he lost the woman he loves and was mutated forever. It shows that anyone, even people in functional relationships, can be pushed into the same position he is. As the Joker puts it: It just takes one bad day.
I like they pulled a fast one on that plot in Harley Quinn show. She decides to unfreeze Nora thinking he is abusive only to learn they actually loved each other and she consented to being frozen
This Is Why I Love Mr Freeze In Batman's Rogues Gallery, He's Not Some Guy Who Wants To Take Over The World, He Just Wanted To Find A Cure For His Wife Nora.❄️
Truly a heart breaking character 💔
Mr. Freeze is one of those characters that I think less is more and where the status quo of being a recurring Batman villain kind of screws him over. Use him to many times and the reason he is doing crime “for Nora” it starts to seem like an excuse. Use him sparingly and like in the Arkham Knight DLC show us that he can change and he’s one of Batman’s best villains.
@@benjaminmooday9537 - Indeed... a good example of that is the show *Gotham* , in which the first mini-arc that covers Mr Freeze's origin story in season 2 was fantastic, with Nathan Darrow & Kristen Hager doing great as Victor & Nora Fries...
But then Nora dies, Victor tries to get himself banned from the big game, but Hugo Strange brings him back to life & gives him a freezing power suit so he can be used as an elite mook by the various Big Bads...
I'm glad that he was kept around since he was a kickass Mr Freeze, but sadly it did show that this character can be a bit limited if Nora is taken out of the equation...
... in DC's main universe, I remember that Nora Fries was recruited by Grifter to join the WildC.A.T.s and HALO alongside various other DC villains.
But I haven't seen her around much, I should read more recent DC stuff that isn't just about the Batfamily
Mr Freeze has always been one of my favourite Batman villains, simply because he is not a villain but a victim. While yes, you can say many of Batman's villains are victims of abuse, injustice, and greed, I feel Freeze doesn't want to hurt people, but nevertheless, he is forced to hurt those who get in his way all because of the unfortunate circumstances and cards he's been dealt with. I think Freeze is far more likely to reform than other villains, and I always appreciate how Batman always tries to help him, offering him a chance to save his wife and receiving Victor's help as a debt of gratitude. My favourite ending for Mr Freeze is in the Arkham Knight DLC Seasons of Infamy, where Nora is taken out of her chamber and gets to see what Victor has become and how much he's destroyed himself all for her. Hence, she begs Victor to stop what he's doing and live their final days together with each other, which, in my opinion, was such a beautiful and satisfying ending to Victor's arc in the Arkham games and my favourite ending to the character.
I also like how they handle him in City. After to fight him and beat him, he asks you to find his wife (Joker taking her is why Freeze even fought Batman to begin with). When you actually find her, he is genuinely thankful and neither him or Bruce fight again in the Arkham games (he is actually kinda chill when you see him in Knight).
His depiction of a broken man that has nothing to fight for anymore is especially highlighted in Batman Beyond during his short appearance on the show
“Believe me… You’re the only one who cares.”
Heart of ice is one of my favourite batman tas episodes ever as that shows Mr. Freeze as such a good batman character
Bro the arkham games interpretation of freeze was so fucking good. God damn you rocksteady for turning into a souless husk of your former selves!
Ngl, I wish Freeze's history in the DCAU would have ended in the magnificent movie "Sub-Zero". He coming back to crime in TNBA just because Nora remade her life was completely stupid and out-of-character, as he would have gladly let her have a happy life with another man. That said, Batman Beyond at least gave us an emotional farewell
They brought him back in the recent "The Adventures Continues" comic and what they did with Nora and Freeze was awful. Really not worth it
Why did you like the movie?, i thought it was boring
100% agree. It irked me so much they had this beautiful sendoff where Nora lives and he can finally just retire happy knowing he succeeded. It gave the idea of hope and accomplishment some people can truly change.
But then DC got greedy and ruined it so they could just stick him in more episodes
Yeah I hate how they did that. They at least did him justice in the Arkham series.
@@Lawrence_TalbotI wouldn't be surprised if she's apart of the suicide squad locked up somewhere
Okay as soon as you said that Batman sympathizes with the villains because they all had a bad day just like him when his parents were murdered right in front of him as a kid. They had just different ways ,the villains of internalizing those problems. I never thought of it that way in my entire life. That made me speechless and blew my mind.
That's why Batman has one of the most solid rouge's galleries in comics despite most of his villains being street level.
All of his enemies are just reflections of himself in some way
@@screenname6829this is mad fax
And on the other side of the coin, you have the Robins who also have similar fates but unlike the villains Batman couldn’t get to in time (including Bruce), the kids have Batman to guide them.
Girl 1#: "He didn't cry with Titanic. Can you believe it?"
Girl 2#: "Do men even have feelings?!"
Freeze: "I can only beg your forgiveness, and pray you hear me somehow, someplace... someplace where a warm hand waits for mine."
Men: 😢
Oh this is ridiculous... I'm sure girls cry when they watch Heart of Ice too.
@@jordanloux3883 its referring to the fact that some false feminists claim that men are emotionless
because they didn't cry at one specific thing.
@@tariqshort4025 I'm aware, it's also boring and not funny anymore
@@tariqshort4025 this funny, mainly because you are just wrong.
Feminist are usually in favor of men showing emotions, because the whole "men should always be manly" is just so damaging, especially for boys growing up.
This is feminism 101, patriarchy is bad for everyone, because it perpetuates harmfull expectations.
Isn’t there an old expression like “A hero would sacrifice the one to save millions. A villain would sacrifice millions to save the one.”
Honestly i always hope mr freeze would save his wife i always root for mr freeze when he decided to let Nora live in batman arkham knight it made me tear up a bit
Read Batman White Knight, they get their happy ending in the end, and he's kinda more of a hero in that story
One of my favorite lines in superhero history is "Death is cold, Batman".
What's somewhat baffling Is that In the DC universe, there's a great deal of characters who could easily cure both Nora and Victor.
Like Zatana. She can say something like "WON SEIRF ARON/ROTCIV ERUC!". Or Booster Gold bringing medicine from his future.
This pretty much makes so Mr. Freeze's tragedy mostly only works In Batman-only media.
When you put it like that, Barbara Gordon getting paralysed is equally stupid, if not worse.
When you put it like that why not just magically cure all villains from their ailments/ rewrite their brains to be model citizens?
@@socialyawkwardandrew7673 I mean, yeah, why not right? Comics have this problem
"I can only beg your forgiveness, and pray you hear me somehow, someplace... someplace where a warm hand waits for mine."
Many of batman's villains have been humanized like croc, two-face (the dark knight returns) and even catwoman becomes his wife though they morally disagree. This is why most love batman and his villains more than an unrelatable alien warmongers
I love it when writers get his character right he's a Shakespeare level tragic villain.
Ngl, it's pretty cool the origin that stablishes thwt Freeze had since his childhood a sick obession with ice that could only be controlled by his love for Nora. However, destiny would hit him in the most poeticaloy cruel way possible, being now forced to use the thing it tries to destroy him in order to save her
Remember: Mr. Freeze started out as a loser villain; even his name was different as he initially was called "Mr. Zero" with a lack of development.
It was until the excellent portrayal of the character in Batman TAS where Freeze was fleshed out and made into a better villain. So you can thanks Bruce Timm and Paul Dini for improving a character that would be an obscure Batman villain right now whom no one would give a dime if it wasn't by their ingenuity.
And he would have been completely forgotten by time altogether if it wasn't for his appearance on the Adam West Batman show.
@@jordanloux3883Yes. Thanks for giving that detail, dude. And you are actually right; the Batman show of the 60s actually gave some glimpses of the future Mr. Freeze, especifically his tragic backstory and his inability to have a normal life due to his accident.
Mr. Freeze is a very sad sympathetic character. He does everything in his power to find a cure for his wife disease. He has a heart made of ICE than blood. Batman always finds a way to be there for his villains despite all the bad things they done he feels a connection to his villains cos he knows what it’s like to be in pain and dead inside. ❤🖤
Mr. Freeze was always my favorite batman villian, cause he never truly felt like a "villain," to me, he was just a dude who wanted his wife back.
Someone put it well that in Heart of Ice, Freeze was the antagonist, and Boyle was the real villain. Antagonist doesn't equate to villain/unlikable and I liked thst someone properly identified Freeze and Boyle that way.
Bro your videos are so good. You have the perfect voice and tone for this. Makes the night at work much more bearable. Thanks homie 🙏
Mr freeze being a sad is the coldest take you could have
Being a sad 🤨
@@hexasnexus2561 I was drunk when I wrote the comment lol
13:38 I vaguely remember the spin off comic but what I remember is the Batman Beyond episode that was the sequel to that titled “Meltdown” which was just as depressing.
I can sympathize with freeze since i lost my wife to a horrible disease wishing that one day to find a cured it just to hold her in our arms once again he might be a fictional character still can relate in some ways or another
I don't know how they got him so wrong in n52 honestly. He went from a man who nearly lost his wife and his will to live to a creepy ass stalker.
OG Freeze will always be the best one.
I loved the old Batman cartoon. I had the whole collection. And I never got tired of watching it. Such Nostalgia. 🥰👍💯
A *gamer* could NEVER defeat him
Actually the whole 'is Nora alive or dead' thing goes as far back at Heart of Ice itself. Dini and Timm intended Nora to be dead the entire time but the suits preferred her be alive. THat's why in the BTAS comics they keep saying she died between episodes.
The Animated Series had the best version of Mr. Freeze hands down. Not a overbearing control freak, just a husband doing everything he can for the one person he loves
I like these kinds of stories. Yknow the kind where you aren’t screaming at Batman to just kill them already and be done with it. A story that makes Batman’s moral code much more believable.
He is a heart wrenching character. And I admit, the New 52 rendition didn't do him justice.
But on a lighter note it would be funny if Freeze were a major Arnold Schwarzenegger fan. He walks into his quarters. His goons think he's off to plot another scheme, but he turns to them and say: "No! There's an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie marathon and I never miss the chance to see Arnie in action!"
I could see that
The thumbnail is my desktop background.
Excellent taste 👌
You really love to experience sadness everytime you boot up your computer don't you?
N*ice*
why can't they let this man get a happy ending
The same reason Bruce Wayne can never get over the death of his parents. Because writers fear that if you take away the trauma, you have nothing left, so they're stuck being static.
Honestly I like to think that if Bruce’s company never said no to Mr. freeze project it’s highly possible that he would never become the villain we all know him as and instead would be a well respected employee that changed the medical industry with his cryo-technology under the Wayne industries.🐱
0:05 its more like saying water makes things wet because its actually true
THANK YOU. SOMEONE GETS IT.
The two stories that do freeze the dirtiest is the comic where he saves Nora and she injects him with a formula that nearly kills him leaving him behind. The second is the Harley Quinn show where sacrificed himself to save Nora (in a stupid move where Freeze and Batman couldn’t save her after years but Ivy somehow did) and she then becomes a whore and party girl. It’s both insulting to his lifetime of sacrifice and even to the fans.
18:41 The glorious sounds of someone most likely having lost a bet
Damn now I feel like a Batman villian and I'm thinking of her again
i never understand how people resonate or connect with a specific character until i heard of Mr. Freeze. The way he dreads to see death of someone or something beautiful or precious, the same type of fear i felt, the end of something always kept me away from enjoying stories fearing the end, the death or the discontinuation of it. In a way it selfish not wanting the end of something even if it not your own.
No no no no no no no no.
Batman is a sad character.
Mothman is a sad character.
Ace is a sad character.
Dr. Victor Fries...is a tragedy.
just like mr freeze always says "wow its cold"
Man its so odd, I dont read comics, but I absolutly love your videos.
Of course the BTAS version does it the best -- they invented this version of the character. Every story to come after that has tried to change details or just did the same story worse.
just rewatched heart of ice episode from the animated series what a coincidence
Mr. Freeze embodies the saying "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" and is on of the highest examples of a good tragic villian especially in the 90s animated series
With all the minds of the justice league they could cure his wife with barely a thought. Hell, Batman could do it in a knight(heh). Fries would probably serve all of his time if she got fixed
I've kind of wanted a Suicide Squad story setup with him as the only big name in it, 'trusted' by Waller because she has his heart in her hands and is offering him the only thing he wants. Make sure no one else on the squad knows his history and you could get some really great drama around how heartless he seems.
Man screw clayface. This was sad as hell.
Almost got me..
Nice I get to see a sad story before bed 😢 Thanks 😭
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Mr. Handsome Freeze?!?!? 🥶
Topright frame at 5:17 looks SO MUCH like Medic TF2,, the brainrot is taking over,,,
I love the batman the animated series. The way batman is portrayed and his villains. This version of Freeze is my absolute favorite, and I loved seeing him again in batman beyond. His ending hit hard though.
Waylon is sadder imo. Victor is just controlling and unable to accept reality. Clayface did get him tho and that was messed up but otherwise not a sad story imo.
Oh, depression
Mr Freeze is easily one of my favorite villains in Batman's rogues gallery because I feel like he's one of the few among them who actually has a shot at setting his record straight.
Unlike just about every single one of the Bat's rogues, Freeze is less insane than he is just incredibly desperate. It's probably why I find him to be the most sympathetic and relatable of Batman's rogues. His situation and his motivations are just so real, to the point where I'm sure that most of us would turn out somewhat like Freeze if we were in his shoes.
Is so sad that now he got even replaced by Mrs Freeze😢
Mr. Freeze is my favorite batman villain, because i like his robot suit
A hero would sacrifice you for the world. A villain would sacrifice the world for you.
Damm, Clayface kicking a man while he's down and destorying his chance for love once and for all.
Please make a video about The Scarecrow too
Damn bro got to this one before me lol. Great video!! The Batman Gotham Adventures comics have some hidden gems in them!
I’m watching every single video from you right now and this shit crazy!
Arnold absolutely killed it as Mr Freeze in Batman & Robin. maybe one too many cold puns but other than that it was damn good.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING!
I was crying practically the whole video. With that being said, I am going to leave a like now and i will be tewatching it like ten times in the next few days.. and I will most likely cry every time lol
Heart of ice is the best episode of the animated series. It's the best version of batman universe. They made it human, empathic. Batman really cared.
That's some Romeo and Juliet levels of tragic. To be given hope after years in a cell, only to find out that the Nora that visited him was just Clayman using him. All the while Nora actually did receive the letter and was on the way to see him but it was too late.
Mr Freeze was always one of my favorite tragic "villains" since my childhood
I know this is more of a Freeze video, but you hit the nail on the head with Batman. Actually having him feel for his villains and believe they can overcome their tragedies like he himself tries to do by being the Dark Knight, he's a much *cooler* character.
I will see myself out, great vid as usual Mullet Man.
Give me the ending where Freeze willing goes to Arkham and his wife is just being kept safely somewhere, I like that one, it doesn't make me cry
I actually like the twist with Victor in the new 52 because it is a cool change of pace. The original story has been done thousands of times.
It's one of the reasons why I did like Victor in the Batman cartoon
Mr Freeze is never the real monster, it is instead the people who inflict Frieze with the scars he has, never letting him live the life he wants, while simultaneously, crushing the chance for him to get what he will lose, from Ferris, to his father, the monsters that haunt Freeze, are the scars he has from them
The Batman: TAS comics are actually pretty fucked up sometimes, like, unjustly so. They needlessly ruin Fries’s life and did the same sort of thing to Harvey; making him think Bruce took his wife from him thanks to an act by Joker and Harley without ever learning the truth, or before Harvey could cross a point in his rage that his wife would never wanna see his face again.
Without Paul Dini, anything based on it is just resting on his Laurels.
Mr Freeze would never happen in Europe.
One of the sadder depictions of Freeze that i enjoyed is his Batman Beyond Counterpart.
The most magical aspect of Marvel/DC is their ability to create such deep and compelling stories with characters that could have originated from a child's after school drawings of a bat shaped guy fighting an evil freezer.
Mr freeze is like any man who would do anything for there lover
That squidward, Mr. Fries caught me off guard. Hahaha.
Hey, I stumbled upon this channel by sheer happenstance a few days ago and it's quickly becoming one of my favorite comic channels! Keep up the good work!
Damn I never know he was chill like that
The clay face story is such a sad story
I think cold cold heart is amazing as well with Freeze in anger trying to help nora especially the line's where he's begging for help on the ground from boyle to help nora. its so striking
Thank you for yet another great video Mullet Man
Can't wait for the next video "red hood is angry"
Keep up the great work
I love your content my guy. Your delivery is wonderful too, you keep the warm nostalgia of genuine comic storytelling alive in your niche here on youtube. This one moved me, and I'll admit I shed a few tears. Thank you for sharing these stories
I really love the depictions where Victor and Nora had a healthy relationship, but because Nora was the only person who showed Victor kindness, he was terrified of the possibility of her dying, leaving him alone. Again. As he had been his whole life, until she came in.
Honestly, the one told in the Animated Series and then continued in Batman Beyond is the best version.
Once he got a job, suddenly freezing things wasn’t so frowned upon anymore. Oh, how times change.
Arkham Knight is the only conclusion to the charactee i will ever accept. For Mr Freeze to love his wife THAT much and go to these insane lengths to save her, i expected her to be something extremely special. I hated how in other continuties she moves on, cheats on him, or is horrified of him. In Arkham knight when shes unfrozen she is saddened by what her husband has become and talks him out of being Mr Freeze. It ends with him removing his suit and using their lost moments on earth to spend time together and Batman chooses not to turn Freeze in and lets him sail away with Nora. THAT is the ending he deserves and i won't accept anything else
HOLY CRAP! BtAS Clayface is normally sympathetic, but the issue shown here and the Growing Pains episodes are shockingly effective at making you hate him! Long continuities can be hard to keep up with, but it's only through them that you can get such riveting scenes of two sympathetic monsters hate each other and feel just as outraged as both of them!
Also, props to Ferris Boyle and Roland Daggett. Lex Luthor may be more dangerous, but at least he entertains the idea of saving the world rather than only ever seeing it as something to exploit.
Man, being reminded of Growing Pains reminds me why I absolutely have him on the 'end them' list for that continuity. Lines man...
@Sorain1 Growing Pains was ROUGH! I keep forgetting that BtAS Hagen was a piece of crap even before he became Clayface, but Growing Pains makes sure you never forget that he's awful.
Batman: Snow is also a good TPB collection from Legends of the Dark Knight that I would recommend for people that like Mr. Freeze.
At least Boyle will face judgement for his crimes. I just wish that freeze & Nora would live together, they could’ve had a happy life.
There was a Batgirl comic where Mr Freeze teamed up with the League of Assassins to get a lazarus pit to try and revive Nora. It...didn't go well, she went insane and became Lazara, an undying monstrosity who could raise the dead
Now Suicide Squad Kill The Justice League will ruin him with its DLC
Truly chilling stuff.
Almost cried during this video jeez.
Clay Face really pretended to be Nora for weeks constantly catfishing Freese just to blow his cover
The thing I like about the Harley Quinn version is the idea of Freeze having to give his life to save Nora's. After that is a different story, but I do like that one scene quite a lot.