r/MaliciousCompliance - Be FIRED or a Take a Big Paycut... Ok, I'll take the firing.
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- I worked for Company for 14 years. I loved working there for 12 of those years. There were 2 main parts to the job. The first part was the "sales" side of things. This was away from the office, in the customer's location. This involved quite a bit of driving (and on a couple of occasions flying abroad) to work face to face with the customers to deliver a high quality product. We weren't the cheapest, but we were the superior product. And I was the best employee when it came to delivering the product. I consistently got rave reviews from customers for my personal style when it came to delivering the product and executing the customer's vision. I got a huge amount of repeat business and I got a lot of new business through word of mouth with customers recommending the company based on their experiences with me.
The second part was the office side. This was my weaker side. I hated cold calling "potential customers" with numbers I found in the phone book. When it came to answering the phone and speaking to potential customers who initiated contact with us I was fine! But I wasn't great at making the calls. This was my only real not-great part of my job.
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I worked at SSI for 10 years and they cut my salary in half. not just me, but almost half the employees in the company. we all organized and quit around the same time.
Is this the same company as OP? Where is your company located?
Is this the same company as the op?
SSI is not a company? That's government cheese.
@@Blighted_Ashes SSI used to make games, most D&D video games
@@Blighted_Ashes SSA is the Social Security Administration. SSI is the benefit they pay people.
The sign of a bad owner: Immediately change the rules of a successful business the moment they gain the reigns. Its not that you shouldn't make changes, but that they have to be in concert with the reality of the situation. The fact that this boss chose to decrease quality and maximize cost tells me she doesn't understand basic economic principles. Its an obvious short term solution for a permanent problem that's actually detrimental in the long run.
Its also a sign of greediness
Its posible she thinks she's very smart when in reality the opposite is true.
She probably needed to pay of her student loans. Lol
reins
It's not even a solution, the business was working, there was nothing to solve.
It was an attempt at maximising profits, which all businesses do, but they went too far, there is a fine line between that and imploding, it seems the new owner didn't realise that and caused an implosion.
You know he was a good worker when he gets Fired and every mostly every one leaves
Right?? Cause if he can’t cut it for her who the hell can…might as well
and he gets a bunch of job offers from previous customers!
Every mostly every???
@@someghosthunter I know!
@@enbininja I know, who writes like that
I'm a business consultant in the IT domain space; one of my company's services is Mergers and Acquisitions. Specifically, we assist with due diligence before the M&A and IT integration afterwards.
I always give the same advice to the acquiring company: if things aren't on fire at the company you are acquiring, don't change anything for a year. A lot of times, you can acquire a profitable company and do NO MORE WORK AT ALL and everything is fine. It's like getting free profits, and even if things could be improved, you won't know HOW until you have good data and experience to make clear decisions.
Yes this is how it should be done but so often companies cite 'synergies' and this will let them lay off half of the employees at the acquired company ( I used to listen to Bloomberg a lot and this was something that was mentioned in interviews/news stories almost hourly )
This is good advice in virtually all industries in regards to management/owner change or M&As. If it ain't broke don't fix it. It's far too common for people to buy existing businesses as a way to "cheat" themselves out of having to build what they _really_ want from the ground up. It almost never goes well.
In other words, if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Yeah what she did was pretty much Murders and Executions.
You shouldn't need to advise not to break something that's not broken. 🙄
I worked at a company for 6 years and one day the owner came to me with paperwork he demanded I sign. It was either be fired or take a $10,000 a year pay cut. I signed it to take the pay cut just so I could have some income while I looked for a new job. It didn't take too long for me to find a new one and only told the owner the day I quit and walked out. That way he couldn't have me train anyone or tell them the passwords to all the servers and left him with no one to repair the equipment I repaired. I could also do the work in 5 different positions in the company, the only one that could and left them with no one as a backup.
I'm always amazed when a company has only one person who has knowledge of certain important systems and passwords. And then the company decided to treat that employee poorly and are shocked when they up and leave.
nice to know other people are also treated unwell like me.
I bet Mr. Slate was sorry he lost you - LOL. Seriously, though, thanks. I'm liking.
In my case I simply got pushed too far while I was working at a convenience store. I was the longest-lasting employee there, as our turnover rate was quite high. I'd been there longer than even the assistant manager, and everyone that had been working when I was originally hired was long gone. I had already been getting pissed off because my schedule had me going back and forth between overnight shifts, morning shifts, and evening shifts, totally messing up my sleep and making me a borderline insomniac, and I'd been asking for months (probably more like 2 years) for some regularity in my schedule, particularly to stop putting me on overnights. That never happened, and I often got the 'You're young, you can handle it' response. But the straw that broke the camel's back was when they did two things to me at once...
The first was schedule a staff meeting in the middle of the day on a day I worked an overnight shift - right when I needed to be sleeping - and insist that I show up when I told them why I couldn't. And the second thing is that that schedule had me set up to work 6 consecutive days, have one day off, and then work 7 consecutive days after that. All that together was such colossal bullshit that I made an angry phone call to the assistant manager when I got home that evening telling them in crystal clear terms that I would not be showing up to that staff meeting regardless of what they wanted, asked them to take me off of night shifts period, and to change the upcoming schedule to not be that disgusting mess of nearly two weeks straight. The reply I got to my demand to be taken off overnights was "That's not why you were hired (as if she, who was hired after me, knew why I was hired)" and the response to me complaining about the mess of shifts was "Oh, that was a mistake. If you'd said something in a nicer tone I would have done something about it, but now I won't." Literally spiting me for getting pissed off about being treated poorly, I was floored. Finished the phone call by saying that my two week's notice would be on her desk by the end of the day.
Immediately started working on it, found out my printer wasn't connecting, and walked 20 minutes to Staples to get it printed off just so I could make good on my promise. The two employees working at the time I walked in and left the notice there told me that they didn't want me to quit, and after I told them I needed to because the place was making me have a mental breakdown they both offered to be references for my resume on the spot. I didn't even have to ask. I was moved to tears, it was the first time I'd felt sincerely appreciated at that job in ages. Welp, those last two weeks were painful with those terrible shifts, but like I promised I didn't go to the staff meeting (there wasn't really any point anyway now that I was leaving), and I found out right before that they allowed another employee to skip the 'mandatory' meeting due to his commute, like my need for sleep wasn't a valid reason...
Anyway, I took some time to myself and lived off my savings for a while before I got a new job, and I found out that three months after I'd quit the manager also quit and the assistant manager transferred to a different location in the city. And the new manager got rid of overnight shifts and actually closed the store at midnight. That news made me feel vindicated; they really couldn't handle shit without me, and my leaving caused positive changes to be made. I'm far from the best at my new job by comparison (still retail, still hate life), but I am better off than I was back then. Just...so much time was wasted there, and I feel it's too late for me to do anything with my life now.
I've seen this, and let me tell you, even the oncoming IT manager coming in, respects the hell out of you. They just don't know it yet, this happens so frequently.
I was working for a dealership as a mechanic. They pulled me into the office telling me that I had to get authorization before I could order any parts. I found this strange, as I’d never had any issues in doing so. So it appeared that someone in the parts department had some kind of issues with me? As I asked for parts that I had ordered. They said I had not ordered them. My boss blamed me and I was told not to let this happen again. I said ok and went back to work. A week or so later, it happened again. Knowing what was coming, (I was in the process of rebuilding 3 transmissions) I went back to my work area and scraped all the transmissions into one big pile and walked out. They were calling me for several months trying to get those vehicles back together. Be careful how you treat people, as it may come back to bite you.
Nice revenge
I did the same when I was a body man working in a bodyshop I walk out and had a tow truck pick up my tool box and bring it to my new shop that I started
No one owes anyone anything. It's a life lesson that entitled people don't have.
After working for a company for almost 18 years they started threatening me and jerking me around. I made arrangements to change employers but "forgot" to tell the one that I was leaving. They didn't like that. They liked it even less when all of their customers moved their business to my new employer. Five years later they were shuttered. Trust your skills. Develop a good reputation. Don't be afraid to take a leap of faith.
I was told when Covid Hit that I had to take a 5 dollar and hour cut. I walked out with my tools after I took all the hardware from a Cat C13 inframe and a 2014 Ram Hemi cam replacement and mixed them in a 5 gallon pale. 😅😅😅
I worked for a big company for over two years (as a contractor); if I named the company EVERYBODY who reads this would have heard of it. Anyway... around the two-year-and-five-month mark, I was introduced to some offshore indian guy and was told to train him in everything I do, so he can be my backup. I knew what this meant -- he was going to replace me. I kept busy for the next couple of weeks to avoid training him. About the same time, they said we're letting you go at the end of the month (a move I was expecting all along) and that I needed to hurry up and train this guy -- who btw, was in india and so was only on for a couple of hours each morning, and of course he barely spoke or understood English.
If I was leaving of my own volition, I would feel obligated to train my replacement. As I was being fired as a cost-cutting move, I did not feel this obligation. So instead, I took my last week as "sick leave" because the agency I was through provided sick time. And the guy got NO training at all.
Sounds like Verizon...
It's even spicier when they give you a DEI hire and you watch the whole company purge of whites.
Reminds me of when I used to work retail; my department was the only one keeping the store in business, every other department was operating at a loss. Our sales made up for everyone else's lackluster performance, all on its own. I was the best salesman in my department, and the most knowledgeable person there; in fact, I was hired on specifically because of my knowledge and expertise on what I was selling, and was hired on at several dollars an hour over minimum wage, while every other new hire was given minimum wage. At the time I was hired, the department was profitable, but only just; I singlehandedly reorganized it to be more efficient AND became their best salesman overnight, to the point that I was given more responsibility than any other employee in my department besides my manager, all despite being a new hire. I basically made my department so profitable that we were the only thing keeping the store afloat when every other department was losing money. Several months in, and I had already gotten one pay raise and was told I would be getting another at the next performance review.
Well, corporate decided that if the store was losing money in every department but one, it must be due to mismanagement and the store manager was fired and replaced with a new guy, who declared to the entire staff that he was going to make the store as a whole profitable, and not just one department. He apparently decided the problem was that experienced employees were being paid too much, and everyone who was making more than minimum wage or was due to receive a raise got laid off, myself included. This idiot literally fired all of his experienced employees, including the number one salesman in their only profitable department, and replaced them with minimum wage new hires with zero experience. And he thought this would fix the problem.
Yeah, he didn't last long, and I switched careers and never looked back.
That... Is almost poetical levels of stupid management
"This company is failing. Lets fire everyone who knows what they're doing." -I'm sure this strategy has never backfired before.
@@archellothewolf2083 lol
@@archellothewolf2083 That's what a college education gets you, everyone uses the same heartless playbook of firing, corner cutting and price raising. If only you could sue the college for teaching you all the WRONG ways to run a business.
@@archellothewolf2083 What amazes me is time aver time this happens and businesses never seem to get the memo and wonder why they go bust.
Ah yes nothing like buy a thriving business that’s been running for 12 years and firing all the well trained n experienced employees than jacking up the prices.
That is correct. That's the way to run a business and be respected by all your staff. ( Sarcasm of course) PS, are you Dr frog in another life.
@@c.a.marsupial.1282 ah yes, I am DR. FROG from another dimension.
I was scientist working on a machine to travel across dimensions, but things went out of hands and my conscious was forcefully ejected into this dimension where i am known as DR. DONKEY.
@@dr.donkey9254 dr frog is the only name I've ever remembered. It's a great name. Thanks for reply.
Busybodies are worthless and only try to justify their existence by changing things. It's like a child starved for attention; any attention is good in their book.
If it was me, I'd kick back and let the system I didn't make bring me profit.
And lowering the product's quality
This reminds me of a time I got called into an office and was given a speech that amounted to "You're brilliant at what you do, you're the most productive person in this office, you could do it anywhere. Now here's a formal written reprimand for a rule that doesn't actually exist, that everyone else in the office routinely violates, so it really only applies to you but will cover my butt if I later fire you." I took the hint and started job-hunting, and spent the next few weeks very publicly complying with the rule that didn't exist. And to this day, the only time I've ever received a written reprimand.
Had a stroke. Started working from home after 7 yrs as an employee. Did my job fine. Boss insisted that I don't work from home. I am an Engineering writer/editor so there should be no issue. But because the people on the manufacturing floor can't work from home it's "not fair". Neurologist only approved commuting 3 days/week (I had to convince him that I wanted to try), so boss had me and 1 other employee (he's 80) presented with a new contract, that cut our hours and pay. I do admit that my programming was greatly affected by the stroke, but my job description does not mention programming. It's just something I do, like training a few weeks/year. I took out LT Disability insurance thru the company, which is based on my last month's salary. Boss said take cut or I'm fired. I handed him a letter, informing him that I was taking disability. Disability without the commute pays more than the cut in pay. BYE-BYE. They can't find a replacement (been 4 months). The other employee is retiring at the end of the summer. He also refuses to train anyone, and has decided that he needs another day off every week. We were the only 2 people left who were able to use a required piece of software. In today's market, his replacement will cost them more per year than BOTH of us made BEFORE the pay cut (market has drastically changed in System Engineering). Screwed themselves by being inflexible, and mistreating their more experienced employees. P.S. another co-worker left and doubled her salary due to the current market.
Damn, I gotta get into systems
I worked for a company that provided outsourced maintenance for many large retail chain stores. Each service employee lived and
worked in their own state and territory. Much of our time was driving to and from the customers. After a change in leadership in the
home office, the company then felt it needed to be more competitive in the industry. To solve this problem, they decided to take money
away from their service techs rather then charge the customer more money. This kept their prices down against the competition. As
technicians, we were always paid by what we billed and we always billed a minimum. The company took that away and now required
that we document our straight time even though we were still were billing a minimum. Meaning they kept the upside. Many times jobs
didn't take the full hour we billed and now the company was keeping that. We were only paid for the actual time spent on the job. We no
longer kept track of our time down to the minute. We had to keep track of our time to the one hundredth of an hour. The result
was not a surprise. Most techs now made sure to use the full hour that the customer paid for. Inside of the first month, we lost at least
35 out of the 80 (very experienced techs) from across the country. I argued my point but was then written up for insubordinate
behavior for objecting to these greed driven changes that took about 200 dollars out of my pocket every week. I was gone inside the
next two weeks and never looked back.
I had a company try to do this to me once as well. I walked out that day and never came back. Didn't even tell them I quit. I just didn't show up anymore.
Never tell them you quit, never do an exit interview, never give notice. They won’t do any of those things for you, don’t do it for them.
Hopefully you started your own business to make lots of money instead of chump change working for someone else.
Sorry, my last day was with the old owners. I didn't sign up to this new company for less money
@@tomcat124us How if your business doing or have you started it yet?
@@red32303 would they give you two weeks notice?
Back in the 90's I worked my ass off at my job. Not like everyone else works their ass off 🙄 , my boss actually built me an apartment next door because I worked almost 24/7. One day the manager told me they were going to give me a 10 cent raise. 😳 That was the day I knew I had to start my own business. My girlfriend & I started a house cleaning business, that house cleaning business grew to 5 businesses, made millions and I sold them before I was 50 years old! Thanks for offering me that dime raise or else I might still be a faithful employee making only $15 an hour!
Man, why is it that everywhere I look, there's bad bosses? At least video game bosses drop loot, these bosses only drop the ball.
Because bosses have personal ambition and don't care for others, just themselves. Kind of like politicians.
The old adage, "Put someone in charge that doesn't want to be in charge and he/she will do a better job because they don't have the ego ambition."
@@lipsterman1 it is much more easier for regular people to force a politician to resign than a boss.
Because no one is writing stories about good bosses. Or if they are, they are either uninteresting stories or they are side characters that get replaced with bad ones, much like what happened in this story.
@@R3_dacted0 That's definitely true, but I was actually talking about my personal experiences, as well.
Good boss videos don't make good content
While attending college, I once worked for an extremely demanding, micro-managing boss for a retail store. She couldn't keep employees very long, except for two of us who happened to be hard workers who pretty much did everything perfectly and could shrug off her treatment of us as "she's just insecure" without taking it upon ourselves. As a result of our work, she regularly won awards for keeping the "best" franchise in terms of cleanliness, sales per employee, customer satisfaction, product displays, etc. All the metrics the chain measured their stores by. We always scored 99-100%, the runner-ups were usually only hitting 95%. She'd proudly post the award on the wall behind the register claiming it was "all because of her skills at managing" and never rewarded us for our part in making it happen even though she received a bonus from the company.
One day, she gave me an instruction on processing some inventory on our system which I immediately questioned, knowing that what she told me was wrong but not wanting to outright tell her she was wrong as I knew she'd get angry. "Are you sure about this? It seems we've done it differently in the past." She said yes, but I still was uncomfortable with it, knowing it would mess up the accounting, and so I repeated verbatim her instructions, "OK, so you want me to (step 1, step 2, step 3, etc)? Is that right?" Annoyed, she said "yes, just do as I ask!." So I did EXACTLY as she instructed.
It was a process that took several hours. At the end of the day, she's looking over the system and suddenly bursts out, "what did you do?! This is all wrong!! It will take forever to correct!" This was back in the early days of computers, where once you posted something, you had to individually correct each entry and it took 5 times the effort for a correction. It would literally take days to correct the several hours of work.
We argued for the next 30 minutes over what she had asked me to do. I again repeated verbatim what she told me. Suddenly she was claiming we never even had that conversation, that she had just asked me to enter it without any specific instructions and expected it to be done as usual. Which was a flat-out lie.
Not needing the job and very upset that she would blame me for her error, I told her "OK, I quit, I'm giving you my 2 weeks notice." She replied, "you can't quit because you're fired right now!" The other veteran employee had pretty much been a witness to all of our exchanges. So I said, "that works for me" and left. Given that she "fired" me, I was now eligible to apply for unemployment. She tried to challenge it, stating that I "had quit". I got an affidavit from the other employee that I was fired "without cause", explaining I had done precisely as instructed but was fired for the manager's error, and she lost her challenge.
The other veteran employee found another job not long after. I made a point to check each year, and the manager never had another annual award posted on the wall behind the register for the remaining years I was at college.
For the month after they fired all the salary employees and before all the customer's left, profit must have been through the roof. The boss could only see the immediate gain. Too bad it only works once.
Meh not so much because you reorder product, then have nobody to sell it to so are sitting on aging stock, which with some medical devices, puts them past their use-by date and are worthless.
@@stinkycheese804
nothing you just said applies to what I said
I'd bet the new owner paid way too much for the business she just bought. Then had to make a ton of cuts because she had to 1-pay normal business expenses and 2-pay the loan she took out to purchase the business and 3-make up for her lousy business acumen and 4-make up for covid losses.
Ya but still not a reason. If you can’t afford it don’t buy it, if it’s profitable don’t change it.
Don’t forget the apparent “spa day” costs.
And the legal fees because of the charges the OP brought up
I worked for a company that I hated, doing a job I despised. But it was 2011, I was fresh out of college, and lucky to have a job in the economy. I wound up getting promoted, working for a 35% pay raise in a different department training for an anticipated contract with another company. This other company pulled the contract at the last minute, and suddenly my training became moot. So they sat me down and offered to let me go back to my old job, but at the starting wage (I had earned two small raises) and working whatever time slots were available, since they knew I lived close enough that I could make it at whatever time.
Anyway, long story short, they offered me this massive pay cut beyond back to what I was being paid before (basically, back to minimum wage), and working from 4 AM to 1 PM, told me "take it or leave it". I told them I'd see them in hell.
I don't regret my decision, even though it took me nearly three years to find another job and I had to be that loser who moves back in with his parents after college. (Because I wasn't going to settle for a job I hated.)
Being jobless for a while isn't a bad thing especially if the alternative is working for pieces of crap that turn back on their word. I've experienced that and they like to play mind games with employees.
@@niccolodeparmapanini2036 i agree. You can't be afraid to leave a job you hate where you are mistreated. These days, employers are hurting. You should be able to find a decent job at a reasonable wage.
No shame in living with parents you get to save up money and is 10x better for your mental health, Never work anaywhere you despise for money it is not rewarding and it only leads you to getting stuck in a soulcrushing situation. When I was younger and I had a shit job I alwayts lined up the day I was going to quit and go on a massive vacation
honestly after 2010 no one is a "loser" just because he had to move in back to his parents - as you said "in this economy" its not POSSIBLE for many to rent an apartment with minimum or slightly over minimum waage (especially since in this years many us-states didnt had any minimum waage or it was like 4$ xD)
You’re not a loser when you decide to stand up to a bully. Also it’s what you do with that unemployed time that makes you a winner. I hope you are still winning. 🏆
Mismanagement Is correct. New business owner Short term Greed.
My guess is that the new owner leveraged herself heavily to purchase the company and needed large returns quickly. Probably didn't go over the books enough to know how well the monthlies and quarterlies would cover her debt. So she resorted into immediate returns tactics, fire the most expensive, lower quality and quality controls and so on. The employee moves are the worst, employees cost so much more than their $/phr cost that usually any savings are lost just in the educating of new employees even long term. Because there is a huge difference in turn-over when you have most of the staff their for years, and when you are bringing in cheap labor.
Agreed 100%. I've been part of one of these new owner takeovers..the experienced, high paid salaried manager was put on hourly wages ...and then had her hours cut below full-time..to deny her benefits like her 3 week paid vacation & company Heathcare..She promptly left for a competitor..
Then the new owner announced that the cash drawer was short $20 - and she considers us all thieves until each employee proved themselves innocent by taking ( and PAYING FOR THEMSELVES !) a polygraph test..
The ENTIRE STAFF THEN QUIT ON HER SORRY @$$..
Last I heard, the new owner lost most of her repeat customers to her competition- where most of her old employees now worked for better wages and much better treatment..
True. ":Cheap" labor is generally more expensive in the long run just from turnover; not counting training. Apparently they don't teach you that "if there's no people to make the stuff, there's no stuff to sell" in business school because this seems like too common of a trend where the first thing to go are people's salaries (and then they quit because there's no salaries).
It is so business 101 that keeping an existing employee than firing and hiring a new one is cheaper in the long run that I don't understand why businesses keep doing it.
@@Maximara In at will employment states the law encourages employers to always be on the lookout for new employees just like employers are now waking up and realizing that loyalty to a company may very well be a dead end street.
@@kyledavis4890 That doesn't explain why when it is *more expensive* to train up a new employee to the *same effectiveness* as the old one why businesses keep doing it.
Sears did this back in the early 80's. Took all the department heads and cut their pay from a decent living wage to min wage plus 2.00$ ... then cut the min wage guys from full time to 24 hours part time. The long goodbye to sears started then.
They treated sales people very poorly, and aside from some really poor e-commerce decisions I think that was about 80% of why they failed.
they were pretty much like if walmart called themselves fancy lol
This almost sounds like a story where the place my uncle worked at for like 30-40+ years was trying to get rid of my uncle or cut his hours and/or pay when new management came in. The thing is under the old contract and paper work of the place my uncle worked for the new management couldn't touch his pay, hours, or let get rid of him just because they felt like it. They was trying to do this to all of the original staff to replace them with young/new people because the old contract/paperwork system was no longer part of the company anymore but the new management still had to abide by the old contract system that was done for the original employees. So all they can do is wait for the old employees to retire, quit, or do something that will get them fired. They was trying their best to mainly get rid of my uncle because he was head of his department with the highest pay and if he stayed there till his retirement time the company would still have to give him a retirement pay or something like that because he was with the company for X amount of years.
This happens all the time. When I worked for TCI cable, AT&T bought them. The day they took over they fired every salesperson and outsourced it overseas. They sold to Comcast in less than two years who brought back the sales staff.
You know you messed up when comcast runs the place better.
This reminds me of one of my first jobs out of high school. I really enjoyed the bar business, so went to bartending school to learn everything from the laws, sanitation, bar management, and mixology.
Most people think bartending wouldn't be a great career choice, but with some training/ experience one can usually get into higher end establishments and make a really good salary.
My only problem was that where I lived there were not any high end establishments. A few higher end restaurants maybe, but they were all several counties away. But I did manage to get hired at a large bowling alley and rec center that had a big back hall where they would host many events such as weddings, sports club fundraisers, etc. That's where the biggest tips came from. Otherwise is was working the front or back bars catering to bowling leagues or those coming in to use the game room, or the occasional band or DJ in the lounge on weekends.
It all started out ok, but as I learned my way around the place I quickly found the owners played favorites with the bartenders, giving some choice hours or better bar locations that typically got more volume and more tips. I also learned that the business only paid wages monthly, with the first being held back until the next month. So 2 months before seeing a dime, other than the meager tips I got.
Then one fateful day about a month in, the cook called in sick. The owners asked if I knew how to run a grill and deep fryer, etc to get food out for the night. Of course I said I could, and that night I managed to handle a far hungrier crowd than usual. I also learned that cooks don't see squat for tips.
The next night was an event for Ducks Unlimited, the biggest event of the year for us, and promising the biggest tips since the members are typically the wealthy and even included local celebrities.
Well, I came in dressed in my best expecting to be flaunting my relatively new skills mixing up manhattans,, layered drinks, rusty nails, and the such for this event. Instead I get told as soon as I arrived that they fired the cook and I was the replacement. Only their favorites would be working the event. I wasn't to quit on the spot, but desperately needed the money. That night I worked furiously keeping up with the food orders, mostly remote orders from the event in back. The only tips I got were from a couple regulars at the front bar, and one guy who came out from the event to order directly. That guy once he found out I didn't get a share of the bartender tips at least flipped me a $20 bill. The biggest insult was one of the pet bartenders from in back stopped by on his break to get some free food from me, and he pulled out a wad of twenties, fifties, and hundreds that he'd been tipped so far that night. Must have been well over $1000, which was astronomical money for the early 80s.
I only worked a few more weeks after that. Once I finally got my first paycheck 2 months after starting, and paying back everything borrowed to survive that long I had basically zero left. After that I just stopped going in and changed careers.
I have bartended at a few places since to pick up some spare cash, typically shot and a beer joints. Still love the work, and yet dreaming to buy my own club someday. I even still tend bar part time for a catering company to keep the skills fresh, but it certainly isn't for the (not so) great salary.
Hang in there.
Jeeze, and this is why so many peeps now are starting to reject pressure to work outside of what they were hired and paid for, cause more often than not it's just a trap to squeeze more work out of you for less pay.
I remember when I left my crappy warehouse job. My manager made a comment saying he would hire me back when I get fired from my new job, and I told him I would rather be homeless than work for him again. The bear plague hit and practically everyone at that warehouse was let go. I could care less about my formal manager getting canned, but my fellow co-workers deserved better. We all had each other's backs and no one snitched. If someone messed up the others would help fix it, and cover. I really like the place I'm working at now, but I can't trust my co-workers haha.
Working in the corporate world made me wish to get back into the military where it was just more honest. That's a sad state of affairs; Im a combat veteran and was more willing to risk death on a battlefield than the constant stress of bullshit bosses.
Reach out to fellow Veterans, we're here to help, don't let that shit get you down.
I always wonder, how do these people end up as business owners in the first place?
More money than sense usually.
I didn't know until I read the comments but apparently people take huge loans to buy businesses. Obviously this is something you mustn't do because most of the time the profits aren't going to be big enough to pay the loan and businesses with big profits aren't likely to be sold so easily.
But it could've been pure greed alternatively.
It sounds like the op company was rock steady making a small profit but the new owner needed to make big profits, probably borrowed too much to buy a company they don't know much about and it bit them in the ass. This seems common nowadays, usually in manufacturing where they go to another country for cost reasons.
Nepotism most likely, she wasn't probably even the owner she is the one sent to manage it but she was flying too high.
Because the concept of a meritocracy is a fairy tale and it always has been
She had no business running a business.
How could a person even question if they're a jerk for protecting their rights?
only nobody questioned if they were a jerk?
The way the business changed reminds me a lot of another company. I used to answer phones for about 250 companies if they were busy or they were closed at particular hours but still needed to be contacted for emergencies(most of the time it was plumbers, AC repair that kinda thing) but eventually a company started popping up pretty regularly on my call list. This company was a medical supply store, typically handling diabetes related items. But during COVID they had switched gears and began advertising hand sanitizer. Companies would order it, pay THOUSANDS of dollars for it and then they’d never get their product. It was a classic scam but because the company never answered their phones, WE got all the angry customers. I think at one point I personally had 14 customers in 5 minutes screaming at me. Many of our employees left because of the abuse from this company and we were begging our owner to sever the contract. Eventually I ended up in the hospital after vomiting blood due to the stress of having to take those calls. It was at this point that the owner finally saw what was happening and sent out a final invoice to this company. They refused to pay which gave him the perfect opportunity to sever the contract and notify the Better Business bureau. I left shortly after due to health concerns but from what I’ve heard that company was immediately shut down and sued repeatedly.
Delicious ending here. You don't want to wish ill on someone but in cases like these, it's a given to do so. She found out right quick what karma really means. Well deserved fate she brought upon herself.
Repeat after me: Constructive Dismissal
Employers don’t want you to get unemployment, so they will often do things like extreme cuts in hours or pay to get you to quit. If they do, review your laws. You might be able to claim they fired you constructively. Get everything documented and you can “accept” the termination and get unemployment.
From second-hand experience (most of my family runs businesses), running a business is hard, but the principles are fairly simple. One easy mistake to make is fixating on cost side of a business. Yes, you can trim fat here and there, but that's best done by speaking directly to the people doing the work. Employees are really easy to undervalue because some owners imagine employees need their specific job more than the owner needs that specific employee.
They think if they cut pay, they'll get the same quality from the same employee, but it doesn't pan out that way. Even if we ignore resentment, that messes up that employee's life because they generally assume that if their performance is stable or improves then so will their compensation. People plan their lives around that, and when you kick a leg out from under them by exploiting your power as their employer, you might keep them but they'll be exhausted, stressed, and distracted while they restructure their whole life.
Employers that do that tend to be the sort that think of any pay above minimum to be charity to be grateful to the owner for. That in mind let's be greedy for a moment. The reality is there are times in which giving a raise can make your business more profitable simply because it helps to stabilize the lives of the people who make up its body. Whether you're the brain, the heart, the face, or the prick of your company, you need that body to be healthy if you want to survive.
Don't be silly. Workers aren't humans, they don't have LIVES! Surely it doesn't matter if you pay them well or not, they need your job so they'll work for whatever you tell them to, won't they? /sarcasm
Realtalk though, we see it all the time. There is always that one business in an ecosystem that is "the best" at supporting their employees, paying a fair wage, and providing things that stabilize and enrich the lives of the people who work at them. And those businesses get criticized and ripped to shreds by those with this kind of "cut them off at the knees" mentality because they haven't cut costs down to nothing in order to maximize profits like everyone else. Whether it works or not usually depends on the location and industry- if the benefits of those stable happy employees are enough to outweigh an entire system designed around "pinch every penny" as a business owner in your sector.
I do a lot of hard work for employers; cover no shows shifts, train others as soon as I'm comfortable doing so, don't take breaks most of the time, have even worked off the clock.
This works initially for me and employers love it. Then comes when it gets taken advantage of and when I eventually leave.
I don't mind doing the things I mentioned but when you rely on it and then decide to do less work because of what I do, you cross a line.
I just need one employer to treat me right.
I hate it when a boss fails their good employees then wonder why they're business is failing
2 kinds of owners/managers in the business world: 1) The Lizard People and 2) The Rest of Us. Once you realize you're working under a lizard person, don't walk away from the job, run! LOL
Damn.. that's f up not the jerk but the new owner is. I feel bad for the coworkers that stayed.
the two dumbest words in history: "you're disposable"
Sounds like the new owner wanted to trade on the name of the original business while cranking the quality down to maximize short term profits. And narcissism.
I worked for a company a few years ago that got sold. 8 months later they missed payroll. I updated my resume. They did it again. I got a new job. The DAY I STARTED the new job they sent letters to all employees, "You're fired. The company is bankrupt. Don't bother suing, there is no money."
Interesting thing, as long as they documented the lower offer then you were not "fired" -- legally you were released from your old job and offered a new job under different terms. You had no legal requirement to take the NEW job offer and it does not disqualify you for unemployment benefits.
This isn’t the case in many areas. Your not required and in some states it goes against state labor board laws to reduce the salary of an employee without a history of disciplinary reasons.
@@knightwalkr I don't think you understood what I said. Per the State Labor Board a "lower salary" is the equivalent of being released and offered a new job. Which you can refuse and still qualify for unemployment. You are correct everywhere - they cannot lower your salary without releasing you. Even for disciplinary issues.
Unless your "in many areas" don't allow "at-will" employment, of course. Because what I said was that legally being offered a lower salary is a new job offer and by definition you are released at the point its offered.
They can't even contest UI, because the "replacement offer" is proof that you were released with no issues.
If you have a contract and are "exempt" then you are in a different boat. You can choose to sue to uphold your contract or not.
A contract is a contract. If the contract stipulates the amount of pay per period and under what circumstances the contract can be terminated one party can't just change that without the others agreement because it's no longer convenient.
@@Margatatials dunno, all of my contracts let the company terminate them anytime they chose.
All the contract term meant was that they could lower my rate when it reset if they wanted. And that happened to me twice.
Funny thing, I just got a raise at my current job and I am back up to exactly the salary I made in 2012, to the penny.
@@redwolfexr where I live thing are stricter than that, where I live whilst it is possible to have contracts where the employer has no minimum amount of hours they have to give and can terminate emplayement failry easily there are still benefits that are afforded to the employee, to make up for that. including a higher minimum wage. but other more permanent forms of employment are far more protected. firing someone as a means to threaten them into signing a different contract with less rights and less pay would be definitely illegal. Also the employers negative reaction to the employee accepting the offer to leave immediately shows that they were in-genuine in the reason's they stated for needing to fire them, and that it really was all about strong arming the OP into giving up their contractual rights.
i had the same thing with one of my jobs, the look on their face when you say ok ill quit, straight face not bothered. they are shocked because they suddenly realise their stupa mistakes
I really like this videos now, even though it's not the actual actor speaking, the way he speaks keeps me interested until the end of the video
A business that is built slowly on slim margins but still grows on profitability is a great business, problems arise when a new owner buys the business with debt, now a huge chunk of what was profit now goes to servicing a bank loan, the new owner sees they are working hard for little return and tries to find ways to make a decent return for their own hard work and risk and a once happy place to work becomes a misery.
If only she had used a calculator before she bought the business.......
@@lilolme69 Exactly, same for people getting a maxed out home loan thinking they can survive on $100 spending money per week, ain't much fun to be had for quite a few years
Trying to build a company slowly on slim margins almost gaurentees failue. You have no capacity deal with problems and no capital to act on opportunities. Working at places that run on shoe string budgets also sucks as they often rely on unpaid overtime and provide little to no benefits to staff. Every company I have worked for that does this has managers who are untrained, micromanage and are often abusive as they have to spend a lot of their time trying to resolve issues with nothing.
If your business's only competitive advantage is price then you don't really have an advatage because it is something any else can replicate.
The businesses that do make it big on slim margins are outliers, are usually bloated with debt, treat their staff as consumable and try to gain a monopoly position in their market. Great businesses are built on strong margins reinvested in the business's capactity, quality and innovation.
@@SurmaSampo I've built businesses that made me millions on $3.17 up to $1000. I'm 56 years old and have never had any personal or business debt. When I started my 1st business with $3.17 I was homeless. In order to make a business work, one must be smarter than a door knob, and most people are NOT smarter than a door knob. The most I have ever put in to a business to start it is $1000. I retired but started up another really small business with just a couple of us (to keep us busy) and I started it with a whopping $150. Luckily, I'm living the dream!
@@lilolme69 I am happy for your seccess but statistically what you have done is improbable regardless of how smart the business owner is.
I am howwver concerned regarding your distain for the common man combined with your apparent assumption of your success as prrof of your superiority to others as a person
I am guessing that ethics and laws may have freely disregarded in achieving your success? Care to mention the kinds of businesses that made you rich?
"Mismanaged poorly" wouldn't that be managed well?
The incompetent new owner made it easy to move on w/no remorse
My brother, your story resonates so close to the heart! -I am in my 40s now, so back in the 90s I uses to work for a company of courier services (God knows those barely exist now) and just like you, I put Years of my life into that company! To the point that my route had become the V.I.P.s And, most expensive customer's! Eventually something similar happened to me (a new owner came in, we were going to be transfer to a new building) but everything else remains the same! Two months later the "new manager" decided to give me a new assistant to shadow me and "learn" from me! (I immediately saw the writing on the wall!) So, I started researching how to start my own courier company (witch to my surprised, it was less than $1,000 dollards) So, I put my plan into motion. I delivered what was asked of me, but when the opportunity came, I told my so call "assistant" to take the new packages to the car, I informed [MY] customer that I would be leaving the company soon, however it was because I was starting my own! (Then, I would hand them [MY] business card & I would guarantee them a $1.00 cheaper amount per delivery and, that I (the person whom has been doing these job for the past 6 years) my self would personally deliver their business needs! (After so many years and good reports, why would they doubt me?!) Well, I successfully secured 90% of my route! -Best decision of my life!
Do you have my platinum chip?
What country are you in?
Im quite certain that's illegal in most countries
@@zrspangle big business moves tho that what his previous company gets
@@sociallyinadequatefilms8534 yes, but advertising your company while working for competition is not legal
This is why I never spend more than three years in any job, and never stay at a job where the business is being sold to a new owner.
I just had to hear the rest of it till the end. Really an Epic outcome and I think it was mismanagement. The previous owner didn't want to lose you, you were offered a choice of staying with him, I would have considered that choice, really hard to find good management these days. It seems that even when you keep doing the right thing, as long as there's a conflict of interest with the management, business will always fail. It's clearly not you that was the problem and I don't think I would have handled a situation like this any better. 14 years tenured in that bussiness, did she ever think why you're still with the business? Sadly, I don't think she realized that until it was too late.
Sadly, she sounds like the kind of manager who NEVER understands that it's her fault.
Reminds me of several companies I worked for...new owners were the smartest person in the room because they had money...well their money dried up and they went broke but all of us that left did very well...Karma sucks when it runs over you!
Same here. I worked for a beverage company and we used to pedal sells all the tractors and calls. I literally went from $100,000 a year to about $45,000 a year because of a company moment. Oh because I am not stupid I stopped working for that company. They no longer exist they were bought out by a bigger company that treats their employees like slaves.
In the end, when you are an employee, you are dispensable, like it or not, we are all "at will" employees. The only people that have protection are people who are members of a union. Being competent doesn't guarantee sustained employment. Even top producers can be fired, laid off or demoted for any reason or no reason. My best advice is always have enough money saved to last 6 months to look for another job. If you feel you have been wrongfully terminated, you can talk to an attorney and if they will take the case on a contingency basis, you can decide if its worth the hassle. Never hire an attorney that you have to pay on a wrongful termination case. Your company has attorneys on retainer that will run up your legal bill and never settle.
I started working for a restaurant when I was 25 years old. Worked there for four years and I was up for promotion. They didn’t give me the promotion and hired someone that never worked for the restaurant chain. They hated me the first time they saw me. They for some reason was put in charge of pay raises. Minimum wages were raised the year they started at the restaurant. I expected my wages would be adjusted like everyone else. NOPE! No wage adjustment! I complained and was told deal with it or quit. I told them “go fuck yourself!” I had put up with so much crap that I was on the fence thinking of quitting.
took a 10% pay cut that lasted 3 years during the "tech Wreck" of 2000. Many of my coworkers were laid off and out of work for a year. Looking back, it was the smart move to accept the cut. I earned it back and learned new skill set during that time, which prepared me for a great job.
It was mismanagement. The new owner was obviously priorizing greed over quality. And considering the product was already the most expensive in the market. For example you have a product that costs 100£ but has top quality, but now it costs 200£ and has medium quality, the alternatives that have medium quality cost 50£.
I've been fired more than once. I've also abruptly quit more than one job. I think it's more beneficial to be fired. Depending upon your state, the reason you were fired, and length of time with the employer prior to being fired; you generally can collect unemployment compensation. The length of time you can collect unemployment varies, but having some money continue to come in for the next few months while you figure out what you're going to do next, is better than leaving a job abruptly and not having any source of income.
After 25 years at a tier 1 automotive supplier, and numerous promotions, I was singled out for scrutiny. Held positions from entry level to mid level management for this corporation, with 80,000+ employees worldwide. Basically...I knew my job.
1 manager turned on me after he singled out many, many competent employees. HR seemed empathetic towards me, but refused to address his actions. So I quit. This was in 2008. No big deal, it's only a job.
My wife still works there, so I still hear about the drama. BTW... they sent that rogue manager to anger management 4 times, and subsequently fired him years ago. Not much else has changed there, employee relations wise.
There is very interesting technology in the automotive market, so I miss that. But it has become so cut throat that I am grateful I am gone.
My opnion on this video? Respect is earned. Protect yourself, without slipping into excessive retaliation.
Not really your job to punish. After the drama has subsided, let it go.
My wife once worked for a very successful herb company in Boulder, Colorado back in the 70s, but when they hired an "efficiency expert" who started changing all the rules, got rid of all the benefits and turned the business into a hostile workspace, their business fell off to the point that within a year they had gone bankrupt. From profitable to bankrupt all because of an "efficiency expert". Not very efficient.
Been in a very similar situation. Worked for a company that was flourishing, management change, then new management wanted to micro manage every detail of qualified technicians, and replace them with lower pay/quality workers and temps. After I left 3 other maintenance personnel and the maintenance supervisor left. The company was one of the better in branches in the US, and is now one of the ones the Original company is carrying on its back just to keep it afloat
As a woman, so much of this behavior of abusive management sounds familiar.
The fact is, the new owner is the business. The new owner is incompetent, so the business can only fail. These types of incompetent people have zero ability to change.
Very intelligent to have recorded that meeting. Definitely NTA.
Im a Mechanic. I work on everything from small engines to heavy Machinery. I was working at this fleet maintenance company for 9 years. The owner decided to retire and his kids had no interest in the company so he sold out to someone else. It was still an okay gig. I spent a bout 5-10% more time on jobs than book time but I had no come backs so they left me alone for the most part. Then Covid hit in 2020 and the new owners panicked. Our Boss came out with new employment contracts and told is we were all taking major pay cuts and to sign on the line. Our complete second shift accept for the apprentice said no and we all gathered our belongings and started leaving. Our boss couldnt believe what was happening. Even the owners couldn't believe it then begged for us to stay but we didnt listen. Most of the other mechanics were working someplace else the next day for more money. Me I started my own fix and repair shop and im making more than I ever have.
If I was president, cold calling and door to door sales would be illegal.
I would have told the owner that I would have to contact a lawyer regarding her trying to extort me into taking a minimum wage which was below what even McDonald’s was paying. Then I would tell her that her “ gross misconduct” claim was invalid as I had no previous warnings in 14 years and firing someone requires a paper trail which they didn’t have. Then I would sue for libel since they were trying to make me look bad.
We got offered a pay rise... But we would get lay off's when work was "slow"... So we said "sure, do it."
1 year later the office decided that they were going to enforce the lay off's to get revenge on us who took the payrise..
This was the big downfall as the General Manager locked in 12 weeks of lay off's to make his number work for the pay rise and equalise his numbers for wages... Except he had no asked the sales manager about production targets for the orders we had... We had orders that required 16 weeks of overtime hours. (extra 4 hours per person.. or 8 hours extra per day for 16 weeks.) When the lay off's were locked in. (union enforced this as the GM had insisted on it.) The sales manager said "we need the overtime hours.. If we fail to meet the production targets.. we will be fined for non-delivery!" The lay off's were attempted to be reversed by the GM.. But the union took the opportunity to point out that once he locked in the first persons lay off's.. He could not recall the lay off's of everyone that had to occur. We loved the extra 10 days holiday. the union paid us while we were laid off. (so no workers lost money...) We failed normal production targets for 24 weeks, This was because in the first week of the lay-off schedule... We had a major breakdown on one machine, we took parts from the secondary machine and got it running again. week 3 of the lay-off's we had another breakdown and another stealing of parts from the shutdown machine. Then was the lay off weeks for the Guy who lubricated all the machines every day... Well, they never arranged for anyone to do the lubrication those two weeks... When he returned to work.. Nothing as working. EVERYTHING was ceased up and broken. it took 3 weeks to get everything repaired.
Suffice to say we missed the usual targets for a months production. We failed 8 contracts for delivery and after the 16 weeks of lay-off's we ended up on 20 weeks of 12 hour shifts instead of 8 hour shifts. We ran into the Christmas period trying to catch up on normal product targets with overtime hours into the next year... During pay negociations The Union suggested that they remove lay-off's from anything that the GM could do. The Sale's manager agreed to the deal and that is the first year we had a full year of 12 hour shifts to catch up on orders. Workers made a mint in wages against the lay off's that the GM tried to "scr*w" us with...
TL;DR : GM tried to lay off all staff for 10 days (over a few weeks) and ended up giving us all 12 hour shifts to catch up... for 50 + weeks.
I have worked at a couple of places that got bought out, half the staff let go, and the company tanked
I'll just share my experience like this, I'm currently employed at the automotive industry for 22 years now but before that I myself was a board passer as nurse I never practiced being a nurse after graduation but as I actually got a well paying job as sales representative in a small company selling and dealing medical supplies from common drugs to huge equipments for a single person to huge clinics. It was good for 4 years getting my pay grade higher each year plus commission per customer and our company being successful every branch opened each month that a huge corporation in medical business offered our boss a huge offer he simply couldn't refuse, he took it. Then a 6 months transition happened coming a new management came in then everything went down the hill from employees getting fired, bumping the items prices up, overstocking items, slicing commissions to only certain percentages, regular customers leaving and any known cross cutting expenses imaginable and me quiting after two months. That company only lasted for 3 years more before getting closed temporarily for another 2 years before that corporation got a buyer, selling it to a much cheaper price down to 15% from when they bought it, losing millions.
From then on I'm happy that my former company is going strong to this day as it was bought by a co-op of many former employees and including the son of the original boss.
My Dad was a contractor who built custom homes. There were often gapes between jobs. That was when our family would take vacations if possible. It also meant that the workers would work on other jobs for someone else. My Dad didn't want the hassle of hiring union carpenters even though they are great workers, they are often inflexible on what they are willing to do. We did everything "soup to nuts" on a job. So the solution was to pay regular carpenters and other tradesman an above union wage, even though it "hurt" the bottom line of company profit. But we had very few issues or call backs due to the quality of our work, which comes from having quality workers. We never lacked for quality craftsman wanting to work for us as we treated them right and ended up with a pool of qualified workers to call on for new jobs. This is something most modern businesses are ignoring, thinking anyone can do the job. Many are run by finance companies that are looking short term profits and shoot themselves in the foot by under-paying employees. If it is a family business, they want the business to succeeded not the profit, profits come with success.
Had a company tell me that in 90 days it would determine if I was to get a raise . Infomed them that in 2 weeks I would let them know if I wanted to continue working for them and how much of a raise I expected at that time !
The company I was working for hired several inexperienced people for the sales department ( because they were cheaper). Time later and as a result of this bad move many old customers did not renew contracts and the number of new clients was almost zero. This situation created a financial hole that ended up cutting half or more of each department. In my department, I became the only one that survived the cut, but they did not raise my salary a bit even when I was doing the work of three people. So, one day I asked for a raise and the owners did not want it. I kept working until one day I was fed up and I quit without notice as in my country that is allowed. The owners panicked and asked me to stay but I gently declined as I already made up my mind. One of the owners called me twice and even one of them knocked on my door almost begging me. Every time I say if they want me back they must either reduce my working hours by 15 minutes per day so I do not need to run to college or to receive a generous raise of my salary.... but all times they say that was too much for them. The last communication from my side was either to accept my request or do not contact me.... but they insisted for around 5 months. Happily for me when I completed my Degree I send them an email indicating that now I am more expensive .... they finally stopped.
“You’re a person and you have rights, so make sure you always use them because too many people died trying to protect them” so for that reason not a butt hole on ops part
He's not the jerk in this scenario. She was evidently in way over her head; I've seen it before. My first job was in a restaurant, and they hired a lady as manager that had been floating around manager positions at different businesses (it was never her fault that she didn't work out in these positions.). I think she lasted about six months. I was 17 and I knew more about running this place than she did at 35.
It sounds like she wanted him to take the 0 hour cont act so she could just fire him, anyway. I suspect that she fully understood the 12 notice requirement. Some people are too ignorant or arrogant to admit that some people might know more about the industry than they do.
I was in a situation kind of like this, I worked for Duracell back in the day when it was union. They pretty much shut down the plant and booted the union out. Then in a few years they opened it back up, and I was hired back. It was nothing as good of a place to work at without the union, though. I was given a testers job where I tested thousands of cells to make sure they worked. I was the hardest worker and usually tested 10 to 12k cells per night. I always watched my totals, then all of a sudden my totals went down, it was recorded that I was only testing 6 to 7k cells per night. I told my supervisor, and we set up a trap for the thief of my totals. It was the second shift supervisor stealing my totals to make his shift look good. Once we caught him he went on for a couple of weeks then wrote me up for nothing and said if I got wrote up again I would be fired, so I told him he could kiss my ass and I quit. I wasn't going to take that kind of treatment. My supervisor tried to talk me out of it, but I saw that me and the second shift supervisor just were not going to get along. My supervisor gave me a letter of recommendation and I went to another place making more money per hour and was a much more enjoyable place to work. They actually did me a favor, Duracell had to hire 2 people to take my place lol, so it costed them a double salary to piss me off. Because no one else could do the totals I did. After a year or two though they shut down the plant forever and that A hole on second shift lost his job lol karma is a bitch.
Definitely handled the situation like a pro! I actually have something that's somewhat similar going on right now. Worked for a company for over 7 years but just like you an ownership/management change totally changed the entire work landscape for the worse. Was eventually dismissed illegally citing a flimsy data security violation and am going a case I filed against them.
I was told that I wouldn’t be able to change jobs within the company for at least a year. I quit within the month and got hired at another job after my two-week notice.
work at a company for 6 year, was one of the more skillful worker in my department. the first 3 year was ok but after they change the management the next 3 year was like hell. they hired unqualified person to handle my department, a useless person who lied about his application and brag bout it. for 3 year they expect my department to run on 100% with 50% man power with a useless department leader. i quit since i get sick easily at that time my body need rest. the fun part about all this is i was covering for that useless leader so after i quit everything falls apart, the leader quit without even following procedure after about 3 weeks😂 some of my bud that still works there say my department just barely surviving and at 1 point they wanna re hire me🤣.
If it's not broke don't fix it
I had a shocker of an employer who couldn't retain staff ... he had me do a lot of jobs for which I wasn't trained and then, after the probationary period, offered me a contract at TRAINEE PAY.
I am a qualified graphic designer with a trade certificate, numerous industry diplomas and a degree in industrial design. He had me do manual sign writing on a huge banner - which I had no experience doing, but still managed to do quite well - then he took it down and folded it up on my day off.
When the client unfurled it, the paint was not dry and pulled off where it was folded.
As the owner of a sign-writing company, he should have known how long it should have been allowed to dry, but he blamed me.
I chose to not accept the contract at trainee wages and left. The people at the employment agency told me that he had tried the trainee trick to EVERY employee that they had sent.
The next two jobs for which I applied all contacted my previous employers and all but this person gave me a great reference. He bad mouthed me and told PROVABLE lies to them.
I was able to supply evidence to them that his claims were false, but the jobs had both been filled by the time that had happened.
The next job to which I applied, which was in a different industry, asked me for my work history and I simply omitted this job as it was only for 3 months.
When they asked about the gap in my employment record, I lied and said that I was just on an extended personal sabbatical.
It worked out fine, but I hate that I had to LIE just to get past this road block.
Not a jerk at all as it was your right plus best employee for 14 years proves and provides evidence that you weren't a bad worker
I was an IT field guy, my boss sold his interest to a former employee. The guy's tech knowledge was pretty good but his interpersonal skills sucked. When I was working out my notice I had several of his customers ask me if I could continue doing their service because they really couldn't stand him. I had to decline since my new job was one county over in the wrong direction and I couldn't guarantee an acceptable turn around time. Last I checked he folded.
My experience was: "You need to hire these specific types of people." I said I wouldn't do that, I would only hire the best people for the job, so eventually I got removed from the job all together.
The new owner was greedy and arrogant and payed the price for her stupidity.
What I don't understand is where the original business owner was in all of this. If he valued this employee so much as to try to take them with him, you'd think he'd be just a phone call away to fall back on during all of this. He obviously can't do anything about the part of the business he sold, but is moving really that bad compared to two years of this?
Sometimes being sacked is the best thing to happen to you.
My father was recruited to work for NASA and was given specific goals that were to be accomplished. He did a fantastic job and they congratulated him, however they asked him to cut his work force in half, which he didn't want any part of and left to go back to his previous company as an eastern seaboard vice president with a raise.
Why do some people think that the employees are pices of furniture that can be moved or thrown out with out any consequences?
Got moved to another department after making the boss look like the fool he was. Well I only assisted, he was doing the most him self. Prior to that I got threatened with being fired for being 5 to 10 minutes late on a couple of occasions. I pointed out that I worked many double shifts and had over 150 hours saved up (300 hours overtime) in the last couple of months. And I asked him to tell me if I did a bad job? 'No. It's exemplary. I didn't do misstakes and learned faster than anyone else'. Go figure!.
The most psycopathic twist in this was that I was asked to help the other department that was understaffed for the moment. I said that I could help as there was dip in the production at my department. I got over and suddenly relized that I forgot to ask how long I was lended to them.
So I asked my boss:
'How long time?'
'Oh?! It's permanent!'
'Then I'm not "lended" to the other department! That is called having a different job!'
'That doesn't matter. Does it? A job is a job.'
'Then I put you in charge of emptying the trash! That's a job! Doesn't matter'
We were not on the best of terms :)
Who would put this up expecting to be labelled a jerk?
This reminds me of a sketch I saw online before. "If we just fire everyone who works for us, we won't have to pay them anymore so we can ONLY profit from this, it's just that easy!".
I went through the same thing…exact same situation. They sold out to a Capitol investment company and boy of boy. They really screwed things up. I consistently did solid work. Got left behind financially and they were outsourcing so….there it was.
That's crazy! It could have been a purposeful move. I could see a competitor company buying out the better company if they have the money. Then ruining the companies reputation.
That is a constructive dismissal. You will be owed severance.
Sounds right. This is the business attitude of almost ALL AMERICAN BUSINESSES!
I got fired a week before my job was scheduled to go away after being sabataged by the other workers in my position fighting for the one reminding spot. I took it as a pay raise. Good job stimulus.
My first major company I worked for sold their business to ADT. ADT couldn’t just absorb us as we had technology that was beyond what they could do. So instead, they proceeded to layoff half of the staff in my department and move the vast majority of our customers to our sister location in another province that were more specialized in their roles and thus customers had to keep being bounced around instead of having one person that could help them.
We had never been the cheapest company, but we had excellent customer service so that’s why customers liked us. Many of them left in droves after ADT made that move.
When we were trying to renew a major contract, another guard company who knew they couldn’t beat us went to ADT and bought just our security guard division from them. This meant that our monitoring station and our guard division were technically owned by different companies.
The company we were trying to renew with essentially told us “We love you guys, but this is getting way too confusing.” Not to mention the guard company that bought our division has a terrible reputation in the West.
So they went with a company that severely underbid us instead.
This caused the whole Western office to get shut down without that contract. All because ADT was completely incompetent.
Here's a Thought, what if this new owner was skimming off the top and embezzling the money that the employees where making when selling the products.
If your company fired you that is called “constructive dismissal” and they now owe you compensation
sounds like she was just unbearably ignorant
I have never heard a better argument for unionizing.
How can you let all the people go who know ... I seem to recall there was once an electronics & appliance store chain that did just that: replaced all the knowledgeable staff with new hires. This chain us defunct. Meanwhile, a competitor that does provide repair services & etc. continues.
A lot of people hate the saying “cut your own nose to spite your own face” but hell yeah. I choose happiness every time, and more importantly respect. Employees are just as important and some bosses think that we’re slaves. I became my own boss, and certainly have shown the up most respect to my employees, well feels more like family now. WE ARE THE PEOPLE!!
I used to work at a pizza store delivering food. The place was extremely busy and the owner ended up selling the place to retire, it only took the new owner 7 months before losing all his regular customers and any new ones only ordered once before realizing it wasn't worth it. Funny enough the new owner had owned a pizza place along time ago which had gone bankrupt and now he did the same to another store