Yup, and then you get blamed for everything that goes wrong, but get no recognition for when it goes right. I'm dealing with this right now, (I could write a book, don't get me started) they wonder why I don't want anything to do with coworkers or participate more than the bare minimum.
"Additional duties as assigned" has always been their way of overworking you without offering additional pay. If I see that on the job description at the end of an already way too long a list of job duties then I don't even waste my time applying.
And they pitch that as a pro of working for them. That's supposed to be a benefit! They say it as though they doing me a favor by being a hectic work environment that you have to work your ass off at. That should instead be something that you should get extra pay for.
I hiss like a vampire whenever I see that keyword. WHY do they think that is an attractive work environment? How about moderately paced? That would appeal to far more people than fast paced. It's so disheartening whenever I see a job I'll probably be good for, only to see the words fast-paced, energetic, outgoing etc. and my heart sinks.
That very fast "Well, we have your resume, and we'll be in contact" translation: _'Oh, crap; she's figured it out! Abort, abort; THIS ONE'S TOO SMART!!'_
Thank you for addressing that! I've always despised that nasty little caveat in a job description. I found it particularly offensive when I noticed that positions in other departments have clearly defined descriptions allowing them to make an informed decision about the job they're considering.
Especially in practice when you ASSUME that all departments have those overlapping tasks but they are all dumped on you because they have the contractual right to stick to their core tasks.
I once worked as a receptionist for a commercial production company in Beverly Hills. I had just moved from Texas and needed some income to pay the bills until I could get state licensing for my usual work (self employed). The owner of the company would sit across from me in the mornings and tell me how being a producer was where the money was at and I should give up my profession and do that instead. Then she proceeded to go on and on about how everybody in the biz got their start by working at the bottom for free. This would be an internship. She would then say how I could work for them as an intern for a few years and then make six figures by getting hired onto commercial film projects by other companies. I wasn’t interested nor could I afford to work for free. They stopped paying me claiming they were having some financial difficulties and would pay me the next week. This carried on for 4 weeks. So, I quit. And went back with a huge mean looking male friend of mine to collect my check. Never let someone steam roll you!
Never tell a job your future plans....stick to the job at hand. Personal goals should never be talked about....do your job...get paid so you can pay your bills and expenses towards future goals. But never tell them Anything!!!! See how they treated you??? If you do it again at another job, the same thing is going to happen ❤
So you better not do that same thing again at your next job you hear??? Listen to what he has to say and don't you dare do that thing he told you not to do ❤
General mgr-"we can't find anyone, no one wants to work" Guy walks in to speak to a hiring manager about setting up an interview and applied online, Hiring mgr "Just tell him when we start to go through applications we'll start calling"
It would be refreshing if someone would say "we're hoping we can exploit your labor at a permanently increasing rate and that you'll be too desperate to refuse it."
This is has been the worst for me at non-profits where they are full of people who are nurturing and give their heart and soul, and for super low pay. Ugh. Thank you Veronica for your example of boundaries and standing up for ourselves.
I always tell them I am a team player but I am not the whole team. No football player is required to play multiple positions in a game and no trainer would assume that this is better for the team.
Instead, ask what percentage of your time on average would need to be dedicated to other assigned duties. They're more likely to answer, and it gives you some boundary to reference.
Oh, yeah...the old "additional duties as required" scam. And then the time-tested "team player" and "step up in times of need" tropes. Bonus points if they say, "we're a family here." What they mean is, "Whatever we want, whenever we want it, you have to do, for no additional compensation." A perennial favorite is, "Well, yeah, you have all this vacation/PTO, but we expect you to be here regardless," and they imply that it's frowned upon if you actually take advantage of it. Been there, heard 'em all. Fuggem.
It all comes down to supply and demand. As long as enough people are willing to (temporarily) deal with all that shit, you will have a hard time negotiating. (a huge argument for unions, in my opinions) where I just can not understand corporations is why they battle often their best employees and prefer to hire new guys instead of giving the veterans 20-30% higher salaries. In the end you often end up with more people you need to pay and lower quality. I have seen all of that happen, usually when there is too much distance between the workers and the CEOs.
I actually had that happen. They laid off 17 people from my department and we had to “absorb” their work when we were already working OT and Saturdays. Worst job ever.
I just ended up with another program and all the direct service clients from the direct reports that my supervisor moved into her new program. She pointed that ‘other duties’ was why. 😡
This is why I want a job. I don't care about career. That's not my purpose in life. Working pays for me to exist in this world so that I can fulfill my actual purposes.
This is the sort of thing that explains my disdain for Corporate Weasels, and why I tend to regard them as being unworthy of being allowed to eat my Undigested Peanuts.
Not being able to provide any examples is a huge red flag. No, I couldn't list out everything covered under my job's description of "additional duties" but I can give a few examples, like 'squashing bugs', 'repairing shelves' or 'helping with a stuffed animal photo shoot'. I'm a librarian, btw.
“Able to think on your feet” and “goal driven environment” Always meant you are never sitting. Ever…. Not even for lunch. It’s cute when you have youth on your side, and trying to make a name for yourself, not 15 years into your adulthood and have 10 years of tangible experience 😂😂😂😂 Yeah, I’m good- I hustle behind a desk thanks. That’s what technology is for
'team player', 'above and beyond' and 'step up'- corporate lingo for we are gonna work you on this plantation until you croak on a shitty pay with no extra bonus.
a lot of validity in this, and i LOVE your skits... but in this particular one, to ME, what it illustrates, is that the overly particular candidate, now walks away without a job, instead of with one. you can say what you will, but there IS give and take in the work environment.
Job descriptions are a joke because they can just change them on a whim and tell you that you're no longer qualified for the job you've been doing for years.
What would happen if you asked which additional duties arose most frequently? Like, not in a combative way; just so you know what to expect. For example, one summer in university, I worked at my dad's friend's law firm, as basically a file clerk. Sometimes I also did reception, which was fine, but I communicated upfront that I wasn't going to be able to make coffee. They had a big industrial-sized coffee machine that was basically a giant metal drum. At the time, I didn't drink coffee, so I didn't know what good coffee was supposed to taste like. Also, while I was away at university, I actually tried to make coffee in a similar machine, for a blood drive, and failed miserably at it. So, I told them about that; not in a mean way, but just warning them that if they wanted good coffee, they'd either have to walk me through the process, or just make it themselves. They chose the latter.
I don't understand anyone's problem with this, unless it is a salaried position. Hourly employees only work 8 hours a day, 40 hours a week. Let the boss spend your time any way they want. You aren't doing more work. You're doing different work. And if you don't want to do the different work, just suck at it until they take it away from you.
Passive Agressive working. Had a guy ask me to go get him a soda at the machine on the first floor, 13 floors down. I shook that can all the way back up on hte elevator, never got asked to fetch drinks again.
"You aren't doing more work. You're doing different work." Not necessarily true. They'll load the extra responsibilities on you at their whim and you'll be expected to do those things in addition to your regular duties and fit it all within the same 8 hours, and if your regular work suffers because of all the extra crap they're loading on you, then your performance review also suffers as a result.
The "fire the accountant" is so true. Its not just, that they expect from you to be the bad guy for them. They want you to do his work on top of yours. On time, of course.
I work in a place like that once job was put medals in a box additional duties meant I had to paint the place clean the place clean the outside parking babysit the boss kids do homework at my house go to company meetings in my hours put out fires provide first aid do people that got hurt at the job try to clean random filters for machinery so they didn't have to buy more pick up somebody else's job because they didn't come to work so literally it means everything they want you to do you should do it for the same pay and it was minimum wage to
Well, anyone can assign additional duties all day long, but I only have 8 work hours in a day. If I can't do them, I can't do them. If they want we can change priorities, but that means that something else should take a back seat. And no, I won't rush, because that means mistakes. If someone wants me to rush, they should take full responsibility for resulting fuck ups and time wasted on re-doing the same thing. That all applies regardless of role, on the ground worker or manager.
Veronica asking "how LITTLE amount of work can I get away with and still get paid?" without actually asking "how LITTLE amount of work can I get away with and still get paid?"
Additional duties, like the receptionist called out sick, and someone needs to pick up lunch . . . And make sure you cover all the work you are under contract for. Oh, could fill in for the CEO while he is stuck in another meeting.
I had a manager friend that liked to use that caveat to get rid of people, he'd assign them to clean bathrooms... when a desk person had to do that or quit... yeah, not a fair tactic
Another example of WAGE THEFT. Not paying employees what they’re worth, and a complete disrespect for their time and skills. Companies get away with it because people need work to take care of themselves and not be a burden on society. And if they aren’t being a “team player” (another word for wage theft) they might loose their job and not be promoted.
See... I follow the 3 month subscription premium package... once I clear probation time to renegotiate because hiring some one new would be a hellish expense at this point.
Perfect- best to know up front and not waste your time. I worked at a bank that fired more than half the branch in one day. From then on 3 of us were expected to do our work plus theirs with no additional support. When each of us either asked for more pay, or to officially be promoted to the positions we were filling, there would always be an excuse of why it wasn't possible. It was awful- I'd never work for a bank again.
As you're leaving, you say, "I'm sorry you wasted your time. I know it's frustrating when the potential employee is smarter than you, and sees through your buillshit. Have a nice day!"
"Team player": A person who not only has their labor and time exploited for no extra remuneration by their employer, but to be grateful for the opportunity to be exploited..
I've always looked at is as covering things like emptying the trash can at your desk if it's full or everyone taking turns emptying the dishwasher in the kitchen.
For me it's "yeah, you have 260 clients of your own to take care of this month, but go ahead and add more because Customer Service is understaffed and we are going to make you do their job as needed but you still have to hit your goals."
All of these comments are absolutely true. However, I got fed up 10 years years ago and just quit with no plan in place. I knew if I stayed, I would end up dead. Best decision I I ever made for myself.
I straight up told my boss when she tried to push day shift opening duties onto me on nights that if I was going to be doing their work I wanted their pay. Needless to say it has not been brought up again.
Just to note, "ambiguity in the contract (which this is) leans on the side of the party who didn't write it", so in this context, "additional duties" is ambiguous, and veronica didn't write it, so if she deems they are pushing too far, she can push back and the law will be on her side.
I am a kitchen manager. I run a private, non corporate kitchen. We make higher than 'corp' restaurant bar food. (21+). What is funny about todays hiring climate, is I was ghosted by 8 ppl over 2 months, yet found someone from craigslist by saying in the job post...'list of things we do' in one week. We are a real team, and the perks are real and unexpected. (Yes, pay competitive compensation for area, you can actually live single full time at my business) These businesses are out there. Search well. 😊
That question will prevent someone from getting a promotion. Instead take the promotion because you can put the leadership position on your resume and it shows you were selected for your abilities. Then politely quit after getting experience and finding a similar leadership position at another company if they pile too much work on you. Take the title and experience and keep your eyes open for other better opportunities. Have to learn to beat them at their own game.
This is one of those situations where you just sign the contract with the wrong hand, a wring signature that has nothing to do with your real one, tell them you are excited to start at their company and then completely ghost them. If they try to f*ck you, f*ck them back ten times harder.
That is why my duty statement has it broken down by percentage. It says 5% additional duties. That means I can't do more than 2 hours of work a week on things that are not my responsibility.
I got offered a job contract and my wife was working with a contract lawyer, and I already knew the answer, but I sent it over for review for some giggles. He was appalled. Said he had never seen a contract like it, and the list of things I was responsible for was mind boggling, as was the remuneration (mind bogglingly poor), as was the limits on what they'd pay for work travel etc. It was that "No, I am not being overly picky" moment. It was working for a very old friend, who served under me in the army on deployment. He started the final informal interview with "This is not about you and me, it's business", and I answered with "Ok then, that makes it easier. No". Haven't spoken to him much since. Maybe a "Hi, how ya going, that's nice. Ok, bye". every ten years or so. People will take the piss. Learn to say no.
My response is the duties above are like 80 to 90 percent of this job. Duties 6 through 20 is unreasonable and does need a revisit of the role and its total compensation package. You can still set role expectations eithout listing every little thing
additional work brings on additional liabilities, which puts the employee in a position to make a mistake that could be described as an offence that could lead to termination.
I worked at a place that if they hired you for a job, they expected you to have EVERY skill on the job posting. They wanted someone to have 35 years of python experience. To date it's only been out 33 years.
I once told a boss that cutting the grass at his home was not in my job description. He went and pulled out the job description I agreed to and said see this "other duties as assigned" so yes it was something I needed to do. I laughed at him and said other duties as assigned that relate to my job. cutting grass at his house and doing landscape work was not at all related to my job. He told me to do it or find another job. So I went to his house and cut the grass his wife wanted me to use a sprayer and spay fertilizer on the yard and plants. I was in the garage and saw the Roundup weed and grass killer. I used that instead. A few day later he was pissed off and threatened to have me arrested for vandalism. I just said I was not a lawncare professional and I had no idea what I was doing. I told him hell I have lived in apartments my entire life I have never even cut grass before in my life. Well he fired me but I never got sued or arrested.
"team player" = somebody that does everyone else's work.
Without complaints and without demanding more pay.
Or bullshits and brown noses while doing nothing.
Yup, and then you get blamed for everything that goes wrong, but get no recognition for when it goes right. I'm dealing with this right now, (I could write a book, don't get me started) they wonder why I don't want anything to do with coworkers or participate more than the bare minimum.
Say less. @@shawndavis2616
@shawndavis2616 Start looking for other jobs and plan your escape before you experience burn out and stress.
"Additional duties as assigned" has always been their way of overworking you without offering additional pay. If I see that on the job description at the end of an already way too long a list of job duties then I don't even waste my time applying.
"Work as perscribed" is one to look out for too
Same.
Most jobs have that lol if not all
Yes even in the public sector we have that.
@@monicavandeventer5429 my thoughts exactly and they always change the policies/handbook too
I always smirked when seeing “ Fast paced Environment“ just code for running your @$$ off
Just like,"DYNAMIC TEAM" = BAT $HIT CRAZY!
And they pitch that as a pro of working for them. That's supposed to be a benefit! They say it as though they doing me a favor by being a hectic work environment that you have to work your ass off at. That should instead be something that you should get extra pay for.
fast paced = zero planning
''Challenging work environment'' is another one.
I hiss like a vampire whenever I see that keyword. WHY do they think that is an attractive work environment? How about moderately paced?
That would appeal to far more people than fast paced.
It's so disheartening whenever I see a job I'll probably be good for, only to see the words fast-paced, energetic, outgoing etc. and my heart sinks.
"Well, we have your resume and we'll be in contact."
"You can try to contact me, but I'll be seeking employment somewhere else for my sanity."
That very fast "Well, we have your resume, and we'll be in contact" translation:
_'Oh, crap; she's figured it out! Abort, abort; THIS ONE'S TOO SMART!!'_
More like abort abort she is a trouble maker and we don't have time for her. Go to one of the other 200 people trying to get the same job.
Quite the opposite. More of “pain i’n the ass” than “smart”.
Thank you for addressing that! I've always despised that nasty little caveat in a job description. I found it particularly offensive when I noticed that positions in other departments have clearly defined descriptions allowing them to make an informed decision about the job they're considering.
Especially in practice when you ASSUME that all departments have those overlapping tasks but they are all dumped on you because they have the contractual right to stick to their core tasks.
I once worked as a receptionist for a commercial production company in Beverly Hills. I had just moved from Texas and needed some income to pay the bills until I could get state licensing for my usual work (self employed). The owner of the company would sit across from me in the mornings and tell me how being a producer was where the money was at and I should give up my profession and do that instead. Then she proceeded to go on and on about how everybody in the biz got their start by working at the bottom for free. This would be an internship. She would then say how I could work for them as an intern for a few years and then make six figures by getting hired onto commercial film projects by other companies. I wasn’t interested nor could I afford to work for free. They stopped paying me claiming they were having some financial difficulties and would pay me the next week. This carried on for 4 weeks. So, I quit. And went back with a huge mean looking male friend of mine to collect my check. Never let someone steam roll you!
Never tell a job your future plans....stick to the job at hand. Personal goals should never be talked about....do your job...get paid so you can pay your bills and expenses towards future goals. But never tell them Anything!!!! See how they treated you??? If you do it again at another job, the same thing is going to happen ❤
So you better not do that same thing again at your next job you hear??? Listen to what he has to say and don't you dare do that thing he told you not to do ❤
@@winninginlife you’re very good at mansplaining
Soooo.... You do need men.. aha... 😂
Too long. I didn't read your essay.
This is such a common employment scam, and I hate it
When a job says “fast paced work environment” = not enough staff. Don’t bother applying.
🤭
"We can't find anyone [to volunteer as a slave]"
LMAO! 😆🤣
General mgr-"we can't find anyone, no one wants to work" Guy walks in to speak to a hiring manager about setting up an interview and applied online, Hiring mgr "Just tell him when we start to go through applications we'll start calling"
It would be refreshing if someone would say "we're hoping we can exploit your labor at a permanently increasing rate and that you'll be too desperate to refuse it."
This is has been the worst for me at non-profits where they are full of people who are nurturing and give their heart and soul, and for super low pay. Ugh. Thank you Veronica for your example of boundaries and standing up for ourselves.
And that’s the thing…you ask questions like that and you’re seen as not a team player 🙄 but you’re just showing your boundaries won’t be crossed!
I always tell them I am a team player but I am not the whole team.
No football player is required to play multiple positions in a game and no trainer would assume that this is better for the team.
Instead, ask what percentage of your time on average would need to be dedicated to other assigned duties. They're more likely to answer, and it gives you some boundary to reference.
Oh, yeah...the old "additional duties as required" scam. And then the time-tested "team player" and "step up in times of need" tropes. Bonus points if they say, "we're a family here." What they mean is, "Whatever we want, whenever we want it, you have to do, for no additional compensation." A perennial favorite is, "Well, yeah, you have all this vacation/PTO, but we expect you to be here regardless," and they imply that it's frowned upon if you actually take advantage of it. Been there, heard 'em all. Fuggem.
They wouldn’t hire me if I said all that in an interview, they’d say I’m too combative 😂
It all comes down to supply and demand. As long as enough people are willing to (temporarily) deal with all that shit, you will have a hard time negotiating. (a huge argument for unions, in my opinions)
where I just can not understand corporations is why they battle often their best employees and prefer to hire new guys instead of giving the veterans 20-30% higher salaries. In the end you often end up with more people you need to pay and lower quality.
I have seen all of that happen, usually when there is too much distance between the workers and the CEOs.
-We'll be in contact.
-Don't bother
Veronica is my hero.
I actually had that happen. They laid off 17 people from my department and we had to “absorb” their work when we were already working OT and Saturdays. Worst job ever.
They just want to know how willing you are to be controlled. The moment they know they can't pull anything on you, they ghost you.
(they won't be in contact)
"Where does it end?" Oh, right here. Thank you for coming in. Good luck in your search. Have a nice day.
This is the difference between a career and a job.
Not really. I had a “career “ and it entailed “ other duties as assigned.” And now I have a job with clearly defined duties and nothing extra.
I just ended up with another program and all the direct service clients from the direct reports that my supervisor moved into her new program. She pointed that ‘other duties’ was why. 😡
This is why I want a job.
I don't care about career. That's not my purpose in life.
Working pays for me to exist in this world so that I can fulfill my actual purposes.
....umm.."but where does it end!"..😂😂😂
This is the sort of thing that explains my disdain for Corporate Weasels, and why I tend to regard them as being unworthy of being allowed to eat my Undigested Peanuts.
Not being able to provide any examples is a huge red flag.
No, I couldn't list out everything covered under my job's description of "additional duties" but I can give a few examples, like 'squashing bugs', 'repairing shelves' or 'helping with a stuffed animal photo shoot'. I'm a librarian, btw.
Additional duties should equal additional pay .
Don't forget the old "business needs", meaning if the business's needs "change" they can change your role, duties, schedule, etc.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 I LOVE VERONICA!!!❤❤❤
“Able to think on your feet” and “goal driven environment”
Always meant you are never sitting. Ever…. Not even for lunch. It’s cute when you have youth on your side, and trying to make a name for yourself, not 15 years into your adulthood and have 10 years of tangible experience 😂😂😂😂
Yeah, I’m good- I hustle behind a desk thanks. That’s what technology is for
And thats how simple it is. You let them know you're not playing, they let you know they're looking elsewhere.
Veronica is about her coins. Not being a team player 😂
Yeah, she's looking for a job, not a hobby sport
@@malcaniscsm5184 “There was just too many variables to describe”. 😂😂😂
and this is why I am self-employed, my time, my say, my control...
"Fast paced" is such a bullishit term
Ten years later the job has yet to be filled...
"Team player" translates to "We want to hire a doormat that we dump work onto without paying for it."
The "extra duties" mean sucking up and kissing the bosses feet like everyone else
Only the feet?
You know they would rescind that offer so quick
'team player', 'above and beyond' and 'step up'- corporate lingo for we are gonna work you on this plantation until you croak on a shitty pay with no extra bonus.
a lot of validity in this, and i LOVE your skits... but in this particular one, to ME, what it illustrates, is that the overly particular candidate, now walks away without a job, instead of with one. you can say what you will, but there IS give and take in the work environment.
Job descriptions are a joke because they can just change them on a whim and tell you that you're no longer qualified for the job you've been doing for years.
"I hope that makes sense" is so passive aggressive, lol.
I love how this manager’s always being vague is spot on with corporate bs that translates to “we want you to work for free.”
these videos need to be: veronica not really needing a job be like
I love how they say “if that makes sense.” It’s condescending and funny
It’s not funny. It’s such an overused expression these days, and in these animations, it’s passive aggressive.
What would happen if you asked which additional duties arose most frequently? Like, not in a combative way; just so you know what to expect. For example, one summer in university, I worked at my dad's friend's law firm, as basically a file clerk. Sometimes I also did reception, which was fine, but I communicated upfront that I wasn't going to be able to make coffee. They had a big industrial-sized coffee machine that was basically a giant metal drum. At the time, I didn't drink coffee, so I didn't know what good coffee was supposed to taste like. Also, while I was away at university, I actually tried to make coffee in a similar machine, for a blood drive, and failed miserably at it. So, I told them about that; not in a mean way, but just warning them that if they wanted good coffee, they'd either have to walk me through the process, or just make it themselves. They chose the latter.
and then they hire someone else
An incompetent one for that matter.
@@Reikotsu ALWAYS. An incompetent idiot is why I finally retired. One day, one of many, I just said "I don't need this"
@@Reikotsu not really. There are lots of smart, reliable people out here. And always someone better.
I don't understand anyone's problem with this, unless it is a salaried position. Hourly employees only work 8 hours a day, 40 hours a week. Let the boss spend your time any way they want. You aren't doing more work. You're doing different work. And if you don't want to do the different work, just suck at it until they take it away from you.
Passive Agressive working. Had a guy ask me to go get him a soda at the machine on the first floor, 13 floors down. I shook that can all the way back up on hte elevator, never got asked to fetch drinks again.
"You aren't doing more work. You're doing different work."
Not necessarily true. They'll load the extra responsibilities on you at their whim and you'll be expected to do those things in addition to your regular duties and fit it all within the same 8 hours, and if your regular work suffers because of all the extra crap they're loading on you, then your performance review also suffers as a result.
The "fire the accountant" is so true.
Its not just, that they expect from you to be the bad guy for them. They want you to do his work on top of yours. On time, of course.
I work in a place like that once job was put medals in a box additional duties meant I had to paint the place clean the place clean the outside parking babysit the boss kids do homework at my house go to company meetings in my hours put out fires provide first aid do people that got hurt at the job try to clean random filters for machinery so they didn't have to buy more pick up somebody else's job because they didn't come to work so literally it means everything they want you to do you should do it for the same pay and it was minimum wage to
“Competitive pay” is another red flag.
Got it
Flexible hours is a flag also.
You can't list everything out, "Okay, list 5"
Well, anyone can assign additional duties all day long, but I only have 8 work hours in a day. If I can't do them, I can't do them. If they want we can change priorities, but that means that something else should take a back seat.
And no, I won't rush, because that means mistakes. If someone wants me to rush, they should take full responsibility for resulting fuck ups and time wasted on re-doing the same thing.
That all applies regardless of role, on the ground worker or manager.
Veronica’s face at the end 😂
Veronica asking "how LITTLE amount of work can I get away with and still get paid?" without actually asking "how LITTLE amount of work can I get away with and still get paid?"
The applicant was overqualified for the role.
Additional duties, like the receptionist called out sick, and someone needs to pick up lunch . . . And make sure you cover all the work you are under contract for.
Oh, could fill in for the CEO while he is stuck in another meeting.
My “additional duties” stop at 5pm precisely.
I had a manager friend that liked to use that caveat to get rid of people, he'd assign them to clean bathrooms... when a desk person had to do that or quit... yeah, not a fair tactic
Oh god, this feels like a whipping boy situation, run!
Another example of WAGE THEFT. Not paying employees what they’re worth, and a complete disrespect for their time and skills. Companies get away with it because people need work to take care of themselves and not be a burden on society.
And if they aren’t being a “team player” (another word for wage theft) they might loose their job and not be promoted.
She ended that interview 😂
It seems like you should be able to negotiate that those additional duties will not take more than x% of your time or x hours per week/month/quarter.
See... I follow the 3 month subscription premium package... once I clear probation time to renegotiate because hiring some one new would be a hellish expense at this point.
Yeah, the "various other duties" clause will be the company owning you 24/7.
I have learned that companies and management who use the word ‘team’ are people I don’t want to work for.
lol this was too real and painful
Im dealing with exactly this issue in my current job. There's no end to what they ask for.
Perfect- best to know up front and not waste your time. I worked at a bank that fired more than half the branch in one day. From then on 3 of us were expected to do our work plus theirs with no additional support. When each of us either asked for more pay, or to officially be promoted to the positions we were filling, there would always be an excuse of why it wasn't possible. It was awful- I'd never work for a bank again.
Chase?
As you're leaving, you say, "I'm sorry you wasted your time. I know it's frustrating when the potential employee is smarter than you, and sees through your buillshit. Have a nice day!"
"Team player": A person who not only has their labor and time exploited for no extra remuneration by their employer, but to be grateful for the opportunity to be exploited..
If i hear team player or family in the interview i walk. And i have done it twice now.
I've always looked at is as covering things like emptying the trash can at your desk if it's full or everyone taking turns emptying the dishwasher in the kitchen.
For me it's "yeah, you have 260 clients of your own to take care of this month, but go ahead and add more because Customer Service is understaffed and we are going to make you do their job as needed but you still have to hit your goals."
The most realistc outcome
No I think I would have said.I would like to resign my resume now, ASAP
Job description: Whatever we tell you to do.
I've had a few jobs like that.
Team player. RUN!!!
ROTF LMFAO 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
All of these comments are absolutely true.
However, I got fed up 10 years years ago and just quit with no plan in place. I knew if I stayed, I would end up dead.
Best decision I I ever made for myself.
“I hope that makes sense”.
I straight up told my boss when she tried to push day shift opening duties onto me on nights that if I was going to be doing their work I wanted their pay.
Needless to say it has not been brought up again.
This line is in teaching and nursing contracts… 😬
They will NOT be in contact 😂
"team player" equates to grossly being taken advantage of!
Im starting to think that "team player" is a red flag in job listings.😅
A 'team' works together so everyone can win. What corporations want is for you to play hard so they can win.
She didn't get a call back 100%. If you aren't towing the company line then you are a target.
Just to note, "ambiguity in the contract (which this is) leans on the side of the party who didn't write it", so in this context, "additional duties" is ambiguous, and veronica didn't write it, so if she deems they are pushing too far, she can push back and the law will be on her side.
I am a kitchen manager. I run a private, non corporate kitchen. We make higher than 'corp' restaurant bar food. (21+). What is funny about todays hiring climate, is I was ghosted by 8 ppl over 2 months, yet found someone from craigslist by saying in the job post...'list of things we do' in one week. We are a real team, and the perks are real and unexpected. (Yes, pay competitive compensation for area, you can actually live single full time at my business) These businesses are out there. Search well. 😊
That question will prevent someone from getting a promotion. Instead take the promotion because you can put the leadership position on your resume and it shows you were selected for your abilities. Then politely quit after getting experience and finding a similar leadership position at another company if they pile too much work on you. Take the title and experience and keep your eyes open for other better opportunities. Have to learn to beat them at their own game.
This is one of those situations where you just sign the contract with the wrong hand, a wring signature that has nothing to do with your real one, tell them you are excited to start at their company and then completely ghost them.
If they try to f*ck you, f*ck them back ten times harder.
That is why my duty statement has it broken down by percentage. It says 5% additional duties. That means I can't do more than 2 hours of work a week on things that are not my responsibility.
I got offered a job contract and my wife was working with a contract lawyer, and I already knew the answer, but I sent it over for review for some giggles. He was appalled. Said he had never seen a contract like it, and the list of things I was responsible for was mind boggling, as was the remuneration (mind bogglingly poor), as was the limits on what they'd pay for work travel etc. It was that "No, I am not being overly picky" moment. It was working for a very old friend, who served under me in the army on deployment. He started the final informal interview with "This is not about you and me, it's business", and I answered with "Ok then, that makes it easier. No". Haven't spoken to him much since. Maybe a "Hi, how ya going, that's nice. Ok, bye". every ten years or so. People will take the piss. Learn to say no.
My response is the duties above are like 80 to 90 percent of this job. Duties 6 through 20 is unreasonable and does need a revisit of the role and its total compensation package.
You can still set role expectations eithout listing every little thing
additional work brings on additional liabilities, which puts the employee in a position to make a mistake that could be described as an offence that could lead to termination.
These are clever.
I worked at a place that if they hired you for a job, they expected you to have EVERY skill on the job posting. They wanted someone to have 35 years of python experience. To date it's only been out 33 years.
"If that makes sense"
I once told a boss that cutting the grass at his home was not in my job description. He went and pulled out the job description I agreed to and said see this "other duties as assigned" so yes it was something I needed to do. I laughed at him and said other duties as assigned that relate to my job. cutting grass at his house and doing landscape work was not at all related to my job. He told me to do it or find another job. So I went to his house and cut the grass his wife wanted me to use a sprayer and spay fertilizer on the yard and plants. I was in the garage and saw the Roundup weed and grass killer. I used that instead. A few day later he was pissed off and threatened to have me arrested for vandalism. I just said I was not a lawncare professional and I had no idea what I was doing. I told him hell I have lived in apartments my entire life I have never even cut grass before in my life. Well he fired me but I never got sued or arrested.
As soon as any job says "team player" what they mean is someone who will work for free and not question all the extra tasks being shoveled onto them.