There's another aspect to the 6 cylinder engine. Some people are complaining that it's a bit characterless below 4000rpm but I actually think this is a huge virtue. Below 4000, the engine is silky smooth and quiet so you can waft around in peace and harmony touring or watching the world flow by. It slinks around like a Bentley, soothing frayed nerves in a wash of tranquility. But...floor it and rev it and it comes alive howling like a banshee and screaming from apex to apex. So, this is actually two cars in one. A creamy tourer and slot car all in one. My brother has a Honda S2000 which requires thrashing and revving at all times. Rewarding in its own way but you finish a drive like a caffeine junky, sweating and shaking. It's so good to have a choice. The joy of six.
@johnwatt .. +1. Spot on, the nose! ..My brother drives the high-revving RPM Honda S2000. .. Read a "caffeine junky" drive character,,,,,, to the otherwise an uber-sophisticated Honda chassis.. . "Different strokes, for different folks" ... Cheers
You are so right. I thought I wanted an S2000, but it is so much better to have a car you can enjoy at any speed and RPM. With the Porsche 6 you get a nice sound and good torque plus the unhinged wail at the top.
That Honda S2000 sounds fun ;) Sweating and shaking like you had 100 RedBull after a drive sounds perfect lol. But I think I will still prefer a Porsche Cayman as a daily drive.
Where r u gonna rev it,in the middle of nowhere or a track?.Don't we all use our car more in b roads and normal with speed limits.what is the point in having a car which can be only enjoyed in special conditions and situation,when the cheaper car has better driving characteristics in everyday driving situations
i just rented and enjoyed a Porsche Boxster 718 S, Flat 4, 350 HP, 2023 model in PorschePlatz Stuttgart 2 weeks ago and I loved the experience driving about the winding hill roads of the Black Forest region. The engine tune and exhaust sounds rorty and nice. Anyway I enjoyed it.
The reason people often say the Porsche flat six doesn't sound like much until you get it up in the revs is due to the exhaust valve control settings. Even in sport or sport + mode with the exhaust valves "open" they will still close between something like 1-4 thousand revs. A $500 valve controller and 20 minutes solves that issue. Then you get that lovely noise even when going around town. The 4.5 seconds to 60 you are looking at is for the manual GTS 4.0. The PDK is .1 seconds quicker to 60 (stated) than the 2.5l model. The sounds difference is something that's completely personal and its frustrating to hear all the reviewers say it sounds like garbage. It certainly doesn't. The pops and crackles give it a character the 4l doesn't have. You have an absolutely lovely car. Im expecting a C GTS 4.0 in the summer so thank you for helping pass the time until then.
Should also be noted that you can't trust any numbers from any of the VW group's brands, it's sort of an open secret they'll make the numbers fit whatever they're trying to achieve, for instance the sporty Golf versions are on paper always quicker than their counterparts from the other brands (Seat & Skoda), but when put to the test those counterparts perform as well or better. It's just that VW politics demands that the Golf must be quicker. So they'll just tweak the numbers. They do the same thing with horsepower numbers. I suspect the GTS 4.0 doesn't produce 400 hp but rather the same 420 as the Spyder. They're using the same engine and I doubt their tuning's actually any different. Instead the numbers on paper are tweaked so that the buyer has more of a justification to go for the Spyder. I can speak from experience, my car is from a VW group brand and supposed to be a few milliseconds slower than the Golf model with the same engine. It isn't. It's actually faster than the Golf is on paper.
I bought my 2018 718S Boxster 4 months ago. Always wanted one and saw mine at Porsche center south London and fell in love with it. Its heavily specked and probably paid over the top but it is a beautiful car. I had no idea how many people really dislike the 4 cylinder and like you say most of them have probably never driven one! I think mine has a great sound and with the UK roads as they are now I wouldn't want anything faster! Great review Pete.
Thank you for making this comparison. I own a 718 Boxster S. it has been a great little car! Having said that I have been looking to upgrade to 718 GTS 4.0, however, I can’t justify the price difference. There is no question that the GTS 4.0 is a better sounding engine. However, I don’t normally drive over 5000 RPM on my daily commute to enjoy the sound. If I did that, I would surely get many speeding tickets! Also, I think a 2.5-liter engine is an easier car to live with given its low-end torque characteristics. So, for now I’ll keep my 2.5 liter. Thanks again for taking the time to do the comparison!
Interesting comparison, I can’t say I agree that they both sound good. I had a cayman 2.5GTS, and now have a 718 GT4, the engine in the 2.5 is definitely effective, punchy at low speeds as you say, but very monotone and it never put a smile on my face like the flat 6 does. Also, the PDK 4.0 is said to do 0-60 in 4 seconds, the 4.5 second time is for the manual. It’s fine to defend the car you bought though and the cabin size comparison, that’s really interesting, not something you’d expect!
@@simonm9923 must be something like that. Or perhaps the back is less upright? Always the top bit that hits the bulkhead when I go all the way back in mine
@@simonm9923 yep doubt they would have reengineered the structural bulkhead. The platform would have been designed for the 6. Not sure but might have needed crash testing certification.
Hi mate great video! 718 Spyder owner here. The weights are wrong and so is the 0-60 for the GTS 4.0 PDK. The GTS 4.0 has a 7800 RPM redline. Cheers from Italy and keep up the good work!
I love your honesty in the review. You suppose something, put it to a test, then when surprised by the result you are not afraid to adjust your opinion. While on camera. Quite rare. You have my sub!
2:40 The weight difference it wrong. Porsche quotes the PDK GTS 4.0 at 1435 Kg and GTS 2.5 PDK at 1405Kg which make it about 30kg heavier. A couple of cylinders and less a turbo can't weigh over 121kg more, that doesn't make sense. Interesting comment about the leg room though. I wonder if the carbon bucket seats creates more legroom. Between the sport plus seat and the bucket seats the bucket seats always look like it has more room behind the seats, not sure if that'll translate to leg room.
I have a 2018 718 GTS Loaded with a sticker price of $106,000 However I brought it certified used from a Porsche dealer, one year one and 6 k miles for 72k. The first buyer took the big dollar hit. After buying I had buyers remorse thinking I should have gotten the flat six... but now I agree with you for the reasons you brought up... it was a great choice. I'm in Vermont USA, there are none up here and the school boys go crazy turning their heads when I go by... got to love it LOL
Great review! I have the GTS 4.0 Cayman, and I love it for all the reasons you said (even though you prefer your 2.5 Boxster!). Something you didn't really touch on is the handling - I guess because it is just sublime in both cars - but I wondered if you noticed much difference in the corners with the extra weight of the 4.0? It was a fascinating conclusion you came to - something that would never have occurred to me as a shorter man! Surely Porsche have a solution to the size issue? Something I really like about your videos is that you're always looking for the good even in the things you don't prefer - the tone is always very positive. Also the fact you come across as humble and very grateful you get to do this. Thank you.
People forget that the 981 range was widely criticized for lacking in torque (prior to the GT4), and the turbo four 718s solved that issue (despite sounding more like a Subaru). At 6'2"", my choice is clear. Great comparison review!
They don’t sound like Subarus. The engine architecture is different and exhaust system are routed to sound much better. You really think Porsche wouldn’t engineer the sound too?
I often think the engines probably have sufficient torque for the weight they need to lug, but the gearing is far too tall, they should have sorted the gear ratios out! Even since the 2.7 Boxster they could do about 75mph in 2nd gear which seems a bit pointless. I need to try a 718 though, I bet they are faster just about everywhere.
That’s insane. Mind blowing actually. I can’t believe I haven’t heard about a smaller cabin before now. Obviously it’s not advertised. Crazy. Thanks for sharing as this is significant. But for me, the extra $20K is also a deal breaker
@@PetrolPedjust seeing this video for the first time (recently bought a new Cayman GTS 4.0; and your excellent video hit my TH-cam feed). At 6’1” I fit great. I couldn’t imagine a company as small as Porsche re-engineering the bulkhead to fit in a larger engine, especially since the 718 carries over so much from the 981 which were all 6 cylinders. With the same-spec seats, I can’t imagine there is any difference in space.
I have a BMW Z4 and made the mistake of buying without driving it first. I have the exact issue you mentioned with the leg room. I just can't get the seat far back enough so within an hour I end up with cramp and have to get out. I've had the car less than a year and already having to sell because it just takes the enjoyment out of using it. Your point about not buying something without driving is a very good one!
6’5”, really appreciate your reporting this discovery! And I’m actually surprised at how small the sound difference was b/n the two engines, I thought it would be more pronounced.
I really preferred the 2.5L in autocross to the flat 6. The 6 felt heavier and less agile. The variable vane and high compression make the engine plenty powerful and remarkably responsive. I'd pick the 4 for daily and autocross and be happy as a clam it's a great total package.
The review no one else has done, and very well done too 👏🏻 I did of course know the conclusion and it's still baffling as they have the same seats. Let me know what porsche say. On the weight Harry Metcalf weighed the 4.0 at 1,280 kilos. He was so shocked he did it twice to check and had a full tank of fuel. As others have pointed out 4.5 to 60 is for the manual. Having driven the 4.0 man and PDK, only a few days apart, I can honestly say the manual felt quicker, by quite some margin. Very odd I know! Probably my brain playing tricks and my in-built manual preference. When driving the PDK I also think using the stick is much nicer than the paddles, the stick feels more mechanical and again, probably my brain playing tricks, but it felt like the shifts were more punchy. Try it and see? I also much preferred the 4.0 to my 981 spyder, better riding, quicker and not as obnoxious on the exhaust. I was so impressed I ordered one, as you know. I would also have no problem with a 2.5. The Boxster is an amazing car in any guise, I've had 3 and they are just about the best sportscar at any price.
@@georgepotcovaru2595 I actually haven't driven a 2.5. I was comparing manual & PDK 4.0 and 718 and 981 manual Spyder. There is no wrong answer with a Boxster, they are all amazing cars, I have just bought my 4th .
Great comparison 👍🏽 I never saw that last reason coming and it makes a lot of sense! On getting cruise control retrofitted - something to bear in mind is that if you're doing longer motorway runs, then the cruise control doesn't utilise the car's "coasting" function well, which can result in notably worse fuel economy on long runs. I have cruise in my 981 Cayman GTS, but rarely use cruise on the motorway for this reason. (Apart from avg speed zones) I appreciate that these obviously aren't the kinds of cars we buy for fuel economy! But every little helps 😊
Great review, for enjoying B roads I think the 981 GTS might be the one to have. Better gearing and sound. Would be great to compare the 4.0 to the 3.4 👍
That’s because it doesn’t! Not a cabin dimensional difference anyway. Could be seat style, height , recline. Pete has committed to get to the bottom of it
@@simonm9923 I'm with you, I thought it had to be seats or something. Presumably they are both "the same". One doesn't have manual forwards backwards and the other electric etc.
@@PetrolPed have you found out any more? Do both cars have identical seats? Is one the electric 18 way sports plus and the other the electric 4 way sports plus? I.e. the 18 way one taking up more space with its motors?
@@carfleet6703 This ^ - admittedly, I "only" have a 981 Boxster S but.... when I was looking to buy mine the seats made a huge difference to leg-room! Thought I wanted the 18-way but, the cheap seats gave more room. At 6'3", this mattered!
Check out the top of the seats in the seating comparison. The seat in the 2.5 is about 3” higher than in the 4.0. I believe that with the lower seat in the 4.0, the backrest will contact the ledge behind earlier and mean the seat can’t go as far back. With them set at the same height, I’m sure the legroom would be the same.
It’s worth seeing if there’s any difference with the steering wheel mounting too? I had a cramped problem on a Jaguar V12 24:44 XJS - Convertible where the early cars steering-wheel slid in and out, but later cars only moved up & down. I’m over 6’ & long arms so I was fine in the 1988 car but a 1993 car was awfully cramped. Because of my height there are many cars I can’t get comfortable in. If you get pain in your hip joint this can be fixed by putting a cushion into the driving seat to lift your hips slightly. I’ve had this problem on a few Ferrari’s. Any early cars with bucket seats will pinch hip joints! On a test drive it might not be noticeable, but on a long drive the pain becomes unbearable. On six Ferrari’s I’ve had to alter the seats in someway. My current Ferrari is older than my previous car but has a better seat! At 76, I’m less into performance but enjoy the ride & driving, of a 1988 Mondial 3.2, a very under-rated car with a comfy seat!
I’m the original owner of a 986 Boxster S. The best upgrade I ever made to the car was switching to GT3 bucket seats - they gave me a lot more headroom and legroom and made the car truly a great fit for me. (I also installed GT3 console delete and that helped with lateral legroom.) I’d be curious to see if bucket seats would improve the GTS 4.0 similarly.
Thanks for excellent review. Did try them both and (being 6.1) kind of spotted the feeling of different driving position. I completely agree on the verdict - to me flat four simply offered more fun in a broader rpm range. More videos please.
Thanks for the video! I’ve watched it a few times as I’ve been shopping these two cars. Just bought a low mileage (15k) CPO 2019 718 Boxster GTS in GT Silver & Black full leather 18-way PDK. Picked this one not b/c I’m too tall to fit the 4.0 well, I’m only 5’8”, rather couldn’t rationalize the ~$20k USD difference in entry point for the least expensive 4.0 vs 2.5 on the pre-loved market. Been loving it! 🍻
Fantastic, informative video. Im just about to take delivery of my 718 GTS 4.0 manual. I was very tempted with a 2.5 due to its flexibility , especially on UK roads. A track day at Porsche Silverstone won me over with the 4.0 and as we are about to wave goodbye to naturally aspirated engines, especially when coupled to a manual box that made my decision. Porsche kindly lent me a Boxster 2.0 with a PDK for the weekend, and to be honest that was still a brilliant, balanced and entertaining car to drive. In all their guises , modern Porsches are pretty hard to beat 😊
Sir, for some odd reason, I’ve never bumped into your channel until today. Absolutely love the content and delivery. And that FACE you make when you listen to the exhaust noises. Only a true petrol head would get it! 😅
Funny you should mention gear ratios. When new MINI came out, my Dad was a delivery driver for the local dealer. When asked which one someone should buy, he said the normal Cooper but not the 'S'. The gears had been changed for the S to make the numbers look good on paper but had ruined it's drivability.
I agree the Spyder is the car to have, but it’s another step up from the GTS 4.0. I think it’s a lot to do with budget and weighing up what you can can live with. If you have the budget why not get a Spyder or the softer driving GTS. Neither have the 4 cylinder turbo engine . Times are changing and it won’t be long before the combustion engine is a thing of the past, that’s a certainty.
This just reinforces how I feel about my 718 Cayman S. I almost bought a 981 GTS w the old 3.8 F6 and hated the lack of torque and the lack of character at lower rpms. I’ve got most of the same kit on mine as a GTS except the 18-way seats and Sport Chrono so the only thing I’d like to do now is get a Softech tune, a downpipe and go ham 😁
Brilliant appraisal, and who knew it would be a design change that meant you could not have a 4.0........ but you made the right choice with your car, accidentally or not.
Makes me miss my old 981 Cayman - even the engine in that sounded fabulous and because it was just the 2.7 you could really rev it out. Manual too with sports plus...fab car. The 2.5 flat four sounds just like a flat four - monotonal and dull but certainly effective!
@@drbobs8267 I think its a compliment to compare it to the gorgeous Subaru sound. First thing I thought when I heard it w/o seeing it was that someone fires up his aircooled beetle with sports exhaust. I was surprised seeing a Boxster instead in front of my house. Love that sound of the past🥰
Interesting vid, in my 4.0 litre I’ve fitted seat lift brackets which have made it comfortable for my long legs also the zero to sixty time of 4.5s I believe is based on the manual box
I write this with bias as a big fan of flat six BoxEngine, however the flat four BoxEngine is intrinsically Porsche. The flat four delivers and will present a challenge to most flat six naturally aspirated engines, including the 911s. I still prefer the flat six and the naturally aspirated manual gear Porsche. Excellent comparison Pete!
Great comparison between the two Ped. Very interesting comparing a two year difference. Both are absolutely incredible motor cars with plenty of power and the drivers area is brilliant Porsche build quality. Like you've said in previous videos, everyone is different and you buy what you can afford, the best withing your budget. I have to agree with you, there is not a £20k difference there that would push me to the newer model. It's crazy that after your full road tests and comparison that the decision would come down to the newer having less leg room! That's totally unexpected and I can imagine has affected alot of potential buyer decision... Overall comfort is the main priority, especially when spending that amount of money! Enjoy every second of pure motoring pleasure 👌🙏
I’m 5’11”. I own a 99 Boxster and just got a 2023 Spyder. The Spyder is unreal. The best. And I have zero problems fitting in the Spyder. Plus, the Spyder will hold its value more than the other Boxsters these days
I have a Boxster GTS 4.0. My previous car was a 2006 Boxster S. I am 6'2". Took me a day to get adjusted and comfortable. Great cars! Love the one you're with.....
Fascinating comparison video Pete 👍 Especially comparing the weights and interior space. No one comments on weight between these cars but as you say, it can really make a difference to how a car feels & drives. Also driving on torque is very different. Much more accessible. Although I suspect the 4.0 would feel better with lower gear ratios. Did you notice any difference in responsiveness between NA and turbo? Would have expected a bit of lag somewhere on the 2.5.
Excellent GTS v GTS comparison! As a Porsche addict for most of my adult life (more than a dozen, starting in 1996 with a 968 CS and including front, rear and mid-engined models with 4,6 and 8 pot motors - so I'm no flat-six snob!) I have sampled almost every derivative, but I've never had the chance drive 4 and 6 cylinder 718s back-to-back. The unexplained cabin space discrepancy should not be a deal-breaker as it's probably just down to seat adjustment - the seats are the same in both cars and the cabin architecture in both is carried over from the exclusively six-cylinder 981. Other factors (looks, ambience, performance, weight, chassis dynamics) appear to be very similar or a matter of taste. For me, in these final days of ICE power, the 4.0 is much more desirable. The six-cylinder engine sounds a lot better, delivers it's power in classic NA style and revving it out would never be a chore. But it'll cost you at least £12k more than the 2.5, which is without doubt the best value car here. If this was a GTS v GTS v GTS comparison, you might be wishing you'd saved another £10k and bagged a six-cylinder 981 3.4 GTS - best of both worlds?
You've highlighted something that I've never heard before - I would have thought the seating positions would be exactly the same. Also, the significant extra weight of the 4 litre highlights the extra componentry needed, which in turn goes to the reduced space.
There is no reduced space, all 718 Boxster interior dimensions are identical. Different seat specifications and adjustments (eg backrest angle) can lead to perception of reduced legroom. It is not a 4cyl vs. 6 cyl issue
Hi Ped Well I was right that Lady P would win, but I did not expect your reasoning. However I do appreciate the importance of comfort and use ability for a daily driver. Like you over 6’ and inside leg 34 so seat position very important. My criteria going back to my provisional licence, if I could drive over an hour without discomfort, OK, if not reject the car. Surprisingly cars that passed the test ( and used as daily drivers) Lotus Super 7, Lotus Elite Super 95, Morgan Plus 8, Roadster, Aero, to name a few. Cars that failed the test Flat Flor E type, XK 120, Toyota Celica and many more. So comfort & driveability, then move onto the more emotive issues. Which is what you have done with this video. With you 100% on this one.👍👍
An interesting comparison and a discovery that very few would think of…less cabin room! Now I am 5’9” so would fit and I have always loved six cylinder engines so would have only considered the 4.0 but, lighter weight and greater enjoyment mean a lot! I’m pleased you prefer yours…now without any lingering doubts! Well done Peter…this week I’m using my SL again after a week in Cornwall and I just find it’s creamy engine to be endlessly enjoyable…and the steering handling is a joy..but I’m comparing that with a Discovery Sport so not exactly unexpected! Stay safe, Richard😀😀😀
Another very good and very honest review. Being the owner of a 718 flat four, I am obviously partial. I have commented previously about the sound haters that say it sounds like a Subaru. Obviously, nobody buys a Porsche to get good gas mileage but I get over 30 miles per gallon on the highway with my turbo charged flat four. Just another bonus. And, I love the way it sounds. It’s rough and raspy and I like it.
Great video and objective comparison. Owning a cayman 718 S, i was considering upgrading to a 991.2 S, tried recently a 992 GTS also...and honestly... yeah they sound great and look nice, but the overall perfs/driving feeling, not mentioning the ridiculous budget difference, make me love my 718 even more. Of course that's a very personal feeling, but i agree when you say that price/pef/looks considered, the 718 is maybe the best sport car out there right now (seems the A110 is amazing too but i haven't tested it so can't really say ^^).
The reduction in cabin space is a huge issue. As a tall guy I really appreciate you discovering this aspect. I have the 991.2 GT3 and cannot fit with the carbon buckets. Porsche lowered the carbon seats in the 992 GT3 but it's only an issue for the taller drivers.
This to just turned out to be an expose on why the GTS 4.0 is better for the mass majority 😅 Thanks for the comparison. Porsche did well with this upgrade to the 718 GTS, not surprisingly
Great video! I have the same car as you. The silver 19 GTS. I think it sounds insane. I love the pops when you lift off the throttle. The same pops sound a bit muted in the flat 6. The torque character is what makes me not want to get a 4.0 GTS. 2.5 makes peak torque at 1900 RPM 4.0 makes peak torque at 5500 RPM That’s a lot of fun skipped driving on an ordinary trip to the tennis court. Had no idea about the cabin being smaller. That’s made me certain I am in the right car! I frequently drive long distances. Cheers to our cars!
Just a quick FYI, there's a few inaccuracies in this. The engines are the same between GTS 4.0, GT4 and Spyder, the weight stats you quoted aren't correct - you quoted the minimum AND manual weight figures for the GTS 2.5 PDK (i.e. weight saving options, carbon buckets, etc.), and the GTS 4.0 PDK figure was way, way out - the difference between the two PDK cars would have been closer to 30kg, not 121kg. The rear diffuser of the GTS 4.0 isn't the same as the Spyder, the Spyder shares it's rear diffuser with the GT4 though. And as others have mentioned, Porsche quotes the GTS 4.0 PDK 0-60 at 4 seconds, but it has been tested at well below 4 by other journalists. Otherwise, great vid - the leg length issue was a big surprise!
Well I didn’t expect that. Makes perfect sense though. The result, that aside, is as I expected and as I think I commented before the review. The 2.5 feels more nimble, and the torque of the turbo will always be more impressive lower down. Both cars are superb. I don’t think in the 4.0 they have captured the full flat 6 sound that my 981 has in spades, owing to regulations, though again no doubt the 4.0 is technically better than the 3.4. Top class review again though. 👍
Brilliant Video showing the comparison between the two versions was very surprised on how one was smaller on the inside but when you explained made perfect sense.
There is no reduced space, all 718 Boxster interior dimensions are identical. Different seat specifications and adjustments (eg backrest angle) can lead to perception of reduced legroom. It is not a 4cyl vs. 6 cyl issue.
Interesting comparison! First thing to get out of the way is that there isn't 140kg between the two, but to be fair I can't find a definitive figure either. The lowest I have seen is 8Kg. Autocar said there was 60Kg between then. Remember the 4cyl has turbos, cross pipes, intercoolers etc. to offset that smaller block. On the most important points, I am aligned with your assessment. I have 4.0 Manual and compared it with 2.5S PDK. I thought the 2.5 was faster than mine, certainly felt it. There's a linearity to the 4.0l that belies it's pace. The 2.5 is pizzaz and zip. It had a bit of lag, then real midrange punch that feels 'wow', then it gets a bit 'rung out' above 6500rpm compared with 4.0l. The 4.0l has no pops and bangs on the over-run however. So it's however you like your poison! For me it's the velvet sound of the 4.0l that I love, but if I didn't fit (I had no idea the cabin was shorter), I'd have no issue with the 4 pot. Keep up the good videos Mate!
Fantastic video, you’ve absolutely nailed it.I’ve had a base 718 and now GT4 and they are obviously very different cars but the base was way more comfortable than the GT4. The 2.0 and 2.5 are fantastic engines and allow you to really engage with the car because as per the test they make lots more low down torque. 4.0 def sound so much better but again the 2.0 and 2.5 sound great. I thought I needed the pinnacle GT4 but in reality now I’ve had both I’d say the 2.0 or 2.5 is the better car to live with anyday.👍
I’ve been trying to look for a comparison between the two for a while and couldn’t find any that provided such good information. Direct comparison of engine sounds, 0-60 mph *without* launch control (since we rarely actually use it), and the seating position difference! What an unexpected surprise! I completely agree with you the 2.5 is portably better for daily drives, and one thing I do enjoy more of the smaller engine is exactly what you mentioned 6:29, the popping turbo exhaust noises. I am blessed with shorter height (much less than 6 ft) so I’m happily enjoying the flat 6. Thank you, Ped, for doing such an amazing comparison review! I definitely think you made the right choice for yourself.
Really awesome video Pete, as a huge boxster fan it was great seeing a side by side comparison. My pick would be a 981 2.7 manual at £25k. I did test drive the 718 base model in PDK and loved it, and completely agree with you that the light weight and low end torque is awesome on normal UK roads. I tell you what though it’s hard to ignore a 987 2.7 manual for under £10k, a lot of car for the money. I plan to make videos on a 986 boxster S and 987 Boxster manuals this year both purchased for under 6K, so keep your eyes open on my channel. Thanks again loved the video and appreciate the time it must have taken to put together.
Great video thank you very much for the detailed comparison which conclude exactly my thoughts. I’ve had the RS60 and 991S both flat 6 engines and currently I own a 2.5 GTS Cayman. Although at times, I miss the cruising, top end sound of the flat six,…I for sure do not miss not having the low end torque that I expected of those cars. I much rather prefer my Cayman GTS 2.5 for 90% driving characteristics that I do in town for all the reasons you mentioned. I also have a Dinan M4 (an Etron S and Model S) but after driving this mid engine joy it is by far the car I’ve enjoyed driving the most.
Ever since the 4.0 engine appeared, we've been waiting for a review like this: An objective look at the cars without any preconceptions. I am not sure about your weight figures - there should only be about 40kg between these cars - but otherwise I think you've treated them fairly. Surprised to see the Boxster lost some cabin space but at 5'10" I'd not have noticed it. The 4-pots got a lot of stick when they first appeared but a lot of it was people simply being unwilling to accept change. I had a Cayman T which I loved, with the 2.0 turbo instead of the 2.5, but a lot of the plus points are the same: low down easily accessible torque and decent power, with the advantage you are never really in the wrong gear as there's always 'oomph' on tap. Engine note was aggressive and the only thing it lacked being an OPF-fitted car, was the crackles on overrun. I did trade it for a Cayman GTS 4.0 however because for me the linear power delivery was preferable, and I wanted to spec some things I skipped the first time around. The flat 6 is even better with an aftermarket backbox; BC Fabrications make a good valved system which restores most of the theatrics and shaves 10 kilos of weight off in the process. To be honest neither car needs to go beyond 3rd gear on a B-road blast and that does mean you can rev them both out, or choose higher gears and cruise. Both 4.0 and 2.5 are fantastic cars, and so long as people pick the right one for them, rather than listen to "the herd" they will be getting a fantastic sports car.
I made two mistakes. You are right about the weight figure. Not sure how I got that wrong 🤷♂️ Also on further investigation the cabins are exactly the same. Still can’t explain my lack of space 🤔
Do you feel that it was worth the upgrade going from the 4 to 6 cylinder? Did it change your enjoyment with the car in everyday use? Especially with the new exhaust
@@GoldPlatedCheese For me the 6 is the nicer engine to drive with a manual shift, I find rev matching easier and throttle control more intuitive. The sound is tuneful, not quite as raw and aggressive as the 4 but at high revs the 4 doesnt have the same tuneful quality. The new exhaust just amplifies that character and allows you to really hear the engine note and not just drivetrain. And it still sounds sporty with valves closed - perfect for normal driving - but really comes alive with valves open as it gets some burbles and chatter but without the comical pops and bangs beloved of the boy racers. I did notice far more aftermarket options are available in this area for the 6 as its the GT4 engine. By comparison only a few good systems are availble for the 2.5 S/GTS. None of this is to denigrate the 4 cylinder which I absolutely loved and had some great times in, and will always remember fondly. I am very glad I got the 6 cyclinder however.
Thanks for a well balanced review. Whilst logical I just never knew about the firewall being closer with the 4.0. I agonised between a 4 & 6 cylinder and purchased a 718 Cayman, stock standard non ‘S’ with PDK and Sport Chrono. Coming out of an M2 Competition, I would have to say I have more fun more often in the Cayman. The 2 litre motor still delivers huge punch at legal speeds and all the lovely poise & balance of the chassis is still there in spades. I cannot recommend highly enough. As you say, the Cayman in any guise is one of the best sports cars out there. You can’t beat a pure bred Porsche in my opinion. Thanks again for a great comparison.
I bought a boxster without knowing anything about cars. I didnt know what a turbo was, what hp or nm meant. I had owned a Peugeot 206 and a Kia, walked into Porsche just to try one for fun and it was amazing, walked out with a Boxster and now Im in love with Porsche. Any model is just mind blowing over the competition, recently had 2 different BMWs and they just feel dull afterwards. And I like PDK cant be hassled with manual lol
Excellent vid.A lot of work went into that one.Thank you.Really enjoyed watching.I am fairly tall,just over 6'2" and I have found some cars too cramped as well.There have been a few instances where I have been able to drive a car as an auto where I wouldn't have room for my knees as a manual.Vauxhall Corsa being one example.
Thanks Pete for a great video. The ending was a real 'Tales of the Unexpected'. How did the response of the engines compare i.e. did you notice turbo lag in yours when comparing them?
I prefer your setup. Yours has a nicer exhaust note. I like the black top too, and you probably get better gas mileage. The tiny difference in acceleration off the line doesn't matter to me. Also, lighter is better. PS: plus the savings of £20,000!!
Thanks for the hint. I'm 6'3 so when I win the lottery, I'll be going for the 2.5L but in Cayman format. (Not a soft top fan). And yes - The 6 cylinder engine sounded GREAT
According to the Porsche website there is only a 25kg difference in weight between both cars, and like for like in terms of age and spec there is little as £4k of difference between models based upon what used stock Porsche have available.
Great video, thanks! I’m 6’6 and I’ve got a 4.0 arriving in April. Were they the 18 way adjustable seats? I fit comfortably with the standard seats, but not the 18 way.
I've got the 4.0 GTS. Happy as a clam . I love the thing. Mine is dolomite silver too. Great, subtle blue in the paint. I've got a blue top and interior and the combination makes me smile to look at it. I like your grills. I'll see if I can add them to mine. I'll see if I can add them along with the JCR intermediate pipes.
It's all down to personal choice, I had a 981 2.7 base with PSE, that didn't have as much grunt but it sounded unbelievable. I had driven both the 2.0 and 2.5 718's and for me the sound was just not somethin I could live with, being a short legged driver, the 4.0 does it for me, also my friends don't complain that my car is too noisy now 🤣 I find it hard to believe the bulkhead is different, that really wouldn't make comercial sense, are the seats the same in both cars? 18 way, 14 way etc. It looks from the video that you had the 4.0 seat much lower which might affect the movement.
I borrowed a 4.0 GTS 718 and thought it felt flat and deliberately de tuned. The same lump in a 911 feels a lot more entertaining. Pre-OPF 981 Spyder for me - based on noise alone 😀 Flat 4 sound is not what we’re used to from Porsche today, although most people forget that Porsches had 4s long before they had 6s.
There is no 'same lump' in the 911. The GTS4.0l takes the 3l 911 engine, turbo's removed, then bored and stroked to 4l along with many other changes. No 911 has anything similar.
@@PetrolPed the four pot 4 didn’t deliver, that’s why they axed it , stop trying to kid yourself,an kid other people PED. You lose credibility with these sorts of videos , enjoy your car, comparing it to the new model is silly. It just comes across like you’ve got buyers remorse, the same as the GP3 videos .
I love the way you think you know how I feel…you couldn’t be more wrong. I’d by a Clubman in a heartbeat over a GP3 and love my 4 pot GTS. Porsche haven’t ‘axed’ the 4 cylinder it’s just the GTS Boxster/Cayman that has moved to the flat 6. I thought you were in the trade and knew what you were talking about 🤷♂️🙄
@@jorgeteixeira1922 it’s just buyer’s remorse that makes him make these crazy statements. You can’t have a conversation with him either. He starts moderating your comments like a big tit . 😂
In 2019 I went to Porsche to test the Boxster, couldn’t get comfortable in it (I’m 6-4). Bought a BMW Z4 Sdrive35is and LOVE it. Now the 4 cylinder 917 Boxster has ample room in it AND I WANT AN S ! You have explained why, thought I really missed something. Oh well, love and learn.
That was a really nice comparison between these to GTS’s. The flat 6 when your rev it out sounds orgasmic, but your flat4 does sound good and I can see from the driving point of view that the 4 is probably the better daily alrounder. I do find Porsche is a brand that I can fit in comfortably (I’m 6ft4 slim man). I’ve never been able to stretch out in a driving position in a car! Always hunched up.
Intersting comparison. I have an old 981 GTS Cayman and love the sound. However, the real enjoyment is the manual gearbox. I can't afford the new 4.0 version anyway!
Had the option of a 718 or a 981, picked the 981 S because I couldn't live without the flat 6. I have the Pse exhaust and it sounds incredible, no need for anything aftermarket, I'm 6'1" and the car fits me absolutely fine, I find the gearing in the 981 PDK much better too. A 981 vs 718 video would be good?
There is no reduced space, all 718 Boxster interior dimensions are identical. Different seat specifications and adjustments (eg backrest angle) can lead to perception of reduced legroom. It is not a 4cyl vs. 6 cyl issue.
As a ‘2018 718 box GTS owner - I love this video :) never drove a GTS 4.0 or a simple flat 6.. so can’t compare.. however yeah it’s a definite smile inducing driver pleaser. Having taken it around the Silverstone Porsche tracks learnt a lot more about its capabilities. Love it even more :)
Pete. Great video as always but regarding the cabin size I really can't see Porsche introducing new tooling just for the BGTS4.0. Did the 4.0 have 18 way seats? This is the only thing I can think of. The extra electrics and motors do reduce how low you can put the seat in the 18 way, just wondering if it also limits the travel fore and aft? Re the steering wheel, you have the standard wheel whereas the 4.0 has the multifunction wheel which is also heated. As a side note, the engine and gearbox in the 4.0 GTS is the same as the Spyder and GT4 but with different engine mapping which reduces the red line to 7800 rather than the 8 of the GT4.
I ran a Cayman T manual last year and the noise of the 4 never really bothered me. I kinda liked it. It had a nice, old school, air-cooled sort of blatter at start-up and made a nice enough noise when it got going. The harder you worked the engine, though, the less inspiring it sounded and on track days, the noise was something you tuned out rather than enjoyed. Never really bothered me, although had I had it with PDK, it would have been a non-starter given how that gearbox adds an additional layer of synthetic noises to proceedings. I’m back with a flat 6 now and… there really is no comparison on the noise and emotion front. Worth noting that the T would happily trot out around 40mpg on a cruise. A great little engine and having tried it in a Macan T, I preferred it to the Macan GTS as a worthwhile trade off for much more agile handling - that 2.0 looks like a Terry’s orange in a laundry basket under a Macan’s hood. Very interesting note on the driving positions. That was unexpected.
Have to disagree with you. I think the rear view of your car looks far better than the 4.0 With having the central twin exhaust it just looks more balanced.
Good review. I started with a 987 cayman base manual and loved it. Moved to a 911 camera 2 997, awesome car, but couldn’t drive fast enough to enjoy the engine note. I traded it for a 981 base with pdk, 275 hp, so perfect held in 3rd on the b roads, always hearing that engine note. I tried the 718, amazing drive , but for me, the non s 981 is the most fun I ever had in a Porsche.
The sound of the 4.0 is a totally different level! And it revs so nicely, It is the only option here! But I think since it’s been available and for the foreseeable the 2.5 is a relative bargain. Also I don’t agree that you have to thrash the 4 to make it sound good. Anything above 3k rpm sounds epic. Really enjoyed the video
Btw, I have the 4.0 cayman and I’m 6’3. Don’t have any issues which space, my seat still has plenty more room to go back actually, so maybe just an issue with the space in the boxster?
@@PetrolPed Just finished a wash after 4 weeks of salt and grime and wow what a wonderful looking car whatever engine you have the privilege to pedal 👍
If you're a big car enthusiast and track person, and obviously have the $$$, go for the 4L, 6 cylinder. If you're just an everyday driver, like me, looking for a a fun everyday sportscar that you can still take the track at times, the 2.5L is awesome and more than enough! The 4.0 will obviously sound better, but you will never be able to use it to its full potential on the street. The 2.5L still sounds awesome IMO.
Interesting video. Have you tried the 981 GTS? It beats them both for noise... and quite easily to be honest. It is straight up nasty the way it howls on the way up and bangs on the way down. However, like the 4.0, it has even less low down the rev range, so you often have to make "noisy progress", which if you're not in the mood is a definite negative. Agreed on the F4T noise too - I think they sound quite throaty and muscular. Shame that all the filters and emissions regs have strangled the sound of the 4.0 so much. Try the 981 GTS - it's the last of its kind in terms of noise :-)
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There's another aspect to the 6 cylinder engine. Some people are complaining that it's a bit characterless below 4000rpm but I actually think this is a huge virtue. Below 4000, the engine is silky smooth and quiet so you can waft around in peace and harmony touring or watching the world flow by. It slinks around like a Bentley, soothing frayed nerves in a wash of tranquility. But...floor it and rev it and it comes alive howling like a banshee and screaming from apex to apex. So, this is actually two cars in one. A creamy tourer and slot car all in one. My brother has a Honda S2000 which requires thrashing and revving at all times. Rewarding in its own way but you finish a drive like a caffeine junky, sweating and shaking. It's so good to have a choice. The joy of six.
@johnwatt .. +1. Spot on, the nose! ..My brother drives the high-revving RPM Honda S2000. .. Read a "caffeine junky" drive character,,,,,, to the otherwise an uber-sophisticated Honda chassis.. . "Different strokes, for different folks" ... Cheers
You are so right. I thought I wanted an S2000, but it is so much better to have a car you can enjoy at any speed and RPM. With the Porsche 6 you get a nice sound and good torque plus the unhinged wail at the top.
That Honda S2000 sounds fun ;) Sweating and shaking like you had 100 RedBull after a drive sounds perfect lol. But I think I will still prefer a Porsche Cayman as a daily drive.
Where r u gonna rev it,in the middle of nowhere or a track?.Don't we all use our car more in b roads and normal with speed limits.what is the point in having a car which can be only enjoyed in special conditions and situation,when the cheaper car has better driving characteristics in everyday driving situations
@@shibilm.n4073 If the speed limit is 70 mph it makes sense to have another 108 mph spare in case you’re late.
i just rented and enjoyed a Porsche Boxster 718 S, Flat 4, 350 HP, 2023 model in PorschePlatz Stuttgart 2 weeks ago and I loved the experience driving about the winding hill roads of the Black Forest region. The engine tune and exhaust sounds rorty and nice. Anyway I enjoyed it.
The reason people often say the Porsche flat six doesn't sound like much until you get it up in the revs is due to the exhaust valve control settings. Even in sport or sport + mode with the exhaust valves "open" they will still close between something like 1-4 thousand revs. A $500 valve controller and 20 minutes solves that issue. Then you get that lovely noise even when going around town. The 4.5 seconds to 60 you are looking at is for the manual GTS 4.0. The PDK is .1 seconds quicker to 60 (stated) than the 2.5l model. The sounds difference is something that's completely personal and its frustrating to hear all the reviewers say it sounds like garbage. It certainly doesn't. The pops and crackles give it a character the 4l doesn't have. You have an absolutely lovely car. Im expecting a C GTS 4.0 in the summer so thank you for helping pass the time until then.
Should also be noted that you can't trust any numbers from any of the VW group's brands,
it's sort of an open secret they'll make the numbers fit whatever they're trying to achieve,
for instance the sporty Golf versions are on paper always quicker than their counterparts from the other brands (Seat & Skoda),
but when put to the test those counterparts perform as well or better. It's just that VW politics demands that the Golf must be quicker.
So they'll just tweak the numbers.
They do the same thing with horsepower numbers. I suspect the GTS 4.0 doesn't produce 400 hp but rather the same 420 as the Spyder.
They're using the same engine and I doubt their tuning's actually any different.
Instead the numbers on paper are tweaked so that the buyer has more of a justification to go for the Spyder.
I can speak from experience, my car is from a VW group brand and supposed to be a few milliseconds slower than the Golf model with the same engine. It isn't. It's actually faster than the Golf is on paper.
I bought my 2018 718S Boxster 4 months ago. Always wanted one and saw mine at Porsche center south London and fell in love with it. Its heavily specked and probably paid over the top but it is a beautiful car. I had no idea how many people really dislike the 4 cylinder and like you say most of them have probably never driven one! I think mine has a great sound and with the UK roads as they are now I wouldn't want anything faster! Great review Pete.
Thank you for making this comparison. I own a 718 Boxster S. it has been a great little car! Having said that I have been looking to upgrade to 718 GTS 4.0, however, I can’t justify the price difference. There is no question that the GTS 4.0 is a better sounding engine. However, I don’t normally drive over 5000 RPM on my daily commute to enjoy the sound. If I did that, I would surely get many speeding tickets! Also, I think a 2.5-liter engine is an easier car to live with given its low-end torque characteristics. So, for now I’ll keep my 2.5 liter. Thanks again for taking the time to do the comparison!
The used 981 or 987 types are great if you can find a nice one for a decent price!
I prefer the 2.5 turbo. The low end torque means a lot. Don't like the sound, change the exhaust. Easy fix
Keep it. I have a 2022 4.0 and I find myself looking at Cayman S prices online.
Solution to that would be to buy a 981 GTS
@@Jedireyskywalker why is that? 😮
Interesting comparison, I can’t say I agree that they both sound good. I had a cayman 2.5GTS, and now have a 718 GT4, the engine in the 2.5 is definitely effective, punchy at low speeds as you say, but very monotone and it never put a smile on my face like the flat 6 does. Also, the PDK 4.0 is said to do 0-60 in 4 seconds, the 4.5 second time is for the manual. It’s fine to defend the car you bought though and the cabin size comparison, that’s really interesting, not something you’d expect!
You beat me to it re: 0-60times.
The cabins are dimensionally the same, maybe seat spec.? 18 ways vs. 2 way sport seats plus?
@@simonm9923 must be something like that. Or perhaps the back is less upright? Always the top bit that hits the bulkhead when I go all the way back in mine
@@simonm9923 yep doubt they would have reengineered the structural bulkhead. The platform would have been designed for the 6. Not sure but might have needed crash testing certification.
I like my 718 cayman s but like you said, the sound just doesn’t put a smile on my face.
Hi mate great video! 718 Spyder owner here. The weights are wrong and so is the 0-60 for the GTS 4.0 PDK. The GTS 4.0 has a 7800 RPM redline. Cheers from Italy and keep up the good work!
I'm over 6ft and own a 718 Boxster GTS 4.0. I have no issues with the cabin space and seating position.
That’s great. My height is in my legs and I just could get comfy 🤷♂️
@@PetrolPed Were the seats the same Ped, as in 2 way or 18 way? Someone commented on another forum that that may have had something to do with it.
I love your honesty in the review. You suppose something, put it to a test, then when surprised by the result you are not afraid to adjust your opinion. While on camera. Quite rare. You have my sub!
2:40 The weight difference it wrong. Porsche quotes the PDK GTS 4.0 at 1435 Kg and GTS 2.5 PDK at 1405Kg which make it about 30kg heavier. A couple of cylinders and less a turbo can't weigh over 121kg more, that doesn't make sense. Interesting comment about the leg room though. I wonder if the carbon bucket seats creates more legroom. Between the sport plus seat and the bucket seats the bucket seats always look like it has more room behind the seats, not sure if that'll translate to leg room.
my 2017 Boxster S, pdk, goes round and round very well. "23.07.2017 Nordschleife 718 Boxster S, 8.29 BtG" 242 laps, no crash.
2023 718 Cayman S here. Your estate in the background is really lovely and more enviable than even the car
I have a 2018 718 GTS Loaded with a sticker price of $106,000 However I brought it certified used from a Porsche dealer, one year one and 6 k miles for 72k. The first buyer took the big dollar hit.
After buying I had buyers remorse thinking I should have gotten the flat six... but now I agree with you for the reasons you brought up... it was a great choice. I'm in Vermont USA, there are none up here and the school boys go crazy turning their heads when I go by... got to love it LOL
Great review! I have the GTS 4.0 Cayman, and I love it for all the reasons you said (even though you prefer your 2.5 Boxster!). Something you didn't really touch on is the handling - I guess because it is just sublime in both cars - but I wondered if you noticed much difference in the corners with the extra weight of the 4.0? It was a fascinating conclusion you came to - something that would never have occurred to me as a shorter man! Surely Porsche have a solution to the size issue? Something I really like about your videos is that you're always looking for the good even in the things you don't prefer - the tone is always very positive. Also the fact you come across as humble and very grateful you get to do this. Thank you.
People forget that the 981 range was widely criticized for lacking in torque (prior to the GT4), and the turbo four 718s solved that issue (despite sounding more like a Subaru). At 6'2"", my choice is clear. Great comparison review!
They don’t sound like Subarus. The engine architecture is different and exhaust system are routed to sound much better. You really think Porsche wouldn’t engineer the sound too?
I often think the engines probably have sufficient torque for the weight they need to lug, but the gearing is far too tall, they should have sorted the gear ratios out! Even since the 2.7 Boxster they could do about 75mph in 2nd gear which seems a bit pointless. I need to try a 718 though, I bet they are faster just about everywhere.
That’s insane. Mind blowing actually. I can’t believe I haven’t heard about a smaller cabin before now. Obviously it’s not advertised. Crazy. Thanks for sharing as this is significant. But for me, the extra $20K is also a deal breaker
On further investigation it’s not the case. Cabin is the same. Still trying to find a reason for the difference 🤷♂️
@@PetrolPed update the video when you find it. also try to put the seat slightly higher, maybe it hits something.
@@PetrolPedjust seeing this video for the first time (recently bought a new Cayman GTS 4.0; and your excellent video hit my TH-cam feed). At 6’1” I fit great. I couldn’t imagine a company as small as Porsche re-engineering the bulkhead to fit in a larger engine, especially since the 718 carries over so much from the 981 which were all 6 cylinders.
With the same-spec seats, I can’t imagine there is any difference in space.
I have a BMW Z4 and made the mistake of buying without driving it first. I have the exact issue you mentioned with the leg room. I just can't get the seat far back enough so within an hour I end up with cramp and have to get out. I've had the car less than a year and already having to sell because it just takes the enjoyment out of using it. Your point about not buying something without driving is a very good one!
6’5”, really appreciate your reporting this discovery! And I’m actually surprised at how small the sound difference was b/n the two engines, I thought it would be more pronounced.
On further investigation it’s not the case. Cabin is the same. Still trying to find a reason for the difference 🤷♂️
I really preferred the 2.5L in autocross to the flat 6. The 6 felt heavier and less agile. The variable vane and high compression make the engine plenty powerful and remarkably responsive. I'd pick the 4 for daily and autocross and be happy as a clam it's a great total package.
The review no one else has done, and very well done too 👏🏻 I did of course know the conclusion and it's still baffling as they have the same seats. Let me know what porsche say. On the weight Harry Metcalf weighed the 4.0 at 1,280 kilos. He was so shocked he did it twice to check and had a full tank of fuel. As others have pointed out 4.5 to 60 is for the manual. Having driven the 4.0 man and PDK, only a few days apart, I can honestly say the manual felt quicker, by quite some margin. Very odd I know! Probably my brain playing tricks and my in-built manual preference. When driving the PDK I also think using the stick is much nicer than the paddles, the stick feels more mechanical and again, probably my brain playing tricks, but it felt like the shifts were more punchy. Try it and see? I also much preferred the 4.0 to my 981 spyder, better riding, quicker and not as obnoxious on the exhaust. I was so impressed I ordered one, as you know. I would also have no problem with a 2.5. The Boxster is an amazing car in any guise, I've had 3 and they are just about the best sportscar at any price.
Hi ! Guess the 4.0 718 was to you a better overall then the 2.5 . Like more alive ..
@@georgepotcovaru2595 I actually haven't driven a 2.5. I was comparing manual & PDK 4.0 and 718 and 981 manual Spyder. There is no wrong answer with a Boxster, they are all amazing cars, I have just bought my 4th .
Great comparison 👍🏽 I never saw that last reason coming and it makes a lot of sense!
On getting cruise control retrofitted - something to bear in mind is that if you're doing longer motorway runs, then the cruise control doesn't utilise the car's "coasting" function well, which can result in notably worse fuel economy on long runs. I have cruise in my 981 Cayman GTS, but rarely use cruise on the motorway for this reason. (Apart from avg speed zones)
I appreciate that these obviously aren't the kinds of cars we buy for fuel economy! But every little helps 😊
Great review, for enjoying B roads I think the 981 GTS might be the one to have. Better gearing and sound. Would be great to compare the 4.0 to the 3.4 👍
I'm actually amazed by the seating position difference. That is just something you'd never expect!
That’s because it doesn’t! Not a cabin dimensional difference anyway. Could be seat style, height , recline. Pete has committed to get to the bottom of it
Still need to get to the bottom of the issue 👍
@@simonm9923 I'm with you, I thought it had to be seats or something. Presumably they are both "the same". One doesn't have manual forwards backwards and the other electric etc.
@@PetrolPed have you found out any more? Do both cars have identical seats? Is one the electric 18 way sports plus and the other the electric 4 way sports plus? I.e. the 18 way one taking up more space with its motors?
@@carfleet6703 This ^ - admittedly, I "only" have a 981 Boxster S but.... when I was looking to buy mine the seats made a huge difference to leg-room! Thought I wanted the 18-way but, the cheap seats gave more room. At 6'3", this mattered!
Very insightful video PP, especially on the weight and the legroom (which I don’t think I’ve heard from anyone before!).
no contest. flat 6 with a manual gearbox - heaven on earth!
unless you are too tall to fit in the car right ... solution 911
that's the best combo....and I bought it😂
Check out the top of the seats in the seating comparison. The seat in the 2.5 is about 3” higher than in the 4.0. I believe that with the lower seat in the 4.0, the backrest will contact the ledge behind earlier and mean the seat can’t go as far back. With them set at the same height, I’m sure the legroom would be the same.
I tried to get them set up the same and just couldn’t 🤷♂️
It’s worth seeing if there’s any difference with the steering wheel mounting too? I had a cramped problem on a Jaguar V12 24:44 XJS - Convertible where the early cars steering-wheel slid in and out, but later cars only moved up & down. I’m over 6’ & long arms so I was fine in the 1988 car but a 1993 car was awfully cramped.
Because of my height there are many cars I can’t get comfortable in.
If you get pain in your hip joint this can be fixed by putting a cushion into the driving seat to lift your hips slightly. I’ve had this problem on a few Ferrari’s. Any early cars with bucket seats will pinch hip joints! On a test drive it might not be noticeable, but on a long drive the pain becomes unbearable. On six Ferrari’s I’ve had to alter the seats in someway. My current Ferrari is older than my previous car but has a better seat! At 76, I’m less into performance but enjoy the ride & driving, of a 1988 Mondial 3.2, a very under-rated car with a comfy seat!
Any Boxster is awesome excluding Tiptronic ! The more money you spend the more smiles. 4 litre manual is always first choice if you can afford it ! ❤
I’m the original owner of a 986 Boxster S. The best upgrade I ever made to the car was switching to GT3 bucket seats - they gave me a lot more headroom and legroom and made the car truly a great fit for me. (I also installed GT3 console delete and that helped with lateral legroom.) I’d be curious to see if bucket seats would improve the GTS 4.0 similarly.
I’m sure they would 👍
Thanks for excellent review. Did try them both and (being 6.1) kind of spotted the feeling of different driving position. I completely agree on the verdict - to me flat four simply offered more fun in a broader rpm range. More videos please.
Thanks for the video!
I’ve watched it a few times as I’ve been shopping these two cars. Just bought a low mileage (15k) CPO 2019 718 Boxster GTS in GT Silver & Black full leather 18-way PDK.
Picked this one not b/c I’m too tall to fit the 4.0 well, I’m only 5’8”, rather couldn’t rationalize the ~$20k USD difference in entry point for the least expensive 4.0 vs 2.5 on the pre-loved market.
Been loving it! 🍻
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Fantastic, informative video. Im just about to take delivery of my 718 GTS 4.0 manual. I was very tempted with a 2.5 due to its flexibility , especially on UK roads. A track day at Porsche Silverstone won me over with the 4.0 and as we are about to wave goodbye to naturally aspirated engines, especially when coupled to a manual box that made my decision. Porsche kindly lent me a Boxster 2.0 with a PDK for the weekend, and to be honest that was still a brilliant, balanced and entertaining car to drive. In all their guises , modern Porsches are pretty hard to beat 😊
Enjoy the new wheels 👌👍
Sir, for some odd reason, I’ve never bumped into your channel until today. Absolutely love the content and delivery. And that FACE you make when you listen to the exhaust noises. Only a true petrol head would get it! 😅
Welcome aboard!
Funny you should mention gear ratios. When new MINI came out, my Dad was a delivery driver for the local dealer. When asked which one someone should buy, he said the normal Cooper but not the 'S'. The gears had been changed for the S to make the numbers look good on paper but had ruined it's drivability.
The Spyder is literally automotive art. It’s the most beautiful Porsche made today. Better than the Boxster GTS
I agree the Spyder is the car to have, but it’s another step up from the GTS 4.0. I think it’s a lot to do with budget and weighing up what you can can live with. If you have the budget why not get a Spyder or the softer driving GTS. Neither have the 4 cylinder turbo engine . Times are changing and it won’t be long before the combustion engine is a thing of the past, that’s a certainty.
@@CherhillI have the 981 Spyder and all of them, 987, 718 will hold value much better because only 2500 of each model were made.
@@Cherhill yes. I did get the Spyder. It’s amazing
This just reinforces how I feel about my 718 Cayman S. I almost bought a 981 GTS w the old 3.8 F6 and hated the lack of torque and the lack of character at lower rpms. I’ve got most of the same kit on mine as a GTS except the 18-way seats and Sport Chrono so the only thing I’d like to do now is get a Softech tune, a downpipe and go ham 😁
The excitement, driveability and speed of my 2019 Boxster 718 S PDK us second to none🤘
2.5 PDK, best 718!🥳
Brilliant appraisal, and who knew it would be a design change that meant you could not have a 4.0........ but you made the right choice with your car, accidentally or not.
The GTS 4.0 0-60 of 4.5 is for the manual 👍🏻.... I had the 4.0 and loved it.
Makes me miss my old 981 Cayman - even the engine in that sounded fabulous and because it was just the 2.7 you could really rev it out. Manual too with sports plus...fab car. The 2.5 flat four sounds just like a flat four - monotonal and dull but certainly effective!
At least you didn’t say it sounded like a Subaru…
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I think its a compliment to compare it to the gorgeous Subaru sound. First thing I thought when I heard it w/o seeing it was that someone fires up his aircooled beetle with sports exhaust. I was surprised seeing a Boxster instead in front of my house. Love that sound of the past🥰
Interesting vid, in my 4.0 litre I’ve fitted seat lift brackets which have made it comfortable for my long legs also the zero to sixty time of 4.5s I believe is based on the manual box
I thought the manual was 4.3s and the PDK was like 3.7s with launch control.
Is that on sports seats Roger (eg not buckets) ?
@@th3b0untyhunter yes sports seats, also available for buckets
@@RogerBaileyOnCars Hi - which brackets are you using?
I write this with bias as a big fan of flat six BoxEngine, however the flat four BoxEngine is intrinsically Porsche. The flat four delivers and will present a challenge to most flat six naturally aspirated engines, including the 911s. I still prefer the flat six and the naturally aspirated manual gear Porsche. Excellent comparison Pete!
I also have the 2.5 718 gts, it’s a FANTASTIC car and I wouldn’t swap it, personally.
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Great comparison between the two Ped. Very interesting comparing a two year difference. Both are absolutely incredible motor cars with plenty of power and the drivers area is brilliant Porsche build quality. Like you've said in previous videos, everyone is different and you buy what you can afford, the best withing your budget. I have to agree with you, there is not a £20k difference there that would push me to the newer model. It's crazy that after your full road tests and comparison that the decision would come down to the newer having less leg room! That's totally unexpected and I can imagine has affected alot of potential buyer decision... Overall comfort is the main priority, especially when spending that amount of money! Enjoy every second of pure motoring pleasure 👌🙏
Thanks Rod 🙏🏻
I’m 5’11”. I own a 99 Boxster and just got a 2023 Spyder. The Spyder is unreal. The best. And I have zero problems fitting in the Spyder. Plus, the Spyder will hold its value more than the other Boxsters these days
What a great and informative review. I have driven both cars and could not agree more. Enjoy your car. Its beautiful.
Thank you! 👍
I have a Boxster GTS 4.0. My previous car was a 2006 Boxster S. I am 6'2". Took me a day to get adjusted and comfortable. Great cars! Love the one you're with.....
Very nice!
Fascinating comparison video Pete 👍 Especially comparing the weights and interior space. No one comments on weight between these cars but as you say, it can really make a difference to how a car feels & drives. Also driving on torque is very different. Much more accessible. Although I suspect the 4.0 would feel better with lower gear ratios. Did you notice any difference in responsiveness between NA and turbo? Would have expected a bit of lag somewhere on the 2.5.
Excellent GTS v GTS comparison! As a Porsche addict for most of my adult life (more than a dozen, starting in 1996 with a 968 CS and including front, rear and mid-engined models with 4,6 and 8 pot motors - so I'm no flat-six snob!) I have sampled almost every derivative, but I've never had the chance drive 4 and 6 cylinder 718s back-to-back. The unexplained cabin space discrepancy should not be a deal-breaker as it's probably just down to seat adjustment - the seats are the same in both cars and the cabin architecture in both is carried over from the exclusively six-cylinder 981. Other factors (looks, ambience, performance, weight, chassis dynamics) appear to be very similar or a matter of taste. For me, in these final days of ICE power, the 4.0 is much more desirable. The six-cylinder engine sounds a lot better, delivers it's power in classic NA style and revving it out would never be a chore. But it'll cost you at least £12k more than the 2.5, which is without doubt the best value car here. If this was a GTS v GTS v GTS comparison, you might be wishing you'd saved another £10k and bagged a six-cylinder 981 3.4 GTS - best of both worlds?
You've highlighted something that I've never heard before - I would have thought the seating positions would be exactly the same. Also, the significant extra weight of the 4 litre highlights the extra componentry needed, which in turn goes to the reduced space.
There is no reduced space, all 718 Boxster interior dimensions are identical. Different seat specifications and adjustments (eg backrest angle) can lead to perception of reduced legroom. It is not a 4cyl vs. 6 cyl issue
He’s muddled up DIN and EC weights. The GTS 4.0 is either 30kg heavier or 21kg lighter depending upon which standard you use.
Hi Ped
Well I was right that Lady P would win, but I did not expect your reasoning. However I do appreciate the importance of comfort and use ability for a daily driver. Like you over 6’ and inside leg 34 so seat position very important. My criteria going back to my provisional licence, if I could drive over an hour without discomfort, OK, if not reject the car. Surprisingly cars that passed the test ( and used as daily drivers) Lotus Super 7, Lotus Elite Super 95, Morgan Plus 8, Roadster, Aero, to name a few. Cars that failed the test Flat Flor E type, XK 120, Toyota Celica and many more. So comfort & driveability, then move onto the more emotive issues. Which is what you have done with this video. With you 100% on this one.👍👍
An interesting comparison and a discovery that very few would think of…less cabin room! Now I am 5’9” so would fit and I have always loved six cylinder engines so would have only considered the 4.0 but, lighter weight and greater enjoyment mean a lot! I’m pleased you prefer yours…now without any lingering doubts! Well done Peter…this week I’m using my SL again after a week in Cornwall and I just find it’s creamy engine to be endlessly enjoyable…and the steering handling is a joy..but I’m comparing that with a Discovery Sport so not exactly unexpected! Stay safe, Richard😀😀😀
Another very good and very honest review. Being the owner of a 718 flat four, I am obviously partial. I have commented previously about the sound haters that say it sounds like a Subaru. Obviously, nobody buys a Porsche to get good gas mileage but I get over 30 miles per gallon on the highway with my turbo charged flat four. Just another bonus. And, I love the way it sounds. It’s rough and raspy and I like it.
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Great video and objective comparison. Owning a cayman 718 S, i was considering upgrading to a 991.2 S, tried recently a 992 GTS also...and honestly... yeah they sound great and look nice, but the overall perfs/driving feeling, not mentioning the ridiculous budget difference, make me love my 718 even more.
Of course that's a very personal feeling, but i agree when you say that price/pef/looks considered, the 718 is maybe the best sport car out there right now (seems the A110 is amazing too but i haven't tested it so can't really say ^^).
The reduction in cabin space is a huge issue. As a tall guy I really appreciate you discovering this aspect. I have the 991.2 GT3 and cannot fit with the carbon buckets. Porsche lowered the carbon seats in the 992 GT3 but it's only an issue for the taller drivers.
This to just turned out to be an expose on why the GTS 4.0 is better for the mass majority 😅 Thanks for the comparison. Porsche did well with this upgrade to the 718 GTS, not surprisingly
Great video! I have the same car as you. The silver 19 GTS. I think it sounds insane. I love the pops when you lift off the throttle. The same pops sound a bit muted in the flat 6.
The torque character is what makes me not want to get a 4.0 GTS.
2.5 makes peak torque at 1900 RPM
4.0 makes peak torque at 5500 RPM
That’s a lot of fun skipped driving on an ordinary trip to the tennis court.
Had no idea about the cabin being smaller. That’s made me certain I am in the right car! I frequently drive long distances. Cheers to our cars!
It’s great to compare the cars literally side by side. 👍🇬🇧
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Just a quick FYI, there's a few inaccuracies in this. The engines are the same between GTS 4.0, GT4 and Spyder, the weight stats you quoted aren't correct - you quoted the minimum AND manual weight figures for the GTS 2.5 PDK (i.e. weight saving options, carbon buckets, etc.), and the GTS 4.0 PDK figure was way, way out - the difference between the two PDK cars would have been closer to 30kg, not 121kg. The rear diffuser of the GTS 4.0 isn't the same as the Spyder, the Spyder shares it's rear diffuser with the GT4 though. And as others have mentioned, Porsche quotes the GTS 4.0 PDK 0-60 at 4 seconds, but it has been tested at well below 4 by other journalists. Otherwise, great vid - the leg length issue was a big surprise!
I read several articles about the engine that state something different 🤷♂️
Well I didn’t expect that. Makes perfect sense though. The result, that aside, is as I expected and as I think I commented before the review. The 2.5 feels more nimble, and the torque of the turbo will always be more impressive lower down. Both cars are superb. I don’t think in the 4.0 they have captured the full flat 6 sound that my 981 has in spades, owing to regulations, though again no doubt the 4.0 is technically better than the 3.4. Top class review again though. 👍
Brilliant Video showing the comparison between the two versions was very surprised on how one was smaller on the inside but when you explained made perfect sense.
There is no reduced space, all 718 Boxster interior dimensions are identical. Different seat specifications and adjustments (eg backrest angle) can lead to perception of reduced legroom. It is not a 4cyl vs. 6 cyl issue.
Interesting comparison! First thing to get out of the way is that there isn't 140kg between the two, but to be fair I can't find a definitive figure either. The lowest I have seen is 8Kg. Autocar said there was 60Kg between then. Remember the 4cyl has turbos, cross pipes, intercoolers etc. to offset that smaller block.
On the most important points, I am aligned with your assessment. I have 4.0 Manual and compared it with 2.5S PDK. I thought the 2.5 was faster than mine, certainly felt it. There's a linearity to the 4.0l that belies it's pace. The 2.5 is pizzaz and zip. It had a bit of lag, then real midrange punch that feels 'wow', then it gets a bit 'rung out' above 6500rpm compared with 4.0l. The 4.0l has no pops and bangs on the over-run however. So it's however you like your poison!
For me it's the velvet sound of the 4.0l that I love, but if I didn't fit (I had no idea the cabin was shorter), I'd have no issue with the 4 pot. Keep up the good videos Mate!
I struggle to get the weights from the same source and turns out it was wrong 😬😂
Can't beat a 6 cycl boxster engine. Had two and I really miss them. Such a joy to drive.
Fantastic video, you’ve absolutely nailed it.I’ve had a base 718 and now GT4 and they are obviously very different cars but the base was way more comfortable than the GT4.
The 2.0 and 2.5 are fantastic engines and allow you to really engage with the car because as per the test they make lots more low down torque.
4.0 def sound so much better but again the 2.0 and 2.5 sound great.
I thought I needed the pinnacle GT4 but in reality now I’ve had both I’d say the 2.0 or 2.5 is the better car to live with anyday.👍
I own a Spyder. The ride is just fine and then handling is other worldly. Plus it’s automotive art
I’ve been trying to look for a comparison between the two for a while and couldn’t find any that provided such good information. Direct comparison of engine sounds, 0-60 mph *without* launch control (since we rarely actually use it), and the seating position difference! What an unexpected surprise! I completely agree with you the 2.5 is portably better for daily drives, and one thing I do enjoy more of the smaller engine is exactly what you mentioned 6:29, the popping turbo exhaust noises.
I am blessed with shorter height (much less than 6 ft) so I’m happily enjoying the flat 6.
Thank you, Ped, for doing such an amazing comparison review! I definitely think you made the right choice for yourself.
My pleasure. I’ve looked into the cabin size and I was wrong. There isn’t a difference. Still not sure why they felt so different 🤷♂️
Really awesome video Pete, as a huge boxster fan it was great seeing a side by side comparison. My pick would be a 981 2.7 manual at £25k. I did test drive the 718 base model in PDK and loved it, and completely agree with you that the light weight and low end torque is awesome on normal UK roads. I tell you what though it’s hard to ignore a 987 2.7 manual for under £10k, a lot of car for the money. I plan to make videos on a 986 boxster S and 987 Boxster manuals this year both purchased for under 6K, so keep your eyes open on my channel. Thanks again loved the video and appreciate the time it must have taken to put together.
The 987 2.7 is so much more expensive in the USA. You guys have it good.
@@5Minuteman Interesting, how much more expensive, same in Germany im told as well.
@@thedrivebygg 987 2.7L go for 20-28k usd
@@5Minuteman anyone know how much it costs to export a car, im guessing not much change out of 10K?
@@thedrivebygg good Q! I do not know but maybe we need to start a business 🤣
Great video thank you very much for the detailed comparison which conclude exactly my thoughts. I’ve had the RS60 and 991S both flat 6 engines and currently I own a 2.5 GTS Cayman. Although at times, I miss the cruising, top end sound of the flat six,…I for sure do not miss not having the low end torque that I expected of those cars. I much rather prefer my Cayman GTS 2.5 for 90% driving characteristics that I do in town for all the reasons you mentioned. I also have a Dinan M4 (an Etron S and Model S) but after driving this mid engine joy it is by far the car I’ve enjoyed driving the most.
Ever since the 4.0 engine appeared, we've been waiting for a review like this: An objective look at the cars without any preconceptions. I am not sure about your weight figures - there should only be about 40kg between these cars - but otherwise I think you've treated them fairly. Surprised to see the Boxster lost some cabin space but at 5'10" I'd not have noticed it.
The 4-pots got a lot of stick when they first appeared but a lot of it was people simply being unwilling to accept change. I had a Cayman T which I loved, with the 2.0 turbo instead of the 2.5, but a lot of the plus points are the same: low down easily accessible torque and decent power, with the advantage you are never really in the wrong gear as there's always 'oomph' on tap. Engine note was aggressive and the only thing it lacked being an OPF-fitted car, was the crackles on overrun.
I did trade it for a Cayman GTS 4.0 however because for me the linear power delivery was preferable, and I wanted to spec some things I skipped the first time around. The flat 6 is even better with an aftermarket backbox; BC Fabrications make a good valved system which restores most of the theatrics and shaves 10 kilos of weight off in the process.
To be honest neither car needs to go beyond 3rd gear on a B-road blast and that does mean you can rev them both out, or choose higher gears and cruise. Both 4.0 and 2.5 are fantastic cars, and so long as people pick the right one for them, rather than listen to "the herd" they will be getting a fantastic sports car.
I made two mistakes. You are right about the weight figure. Not sure how I got that wrong 🤷♂️
Also on further investigation the cabins are exactly the same. Still can’t explain my lack of space 🤔
Do you feel that it was worth the upgrade going from the 4 to 6 cylinder? Did it change your enjoyment with the car in everyday use? Especially with the new exhaust
@@GoldPlatedCheese For me the 6 is the nicer engine to drive with a manual shift, I find rev matching easier and throttle control more intuitive. The sound is tuneful, not quite as raw and aggressive as the 4 but at high revs the 4 doesnt have the same tuneful quality. The new exhaust just amplifies that character and allows you to really hear the engine note and not just drivetrain. And it still sounds sporty with valves closed - perfect for normal driving - but really comes alive with valves open as it gets some burbles and chatter but without the comical pops and bangs beloved of the boy racers. I did notice far more aftermarket options are available in this area for the 6 as its the GT4 engine. By comparison only a few good systems are availble for the 2.5 S/GTS.
None of this is to denigrate the 4 cylinder which I absolutely loved and had some great times in, and will always remember fondly. I am very glad I got the 6 cyclinder however.
Thanks for a well balanced review. Whilst logical I just never knew about the firewall being closer with the 4.0. I agonised between a 4 & 6 cylinder and purchased a 718 Cayman, stock standard non ‘S’ with PDK and Sport Chrono. Coming out of an M2 Competition, I would have to say I have more fun more often in the Cayman. The 2 litre motor still delivers huge punch at legal speeds and all the lovely poise & balance of the chassis is still there in spades. I cannot recommend highly enough. As you say, the Cayman in any guise is one of the best sports cars out there. You can’t beat a pure bred Porsche in my opinion. Thanks again for a great comparison.
After further investigation I have discovered the cabin sizes are not different. Still not sure why I couldn’t fit in the 4 litre 🤔
That was an awesome comparison! Thank you! I just picked up a 2.5 GTS and I fit! If I went with the 4.0 I would not!
I was actually mistaken. There is no difference in cabin size. It must have been a seat position issue but never got to the bottom of it 😬
@@PetrolPed hey, did you have same seats 2way vs 18way?
I bought a boxster without knowing anything about cars. I didnt know what a turbo was, what hp or nm meant. I had owned a Peugeot 206 and a Kia, walked into Porsche just to try one for fun and it was amazing, walked out with a Boxster and now Im in love with Porsche. Any model is just mind blowing over the competition, recently had 2 different BMWs and they just feel dull afterwards. And I like PDK cant be hassled with manual lol
Excellent vid.A lot of work went into that one.Thank you.Really enjoyed watching.I am fairly tall,just over 6'2" and I have found some cars too cramped as well.There have been a few instances where I have been able to drive a car as an auto where I wouldn't have room for my knees as a manual.Vauxhall Corsa being one example.
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Thanks Pete for a great video. The ending was a real 'Tales of the Unexpected'. How did the response of the engines compare i.e. did you notice turbo lag in yours when comparing them?
Don’t feel that much lag 👍
Thank you for a brilliant review of the difference between these 2 stunning cars! Your report is well balanced and fair. 🙏
Glad you enjoyed it!
I prefer your setup. Yours has a nicer exhaust note. I like the black top too, and you probably get better gas mileage. The tiny difference in acceleration off the line doesn't matter to me. Also, lighter is better.
PS: plus the savings of £20,000!!
Indeed 👍
Thanks for the hint. I'm 6'3 so when I win the lottery, I'll be going for the 2.5L but in Cayman format. (Not a soft top fan).
And yes - The 6 cylinder engine sounded GREAT
indeed, same here, buy soft top.
@@1MrErling If you live in Spain or California then yes. For the UK.........no! 🤣
According to the Porsche website there is only a 25kg difference in weight between both cars, and like for like in terms of age and spec there is little as £4k of difference between models based upon what used stock Porsche have available.
He’s muddled up DIN and EC weights. The GTS 4.0 is either 30kg heavier or 21kg lighter depending upon which standard you use.
@@RedKite18 if you are going to post videos you need to get the basic facts right. Otherwise what credibility are you going to have.
Have to say, to my ears. The flat 6 sounds amazing. No artificial pops n bangs. As demonstrated on Lady P
Both nice 👌🏻 cars.
Great video, thanks! I’m 6’6 and I’ve got a 4.0 arriving in April. Were they the 18 way adjustable seats? I fit comfortably with the standard seats, but not the 18 way.
No. Both cars had the standard seats 👍
I’m looking to buy a boxster and I’m 6’3. I was flat 6 on the brain but this review has made me think ther’es more than just that engine note. Thanks
mate... what a thorough and fantastic comparison video... i was dead sure i wanted the 4.0, now you're tempting me to look out for the 2.5
I've got the 4.0 GTS. Happy as a clam . I love the thing. Mine is dolomite silver too. Great, subtle blue in the paint. I've got a blue top and interior and the combination makes me smile to look at it. I like your grills. I'll see if I can add them to mine. I'll see if I can add them along with the JCR intermediate pipes.
It's all down to personal choice, I had a 981 2.7 base with PSE, that didn't have as much grunt but it sounded unbelievable. I had driven both the 2.0 and 2.5 718's and for me the sound was just not somethin I could live with, being a short legged driver, the 4.0 does it for me, also my friends don't complain that my car is too noisy now 🤣 I find it hard to believe the bulkhead is different, that really wouldn't make comercial sense, are the seats the same in both cars? 18 way, 14 way etc. It looks from the video that you had the 4.0 seat much lower which might affect the movement.
I borrowed a 4.0 GTS 718 and thought it felt flat and deliberately de tuned. The same lump in a 911 feels a lot more entertaining. Pre-OPF 981 Spyder for me - based on noise alone 😀 Flat 4 sound is not what we’re used to from Porsche today, although most people forget that Porsches had 4s long before they had 6s.
There is no 'same lump' in the 911. The GTS4.0l takes the 3l 911 engine, turbo's removed, then bored and stroked to 4l along with many other changes. No 911 has anything similar.
4.0 all the way soz
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@@PetrolPed the four pot 4 didn’t deliver, that’s why they axed it , stop trying to kid yourself,an kid other people PED.
You lose credibility with these sorts of videos , enjoy your car, comparing it to the new model is silly.
It just comes across like you’ve got buyers remorse, the same as the GP3 videos .
I love the way you think you know how I feel…you couldn’t be more wrong. I’d by a Clubman in a heartbeat over a GP3 and love my 4 pot GTS. Porsche haven’t ‘axed’ the 4 cylinder it’s just the GTS Boxster/Cayman that has moved to the flat 6. I thought you were in the trade and knew what you were talking about 🤷♂️🙄
Comparing the 4-cylinder with the flat 6 (especially the 4-liter) is a waste of time.
Nothing can match the magic of the flat 6.
@@jorgeteixeira1922 it’s just buyer’s remorse that makes him make these crazy statements.
You can’t have a conversation with him either. He starts moderating your comments like a big tit . 😂
In 2019 I went to Porsche to test the Boxster, couldn’t get comfortable in it (I’m 6-4). Bought a BMW Z4 Sdrive35is and LOVE it. Now the 4 cylinder 917 Boxster has ample room in it AND I WANT AN S ! You have explained why, thought I really missed something.
Oh well, love and learn.
That was a really nice comparison between these to GTS’s. The flat 6 when your rev it out sounds orgasmic, but your flat4 does sound good and I can see from the driving point of view that the 4 is probably the better daily alrounder. I do find Porsche is a brand that I can fit in comfortably (I’m 6ft4 slim man). I’ve never been able to stretch out in a driving position in a car! Always hunched up.
Thanks 🙏🏻
Intersting comparison. I have an old 981 GTS Cayman and love the sound. However, the real enjoyment is the manual gearbox. I can't afford the new 4.0 version anyway!
Had the option of a 718 or a 981, picked the 981 S because I couldn't live without the flat 6. I have the Pse exhaust and it sounds incredible, no need for anything aftermarket, I'm 6'1" and the car fits me absolutely fine, I find the gearing in the 981 PDK much better too. A 981 vs 718 video would be good?
As you say surprising reason. Would not have expected that but makes sense. Always enjoy your reviews. Thanks Petrol Ped.
Great review and the seat issue is not something I would have thought of!
There is no reduced space, all 718 Boxster interior dimensions are identical. Different seat specifications and adjustments (eg backrest angle) can lead to perception of reduced legroom. It is not a 4cyl vs. 6 cyl issue.
As a ‘2018 718 box GTS owner - I love this video :) never drove a GTS 4.0 or a simple flat 6.. so can’t compare.. however yeah it’s a definite smile inducing driver pleaser. Having taken it around the Silverstone Porsche tracks learnt a lot more about its capabilities. Love it even more :)
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Pete. Great video as always but regarding the cabin size I really can't see Porsche introducing new tooling just for the BGTS4.0. Did the 4.0 have 18 way seats? This is the only thing I can think of. The extra electrics and motors do reduce how low you can put the seat in the 18 way, just wondering if it also limits the travel fore and aft? Re the steering wheel, you have the standard wheel whereas the 4.0 has the multifunction wheel which is also heated. As a side note, the engine and gearbox in the 4.0 GTS is the same as the Spyder and GT4 but with different engine mapping which reduces the red line to 7800 rather than the 8 of the GT4.
They both had the same seats. Just couldn’t figure it out. That was the only conclusion I could come to 🤷♂️
I ran a Cayman T manual last year and the noise of the 4 never really bothered me. I kinda liked it. It had a nice, old school, air-cooled sort of blatter at start-up and made a nice enough noise when it got going. The harder you worked the engine, though, the less inspiring it sounded and on track days, the noise was something you tuned out rather than enjoyed. Never really bothered me, although had I had it with PDK, it would have been a non-starter given how that gearbox adds an additional layer of synthetic noises to proceedings. I’m back with a flat 6 now and… there really is no comparison on the noise and emotion front. Worth noting that the T would happily trot out around 40mpg on a cruise. A great little engine and having tried it in a Macan T, I preferred it to the Macan GTS as a worthwhile trade off for much more agile handling - that 2.0 looks like a Terry’s orange in a laundry basket under a Macan’s hood. Very interesting note on the driving positions. That was unexpected.
Have to disagree with you. I think the rear view of your car looks far better than the 4.0 With having the central twin exhaust it just looks more balanced.
Good review. I started with a 987 cayman base manual and loved it. Moved to a 911 camera 2 997, awesome car, but couldn’t drive fast enough to enjoy the engine note. I traded it for a 981 base with pdk, 275 hp, so perfect held in 3rd on the b roads, always hearing that engine note. I tried the 718, amazing drive , but for me, the non s 981 is the most fun I ever had in a Porsche.
The sound of the 4.0 is a totally different level! And it revs so nicely, It is the only option here! But I think since it’s been available and for the foreseeable the 2.5 is a relative bargain. Also I don’t agree that you have to thrash the 4 to make it sound good. Anything above 3k rpm sounds epic. Really enjoyed the video
Btw, I have the 4.0 cayman and I’m 6’3. Don’t have any issues which space, my seat still has plenty more room to go back actually, so maybe just an issue with the space in the boxster?
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You'll be surprised Mat Watson from car wow did the 0-60 in 3.7 seconds, the gts is surprisingly fast.
Interesting on the bulkhead. Must be another factor as the bulkhead cannot be in a different position as it’s an integral part of the chassis
I know. Needs more investigation but I just couldn’t figure it out 🤷♂️
@@PetrolPed Just finished a wash after 4 weeks of salt and grime and wow what a wonderful looking car whatever engine you have the privilege to pedal 👍
If you're a big car enthusiast and track person, and obviously have the $$$, go for the 4L, 6 cylinder. If you're just an everyday driver, like me, looking for a a fun everyday sportscar that you can still take the track at times, the 2.5L is awesome and more than enough! The 4.0 will obviously sound better, but you will never be able to use it to its full potential on the street. The 2.5L still sounds awesome IMO.
Interesting video. Have you tried the 981 GTS? It beats them both for noise... and quite easily to be honest. It is straight up nasty the way it howls on the way up and bangs on the way down. However, like the 4.0, it has even less low down the rev range, so you often have to make "noisy progress", which if you're not in the mood is a definite negative. Agreed on the F4T noise too - I think they sound quite throaty and muscular. Shame that all the filters and emissions regs have strangled the sound of the 4.0 so much. Try the 981 GTS - it's the last of its kind in terms of noise :-)
Could not agree more. Own a 981 GTS and been tempted with the 4.0 option, but the noise is soooo much of the thrill.
The 3.8 actually has the same torque 420 nm as the 4.0, but at a lower rpm, 4750 vs 5000. The 4.0 has more power at the top end.