Great video, 2 comments 1) purchasr info on the black cap to cover the metal tab on the back of the seat? 2) I have the same forward controls on my LRST 2023. The brake is too low. There is darn little adjustment in it from what I can tell. It makes cobering the back brake a bit of work. Do you have adjustment suggestions or alternative brake pedal I should consider that sits higher?
Thanks for the comments. Yes, I did a follow up video on this bike with installing full heritage fwd controls and a full Harley brake pedal. Check that one out because that was my similar complaint about these. The seat lock is a Robert Becker design lock, also have various videos and purchase info on those. Awesome products! Check those out as well. Ride safe.
Not the seat lock. I bought that. I am talking about the black cap that fit over the rear bracket on the seat. Regarding the brake pedal, and forward controls (heritage). What was your motivation for going with the heritage forwards? Did the heritage brake pedal not work with the first forward control you upgrade?
@@davigf1 ah, ok. I am guessing mean because I do not have a chrome seat bracket. My saddleman came with a black bracket. You can purchase a cover on Amazon that includes a different thumbscrew for like 12.00 if I remember right. As for the motivation, the HD fwd controls kit is still at the mid control height. The heritage fwd controls are much lower and provide a more comfortable riding position with a lower knee bend placement. The full boards are an added bonus.
Great tutorial!! I watched in 1.25 speed and understood everything. I have the low rider s and love my mid controls, but as you said, it's because I'm only 5'7.
I finally purchased a 22 lowrider st and did the forward controls. Few questions hows the rear brake feel? Mine feels like trash. Also i ordered same seat how does it change your riding position?
Congrats and thanks for the questions. I agree on the HD fwd controls, the black pedal is crap. I did another video on adding full heritage fwd controls and boards, check that one out. As for the seat, I also did a video on adding mine with riding position views to help show that. Check those out and hopefully they will help with adjustments and position changes. The best thing I did was add the Thrashin bars and risers. Also a video on that. Made a huge difference. Appreciate the feedback.
Thanks for the comments! I am glad it succeeded in providing some solid detail. What a difference, for me anyways, so much better. The bars will be an additional improvement for sure. Stay Tuned!
Done this 5 month's ago it made a good bike. AWESOME done over 1000 mile's in 24 hour's here in the UK it's called the iron butt challenge. Done it 22 hour's 35 min's .... loved ever mile ...
That’s awesome! I want to do one of those “officially” one day. Done it may times just riding but always forget to do the reporting. Before I knew it I was over, lol. Ride safe, have a happy new year and thank you for the comments.
Thanks for the comments and support! That is a fair point for sure. I really enjoy the difference, but many other LRST riders that I have spoken to like the mids as well. I think it will really come down to your fit and comfort. If you can find one near you to check out, go for it, would be worth it I think. Additionally, you can sit on a Heritage at the dealer, they are both softails and the Heritage is setup with forward controls and boards. May give you a good reference. Good luck and ride safe!
I'm 5'9 and I hate the mid controls and the handlebar placement. First 2 things I would have to change to be comfortable. Great detailed video, now I'll be searching for your bar set up.
Great video. I have a RG but was given a Lowrider S as a loaner with mid controls while my bike was receiving warranty service. My first thought with the Lowrider S is that I needed forward controls. I’m only 5’9” and coming from the RG I was like “forward controls all the way” for a Softail.
Thank you, I agree 100% (obviously) because I just felt very cramped. Love my heritage with boards and fwd controls. Hope all is well with the RG, ride safe.
Thanks for the straight forward comment on the mid controls. I am 5’ 11” with a 33” inseam and the mid controls put and my knees well above the seat. I hear people that are over 6’2” say it is is fine, but I agree this sucks.
Thank you! Much appreciated, hopefully my videos will give you some great ideas for your ride. Go to my home page and see all the various ones I have for the LRST. Ride Safe
I went on my first Harley demo ride a couple weeks ago and I really enjoyed this bike more than I thought I would, but I could not deal with my legs being tucked up so far being 6'2". If this helps, I would be inclined to buy this bike.
Thanks for the comment. It works great, rides just like a heritage but has the pep and style of the LRST. You have to do what works best for you but for me, made all the difference in the world. Ride safe.
Dude, great looking bike! I just purchased a 2022 Road Glide ST, and I've been looking for a seat. I think I will purchase the Saddleman seat and seat lock you just put on your bike! Thanks for posting this video! 👍
Thanks! You bet, for my RGST I put on the Lucky Dave’s Bagger seat, also a video on that one. I really like the way it sits on the RGST and cheaper than a Saddleman. Check it out. Ride safe
I have the exact bikes st forward controls , 475 S&S , THRASHIN pipe , Saddleman , mustache, 6.5 “ bars , general dynamic lights . Also a road glide with 475 , Olin front and rear , Saddleman , all black 2020 your thought on keeping both . And what do you like best ,I’m 81 and some time the st is easy to throw around . Love the road glide for longer trips but most of my riding is shorter now days .
That's awesome and thank you for the comments! Sounds like you have excellent taste ;-). In answering your question, I prefer my road glide over the low rider at this point, but I am still working on various updates to the LRST (despite some nay sayers on my choices ;-)) and it is working through an oil leak issue at the dealer. I toss my RGST around pretty easily, but the LRST being a softail with the 117 is a fun bike to ride. If it were me, I would look at what suits you best these days and what is the most comfortable and enjoyable for you. In my opinion, there is no reason not to keep both, unless there is a financial preference involved. But, you can outfit the LRST with the sound system and tour pack to give you the same functions (mostly) of the Road Glide, if it is easier for you to ride and stand up due to the weight difference. All in all, much respect for having some awesome bikes and getting out there and enjoying the experience. Ride Safe!
Thanks much appreciated. I don’t off hand at the moment but it is called out in my low rider LED lights and triple play video in the description. Ride safe.
Great video. I'm not as displeased as you with the mid-controls, but I gotta get forwards. I don't like the handlebars. Too straight and a bit too far of a reach. I already added the Thrashin' 6.5 pullback, and mid bend bars but still too much of a reach and still too straight. I'd like to get bars of the same height and pullback as mini-apes.
Thank you for the feedback. Much appreciated. That path is coming for me as well as soon as I get the bike back from the dealer with the oil leak issue. I will keep you posted once I do the install video. Only exception is I have high bend bars and 9.5 going on. Ride safe.
No problem, it is in the description, however this is the one: www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/shop/standard-forward-control-kit/p/50700060. Additionally, I have since done an updated fwd control video using the Heritage fwd controls and boards which is much more comfortable. You may want to check that one out as well before purchasing anything: th-cam.com/video/gBEvSz3U7zo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=NNGh2gBEqLYjeCkc
Hello very informative video. Question, Is it just as easy going back to mid's I am buying a 2023 Low Rider ST and the current owner has installed forward controls but at 5'10" and close to 70 years old I feel like I may need the mid's like I have now on my 2014 Dyna Street Bob. I think I could do the back to mid's myself after watching your video also the seller says he could also do it for me. (he has all of the original mid parts) So what I'm asking is should I buy it with the forwards and see if I like iit. If not in your opinion how hard is it to go Back to mid's Thanks man
Thank you for the comments. Great question, reverting back would just be the opposite of what I did, correct. Only thing is that you may need to pull off the covers to get the linkage arm back in, but I have not done it so not sure. I will tell you that the fwds are much more comfortable to me, at 5’11 than the mids. But that would be specific to your preference. If you have not yet ridden the bike as is, do so and see. If you don’t like it, ask the owner to put them back if it’s worth it, or try yourself. I think you could do it, just take your time. In any case, if you like the bike, and it’s a good deal, don’t let that stop you. Ride safe.
Ok holy crap what a step by step informative video! The preparation thumbs up bugz! The attention to detail thumbs up! The tricks a very big thumbs up! You are going to help a lot of people save money and of course labor fees Well again awesome video and beautiful bikes! ✌️
Thanks for the question. I have not installed one, so I don’t have a personal reference, but from the videos I have seen from others who have installed them, it works pretty good. You would just need to have a remote option added since everything operates off the phone which would be tough while riding. Hope that helps.
Great video by the way. I just installed forward controls on my 2021 Lowrider S. Haven't ridden it yet but your video was very helpful. My question is the forward control kit comes with a plug for the outer primary cover where the mid control shifter arm was,but how about the hole in the inner primary where the shifter shaft follows through to the vertical shifter arm out the back side? Does that need a plug also? Will it leak primary fluid out that hole? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,Joe
Thank you, I appreciate the feedback and question. Been a while, but the instructions do not call out the need to plug the inner shaft hole. I have not any leakage or fluid loss since the upgrade so I think all is good. I am sure you will love the result and check out my second video on how to add heritage forward controls to my low rider at.
Thanks for the video! I’m doing this job now, how much side to side play did you have with the shift lever where it mounts to the bracket? I’ve got the oring on the engine side and the instructions called for an oring and nylon spacer on the other side (outside) of the bracket. I’ve got what a I consider excessive play. I’m thinking if I added a nylon spacer on the engine side of the bracket it would probably resolve the slack issue, it’s just that the instructions didn’t call for it.
Hi Mike, thanks for the question. I didn’t have any play on the shifter once I put the o rings and bolt in as you described. It snugged up just fine. It’s hard to say without seeing it but just be sure you have everything in place. Refer to my video again if it helps. If still an issue, you want need to exchange the part as it may be defective. Hope that helps and keep us posted.
@@justkillnbugz thanks for the response, I just watched your video again and realized that your spacer appears to be like 1/8 to 1/4" thick. I have an aftermarket kit which only had a nylon spacer the thickness of a standard washer. Off to Ace Hardware again. I bought an aftermarket kit because the Harley kits were backordered. Your detailed assembly of the shifter side really helped. I'll probably be back when attempting the brake side
@@mikec35000 ahh, ok that makes sense. It took a bit to get mine as well but I did not see any after market ones when I was looking. Glad the video helped clear things up to help you. That’s why I make them, even if it only helps one person 😊
Thanks for the question, from what I have seen on other videos, the bunking single crash bar will not work with fwd controls. I preferred the full bar for myself and did not like the look of the single bar, so I did not even look in to it. Thanks again for the questions, ride safe
Honestly I am not sure. I dont have one of those so I could not say. Sorry, may want to poke around a bit more and see if anyone has added that on the LRST with them. Ride safe
Thanks for the question Johnny. It really depends on the person. As you can see from the riding part at the end, my shin is right up against the scoop in my normal position. I also changed the scoop on my Road Glide ST for the same reason when braking. For me, yes, it bothered me enough to change it, but it may be different for you and others. Especially depending on you height, inseam, foot size, or many things. Maybe go to a dealer and sit on a RGST and see how it feels with fwd controls and a scoop. It may help you see what it may feel like. Thanks again and Ride Safe.
@@justkillnbugz thank you. I just bought the low rider s and its being delivered as we speak i just wanted forward controls. Cus like you said of knees. But thanks for info.. you helped out alot..
Nice content. Awesome LRST. I purchased mine on December 31st. Did not have any intention of buying a new Harley. Went into the local dealership and there she was, in Gunship Grey. It was all game over from there. I had researched the LRST a bit and was interested. I had not seen one in person. One look was all it took. Dealership is delivering to my house this week. Pretty stoked. Enjoy your channel. Take care.
@@bcbsilverhawk8426 thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. Just about the same story for me but on Halloween. Lol. Went in for a trunk or treat and BAM! Low Rider ST, lol. I would have rather had the gunship like my RGST but justified it by saying I needed different colors, lol. You will love the bike, hopefully my videos will help to give you ideas and save you $$ by doing things yourself. Ride safe and enjoy!
Great video...I would like to trade in my RGS for a low rider ST but can't ride the ST at all without forwards. Would you say the location of the controls after the install are similar to where the controls normally sit on a bagger like the RGS? If so, then I can be confident in buying the ST and moving the controls. I literally just left the Harltey dealership 2 days ago and was hesitant because of this. Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Thx
Great question. When I purchased my Heritage, I test rode a Road King prior to that. The Heritage was far more comfortable with my legs so I changed my mind and got the Heritage for that reason. When I got the LRST, that was one of the main things I wanted to try was to use Heritage fwd controls since I hated the fwd controls and it is still a Softail. Worked great and love it. Feels more roomy than my Road Glides, has a better riding position (for me) and would do it again on any other LRST should I get one. Go for it and enjoy your ride for you.
@justkillnbugz thanks for the response bro! I think I'm gonna do it. I see you mentioned the black forward kit brake pedal sucks. So the next bet would be to get the chrome and powder coat, correct?
@@pbarre79 You bet! I would go with this solution: th-cam.com/video/gBEvSz3U7zo/w-d-xo.html Far better and a much more comfortasble ride. Then you could do this: th-cam.com/video/vTUBH14afEQ/w-d-xo.html and be totally dialed in for a touring feel on a softail. Ride Safe!
@justkillnbugz awesome. I actually have the thrashin 9.5 risers and high bend bars on my road glide and love them! I was thinking to do a similar setup on the LRST once I change to tje forward controls. Thx for all the advice. Ride safe!
So I just reached out to a powder coater who told me they can't powder coat the chrome foot controls unless I had the chrome removed FIRST and then brought it to them. Has anyone heard this before? I feel like I've seen a couple of guys on TH-cam who changed to the chrome forwards and simply had them powder coated
Thanks for the question. I would agree that if there is a hole from the outside through to the inside of the case to allow for the linkage to connect, that I would expect to see an inside cover as well. The kit did not come with any additional covers, plus that would be a real pain to install for sure. However, I will take a look at the case design from the service manual to see if that section is isolated off from the other areas. If someone else watching already knows, please feel free to comment as well, more to come as I find out. Ride Safe
Think you’re not supposed to remove the linkage, just push it back and the bung holds it steady, this way you don’t have to remove the primary to bung the hole in the inner primary that you presently are left with. I did this on my 2011 street bob and no issues. Watch your primary oil level with that hole 👍
What size drive extension and length did you use on the 1/4” bolt behind the primary? Looks like a 1/4” or 3/8” drive. Maybe a 10” extension?? Great vid btw. TIA
Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. I used a 3/8 drive with about a 10 inch extension to give me leverage and keep me away from everything. Worked pretty well. It will of course depend on your bit set for the torx bits but you can also add a reducer if your stuck with 1/4 to give you the 3/8 leverage. Ride safe.
Thanks for the question! That is a tricky one since each person is different. You generally focus on 3 elements for rider comfort: Seat, Bars and Feet. I would suggest you look at seat and bar position first to be sure you are not adding additional stress on your spine/tailbone due to bar angle, butt position and grip height. If all good there, then look at fwd controls depending on what is comfortable for you as you ride.
Awesome video and beautiful bike dude! I’ve got a Low Rider S and I’m thinking of getting this exact same seat. My only concern is that maybe it’s not very wide and that it pushes you forward. I’m exactly the same height as you and 75kg. Are my concerns unfounded or do you find it pushes you forward and is a bit thin? Thanks
Thank you for the comments! Much appreciated! As for the seat, I love it, have them on two of my bikes, doesn't really push me forward but does raise me about an inch which is nice. As for the width, I like it since it is a bit thinner but feels like I have more feel to the bike. My suggestion is go to a dealer and sit on a bike with the seat. The step up is a popular seat and many should have them in used bikes or as a test seat. Then you can see how it feels before ordering. Ride safe
Thanks for the question. In the video, I show you how to push the linkage forward to access the rear linkage bolts for removal. Kind of a pain but works. I also call out the tools I use. Hope that helps, ride safe
Lol watch the video not panicking and listened correctly and picked the info out phew thanks for assist, your video is very helpful especially when not bouncing off the ceiling, just got one bolt to sort now, thanks 😁
Would you comment on how easy it is to use the rear brake with the black forwards you changed to? Another TH-camr commented on his choice to purchase the chrome forwards as opposed to the black ones you have, because of the angle of the rear brake. I'm trying to decide between the two.
Thanks for the question, of course. The black kit brake pedal is oddly small and inset. Especially compared to the chrome set, which why they are different who knows… it can be awkward to use. I weighed out doing the same thing but opted for getting a new black pedal instead of messing with all the powder coating. Additionally, Thrashin is working on a pedal for this bike so I am waiting to see how that goes before I change it out. Hope that helps and ride safe.
Obviously putting forward controls on a motorcycle is a personal choice, but the Low Rider ST was conceived with performance in mind. That being said, it'll handle better with mids and the rider will have a better posture. Definitely change out the seat, but if forward controls are a desired riding style; I'd look for a Night Train.
Thanks for the feedback ARO, however, performance is also a measure of the rider not just the bike. And speaking from personal experience and riding time on many peg positions of bikes, my decision was based on works best for me. Rest assured, not having my knees in my chest made a huge difference when I out rode several others on low rider STs (and other models) with mid controls. It is also the reason I have 4 different rides for different occasions. Appreciate the opinion and ride safe.
I can't believe they have such a pathetic brake pedal with the black kit. I would not expect chrome and black kits to be different parts. Have you found a better brake that will work with the forward controls?
Thanks for the comments. Agreed, I would have thought the same. I have not been able to find a suitable one for the existing black version yet, but some are purchasing the chrome and having them powder coated black. Once I find a solution I like I will post the install to share it out. Ride safe.
Thanks for the comments. I agree, it is a small lever for sure, I will be swapping it out at some point as well. I did not want to mess with buying the chrome version and have to get it powder coated to get the bigger pedal. Why they are different between the two is still a mystery to me though. Appreciate the feedback, ride safe
Kinda suck paying all the money for the bike and still you have to spend a good amount of money to male it rideable. I stick to my switchback to that reason.
Thanks for the comments! I hear ya, it is a great bike, just didnt like the mids, and part of the fun is trying the different things as well. Never know until you try right, lol. I did another video on this bike where I added Heritage full fwd controls and boards to see if it would work. It did! lol, love it. Appreciate the feedback and ride safe!
LOL. Nope, just making it my own, and showing others how to do it if they want to learn. But, thanks for the opinion. I do have 3 others for other purposes as well. Ride safe.
So I’m a guy with 14” T-bars. Not offered on any bike from factory. I want a Saddlemen Step up or a Le pera tail whip to lock me in better that any seat from factory. And I’m 6’ so I want be more comfortable than I am on the mids that came on my 2020 fxlrs. Less sporty, sure but I still want these changes for my comfort. As do many HD riders so a comment like that makes me question if you ride HD because those are some very modest changes
How ya doin and thanks for you're video. I have a Low rider st also but the El Diablo version. I went a different and budget worthy direction in the way of highway Bar, and it also doubles as a fairing engine saver if it was dropped or knocked over somehow. I'm also 6'4" so I definitely needed some leg extension. Happy Holidays and thanks for you're perspective of ways to get the comfortable riding position you need. Love my bike and Do recommend This Harley Davidson bike...
That's a great question. As a Rocket rider yourself, you know how they handle, sit, and the power they pack. In comparison to the RGST/LRST, they are different bikes for sure, made for different rides and function. Now, I do tend to get a lil spirited on all my bikes, trained that way and because of the riding the Rocket for sure, lol. It just keeps you feeling spirited. The Rocket is bulky (much better since the redesign in 2020), it feels solid in turns, but man does it punch out when needed. With the endless torque, in every gear, well, it's just awesome. As a softail, the LRST feels less bulky in turns, but surprisingly agile, and rides softer (not much with the stock shocks though). The 117 does not compare to the power of the 2500, but still has some good kick. The power of the Rocket is unmatched in my experience, same with the responsiveness and overall feel. It just wants to run, fast... All in all, I use them for different things/moods but have fun with each in their own right. Both are great bikes and fun to ride for sure. You give me a great idea that maybe I should do a comparison of all my bikes and share my thoughts (for those who might want to know). I appreciate the support, love that you are a Rocket rider as well, and hope you stay safe out there.
@@jimanders9971 For sure! I didnt get that on it, I do pretty good on my own, lol, but I did get the bluetooth mod, dont really use it though so next time, that will be skipped, lol.
@@justkillnbugz I agree the bluetooth is useless and a waste of money. I disagree on the quickshifter though, I too can shift as quick as anyone but I cant shift while maintaining full throttle like the quick shifter can. But I guess I am lazy, I love bopping around town without having to use the clutch except for starting out, upshift or downshift it matters not. But thats why they offer options, everyone does not like the same stuff.
Lol. Well ok then. Opinions are great and thanks for yours. And if you would look, I do have a road glide. But appreciate your thoughts and isolated opinion anyhow. Good thing it’s my bike right? Ride safe.
Comprehensive and articulate video. This will help me install mine 👍
Thank you! I appreciate that. Have fun and ride safe!
Great video!! Great detail. Can’t wait to see which risers you go with! Love the shirt, thanks for the support!! ✌️
Thank you, and you bet. Love your channel as well. Looking forward to the next upgrades.
What an excellent video! Really helpful! Thanks much!
Thank you. Much appreciated. I am glad you found it helpful.
Ride safe.
Excited to do these mods too. I'm 5'11" and my shin sits on the air cleaner as is!
100% Agreed, it makes it so much better. I eventually ended up putting full boards on it and love it. There is a video on that as well.
Ride Safe
Also forward controls and THRASHIN floor boards and Trash air cleaner . Thanks for all the videos.
I appreciate the support and comments 🙂
Great video, 2 comments
1) purchasr info on the black cap to cover the metal tab on the back of the seat?
2) I have the same forward controls on my LRST 2023. The brake is too low. There is darn little adjustment in it from what I can tell. It makes cobering the back brake a bit of work. Do you have adjustment suggestions or alternative brake pedal I should consider that sits higher?
Thanks for the comments. Yes, I did a follow up video on this bike with installing full heritage fwd controls and a full Harley brake pedal. Check that one out because that was my similar complaint about these. The seat lock is a Robert Becker design lock, also have various videos and purchase info on those. Awesome products! Check those out as well.
Ride safe.
Not the seat lock. I bought that. I am talking about the black cap that fit over the rear bracket on the seat.
Regarding the brake pedal, and forward controls (heritage). What was your motivation for going with the heritage forwards? Did the heritage brake pedal not work with the first forward control you upgrade?
@@davigf1 ah, ok. I am guessing mean because I do not have a chrome seat bracket. My saddleman came with a black bracket. You can purchase a cover on Amazon that includes a different thumbscrew for like 12.00 if I remember right.
As for the motivation, the HD fwd controls kit is still at the mid control height. The heritage fwd controls are much lower and provide a more comfortable riding position with a lower knee bend placement. The full boards are an added bonus.
Great tutorial!! I watched in 1.25 speed and understood everything. I have the low rider s and love my mid controls, but as you said, it's because I'm only 5'7.
Thank you for taking the time to comment and identify the effort. Much appreciated.
Ride safe!
Im 6’2 and felt super cramped on the st, if i buy one i would definitely need these forward controls
Indeed, so much better and a great bike (once that was done) lol
I finally purchased a 22 lowrider st and did the forward controls. Few questions hows the rear brake feel? Mine feels like trash. Also i ordered same seat how does it change your riding position?
Congrats and thanks for the questions. I agree on the HD fwd controls, the black pedal is crap. I did another video on adding full heritage fwd controls and boards, check that one out. As for the seat, I also did a video on adding mine with riding position views to help show that. Check those out and hopefully they will help with adjustments and position changes. The best thing I did was add the Thrashin bars and risers. Also a video on that. Made a huge difference. Appreciate the feedback.
Been waiting for this one…awesome to hear the improvements that these changes have made. Super informative. Can’t wait to see the bar setup!
Thanks for the comments! I am glad it succeeded in providing some solid detail.
What a difference, for me anyways, so much better. The bars will be an additional improvement for sure. Stay Tuned!
Done this 5 month's ago it made a good bike. AWESOME done over 1000 mile's in 24 hour's here in the UK it's called the iron butt challenge.
Done it 22 hour's 35 min's .... loved ever mile ...
That’s awesome! I want to do one of those “officially” one day. Done it may times just riding but always forget to do the reporting. Before I knew it I was over, lol. Ride safe, have a happy new year and thank you for the comments.
I’m 5’7”. I am considering forwards on my FXLRST … but idk. I really want to sit on one with it on already
Thanks for the comments and support!
That is a fair point for sure. I really enjoy the difference, but many other LRST riders that I have spoken to like the mids as well. I think it will really come down to your fit and comfort. If you can find one near you to check out, go for it, would be worth it I think. Additionally, you can sit on a Heritage at the dealer, they are both softails and the Heritage is setup with forward controls and boards. May give you a good reference.
Good luck and ride safe!
I'm 5'9 and I hate the mid controls and the handlebar placement. First 2 things I would have to change to be comfortable. Great detailed video, now I'll be searching for your bar set up.
Thank you, it's off of my main page, hope it helps!
Great video. I have a RG but was given a Lowrider S as a loaner with mid controls while my bike was receiving warranty service. My first thought with the Lowrider S is that I needed forward controls. I’m only 5’9” and coming from the RG I was like “forward controls all the way” for a Softail.
Thank you, I agree 100% (obviously) because I just felt very cramped. Love my heritage with boards and fwd controls. Hope all is well with the RG, ride safe.
Thanks for the straight forward comment on the mid controls. I am 5’ 11” with a 33” inseam and the mid controls put and my knees well above the seat. I hear people that are over 6’2” say it is is fine, but I agree this sucks.
Thanks for the comments, and I agree.
Ride safe.
Great video. Very thorough and informative instructions.
Hey Mark, thanks for the comments and much appreciated. I hope it helps out.
Ride Safe!
excellent ! thanks lot i have the same problem with mid controls !
Thanks Bruno. Ain’t it the truth though, lol.
Ride safe.
Ill start on my project Low Rider ST in May, really like your video.
Thank you! Much appreciated, hopefully my videos will give you some great ideas for your ride. Go to my home page and see all the various ones I have for the LRST.
Ride Safe
Bike looks great, appreciate your review.
Much appreciated, more to come 👍
@@justkillnbugz Can't wait
I went on my first Harley demo ride a couple weeks ago and I really enjoyed this bike more than I thought I would, but I could not deal with my legs being tucked up so far being 6'2". If this helps, I would be inclined to buy this bike.
Thanks for the comment. It works great, rides just like a heritage but has the pep and style of the LRST. You have to do what works best for you but for me, made all the difference in the world.
Ride safe.
Dude, great looking bike! I just purchased a 2022 Road Glide ST, and I've been looking for a seat. I think I will purchase the Saddleman seat and seat lock you just put on your bike! Thanks for posting this video! 👍
Thanks! You bet, for my RGST I put on the Lucky Dave’s Bagger seat, also a video on that one. I really like the way it sits on the RGST and cheaper than a Saddleman. Check it out.
Ride safe
@@justkillnbugz
Cool, will do. Thanks!👍
I have the exact bikes st forward controls , 475 S&S , THRASHIN pipe , Saddleman , mustache, 6.5 “ bars , general dynamic lights . Also a road glide with 475 , Olin front and rear , Saddleman , all black 2020 your thought on keeping both . And what do you like best ,I’m 81 and some time the st is easy to throw around . Love the road glide for longer trips but most of my riding is shorter now days .
That's awesome and thank you for the comments! Sounds like you have excellent taste ;-).
In answering your question, I prefer my road glide over the low rider at this point, but I am still working on various updates to the LRST (despite some nay sayers on my choices ;-)) and it is working through an oil leak issue at the dealer. I toss my RGST around pretty easily, but the LRST being a softail with the 117 is a fun bike to ride.
If it were me, I would look at what suits you best these days and what is the most comfortable and enjoyable for you. In my opinion, there is no reason not to keep both, unless there is a financial preference involved. But, you can outfit the LRST with the sound system and tour pack to give you the same functions (mostly) of the Road Glide, if it is easier for you to ride and stand up due to the weight difference.
All in all, much respect for having some awesome bikes and getting out there and enjoying the experience.
Ride Safe!
Do you happen to have the part number for the Harley black shift lever? Thank you for the great video.
Thanks much appreciated. I don’t off hand at the moment but it is called out in my low rider LED lights and triple play video in the description.
Ride safe.
Great video. I'm not as displeased as you with the mid-controls, but I gotta get forwards. I don't like the handlebars. Too straight and a bit too far of a reach. I already added the Thrashin' 6.5 pullback, and mid bend bars but still too much of a reach and still too straight. I'd like to get bars of the same height and pullback as mini-apes.
Thank you for the feedback. Much appreciated. That path is coming for me as well as soon as I get the bike back from the dealer with the oil leak issue. I will keep you posted once I do the install video. Only exception is I have high bend bars and 9.5 going on.
Ride safe.
I might have missed it but what forward control kit did you use?
No problem, it is in the description, however this is the one: www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/shop/standard-forward-control-kit/p/50700060. Additionally, I have since done an updated fwd control video using the Heritage fwd controls and boards which is much more comfortable.
You may want to check that one out as well before purchasing anything: th-cam.com/video/gBEvSz3U7zo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=NNGh2gBEqLYjeCkc
Hello very informative video. Question, Is it just as easy going back to mid's I am buying a 2023 Low Rider ST and the current owner has installed forward controls but at 5'10" and close to 70 years old I feel like I may need the mid's like I have now on my 2014 Dyna Street Bob. I think I could do the back to mid's myself after watching your video also the seller says he could also do it for me. (he has all of the original mid parts) So what I'm asking is should I buy it with the forwards and see if I like iit. If not in your opinion how hard is it to go Back to mid's Thanks man
Thank you for the comments. Great question, reverting back would just be the opposite of what I did, correct. Only thing is that you may need to pull off the covers to get the linkage arm back in, but I have not done it so not sure. I will tell you that the fwds are much more comfortable to me, at 5’11 than the mids. But that would be specific to your preference. If you have not yet ridden the bike as is, do so and see. If you don’t like it, ask the owner to put them back if it’s worth it, or try yourself. I think you could do it, just take your time.
In any case, if you like the bike, and it’s a good deal, don’t let that stop you.
Ride safe.
Ok holy crap what a step by step informative video! The preparation thumbs up bugz! The attention to detail thumbs up! The tricks a very big thumbs up! You are going to help a lot of people save money and of course labor fees Well again awesome video and beautiful bikes! ✌️
Thank you Sir, much appreciated. I am glad to see that this video was helpful.
Ride Safe.
Very informative video keep up the great work.
You don't find that the part of the engine on the right that sticks out gets in the way of your leg with the forward controls?
Thanks for the question. I do not since I changed the air cleaner out as well to gain 4 inches of additional clearance.
Ride safe
Whats your opinion on the Fosgate speakers. Are they as good quality as the factory speakers on a Road Glide or street glide
Thanks for the question. I have not installed one, so I don’t have a personal reference, but from the videos I have seen from others who have installed them, it works pretty good. You would just need to have a remote option added since everything operates off the phone which would be tough while riding.
Hope that helps.
Great video!
Much appreciated
Great video by the way.
I just installed forward controls on my 2021 Lowrider S.
Haven't ridden it yet but your video was very helpful.
My question is the forward control kit comes with a plug for the outer primary cover where the mid control shifter arm was,but how about the hole in the inner primary where the shifter shaft follows through to the vertical shifter arm out the back side?
Does that need a plug also?
Will it leak primary fluid out that hole?
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,Joe
Thank you, I appreciate the feedback and question. Been a while, but the instructions do not call out the need to plug the inner shaft hole. I have not any leakage or fluid loss since the upgrade so I think all is good.
I am sure you will love the result and check out my second video on how to add heritage forward controls to my low rider at.
@@justkillnbugz Right on.
Thankyou for your quick response.
I will check out the other video with the floorboard install.
Ride safe man.✌
Thanks for the video! I’m doing this job now, how much side to side play did you have with the shift lever where it mounts to the bracket? I’ve got the oring on the engine side and the instructions called for an oring and nylon spacer on the other side (outside) of the bracket. I’ve got what a I consider excessive play. I’m thinking if I added a nylon spacer on the engine side of the bracket it would probably resolve the slack issue, it’s just that the instructions didn’t call for it.
Hi Mike, thanks for the question. I didn’t have any play on the shifter once I put the o rings and bolt in as you described. It snugged up just fine. It’s hard to say without seeing it but just be sure you have everything in place. Refer to my video again if it helps. If still an issue, you want need to exchange the part as it may be defective. Hope that helps and keep us posted.
@@justkillnbugz thanks for the response, I just watched your video again and realized that your spacer appears to be like 1/8 to 1/4" thick. I have an aftermarket kit which only had a nylon spacer the thickness of a standard washer. Off to Ace Hardware again. I bought an aftermarket kit because the Harley kits were backordered. Your detailed assembly of the shifter side really helped. I'll probably be back when attempting the brake side
@@mikec35000 ahh, ok that makes sense. It took a bit to get mine as well but I did not see any after market ones when I was looking.
Glad the video helped clear things up to help you. That’s why I make them, even if it only helps one person 😊
Can it be installed together with the bunking highway peg crash bar?
Thanks for the question, from what I have seen on other videos, the bunking single crash bar will not work with fwd controls. I preferred the full bar for myself and did not like the look of the single bar, so I did not even look in to it.
Thanks again for the questions, ride safe
Where can i find this kind of seat please !? Thanks
Thanks for the question. The parts that I put on the bike are all listed in the description. It is the saddleman seat.
Ride safe.
Will forward controls work with the bmc lower fairings?
Honestly I am not sure. I dont have one of those so I could not say. Sorry, may want to poke around a bit more and see if anyone has added that on the LRST with them. Ride safe
I really like the scoop.. if I add the forward controls. Does. The scoop really bother you?
Thanks for the question Johnny. It really depends on the person. As you can see from the riding part at the end, my shin is right up against the scoop in my normal position. I also changed the scoop on my Road Glide ST for the same reason when braking.
For me, yes, it bothered me enough to change it, but it may be different for you and others. Especially depending on you height, inseam, foot size, or many things. Maybe go to a dealer and sit on a RGST and see how it feels with fwd controls and a scoop. It may help you see what it may feel like.
Thanks again and Ride Safe.
@@justkillnbugz thank you. I just bought the low rider s and its being delivered as we speak i just wanted forward controls. Cus like you said of knees. But thanks for info.. you helped out alot..
@@johnnybotello4304 you bet, congrats on the new ride. Have fun and ride safe!
Nice content. Awesome LRST. I purchased mine on December 31st. Did not have any intention of buying a new Harley. Went into the local dealership and there she was, in Gunship Grey. It was all game over from there. I had researched the LRST a bit and was interested. I had not seen one in person. One look was all it took. Dealership is delivering to my house this week. Pretty stoked. Enjoy your channel. Take care.
@@bcbsilverhawk8426 thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. Just about the same story for me but on Halloween. Lol. Went in for a trunk or treat and BAM! Low Rider ST, lol. I would have rather had the gunship like my RGST but justified it by saying I needed different colors, lol.
You will love the bike, hopefully my videos will help to give you ideas and save you $$ by doing things yourself.
Ride safe and enjoy!
Great video...I would like to trade in my RGS for a low rider ST but can't ride the ST at all without forwards. Would you say the location of the controls after the install are similar to where the controls normally sit on a bagger like the RGS? If so, then I can be confident in buying the ST and moving the controls. I literally just left the Harltey dealership 2 days ago and was hesitant because of this. Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Thx
Great question. When I purchased my Heritage, I test rode a Road King prior to that. The Heritage was far more comfortable with my legs so I changed my mind and got the Heritage for that reason. When I got the LRST, that was one of the main things I wanted to try was to use Heritage fwd controls since I hated the fwd controls and it is still a Softail. Worked great and love it. Feels more roomy than my Road Glides, has a better riding position (for me) and would do it again on any other LRST should I get one.
Go for it and enjoy your ride for you.
@justkillnbugz thanks for the response bro! I think I'm gonna do it. I see you mentioned the black forward kit brake pedal sucks. So the next bet would be to get the chrome and powder coat, correct?
@@pbarre79 You bet! I would go with this solution: th-cam.com/video/gBEvSz3U7zo/w-d-xo.html
Far better and a much more comfortasble ride. Then you could do this: th-cam.com/video/vTUBH14afEQ/w-d-xo.html and be totally dialed in for a touring feel on a softail.
Ride Safe!
@justkillnbugz awesome. I actually have the thrashin 9.5 risers and high bend bars on my road glide and love them! I was thinking to do a similar setup on the LRST once I change to tje forward controls. Thx for all the advice. Ride safe!
So I just reached out to a powder coater who told me they can't powder coat the chrome foot controls unless I had the chrome removed FIRST and then brought it to them.
Has anyone heard this before? I feel like I've seen a couple of guys on TH-cam who changed to the chrome forwards and simply had them powder coated
So, you plug the outside hole in the primary, but what about the back hole? Won't dirt get in there?
Thanks for the question. I would agree that if there is a hole from the outside through to the inside of the case to allow for the linkage to connect, that I would expect to see an inside cover as well. The kit did not come with any additional covers, plus that would be a real pain to install for sure. However, I will take a look at the case design from the service manual to see if that section is isolated off from the other areas.
If someone else watching already knows, please feel free to comment as well, more to come as I find out.
Ride Safe
Think you’re not supposed to remove the linkage, just push it back and the bung holds it steady, this way you don’t have to remove the primary to bung the hole in the inner primary that you presently are left with.
I did this on my 2011 street bob and no issues.
Watch your primary oil level with that hole 👍
What size drive extension and length did you use on the 1/4” bolt behind the primary? Looks like a 1/4” or 3/8” drive. Maybe a 10” extension?? Great vid btw. TIA
Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. I used a 3/8 drive with about a 10 inch extension to give me leverage and keep me away from everything. Worked pretty well. It will of course depend on your bit set for the torx bits but you can also add a reducer if your stuck with 1/4 to give you the 3/8 leverage.
Ride safe.
I’m 5.6 inches tall. When I ride longer distances, I get lower back pain. Do you think the forward controller might help?
Thanks for the question! That is a tricky one since each person is different. You generally focus on 3 elements for rider comfort: Seat, Bars and Feet. I would suggest you look at seat and bar position first to be sure you are not adding additional stress on your spine/tailbone due to bar angle, butt position and grip height. If all good there, then look at fwd controls depending on what is comfortable for you as you ride.
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Thank you for the comments, I appreciate the support.
Ride safe.
Awesome video and beautiful bike dude! I’ve got a Low Rider S and I’m thinking of getting this exact same seat. My only concern is that maybe it’s not very wide and that it pushes you forward. I’m exactly the same height as you and 75kg. Are my concerns unfounded or do you find it pushes you forward and is a bit thin? Thanks
Thank you for the comments! Much appreciated!
As for the seat, I love it, have them on two of my bikes, doesn't really push me forward but does raise me about an inch which is nice. As for the width, I like it since it is a bit thinner but feels like I have more feel to the bike. My suggestion is go to a dealer and sit on a bike with the seat. The step up is a popular seat and many should have them in used bikes or as a test seat. Then you can see how it feels before ordering.
Ride safe
Help when stripping the gear linkage and gear rod what diameter tools did you use all my allen keys do not fit cant ride my bike till its done
Thanks for the question. In the video, I show you how to push the linkage forward to access the rear linkage bolts for removal. Kind of a pain but works. I also call out the tools I use.
Hope that helps, ride safe
Lol watch the video not panicking and listened correctly and picked the info out phew thanks for assist, your video is very helpful especially when not bouncing off the ceiling, just got one bolt to sort now, thanks 😁
Would you comment on how easy it is to use the rear brake with the black forwards you changed to? Another TH-camr commented on his choice to purchase the chrome forwards as opposed to the black ones you have, because of the angle of the rear brake. I'm trying to decide between the two.
Thanks for the question, of course. The black kit brake pedal is oddly small and inset. Especially compared to the chrome set, which why they are different who knows… it can be awkward to use. I weighed out doing the same thing but opted for getting a new black pedal instead of messing with all the powder coating. Additionally, Thrashin is working on a pedal for this bike so I am waiting to see how that goes before I change it out.
Hope that helps and ride safe.
Obviously putting forward controls on a motorcycle is a personal choice, but the Low Rider ST was conceived with performance in mind. That being said, it'll handle better with mids and the rider will have a better posture. Definitely change out the seat, but if forward controls are a desired riding style; I'd look for a Night Train.
Thanks for the feedback ARO, however, performance is also a measure of the rider not just the bike. And speaking from personal experience and riding time on many peg positions of bikes, my decision was based on works best for me. Rest assured, not having my knees in my chest made a huge difference when I out rode several others on low rider STs (and other models) with mid controls. It is also the reason I have 4 different rides for different occasions.
Appreciate the opinion and ride safe.
I can't believe they have such a pathetic brake pedal with the black kit. I would not expect chrome and black kits to be different parts. Have you found a better brake that will work with the forward controls?
Thanks for the comments. Agreed, I would have thought the same. I have not been able to find a suitable one for the existing black version yet, but some are purchasing the chrome and having them powder coated black. Once I find a solution I like I will post the install to share it out.
Ride safe.
What size tbit did you use on that inside bolt on the shifter lever. You said was a 1/4 inch bolt?
Thanks for the question. Yes, not a torx bit but a hex bit, 1/4 inch on the stock softails for me. May vary depending on lever and peg choices.
Thank you, I did figure that after a while 😊
hot tall are you mate?
Thanks for the question. 5’ 11” and a lil bit.
I think I’m not a fan of that brake. Looks too small. Would have to go with Moto-X or something bigger.
Thanks for the comments. I agree, it is a small lever for sure, I will be swapping it out at some point as well. I did not want to mess with buying the chrome version and have to get it powder coated to get the bigger pedal. Why they are different between the two is still a mystery to me though.
Appreciate the feedback, ride safe
Layers of wide blue painters tape on the fins saves your skin and comes off easily with no residue…🤷♂️
Great tip! Thanks.
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Thanks, appreciate the feedback. Happy holidays and ride safe!
Kinda suck paying all the money for the bike and still you have to spend a good amount of money to male it rideable. I stick to my switchback to that reason.
Thanks for the comments! I hear ya, it is a great bike, just didnt like the mids, and part of the fun is trying the different things as well. Never know until you try right, lol. I did another video on this bike where I added Heritage full fwd controls and boards to see if it would work. It did! lol, love it.
Appreciate the feedback and ride safe!
Bikes lookin sweet! I just posted a walk around video of my ST after modifying it a bit. if you got time check it out, lemme know what you think
Thanks! Appreciate the feedback. I will check it out.
please put some gloves on for safety
Thanks for the comments. Much appreciated.
Foot controls, handlebars and different seat. Sounds like you bought the wrong bike 😂.
LOL. Nope, just making it my own, and showing others how to do it if they want to learn. But, thanks for the opinion. I do have 3 others for other purposes as well.
Ride safe.
So I’m a guy with 14” T-bars. Not offered on any bike from factory. I want a Saddlemen Step up or a Le pera tail whip to lock me in better that any seat from factory. And I’m 6’ so I want be more comfortable than I am on the mids that came on my 2020 fxlrs. Less sporty, sure but I still want these changes for my comfort. As do many HD riders so a comment like that makes me question if you ride HD because those are some very modest changes
How ya doin and thanks for you're video. I have a Low rider st also but the El Diablo version. I went a different and budget worthy direction in the way of highway Bar, and it also doubles as a fairing engine saver if it was dropped or knocked over somehow. I'm also 6'4" so I definitely needed some leg extension. Happy Holidays and thanks for you're perspective of ways to get the comfortable riding position you need. Love my bike and Do recommend This Harley Davidson bike...
lol who buys a Harley and leaves stock you make the bike your own
How do you compare the ST to the Rocket?
That's a great question. As a Rocket rider yourself, you know how they handle, sit, and the power they pack. In comparison to the RGST/LRST, they are different bikes for sure, made for different rides and function. Now, I do tend to get a lil spirited on all my bikes, trained that way and because of the riding the Rocket for sure, lol. It just keeps you feeling spirited.
The Rocket is bulky (much better since the redesign in 2020), it feels solid in turns, but man does it punch out when needed. With the endless torque, in every gear, well, it's just awesome. As a softail, the LRST feels less bulky in turns, but surprisingly agile, and rides softer (not much with the stock shocks though). The 117 does not compare to the power of the 2500, but still has some good kick.
The power of the Rocket is unmatched in my experience, same with the responsiveness and overall feel. It just wants to run, fast...
All in all, I use them for different things/moods but have fun with each in their own right. Both are great bikes and fun to ride for sure.
You give me a great idea that maybe I should do a comparison of all my bikes and share my thoughts (for those who might want to know).
I appreciate the support, love that you are a Rocket rider as well, and hope you stay safe out there.
Lol, until someone absolutely pegs the throttle on a Rocket they cant understand. Do you have the quick shifter on yours?
@@jimanders9971 For sure! I didnt get that on it, I do pretty good on my own, lol, but I did get the bluetooth mod, dont really use it though so next time, that will be skipped, lol.
@@justkillnbugz I agree the bluetooth is useless and a waste of money. I disagree on the quickshifter though, I too can shift as quick as anyone but I cant shift while maintaining full throttle like the quick shifter can. But I guess I am lazy, I love bopping around town without having to use the clutch except for starting out, upshift or downshift it matters not. But thats why they offer options, everyone does not like the same stuff.
@@justkillnbugz I love bike comparisons, especially from a guy that has ridden the included bike a lot and has no axe to grind. I hope you do them.
This is the dumbest thing you can do to this bike buy a road glide of your going to do this this takes away from the feel and.the handling
Lol. Well ok then. Opinions are great and thanks for yours. And if you would look, I do have a road glide. But appreciate your thoughts and isolated opinion anyhow. Good thing it’s my bike right? Ride safe.