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First time here. Would be nice to see video on the unemployment filing experience. They want you to find a job ASAP. Due to theft ? Tons of checks and balances . Outdated search systems. The workers there OMG. From one trauma to anther. Thanks for your work.
@@sanle7515 I believe all electronic communications are being recorded. Private conversations are allowed to be recorded in some states with only one persons consent. In other states it requires both parties knowledge. For example, when someone leaves a voicemail they KNOW they are being recorded so they have given their consent. And you can use that in a courtroom as evidence. If you secretly record someone with a hidden camera or recording device in a location where they think they have privacy, or they believe it's just the two of you, depending on the state, that is not admissible in court. Silicon valley is in a 2-party consent state It's one reason I prefer a doctor appointment in person and not over the phone. Doctor patient confidentiality goes out the window as soon as your appointment is done online or by phone Every ZOOM meeting, online learning, court appearance, all of it, was being watched by the Chinese and they were gathering more data on Americans per day than the NSA does. Anything that can transmit can also receive. The Ring doorbell is apparently easy to break into and watch people inside their homes. I'll never understand people who want robots or smart devices in their homes It's bad enough already with these cell phones.
I would posit that we no longer have a true capitalist society. If you look at the definitions of corporatism(or mercantilism), those would be the closest to what we're currently living. And it's global, which means we're all in trouble.@@derekprospero
@@dannylaza1326 Neah, don't be nervous. Everything will be alright. It's just the way the economy is. Vote out the democrats and it helps. I promise you that. Plus food and gas comes way down when Conservatives are in office.
@allthingsnm354 Unions can also Bargain away your assured rights in a State with a Contract, like mine did. Oh they also sent paid political campaigners to my home to tell me how to Vote, paid for with our Union Dues. Because of 2020 the Current Administration in the White House told our Union and Our Company they did not need our consent for our new Contract, they gave away so much for our department it isn't funny, I can work 16 hour days 7 days a week and not get double time, ALL other department get double time after 48 hours. Our department gets 40 hours sick and kin care, ALL other departments get 96 hours of the two. Well time for a new contract and time for a new Administration that doesn't sell Unions out, time to switch political parties
@@stevensola3361Yes, I have had negative results from a union as well. If you think about it, the primary goal of any organization (including unions, companies, governments) is to survive. Second is to thrive (aka make a profit and expand). Organizations will prioritize these goals above all others, even if it means selling out their members.
This gal is brilliant in the debate. She does not just accept the BS. It is lovely to see someone stand up to this outrageous assault on her talent and integrity.
Unless she filed a lawsuit against them and forced them to release these alleged poor performance numbers or call their bluff, then she absolutely did just accept their bullshit.
It’s literally useless. Chances are the HR people had no role in the layoff. Leadership makes these decisions. I love how everyone blames HR when they are just the messenger
Amazon tried screwing me over on an injury. We were about to hit a big safety bonus the next day after I hurt my shoulder and my manager told me not to go to medical and sent me home for the day, then he disabled my badge. I tried clocking in for 3 days in a row and couldnt. Then they marked me as a no call no show and terminated me. When i was able to prove all this to the judge, i won my unemployment case. The judge was pissed and said some stuff to HR. Fuck you Dave and fuck amazon. Started my art career and im making way more money and im way happier. And im my own boss!
I was forced to resign due to my company trying to get me to skip safety protocols for years. I had text proof and pictures. I went to HR told them I had to quit because I was forced. Went to unemployment got denied cuz HR lied . Appealed and won. They appealed and I won again. I sued with coworkers and now on Friday we are going to a settlement meeting for the 2nd time. Play stupid games win stupid prizes
Sounds like your looking to get paid without working. You were the type of employee to complain to HR and then you quit and somehow got unemployment anyways, and now your trying to get them to give you free money because that is what you wanted from the get go. whatever, you do you, but I am sure the company is completely happy with their decision to get rid of you. After you sue them, they will just be even happier your gone.
@criticalthinker420 oh your mistaken I'm part of 4 employees but I guess all 4 of us were looking to get paid and justice system is rigged in our favor? Why so mad stranger? You def seem like your mad about something. Did your company shutdown cuz you didn't know how to run it? Bankruptcy? Lose it all? Lmao. Maybe you should lay off the drugs pothead.
@criticalthinker420 Read again 420 I quit because I was forced to. They didn't fire me. I had to quit because my job which you have no idea what field it's in was trying to get me to cut corners and disregard safety protocols that could have endanger myself and the public and so I was forced to quit. Next time read 420. They are settling to avoid getting arrested Genius. You sound like the guy who does whatever he's told even if it's illegal and than when the company gets in trouble they fire you the scape goat. Lol. The employee's under me loved me because I protected their life above all. I'm positive the small company I worked for will go under after the lawsuit. Not everyone is fit to run a company.
I had something similar happen to me. I took my former employer to court and won as well. Definitely hold employers accountable and never let them get away with breaking the law.
Funny how they want you to give 2 week notice when you quit and if you dont you will be deemed unprofessional yet they can let you go at any time for BS reasons. Some wacky shenanigans if you ask me.
It's unfair. That's why I always snap photos of and read the fine print to see if it is AT WILL employment. Most retail and food service is. They can fire you at anytime without a reason and you can quit as well for any reason without notice. I gave a week's notice out of courtesy and had one boss act funny but I told them about the at will policy and they looked annoyed that I made sense and they didn't need nor deserve two weeks notice for a cashier position they can fire me whenever. I watched them fire someone after that person came in for their shift. They clocked in and started work, were called into the office and let go after they traveled all the way there in the cold and rain on public transportation so they can go to H-E-double hockey sticks.
@@michaelandrews4783 yah ...unions aren't what they used to be. They are more about dues then actually helping workers today. I am sure there are good ones but the ones I had to join didn't give a crap about anything but getting money. Nobody where I worked liked them are the rep who never even came by to talk to us. Fricken joke man.
I tell my undergrads all the time, loyalty is a one-way street. Your company doesn't care how much a termination will upend your entire existence. No matter how many extra hours and sacrifices you make, they will happily ruin your career, your family, and your life if it saves them a nickel, or even, nothing. Keep your skills current, your professional networks up to date, and your resume ready to go.
You are amazing for doing that. So many people, MANY, stay in horrible places because of a loyalty or guilt feeling. I always tell people, companies are not doing you a favor. It is an exchange. You are providing a service and are getting compensated for that. Period.
She hit the nail on the head when she said "Why don't you just be honest and say you screwed up and hired more people than you can pay instead of this bullshit excuse."
Because laying off has different monetary severance requirements than firing. They're trying to shirk their legal responsibilities to the employees they're letting go. This wrongful dismissal is legally actionable. She should have used the courts to teach the employer a lesson in responsibility.
@@dguy321 What exactly is "legally actionable", getting your feelings hurt? The insanity in 2020 led by LIBERALS is what caused these companies to hire like crazy to meet aggregate demand. Because of the WILD increase in M2, along with the ripple effects of ridiculous min wage laws, inflation spiraled out of control. I have no love for tech companies, especially because they're so "woke", but numbers don't lie. This fragile generation of "lovers of self", is disgusting.
@@lanadecker8800 It's according to what she was selling. I had a friend that was hired by Caterpillar to sell heavy equipment. They put him on a good salary. A month went by and he hadn't made a sale and he told them he probably shouldn't work there because he felt guilty. They said no, hang in there. Another month passed and no sales. He was freaking out and they said "Don't worry, that's how this business works." A third month passed and then one morning they told him he needed to go home and pack his bags because they were flying him to another country that was building a new interstate. He was there for 3 months and made the sale. His commission alone on that sale was 2 million dollars. After that they said you can now quit if you like and congratulated him. Ha!
One thing I've learned over the years in working with a major finance company with a HUGE HR dept is this: HR is NOT there to protect the employees. HR's sole purpose is to protect the company. HR is NOT your friend.
HR does payroll, recruitment, and paperwork involved with hiring, and firings. And advice managers do they dont accidentally cause large fines to the company when employment laws are violated. Why would anyone think they are advocates for the workers?
@@danielch6662 They aren't generally, but really in a sustainable company they need to be. How a company treats employees is a factor in recruitment of talent. Companies that treat their workers better can much more easily attract and retain top talent. As such advocating for employee treatment is an important part of HR as it has positive effect on recruitment.
Just about 5 years ago, I got laid off from a long-term job. It was in person, with my manager and the HR director. The first thing the manager said was that it wasn't anything to do with my performance, and that the decision came from above him. It was tough, but at least they were honest. Good on her for pushing back against the BS.
@IgorBosnjakfx sandwiched between two major holidays. I suppose you ignored that detail. She only had two weeks of full on production. The HR folks here are being dishonest and are potentially walking the company into a lawsuit.
@IgorBosnjakfx you have very strong opinions for knowing so little about the situation. I think you might have a chauvinist aversion to female confidence and/or you're just a company man who loves big daddy?
@IgorBosnjakfx whoa pal, you're changing horses in midstream. I barely pushed and you completely fell over! Just a few minutes ago you were reprimanding her for having a bad attitude, now you're conceding she was good standing up for herself??!! And because you asked, I'm a veteran infantry Marine - separated 17+ years ago honorably. And I'm now a licensed electrical contractor in the Midwest. And actually, I do stay in a basement most of the time when I'm not out and about... It's called my man cave! 😂
@@geofferypmeyersright?! I prefer to here they changing the dynamics of the company, or unfortunately they no longer need a certain amount of workers, but stop lying and say it is the workers fault. Just be honest. The company making changes and that is it. 😌
Can I just say that I really admire her communication skills? I stutter and stumble on words all of the time. She's in a high-stress, high-emotion situation, and she's speaking more clearly and confidently than I do casually chatting with friends. That's an extremely valuable soft skill, one that's hard to acquire if it doesn't come naturally. Cloudflare's loss
Agree, she seems like she has potential. But Cloudflare probably discovered they can hire offshore remote workers to do the same job for 1/10 the cost...
Frankly, if they are this blatantly lying to their own employees, then how honest are they being with their clients? Why should anyone trust this company at all?
Well. In this case, cloudflare is the world's primary anti hacking web site securer. If you have a web site, you either use them or you have no security since no other company in the world is able to do what they do. None of this makes them right in any way, but nobody with a web site has any choice but to use them. Not using them is an automatic death sentence for your site.
I completely agree there being deceptive. Why is it so hard to simply be blunt, just like Bryan worded it. Were all professional adults here that understand that businesses have metrics to meet. Plus layoffs don’t affect stock value on the company on contrary it benefits companies so I don’t understand the logic of being deceptive which now opened them up to a PR nightmare and potentially a discriminatory lawsuit.
I agree. I was laid off right before Christmas because the contract that I was hired for fell through. But they were honest about it and even asked if I would come back if they got the contract after all and I said yes. They didn't lie to me, I am an adult and understood it was not personal.
I used to work for a really great data company that was purchased by IBM. Our company was decimated over the course of 5 short years, and then the remainder was sold for pennies compared to the purchase price. What i learned is that these companies are a revolving door, desperately trying to prop up the illusion that they can still offer a value proposition to customers. IBM didn't care about our expertise or about improving our product with the use of Watson. They just wanted to look like they cared about this particular industry, sell products that weren't fleshed out, and "resource action" employees to cut costs. Companies like these don't value real expertise. They will pressure older employees to retire early. It's just a mess and all barely legal (if legal at all).
Honest to their own clients.....interesting perspective. One company made a habit to overcharge the clients on all project quotes, and at the end of the year, all of the left over money in the project accounts was divded up for the fat cat bonuses. How's that for trust worthy.
My husband did not work in HR but was in a position where most of the time he was told to fire someone. It broke his heart. He would come home in tears and be sick to his stomach for days…he doesn’t work there anymore.
For me personally I would love to see more companies who do these kind of new hire layoffs (reduction in workforce) exposed for how poorly they are managed. None of this had to happen had the CEO and C-suite execs "read the tea leaves" and not ramped up hiring when other tech companies are doing mass layoffs in 2023. To me this shows all the verifiable signs of extremely poor business leadership and decision making. And in my view the wrong tier of employees are being laid off.
First, you are never going to argue your way out of being let go. That said, getting the HR person to state the reason(s) on audio or in writing will help for the lawsuit that you should definitely file. The way this was done was shady. They framed it as being fired for underperforming when it was in fact a layoff. Where I live, people who are fired don't get severance and can't file for unemployment (which the employer pays for), while people who are laid off must be paid severance and can get unemployment. I suspect the reason they tried to say her performance was lacking was to avoid the cost of severance and unemployment. Get a lawyer.
It doesn’t matter. The fact that you still don’t grasp that they’ve been having employees sign paperwork on day of hiring that days your job can let you go WITHOUT CAUSE at any given time. You sign that to be hired meaning NO YOU CANT SUE WHEN YOURE LET GO. THEY CAN LET YOU GO FOR ANY REASON OR NONE. This is bc sometimes, MOST TIMES, the employee has a shitty personality and no HR rep is going to tell you that your energy is killing the vibe in the office…so they always use the ole under performance excuse. Bc they know they are protected either way. This clause has been active for 30+ year. Good luck wasting ur time and money.
@@DrLauraRPalmer It absolutely does matter. Your employment might be at will but that does not mean they can legally terminate you for any reason. If they terminate you without cause aka laying you off, you are eligible for benefits (severance, unemployment compensation, etc). They cannot legally misclassify your termination as for cause("performance metrics") to deny you benefits.
There needs to be a law that any company that laid off workers in the last 12 months can't give executive bonuses. If they cant afford employees then how can you afford a executive bonus?
Like the whole thing is that you’re the boss and you’re supposed to make sure everyone under you knows what they are doing. If they aren’t then who’s really underperforming??????? MAKE IT MAKE SENSE
Tha amount of times i’ve been throwing into the fire no real TRAINING. But then all of a sudden they want to fire me but i’ve never been told im doing a bad job?? I hate everyone
Yes! Because if an ENTIRE team failed, it’s whoever is running the business unit from the top down! THEY failed to set expectations and communicate metrics. But nothing will happen to them because the whole thing is BS, made up reasons to improve the bottom line without regard for the people who just signed new leases or turned down other offers to work at Cloudflare. It’s so upsetting.
I learned this lesson 18 years ago. I was fired for being pregnant, when I had just been awarded “Employee of the Month” a few weeks prior. I sued. I proved. I won.
People say the employee fired ruined her future career prospects uploading this. But actually, she is holding these companies accountable for taking advantage of people.
Both can be true. I have sympathy but knowing she’s gotten praise for recording company meetings without consent and releasing them publicly, would you hire her?
It's great content for us but I am on the side that recording and uploading this is going to hurt her future prospects. Not a good idea. Always protect your interests!
As someone who’s been through this exact thing - the employer is stating that it’s performance, because if they layoff due to downsizing, they have to pay your unemployment benefits.
I see this all the time. Why is it so hard for people to understand that of course the company is going to try to characterize this as a performance issue, because if they call it fired for cause then the company does not get charged higher unemployment tax rates. Follow the money! Of course companies will lie, they are directly compensated for doing so. The entire unemployment benefit system is a corrupt mess, and it hurts most the people who can afford it the least.
This woman didn't sell anything or make any money at all for the company during her time there apparently. Pretty sure its performance based and this is just an entitled brat who tanked future job prospects because of main character syndrome.
I don't think that's true in California. According to the state website, it doesn't matter if you get laid off or fired as long as you don't get fired for misconduct. I don't think under performance falls under misconduct.
Also in California You pay UI tax based on the amount of employees you have. That money goes into a fund that is used to pay unemployment for layoffs or fires
These are 3 rules that help keep me grounded. 1. As an employee should show the company as much loyalty as they show you. 2. It's just a job. It's not who I am. 3. You are only a number so don't take it personal. Btw she completely destroyed them.
Agree except the end. She didn't destroy anything but her own hirability for a while. It was a SALES job. She wasn't selling. She was less than 6 months into the role and presumably still within the probation period. Out of 1400 salespeople, she was in the bottom 40 and was let go....nothing personal. It has ALWAYS been this way in Sales. Full Stop.
Surely, if the company had an issue with her performance, then she should have been let go the end of her 3 month probation period, so that reason given does not hold water.
I got laid off during the pandemic. It was by my manager and he was honest and upfront about it, didn't try to bs or anything. So when things changed 6 months later at the company I was rehired and we had a good working relationship. I even brought in a former coworker when we had a position open up. Because of that, when I eventually left for a different opportunity, I was happy to take a few phone calls from my previous coworkers when they had questions that didn't get answered when I was handing over my projects. It's not uncommon for you to run into people you know again in the industry so it's best to treat everyone well.
Well, the reason for the layoff was undoubtedly legit, so telling you the truth wasn't a problem. When they refuse to give you a valid reason it's because they're doing something wrong and they know it.
Simple. It’s transactional,nothing more not a family They are NOT your friend no matter how long you have been there they will hire you right away and do the same at firing you. A side job or savings for yourself as a backup is key as u genuinely CANNOT & should not depend on ANYONE BUT yourself.period.
@@ms.nicolediasgreene3841Exactly. I do the work you give me money. sounds transactional to me. I’m tired of people acting like this isn’t just a job and i’m not just here for money. When employers ask well why do you want this job? I tell them because i need money tf why does anyone get a job 😂😂😂😂
In the UK if you're called I to a meeting and HR are there, you are within your rights to walk out, so that they have to rearrange and you can bring in a colleague or union rep.
Interesting. Is that a Union thing tho or blanket law? Because here in the US it is the same thing but for union workers where you can get union representation anytime you suspect ANY disciplinary action as the result of a meeting. And this is a Federal law that companies have to wait for union reps, so the company cannot say no.
It's super nasty how the HR lady repeatedly uses the phrase "how you feel". Because it's not about how she feels, it's about her rights. She's trying to diminish her rights by re-labeling them as her feelings.
It's the corporate version of "who hurt you?" Meant to dismiss any issue with a blindly confident "I know this is really about something else, not what you're saying"
No regard for their employees what-so-ever: You're just a number. My heart goes out to that young woman, her former peers and all of the others who are in line for the corporate Fascists and their lackeys who treat people like they are taking used receptacles to the Recycle Bin. And if most all of it ends up in the dump anyway, is no real concern to them. Not really. They can say what they want, but the noise of what they are actually doing drowns that out their evasive utterances like white noise. Anyone with a sliver of compassion would leave that position at the first opportunity. Anyone with a sliver of a bran would realize "If they'll do that to them..." and leave that position at the first opportunity. But no, they are there to get paid to do what they do. It's their job, glorified custodians that apparently manage to sleep at night, but I don't see how they can. They have to at least know at some level that the same thing can come back an hit them, at least in a "karmic" sense.
As a Gen-Xr i've been dealing with this "CRAP" my whole working career. What I learned was, 1. No matter how much you think the job will last... it won't. 2. No matter how friendly they are, they will throw you under the bus in a heartbeat to make a little more profit. 3. Never get comfortable always be prepared to walk out the door at a moment's notice. 4.Be very frugal with your money because they always like to ambush you with a lay-off when you least expect it. 5. always, always be actively looking/ talking to other employers and have your resume online and ready to go when its time to pull the trigger.
Understand that HR isn't about "BBQs and benefits" as much as they'll present an oh-so-friendly demeanor. They exist to reduce their liability to you (all employees).
My late wife worked in HR at an Outdoor TV company when they decide to layoff a large percentage of the company employees, she came home crying after having to layoff people she knew personally, the worse was she had to layoff a husband & wife the same day, she left that company shortly after due to her lack of respect for the upper management - as for me I have NO loyalty to any company I work for, my loyalty is to my paycheck!
Sorry she felt she had to leave shortly after firing a husband and wife… is anyone courageous anymore to say NO!!!!! I’m not doing that!!!! This is why this is so pervasive in our country- everyone follows orders and just keep the wrecking ball in motion.
He needs to stay out of HR. They are the most evil organization I've even seen or heard. I worked for the unemployment office once, and have seen everything... including the internal communications. Their sole job is to try to prevent costs, such as lawsuits and unemployment. Nothing more... and they have practically sold their soul in how they do it.
I wasn’t laid off, I was fired. But for completely BS reasons. They claimed I was making mistakes but not proving to me that I made those mistakes. I wish I’d had the nerve and education to fire back like this. Good for her.
I worked for a huge bank. They fired people left and right. whole departments would be gone in the blink of an eye. There was a management guy in a cubicle near me and he had been there 20 years - one day I came in and he wasn't there. He had been let go. There was a group of people who got hired and then let go 6 weeks later .... the bank said they changed their mind about the new dept - too bad for you. So all those people gave up other jobs to work there and were unemployed 6 weeks later. The way companies act towards employees is disgusting.
your livelihood hangs from the whims of a clueless group of executives who make stupid and unpredictable decisions to please shareholders, often unsuccessfully. work for yourself
@@momoneyinvestingIf they're foolish, the business will fail. Should employees not be allowed to leave a company unless they document a bunch of problems and go through a big process?
@@nwatson2773no if you work for American companies in a decent country even then American companies tries to do this and often they get sued big time. It’s actually happening more often than not now. American companies suck period.
Having been laid off via mass email last February (worked at the company 9 years when it got bought by an overseas investor), watching this video gave me the sense of closure I’ve desperately needed. This girl said so many things I wish I had the chance to say. Thanks for covering this!
I hope you are doing good I wish the best a better future but it’s sad nowadays the corporate world it’s very harsh and I don’t know what was yuor job but tech sales it’s hard it’s very difficult and demanding very it’s not easy money
It had nothing to do with you it’s them they have their own motives to let you go that yu never know yu did a great job believe me when a company decides to let go of employees they will let you go regardless how hard yu worked don’t take it personal I know after 9 years secured job it’s awful feeling sorry but it’s going on all over look into videos of this how companies sneak treat employees
A mass email is heinous, but at least it’s impersonal. These people were blaming the employee for poor performance, as if it were personal when her only mistake was in being a recent hire when they were told to layoff a certain number of people.
I’m proud of her for not being afraid to speak up for herself. She called them on their BS. Praying she gets a solid job that loves, values, and respects her.
Maybe if we spread the truth about working in HR wide enough, people will stop applying and the entire concept of an HR department will vanish, leaving management open, exposed, and unprotected from the wrath of the people they have so consistently wronged.
I'm in the U.K. One thing that is ABSOLUTE in this country is that HR is there for the COMPANY. They are not there for you. Before going to HR, and this should be your last resort, make sure you have everything logged and written down. As sweetly as they may smile, their job is to protect the company.
From day one, take photograph (no screenshots, photograph with the Iphone) of everything shady, everything weird. In 80% of the time people will have no problems, either on the employee or company side, but in those 20% dodgy cases, 10 or 20 photograph can bump the severance by few thousands, or win the court case. After all, all communications are supposed to be documented so it is not against the law.
oh that is pretty much the same for over here in the states. you do something like complain about sexual harassment it is to save their asses if they do anything.
HR is the same the whole world over. But USA corporate culture is even less human - and therefore more ruthless and more stupid and more hypocritical - than other countries.
I was onboard with her until she admitted to not making any sales. Now I question the legitimacy of everything she’s saying. I don’t see how you can be in sales at a company and expect to keep your job if you make no sales the entire time you’re there.
She is still in probation period the 90 days. She still has accounts ready to close. Companies i worked for don't expect the numbers until after 90 day probation period.
In Australia this is called "churning" an illegal practice with stiff penalties for the employer. It is well known in tech companies. Rapid turnover of new staff in a secret agreement with a recruitment firm.
I was once asked to reduce a department by 75% because the company’s revenue had dropped by 50% and costs had risen. I told everyone that the criteria was first in first out, but outstanding members would be highly considered. The process took just over a month. Everyone was given a glowing reference letter, and was told that they would be contacted when the business recovered and we were hiring.again. Everyone understood the situation, most left on good terms, many accepted the offer of employment when the company overcame its problems. The key is to be honest in the hire and fire. Good and loyal employees are hard to find.
Do you mean, last in - first out? Or were you actually firing the longest term employees? (Not that that means anything, sometimes the long-timers are less efficient and more resistant to change, just clarifying).
The longer they were with the company, the more likely they were to stay. You tell them what the criteria is for letting them go. You let them know it’s impartial and no way reflects performance. You will be welcomed back once profits change. You give them a glowing termination letter. It is critical that former employees are given confidence once they are terminated, and not dispair. This termination could have been handled much better. Treating employees like this has a record of hurting the company’s productivity and reputation
I got laid off for taking too much time off. My parents died 18 days apart, and I took bereavement leave. I was allowed 5 days per but only took 3 days for each parent. I loved the shocked face of the HR person when I thanked her for laying me off so I could settle the two estates. When I explained what I meant, she sat there with her mouth open, looking stupid. She had no idea what was going on. Same thing as this company, they hired too many people in anticipation of a contract they didnt get. Cowards! Own up to your mistakes rather than blaming somebody else.
So sorry you had to go through that experience. At least they are together again. One of my employers I will speak highly of in regards to this topic was my time at Nike INC, my grandmother passed and I was not even aware we were allowed bereavement time for it, but multiple managers above me encouraged I do so after I mentioned it as reason for my spaceyness that day. It’s no surprise that most places are not like that but I’m glad you got a little bit of “fuck you” to them being shocked at your reply
Also i love how UNPREPARED hr was for her questions. Take notes guys. If someone is going to be cold, callous and gaslight you, at least give them a little taste of their own medicine!
It's not HR's job to be prepared or knowledgeable. HR is a group of hitmen, they perform firings and reprimands, that's it. HR people are purposefully kept in the dark in order to not reveal anything that would make the company culpable at a later date
@@AspiePilo82 you can defend yourself and ask questions about your termination. Nobody said you have to record it and post to the internet! Re read the comment as it was clearly focused on her asking them pointed questions 📖👓🤯
I was told by a public school HR manager that I was encouraged to write a letter of resignation (because I violated no ethics codes they could not easily fire me), but warned that if I did not resign they threatened they would make my work life a living hell. I wish I had recorded that meeting.
I love how she is defending herself. This would be unheard of in my day. Termination with cause can also effect Unemployment benefits. Hope she fights it. Remember 1980’s early 1990’s they did this to people who gave 20 years of their lives. Never trust a company to be there tomorrow.
But putting it on social media was a real dumb idea. More and more companies as part as of a background check are doing a social media check. If this video comes up most prospective employers are going to trash can her resume/application.
Great question! why can't they just tell it like it is ... do they realize how ABUSIVE this is? They are essentially gaslighting people, telling them they are incompetent and underperforming, just to avoid any chance of taking responsibility for their own incompetence. That is devastating to an employee who deserves much better!
It's the old abusing 'you're not good enough' tactic that destroys self-esteem of competent people😢 this is abuse! 2 against 1. Power imbalance! Such a bullies.
I find it really odd. I have been laid off five times. Every single time, the meeting was with my manager and an HR person. My manager has explained that I am being laid off and the reason behind it. Every time has been because of restructuring or similar company decisions. So the manager explains that and then turns it over to the HR person who goes over the logistics. How to turn in company equipment, how severance works, how COBRA works, applying for unemployment, etc. The only reason I can think that they would lie about performance would be to get out of unemployment. I don't really understand it, but if been told that they don't pay anything for your unemployment, but it does count against them and too many it starts to cost them somehow.
@@tedthurgate It makes you wonder, since it appears that they were laying off a ton of people, if the company was worried that the amount that they pay into unemployment insurance would go up.
@@zenobia10127 I am not certain how it works, but I THINK that the more employees you have claim unemployment your cost for unemployment goes up. It isn't one to mean, meaning you have one employee claim it, your rates go up, then a second they go up more. I think there are tiers. And by you I mean the company. What the company pays to unemployment goes up. Employee contributions don't change. Companies can get rid of anyone at anytime for any or no reason except they can not discriminate based on protected classes: gender, age, race... So they run reports to assure that there is no pattern to the layoffs -- not predominately old people, not predominately women, etc. Maybe these guys thought it would be easier to just tell everyone it was for cause. But, if they don't have the receipts they are opening themselves up to litigation. Especially the CEO coming out publicly and saying it was for cause. If that makes it harder for her to find a job, she can sue for defamation. She might win, she might not but the reputational damage and the cost of defending against it just isn't worth it.
I had a friend laid off after 27 years with a company. 27 years and they discarded him like a piece of trash. Luckily he was smart with money and a good saver and investor.
They hire you to do a job. I would say working 27 years at one job shows a great work culture. Also, good for him. If he had work 27 years and not been financially stable he would have no one to blame but himself.
@@MrTwenty6point2 Everything you said is completely correct, but they’re all very silly points to make in response to OP’s comment. Laying someone off without notice after 27 years may be a perfectly prudent thing to do, but it’s also a bit heartless
@@MrTwenty6point2Staying at a job for 27 years isn't a result of a "good work culture", it's due to being stable employment that provides health insurance. People stay in government jobs forever for the benefits, not because government is a great place to work - on the contrary government environments are very toxic.
@@SurpriseMeJT I agree. I sold my soul to a government job to afford treatments for an extremely pricey autoimmune disease. I’m not sure what the point to even being alive is anymore.
I'm glad to see your take on this video! Other TH-camrs are attacking her for being "sensitive" and "entitled," but now that I actually watch the full video and your explanation, her former company was being absolutely shitty. I was let go many years ago out of the blue after I just passed the 3-month probation period, but at least they were honest about the reason being the company was not doing well, and the CFO was willing to give me a good reference. It sucked that I got laid off but I'm glad they didn't lie to my face or gaslight me about my performance.
I think my key takeaway was "you're not being singled out". You mean my whole department is under-performing? Why weren't we put on performance improvement plans? Is the whole department being let go because a manager failed to meet their metrics?
HR in this case serves to purposes. One, to make sure the manager assigned to drop kick all these employees to the unemployment line doesn't say anything that might cause the company to face additional liability, and two, to answer any oddball questions pertaining to the separation process that the random manager has no idea about. Listening to this two p-foot around the subject, makes me believe the guy he is practically fresh out of college and has zero experience with laying people off. His tone and verbal language just comes off as very timid. Which is likely due from lack of experience dealing with these type of things. Imagine this scenario. You get a job as a entry level manager for the corporate office. You expect to push paper for the rest of your life. You barely have learned your login credential to the systems and you get called into a office meeting. You are then handed a list of employees who you are told you have to separate and that HR will be on the line to assist. You then jump on your first meeting with an employee and learn the name of the HR representative helping with the separation and learn they know about as much about this as you do. All you are told is that the separation are due to failure to meet job expectations. Nothing more and nothing less. And if anybody pushes back on the company line, you direct them to speak to HR ... after the meeting. Joking not joking. You want a life in corporate America for life, be the volture who can fire people like a gunslinger shooting targets. You need 200 people fired? I'll have that wrapped up by lunch. Does that cost saving equate to a higher bonus for me?
Used to work in HR. They fire you as opposed to laying you off because if they fire you "with cause" you aren't eligible for unemployment. "Poor performance" is the major reason for "firing" someone in these situations. If they lay you off, and all of you collect unemployment, their unemployment insurance premiums go sky high. It's all about money.
Not selling anything isn’t “for cause”. It’s just performance at that point. For cause is fighting, stealing, insubordination, gross safety violations, etc.
An old employer tried to suspend me for three days over Christmas, after Moving the Goalposts so that I would never succeed: overlapping negative evaluations and evaluation periods with no end in sight. So I resigned with Immediate Effect, the Unemployment Office ruled it as a Constructive Dismissal and I got Unemployment Benefits that supported me until I re-enlisted a couple months later.
I live in the US, in WA state. "Failing" at a job is not cause. You can still collect unemployment. "Cause" has to be either an illegal act or a clear direct violation of a company policy. It's very rare to not qualify for unemployment pay if the company let's you go.
Absolutely, their is no reason to work for a corporation. A number on a page is all you are, if we know anything, it's that NOTHING matters other than PROFIT. Especially you. Stop applying and start local.
That’s what you get buying into big corps, and big titles for your instagram and tik tok. A sterile letting go of. Small biz will always be the backbone
I found while WORKING here in the last 40+yrs that the ones REALLY Working Hard are held to a higher standard than those who don't. Belonging to the Group that brown noses around often Ineffective "mismanagement" even gets you repeatedly 2hr breaks.....AND YES....some even SLEEP on Duty in front of the Camera !!! I'm NOT Lying here !! Worked 15 of my 19yrs in Miami DadeCounty Jails.....just remember...you have to be from the fitting culture,color too !!!! German Immigrant to Florida 40yrs ago. FORMER RN 😊😊😊FORMER !!!
When that happens, remind them that they did not answer your question. Then repeat the question, and if they still are not giving you an answer, ask to speak with someone else.
@@judyheller"you'll be hearing from my attorney" is what HR should be told in these cases. Give them a reason to shit bricks knowing they've just potentially exposed the firm to litigation.
This lady is bright, articulate, and incisive. She'll have no problem finding another job. In my opinion, she's too good for the worms at this company. Their loss will be another company's gain...
@@sillysailor5932exactly. its a business, not a charity. imagine paying someone 16 times and they have generated $0. and their last contract fell through…
As a career auditor my advice is to keep records of everything. I keep records and information from my audits that aren’t confidential, I keep my staff’s evaluations, I keep my performance evaluations, I keep shout-outs from other directors when I go above or handle something well, I keep client evaluations to show that I do good and add value… It won’t protect me from being laid off, but it does support my job performance if I’m ever gaslit into a poor performance evaluation. We are all just disposable resources. Nothing more, nothing less.
I do as well, I even keep the ones after I leave the organizations, just in case they don’t remember my outstanding performance. Is always good to have documentation to back up your resume.
I went through this 20 years ago at AT&T after that I rented a retail space and opened up my own small buisness doing taxes and bookkeeping, I worked hard and I am financially secure and could retire tomorrow if I wanted too. I would rather shovel snow and cut grass self employed than ever work for these heartless soulless companies.
An employee invests a lot just accepting the job in the first place. Often they move to a new location, maybe buy a car, rent an apartment, even buy a home, change a relationship to physically be there. They turn down another job or leave other employment for what appears to be a better opportunity. When fired for some kind of cause, all their security in the new situation vanishes. Now their health insurance is gone and that is a giant perk few understand. The question "Why were you let go?" will jeopardize new job opportunities.
OMG!! I Have sooo much respect for you and what you did and especialy what you went thru and rebounded with VICTORY on your side. F-'um if they cant take a joke. soulless heartless! YOU nailed it. Tons of respect and appreciation !! Maybe someone else will take a lead in their own lives, when they read this, than put up with this totally heatless bullshit.
Same here. I worked for different company’s and got laid off twice sucks. Now I’m in the chip and snack business I’m my own boss started servicing two stores and now I service 40 accounts. Started small but I build my route in 2 years.
If your company would hit the fan and you will have to sack them all, what would you do? :D be souless and tell them exact same busllhit, there is no good or bad guys here :) just people who get fired and people who don't :)
Loyalty is a two-way street. Although it’s can reasonably be seen to be harsh for an employer to suddenly terminate their employees, the employees can easily do the same.
If your boss says "hey we're all family here" immediately correct them "NO we are not. Family doesn't fire you at the earliest convenience. Family doesn't fire you even after your death. We are just here to trade our time for a little money, and that's all there is to this job. We are not family. We're employees."
Once you leave the negotiating table, you become a statistic on a payscale to be cost-managed. From that point on, it is HR's (and management's) job to psycho-manipulate you into higher productivity without additional pay. If using the word "family" motivates employees to work harder and not leave the company for higher pay, then so be it.
best layoff experience I had was with a non HR person. He was the new director of my organization. He flat out said HR was going to meet with me because he has to let me go. He has to get his cost down… he stated he has wrangled with this for months trying to not make this call but he can either let three other people or just let me go. As much as I loved my job his answer made sense. I didn’t feel betrayed. I cried of course but I wasn’t angry.
@@MsElke11 yeah, but it’s the way that the company does it that leaves a bad impression with former employees. If the supervisors seems apathetic it makes the entire company look bad. The guy in the comment sounded compassionate, at least.
When my mother, along with a bunch of others, was chucked out the door for 'excessive age' her direct supervisor nearly blew a gasket. The excuse they used was 'we don't need your department at that plant, so we don't need you.' 90 days later they hired a fresh out of school young lady to staff the now re-opened department. HOWEVER Mom's attorney said: "YES you have a great case for age discriminations BUT the deal they are offering is health care for LIFE!!" In the end said health care covered Mom and later Dad through multiple bouts of cancer over multiple decades. THAT was expensive!
Healthcare for life isn’t any severance I’ve ever heard of. COBRA benefits suck ass - companies should have to cover all of the cost while you are on unemployment.
Had one job 30 years ago, where at the Christmas party I am praised by CEO and received standing ovation and had great year. Went on holidays, came back & told I screwed up & laid off.
Exactly… Also I get as a new hire it’s horrible to be let go, but at the same time I feel like she’s acting like she has been at the job for 35 years and actually closed contracts 😂 and is just meeting some randos 🤷♀️ companies pay u- they aren’t your friend or family, that’s why they pay u 😂
Huhu but jumping from company to another company at age 20’s might be okay, but past that age, not that much job people want to hire tho, especially in office work related. Atleast in my country area.
At one time I was working in the O&G industry, my team had an impromptu meeting one day with the HR representative in the area. She laid off all the staff. At the end she was laughing at us until she got a phone call from higher HR and he told her that she was also on the next bus. This put a smile on my face this day.
That is a common occurrence. They often pass the job of laying staff off to someone who's going to be receiving the same message in the not too distant future. I suppose, to their mind, it minimises the 'stench' that lingers...
No idea, some people are sadistic like that, or maybe it was a kind of reaction, as she already knew that she will be the last one on the list. I don't care anymore.
This baffles me. My first layoff was similar. It was a small company/start up. I was devastated. But the remaining coworkers and the ceo reached out personally and helped us find jobs. I wish other companies follow this.
@@MojofoeTrust me brother, they could give you examples all day long and you would still think it's bs cause at the end of the day you're gone. And you know what, sometimes it is bs. Just take it on the chin and start applying or go on vacation. No need to be dramatic about it.
@@The-Entelechy what she’s doing isn’t drama sis. This is putting them on blast and holding them accountable. Things don’t change when people are passive and allow others to treat them like a trash can. If that’s how you choose to live your life then blessing to you. And ACTUALLY he couldn’t give any examples because he started stumbling all over himself.
After corporate hears this recording, the HR department needs to be fired next. After 30 years of being over an HR department, this is not the way to handle this situation. Tell the truth and pay the unemployment claims. Who would want to work for this company?
How is a company gonna say you’re fired because of performance, but not be able to IMMEDIATELY produce data to back it up!?! How is that NOT wrongful termination!?!
@@jimbojones9118 They didn't have to give a reason. But they did. That's the problem. If they had said "we're moving in another direction, bye" that's a consequence of at-will employment. No reason needed. Once you make a claim about performance, you're open to being questioned about it. And that can lead to consequences, especially if you're violating employment rules. At-will isn't a "get out of discrimination free card" for example. I'm not a lawyer, but I know this topic well enough to know this was a risk.
Gen X guy. The last company I worked for, ended up firing the whole 3rd shift! One of the guys that worked third shift and had been there for over 25 years, was on vacation! Our one HR person was this cold fish of a woman, straight lied to me. After working there for 5 months without missing a single minute of work, I went home on a Friday and found out I was terminated. Because they didn't have the guts to tell me that Friday, I ended up leaving my tools at work so I had to go back to get them. I was pissed to say the least. Gutless wonder of a witch. I have a strong work ethic.
Why can’t these companies just say they aren’t meeting their performance expectations? They hired too many people, they invested in the wrong strategy, they’re not ramping as expected, they’re existing a particular field? Why do they tear down the employee and try to make them feel worthless? Ugh!
Because they expect the employees they are laying off to be idiots and blindly accept the fact that they are being let go due to performance reasons. This way, the company can pay a tiny severance (or no severance at all).
So they don't have to offer severance, job placement services, or an option to rehire or post into another internal position. They close the door, lock it, throw away the key, and burn all the bridges to the door. But clearly the company is on notice that no one in their right mind is ever going to want to work for them.
No one in their right mind is going to want to work for Cloudflare, the premier online cybersecurity firm in the world whose stock price is up 93% over the last year? Cloudflare is forecast to grow earnings and revenue by 28.9% and 21.9% per annum respectively. EPS is expected to grow by 38.9% per annum. Return on equity is forecast to be 19.9% in 3 years. Account Executive makes $94k/yr and enterprise account executive is $149k/yr.
@@obcane3072 🤣 Bro, do you work for Cloudflare's marketing department?? You're quoting a bunch of shit that helps the people who own stock in the company (i.e. the wealthy), or people who are connected in such a way to be able to land your quoted executive jobs (those related to the wealthy). This is about normal rank and file workers, getting screwed over by a well preforming company. If they are doing so well, why are they firing that woman's whole department basically? How good a company is preforming on the stock market isn't a consideration most people use when wanting to work for a company, as many companies maximize their profit margins (and therefore their stock performance) by doing things as cheaply as possible, and the main overhead in any business is personnel. Pay, benefits, and how easy it is to leave without too many entanglements are the mains ones with today's workers, so they can try to at least maximize their most likely limited times with said company. Who do those companies pay to maximize their workforce with the lowest possible investment? Middle managers, who get a bonus based on the performance of those under them, usually some dumb ratio such as hours worked per employee. Ever work in retail? They'll ask you to grind your ass off doing "mandatory" overtime, just to cut everyone's hours to under full time when they can sucker enough young people into working for them to do so. The general store manager gets the quarterly bonus for maximizing the place's profits per square feet, and the employees get to walk on eggshells even worse then office/skilled workers.
They are saying that. The problem is that it's a lie. If it were truth they'd have performance metrics with them (at the very least they will have already been compiled into a document, and do not need to be generated after the firing upon request), she would have been told about poor performance in the past, and she'd have been put on a performance improvement plan. Not sure what law is surrounding redundancy in this area, but she is being made redundant and they do not want this to be the official reason, probably for legal or financial reasons.
@@heinzerbrew That seems like a scheduling issue. Why would you not schedule time to explain why you're firing people, in between all the people you're firing? If anything, perhaps HR needed to be fired, for poor performance. I'm about to upend peoples lives, with zero notice. They have rent/mortgage, bills, their lives likely depend on making steady money. Yet you don't schedule atleast 30min to discuss how you're potentially leaving them homeless and their kids hungry?
In other words, HR is not going to allow the conversation to drag on for a useless rebuttal. Terminations should be short. There is not much to discuss in the mind of HR.
In other words the HR department doesn’t know and they’re not willing to give her any information. I’m really happy that Brittany recorded that conversation.
Going back some years now, however this is worth sharing. Worked ten years in this one role, no lie, the company made $20 million dollars on one of the patents I generated and commercialized. At the (last) Christmas party, my boss told me he saw me as one of the department leaders and to expect good things in the year ahead. Fast forward two weeks later.....I get a call to come down to the main CR, he is the only person in the room, and there is an envelope on the table. I sit down, he says "that is your last paycheck, and I don't give a damn about your kids or your dying dog". Thats pretty cold and brutal from some one who told me all good, just two or three weeks earlier. He ended up getting fired himself. And then he tried to get hired where I was....I went straight to that hiring manager and blocked him from getting that job. I had others there too who knew him and also blocked him as well.
@@mishavinogradov7320 my company is quite small and we only have 1 HR lady, who joined about a year ago. She’s awesome. I could never join a large corporate company like this though, where everything is so robotic. After watching this I feel extremely grateful.
The worst is when they make you feel like a criminal by making you get your stuff while watching you and walk you out the door as if you’re going to cause an issue.
They wanted me to send all ‘their stuff’ back, all my tools, laptop, phone, parts. Maybe a pallet of 200#. Manager cut in and said he’d come get it. Gave him 2 work days cause the next was rumkye trash day. Came on second day and got a laptop wiped a phone they bricked, all my parts and SHITTY tools! He would us to buy harbor freight tools. My personal are big red, yellow, and Bosch. He never inventoried it, but me yup and pictures of his truck
A local company where I live laid off a 25 year veteran manager without severance and without cause. When he got a new job, they went after him for getting a job within the same industry (he signed a non compete 25 years ago). He was in IT and had to work as a truck driver for 2 years before getting back into his field. These companies are ruthless.
Wow, this is definitely giving flashbacks. I was fired from a job that I had been at for 15 years while I was laying in a hospital bed the day my FMLA ran out the only difference is that HR was not even present. My supervisor called me on the phone while I was in my hospital bed and told me that I no longer had a position with the company. I was shocked my nurses were shocked, considering I worked for the company that owns the hospital I was in. When it comes to layoffs and being fired HR is not there to protect the employee, they are there to protect the company and enforce the supervisors wants. I feel really bad for the young lady in this video
She couldn't understand why she was fired She was a salesperson with 0 sales in 4 months? Why would you fire someone like that? She was good in meetings. Very valuable skill.
I LOVE THIS ENERGY! that "YUP, i'm gonna stop you right there.." is what employees need to start giving to these employers who belittle and disrespect us day in day out.
Completely agree. Sadly many employees won't have the words to follow that. People freeze, get choked up, jittery, nervous, depressed, angry, all kinds of emotions that will inhibit their ability to handle this as well as she did. Some people (ok many people) are bad at communicating clearly while suffering such an experience, let alone controlling or concealing their emotional state. Some can however, and as we see...they do.
If you want the aggravation, knowing you won't really get anything back for it? -- And -- you need to have a point. Because the HR person could actually be smart - this one didn't sound too informed.
I am in middle management and since a re structure last year I am excluded from all financial decisions, people hiring and firing decisions and it’s so bad, if I didn’t need to pay my mortgage so my kids don’t live in the street.
Long, long ago, I was advised to never befriend or speak willingly with any in HR. They will take anything out of context, betray your trust and turn it against you.
At minimum you should be very very careful if at any point you're being asked to take part in a meeting where anyone from HR is present. My former employer learned very quickly to not involve HR with me directly because I will verbally go after and destroy HR if they open their mouth, easy enough since they know less than zero about actual productive work. Any meeting with me and HR just became me trashing HR and being right, so it wasn't "productive" for them heh. I've been recently terminated, but apparently HR refused to touch it so just my manager alone doing it. He also made promises they haven't kept, and tried to tell me I could keep the company mobile phone that they never gave me 🤣🤣 which was quite funny in a sad way... I was terminated because I broke my back + other related health issues meant I couldn't go to the office, so I worked remote until they shut my account off and filed to terminate me.
@@noth606That happened to me when I was young. The company had meetings that it said was to improve the company. During the meeting about 30 of us were around a large conference table. Nobody answered any questions or engaged in a discussion while the two HR people tried everything to get us to comment or discuss anything they brought up. Finally one of my coworkers from our group made a comment. Everyone looked around at each other. I spoke ip in agreement with my colleague. After the meeting he went up to the HR Director and totally backtracked everything he commented on. I overheard him, but felt like I couldn’t say anything. I also thought it was really bizarre. I got laid off a month later with several others who were at different meetings. My colleague kept his job. I will never forget this lesson.
I love this young lady's discernment. She's no slow leak as we say in the South . God Bless and I pray he opens a door for her somewhere that her hard work will be appreciated . Companies look at you as disposable in most circumstances like this. I hope she at least got unemployment .
Agreed. It's not that everyone in hr is bad, it's that the snakes are SNAKES and there's so many people who almost seem to delight in others misfortune
As a manager, I would quit my job if my company was laying people off without me being there and without my input. I value treating my team members as a humans with families. This is cold and calculating. The composure and passion this lady has is very valuable. Good luck on her future endeavors.
If I am in a termination call...as soon as they say "We are going to have to let you go". Then I am no longer an employee and I will not be signing anything without my lawyer looking at it firs thanks. I'll get back to you in a few days.
You'll gain nothing other than delaying your severance money that way. And if you're actually hiring a lawyer, you're basically throwing away money for 0 gain.
@@fakewarszero You know you're going to catch a lot of flak for that, right? It doesn't matter that you're not wrong. And, no, I don't work for HR. In fact I got laid off from my last job and I haven't worked since. It's important to remember that **unless (1)There is a bona fide and properly formatted employment contract that states otherwise or (2)Severence is a clearly established company policy**, NO state in the U.S. makes severence mandatory. You are legally entitled by federal law to take 21 days to review what they've asked you to sign and that should be plenty of time to assure yourself that you're not signing away any rights. Unless I could really afford it and might as well, the only time I would take anything like that to an attorney would be if it was 20 pages of boilerplate legalese. But pay attention to that deadline because, again, with the previously outlined exceptions, they can retract that offer of severence. The unfortunate fact is that employees don't usually have the rights they think they have. CRA1964 Title VII was an excellent start, but we need further legislation for employee's rights because the goal posts have been moved.
@@fakewarszeronot true. Hire a lawyer, especially if the resignation seems odd and the severance low. The cost is minimal compared to the gain you may receive.
Her video was pretty triggering, as you'd expect, but your commentary was validating and reassuring. I really appreciated your input on such a traumatizing, yet pretty common, occurrence in the workforce. It can be really hard to bounce back after getting deflated so coldly and unfairly. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this.
Smart companies will not state that a layoff is performance based. Everyone should know layoffs are a COMPANY performance failure, rather than any individual employee issue. Companies use to know this. I love that this young lady rang the bs alarm on them. Good job!
This happened to me. As soon as the OTP meeting started, they asked me if I had anything to say/ask. I said, "Just one thing, I have not been given feedback in three months and just told one day that I'm getting fired. I've gotten in touch with a lawyer and the Department of Labor will see you in court." They ended the meeting, saying they'll 'look further into this'. I then demanded to take the rest of the week off while they sort it out and for them to have things in order when I report back to work on Monday. Needless to say, their case was baseless, so I got to keep my job.
I don't mean to be rude. But why would you want to stay this place? I think it's awesome that you fought back. But if they already pulled one you. Then they'll get you again when you least expect it
My husband was on FMLA. When he returned to work, his supervised had retired unexpectedly. The guy who took his place hired a buddy into Mark's position, which was fine as someone needed to fill in for him. BUT, on Mark's first day back to work HR took him aside and said he was being laid off. He called me; I called my lawyer who referred me to a labor attorney. They were served papers by week's end. They settled for a pretty penny.
They can just make you go through fake performance improvement sessions and still fire you saying you haven’t met the performance standard. If I were you, I would use those extra few days to look for jobs outside of the company. Sooner or later they’ll fire you
Company - "Why are our employees always stealing from us, have no loyalty, and giving away our secrets to our competitors!?" Also Company - "We're going to fire you randomly, suddenly, and in such a way that unemployment will become impossible."
Thank you for providing your commentary throughout this video. When I was laid off HR told me it was a "business decision." I soon found out the "business decision" was my boss replaced me with a friend of his who had very little experience.
And this is why I left the workforce to start my own business. It took years for me to realize that these companies boil you down and reduce you to numbers, and that HR is really only ever looking out for the company and not you. I’m so glad she recorded this. I hope she is doing well after losing her job.
I spoke to older business owners and a few of them urged me to work for someone else because its constant stress to own ur own business. You shouldve gone into insurance cuz im chillin
@@Porcupinemist it is soooo stressful they were right. But there are a ton of upsides to it like creating and working on your own schedule and nobody to fire you but yourself lol
Two quotes that I absolutely love to be mentally prepared for such situations: 1. Love your job and not the company. 2. A bird doesn't worry if the branch he is resting on will break or not.
That's very good advice. Clever bit about the bird not caring if the branch breaks. Young people need to hear this advice. Love your job not the company. Fantastic.
Sorry I’m young, can someone explain? Seems to me when you don’t worry about the branch breaking ( just assuming it will support you) you fail to plan a safety net, and it’s a huge shock when it does break. I must be missing something. Can anyone clarify please?
@@icu3869 since the bird has wings it need not worry if the branch breaks. It will fly away and sit on another branch. Similarly, I need to be so self sufficient or confident about my skills (read wings) that it wouldn’t matter if I loose the job.
@@wesjones1417 if the company didn't approve of her performance they would have let her go by the time she finished ramping/ training, she was only on the ground for a month that included closures for Christmas... If it was actually about her performance then the company/HR would have been able to pull her supervisor's critiques and coachings for the very short time she was in her role AND the company wouldn't be laying off a whole group of employees in back to back meetings. This was a corporation's attempt to avoid paying out severance pay which they are legally required to do when they do layoffs not firings.
@@wesjones1417You have no idea what she’s selling so your point is pointless. If she wasn’t meeting expectations, should her manager after four months on the job have discussed that with her? This company is just trying to avoid paying unemployment on a group of people they never should have hired in the first place, period.
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First time here. Would be nice to see video on the unemployment filing experience. They want you to find a job ASAP. Due to theft ? Tons of checks and balances . Outdated search systems. The workers there OMG. From one trauma to anther. Thanks for your work.
isn't it illegal to surreptitiously record conversations the way she did?
@ALifeAfterLayoff ,isnt it illegal to record electronic conversations w/o consent??
@@sanle7515 I believe all electronic communications are being recorded. Private conversations are allowed to be recorded in some states with only one persons consent. In other states it requires both parties knowledge. For example, when someone leaves a voicemail they KNOW they are being recorded so they have given their consent. And you can use that in a courtroom as evidence.
If you secretly record someone with a hidden camera or recording device in a location where they think they have privacy, or they believe it's just the two of you, depending on the state, that is not admissible in court. Silicon valley is in a 2-party consent state
It's one reason I prefer a doctor appointment in person and not over the phone. Doctor patient confidentiality goes out the window as soon as your appointment is done online or by phone
Every ZOOM meeting, online learning, court appearance, all of it, was being watched by the Chinese and they were gathering more data on Americans per day than the NSA does.
Anything that can transmit can also receive. The Ring doorbell is apparently easy to break into and watch people inside their homes. I'll never understand people who want robots or smart devices in their homes
It's bad enough already with these cell phones.
I would posit that we no longer have a true capitalist society. If you look at the definitions of corporatism(or mercantilism), those would be the closest to what we're currently living. And it's global, which means we're all in trouble.@@derekprospero
If AI ever takes over any job the first should be HR, because they sounded just like robots.
AHahahah
But yes
the one firing u is someone higher up. hr is just the messenger.
And they literally do nothing 🙄
Precisely
The HR could be replaced with one of Jolly Roger Phone Company's bots.
I was laid off for "Performance Issues" 5 days after I got a 5 star performance review and a 4% raise. They're all full of shit.
Same thing happened to me!
Very similar experience
I literally just got a 5 star performance review a few days ago, no raise sadly, but you're making me nervous
Wow
@@dannylaza1326 Neah, don't be nervous. Everything will be alright. It's just the way the economy is. Vote out the democrats and it helps. I promise you that. Plus food and gas comes way down when Conservatives are in office.
This is why it is laughable when a company expects any loyalty. It is a contract, I work, you pay me, end of relationship.
That is correct and when in a labor union it is a literal defined legal contract. Unions take companies out of their preferred grey area.
@allthingsnm354 Unions can also Bargain away your assured rights in a State with a Contract, like mine did. Oh they also sent paid political campaigners to my home to tell me how to Vote, paid for with our Union Dues. Because of 2020 the Current Administration in the White House told our Union and Our Company they did not need our consent for our new Contract, they gave away so much for our department it isn't funny, I can work 16 hour days 7 days a week and not get double time, ALL other department get double time after 48 hours. Our department gets 40 hours sick and kin care, ALL other departments get 96 hours of the two. Well time for a new contract and time for a new Administration that doesn't sell Unions out, time to switch political parties
@@stevensola3361Yes, I have had negative results from a union as well. If you think about it, the primary goal of any organization (including unions, companies, governments) is to survive. Second is to thrive (aka make a profit and expand). Organizations will prioritize these goals above all others, even if it means selling out their members.
@@stevensola3361 Get out of the union, hire a lawyer, and sue both the union and the employer ? 🤷🏼♀️
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This gal is brilliant in the debate. She does not just accept the BS. It is lovely to see someone stand up to this outrageous assault on her talent and integrity.
@@GrandmaMarlayne well said
@@cakesinthecity yes Mam!
Most employees are just sorry this young girl i would give her a job
Unless she filed a lawsuit against them and forced them to release these alleged poor performance numbers or call their bluff, then she absolutely did just accept their bullshit.
It’s literally useless. Chances are the HR people had no role in the layoff. Leadership makes these decisions. I love how everyone blames HR when they are just the messenger
Amazon tried screwing me over on an injury. We were about to hit a big safety bonus the next day after I hurt my shoulder and my manager told me not to go to medical and sent me home for the day, then he disabled my badge. I tried clocking in for 3 days in a row and couldnt. Then they marked me as a no call no show and terminated me. When i was able to prove all this to the judge, i won my unemployment case. The judge was pissed and said some stuff to HR. Fuck you Dave and fuck amazon. Started my art career and im making way more money and im way happier. And im my own boss!
Good man
I'm happy for you. What's your art career consist of.
I'm sorry that happened to you.
I can't believe they did all that just so they could get a safety bonus! Wow.
Sounds like you could have has a disability discrimination case
Where can I find your art?
I was forced to resign due to my company trying to get me to skip safety protocols for years. I had text proof and pictures. I went to HR told them I had to quit because I was forced. Went to unemployment got denied cuz HR lied . Appealed and won. They appealed and I won again. I sued with coworkers and now on Friday we are going to a settlement meeting for the 2nd time. Play stupid games win stupid prizes
Sounds like your looking to get paid without working. You were the type of employee to complain to HR and then you quit and somehow got unemployment anyways, and now your trying to get them to give you free money because that is what you wanted from the get go. whatever, you do you, but I am sure the company is completely happy with their decision to get rid of you. After you sue them, they will just be even happier your gone.
@criticalthinker420 oh your mistaken I'm part of 4 employees but I guess all 4 of us were looking to get paid and justice system is rigged in our favor? Why so mad stranger? You def seem like your mad about something. Did your company shutdown cuz you didn't know how to run it? Bankruptcy? Lose it all? Lmao. Maybe you should lay off the drugs pothead.
@criticalthinker420 Read again 420 I quit because I was forced to. They didn't fire me. I had to quit because my job which you have no idea what field it's in was trying to get me to cut corners and disregard safety protocols that could have endanger myself and the public and so I was forced to quit. Next time read 420. They are settling to avoid getting arrested Genius. You sound like the guy who does whatever he's told even if it's illegal and than when the company gets in trouble they fire you the scape goat. Lol. The employee's under me loved me because I protected their life above all. I'm positive the small company I worked for will go under after the lawsuit. Not everyone is fit to run a company.
My responses keep getting removed so obviously something weird is going on. Moving on and ignoring
I had something similar happen to me. I took my former employer to court and won as well. Definitely hold employers accountable and never let them get away with breaking the law.
Funny how they want you to give 2 week notice when you quit and if you dont you will be deemed unprofessional yet they can let you go at any time for BS reasons. Some wacky shenanigans if you ask me.
It's unfair. That's why I always snap photos of and read the fine print to see if it is AT WILL employment. Most retail and food service is. They can fire you at anytime without a reason and you can quit as well for any reason without notice. I gave a week's notice out of courtesy and had one boss act funny but I told them about the at will policy and they looked annoyed that I made sense and they didn't need nor deserve two weeks notice for a cashier position they can fire me whenever. I watched them fire someone after that person came in for their shift. They clocked in and started work, were called into the office and let go after they traveled all the way there in the cold and rain on public transportation so they can go to H-E-double hockey sticks.
Never give two weeks.
Make sure to use vacation before hand too, they won’t always pay it out. I had 3 weeks saved and didn’t get any of it paid out.
Join a union and do something about it like every other modern country.
@@michaelandrews4783 yah ...unions aren't what they used to be. They are more about dues then actually helping workers today. I am sure there are good ones but the ones I had to join didn't give a crap about anything but getting money. Nobody where I worked liked them are the rep who never even came by to talk to us. Fricken joke man.
She handled that in a very intelligent, assertive way. She needs to go to law school!
I tell my undergrads all the time, loyalty is a one-way street. Your company doesn't care how much a termination will upend your entire existence. No matter how many extra hours and sacrifices you make, they will happily ruin your career, your family, and your life if it saves them a nickel, or even, nothing. Keep your skills current, your professional networks up to date, and your resume ready to go.
Facts
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You are amazing for doing that. So many people, MANY, stay in horrible places because of a loyalty or guilt feeling. I always tell people, companies are not doing you a favor. It is an exchange. You are providing a service and are getting compensated for that. Period.
But they want a 2 week notice when you resign.
It's like that woman working her arse off for Elon Musk, even sleeping in the office, but just laid her off despite her loyalty.
She hit the nail on the head when she said "Why don't you just be honest and say you screwed up and hired more people than you can pay instead of this bullshit excuse."
Because laying off has different monetary severance requirements than firing.
They're trying to shirk their legal responsibilities to the employees they're letting go.
This wrongful dismissal is legally actionable. She should have used the courts to teach the employer a lesson in responsibility.
@@dguy321 That's exactly right.
@@dguy321 What exactly is "legally actionable", getting your feelings hurt? The insanity in 2020 led by LIBERALS is what caused these companies to hire like crazy to meet aggregate demand. Because of the WILD increase in M2, along with the ripple effects of ridiculous min wage laws, inflation spiraled out of control. I have no love for tech companies, especially because they're so "woke", but numbers don't lie. This fragile generation of "lovers of self", is disgusting.
@@davidkellymitchell4747 she was hired for sales and didn't make any in 4 months. I would fire her individually instead of mass layoff
@@lanadecker8800 It's according to what she was selling. I had a friend that was hired by Caterpillar to sell heavy equipment. They put him on a good salary. A month went by and he hadn't made a sale and he told them he probably shouldn't work there because he felt guilty. They said no, hang in there. Another month passed and no sales. He was freaking out and they said "Don't worry, that's how this business works." A third month passed and then one morning they told him he needed to go home and pack his bags because they were flying him to another country that was building a new interstate. He was there for 3 months and made the sale. His commission alone on that sale was 2 million dollars. After that they said you can now quit if you like and congratulated him. Ha!
One thing I've learned over the years in working with a major finance company with a HUGE HR dept is this: HR is NOT there to protect the employees. HR's sole purpose is to protect the company. HR is NOT your friend.
HRs primary purpose is to protect itself and milk money from the organisation!
No. HR is still people. So HR’s job is to make sure they themselves are not fired.
For the intra-company affairs, HR is nobody's friend. They're are merely the intermediary taking action on tasks assigned to them from higher ups.
HR does payroll, recruitment, and paperwork involved with hiring, and firings. And advice managers do they dont accidentally cause large fines to the company when employment laws are violated. Why would anyone think they are advocates for the workers?
@@danielch6662 They aren't generally, but really in a sustainable company they need to be. How a company treats employees is a factor in recruitment of talent. Companies that treat their workers better can much more easily attract and retain top talent. As such advocating for employee treatment is an important part of HR as it has positive effect on recruitment.
"I can't tell you why you're being fired right now" then why are we having this meeting
They are having this meeting coz if they write that no reason on an email the company could get sued for millions
They expect you to prep for meetings, vut don't hold accountable when it's them.
@shani1928 rules for thee...
Just about 5 years ago, I got laid off from a long-term job. It was in person, with my manager and the HR director. The first thing the manager said was that it wasn't anything to do with my performance, and that the decision came from above him. It was tough, but at least they were honest. Good on her for pushing back against the BS.
Bingo. Their #1 mistake was blaming it on her performance when it was clearly the fact that cLoUdFlArE couldnt afford payroll 🤨
@IgorBosnjakfx sandwiched between two major holidays. I suppose you ignored that detail. She only had two weeks of full on production. The HR folks here are being dishonest and are potentially walking the company into a lawsuit.
@IgorBosnjakfx you have very strong opinions for knowing so little about the situation. I think you might have a chauvinist aversion to female confidence and/or you're just a company man who loves big daddy?
@IgorBosnjakfx whoa pal, you're changing horses in midstream. I barely pushed and you completely fell over! Just a few minutes ago you were reprimanding her for having a bad attitude, now you're conceding she was good standing up for herself??!! And because you asked, I'm a veteran infantry Marine - separated 17+ years ago honorably. And I'm now a licensed electrical contractor in the Midwest. And actually, I do stay in a basement most of the time when I'm not out and about... It's called my man cave! 😂
@@geofferypmeyersright?! I prefer to here they changing the dynamics of the company, or unfortunately they no longer need a certain amount of workers, but stop lying and say it is the workers fault. Just be honest. The company making changes and that is it. 😌
Can I just say that I really admire her communication skills? I stutter and stumble on words all of the time. She's in a high-stress, high-emotion situation, and she's speaking more clearly and confidently than I do casually chatting with friends. That's an extremely valuable soft skill, one that's hard to acquire if it doesn't come naturally. Cloudflare's loss
I agree, I think she did amazing. Much better than I did in that situation.
Cloudflare sucks anyway.
Can you just say? Yes you can.
I agree. I wouldn’t have been as good as she is at standing up for myself
Agree, she seems like she has potential. But Cloudflare probably discovered they can hire offshore remote workers to do the same job for 1/10 the cost...
Frankly, if they are this blatantly lying to their own employees, then how honest are they being with their clients? Why should anyone trust this company at all?
Well. In this case, cloudflare is the world's primary anti hacking web site securer. If you have a web site, you either use them or you have no security since no other company in the world is able to do what they do.
None of this makes them right in any way, but nobody with a web site has any choice but to use them. Not using them is an automatic death sentence for your site.
I completely agree there being deceptive. Why is it so hard to simply be blunt, just like Bryan worded it. Were all professional adults here that understand that businesses have metrics to meet. Plus layoffs don’t affect stock value on the company on contrary it benefits companies so I don’t understand the logic of being deceptive which now opened them up to a PR nightmare and potentially a discriminatory lawsuit.
I agree. I was laid off right before Christmas because the contract that I was hired for fell through. But they were honest about it and even asked if I would come back if they got the contract after all and I said yes. They didn't lie to me, I am an adult and understood it was not personal.
I used to work for a really great data company that was purchased by IBM. Our company was decimated over the course of 5 short years, and then the remainder was sold for pennies compared to the purchase price.
What i learned is that these companies are a revolving door, desperately trying to prop up the illusion that they can still offer a value proposition to customers. IBM didn't care about our expertise or about improving our product with the use of Watson. They just wanted to look like they cared about this particular industry, sell products that weren't fleshed out, and "resource action" employees to cut costs. Companies like these don't value real expertise. They will pressure older employees to retire early. It's just a mess and all barely legal (if legal at all).
Honest to their own clients.....interesting perspective. One company made a habit to overcharge the clients on all project quotes, and at the end of the year, all of the left over money in the project accounts was divded up for the fat cat bonuses. How's that for trust worthy.
My husband did not work in HR but was in a position where most of the time he was told to fire someone. It broke his heart. He would come home in tears and be sick to his stomach for days…he doesn’t work there anymore.
With employers like this I don’t think you’ll ever run out of content…
😂😂😂😂 right.
For me personally I would love to see more companies who do these kind of new hire layoffs (reduction in workforce) exposed for how poorly they are managed. None of this had to happen had the CEO and C-suite execs "read the tea leaves" and not ramped up hiring when other tech companies are doing mass layoffs in 2023. To me this shows all the verifiable signs of extremely poor business leadership and decision making. And in my view the wrong tier of employees are being laid off.
CloudFail
And this is only mildly bad, they get much much worse
Exactly.
First, you are never going to argue your way out of being let go. That said, getting the HR person to state the reason(s) on audio or in writing will help for the lawsuit that you should definitely file.
The way this was done was shady. They framed it as being fired for underperforming when it was in fact a layoff. Where I live, people who are fired don't get severance and can't file for unemployment (which the employer pays for), while people who are laid off must be paid severance and can get unemployment. I suspect the reason they tried to say her performance was lacking was to avoid the cost of severance and unemployment. Get a lawyer.
My guess is that this is what they were trying to prevent.. I would be curious to see if anyone filed.
It doesn’t matter. The fact that you still don’t grasp that they’ve been having employees sign paperwork on day of hiring that days your job can let you go WITHOUT CAUSE at any given time. You sign that to be hired meaning NO YOU CANT SUE WHEN YOURE LET GO. THEY CAN LET YOU GO FOR ANY REASON OR NONE. This is bc sometimes, MOST TIMES, the employee has a shitty personality and no HR rep is going to tell you that your energy is killing the vibe in the office…so they always use the ole under performance excuse. Bc they know they are protected either way.
This clause has been active for 30+ year. Good luck wasting ur time and money.
@@DrLauraRPalmer It absolutely does matter. Your employment might be at will but that does not mean they can legally terminate you for any reason. If they terminate you without cause aka laying you off, you are eligible for benefits (severance, unemployment compensation, etc). They cannot legally misclassify your termination as for cause("performance metrics") to deny you benefits.
@@ZackForester they do change classification in Florida. If they fire u for being gay, they can put poor performance on form
@@ZackForester It also depends on the state and the states laws.
There needs to be a law that any company that laid off workers in the last 12 months can't give executive bonuses. If they cant afford employees then how can you afford a executive bonus?
It's disgusting that you think the government should have so much control over private businesses. Go to China if that's the kind of rule you want.
THANK YOU!!!
Like the whole thing is that you’re the boss and you’re supposed to make sure everyone under you knows what they are doing. If they aren’t then who’s really underperforming??????? MAKE IT MAKE SENSE
Tha amount of times i’ve been throwing into the fire no real TRAINING. But then all of a sudden they want to fire me but i’ve never been told im doing a bad job?? I hate everyone
Yes! Because if an ENTIRE team failed, it’s whoever is running the business unit from the top down! THEY failed to set expectations and communicate metrics. But nothing will happen to them because the whole thing is BS, made up reasons to improve the bottom line without regard for the people who just signed new leases or turned down other offers to work at Cloudflare. It’s so upsetting.
I learned this lesson 18 years ago. I was fired for being pregnant, when I had just been awarded “Employee of the Month” a few weeks prior. I sued. I proved. I won.
People say the employee fired ruined her future career prospects uploading this. But actually, she is holding these companies accountable for taking advantage of people.
Both can be true. I have sympathy but knowing she’s gotten praise for recording company meetings without consent and releasing them publicly, would you hire her?
@@ca8824 I would i a heartbeat. And I have hired roughly 50-60 people in my career so far
@@ca8824OMG she didn't get their consent!!!!! This sin is UNPARDONABLE!!!!!!!!
@ca8824 - Yes I would. The only people who wouldn’t hire her are those with shady practices to hide.
It's great content for us but I am on the side that recording and uploading this is going to hurt her future prospects. Not a good idea. Always protect your interests!
As someone who’s been through this exact thing - the employer is stating that it’s performance, because if they layoff due to downsizing, they have to pay your unemployment benefits.
I see this all the time. Why is it so hard for people to understand that of course the company is going to try to characterize this as a performance issue, because if they call it fired for cause then the company does not get charged higher unemployment tax rates. Follow the money! Of course companies will lie, they are directly compensated for doing so. The entire unemployment benefit system is a corrupt mess, and it hurts most the people who can afford it the least.
This woman didn't sell anything or make any money at all for the company during her time there apparently. Pretty sure its performance based and this is just an entitled brat who tanked future job prospects because of main character syndrome.
in her case she hasn't been there long enough. she may be able to draw on her last job.
I don't think that's true in California. According to the state website, it doesn't matter if you get laid off or fired as long as you don't get fired for misconduct. I don't think under performance falls under misconduct.
Also in California You pay UI tax based on the amount of employees you have. That money goes into a fund that is used to pay unemployment for layoffs or fires
These are 3 rules that help keep me grounded.
1. As an employee should show the company as much loyalty as they show you.
2. It's just a job. It's not who I am.
3. You are only a number so don't take it personal.
Btw she completely destroyed them.
Exactly.
Agree except the end. She didn't destroy anything but her own hirability for a while. It was a SALES job. She wasn't selling. She was less than 6 months into the role and presumably still within the probation period.
Out of 1400 salespeople, she was in the bottom 40 and was let go....nothing personal. It has ALWAYS been this way in Sales. Full Stop.
No, she didn't "destroy" them, them being just the HR people who were merely delivering on action items that had been decided by the powers that be.
Plus, if she takes legal action, any chance of getting a job in the future just went down the loo.
@@snazzyd8866 True. They should have been prepared rather than waffle.
Surely, if the company had an issue with her performance, then she should have been let go the end of her 3 month probation period, so that reason given does not hold water.
I love this young woman. So composed and confident. A lot of people, not just women, would start tearing up and shutting down.
I also love how she prolongs the meeting when it is clear that the people on the other end want it to be over and to move on to the next poor soul.
She was rude.
@@KayDejaVu It's not rude to ask for clarification on why your life is being disrupted seemingly out of nowhere.
@@KayDejaVu Is it rude to tell a criminal that they are lying?
@@KayDejaVu she didnt tell them how worthless they are once. she was extremely kind, perhaps too kind
I got laid off during the pandemic. It was by my manager and he was honest and upfront about it, didn't try to bs or anything. So when things changed 6 months later at the company I was rehired and we had a good working relationship. I even brought in a former coworker when we had a position open up. Because of that, when I eventually left for a different opportunity, I was happy to take a few phone calls from my previous coworkers when they had questions that didn't get answered when I was handing over my projects. It's not uncommon for you to run into people you know again in the industry so it's best to treat everyone well.
Well, the reason for the layoff was undoubtedly legit, so telling you the truth wasn't a problem. When they refuse to give you a valid reason it's because they're doing something wrong and they know it.
You will never regret showing kindness. ❤
HR is there ro protect rhe conpany from legal issues. They are not there to help you. It's an oxynoron. They see you as a resource, not a human.
Simple. It’s transactional,nothing more not a family They are NOT your friend no matter how long you have been there they will hire you right away and do the same at firing you. A side job or savings for yourself as a backup is key as u genuinely CANNOT & should not depend on ANYONE BUT yourself.period.
yes per the name human resources 😂😂😂
@@ms.nicolediasgreene3841Exactly. I do the work you give me money. sounds transactional to me. I’m tired of people acting like this isn’t just a job and i’m not just here for money. When employers ask well why do you want this job? I tell them because i need money tf why does anyone get a job 😂😂😂😂
Louis is here 🙌🏼
You are just a resource that happens to be human. Might as well have a cattle brand on your ass when you talk to HR
In the UK if you're called I to a meeting and HR are there, you are within your rights to walk out, so that they have to rearrange and you can bring in a colleague or union rep.
In Mexico if you’re called into HR the Cartel takes you out back with a machete.
Interesting. Is that a Union thing tho or blanket law? Because here in the US it is the same thing but for union workers where you can get union representation anytime you suspect ANY disciplinary action as the result of a meeting. And this is a Federal law that companies have to wait for union reps, so the company cannot say no.
It's super nasty how the HR lady repeatedly uses the phrase "how you feel". Because it's not about how she feels, it's about her rights. She's trying to diminish her rights by re-labeling them as her feelings.
My thoughts exactly.
It's the corporate version of "who hurt you?"
Meant to dismiss any issue with a blindly confident "I know this is really about something else, not what you're saying"
@@cleanmikeandtheboys3165 Yep, it's the same tactic.
Not even a matter of rights, "how your feel" is just a machavelian cover for HR's brazen lies.
she's a vulture and i haven't met an HR rep who isn't
Remember H/R is not your friend nor will they ever be, they work for the company and you are human resources its in the name !
Lady definitely has a deep throat with no gag
They add little to no value to a business at best.
HR's main priority is to protect the company from being sued by the employee.
@@untouchable360x they're doing a terrible job
No regard for their employees what-so-ever: You're just a number. My heart goes out to that young woman, her former peers and all of the others who are in line for the corporate Fascists and their lackeys who treat people like they are taking used receptacles to the Recycle Bin.
And if most all of it ends up in the dump anyway, is no real concern to them. Not really. They can say what they want, but the noise of what they are actually doing drowns that out their evasive utterances like white noise.
Anyone with a sliver of compassion would leave that position at the first opportunity. Anyone with a sliver of a bran would realize "If they'll do that to them..." and leave that position at the first opportunity.
But no, they are there to get paid to do what they do. It's their job, glorified custodians that apparently manage to sleep at night, but I don't see how they can. They have to at least know at some level that the same thing can come back an hit them, at least in a "karmic" sense.
As a Gen-Xr i've been dealing with this "CRAP" my whole working career.
What I learned was,
1. No matter how much you think the job will last... it won't.
2. No matter how friendly they are, they will throw you under the bus in a heartbeat to make a little more profit.
3. Never get comfortable always be prepared to walk out the door at a moment's notice.
4.Be very frugal with your money because they always like to ambush you with a lay-off when you least expect it.
5. always, always be actively looking/ talking to other employers and have your resume online and ready to go when its time to pull the trigger.
@@frankprit3320 very good advice and soooo true!
Millenials too.
Understand that HR isn't about "BBQs and benefits" as much as they'll present an oh-so-friendly demeanor. They exist to reduce their liability to you (all employees).
Dude you whinning like a bth. You sound like Gen z.
Yes, loyalty talk ('propaganda') by HR is hollow.
My late wife worked in HR at an Outdoor TV company when they decide to layoff a large percentage of the company employees, she came home crying after having to layoff people she knew personally, the worse was she had to layoff a husband & wife the same day, she left that company shortly after due to her lack of respect for the upper management - as for me I have NO loyalty to any company I work for, my loyalty is to my paycheck!
Sorry she felt she had to leave shortly after firing a husband and wife… is anyone courageous anymore to say NO!!!!! I’m not doing that!!!! This is why this is so pervasive in our country- everyone follows orders and just keep the wrecking ball in motion.
That’s what I was thinking just say “no” to upper management and tell them to fire others themselves.
They definitely don’t care about you.
He needs to stay out of HR. They are the most evil organization I've even seen or heard. I worked for the unemployment office once, and have seen everything... including the internal communications. Their sole job is to try to prevent costs, such as lawsuits and unemployment. Nothing more... and they have practically sold their soul in how they do it.
I wasn’t laid off, I was fired. But for completely BS reasons. They claimed I was making mistakes but not proving to me that I made those mistakes. I wish I’d had the nerve and education to fire back like this. Good for her.
I worked for a huge bank. They fired people left and right. whole departments would be gone in the blink of an eye. There was a management guy in a cubicle near me and he had been there 20 years - one day I came in and he wasn't there. He had been let go. There was a group of people who got hired and then let go 6 weeks later .... the bank said they changed their mind about the new dept - too bad for you. So all those people gave up other jobs to work there and were unemployed 6 weeks later. The way companies act towards employees is disgusting.
Only in America
your livelihood hangs from the whims of a clueless group of executives who make stupid and unpredictable decisions to please shareholders, often unsuccessfully. work for yourself
@@momoneyinvestingIf they're foolish, the business will fail.
Should employees not be allowed to leave a company unless they document a bunch of problems and go through a big process?
@@nwatson2773America is better than most places regarding this and a lot of other things. Take the blinders off.
@@nwatson2773no if you work for American companies in a decent country even then American companies tries to do this and often they get sued big time. It’s actually happening more often than not now. American companies suck period.
Having been laid off via mass email last February (worked at the company 9 years when it got bought by an overseas investor), watching this video gave me the sense of closure I’ve desperately needed. This girl said so many things I wish I had the chance to say. Thanks for covering this!
No problem. Mass emails are ridiculous.
I hope you are doing good I wish the best a better future but it’s sad nowadays the corporate world it’s very harsh and I don’t know what was yuor job but tech sales it’s hard it’s very difficult and demanding very it’s not easy money
HR protect themselves they are trained to speak like that
It had nothing to do with you it’s them they have their own motives to let you go that yu never know yu did a great job believe me when a company decides to let go of employees they will let you go regardless how hard yu worked don’t take it personal I know after 9 years secured job it’s awful feeling sorry but it’s going on all over look into videos of this how companies sneak treat employees
A mass email is heinous, but at least it’s impersonal. These people were blaming the employee for poor performance, as if it were personal when her only mistake was in being a recent hire when they were told to layoff a certain number of people.
I’m proud of her for not being afraid to speak up for herself. She called them on their BS. Praying she gets a solid job that loves, values, and respects her.
🎉❤🎉
I’ll never regret no longer working in HR. You’re just the fall person that does the dirty work for management.
T H I S
I hate America’s work culture
Maybe if we spread the truth about working in HR wide enough, people will stop applying and the entire concept of an HR department will vanish, leaving management open, exposed, and unprotected from the wrath of the people they have so consistently wronged.
good choice you made
You may be surprised that some people do enjoy it.
I'm in the U.K. One thing that is ABSOLUTE in this country is that HR is there for the COMPANY. They are not there for you. Before going to HR, and this should be your last resort, make sure you have everything logged and written down. As sweetly as they may smile, their job is to protect the company.
Exact same in the states.
From day one, take photograph (no screenshots, photograph with the Iphone) of everything shady, everything weird. In 80% of the time people will have no problems, either on the employee or company side, but in those 20% dodgy cases, 10 or 20 photograph can bump the severance by few thousands, or win the court case. After all, all communications are supposed to be documented so it is not against the law.
oh that is pretty much the same for over here in the states. you do something like complain about sexual harassment it is to save their asses if they do anything.
The same in the states.
HR is the same the whole world over. But USA corporate culture is even less human - and therefore more ruthless and more stupid and more hypocritical - than other countries.
She rightfully put HR on blast. I'm so proud of this professional!
It's not just HR on the call. Her management team if terminating her and has asked HR for help.
I was onboard with her until she admitted to not making any sales. Now I question the legitimacy of everything she’s saying. I don’t see how you can be in sales at a company and expect to keep your job if you make no sales the entire time you’re there.
@@Theunspoiledprincessexactly. If you don’t generate sales, you are a liability.
She is still in probation period the 90 days. She still has accounts ready to close. Companies i worked for don't expect the numbers until after 90 day probation period.
@ most companies don’t want to flush 10 grand down the toilet and a good salesperson with a passable product will sell before 90 days.
In Australia this is called "churning" an illegal practice with stiff penalties for the employer. It is well known in tech companies. Rapid turnover of new staff in a secret agreement with a recruitment firm.
I was once asked to reduce a department by 75% because the company’s revenue had dropped by 50% and costs had risen. I told everyone that the criteria was first in first out, but outstanding members would be highly considered. The process took just over a month. Everyone was given a glowing reference letter, and was told that they would be contacted when the business recovered and we were hiring.again. Everyone understood the situation, most left on good terms, many accepted the offer of employment when the company overcame its problems.
The key is to be honest in the hire and fire. Good and loyal employees are hard to find.
Why 1st in 1st out ? Basically people with longer tenures that shows loyalty get punished.
That was a typo, it was meant to be last in first out
Most of them undertood because you told the truth
Do you mean, last in - first out? Or were you actually firing the longest term employees? (Not that that means anything, sometimes the long-timers are less efficient and more resistant to change, just clarifying).
The longer they were with the company, the more likely they were to stay. You tell them what the criteria is for letting them go. You let them know it’s impartial and no way reflects performance. You will be welcomed back once profits change. You give them a glowing termination letter. It is critical that former employees are given confidence once they are terminated, and not dispair. This termination could have been handled much better. Treating employees like this has a record of hurting the company’s productivity and reputation
I got laid off for taking too much time off. My parents died 18 days apart, and I took bereavement leave. I was allowed 5 days per but only took 3 days for each parent. I loved the shocked face of the HR person when I thanked her for laying me off so I could settle the two estates. When I explained what I meant, she sat there with her mouth open, looking stupid. She had no idea what was going on. Same thing as this company, they hired too many people in anticipation of a contract they didnt get. Cowards! Own up to your mistakes rather than blaming somebody else.
Yeah I would get an attorney, take my reviews and take them to court for wrongful termination, or at least lying for the reason I was let go.
So sorry you had to go through that experience. At least they are together again. One of my employers I will speak highly of in regards to this topic was my time at Nike INC, my grandmother passed and I was not even aware we were allowed bereavement time for it, but multiple managers above me encouraged I do so after I mentioned it as reason for my spaceyness that day. It’s no surprise that most places are not like that but I’m glad you got a little bit of “fuck you” to them being shocked at your reply
Still amazes me when businesses count their chickens before they hatch
Sorry for your loss
I'm so sorry for your losses.
Agreed. Part of leadership is taking responsibility when you mess up.
Also i love how UNPREPARED hr was for her questions. Take notes guys. If someone is going to be cold, callous and gaslight you, at least give them a little taste of their own medicine!
It's not HR's job to be prepared or knowledgeable. HR is a group of hitmen, they perform firings and reprimands, that's it. HR people are purposefully kept in the dark in order to not reveal anything that would make the company culpable at a later date
I’m thinking the same thing. In fact, I could do a better job at being HR than these two clowns, and I have ZERO HR experience.
And turn off prospective employers of hiring you? No thanks.
@@AspiePilo82 you can defend yourself and ask questions about your termination. Nobody said you have to record it and post to the internet! Re read the comment as it was clearly focused on her asking them pointed questions 📖👓🤯
HR is all about what the lawyers allow you to say. Anyone good at HR obeys.
I was told by a public school HR manager that I was encouraged to write a letter of resignation (because I violated no ethics codes they could not easily fire me), but warned that if I did not resign they threatened they would make my work life a living hell. I wish I had recorded that meeting.
I love how she is defending herself. This would be unheard of in my day. Termination with cause can also effect Unemployment benefits. Hope she fights it. Remember 1980’s early 1990’s they did this to people who gave 20 years of their lives. Never trust a company to be there tomorrow.
Yup, most companies will drop you the second they don't need you!
She wouldn't have an issue getting unemployment (depending on if she's claimed unemployment elsewhere in the past year)
But putting it on social media was a real dumb idea. More and more companies as part as of a background check are doing a social media check. If this video comes up most prospective employers are going to trash can her resume/application.
@@georgeromey4971Disagree. I'd hire her. She has a spine.
Good for her! I am glad she is pushing back! The company acted shady on their part.
Great question! why can't they just tell it like it is ... do they realize how ABUSIVE this is? They are essentially gaslighting people, telling them they are incompetent and underperforming, just to avoid any chance of taking responsibility for their own incompetence. That is devastating to an employee who deserves much better!
It's the old abusing 'you're not good enough' tactic that destroys self-esteem of competent people😢 this is abuse! 2 against 1. Power imbalance! Such a bullies.
I find it really odd. I have been laid off five times. Every single time, the meeting was with my manager and an HR person. My manager has explained that I am being laid off and the reason behind it. Every time has been because of restructuring or similar company decisions. So the manager explains that and then turns it over to the HR person who goes over the logistics. How to turn in company equipment, how severance works, how COBRA works, applying for unemployment, etc.
The only reason I can think that they would lie about performance would be to get out of unemployment. I don't really understand it, but if been told that they don't pay anything for your unemployment, but it does count against them and too many it starts to cost them somehow.
@@tedthurgate It makes you wonder, since it appears that they were laying off a ton of people, if the company was worried that the amount that they pay into unemployment insurance would go up.
@@zenobia10127 I am not certain how it works, but I THINK that the more employees you have claim unemployment your cost for unemployment goes up. It isn't one to mean, meaning you have one employee claim it, your rates go up, then a second they go up more. I think there are tiers. And by you I mean the company. What the company pays to unemployment goes up. Employee contributions don't change.
Companies can get rid of anyone at anytime for any or no reason except they can not discriminate based on protected classes: gender, age, race... So they run reports to assure that there is no pattern to the layoffs -- not predominately old people, not predominately women, etc. Maybe these guys thought it would be easier to just tell everyone it was for cause.
But, if they don't have the receipts they are opening themselves up to litigation. Especially the CEO coming out publicly and saying it was for cause. If that makes it harder for her to find a job, she can sue for defamation. She might win, she might not but the reputational damage and the cost of defending against it just isn't worth it.
That’s why every employee has to know their worth and know when companies aren’t honest in their assessment.
I had a friend laid off after 27 years with a company. 27 years and they discarded him like a piece of trash. Luckily he was smart with money and a good saver and investor.
They hire you to do a job. I would say working 27 years at one job shows a great work culture. Also, good for him. If he had work 27 years and not been financially stable he would have no one to blame but himself.
@@MrTwenty6point2dumbass bootlicker
@@MrTwenty6point2 Everything you said is completely correct, but they’re all very silly points to make in response to OP’s comment. Laying someone off without notice after 27 years may be a perfectly prudent thing to do, but it’s also a bit heartless
@@MrTwenty6point2Staying at a job for 27 years isn't a result of a "good work culture", it's due to being stable employment that provides health insurance. People stay in government jobs forever for the benefits, not because government is a great place to work - on the contrary government environments are very toxic.
@@SurpriseMeJT I agree. I sold my soul to a government job to afford treatments for an extremely pricey autoimmune disease. I’m not sure what the point to even being alive is anymore.
I was also fired in the same way via zoom and the argument was the same, there’s no humanity in it anymore
I'm glad to see your take on this video! Other TH-camrs are attacking her for being "sensitive" and "entitled," but now that I actually watch the full video and your explanation, her former company was being absolutely shitty. I was let go many years ago out of the blue after I just passed the 3-month probation period, but at least they were honest about the reason being the company was not doing well, and the CFO was willing to give me a good reference. It sucked that I got laid off but I'm glad they didn't lie to my face or gaslight me about my performance.
most are jealous that she is even working in tech. I see people gloating about tech workers being fired.
@@truthhurtsohwell05 well fair play, they got bloated salaries and made everything unaffordable, so i have zero sympathy.
@user-wh5ir4fo4r Right! If I was a hiring manager, this girl is ON MY RADAR!
@mikeydude750 you think IT made things unaffordable?
I think my key takeaway was "you're not being singled out".
You mean my whole department is under-performing? Why weren't we put on performance improvement plans? Is the whole department being let go because a manager failed to meet their metrics?
Or maybe, okay, then how do you know that my performance has been substandard compared to others?
The HR person sounds like a Politician never answering the question directly.
Because they can't. They're basically trying to minimize any lawsuits.
Exactly. Perfect parallel.
HR in this case serves to purposes. One, to make sure the manager assigned to drop kick all these employees to the unemployment line doesn't say anything that might cause the company to face additional liability, and two, to answer any oddball questions pertaining to the separation process that the random manager has no idea about.
Listening to this two p-foot around the subject, makes me believe the guy he is practically fresh out of college and has zero experience with laying people off. His tone and verbal language just comes off as very timid. Which is likely due from lack of experience dealing with these type of things.
Imagine this scenario. You get a job as a entry level manager for the corporate office. You expect to push paper for the rest of your life. You barely have learned your login credential to the systems and you get called into a office meeting. You are then handed a list of employees who you are told you have to separate and that HR will be on the line to assist. You then jump on your first meeting with an employee and learn the name of the HR representative helping with the separation and learn they know about as much about this as you do. All you are told is that the separation are due to failure to meet job expectations. Nothing more and nothing less. And if anybody pushes back on the company line, you direct them to speak to HR ... after the meeting.
Joking not joking. You want a life in corporate America for life, be the volture who can fire people like a gunslinger shooting targets. You need 200 people fired? I'll have that wrapped up by lunch. Does that cost saving equate to a higher bonus for me?
@@Ahrayanasi "circle back"
@@Ahrayanasi Sounds just like Kamala! Another word salad - never directly answers a question.
They weren’t prepared for an employee to push back on their bs. Good for her
Used to work in HR. They fire you as opposed to laying you off because if they fire you "with cause" you aren't eligible for unemployment. "Poor performance" is the major reason for "firing" someone in these situations. If they lay you off, and all of you collect unemployment, their unemployment insurance premiums go sky high. It's all about money.
Not selling anything isn’t “for cause”. It’s just performance at that point. For cause is fighting, stealing, insubordination, gross safety violations, etc.
An old employer tried to suspend me for three days over Christmas, after Moving the Goalposts so that I would never succeed: overlapping negative evaluations and evaluation periods with no end in sight. So I resigned with Immediate Effect, the Unemployment Office ruled it as a Constructive Dismissal and I got Unemployment Benefits that supported me until I re-enlisted a couple months later.
I appreciate the honesty. Can I ask why you no longer work in HR? Tired of being unethical with people so you quit?
This must be the US. I have never heard of unemployment insurance.
I live in the US, in WA state. "Failing" at a job is not cause. You can still collect unemployment. "Cause" has to be either an illegal act or a clear direct violation of a company policy. It's very rare to not qualify for unemployment pay if the company let's you go.
Corporations wonder why there’s been a great resignation, and why good employees are so hard to find. Bottom line, they don’t deserve them.
THIS.. exactly THIS.. this should be the highest rated comment.
Absolutely, their is no reason to work for a corporation. A number on a page is all you are, if we know anything, it's that NOTHING matters other than PROFIT.
Especially you. Stop applying and start local.
That’s what you get buying into big corps, and big titles for your instagram and tik tok. A sterile letting go of. Small biz will always be the backbone
It’s just a job.
I found while WORKING here in the last 40+yrs that the ones REALLY Working Hard are held to a higher standard than those who don't. Belonging to the Group that brown noses around often Ineffective "mismanagement" even gets you repeatedly 2hr breaks.....AND YES....some even SLEEP on Duty in front of the Camera !!! I'm NOT Lying here !! Worked 15 of my 19yrs in Miami DadeCounty Jails.....just remember...you have to be from the fitting culture,color too !!!!
German Immigrant to Florida 40yrs ago.
FORMER RN 😊😊😊FORMER !!!
It feels like talking to a politician that keeps evading the question with complete nonsensical answers
When that happens, remind them that they did not answer your question. Then repeat the question, and if they still are not giving you an answer, ask to speak with someone else.
@@judyheller"you'll be hearing from my attorney" is what HR should be told in these cases. Give them a reason to shit bricks knowing they've just potentially exposed the firm to litigation.
Respect for calling out the company's BS!
This lady is bright, articulate, and incisive. She'll have no problem finding another job. In my opinion, she's too good for the worms at this company. Their loss will be another company's gain...
She should find a way to be her own boss.
The company should have offered her a consultant role.
Sounds like they need her help..
You're insane shes a sales person who cant sell. She hasnt sold anything since she's been there. Nobody cares shes good in meetings.
@@sillysailor5932exactly. its a business, not a charity. imagine paying someone 16 times and they have generated $0. and their last contract fell through…
And beautiful
As a career auditor my advice is to keep records of everything.
I keep records and information from my audits that aren’t confidential, I keep my staff’s evaluations, I keep my performance evaluations, I keep shout-outs from other directors when I go above or handle something well, I keep client evaluations to show that I do good and add value…
It won’t protect me from being laid off, but it does support my job performance if I’m ever gaslit into a poor performance evaluation.
We are all just disposable resources. Nothing more, nothing less.
I do as well, I even keep the ones after I leave the organizations, just in case they don’t remember my outstanding performance. Is always good to have documentation to back up your resume.
Same. And at the very least it’s great evidence if you ever get denied unemployment or any other job-impacted benefits and have to appeal 😏
This is a good tip! Thank you! I'm about to locate my past evaluations and put them into a folder.
And get your documentation to a safe place offsite, even if you have to sneak it out.
I went through this 20 years ago at AT&T after that I rented a retail space and opened up my own small buisness doing taxes and bookkeeping, I worked hard and I am financially secure and could retire tomorrow if I wanted too. I would rather shovel snow and cut grass self employed than ever work for these heartless soulless companies.
An employee invests a lot just accepting the job in the first place. Often they move to a new location, maybe buy a car, rent an apartment, even buy a home, change a relationship to physically be there. They turn down another job or leave other employment for what appears to be a better opportunity. When fired for some kind of cause, all their security in the new situation vanishes. Now their health insurance is gone and that is a giant perk few understand. The question "Why were you let go?" will jeopardize new job opportunities.
That's great! It makes me feel very hopeful (and proud of you) to read this. I'm so happy when people stick up for themselves
OMG!! I Have sooo much respect for you and what you did and especialy what you went thru and rebounded with VICTORY on your side. F-'um if they cant take a joke. soulless heartless! YOU nailed it. Tons of respect and appreciation !! Maybe someone else will take a lead in their own lives, when they read this, than put up with this totally heatless bullshit.
Same here. I worked for different company’s and got laid off twice sucks. Now I’m in the chip and snack business I’m my own boss started servicing two stores and now I service 40 accounts. Started small but I build my route in 2 years.
If your company would hit the fan and you will have to sack them all, what would you do? :D be souless and tell them exact same busllhit, there is no good or bad guys here :) just people who get fired and people who don't :)
Thank you for repeating what we are seeing and hearing with our own eyes and ears. Super helpful.
Love how these companies demand your loyalty but do not even consider you to be a human being once a spread sheet hits the table.
All corporations demand loyalty from all their employees but they are not loyal with their employees when it actually matters
I think loyalty on both sides have mostly disappeared. Companies that are loyal are out there and they mostly have loyal employees
Loyalty is a two-way street. Although it’s can reasonably be seen to be harsh for an employer to suddenly terminate their employees, the employees can easily do the same.
If your boss says "hey we're all family here" immediately correct them "NO we are not. Family doesn't fire you at the earliest convenience. Family doesn't fire you even after your death. We are just here to trade our time for a little money, and that's all there is to this job. We are not family. We're employees."
Once you leave the negotiating table, you become a statistic on a payscale to be cost-managed. From that point on, it is HR's (and management's) job to psycho-manipulate you into higher productivity without additional pay. If using the word "family" motivates employees to work harder and not leave the company for higher pay, then so be it.
best layoff experience I had was with a non HR person. He was the new director of my organization. He flat out said HR was going to meet with me because he has to let me go. He has to get his cost down… he stated he has wrangled with this for months trying to not make this call but he can either let three other people or just let me go. As much as I loved my job his answer made sense. I didn’t feel betrayed. I cried of course but I wasn’t angry.
isn't that usually the reason most employers let their people go, to save costs??
@@MsElke11 yeah, but it’s the way that the company does it that leaves a bad impression with former employees. If the supervisors seems apathetic it makes the entire company look bad. The guy in the comment sounded compassionate, at least.
When my mother, along with a bunch of others, was chucked out the door for 'excessive age' her direct supervisor nearly blew a gasket. The excuse they used was 'we don't need your department at that plant, so we don't need you.' 90 days later they hired a fresh out of school young lady to staff the now re-opened department. HOWEVER Mom's attorney said: "YES you have a great case for age discriminations BUT the deal they are offering is health care for LIFE!!" In the end said health care covered Mom and later Dad through multiple bouts of cancer over multiple decades. THAT was expensive!
Awesome! Good for her!
Sometimes, things we see as terrible events in our life are really gifts. God knows what's coming down the road and what you need to get through it.
Healthcare for life isn’t any severance I’ve ever heard of. COBRA benefits suck ass - companies should have to cover all of the cost while you are on unemployment.
@@Danielle-zq7kbwhy?
Your mom made out well. That must have been a long time ago. These days companies barely want to cover healthcare for existing employees.
This is why I firmly believe giving a company a two weeks notice is not valid any longer… prove me wrong
Had one job 30 years ago, where at the Christmas party I am praised by CEO and received standing ovation and had great year. Went on holidays, came back & told I screwed up & laid off.
Sounds about right
what was the supposed screw up? how did they try to justify the discrepancy between pre/post holiday feedback?
😮 I'm so sorry to hear that.
Why say this with NO Explanation ? Soundz like 🐂💩
holidays, very dangerous for jobs
This is why you don't show any loyalty to a corporation. Be a merc and be prepared to jump ship at any time.
Work efficiency has increased over 200% in the last couple of years while wages have remained pretty much stagnant about 3% increase.
Exactly… Also I get as a new hire it’s horrible to be let go, but at the same time I feel like she’s acting like she has been at the job for 35 years and actually closed contracts 😂 and is just meeting some randos 🤷♀️ companies pay u- they aren’t your friend or family, that’s why they pay u 😂
Huhu but jumping from company to another company at age 20’s might be okay, but past that age, not that much job people want to hire tho, especially in office work related. Atleast in my country area.
Short sweet and true !
At one time I was working in the O&G industry, my team had an impromptu meeting one day with the HR representative in the area. She laid off all the staff. At the end she was laughing at us until she got a phone call from higher HR and he told her that she was also on the next bus. This put a smile on my face this day.
That is a common occurrence. They often pass the job of laying staff off to someone who's going to be receiving the same message in the not too distant future. I suppose, to their mind, it minimises the 'stench' that lingers...
How could she laugh at you and your team after laying you off? What the F?
No idea, some people are sadistic like that, or maybe it was a kind of reaction, as she already knew that she will be the last one on the list. I don't care anymore.
A classic example of what goes around, COMES around!
Instant Karma.
They are out of their league with this young woman. Good for her for standing up for herself in an intelligent and coherent manner.
How do you come to a meeting to fire someone and can’t tell them the reason you’re firing them? 🤣
This baffles me. My first layoff was similar. It was a small company/start up. I was devastated. But the remaining coworkers and the ceo reached out personally and helped us find jobs.
I wish other companies follow this.
They literally said performance. Open your ears 😂
@@ragnarok7976 people can use WORDS all day long, but when they don’t have any actual EXAMPLES that doesn’t mean anything.
@@MojofoeTrust me brother, they could give you examples all day long and you would still think it's bs cause at the end of the day you're gone. And you know what, sometimes it is bs. Just take it on the chin and start applying or go on vacation. No need to be dramatic about it.
@@The-Entelechy what she’s doing isn’t drama sis. This is putting them on blast and holding them accountable. Things don’t change when people are passive and allow others to treat them like a trash can. If that’s how you choose to live your life then blessing to you.
And ACTUALLY he couldn’t give any examples because he started stumbling all over himself.
After corporate hears this recording, the HR department needs to be fired next. After 30 years of being over an HR department, this is not the way to handle this situation. Tell the truth and pay the unemployment claims. Who would want to work for this company?
This “layoff team” is trained to do this.
Yes! HR is a joke. They need to stop making excuses to avoid paying the employee unemployment benefits. That’s the least they can do.
Once the employer argued against unemployment then they should be forced to pay 120% for 5 years minimum. They'll learn their lesson real quick.
I mean I think the reason this was handled poorly is the same reason they had the layoffs to begin with../
How is a company gonna say you’re fired because of performance, but not be able to IMMEDIATELY produce data to back it up!?! How is that NOT wrongful termination!?!
The data is she made ZERO sales in a sales job. It is kind of obvious 😂
@@22wabbit not in at-will states
I LOVE this channel I'm learning so much thank you 🎉🎉🎉
@@jimbojones9118 They didn't have to give a reason. But they did. That's the problem.
If they had said "we're moving in another direction, bye" that's a consequence of at-will employment. No reason needed.
Once you make a claim about performance, you're open to being questioned about it. And that can lead to consequences, especially if you're violating employment rules. At-will isn't a "get out of discrimination free card" for example.
I'm not a lawyer, but I know this topic well enough to know this was a risk.
Self evident she made no sales
I admired her for putting this out there.
The "nice to meet you" while being fired is INSANE
You'd rather get "Hi douchebag, you're fired"?
Yep. Meant to protect those you actually work for from the discomfort of firing you.
Yep. Meant to protect those you actually work for from the discomfort of firing you.
Yep. Meant to protect those you actually work for from the discomfort of firing you.
Yep. Meant to protect those you actually work for from the discomfort of firing you.
Gen X guy. The last company I worked for, ended up firing the whole 3rd shift! One of the guys that worked third shift and had been there for over 25 years, was on vacation! Our one HR person was this cold fish of a woman, straight lied to me. After working there for 5 months without missing a single minute of work, I went home on a Friday and found out I was terminated. Because they didn't have the guts to tell me that Friday, I ended up leaving my tools at work so I had to go back to get them. I was pissed to say the least. Gutless wonder of a witch. I have a strong work ethic.
Why can’t these companies just say they aren’t meeting their performance expectations? They hired too many people, they invested in the wrong strategy, they’re not ramping as expected, they’re existing a particular field? Why do they tear down the employee and try to make them feel worthless? Ugh!
Because they expect the employees they are laying off to be idiots and blindly accept the fact that they are being let go due to performance reasons. This way, the company can pay a tiny severance (or no severance at all).
So they don't have to offer severance, job placement services, or an option to rehire or post into another internal position. They close the door, lock it, throw away the key, and burn all the bridges to the door. But clearly the company is on notice that no one in their right mind is ever going to want to work for them.
No one in their right mind is going to want to work for Cloudflare, the premier online cybersecurity firm in the world whose stock price is up 93% over the last year?
Cloudflare is forecast to grow earnings and revenue by 28.9% and 21.9% per annum respectively. EPS is expected to grow by 38.9% per annum. Return on equity is forecast to be 19.9% in 3 years.
Account Executive makes $94k/yr and enterprise account executive is $149k/yr.
@@obcane3072 🤣 Bro, do you work for Cloudflare's marketing department?? You're quoting a bunch of shit that helps the people who own stock in the company (i.e. the wealthy), or people who are connected in such a way to be able to land your quoted executive jobs (those related to the wealthy).
This is about normal rank and file workers, getting screwed over by a well preforming company. If they are doing so well, why are they firing that woman's whole department basically?
How good a company is preforming on the stock market isn't a consideration most people use when wanting to work for a company, as many companies maximize their profit margins (and therefore their stock performance) by doing things as cheaply as possible, and the main overhead in any business is personnel. Pay, benefits, and how easy it is to leave without too many entanglements are the mains ones with today's workers, so they can try to at least maximize their most likely limited times with said company.
Who do those companies pay to maximize their workforce with the lowest possible investment? Middle managers, who get a bonus based on the performance of those under them, usually some dumb ratio such as hours worked per employee.
Ever work in retail? They'll ask you to grind your ass off doing "mandatory" overtime, just to cut everyone's hours to under full time when they can sucker enough young people into working for them to do so. The general store manager gets the quarterly bonus for maximizing the place's profits per square feet, and the employees get to walk on eggshells even worse then office/skilled workers.
They are saying that. The problem is that it's a lie. If it were truth they'd have performance metrics with them (at the very least they will have already been compiled into a document, and do not need to be generated after the firing upon request), she would have been told about poor performance in the past, and she'd have been put on a performance improvement plan. Not sure what law is surrounding redundancy in this area, but she is being made redundant and they do not want this to be the official reason, probably for legal or financial reasons.
I can’t get over the HR lady saying they don’t have time to discuss details on this short call when HR are scheduling the calls.
Typical corporate
You do understand that they have other people to fire, right? They have already sent out the meeting invites. There is a schedule to keep.
@heinzerbrew was going to say same thing.
@@heinzerbrew That seems like a scheduling issue. Why would you not schedule time to explain why you're firing people, in between all the people you're firing? If anything, perhaps HR needed to be fired, for poor performance.
I'm about to upend peoples lives, with zero notice. They have rent/mortgage, bills, their lives likely depend on making steady money. Yet you don't schedule atleast 30min to discuss how you're potentially leaving them homeless and their kids hungry?
In other words, HR is not going to allow the conversation to drag on for a useless rebuttal. Terminations should be short. There is not much to discuss in the mind of HR.
In other words the HR department doesn’t know and they’re not willing to give her any information. I’m really happy that Brittany recorded that conversation.
Going back some years now, however this is worth sharing. Worked ten years in this one role, no lie, the company made $20 million dollars on one of the patents I generated and commercialized. At the (last) Christmas party, my boss told me he saw me as one of the department leaders and to expect good things in the year ahead. Fast forward two weeks later.....I get a call to come down to the main CR, he is the only person in the room, and there is an envelope on the table. I sit down, he says "that is your last paycheck, and I don't give a damn about your kids or your dying dog". Thats pretty cold and brutal from some one who told me all good, just two or three weeks earlier. He ended up getting fired himself. And then he tried to get hired where I was....I went straight to that hiring manager and blocked him from getting that job. I had others there too who knew him and also blocked him as well.
What goes around comes around
This is why I don't patent through the company, I'll pay the 10k myself
If you did on their time with their equipment/software/data, then they own that work, unfortunately.
@@aidanklobuchar1798 rekt
BASED.
My heart goes out for this girl. At least she stood her ground. Hope she found something better. Who in their right mind wants to work in HR?
People with no real education or professional skills, if you ask me.
@@HelenaVanCity it is a lack of moral compass that bothers me in some people
@@mishavinogradov7320 my company is quite small and we only have 1 HR lady, who joined about a year ago. She’s awesome. I could never join a large corporate company like this though, where everything is so robotic. After watching this I feel extremely grateful.
Geo Clooney movie, "Up in the Air" explains a lot. Hard to watch.
@@FreeRadicals305 You've piqued my interest. I need to watch it now.
The worst is when they make you feel like a criminal by making you get your stuff while watching you and walk you out the door as if you’re going to cause an issue.
I was told that if I didn't cause a scene I could gather up my desk. 4 boxes of 2 yrs. I hate the perp walk.
@@mookie8485 Walk in front of me while I walk you out of here you scallywag.
They wanted me to send all ‘their stuff’ back, all my tools, laptop, phone, parts. Maybe a pallet of 200#. Manager cut in and said he’d come get it. Gave him 2 work days cause the next was rumkye trash day. Came on second day and got a laptop wiped a phone they bricked, all my parts and SHITTY tools! He would us to buy harbor freight tools. My personal are big red, yellow, and Bosch. He never inventoried it, but me yup and pictures of his truck
At Wells Fargo they escort you out 🤦🏽♀️
As if you’re going to cause an issue? No, they’re watching you because MOST people CAUSE an issue.
A local company where I live laid off a 25 year veteran manager without severance and without cause. When he got a new job, they went after him for getting a job within the same industry (he signed a non compete 25 years ago). He was in IT and had to work as a truck driver for 2 years before getting back into his field. These companies are ruthless.
Thank you lady for standing up for yourself. You are worth your weight in gold. How were you able to video and record them. This is cool.
It's called "a camera"
I think that it is because no one is actually in the room. They are only on a speaker.
Wow, this is definitely giving flashbacks. I was fired from a job that I had been at for 15 years while I was laying in a hospital bed the day my FMLA ran out the only difference is that HR was not even present. My supervisor called me on the phone while I was in my hospital bed and told me that I no longer had a position with the company. I was shocked my nurses were shocked, considering I worked for the company that owns the hospital I was in. When it comes to layoffs and being fired HR is not there to protect the employee, they are there to protect the company and enforce the supervisors wants. I feel really bad for the young lady in this video
Say "desires" not "wants"
She couldn't understand why she was fired
She was a salesperson with 0 sales in 4 months?
Why would you fire someone like that?
She was good in meetings. Very valuable skill.
I LOVE THIS ENERGY! that "YUP, i'm gonna stop you right there.." is what employees need to start giving to these employers who belittle and disrespect us day in day out.
100%
Completely agree.
Sadly many employees won't have the words to follow that. People freeze, get choked up, jittery, nervous, depressed, angry, all kinds of emotions that will inhibit their ability to handle this as well as she did. Some people (ok many people) are bad at communicating clearly while suffering such an experience, let alone controlling or concealing their emotional state.
Some can however, and as we see...they do.
If you want the aggravation, knowing you won't really get anything back for it? -- And -- you need to have a point. Because the HR person could actually be smart - this one didn't sound too informed.
😂😂😂No. they should’ve terminated the call.
I am in middle management and since a re structure last year I am excluded from all financial decisions, people hiring and firing decisions and it’s so bad, if I didn’t need to pay my mortgage so my kids don’t live in the street.
Long, long ago, I was advised to never befriend or speak willingly with any in HR. They will take anything out of context, betray your trust and turn it against you.
At minimum you should be very very careful if at any point you're being asked to take part in a meeting where anyone from HR is present. My former employer learned very quickly to not involve HR with me directly because I will verbally go after and destroy HR if they open their mouth, easy enough since they know less than zero about actual productive work. Any meeting with me and HR just became me trashing HR and being right, so it wasn't "productive" for them heh. I've been recently terminated, but apparently HR refused to touch it so just my manager alone doing it. He also made promises they haven't kept, and tried to tell me I could keep the company mobile phone that they never gave me 🤣🤣 which was quite funny in a sad way... I was terminated because I broke my back + other related health issues meant I couldn't go to the office, so I worked remote until they shut my account off and filed to terminate me.
I worked in HR , and always advocated for the employees ~. But yes I was a ship at sea alone when it came to that!
@@noth606That happened to me when I was young. The company had meetings that it said was to improve the company. During the meeting about 30 of us were around a large conference table. Nobody answered any questions or engaged in a discussion while the two HR people tried everything to get us to comment or discuss anything they brought up. Finally one of my coworkers from our group made a comment. Everyone looked around at each other. I spoke ip in agreement with my colleague. After the meeting he went up to the HR Director and totally backtracked everything he commented on. I overheard him, but felt like I couldn’t say anything. I also thought it was really bizarre. I got laid off a month later with several others who were at different meetings. My colleague kept his job. I will never forget this lesson.
I love this young lady's discernment. She's no slow leak as we say in the South . God Bless and I pray he opens a door for her somewhere that her hard work will be appreciated . Companies look at you as disposable in most circumstances like this. I hope she at least got unemployment .
Agreed. It's not that everyone in hr is bad, it's that the snakes are SNAKES and there's so many people who almost seem to delight in others misfortune
As a manager, I would quit my job if my company was laying people off without me being there and without my input. I value treating my team members as a humans with families. This is cold and calculating. The composure and passion this lady has is very valuable. Good luck on her future endeavors.
my manager wasn't even in the office the day that I got laid off. i think he had the day on PTO if i remember right. fuck Allianz Life.
You would get replaced
"Ok bye" is what the company will say. Been there, seen that.
clearly someone who does not have a mortgage. When you get a mortgage you are trapped.
The manager was probably already fired.
If I am in a termination call...as soon as they say "We are going to have to let you go". Then I am no longer an employee and I will not be signing anything without my lawyer looking at it firs thanks. I'll get back to you in a few days.
Great response.
You'll gain nothing other than delaying your severance money that way. And if you're actually hiring a lawyer, you're basically throwing away money for 0 gain.
@@fakewarszero You must work for HR.
@@fakewarszero You know you're going to catch a lot of flak for that, right? It doesn't matter that you're not wrong. And, no, I don't work for HR. In fact I got laid off from my last job and I haven't worked since. It's important to remember that **unless
(1)There is a bona fide and properly formatted employment contract that states otherwise or
(2)Severence is a clearly established company policy**,
NO state in the U.S. makes severence mandatory. You are legally entitled by federal law to take 21 days to review what they've asked you to sign and that should be plenty of time to assure yourself that you're not signing away any rights. Unless I could really afford it and might as well, the only time I would take anything like that to an attorney would be if it was 20 pages of boilerplate legalese. But pay attention to that deadline because, again, with the previously outlined exceptions, they can retract that offer of severence. The unfortunate fact is that employees don't usually have the rights they think they have. CRA1964 Title VII was an excellent start, but we need further legislation for employee's rights because the goal posts have been moved.
@@fakewarszeronot true. Hire a lawyer, especially if the resignation seems odd and the severance low. The cost is minimal compared to the gain you may receive.
Her video was pretty triggering, as you'd expect, but your commentary was validating and reassuring. I really appreciated your input on such a traumatizing, yet pretty common, occurrence in the workforce. It can be really hard to bounce back after getting deflated so coldly and unfairly. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this.
Smart companies will not state that a layoff is performance based. Everyone should know layoffs are a COMPANY performance failure, rather than any individual employee issue. Companies use to know this.
I love that this young lady rang the bs alarm on them. Good job!
I'm so glad she stood up for herself, regardless of the outcome!
This happened to me. As soon as the OTP meeting started, they asked me if I had anything to say/ask. I said, "Just one thing, I have not been given feedback in three months and just told one day that I'm getting fired. I've gotten in touch with a lawyer and the Department of Labor will see you in court." They ended the meeting, saying they'll 'look further into this'. I then demanded to take the rest of the week off while they sort it out and for them to have things in order when I report back to work on Monday. Needless to say, their case was baseless, so I got to keep my job.
Lesson here is recorded your session?
I don't mean to be rude. But why would you want to stay this place? I think it's awesome that you fought back. But if they already pulled one you. Then they'll get you again when you least expect it
My husband was on FMLA. When he returned to work, his supervised had retired unexpectedly. The guy who took his place hired a buddy into Mark's position, which was fine as someone needed to fill in for him. BUT, on Mark's first day back to work HR took him aside and said he was being laid off. He called me; I called my lawyer who referred me to a labor attorney. They were served papers by week's end. They settled for a pretty penny.
They can just make you go through fake performance improvement sessions and still fire you saying you haven’t met the performance standard.
If I were you, I would use those extra few days to look for jobs outside of the company. Sooner or later they’ll fire you
They are looking for any way to fire you that they can get away with and it’ll happen sooner or later.
Good for her, she had the guts to hold them to account. As a human you have the right to defend yourself in any situation.
Company - "Why are our employees always stealing from us, have no loyalty, and giving away our secrets to our competitors!?"
Also Company - "We're going to fire you randomly, suddenly, and in such a way that unemployment will become impossible."
Thank you for providing your commentary throughout this video. When I was laid off HR told me it was a "business decision." I soon found out the "business decision" was my boss replaced me with a friend of his who had very little experience.
And this is why I left the workforce to start my own business. It took years for me to realize that these companies boil you down and reduce you to numbers, and that HR is really only ever looking out for the company and not you. I’m so glad she recorded this. I hope she is doing well after losing her job.
@@ignoreme1141How would they know 🤔 I think her post clearly states that she's employed.
I spoke to older business owners and a few of them urged me to work for someone else because its constant stress to own ur own business. You shouldve gone into insurance cuz im chillin
Insurance is such a scam. But I'm glad you are doing well. gotta get it when ya can😂@Poodlesnpussies
@@ignoreme1141 i am!
@@Porcupinemist it is soooo stressful they were right. But there are a ton of upsides to it like creating and working on your own schedule and nobody to fire you but yourself lol
Good for you girl. This is a clearing house. They are reducing the numbers who might take them to court. Keeping fighting, firmly and laconically.
Two quotes that I absolutely love to be mentally prepared for such situations:
1. Love your job and not the company.
2. A bird doesn't worry if the branch he is resting on will break or not.
That's very good advice. Clever bit about the bird not caring if the branch breaks. Young people need to hear this advice. Love your job not the company. Fantastic.
Sorry I’m young, can someone explain? Seems to me when you don’t worry about the branch breaking ( just assuming it will support you) you fail to plan a safety net, and it’s a huge shock when it does break.
I must be missing something. Can anyone clarify please?
@@icu3869 since the bird has wings it need not worry if the branch breaks. It will fly away and sit on another branch. Similarly, I need to be so self sufficient or confident about my skills (read wings) that it wouldn’t matter if I loose the job.
@@soumen_dasYes, it's a daft aphorism...
@cheapchipsable huh? Can you elaborate?
The main issue was that she was not being laid off, she was being fired for inadequate performance before she even had a chance to perform.
This corporation uses the "revolving door" hiring and firing system. She can reapply in a year if she wants to return.
@@DavidHalversonnot likely that she’d want to, is it
She had four months in sales, and failed to close a single sale. She had ample opportunities to perform, and failed every single time.
@@wesjones1417 if the company didn't approve of her performance they would have let her go by the time she finished ramping/ training, she was only on the ground for a month that included closures for Christmas...
If it was actually about her performance then the company/HR would have been able to pull her supervisor's critiques and coachings for the very short time she was in her role AND the company wouldn't be laying off a whole group of employees in back to back meetings.
This was a corporation's attempt to avoid paying out severance pay which they are legally required to do when they do layoffs not firings.
@@wesjones1417You have no idea what she’s selling so your point is pointless. If she wasn’t meeting expectations, should her manager after four months on the job have discussed that with her? This company is just trying to avoid paying unemployment on a group of people they never should have hired in the first place, period.
I love how she stands up for herself! Good job girl!