I feel like M'baku is not a villain at all. Was he an adversary? Yes, but he was just exercising his rights and participating in Wakanda's "election" process.
I actually don't understand why so many people not know what's the reason of Malekith's plan!!!!! He wanted to turn all the Nine Realms into darkness becuz he & his species needs that to survive & it will be easy for them to go anywhere without any problem.
@@shoshi5533 I feel like you might be replying to a different comment, but I agree that it sounds like a solid objective. It's just that the film sort of underutilized him.
Vulture's plan was working for 8 years and would probably have kept working because he didn't draw too much attention to himself. Even knocking down the building on Spidey should have worked, how would he know otherwise, unless he read the comic in 1965? It was the Tinkerer's plan to go after the plane and Vulture knew it was a bad plan. So it is no longer the Vulture's fault that the plan doesn't work.
At some point though he decided to steal from Tony Stark, and the Vulture is just a poor man's Iron Man, so he was doomed attracting that level of attention.
@@misters6749 I mean, he could’ve retired after that heist , and dropping the building should have worked, so most likely Spider-Man wouldn’t have been there to intervene, and his plan would’ve worked
Going for the plane would have worked and was working up until Spiderman showed up. That's part of the problem I have with this list, when you judge the plan by whether or not it fails then you ignore the fact that it HAD to fail and was always going to fail because they are the bad guys and the bad guys lose in the end. But when you remove the Spiderman factor his plane robbery works fairly well. It's clear he had what it takes to succeed though. And if his henchmen had been able to take out Spider Man then the plane heist works.
I feel like this video really needs a second axis. I wish this was one axis of "terrible" to "effective" and another axis of "straight forward" to "contrived"
Alternatively, "well thought out" vs "poorly thought out" and "well executed" vs "poorly executed". Mysterio's plan in particular was very poorly thought out - there's no way the charade could be maintained in the presence of real Avengers - but very well executed.
Isn't Sakaar's whole deal that it's like the drain trap of the universe? That's why there's so much junk just falling out of the sky - everything that goes off-course/gets lost gets channeled there. So it's not just completely random chance that Thor, Loki and Hulk all end up there.
Hela is also throughout the movie trying to get the sword for the bifrost that will transport her armies anywhere, EVEN THOUGH she could have used the Tesseract the entire time!! She walks passed it and knew exactly what it was!!
Or she could have used Odin's spear, which was shown to work in Thor1. The very spear that she ignores in the throne room earlier in the film, which thor then picks up to fight her with!
They debunk this with the fact that using the stone without preparation is foolish. Red skull tried and got sent to vormir, and Loki couldn’t even open a portal without using Eric selvigs crazy research. Thanos needed the gauntlet to control the stones power etc. If Hela used the stone recklessly she could’ve ended up anywhere with no bifrost. So it would be easier for her to just find the sword.
Yea I also thought she was way too cocky.. and also didn’t expect Thor and anybody else to destroy Asgard by resurrecting the giant so she pretty much had everything in the bag no one could stop her killed a lot of people off she wanted to the sword to transport her dead army… she just didn’t expect Asgard to get destroyed as a last ditch effort
In addition to backing himself up, Ultron should've killed traffic lights, dropped planes out of the sky and rendered all medical equipment useless. Also, why not freeze not only Stark's accounts but cause an economic crisis by devaluing all currencies in one fell swoop, and leak the Avengers' and every celebrity's and politician's past sins to the public? He didn't need to nuke the planet or recreate the meteor that snuffed out the dinosaurs.
@@justfriends7581 I didn't phrase that properly. Employing those diversion tactics would keep the Avengers off balance and spread them thin so he could gear up for his endgame - whatever form that may ultimately take.
The problem was that Jarvis was working in the background, stopping Ultron's more "tradicional" plans. But I'd have loved seeing that kind of chaos in AoU, instead of his "meteor thingy" idea
@@WigantX I hate that Whedon gave Ultron rubber teeth overall. Tony should've been utterly traumatized by the events of this movie, possibly through the death of Happy; Clint should've been severely injured, maybe even comatose (since I do appreciate the inversion of fleshing out his character and NOT killing him); Thor should've perished so in his threequel he could've fought his way out of Hel; Hulk should've been lured into the Quinjet and shot into space (since he ended up on Sakaar anyway; so why not have Ultron factor into that development?).
I disagree with your placement of Nebula. Not because the plan wasn't bad, but because it wasn't a villain's plan. She was not a villain at that point, so I don't think you can rank any plan she had at that point that was intended to help our heroes on this list. It would be like putting the final Loki in the disaster category just because his plan of double crossing Thanos was poorly thought out and obviously not going to work. In my opinion, either rank her villain plan, or put her in the n/a rank.
I honestly thought you were gonna give Thanos two spots like you did with Loki, considering that the two Thanos' in IW and Endgame are essentially two different people with two different plans, the former succeeds, the latter fails
@@TheDelinear ah but if you think about it, the events of Endgame are irrelevant to Thanos' original plan - he kills half of all life, and destroys the stones, and in regards to that specific Thanos, there's nothing the Avengers can do about it, he won The Avengers then have to come up with their own new plan to bring everybody back, this doesn't reverse the fact that Thanos originally won, those people were still gone for 5 years, and their losses are still lost (like original Vision, Black Widow and Tony)
I agree with you 100 percent. Thanos did everything possible to keep people from undoing his plan. A bunch of time travel nonsense I doubt would cross the mind of literally anyone. The only thing that Thanos should have honestly considered is why Strange wanted to spare Tony’s life, but that was more of a personal flaw with thanos’ arrogance making him believe that no one could do what was necessary like he could.
Thanos plan still meh tho all together because while he succeeds in what he does eventually the universe will just repopulate all over again anyways so I mean.
@@TheDelinear True but the only reason Thanos' plan fails in that regard is due to something he couldn't have possibly prepared for, which was a series of coincidences that led to the Avengers discovering time travel from a guy that ended up trapped in the Quantum Realm ONLY because Thanos' snap happened at precisely the right moment.
I'd have put Dormammu at n/a, since it's not so much a plan as it is his nature to consume dimensions. Kaecillius was the one with the plan, Dormammu was just being opportunistic and exploiting him to break through.
27:36 Ebony Maw said something like “your humble personage, never has someone been powerful to HOLD two infinity stones”, meaning that Thanos is holding them without the aid of a scepter or tesseract box, he held them in his hand (then in the gauntlet)
I’d rather rank the plans by their quality/intelligence outside of whether they “somehow work” or “somehow fail” on t movies. Pierce and his Hydra buddies control SHIELD and the Council from the shadows for decades - great plan. Zemo’s Civil War plan is deeply reliant on coincidence and things he can’t possibly know - disaster plan. And so on.
Loki in "Thor" has a Great Plan. His plan has initial success: sabotage Thor's coronation, bait Thor into starting a war against Odin's wishes (which puts Thor out of succession by either getting him killed or, as what happens in the movie, Odin punishing him for his actions). Had Loki removed Heimdall from duty for failure to notice the Frost Giant infiltration and installed someone loyal to operate the Bifrost, he would have kept Asgard.
I think M'Baku's plan was fine. Challenging T'Challa for the throne was pretty simple but it could have easily worked. Backing T'Challa later on did work. I would have put him in N/A though, because he wasn't really a villain.
On top of that, it's at least a Fine Plan. He does have the physical skill to challenge T'Challa, and that's all it would have taken for him to win the throne.
Why would Hela have any reason to worry about Surtur? I doubt she would assume that Thor, or anyone else, would actively CHOOSE to destroy Asgard (which he does, but there’s no reason to assume he would try to do more damage than her)
Since Thor beat up Surtur without breaking a sweat, and Hela can beat Thor without much effort, it stands to reason that she should actually be able to easily defeat Surtur as well. Unless he somehow becomes stronger by simply being in Asgaard, but we had no explanation to that effect.
@@jesperengelbredt Well he was much larger than before, maybe because of the eternal flame. And we know she wasn't able to easily beat Surtur, because she tries and fails. So...
I genuinely didn’t remember Yon-Rogg’s plan… or his name, I just call him evil Jude Law. I’m so sad he got wasted in this universe. Hopefully “The Marvels” will at least make better use of Brie Larson’s talent
@@anthonycates269 Yeah, didn't Carol specifically send him back to the Supreme Intelligence to warn it about her? So we could definitely see him back with a better plan in the future.
44:40 Thanos should have been in the Great Plan category. The reasoning for his plan is absolutely bonkers - but he ACCOMPLISHES WHAT HE SET OUT TO DO. He got the stones. He destroyed half of all life. He destroyed the stones so what he did couldn't be undone. His plan succeeded. He won. Then, if you want to use 'both' versions (even though he was either alluded to in or actually in way more than just the two movies), he *almost* wins again. He got a little bit cocky at the end, which is really the only reason he failed (aka a writing workaround to make him lose). He's the only one on the entire list who actually did what he set out to do. Everyone in your Great Plan tier eventually loses without actually fully accomplishing their goals first. Thanos only ended up losing because the Avengers went back in time to get replacement stones. I suppose you could critique Thanos for not looking into the future like Dr. Strange and seeing the SINGULAR WAY he could have lost, but you didn't do that. He had a great plan, I'm sticking to it.
If we're going to excuse Thanos for not accounting for Endgame's time-travel plot, then we might as well credit Zemo fully for his plan succeeding in Civil War. He set out to fracture the Avengers, and it worked. The team was still broken right up until Infinity War, which arguably led to their defeat because they weren't all together to fight Thanos at once before he could collect all the Stones.
@@SuperScarface83 Very true. Zemo did want the fracture, but he was also definitely hoping for casualties. Zemo is in the Great Plan tier, and I fully agree with his placement there.
Or like...anyone spends a day with him. What did he think would happen, that he would join the Avengers? And then what? How would the very first day go?
Also, Killmonger destroys (almost) all the fruit required to save Tchalla and restore his powers. He only loses because the Tchalla’s body washes up on the borders of a rival leader, a rival leader who decides to preserve the body of his sworn enemy, and then help Tchalla’s family who managed to steal a fruit when they turn to him for safety. Considering Killmonger had NO way of knowing the internal politics of Wakanda, I think that’s enough to give him a pass.
Given the time it takes place, the intelligence of Killmonger, his training, he would have seen+learned in all forms of media, fiction, non fiction, and the vulnerability of t’challa, unless he had some idealistic code in his mind saying “if my enemy survives he deserves another chance” the it really is a bad plan that serves to be t’challa’s plot armour. The best defence I can imagine would be that he really got cocky because dealing with super beings I don’t think will ever get old and casual for ordinary people,so now that he’s defeated someone who is considered if not one at the moment of battle. I also noticed that he didn’t scar himself which may connect to something in terms of his mindset
@@AuspexAstarte I mean with how big of a drop that Tchalla fell from, it would’ve been rare for him to survive. Also, he might’ve scarred himself offscreen.
@@NorthEasternMotionProductions 🤷♂️better safe than sorry. “Kill confirmed” isn’t just a fancy term for fun, but ur also correct it’s a heccin treacherous drop, def thousand times better for dramatic effect
Yeah, I feel like everything after Nebula's face turn should be discounted. When she was a villain, she had Great Plans, and that was it. (Endgame 2014 Nebula, though? Not so great.)
It's really hard to qualify Nebula's behavior as "plans" most of the time. She doesn't scheme, she operates on instinct, even if her instinct does serve her very well most of the time. I mean, the deepest her plans tend to go is ambush, and when it's not going well, she cuts her losses and gets out. It pays to be adaptable.
8:24 Mysterio’s plan also only works because he’s really lucky. If he had actually been working with Nick Fury, and not Talos (The skrull replacing him) then I think he would’ve been found out immediately
Easy. Zemo. End of discussion. He was the most effective. He's responsible for the Snap (not only him, but without him, it may not have happened). And he had no powers--he was just a human.
It's actually even dumber than that: By getting captured, Nebula gives Thanos the leverage he needs to force Gamora into revealing where the soul stone is, prompting Thanos to take Gamora with him and learn the cost of acquiring it. Thanos may have killed Gamora, but she died because of Nebula.
"Here's what I'll say about Ghost's plan -" Oh I'd love to hear what Nando thinks about what worked and failed and how she might have succeeded. "- it worked." Oh.
Spoiler Free: The powerbroker's plan was also trash because they could have died in that battle that they themselves setup. Also the power broker wanted more super soldiers but the power broker is directly involved with there being no more super soldiers.
That’s probably because they could no longer control said supersoldiers, therefore making them not useful to their goals. Also, they probably wanted revenge for the supersoldiers’ betrayal.
Ralph Breaks the Internet is such a uniquely awful movie that it would need to be entirely rewritten and rebuilt from the ground up (which we know Nando could do, naturally).
@@NandovMovies I believe the movie needed to build off of “Going Turbo” if they wanted to go with the Vanelope leaving route. Instead of making Ralph insecure about his friendship with a little girl, which is creepy, he should have been constantly afraid of Vanelope making the same mistakes he did before. Like a protective parent. A father figure. That would be building off of the themes of the first movie. Also, I would have kept everything in the arcade. Focused on the video game aspect of things. Maybe a fear of getting replaced by a newer game. That was also a forgotten theme in the first movie that drove Turbo to become a villain. Maybe that’s too “Toy Story.” And probably too big of a change.
for zemo although the plan we saw play out depended on a number of coincidences, I assume that if things had played out differently he would’ve adapted - basically he didn’t necessarily plan out for the events we saw but he excels at adapting on the fly and coming out on top. And also now that we know that he had a butler running around, its possible that there was coordination involved that helped the coincidences play out (like the EMP delivery happening right when he needed it)
HELA'S PLAN: disaster. She doesn't escape imprisonment (just gets let out when Odin dies), she ruins Asgard even BEFORE Surtur shows up, and her undoing is totally her fault for being lax and arrogant. Surtur on the other hand has a great plan! -- wait for prophecy to show up and do his own thing meanwhile. Maximum results from minimum effort.
Zola and Hydra returning could be in a future Captain America film. Sam and Bucky go round two with beast with many heads. It would be very emotionally difficult for Bucky to face Zola again and would probably be a great way for him to really confront what was done to him.
I'd argue that Taserface's plan deserves a disaster ranking. His plan comes about sporadically and with little to no coordination. He doesn't bother to destroy the fin, it's almost like an afterthought to him. And, his plan results in a straight-up massacre of Yondu's entire crew, with Kraglin the sole survivor. If that's not a disaster, I don't know what is. Also, everyone outside of the Ravagers who he talks to never take him seriously. So there's also that.
I would actually argue that, ironically, Loki's plan in Avengers is fine (and only backfires as said because of Coulson and the fact that he doesn't take the tactical advantage of actually defending the machine on Stark Tower in the final battle). Up until that point, the plan is going pretty smoothly, for what it is, though I would imagine he would have a better plan if the whole "also get the Tesseract for Thanos and you are obliged to use the Chitauri army" didn't factor in. In Thor 1 and Dark World he's working on the fly, so not really much planning in it (though whatever he does in Dark World to get the throne, it works!). But Ragnarok - betraying Thor out of nowhere when its established that Loki probably doesn't want to stay on Sakaar either. Not his smartest move. And what was his plan for overthrowing the Grandmaster anyway.
This should be called “Ranking Villains Based on how Their Plans Went” because some villains had great plans, they were just foiled. You ranked these based on the outcome, not the plans themselves.
I think Ego told Peter about the whole giving his mother cancer thing, because he did it after he showed Peter the universe, and when he told Peter this, Peter was seemingly seeing the universe through Ego’s eyes, so at that point he thought Peter would 100% agree with him on every level, which is why he did it so off handedly. Cause he NEVER excepted Peter’s feelings for a long dead mortal to snap him out of Ego’s grip.
There was a deleted scene for Age of Ultron where Ultron sent a kid to go get The Twins, and that's why he showed up at the church. And it IS clear in the finished film that he WAS waiting for them.
I'd argue that The Dark World Loki had a fine plan because his whole goal was to become ruler of Asgard, which he succeeds in doing. His only problem was that he didn't think that far beyond that goal.
You could also argue that if Nebula hadn't panicked after learning about past thanos in endgame she could have just traveled to the present and thanos never would have been able to come to the present and Tony wouldn't have died.
46:34 Iron Man 3 should’ve ended with Tony giving the Second Daughter an adjustable-length Mk 42 leg. T he tech he invented offscreen for IM3 would solve missing limbs
This analysis is all over the place: ** Klaue had no "plan" in either movie to evaluate... he's just a thief taking scores. ** The Grandmaster has no "plan" either. He's just a kingpin. ** Mysterio's plan is STILL working... he died, but didn't lose. ** US Agent had ZERO plan - he just wanted a job for which he wasn't qualified. ** M'Baku didn't have a plan - he went for a job, fought fairly, and lost. He didn't try to usurp the throne or anything. He's not even a villain; he's a temporary antagonist. It sounds like this is a list of "Most Competent Villains" instead of "Best Plan"...
With Justin Hammer, I think you need to establish what the difference is in your estimation between plans and goals. Since destroy Tony Stark’s legacy isn’t a plan it’s a goal. And selling drones to the military in an effort to do that would qualify as a plan but if the purpose of his designs is ultimately to get the military to buy his drones then selling his drones to the military is a goal rather than a plan
I feel like their loss/death should not discount the plan. The main characters have the writer on their side. Sometimes there's gonna be a coincidence/deus ex machina that was impossible to plan against.
I gotta disagree with you when it comes to Abomination's plan. He's actually got a great plan, which worked out incredibly well for him. He did exactly what he wanted, he got more. He may have lost to the Hulk, but that doesn't change the fact that his plan worked out. It's the same level as Zemo's plan both times.
" Then gets Hulk's powers and still gets beat up by the Hulk. And we have never seen him since " The next day : " Abomination shows up fighting Wong in The Shang-chi trailer " . Never say never. It's MCU
Disagree with a lot of this list. You're listing the plans by their execution and results, rather than their intent (you know, the "plan" part of it where the logic needs to make sense and you would succeed if the execution goes well and you at least tried to consider eventualities)
Exactly. I stopped watching at the 4-minute mark when he called Ulysses' plan a disaster because he got double-crossed... I was expecting some actual analysis of their plans. What a pointless list and a 1-hour video.
@@ErebosGR A double-cross is a sign of bad plan because it means you put too much trust into somebody that is untrustworthy. The fact that the guy you're working with knows an awful lot more about Wakandan technology than the average person should reasonably know should be a red flag, especially when you know the Wakandans have spies.
I think Wanda should be on this list somewhere because she did take an entire town hostage… that wasn’t because of Agatha… I’d consider Wanda a villain in that regard plus she seems she may end up a villain in multiverse of madness
I'm not sure you can judge the plan based on success or failure. you ought to just judge the plan itself. otherwise they pretty much all fail so if you allow that gauge then they all are terrible plans because they mostly fail .
I think it would have been that much better of a list if you included likability and not just whether they accomplished their goals. For example, watching Andy Serkis chew scenery was so much fun! And Loki was so likable, they kept resurrecting him and now gave him his own show!
I feel like M'baku is not a villain at all. Was he an adversary? Yes, but he was just exercising his rights and participating in Wakanda's "election" process.
Yeah he obeyed the law the entire time and he wasn't even salty about losing afterwards
@@thekiss2083 yeah and later he even saves panther and fights thano’s army in infinity war
yeah I also dont think it was accurate to say ti was some kind of surprise challenge
open challenge actually WAS on the docket
Yeah, jpeople of the other tribes also had the oportunity to challenge for the throne, it's just that nobody wanted to
I would call him a rival.
"Oh no its the Falcon! Get the wing suits, surely we'll have an advantage over him in the air!"
They had the wing suits with them for their escape before they ever could’ve known Falcon would come after them, though.
"Once the ball gets to the finish line, Dormammu fails to dunk it." This is the kind of high quality DGAF analogy we love Nando for.
Ben simmons?
I don't think Nebula's plans after becoming a hero should count
@@mwu365 u
I think he just doesn’t understand basketball 😂
@@sachemofboston3649 yeah I'm pretty sure he just didn't know the exact term so he chose an obviously wrong term that got the idea across.
Nando: _and we’ve never seen abomination since_
Abomination: _shows up in Shang Chi trailer_
THE SAME DAY WHAT ARE THE CHANCES
Abomination: is also going to be in she hulk
I actually don't understand why so many people not know what's the reason of Malekith's plan!!!!!
He wanted to turn all the Nine Realms into darkness becuz he & his
species needs that to survive & it will be easy for them to go anywhere
without any problem.
@@shoshi5533 I feel like you might be replying to a different comment, but I agree that it sounds like a solid objective. It's just that the film sort of underutilized him.
Vulture's plan was working for 8 years and would probably have kept working because he didn't draw too much attention to himself. Even knocking down the building on Spidey should have worked, how would he know otherwise, unless he read the comic in 1965? It was the Tinkerer's plan to go after the plane and Vulture knew it was a bad plan. So it is no longer the Vulture's fault that the plan doesn't work.
Tinkerer didn’t but a gun to Toomes head though.
He coulda just shot that down but HE CHOSE to go for that plane.
Hence it’s his fault,completely!!
Vulture didn’t have to listen to him he was a minion
At some point though he decided to steal from Tony Stark, and the Vulture is just a poor man's Iron Man, so he was doomed attracting that level of attention.
@@misters6749 I mean, he could’ve retired after that heist , and dropping the building should have worked, so most likely Spider-Man wouldn’t have been there to intervene, and his plan would’ve worked
Going for the plane would have worked and was working up until Spiderman showed up. That's part of the problem I have with this list, when you judge the plan by whether or not it fails then you ignore the fact that it HAD to fail and was always going to fail because they are the bad guys and the bad guys lose in the end.
But when you remove the Spiderman factor his plane robbery works fairly well. It's clear he had what it takes to succeed though. And if his henchmen had been able to take out Spider Man then the plane heist works.
I feel like this video really needs a second axis. I wish this was one axis of "terrible" to "effective" and another axis of "straight forward" to "contrived"
Alternatively, "well thought out" vs "poorly thought out" and "well executed" vs "poorly executed". Mysterio's plan in particular was very poorly thought out - there's no way the charade could be maintained in the presence of real Avengers - but very well executed.
@@elekbuday81 and very well acted.
@@elekbuday81 His plan was genius up to the point that he planned, almost a get what you wish for if he got away with it
“Makes an off-handed comment”… “gets his arm cut off.”
I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE.
“His plain fails because he underestimates the love of Steve and Bucky”. Nando, I cried.
They also overestimate Hydra's brainwashing and Bucky's willpower.
Hela's plan is to start every scene walking into, or having just entered, a location, announcing exposition, then walking to another location.
And looking hot
She is almost a parody of the action-shakespearian genre of Thor's first two movies.
@@invertedname3099 That’s the only plan she succeeds at.
That's it Hollywood, stop making movies. This guy #wrecked u. Rip :(((
@@invertedname3099can’t forget that
Isn't Sakaar's whole deal that it's like the drain trap of the universe? That's why there's so much junk just falling out of the sky - everything that goes off-course/gets lost gets channeled there. So it's not just completely random chance that Thor, Loki and Hulk all end up there.
I appreciate that the movie gave an explanation, but it’s still pretty hand-wavey
@@elecboy5126 Tbh, you can describe almost anything as handwavey..
Nothing wrong with handwaving; inscrutable explanations often get in the way of the story
@@elecboy5126 inscrutable explanations would definitely do that, but not sure it means what you think it means
Ah dang you right
Thanks
I can’t remember what the word i was looking for was though. Incontrovertible or something
You missed Prowler (Donald Glover). Disaster: his ice cream melted.
🤣
Legit made me laugh. 🤣
🍦....CURSE YOU, SPIDER-MAN!!!
That was his mistake!
Hela is also throughout the movie trying to get the sword for the bifrost that will transport her armies anywhere, EVEN THOUGH she could have used the Tesseract the entire time!! She walks passed it and knew exactly what it was!!
Or she could have used Odin's spear, which was shown to work in Thor1. The very spear that she ignores in the throne room earlier in the film, which thor then picks up to fight her with!
They debunk this with the fact that using the stone without preparation is foolish. Red skull tried and got sent to vormir, and Loki couldn’t even open a portal without using Eric selvigs crazy research. Thanos needed the gauntlet to control the stones power etc. If Hela used the stone recklessly she could’ve ended up anywhere with no bifrost. So it would be easier for her to just find the sword.
Yea I also thought she was way too cocky.. and also didn’t expect Thor and anybody else to destroy Asgard by resurrecting the giant so she pretty much had everything in the bag no one could stop her killed a lot of people off she wanted to the sword to transport her dead army… she just didn’t expect Asgard to get destroyed as a last ditch effort
@@diggsj0536 Yeah, when Loki used it in the first episode of the Loki series, he uses the Tesseract and ends up somewhere unknown
I think this is the first time Caecilius has ever topped a tier list
You mean there's not a Crustiest Eyes tier list?
@@TheDelinear idk I think surtur tops that list
@@lfnreviews I mean, you're not wrong
I really wish Mads Mikkelsen had been able to play a more compelling villain in the MCU
@@vsf_dave811 He would be a great Dr. Doom!
In addition to backing himself up, Ultron should've killed traffic lights, dropped planes out of the sky and rendered all medical equipment useless. Also, why not freeze not only Stark's accounts but cause an economic crisis by devaluing all currencies in one fell swoop, and leak the Avengers' and every celebrity's and politician's past sins to the public? He didn't need to nuke the planet or recreate the meteor that snuffed out the dinosaurs.
All that would just cause chaos. If I’m not mistaken Ultron wanted to get rid of the human race altogether.
@@justfriends7581 I think throughout the chaos he can create the meteor out of sokovia
@@justfriends7581 I didn't phrase that properly. Employing those diversion tactics would keep the Avengers off balance and spread them thin so he could gear up for his endgame - whatever form that may ultimately take.
The problem was that Jarvis was working in the background, stopping Ultron's more "tradicional" plans. But I'd have loved seeing that kind of chaos in AoU, instead of his "meteor thingy" idea
@@WigantX I hate that Whedon gave Ultron rubber teeth overall. Tony should've been utterly traumatized by the events of this movie, possibly through the death of Happy; Clint should've been severely injured, maybe even comatose (since I do appreciate the inversion of fleshing out his character and NOT killing him); Thor should've perished so in his threequel he could've fought his way out of Hel; Hulk should've been lured into the Quinjet and shot into space (since he ended up on Sakaar anyway; so why not have Ultron factor into that development?).
love how confidently he praises Zemo’s plans at the same time as calling them completely stupid
I disagree with your placement of Nebula. Not because the plan wasn't bad, but because it wasn't a villain's plan. She was not a villain at that point, so I don't think you can rank any plan she had at that point that was intended to help our heroes on this list. It would be like putting the final Loki in the disaster category just because his plan of double crossing Thanos was poorly thought out and obviously not going to work. In my opinion, either rank her villain plan, or put her in the n/a rank.
I honestly thought you were gonna give Thanos two spots like you did with Loki, considering that the two Thanos' in IW and Endgame are essentially two different people with two different plans, the former succeeds, the latter fails
The former fails too... eventually. His plan wasn't "wipe out half of all life in the universe for five years".
@@TheDelinear ah but if you think about it, the events of Endgame are irrelevant to Thanos' original plan - he kills half of all life, and destroys the stones, and in regards to that specific Thanos, there's nothing the Avengers can do about it, he won
The Avengers then have to come up with their own new plan to bring everybody back, this doesn't reverse the fact that Thanos originally won, those people were still gone for 5 years, and their losses are still lost (like original Vision, Black Widow and Tony)
I agree with you 100 percent. Thanos did everything possible to keep people from undoing his plan. A bunch of time travel nonsense I doubt would cross the mind of literally anyone. The only thing that Thanos should have honestly considered is why Strange wanted to spare Tony’s life, but that was more of a personal flaw with thanos’ arrogance making him believe that no one could do what was necessary like he could.
Thanos plan still meh tho all together because while he succeeds in what he does eventually the universe will just repopulate all over again anyways so I mean.
@@TheDelinear True but the only reason Thanos' plan fails in that regard is due to something he couldn't have possibly prepared for, which was a series of coincidences that led to the Avengers discovering time travel from a guy that ended up trapped in the Quantum Realm ONLY because Thanos' snap happened at precisely the right moment.
I'd have put Dormammu at n/a, since it's not so much a plan as it is his nature to consume dimensions. Kaecillius was the one with the plan, Dormammu was just being opportunistic and exploiting him to break through.
27:36 Ebony Maw said something like “your humble personage, never has someone been powerful to HOLD two infinity stones”, meaning that Thanos is holding them without the aid of a scepter or tesseract box, he held them in his hand (then in the gauntlet)
I’d rather rank the plans by their quality/intelligence outside of whether they “somehow work” or “somehow fail” on t movies. Pierce and his Hydra buddies control SHIELD and the Council from the shadows for decades - great plan. Zemo’s Civil War plan is deeply reliant on coincidence and things he can’t possibly know - disaster plan. And so on.
Those coincidences aren't part of his plan. He does this crazy thing called "adapting"
and also, Zemo influenced the situations to make sure the right thing happens.
Zemo's plan was the best since it worked
Loki tried to stop the Warriors 3 from going, Heimdall let them go and got frozen for it
Loki in "Thor" has a Great Plan. His plan has initial success: sabotage Thor's coronation, bait Thor into starting a war against Odin's wishes (which puts Thor out of succession by either getting him killed or, as what happens in the movie, Odin punishing him for his actions). Had Loki removed Heimdall from duty for failure to notice the Frost Giant infiltration and installed someone loyal to operate the Bifrost, he would have kept Asgard.
I think M'Baku's plan was fine. Challenging T'Challa for the throne was pretty simple but it could have easily worked. Backing T'Challa later on did work. I would have put him in N/A though, because he wasn't really a villain.
why is mbaku even ON the list, he's not a villain, he's a rival
On top of that, it's at least a Fine Plan. He does have the physical skill to challenge T'Challa, and that's all it would have taken for him to win the throne.
Why would Hela have any reason to worry about Surtur? I doubt she would assume that Thor, or anyone else, would actively CHOOSE to destroy Asgard (which he does, but there’s no reason to assume he would try to do more damage than her)
I figure if she gets her powers from Asgard, she should definitely destroy or at least hide the thing that can destroy Asgard.
@@NandovMovies Fair enough 🤷♂️
@@NandovMovies Hide it in some sort of secure vault, perhaps?
Since Thor beat up Surtur without breaking a sweat, and Hela can beat Thor without much effort, it stands to reason that she should actually be able to easily defeat Surtur as well. Unless he somehow becomes stronger by simply being in Asgaard, but we had no explanation to that effect.
@@jesperengelbredt Well he was much larger than before, maybe because of the eternal flame.
And we know she wasn't able to easily beat Surtur, because she tries and fails. So...
I genuinely didn’t remember Yon-Rogg’s plan… or his name, I just call him evil Jude Law. I’m so sad he got wasted in this universe. Hopefully “The Marvels” will at least make better use of Brie Larson’s talent
Diesel patches?
Agreed, though Yon-Rogg didn’t die, so he could hopefully return in a better, maybe more powerful and villainous role
He said Yon-Rogg and my immediate reaction was "...who?" Picked up my phone and was like "oooohhhh him....I do not remember that movie well" haha
@@anthonycates269 Yeah, didn't Carol specifically send him back to the Supreme Intelligence to warn it about her? So we could definitely see him back with a better plan in the future.
But he didn't die. He could still return. And I too hope Captain Marvel actually evolves as a character in The Marvels
44:40 Thanos should have been in the Great Plan category. The reasoning for his plan is absolutely bonkers - but he ACCOMPLISHES WHAT HE SET OUT TO DO. He got the stones. He destroyed half of all life. He destroyed the stones so what he did couldn't be undone. His plan succeeded. He won. Then, if you want to use 'both' versions (even though he was either alluded to in or actually in way more than just the two movies), he *almost* wins again. He got a little bit cocky at the end, which is really the only reason he failed (aka a writing workaround to make him lose).
He's the only one on the entire list who actually did what he set out to do. Everyone in your Great Plan tier eventually loses without actually fully accomplishing their goals first. Thanos only ended up losing because the Avengers went back in time to get replacement stones. I suppose you could critique Thanos for not looking into the future like Dr. Strange and seeing the SINGULAR WAY he could have lost, but you didn't do that. He had a great plan, I'm sticking to it.
If we're going to excuse Thanos for not accounting for Endgame's time-travel plot, then we might as well credit Zemo fully for his plan succeeding in Civil War. He set out to fracture the Avengers, and it worked. The team was still broken right up until Infinity War, which arguably led to their defeat because they weren't all together to fight Thanos at once before he could collect all the Stones.
@@SuperScarface83 Very true. Zemo did want the fracture, but he was also definitely hoping for casualties. Zemo is in the Great Plan tier, and I fully agree with his placement there.
Mysterio’s plan falls apart if Dr. Strange catches him on his bull crap
Or if Fury is actually there
Or like...anyone spends a day with him. What did he think would happen, that he would join the Avengers? And then what? How would the very first day go?
Mysterio's plan was childlish wish nothing else
Mysterio saw "The Incredibles"
or anyone with xray or heat vision for that matter. those hologram drones would've easily been picked up by anyone with that tech like say war machine
“The only reason he gets “Not a Great Plan” aside from my complete bias…”
“Did he get Chinese dragon tattoos on his chest? Like what a loser.”
That killed me 😂😂
Also to defend Killmonger, Tchalla didn’t have his powers and there was a fairly small chance that he would’ve survived.
A fair point but still if Kilmonger just cut Tchalla's head off, he wins. So not a great plan.
Also, Killmonger destroys (almost) all the fruit required to save Tchalla and restore his powers. He only loses because the Tchalla’s body washes up on the borders of a rival leader, a rival leader who decides to preserve the body of his sworn enemy, and then help Tchalla’s family who managed to steal a fruit when they turn to him for safety. Considering Killmonger had NO way of knowing the internal politics of Wakanda, I think that’s enough to give him a pass.
Given the time it takes place, the intelligence of Killmonger, his training, he would have seen+learned in all forms of media, fiction, non fiction, and the vulnerability of t’challa, unless he had some idealistic code in his mind saying “if my enemy survives he deserves another chance” the it really is a bad plan that serves to be t’challa’s plot armour. The best defence I can imagine would be that he really got cocky because dealing with super beings I don’t think will ever get old and casual for ordinary people,so now that he’s defeated someone who is considered if not one at the moment of battle. I also noticed that he didn’t scar himself which may connect to something in terms of his mindset
@@AuspexAstarte I mean with how big of a drop that Tchalla fell from, it would’ve been rare for him to survive. Also, he might’ve scarred himself offscreen.
@@NorthEasternMotionProductions 🤷♂️better safe than sorry. “Kill confirmed” isn’t just a fancy term for fun, but ur also correct it’s a heccin treacherous drop, def thousand times better for dramatic effect
Nebula's plans only failed when she's no longer a villain. When she's a villain her plans are great 👍🏾
So why not put her at N/A like Bucky.
Yeah, I feel like everything after Nebula's face turn should be discounted. When she was a villain, she had Great Plans, and that was it. (Endgame 2014 Nebula, though? Not so great.)
It's really hard to qualify Nebula's behavior as "plans" most of the time. She doesn't scheme, she operates on instinct, even if her instinct does serve her very well most of the time. I mean, the deepest her plans tend to go is ambush, and when it's not going well, she cuts her losses and gets out. It pays to be adaptable.
Pierce's plan fails because Nick's car lands on top of a manhole.
No nick had a plasma cutter thing it was not a manhole lol
@@gchefjfj8416 he had a plasma cutter which let him get into the manhole
@@gregsiegel7072 that’s a funny way of saying lightsaber
8:24 Mysterio’s plan also only works because he’s really lucky. If he had actually been working with Nick Fury, and not Talos (The skrull replacing him) then I think he would’ve been found out immediately
Easy. Zemo. End of discussion. He was the most effective. He's responsible for the Snap (not only him, but without him, it may not have happened). And he had no powers--he was just a human.
It's actually even dumber than that: By getting captured, Nebula gives Thanos the leverage he needs to force Gamora into revealing where the soul stone is, prompting Thanos to take Gamora with him and learn the cost of acquiring it. Thanos may have killed Gamora, but she died because of Nebula.
"Here's what I'll say about Ghost's plan -"
Oh I'd love to hear what Nando thinks about what worked and failed and how she might have succeeded.
"- it worked."
Oh.
She won tho, she got what she wanted, well mostly
Ultron was so hyped in advertising and I feel he had so much potential!!
I did like the detail that Ultron looked at the internet for a second and decided that humanity needed to be burnt.
@@extremetoast5723 Probably because of the broonies
Spoiler Free: The powerbroker's plan was also trash because they could have died in that battle that they themselves setup. Also the power broker wanted more super soldiers but the power broker is directly involved with there being no more super soldiers.
That’s probably because they could no longer control said supersoldiers, therefore making them not useful to their goals. Also, they probably wanted revenge for the supersoldiers’ betrayal.
@@meduimrareberries5888 That's cool still a bad plan tho
@@raynarayskye I mean it worked didn’t it
Not a bad list. I'd probably move a couple things around, but this was highly enjoyable
Thank you!
"I hope Arnim Zola has a backup"
"We haven't seen Abomination since"
This aged well and it's only been 3 months
Time to drop everything I'm doing and watch this
Forget my scripts it’s Nando time
Time to quit my job for some Nando-time.
Missing the villain with the best executed plan. Surtur, his plan is to blow up asguard with a giant flame sword and he does it flawlessly.
Amazing Spider-Man 1: “turn everyone in New York into big lizards”
Obviously Great Plan, S Tier
Not really MCU tho.
I would like to see Nando try something like this for non-MCU comic book movies.
I’d love to see you rank other villains’ plans.
Batman movie villains, Disney villains, Bond villains, keep em coming.
I feel like Ralph breaks the Internet is a movie that needs your touch. It needs a big change.
Ralph Breaks the Internet is such a uniquely awful movie that it would need to be entirely rewritten and rebuilt from the ground up (which we know Nando could do, naturally).
@@mattkamhi1585 Yes, Nando, please… this series had potential and it threw it all away. I would love some head canon to hold onto.
That is an interesting one. To be honest, I've only seen it once so I'd need to give it another look.
The big change is, "Ralph doesn't forget the entire previous movie's worth of character development"
@@NandovMovies I believe the movie needed to build off of “Going Turbo” if they wanted to go with the Vanelope leaving route.
Instead of making Ralph insecure about his friendship with a little girl, which is creepy, he should have been constantly afraid of Vanelope making the same mistakes he did before.
Like a protective parent. A father figure. That would be building off of the themes of the first movie.
Also, I would have kept everything in the arcade. Focused on the video game aspect of things. Maybe a fear of getting replaced by a newer game. That was also a forgotten theme in the first movie that drove Turbo to become a villain.
Maybe that’s too “Toy Story.” And probably too big of a change.
for zemo although the plan we saw play out depended on a number of coincidences, I assume that if things had played out differently he would’ve adapted - basically he didn’t necessarily plan out for the events we saw but he excels at adapting on the fly and coming out on top. And also now that we know that he had a butler running around, its possible that there was coordination involved that helped the coincidences play out (like the EMP delivery happening right when he needed it)
You kind of have to separate the two Thanos versions though. IMO older IW Thanos and Zemo have the only great plans
17:43 I think it’s because he was waiting for Odin, Hela, Ego, and the Ancient One to die.
HELA'S PLAN: disaster. She doesn't escape imprisonment (just gets let out when Odin dies), she ruins Asgard even BEFORE Surtur shows up, and her undoing is totally her fault for being lax and arrogant. Surtur on the other hand has a great plan! -- wait for prophecy to show up and do his own thing meanwhile. Maximum results from minimum effort.
I would love if Arnim Zola returned. I think someone should try and resurrect Ultron,but his software has just been taken over by Zola.
Zola and Hydra returning could be in a future Captain America film. Sam and Bucky go round two with beast with many heads.
It would be very emotionally difficult for Bucky to face Zola again and would probably be a great way for him to really confront what was done to him.
Watching you rank different villains in the MCU made me realize how truly diverse and large the MCU is.
Madds Mikkelsen's talent was wasted on an obscure villain when he could have really rocked a Dr. Doom.
I'd argue that Taserface's plan deserves a disaster ranking. His plan comes about sporadically and with little to no coordination. He doesn't bother to destroy the fin, it's almost like an afterthought to him. And, his plan results in a straight-up massacre of Yondu's entire crew, with Kraglin the sole survivor. If that's not a disaster, I don't know what is.
Also, everyone outside of the Ravagers who he talks to never take him seriously. So there's also that.
27:23 Well, Loki didn’t use the powers of the space and power stones together. He also held them in containment devices and not in his bare hands.
I would actually argue that, ironically, Loki's plan in Avengers is fine (and only backfires as said because of Coulson and the fact that he doesn't take the tactical advantage of actually defending the machine on Stark Tower in the final battle). Up until that point, the plan is going pretty smoothly, for what it is, though I would imagine he would have a better plan if the whole "also get the Tesseract for Thanos and you are obliged to use the Chitauri army" didn't factor in.
In Thor 1 and Dark World he's working on the fly, so not really much planning in it (though whatever he does in Dark World to get the throne, it works!). But Ragnarok - betraying Thor out of nowhere when its established that Loki probably doesn't want to stay on Sakaar either. Not his smartest move. And what was his plan for overthrowing the Grandmaster anyway.
This should be called “Ranking Villains Based on how Their Plans Went” because some villains had great plans, they were just foiled. You ranked these based on the outcome, not the plans themselves.
I love the video format and thought it was a lot of fun, though the lighting for your face was a little scuffed.
Thanks. Yeah the lighting was a mess but it's something I'm working on.
“And we have never seen Abomination since.”
Later that day…. LOL
With Zemo, it seems like you’re talking about how effective his plan is. Are you ranking the plans by their effectiveness or on how smart they are?
I think kaecilius’s plan was not a great plan just because his entire basis for it was dependent on the benevolence of dormammu, which was foolish
I think Ego told Peter about the whole giving his mother cancer thing, because he did it after he showed Peter the universe, and when he told Peter this, Peter was seemingly seeing the universe through Ego’s eyes, so at that point he thought Peter would 100% agree with him on every level, which is why he did it so off handedly. Cause he NEVER excepted Peter’s feelings for a long dead mortal to snap him out of Ego’s grip.
1 hour of Nando? Hyped to watch it all.
Zemo and Loki always playing the long game. Zemo a little bit better.
Three Lokis is also the number of Lokis in the show: L1130, Sylvie and Ravonna
There was a deleted scene for Age of Ultron where Ultron sent a kid to go get The Twins, and that's why he showed up at the church. And it IS clear in the finished film that he WAS waiting for them.
I'd argue that The Dark World Loki had a fine plan because his whole goal was to become ruler of Asgard, which he succeeds in doing. His only problem was that he didn't think that far beyond that goal.
I really enjoyed this video Nando! The format was great
Was referring to the comment that cost Klaw his arm as "off-handed" an accidental pun? 'Cuz holy crap!
Can you really hold it against the villains for not killing main characters? You can't hold plot armor against villains.
8:25 hearing the Mister Softee jingle just gave me some Ratatouille-style nostalgia
I’m a simple man. I see MCU themed tier list, I watch video, I like video
Thank you for always reminding me that I have nebula. I prefer it to watch your videos but often forget
"Zemo gets rid of all but one super soldier, who is John walker"
*Bucky, Bradley, and Alexei would like to know your location.*
You could also argue that if Nebula hadn't panicked after learning about past thanos in endgame she could have just traveled to the present and thanos never would have been able to come to the present and Tony wouldn't have died.
talking about abomination "and we've never seen him since" *ends up being in trailer released the same day this video was posted*
Trevor Slattery (fake Mandarin) BETTER be in Shang-Chi because the REAL Mandarin came for Trevor in the Marvel One-Shot “All Hail the King”
But that was a while ago. He's probably dead by now... unless we see him in the parts of the movie where Shang-Chi is a kid!
The plot holes that Nando points out are amazing. Well done.
in the end, Killmonger got what he wanted: Wakanda opening up to the world and helping out
I have a problem with the Red Skull ending.
Loads of people have since held the tesseract in their hands with no issues.
His face scared it. :(
46:34 Iron Man 3 should’ve ended with Tony giving the Second Daughter an adjustable-length Mk 42 leg. T he tech he invented offscreen for IM3 would solve missing limbs
This analysis is all over the place:
** Klaue had no "plan" in either movie to evaluate... he's just a thief taking scores.
** The Grandmaster has no "plan" either. He's just a kingpin.
** Mysterio's plan is STILL working... he died, but didn't lose.
** US Agent had ZERO plan - he just wanted a job for which he wasn't qualified.
** M'Baku didn't have a plan - he went for a job, fought fairly, and lost. He didn't try to usurp the throne or anything. He's not even a villain; he's a temporary antagonist.
It sounds like this is a list of "Most Competent Villains" instead of "Best Plan"...
With Justin Hammer, I think you need to establish what the difference is in your estimation between plans and goals. Since destroy Tony Stark’s legacy isn’t a plan it’s a goal. And selling drones to the military in an effort to do that would qualify as a plan but if the purpose of his designs is ultimately to get the military to buy his drones then selling his drones to the military is a goal rather than a plan
Nando twitch! LETS GO
I feel like their loss/death should not discount the plan. The main characters have the writer on their side. Sometimes there's gonna be a coincidence/deus ex machina that was impossible to plan against.
Hela should be fine plan. I don’t think she really though Thor would destroy Asgard his home.
I gotta disagree with you when it comes to Abomination's plan. He's actually got a great plan, which worked out incredibly well for him. He did exactly what he wanted, he got more. He may have lost to the Hulk, but that doesn't change the fact that his plan worked out. It's the same level as Zemo's plan both times.
In Thanos' defense, he won 14 million plans, and lost the One that we saw thanks to Dr. Strange's future sight.
'... and we have never seen him (Abomination) ever since.' This aged like milk super fast thanks to the Shang Chi trailer.
The Leader from the incredible hulk should have been the one in the Falcon and Winter soldier who recreated the serum.
Nah that’s far from his area of expertise. Plus then he would’ve had to die
Malekith successfully devastates Asgard in full lockdown mode and kills their Queen. That’s a great plan right there
" Then gets Hulk's powers and still gets beat up by the Hulk. And we have never seen him since "
The next day : " Abomination shows up fighting Wong in The Shang-chi trailer "
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Never say never. It's MCU
Nando should update this video when Phase 5 begins!
Disagree with a lot of this list. You're listing the plans by their execution and results, rather than their intent (you know, the "plan" part of it where the logic needs to make sense and you would succeed if the execution goes well and you at least tried to consider eventualities)
Exactly. I stopped watching at the 4-minute mark when he called Ulysses' plan a disaster because he got double-crossed...
I was expecting some actual analysis of their plans. What a pointless list and a 1-hour video.
@@ErebosGR A double-cross is a sign of bad plan because it means you put too much trust into somebody that is untrustworthy.
The fact that the guy you're working with knows an awful lot more about Wakandan technology than the average person should reasonably know should be a red flag, especially when you know the Wakandans have spies.
With Nebula it seems like you’re talking more about goals than plans
I think Wanda should be on this list somewhere because she did take an entire town hostage… that wasn’t because of Agatha… I’d consider Wanda a villain in that regard plus she seems she may end up a villain in multiverse of madness
I'm not sure you can judge the plan based on success or failure. you ought to just judge the plan itself. otherwise they pretty much all fail so if you allow that gauge then they all are terrible plans because they mostly fail .
Yeah
Also judging plans by the goal they're meant to achieve. We're not meant to be critiquing goals but the plan to achieve it.
Would love to see more tier lists like this!
The moment Nando realizes how many Lokis are on the list lol
How is this video not full with "not a great plan." Clips from iron man in avengers 1
I think it would have been that much better of a list if you included likability and not just whether they accomplished their goals. For example, watching Andy Serkis chew scenery was so much fun! And Loki was so likable, they kept resurrecting him and now gave him his own show!