Porsche 718 GTS 4.0 vs GT4 - Five reasons why this new Cayman GTS wins.
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- Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 Litre 6 cylinder.
When the 718 GT4 arrived last year it restored the faith of many Porsche devotees.
It’s key tenet not so much it’s sublime handling, that was a given, more it was it’s mighty 4.0 litre naturally aspirated flat six engine.
and now a sibling has arrived, this delightful 718 GTS which also packs that 4.0 litre flat six motor, so does it mean we should now buy this Cayman GTS instead of the GT4 ?
well stay with me because I’m going to tell you 5 reasons why you might want to do just that with point number 5 making sense of the whole GTS thing.
Car kindly loaned by our friend Dr Guru
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Whoever's in control of that drone has skills. Thanks for the points buddy, that 4 litre flat 6 is amazing. Happy Friday 👍
high praise indeed thanks ! me doing the flying ! have a nice weekend - Roger
nice drone flying
This is an excellent review, very well made and narrated, it would appear the GTS is a superb sports car and better suited than the GT4 to every day use. I have subscribed and looking forward to more videos.
thanks Barry
Fantastic video Roger and as always very informative 😉👌🏻
excellent Roger the filming and drone work are spot on, very enjoyable
glad to hear you liked
There I was on wondering what happened to your channel, but the silly TH-cam algorithm was playing havoc. I’ll be playing catch up with your channel this morning, glad you’re still cranking the content out and I see the production (and enthusiasm) continues to rocket!
glad you found me again Andrew, I'll have more content for you in the coming weeks
nicely produced review once again rodger keep them coming
thanks Al will do
Thank you for the review.
Excellent review Roger - pick up my 718 GTS 4.0 in November after owning the 718 S since 2018..... looking forward to the subtle tweaks but especially the flat 6. I was offered a GT4 slot but decided on GTS as completely agree that if you’re not a regular track user then the GTS is the better regular road drive even if fairly low mileage like me. Can’t wait!
thanks Gary, roll on November !
How do you like your 718 GTS 4.0? I am currently considering getting one.
My 2021 Cayman GTS arrives in 4 weeks! Your videos reduce the pain of my grueling impatience for its arrival. Thanks
worth the waiting :-)
@@RogerBaileyOnCars Hello Roger! I also decided to install Pirelli winter tires on day one dealer prep. Gonna want to take her out in the cold weather!
What a great review and lovely video. Thanks Roger
Glad you enjoyed it !
Brilliant Roger , thanks for this great review.
thanks Mohsin !
Nice balanced review. Glad you made price differential a factor as most people have to live in the real world, and £11,000 is nothing to sneeze at. Your average enthusiast won't reach the handling limitations of the GTS, so why fret over the GT4 when everything you need is right there with the GTS.
proper review brilliant, thanks
thank you Pedro
My GTS 4.0 arrives in December...counting the days! Great video, Roger, keep up the good work!
Enjoy!
Thank you. I'm looking forward to mine arriving!
Have fun!
Roger I just configured a GTS in yellow. My wife asked where it would park. Good progress in my world. In response to building on to our garage earned a look I know well. Great review.
thanks Max good progress !
This Channel is so undervalued
Roger's Porsche content is second to none.
Roger great video again in content and cinematography- think I prefer more of a daily driver and extra comfort. And drone shots are amazing....😎
Thanks Kevin, good point
Loving that Cayman gorgeous car particularly in yellow, great review sir
your colour !
Excellent thanks Roger. It’s on the list and hopefully testing at Chester soon. 👍🏻
your welcome Chris, you will enjoy that test drive 👍
Bought a Brewster Green 718 GTS and waiting patiently now...
First time viewing your channel and very happy to subscribe. Your video has me torn between this wonderful Cayman GTS or to go for the classic 911 997.2 🤔 I'll have to ponder some more....thanks again
delighted to hear you have subscribed, welcome :-) good luck with your car choosing ! - Roger
I have a 981 Cayman GTS and love it. Max revs documented my purchase. Great Video Roger.
cheers Tom, 981 GTS is a real sweet spot
Great vid Buddy 👍
Petrol Ped thank you Peter
Excellent review - first time I have seen one of your videos, and I like the script, the length and the professional delivery. I watched because I am keen on the car - I loved the 981 GT4 but would probably have preferred it without the GT bits (no front parking sensors on a GT car, why?). So I would go for a GTS. But I won't because I am happy with my M2 Comp - better value and more practical to offset the things the Cayman does better.
Thanks Mark, M2 comp is awesome
Really depends on what you want. Track toy = GT4, weekend sports car = GTS 4.0
More like fun daily driver so I can enjoy life more, LC 500 C for the weekends.
wonderful Roger a very well made video once again
thank you Gina very kind
Enjoyed the review. Would you have this or a 991.1 GTS manual as your weekend car?
Great review! Thanks Roger. I just sold my 14' 981 S w 6 MT, which i owned from new. It feels like the GTS 4.0 is too little, too late. The asking price is also ridiculous for a platform that has been around since 2013, not to mention the car's biggest flaw; very tall gearing. I think i will save my money for the very promising Corvette C8 Z06 which should come with a 5.5L 32v DOHC flat plane crank, pumping out upwards of 620hp @ a screaming 9k rpm, mated to the excelled 8 speed Tremec dual clutch for roughly similar money (in Murica). P.s: i am also sick and tired of Porsche not taking my money twice in exchange for the 991.2 GT3 and 981 GT4. They really know how to rub their clients the wrong way.
Well reasoned out😂😂
The c8 z06 does seem like very much car for the money,and does promise performace indeed;However,tragedy is unless you're American,you can kiss it goodbye😭😭
Corvettes have always been hopelessly over geared, too.
What does that mean that Porsche didnt take your money? Does that mean that they didnt want to sell you these cars? Sorry for asking, I‘m new to this exotic car game 😄
@@Nordheide correct. They won't sell you the GT cars if you are not a high value customer &owned multiple cars of high value ie turbos ect. They have a list of high $ people & they refused to sell me the GT4RS because I had never bought a Porsche product before
Agree. Fabulous sports car. This is on my want list. Have to say I'm saving and also holding out for the PDK variant which will come to the UK next year. Nice video. Enjoy that amazing car 💛🔥🏁😎
thanks Simon, pdk will be good !
Chris Nolan called - he wants his soundtrack back ;^) Even a 'Tenet' reference to boot! Well played sir. A very valid question and I agree that 'to track or not to track' is truly the question - and perhaps access to the GT4 anyway. Net-net, the tall gearing holds this 4.0 back and I'm betting on a Porsche adjustment here - be it changing the final drive and/or PDK...
Hey D Wray good to see you, yes tall gearing is a point, pdk will be interesting
@@RogerBaileyOnCars I know advocating for an automatic is against the tradition of sports car fans, but the ratios of that transmission are just going to be so much better for this car. You'll be able to stay in the right RPM range through a LOT more of your driving. It'll just be the better car, even if you have to focus on handling the power rather than focusing on changing the gears...
@@BillLee3 Y I think if a PDK had been available I would probably have gone that way. I think when/if it is the majority of new buyers will opt to take PDK over the manual. I think/hope my manual will remain a desirable car for resale when, as an older gentleman, I can no longer get in and out! I suspect one of the aftermarket specialists will offer a shorter final drive at some point when there are enough on the road but I will wait and see how it drives first. Most road testers seem to feel its an amazing drive as it is and there will be advantages to having a car that does most of its high speed road work in 1 gear.
@@michaelsalter2473 The stick will remain desirable because it may not be faster, but it'll be the fun track car setup as the car's value decreases and makes that actually reasonable for people to do (Most people can't _seriously_ track a $110K+ car).
There are people already modifying the gear box to make 3rd, 4th and 5th have much closer ratios. That would at least allow you to use third a lot more in mountain passes. However, 1st and 2nd are much harder to change and they are really just too high. The PDK ratio in 1st/2nd/3rd (assuming they don't change it) should only get you to 43/75/104 mph instead of 54/85/121. That would mean it's much easier to keep it in the higher torque/power band of 4500-7500. The alternative is to drop the rear ratio and then change 3-6th so you aren't doing 4000 rpm at 80 on the freeway - but that's probably prohibitively expensive.
Bill Lee just done the first 25 miles. I’m not going above 4500 rpm for first 1k miles but there is a lot of low down pull, even from 2k revs in 6th. I don’t think gearing will be an issue at all now I’ve driven it.
Great video! I have a 2019 Cayman S, and I'd like to upgrade! Many thanks.
thanks Tyler
Good video, well done sir
Thank you kindly
Great review. While the 718 has more power, I’ll stick with my well-optioned 981 Boxster S for now. Top down with that exhaust note is phenomenal and more than enough power. Too much, actually, for normal don’t-get-thrown-in-jail driving, as are most Porsches.
do you still have your 981 boxster s? i am struggling to choose either 981 BS with famous 3.4L NA or 718 S with 2.5L F4. I like the sharper look of 718 and like the idea of running a newer car, less problems when it comes to MOT, and other issues and also like the fact that it can gain a lot more bhp by simply tweaking ECU by specialist and it will become a properly fast car that does not need to be worry when fast hot hatches or even cars like C63 or M3 (previous gen ones) come behind at the track (i do many times a year). Or just stick with 981 S and enjoy the sound and save money. So hard to choose.
@@borinvlogs I actually sold my Boxster S and now own a 981 Spyder. While searching for my Boxster S, I did drive the 718 with the 2.5L engine and while it’s a very nice handling car with good low end torque, I hated the sound of the engine. It really comes down to personal preference but I really Ike the NA flat six engines. It’s what Porsche is known for. Good luck with your hunt!
What a great review of a fabulous car. Is the 992 GTS good enough to be worth £50K more than this car? Would the extra power be needed or useable? Would the rear engine be a compromise compared to the mid engined Cayman GTS? I love both but which is the best car for British road use?
Your summary was spot on with my thoughts. GT4 for those that need the ultimate performance (track duties). GTS for those that will daily or use their cars mainly on the road. I'll be sticking with my 981 Cayman S until I can afford a used 718 GTS which maybe never.
I drove this car at the dealership two weeks ago. Excellent drive! But I want the wing on that GT4 😉
After market baby! I threw an aftermarket on my older 06 C4S cabriolet … it’s gorgeous looking !!
@@gooseghazi How did you get a wing on the cabriolet? By the way, I traded in my 07 C2S cab for the GT4 about three weeks after I drove the GTS. Awesome car.
Dear Roger, excellent video again. Been waiting for this one. Mind asking, is there a significant difference in ride comfort between these 2 cars with the 10mm height difference?
thanks Stephen, yes the GT4 is only just acceptable GTS is comfortable
Greetings. I have placed an order for a 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 for the reasons that you mentioned in your wonderful review. I wanted a flat six several years ago, but it was not available, so I purchased a 718 Cayman S instead. The mid-range torque is addictive.
Recently I had an opportunity to drive a 718 GT4 and I loved it. Since I am not planning to track the car, I agree that the GTS 4.0 is the way to go. It was so nice to drive a naturally aspirated engine again. I am counting the days (85) until the new car arrives. I can't wait..... but I guess I will have to!
great to hear this Stephen, it will be worth the wait
New subscriber, Roger and past and future Porsche Cayman owner.
JasonS550_ great to have you on board !
second time of watching this video and it wont be the last, excellent review style
cheers Barry
Great video and a very useful topic. Next question, 911s vs 718 gts 4.0, any thoughts?
think I'd take a 911
Great video as always Roger! I will hit 120,000 miles on my 987 S sometime next month. GTS 4.0 is a VERY strong contender to replace it after being my daily driver since 4/2010. Keep up the good work!
thanks Tamos, thats an impressive mileage on your 987 S !
Hey Roger another great review :) Are you likely to review a pdk GTS 4.0 ?
thanks Mark - hopefully
Love the yellow. Same as my pdk 718 spyder
Managed to get on the the list for the new pdk gt4 next year, so excited to drive it!
congrats John, fabulous car
@@RogerBaileyOnCars cheers mate, and thanks for all the great content, keep it coming!
After 28 years of 911 motoring, and given the large size of the 992, I think this will be my next Porsche
Check comment above. 981 GTS is still extremely capable with a better soundtrack. The new one got their exhaust modified :-).
Exactly what I am now thinking. I have a 996 Carrera, but I do not want the 992 Carreras. So I am strongly considering the GTS 4.0. Have you gotten a GTS yet?
Thanks Roger for a very insightful and informative video! I have just ordered new Cayman GTS with PDK for delivery around April/May (the only spring/summer slot available at my dealer!). I actually had the option to buy a GT4 but decided against it since I'm not a track nut and will probably only track the car once or twice a year. Black metallic, black leather and carbon fibre interior, not all but many "creature comforts", and debadged for an even more understated look :-).
(This car will replace my current Golf R 2016 with APR Stage 2+ (420 hp/580 Nm/3,9 sec) as my personal "fun car", and I will keep my RS6 2014 as the family car. My only previous Porsche was a 996 4S Coupé from several years ago, which although a bit under-motorised at only 320 hp was one of the most pleasurable cars I've ever had).
you've ordered a great car should look "mean" in all black
@@RogerBaileyOnCars Thank you Roger! If you have a minute or two to kill, please feel free to take a look at my spec and let me know if you think I have missed something crucial (or added something you think is completely useless :-):
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Great video Roger, GTS would be much better road car with softer suspension set-up. If giving great feedback to Porsche is what it takes to get an allocation I doubt I’ll ever get a dust cap 😂 997 is getting dusty
thank you RE I'm very keen to try that 997
Hi Roger.
Nice review as usual but I will go with gt4 on gts.. Simply gt4 is ultimate best mid engine Porsche out there.. Thanks and be safe
thanks Hamad, yes GT4 is a stunner
Nice vid Roger. Totally agree about the styling. If such a thing existed, I'd love a de-winged GT4, running Michelin SP non Cups. Best of all worlds for 90% road and 10% track.
cheers, de-winged GT4 interesting concept
@@RogerBaileyOnCars
There are some pics around of a couple of dewinged examples, it looks awesome to my eye 👍
i'd take the GTS 400BHP is a lot and the handling sounds amazing, GT4 for track GTS for everything else, great video
thanks Alan, yes we agree
I test drove a yellow GTS on the back of this review at the week-end. What an absolutely brilliant car, looking to order one this month.
Enjoy!
Hi Jimbo. What's the current lead time if you don't mind me asking?
@@rickp9946 I was told September/October build slot if I ordered in January. Didn't happen in the end for me though as I found a Used 718 GT4 instead!
Roger - what are the seats in these as they don’t resemble to sports/adaptive sports or the full carbon bucket. Are they aftermarket seats??
Understated looks is important for me. Mine, due in October, will be my first Porsche and my wife was less than enamoured with my choice when I told her I’d booked a build slot. When we went to spec there was an Aventurine green 718S at the dealer and that was the colour we went for. She is now totally engaged and loved the look of the car. Out of interest I think I saw a DJI mavic drone in the windscreen, is it the 2 Hassalblad camera or an earlier version?
great choice in car Michael glad wifey approves, yes drone is dji mavc pro 2 with Hassalblad camera
Pictures look clear, are you running 60fps? My son is looking at them and I liked the idea of a hassalblad camera, wasn’t sure if it was a marketing stunt but I their reputation goes before them!
Michael Salter yes I use 60 FPS so I can slow down some shots for effect
I have a 2014 Boxster S with 77K miles on it. I drive it every day and night, long trips. Only two issues in 7 years, the door panels started to lift where you would rest your arm. That was a 7K dollar repair which Porsche offered to pay half after 4 years of ownership , just of warranty. Fortunately the dealer paid the rest, second problem was a failed radiator cap that dumped the antifreeze. I bought a new one and no problem since. Next year I’m planing a trip to Europe for a new Porsche at Stuttgart and drive in Europe for a 3 weeks. Not sure what to buy 714 GTS or the Mayan GTS. Any thoughts!
Thanks for amazing video! Question for first time Porsche buyer : can't decide whether I should get base Cayman or gts? How can I decide? It will be a second car just for fun trips etc. (No planned track use)
The tempting part of the gts are the standard options vs the base version. What else should I be taking into account?
Hi Sruli, Best advice is to go drive both cars, If you're looking at new they are very different in engine feel and sound, the base having a small 4 cylinder turbo charged engine the GTS sports a large 6 cylinder motor and sounds more brutish. Last years GTS has that older 4 Cylinder and is very similar to the base car save a bit more power, lowered suspension and more standard kit, and a fair bit of alacantara trim. Oh and they are all brilliant ! - Roger
@@RogerBaileyOnCars Thanks Roger., Actually am looking at buying new. I figure the base will be exciting enough. I was just wondering whether you need to be a Porsche aficionado to really appreciate the GTS or are mere mortals also able to appreciate it. Taking a test drive is nice, but won't satisfy my question about long term ownership. I would normally just get the base one as a first time it should be enough. It's just that the TH-cam is awash with reviewers stating that this car is the best thing since sliced bread. Sruli
@Roger Bailey loving the Miami Blue shirt😉 The new 4.0 GTS is a great car but I wouldn’t swap my GTS Targa for either the Cayman or Boxster or even the GT4 but I would swap it for a Spyder and I will be😁
good move Earl
Another stunner roger I’ll take the GTS thanks
thanks Ed
I noticed the bottons and a dial on the wheel I found find an option to have that on the gt4 so is it a gts only thing
I was able to buy a GT4 with essentially a brand new credit, no previous porsche owning experience, and no connections. Even said porsche isnt limiting the models and wants to sell these
You are exactly right about how hard it is to order a GT4. I was practically laughed at asking for one before even previously being a Porsche customer. Of course, this was pre-COVID.
I’ve since ordered a gentian blue GTS 4.0 for myself and I am eagerly awaiting my Canadian delivery early next year.
gentian will look very cool
Roger Bailey it wasn’t even on my radar until I saw it in person. The vibrancy of the colour just can’t be captured properly in film.
Lovely car. Very yellow :-))... I recall when these Cayman first came out people said they were the cars to buy if you "couldn't afford a 911". Then they drove one and said that Cayman's were made that little bit less powerful than the 911. If not, then they'd beat the 911. and people wouldn't buy them. They were that good.
However. I've gotta find out where that straight road is. Looks kinda naughty if you have a heavy right foot ;-))...
Nice one Mr. B. Some stunning camera work and editing again.
Your No1 Stalker.
good to hear from you Mr Stalker, I dont think you have missed a vid which I really appreciate, 718's are becoming the definitive Porsche sports car
Nice review :) as always an erudite and superbly filmed production :))) - not sure the blur out of traffic really works though :)
But with regard to your Click Bait 5 points:
1) Availability - just because you can walk into a dealer and order a GTS doesn't mean you're going to get one ! Thinking of 2nd winter wave of COVID here :( - I don't know how Porsche UK works but I had no problem into walking into my dealer and buying a new GT4 off the floor at a good price - certainly didn't get any SA snootiness or attempted dealer markup!
2) Practicality - the GT4 has as practical and warm cosseting feel as the GTS - maybe more so as it has more Alcantara ! Both are superb interiors and very similar - comes down to whether you prefer a furry or smooth skin knob and wheel - as a somewhat furry fellow I though you might like the stubble feel of Alcantara ;) - as a DD I find no problems whatsoever with the GT4 and really can't see any day to day practicality advantage with the GTS - even the Cup 2 tyres are reasonable in the wet with a modicum of careful driving
3) Cost - you rightly point out the GT4 is 11k GBP more yet negate this advantage by pointing out the GT4 hasn't depreciated since September yet the GTS is expected to.
4) Appearance - well this is very subjective with no clear advantage as to not having a rear wing and diffuser
5) Drivability - you point out the GTS loses 5% in grip and cornering and whilst the GTS sounds an incredible drive it doesn't make it a better buy by having marginally less taught suspension and tyres!
BTW I ordered a GTS 4.0 - but after being talked into trialing the GT4, I loved it and even without any desire to go tracking I’m not going to give it back! All in all both superb cars !!!!
Thank you John for these points and contribution, yes both are great things, GT4 is special and deserves it's status, its seeming lack of depreciation right now is the bonus, GTS pips it for every day use, best wishes - Roger
roger another great review! question - does the 4.0 gts have less or no pops and crackles from the exhust compared to the cayman T. is the turbo T exhaust not emore gratifying tham that of the 4.0?
thanks for visiting again Y D its subjective, no pops and bangs from the 4.0L but overall sounds better in my opinion.
@@RogerBaileyOnCars after disappointment from the cayman T’s engine (no drama) traded my T for a new boxster 4.0 gts shark blue delivery April 22 can’t wait 😛
@@yd5016 bring on April ! great motor in that 4.0l
Hi Roger, really enjoyed your review on the 718 GTS 4.0. I have had (both used) a 966 and 2006 Cayman S. Did enjoy the Cayman more than the 966, it just wanted to be driven hard and keep giving so much back to the driver. Wanted to get the new 718 GTS 4.0 PDK as my wife will have to drive it sometimes. This will be a retirement gift to ourselves. The bucket is not bottomless, what do you think is the min spec that I should go for to enjoy what the car has to offer?
Hi George, I'd spec park assist with camera, and keep the standard seats, everything else is un necessary. There is no wrong choice of gearbox, and Colour choice is the toughest decision. Roger
Great video Roger - I’m interested - Anyone know when a PDK version will be available in UK?
thanks mick, 4.0 GTS pdk should appear in 2021
My dealer said they had not been notified in the UK yet and he felt it was unlikely in the first half of 2021, of course they aren't necessarily first to know but he felt he had more than enough business for the manual and could fill every build slot easily.
@@michaelsalter2473 They will be arriving mid June of 2021 for most gts and gt4 PDK deliveries 👍
@@donutdoesminecraft already got mine, I actually am really enjoying the manual. There is long spacing as they report however it makes it an easy car to drive. Engine is capable of pulling from low revs and change is so enjoyable it is easy to just drop through the gears.
BOOM Roger, damn that opener f$%#, this hands down is the reason you want this car, pure poetry
award winning film maker eh Joe is in the house folks, thank you sir.
@@RogerBaileyOnCars lol more like small time YTber but big time Roger Bailey fan.
GOT THE VIBE ! love ""
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Great Video Roger! How about 981 GTS vs. 718 GTS 4.0? Is the 718 GTS 4.0 worth the upgrade??? Is it an upgrade? Would you change if you had a 981 GTS Cayman?
thanks Paul, Differences are small but the 718 is better than the 981 in most ways apart from the exhaust sound
I concur with many points here - and that is why I have a GTS 4.0 on order and not a GT4!
Congrats!
Thank you for an honest report. My problem is; change the car to this GTS and PDK (will arrive next spring) or Manual shift. Now driving a Cayman S, 2016, with PDK
cheers Stig Palm best take a decent long test drive, manual box is a pleasure to use but then that pdk is excellent!
@@RogerBaileyOnCars Thanks for the reply and a lengthy test drive with manual shift is due. Who wants to pass away curious...Ha Ha Ha!
THe GT4 looks amazing......mean and powerful. What more can I say?
Torn between the GTS 4.0 or an F Type P450. Very different cars but having test driven both still cant decide! The F Type has the visual and aural drama but the GTS felt so engaging and connected to the road.
A very balanced review. I agree with you. Although the GT4 is very special it’s a bit shouty. The GTS looks like the perfect package. BTW where is that long straight piece of road you used for the drone shots? I used to live in Cheshire and can’t remember ever driving along it.
Also, doesn’t the GT4 have same gearing problem?
Thanks, the GT4 has very similar gearing to GTS, - the road is in Buckinghamshire
Roger Bailey aha! Not the one that goes from Buckingham to Stowe?
Got my GTS in Aventurine green and love it’s understated looks. I find the driving fantastic, the long gearing isn’t and issue because it pulls in every gear. I wouldn’t want the big wing or bright colours. Balance of the car is stunning, it’s just a pleasure to drive and on an early long run the 3 cyl mode gave me 30mpg, though when I chase it we are smiling at 20!
Did you consider any other colours besides the Aventurine Green?
@@davidwang5354 Gentian blue was the only other, I wanted a quiet colour.
My dream car!
I think you’re spot on, except I wouldn’t trade my 2016 GT4 for a 2020 GTS. Lucky me, but I think the usability of the GT4 is just the same as the GTS,. I do believe the cost factor is the major benefit for the GTS, but I bought mine used with only 6k miles in it, and it was completely wrapped in protective skin so it looks like new. I’ve owned numerous M cars and other Porsches, but never a 911 although I’ve driven several GT3s on tracks, and yet I still think the GT4 is almost perfect even for road work. Cheers and keep up the good work. Taffy from So CA USA.
thanks Taffy, those 981 GT4's are very special
Does the gts 4.0 have no lift shift?
I picked up up my 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 in Python green on the 1st and it is exactly what I wanted, can’t recommend it highly enough. I am fortunate enough to have a paint to sample 718 Spyder on order and I’m currently trying to decide between 918 buckets and the standard seats which are great in the GTS 4.0.
great cars there Mr jmr ! if it helps I chose standard seats for my 718 Spyder and having driven another one which had the buckets I remain pleased with my decision.
@@RogerBaileyOnCars I love you videos, Thanks for taking the time to. reply, I think the standard 2 way seats are the way to go. £3800 will be better spent on taking it on road trips. I have family down in the north west, it would be good to get some pictures of my Oslo blue 718 spider along side you Miami blue one, once it arrives.
Nice video. I will say though, that I have never bought a Porsche and have always wanted a GT Porsche but refuse to pay overs for the car. For the 981 GT4 there was no chance, I called but couldnt get one, however my friend did and had never bought a Porsche before. This time round I called Porsche and was told the 718 Spyder is sold out but was immediately offered a GT4. When I said I wanted the spyder they then said they can get me one of I wanted. The 718 generation isnt as limited as the previous generations. Residuals I think have already soften on the used market for both generations but by next year I think they will have had a deeper impact. One thing that is clear though, the 718 GTS 2.5 is going to get hammered by residuals. PDK has also been announced and I think its pretty clear Porsche will make and sell as many as they can.
Roger, It could be that the GT4 is more popular in England and Europe whereas the GTS will be a big seller here in the States? Both are awesome and I'm looking forward to driving them for a comparison!
its a interesting point Guit
GT4’s (at least in the US) are readily available since they are no longer a limited production model
Roger, I agree that the GTS is a good way to go, especially when ordering a car to your exact specs but I just checked our local dealer here in San Diego and they have four GT4's available. The only question for me would be.... do you want the more hard core track oriented car with the big wing and bucket racing seats or more of an everyday driver in the GTS that doesn't draw quite as much attention.
Good point Guit, and yes it seems GT4's are now becoming more available
@@RogerBaileyOnCars Roger, since you've tested the 718 Boxster T/Cayman T and now the 718 GTS 4.0, which would you choose for a non-track drive given speed limit constraints in the UK and the US? It's about a $20,000 difference for the extra 2 cylinders if we spec the cars the same way. Both of these cars have pretty much the same performance goodies.
Great review. As owner of 2015 GT4 I have no need or desire to buy the latest model GT4 or even the GTS , as the original GT4 is so good and gets better with age. Utterly addictive car. I am sure the GTS will suit 90% of Porsche drivers. Will be interesting to see how good and how expensive the upcoming GT4RS will be.
981 GT4 is a sweet spot for sure
$150k in the US for the GT4RS I believe
I just can’t stand the front bumper. The 981 GTS front looks so much better.
Fantastic 👏 Review with Absolutely Spot on Points, now I know better!
I think the issue of being able to order a GT4 is very location dependent. Now sure where you are at, but I am in the US and in the Silicon Valley, where there is A LOT of VC money and GT4's are quite common around here. I also think LA is a great place to be able to get ahold of a GT4 as well. California does suck in many areas, but having access to expensive cars is one of its perks. California has like the 5th largest economy in the world.
Hi Roger - I know you own the Spyder and my question to you is would you go with the GTS now ? The spyder does not look too comfortable in comparison and it should only be driven with the top down and that effects the practicality everyday aspect. I am biased towards the spyder but don’t want a car that is going to spend time in the garage. Looks are breath taking but comfort and long term usage is very important. Your thoughts?
Hi, tough choice ! both the GTS & Spyder are amazing. GTS is quieter, has that auto roof and is more practical, Spyder is more fun more special and is also perfectly usable and comfortable enough as a daily driver. I use mine mostly with the roof up especially in this UK weather, it sits on the drive sometimes too in all weathers and is as weather proof as a regular boxster, The Spyder is by no means a garage queen type of car. Personally I'd take the Spyder over a GTS. tough choice as I say ! hope this helps - let me know 👍... - Roger
@@RogerBaileyOnCars Thanks Roger. How is the front lip on the entry on the driveway. I know it sits 30mm low but more concerned about scratching/damaging it on the entry and exit. The spyder has the short throw vs the GTS? Most of the purists and driving journalist have seemed to shy away from the 992 in favor of the Spyder even thought the gold standard is a 911. What gives? Doesn't the 992 have the same issue of the long gears vs the Spyder? Thanks
Sub, liked and bell. Now please answer my question. For city driving, what's gear are you in and what about highway? My friend has a GT4, for city driving, he won't go pass 2nd gear and same with the highway. So it's not fun for daily driving but for track it is with the GT4.
Great to hear you have subbed, liked and hit the bell! cheers Kevin,
So for city driving I'm using gears 1 to 5 & highway into sixth, changing around 3 or 4k revs just like a normal car, even fast cross country driving I'm changing up at around 6k rpm only occasionally reving it up to 8k you dont tend to rev this car hard as the engine is very flexible, its a serious fun machine despite the slightly tall gearing. - regards -Roger
@@RogerBaileyOnCars Thank you for your reply Roger, I'm not a track type of person so this GTS is right my daily driving. Kind regards, Canada
....I chose a new 2.5 F4T over a 4.0 GTS. Same torque, but much earlier (from 2,000 rpm) and flat torque curve. PDK box, which isn't available in the 4.0 yet. It's a great and easy/lazy car to drive.
Paul many dont get the 718 2.5 personally I think it's stunning
What's up with the blur @0:38?
I’ll make this easy. More color choices, save $10k, and get real door handles.
GT4 is a real GT car so in the long run it will hold more value. If u want daily driver=GTS. If u track or show it’s GT4
Im so torn, I plan on daily driving but the gt4 is more my style and depreciation taste
sunnohh I understand fully. You should get what you want and forget the resale. It wouldn’t be 5-10% difference between the two, and if you really get what you want, the depreciation won’t matter as much because you’ll be likely to keep it longer. Now, if you like the GT4 better, that’s what you should do.
Hi Roger - Why do you think the GT4s are now becoming available - my 2.5 GTS is due to be replaced in May next year. No problem getting a 4.0 GTS to replace it, but having driven a 992 I understand the difference between the two cars - where would your money go - 718 GTS or 992 2S?
Mark, its 718 GTS for light nimble sports car and 992 for everything else, personally I'd take a 992 Targa
Roger Bailey - I had thought about the Targa but my OPC said that the roof mechanism makes noises that would drive me nuts - plus I have read that there is a lot of cabin turbulence with the roof off. Best looking 911 there is I have to admit though.
@@markkingsbury8718 my own 991.2 targa didn't make noises and the car in general felt the same as the coupe its an odd thing for an OPC to say, and wind turbulence was fine, I found it better than the cabriolet in that respect.
Shouldnt the number be 6 instead of 4?
How did those seats feel Roger ;-)
they were a delight Janko, even for an old man like me.
Excellent and very nice video, congratulations.
Do you think that the sports suspension of the GTS PASM -20 mm is also comfortable enough for a daily driver and for sightseeing trips on small country roads?
Thank you very much for your answer.
Yes, absolutely
Awaiting my 718 GTS 4.0 to arrive from the UK, being shipped in about 1 week to New Zealand. My journey in the sportscar world, started way back many years ago with a Lotus Esprit S2 before I was married. With kids, cars had to take the back burner but got back in initially with a Toyota MR2 Turbo. Gave up on that looking for more performance and jumped into a BMW M6F12, and what a glorious car that was with 560HP. But when pushed into corners on road & track was just too heavy to handle and feel right. Moved next into a Lamborghini 560-4 and that had all the drama and theatre as you can imagine, but just too hard riding for anything over a 30 minute drive and no luggage for any type of road trip. I was looking for something that I could enjoy for the odd track playday but also use for a weekend get away. Never drove a Porsche before and recently test drove a 718 2 litre manual and wow that was fun. Forgot as a driver, how great it felt, how engaging a manual transmission is. 718 handling was awesome. So I knew this was the answer I was looking for. Was surprised with the performance of the 2 litre (no Lambo) but fast enough for the open road. But was worried about the 4 cylinder residual value. It will be one of those car that is real easy buy and really hard to sell IMO. So like you say Roger the GTS 4.0 ticked all the boxes. Can't wait for it to arrive. I think it will be a car that I will have for quite a while.
some good cars on youre list, 4.0 GTS will be excellent
@@RogerBaileyOnCars 4.0 GTS is excellent! Picked mine up 4 days ago. What an awesome car to drive, and honestly people talk about the tall gearing, not an issue. There's enough torque in that flat 6 that it doesn't matter. Handles superb and sounds amazing! Very happy:)