Marvel has to appreciate Nando's professionalism in agreeing to call the movie Thunderbolts instead of Justin Hammer: The Movie, like he originally wanted.
yeah i think swapping him for someone cooler that we might meet soon like the hood or abomination because i definitely think the she hulk show will lead him to the thunderbolts hes one of the main members in the comics and val needing hammer for money doesnt make sense at all.. how would val need someone else for financial help shes essentially a female nick fury..
There is no story, only a series of plot points that do not coagulate into a story. What skill exactly did anyone adapt, or what did anyone learn? What exactly did Zemo do that wasn’t normal and casual for him to do? How is this not a movie where we watch Zemo live his normal life? Ok so for example, in Iron Man he is locked in a cave after he finds out he’s the bad guy. In Thor, he’s banished to earth and stripped of his powers. Zemo in this “story” is literally nothing.
I feel so bad for Nando, he put in all this effort and then literally less than 24 hours later the real Thunderbolts movie contradicts 90% of what he said.
Nando: "Let's avoid redundancies on the abilities of team members." Feige: "The team it's gonna be composed of 3 supersoldiers, 2 black widows, and Ghost."
@@j.mnemonic9309 Yeah, not a lot of diversity in terms of skills and powers. Pretty much shooters, martial artists and low level super strength. I would've at least replaced Alexei and Bucky with new characters.
I love the little flourishes you put in your writing. Calling Yelene "little Miss Romanov" was the most Justin Hammer thing ever. I can't imagine the amount of thought that goes into your pitches.
A Thunderbolt movie after Civil War would been cool. Ross would have to pick up the pieces after the Avengers fall out. The villians would also have to register after being caught.
@@EmperorDxD because the movies change things all the time and Ross has been a member of the Thunderbolts, but MCU Ross isn’t Red Hulk and his position makes more sense to be the Nick Fury of the Thunderbolts
Yeah, your roster is more thought out. Just like SS, we need a few people that are memorable but clearly meant to be expendable. The official roster clearly look like they will not only survive but stick around. Plus, mostly enhanced humans/soldiers instead of metahumans... I dunno, might feel like another agents of shield situation
The official Thunderbolts is shockly lacking skillset diversity - with the exception of Ghost, they're all basically different flavours of Coke. I'd have included Songbird or the Beetle as aerial/ranged support, and even swapping Red Guardian out for someone like Speed Demon or Absorbing Man would have at least spiced up the melee fighters so they didnt have three supersoldiers with basically identical powers. I'd even take a wildcard like Radioactive Man or Whirlwind tbh...
I wish they had actually done the Thunderbolts for the Thunderbolts movie, instead of just doing Marvel’s Suicide Squad, which is not the point of Thunderbolts. Like why call it that if you’re going to do something else?
Nando's Justin Hammer is always a treat and absolutely captures Sam Rockwell, love it, I'm gonna need Hammer Cameos - Hammeos? In every pitch from here on out.
I think it’s a mistake not having Atlas on the team, especially if he has the personality and backstory you’ve given him for this pitch. Imagine Zemo, a man who strongly discriminates against superhumans getting along with a superhuman who believes himself to be a danger to people around him. The potential for character growth there is undeniable.
Yeah I liked the pitch for Atlas here. Also nice to have someone on the team who legitimately cares about saving Ross. Luke Cage revenge plot is a bit thin imo -- Ross is more responsible for that than Sterns is, and he like never referenced it in his own show. Also can't see him teaming up with all these villains.
I can overlook Marvel’s 6 person team rule, but I can’t overlook the distinct lack of Monsters on the team. Every superhero team needs some kind of creature.
@@CypherJj4457 1) This is Marvel, the monsters are built into the DNA 2) Martian Man Hunter, Cyborg, and Beast Boy all count from a drawing perspective
@@CypherJj4457 TBF, monster/creature is covered by a lot, the Justice League does have Martian Manhunter, a literal alien, and some may argue that Cyborg is sort of a monster due to his cybernetic enhancements (sort of a body horror thing going on with him), and the Titans have Raven, a half Demon, and Starfire, another literal alien, and those are just more or less out of the founding members of the teams, so the "every team has a monster thing" works for them as well. I agree with you that it's not necessarily mandatory, but it does seem like they do tend to do that a lot.
I like all the characters but they all basically have the same powers. Do we really need 3 Captain America clones and 2 assassins on one team? Ghost is cool tho
@@captainbotstick2443 yeah only ghost is the person having any legitimate powers and looking at the roster it seems secretly to be a black widow sequel just as captain america civil war seem like an avengers movie instead of a captain america movie .
I really hope they stick to the "faking themselves being heroes" bit if only so that we can get some more real costumes in the MCU. Plus, sticking some backstory for Citizen V in there tickles my little Golden Age fanboy heart. I do think that backstory shouldn't make the original Citizen V sound like such a chump though, maybe give him some reason to be remembered, you know what I mean?
Ghost would have to have been snapped to survive the 5 year time gap, as her condition was being treated by Hank Pym. If that happened, then she would be confused when she returned, and that would allow her to be captured.
Nando: I know this is really off topic but My wife and I did a long binge into your videos. We want to share our idea. Our pitch: Dr Strange 2 did not need America Chavez or the illuminati, it needed....Hawkeye. 1. Hawkeye would of contrast nicely with all the magic and dimensions 2. Hawkeye has a history with Wanda. Connecting with her in age of ultron and in endgame 3. Hawkeye can talk to wanda of giving into the grief and rage of loss with his time as Ronin 4. Hawkeye was a father who lost a family and wanda is a mom who lost one. 5. Losing chavez and illumanit will make the movie less jumbled and have more poignant character development 6. Hawkeye would humble dr strange sometimes you dont need magic to save the world 7. Side note it would be great if getting clint was wong's idea further proving why wong is the sorcerer Supreme. Would love your opinion
Poor timing on Nando’s part, the thunderbolts roster was just shown off… no Justin hammer or Zemo😢 Plus you totally nailed the leader coming back but for the wrong movie which is kinda crazy
I really dig this idea, however I really wanna see Abomination in action again! We can even have a homage to the "Reservoir Dogs" scene when all the team walk in slow motion, wearing suits, 70's music on background, and of course, Mr. Tim Roth.
Love this pitch Nando! Not to nitpick, unlike your podcast mostly nitpicking, but just FYI, DC calls them metahumans, whereas MCU has been calling them superhumans/enhanced individuals
Depending on how the new Daredevil series plays out it would be interesting to see Luke cage in the the Thunderbolts. I like the comic moment where he talks about how he’s been on ever superhero team there is and even fought Doom.
After seeing the L cast for the Thunderbolts at D23… (Seriously, Task Master?) I will say NANDO V Movies is the hero we don’t deserve but the hero we need to save the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
@@xxashzerxxplayz679 I agree this is an amazing pitch and tHe MCU has never had a flop financially and the MCU has been MID FOR YOU. For me this has been my fave phase of The MCU so far With MS. Marvel, Wakanda Forever, Shang-Chi (my top 3 MCU in that order to date)
@@TheClackbillula oh I know and I already know it's gonna be my fave MCU movie the trailer broke me in best way and I expect people balling out in the theaters
honestly they can make bullseye work if they play SUPER hard into his improvisation aspect, like have him using cards, knives, toothpicks, his own teeth
Tis good, but there was a thing which nando said part way through which got me thinking how it could be even more different than the standard "suicide squad but for marvel" idea, maybe the point of (or the twist of) the movie is that Zemo is the leader, but he only accepts it sp that he can get the metahuman members of the team killed on the mission. Like he concocts a plan where he figures out exactly at which part each member becomes fully expendable and gets them killed in a way which looks like an accident. And like the fact that he and ghost get a scene at the start and it could come down to just them left at the end, and he just shoots her, and we get a scene revealing all the ways he manipulated the situations to get the rest killed. It's a bit darker, and sacrificing character development for concept but think it could be an interesting way to take it to shake it up a bit. Would further improve his image of tactical genius as well when he manages to complete the mission and successfully destroy the team as well.
Hmm... I disagree on the lineup in a couple ways. I think Abomination's appearance in She-Hulk is to set him up to be on the team. They keep reminding the audience he exists because they plan to use him. I predict the last episode of SH will have Val recruiting Blonsky in the post credits scene. Also I think having Hammer and the Tinkerer is just redundant. TWO genius weapons designers who have mostly been comedic characters? Just keep Hammer. I do love the idea of Screaming Mimi, and especially who you cast to play her.
It's so funny watching this after the team has been announced - he's right for a lot of characters but not all of them. It's especially interesting how much of the pitch revolves around Zemo, as he's not a part of the team. Maybe he'll be a villain, which would be unexpected in some ways but fun, probably.
Fantastic take altho i think the starting scene needs a little tweek the way you explained it, it portrays as Ghost being unnecessarily obstinate as it looks like Zemo could've done a better job (by implication not by facts as Ghost did get the job done). Wouldn't change it tho but I would add a dialogue between them a little later where Zemo dismisses Ghost because she is a meta again and she points out to him that Zemo's flaw is that he only sees people for the powers they have or dont have. This is why he didn't trust her to get the job done because he thought she could only phase through walls when in fact she is an expert operative capable of hacking, manipulating systems etc without her powers. This way you rationalise her not following his instruction and you give Zemo some development when he realises that metahumans are not just their powers, therefore making him an even better leader for the Thunderbolts.
I do ADORE this idea. (Mainly because despite "Ant-Man and the Wasp" being just okay, Ghost is legitimately such a complex character, and she's one of my favorite "villains") But, I'm not sure on the viability of some of these characters... Even if some of the other options are even more unlikely... I personally think it would be cute if they had Man-Thing from "Werewolf By Night", but I know the odds of that are like... Slim to none.
so what,honestly I would like him being more than luke cage who is more of a hero type...man thing fills the strong humanoid creature roaster like killer croc and king shark...also my personal character pick is speedball,he also fills underestimated but really power character shtick like pyro and polka dot man...
The Thunderbolts cast includes Florence Pugh as Yelena Belova, David Harbour as Red Guardian, and Wyatt Russell as U.S. Agent. Olga Kurylenko’s Taskmaster and Hannah John-Kamen’s Ghost will also be on the team. Rounding out the Thunderbolts is Sebastian Stan’s Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier. Valentina Allegra de Fontaine, as played by Julia Louis-Dreyfus, will manage the team.
In the comics Zemo is the only Thunderbolt that doesn't become a hero so maybe they will adapt that in the MCU? (also your cast is better than the official one)
I love that you really take the time to write out character moments other people would be a lot less thought out about it and it really makes the difference. Keep it up my dude.
I thought a lot of the charm of the "villains in disguise" shtick was that all of them are pretending to be existing superheroes, which might not work in the MCU since most of the mirror match villains end up dying. I think the big thing to keep this from being diet Suicide Squad is to lean into these all being established villains. Even if the team lineup doesn't resemble any of the comic incarnations that much, I'd focus in on the highest-profile villains who survived their movies (however many that is, I've lost track) and use them as my starting point.
It is a shame that this video was near instantly outdated due to the D23 reveal of the Thunderbolts line up and the fact that the Leader is going to be In Cap4, this was quite an interesting pitch, I wouldn't have minded this being the actual movie.
Marvel revealing the lamest possible Thunderbolts lineup a week after this video is so funny Nando cooks a team with a really nice mix different abilities and personalities, and then Marvel comes out with - Ghost - Black Widow 2.0 - Hydra’s Captain America - Russia’s Captain America - America’s Captain America - Someone who can copy any ability but mostly Captain America
For the record I love Bucky, and I generally liked Red Guardian and John Walker in their projects, but when 4/6 members of your super team are imitations of Captain America, YOU MAY BE DOING SOMETHING WRONG 🥶
@@JohnBGangAlso,Don't forget bald wakandian black widows...who is even better than supersoldiers appearntly(they smoke heart shaped hearb regurely so its bound to be)
It's an interesting concept, I pretty much agree with the lineup and premise. Also, great addition with Luke Cage, wouldn't have initially thought of adding him in due to his more heroic side, but the more I think about it the more it works, he is a Hero for Hire after all, and he and Jessica could have Danielle at this point. If I were to make changes to it I'd move Hammer from someone in the field to more of a behind the scenes sort of person, like rather than him being out with the team, he works with the Tinkerer to build stuff, but also helps fund different things, like he can pay off people to make the mission go easier or whatever. I also like the addition of Creel, though IIRC he died in Agents of Shield Season 5 after being absorbed into Graviton, which happened shortly before the Snap (Season 5 literally has Thanos's invasion of Earth happening in the background for the last couple episodes) so he wouldn't really be available to use for this, if you want the "Metal Man" thing still (and honestly where I thought you were going), an argument could be made for it being Colossus who is working for the Winter Guard at this point in time as the X-Men haven't formed yet (perhaps have it explained that with the Avengers disbanded and the collapse of the Red Room and the Widow program the Russian government wanted to have their own Avengers that they controlled, and so they get Red Guardian back and have like Colossus and Ursa on the team and whoever else, maybe have it be useful for a sort of reunion between Yelena and Red Guardian, who last we knew she hasn't seen in 9 years since the end of Black Widow, perhaps another thing factoring into her potential face turn and joining the Young Avengers), and it would be a way to continue to get more Mutants into the MCU. Aside from that though, I do think Abomination could be added to the team, sure Blonsky seems reformed, but there does seem to still be more going on with him that we don't yet know, at least to me there does.
Well, after D23, some people could say that this aged like milk... All I'd say is, while I'm content with what we're getting, I hope we get something as close to this as possible...
Glad I’m not the only one that thinks She Hulk has been crazy fun. Seems all I see about it is negativity. Reminds me of John Byrne’s run, which I dig.
My ideal lineup (before watching the pitch), this is based on what we've seen in the MCU so far and closer to the Dark Avengers in concept but taking the Thunderbolts name: U.S. Agent (from Falcon and the Winter Soldier) Yelena Belova (from Black Widow and Hawkeye) Justin Hammer (from Iron Man 2) Abomination (from Hulk, Shang Chi, and She-Hulk) Bullseye (from Daredevil) Vision (from WandaVision) Black Ant (a newly introduced character, Eric O'Grady) OR Atlas (also a newly introduced character, to make it closer to the original Thunderbolts lineup) Moonstone (another newly introduced character, but it depends on The Marvels movie) You really convinced me with adding Baron Zemo, Ghost, Atlas and/or Luke Cage. Edit: after watching She-Hulk, Abomination might seem like a bad choice but I think Valentina can still pull some strings to recruit him. And I forgot to add Scorpion as a stand in for Spider-Man, it can be a nod to his debut in the comics when he was hired by J. Jonah Jameson but this time, it would be Valentina. After looking at the D23 Thunderbolts lineup, lol it's definitely something.
@@julianxamo7835 I didn't want to add Zemo at the time because I wanted each member to be a stand in for a member of the Avengers, and that was going to be U.S. Agent. But like I said, Nando convinced me otherwise.
Welp... baron zemo isn’t on thunderbolts lineup apparently. (May still be in the movie someway) And ‘the leader’ is going to be in captain America new world order. So yea..
I like the idea, especially the part where Hammer name everyone, that was so funny ahahhha, he could be the funny guy in this movie.... eventough the opening before "Thunderbolt" title look 2016 suicide squad-ish, but its okay the character that being recruited is different and not all of them are prisoners... and I hoped the movie could be beginners friendly since there is a lot of characters you didn't familiar with (unless you are a marvel fans) like short introductions but got the idea of their arc/original. Their ability could be introduced along they way like the Eternals-type... and the idea of creating bulk of hulks kind of along the way with Marvel's theme of bigger and space-oriented adventure-ish..
You know, the one villain I'm missing in this line-up is Moonstone. She's a huge powerhouse and has been on the team pretty much since the start, but I guess she would be way too hard for a government agent to control. Maybe in a sequel.
I really wish this was the Thunderbolts story we were getting cause dang, swap Captain America: New Order, and this pitch and I feel like it could fit really well.
I don't think John Walker really had a redemption arc in Falcon and The Winter Soldier. Sam and Bucky were just able to minimize his carnage in that last fight. He was knocked down temporarily, and he wasn't given the satisfaction of killing Karli.
From the future, and your team is infinitly better. We get 2 Assassins, 3 super Soldiers, and ghost. This is easily the least diverse team from a power/dynamic standpoint and is the least imaginative
Unfortunately, there was no gamma bomb experiment in the MCU. The experiment that created the Hulk was a super soldier experiment involving strapping Banner down to a chair.
I think The Thunderbolts in the MCU are going to be more discrete and secret than the comics version and The Avengers due to the fact that the team is mostly super-soldiers and people the world doesn't even know exist like Ghost or Taskmaster. With the team being this way it's very unlikely that they'll need a "Hulk" or even flashy big-time super suits like The Avengers have. I really wanted Songbird on the team though :( Still excited for The Thunderbolts anyway!
Marvel has to appreciate Nando's professionalism in agreeing to call the movie Thunderbolts instead of Justin Hammer: The Movie, like he originally wanted.
Shoulda settled for Justin Hammer (and the thunderbolts)
Imagine if the team is called Hammers instead of Thunderbolts
@@duck-ew5zs I mean, H.A.M.M.E.R. Is what the Shield-like organization that Norman Osborn creates in the comics, so it wouldn't be that crazy lol
Thunderbolt: and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Justin Hammer.
@@julianxamo7835 been waiting for the acronym reveal for 14ish years
Hot take: Nando literally wrote the whole pitch just to get Justin Hammer back in the game.
Yeah I got that vibe too, he's not exactly subtle about the hammer love :p
This is a lukewarm take at warmest.
That's not a hot take, that's legit just what happened.
yeah i think swapping him for someone cooler that we might meet soon like the hood or abomination because i definitely think the she hulk show will lead him to the thunderbolts hes one of the main members in the comics
and val needing hammer for money doesnt make sense at all.. how would val need someone else for financial help shes essentially a female nick fury..
I'll allow it
The scene where Justin Hammer gives everyone their hero personas was pure gold, really hope some version of it ends up in the final movie.
Bruh that hammer scene goes nuts
Nah i think they're going straight suicide squad
Dreams shattered
There is no story, only a series of plot points that do not coagulate into a story.
What skill exactly did anyone adapt, or what did anyone learn? What exactly did Zemo do that wasn’t normal and casual for him to do? How is this not a movie where we watch Zemo live his normal life?
Ok so for example, in Iron Man he is locked in a cave after he finds out he’s the bad guy. In Thor, he’s banished to earth and stripped of his powers. Zemo in this “story” is literally nothing.
@@davidgeldner2167 zemo:*breathing*
There's ur story
Nando: "Taskmaster and Bucky don't make sense for this team."
Feige: "And I took that personally."
I feel so bad for Nando, he put in all this effort and then literally less than 24 hours later the real Thunderbolts movie contradicts 90% of what he said.
@@samrafkin3699 If only he sent it to Kevin Feige instead of posting it on his TH-cam channel
Nando: "Let's avoid redundancies on the abilities of team members."
Feige: "The team it's gonna be composed of 3 supersoldiers, 2 black widows, and Ghost."
@@samrafkin3699 💀
@@j.mnemonic9309 Yeah, not a lot of diversity in terms of skills and powers. Pretty much shooters, martial artists and low level super strength. I would've at least replaced Alexei and Bucky with new characters.
"Don't blame me, blame society....this guy gets it"
How can you distill the essence of the Hammer so casually ?
That bit had me ROLLING.
I love the little flourishes you put in your writing. Calling Yelene "little Miss Romanov" was the most Justin Hammer thing ever. I can't imagine the amount of thought that goes into your pitches.
A Thunderbolt movie after Civil War would been cool. Ross would have to pick up the pieces after the Avengers fall out. The villians would also have to register after being caught.
YES!! I've been saying that for so long! It's honestly a gigantic miss
Why would Ross be involved
He didn't make the thunderbolts in the Comics
@@EmperorDxD because the movies change things all the time and Ross has been a member of the Thunderbolts, but MCU Ross isn’t Red Hulk and his position makes more sense to be the Nick Fury of the Thunderbolts
@@penisnt he all not gonna be in it because he is dead
The official Thunderbolts roster is so lackluster compared to this. I want to see this version of Thunderbolts!
Agreed 100%, super boring, three from black widow and three from falcon and the winter soldier plus ghost. Thought their would be some more variety :/
Yeah, your roster is more thought out. Just like SS, we need a few people that are memorable but clearly meant to be expendable. The official roster clearly look like they will not only survive but stick around. Plus, mostly enhanced humans/soldiers instead of metahumans... I dunno, might feel like another agents of shield situation
Hopefully they were just hiding other members
The official Thunderbolts is shockly lacking skillset diversity - with the exception of Ghost, they're all basically different flavours of Coke. I'd have included Songbird or the Beetle as aerial/ranged support, and even swapping Red Guardian out for someone like Speed Demon or Absorbing Man would have at least spiced up the melee fighters so they didnt have three supersoldiers with basically identical powers. I'd even take a wildcard like Radioactive Man or Whirlwind tbh...
I wish they had actually done the Thunderbolts for the Thunderbolts movie, instead of just doing Marvel’s Suicide Squad, which is not the point of Thunderbolts. Like why call it that if you’re going to do something else?
Nando's Justin Hammer is always a treat and absolutely captures Sam Rockwell, love it, I'm gonna need Hammer Cameos - Hammeos? In every pitch from here on out.
This feels like a better pitch for a show than a movie. I'm seeing Eternals pacing issues. But I love it. The Luke Cage addition is perfect.
i agree, i think this would work fantastic as a show
i think it would work because we’ve already been introduced to most of these characters. While in Eternals the whole team was brand new
the plot of getting ross out is giving me sucide squad '16 flashbacks with the whole waller building thing
Would a Disney+ show really be better pacing-wise given their track record though?
True but Gunn's Suicide Squad was amazing so it could work as a film too
Nando: What does Taskmaster have that we don't already have in Zemo, Walker, or Yelena?
Marvel: ...so, how about we add some more super soldiers?
I think it’s a mistake not having Atlas on the team, especially if he has the personality and backstory you’ve given him for this pitch. Imagine Zemo, a man who strongly discriminates against superhumans getting along with a superhuman who believes himself to be a danger to people around him. The potential for character growth there is undeniable.
Couldn't you get the same interacting with Screaming Mimi instead though?
Yeah I liked the pitch for Atlas here. Also nice to have someone on the team who legitimately cares about saving Ross. Luke Cage revenge plot is a bit thin imo -- Ross is more responsible for that than Sterns is, and he like never referenced it in his own show. Also can't see him teaming up with all these villains.
Nando the joke of Hammer calling Zemo “Barry” is so good
he also could call him Helmy, that would be great too xddd
I can overlook Marvel’s 6 person team rule, but I can’t overlook the distinct lack of Monsters on the team. Every superhero team needs some kind of creature.
Subjective take, Justice League works just fine, so does Teen Titans
@@CypherJj4457 1) This is Marvel, the monsters are built into the DNA
2) Martian Man Hunter, Cyborg, and Beast Boy all count from a drawing perspective
@@CypherJj4457 TBF, monster/creature is covered by a lot, the Justice League does have Martian Manhunter, a literal alien, and some may argue that Cyborg is sort of a monster due to his cybernetic enhancements (sort of a body horror thing going on with him), and the Titans have Raven, a half Demon, and Starfire, another literal alien, and those are just more or less out of the founding members of the teams, so the "every team has a monster thing" works for them as well. I agree with you that it's not necessarily mandatory, but it does seem like they do tend to do that a lot.
I feel like not using Abomination would be a waste of his return
@@CypherJj4457 you're talking about the shows, right? Please tell me you're talking about the shows.
Nando: "Taskmaster and Bucky don't make sense for this team."
Kevin Feige: *Puts Bucky and Taskmaster in the front of the team*
Feige changing his plans because Nando leaked the OG ones yet again.
The inclusion of Luke Cage is great. I'd love a single line to Justin Hammer about his tech that nearly killed Luke.
You really gotta admire Nando's determination to put Justin Hammer in everything he possibly can
Never before have I wished more that one of your pitches was the actual thing because the real roster is just...dang.
Fr, especially with the whole cookie-cutter lineup marvel just announced
Anything marvel does is automatically bad, it seems.
I like all the characters but they all basically have the same powers. Do we really need 3 Captain America clones and 2 assassins on one team? Ghost is cool tho
I Know right there's too many super soldiers in the MCU
@@captainbotstick2443 yeah only ghost is the person having any legitimate powers and looking at the roster it seems secretly to be a black widow sequel just as captain america civil war seem like an avengers movie instead of a captain america movie .
I really hope they stick to the "faking themselves being heroes" bit if only so that we can get some more real costumes in the MCU. Plus, sticking some backstory for Citizen V in there tickles my little Golden Age fanboy heart.
I do think that backstory shouldn't make the original Citizen V sound like such a chump though, maybe give him some reason to be remembered, you know what I mean?
It was a fun reference to the original Zemo too
i also think it would be cool if they all wore either really kamp or really comic book - block colours costumes
I like the idea of the Masters of Evil being the villains for the Thunderbolts, with members from both teams flipping sides midway through the film.
Es mejor que eso de sentry
That's an AWESOME idea
As expected this lineup is better than the one we’re actually getting and it was just a day early
I’m glad that you included Songbird in this, I think she’s really cool and has a lot of potential.
I'd love if they had The Beetle (Spider Man foe) sponsored by Hammer Tech.
Ghost would have to have been snapped to survive the 5 year time gap, as her condition was being treated by Hank Pym.
If that happened, then she would be confused when she returned, and that would allow her to be captured.
I like how D23 confirmed the leader was going to be returning to the mcu in captain America new world order.
Clearly it was a rush job because Nando uploaded this on his TH-cam channel by mistake.
Better than the official lineup just for having Zemo
How could the official lineup not have Zemo. The way Nando pitches makes it seem like a no brainer for him to be in it. Crazy, lol.
@@Maximo_ari I have a feeling that zemo is disguising himself as bucky in the actual movie
Zemo will probably be the villain.
More like better than the official lineup for having Ghost.
Nando:
I know this is really off topic but My wife and I did a long binge into your videos. We want to share our idea.
Our pitch: Dr Strange 2 did not need America Chavez or the illuminati, it needed....Hawkeye.
1. Hawkeye would of contrast nicely with all the magic and dimensions
2. Hawkeye has a history with Wanda. Connecting with her in age of ultron and in endgame
3. Hawkeye can talk to wanda of giving into the grief and rage of loss with his time as Ronin
4. Hawkeye was a father who lost a family and wanda is a mom who lost one.
5. Losing chavez and illumanit will make the movie less jumbled and have more poignant character development
6. Hawkeye would humble dr strange sometimes you dont need magic to save the world
7. Side note it would be great if getting clint was wong's idea further proving why wong is the sorcerer Supreme.
Would love your opinion
“This guy gets it.”
*cuts to Luke Cage*
I’m dead.
29:23
rip lol
Poor timing on Nando’s part, the thunderbolts roster was just shown off… no Justin hammer or Zemo😢 Plus you totally nailed the leader coming back but for the wrong movie which is kinda crazy
Well timed, you mean! Plenty of people are going to see this now!
I really dig this idea, however I really wanna see Abomination in action again!
We can even have a homage to the "Reservoir Dogs" scene when all the team walk in slow motion, wearing suits, 70's music on background, and of course, Mr. Tim Roth.
I love how you made Justin Hammer responsible for all there alter identities 😂
Love this pitch Nando! Not to nitpick, unlike your podcast mostly nitpicking, but just FYI, DC calls them metahumans, whereas MCU has been calling them superhumans/enhanced individuals
Nando submitted his report too late and they had to go with the interns pitch instead. Sad to see 😞
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I was grinning ear to ear when I figured out you were gearing up for an avengers-like title card drop mid-movie. Love this
I love the production quality on these videos man. Always love these pitches ever since the antman and the wasp and the antman pitch
I love how much Nando adores Hammer
You can tell they had to come up with a new cast real last minute after he uploaded this
Depending on how the new Daredevil series plays out it would be interesting to see Luke cage in the the Thunderbolts. I like the comic moment where he talks about how he’s been on ever superhero team there is and even fought Doom.
Imagine Justin Hammer makes an abomination buster, but it’s so terrible and clunky and needs to be plugged in to do basic actions
After seeing the L cast for the Thunderbolts at D23… (Seriously, Task Master?) I will say NANDO V Movies is the hero we don’t deserve but the hero we need to save the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
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Well the MCU has not made a flop movie to date. (flop being a financial loss) so the MCU doesn't need saving. This is a great pitch though
@@xxashzerxxplayz679 I agree this is an amazing pitch and tHe MCU has never had a flop financially and the MCU has been MID FOR YOU. For me this has been my fave phase of The MCU so far With MS. Marvel, Wakanda Forever, Shang-Chi (my top 3 MCU in that order to date)
@@wakandaforever616 Wakanda Forever is not out yet?
@@TheClackbillula oh I know and I already know it's gonna be my fave MCU movie the trailer broke me in best way and I expect people balling out in the theaters
23:00 saying bullseye is just a sharpshooter is really underselling his abilities
honestly they can make bullseye work if they play SUPER hard into his improvisation aspect, like have him using cards, knives, toothpicks, his own teeth
Tis good, but there was a thing which nando said part way through which got me thinking how it could be even more different than the standard "suicide squad but for marvel" idea, maybe the point of (or the twist of) the movie is that Zemo is the leader, but he only accepts it sp that he can get the metahuman members of the team killed on the mission. Like he concocts a plan where he figures out exactly at which part each member becomes fully expendable and gets them killed in a way which looks like an accident. And like the fact that he and ghost get a scene at the start and it could come down to just them left at the end, and he just shoots her, and we get a scene revealing all the ways he manipulated the situations to get the rest killed. It's a bit darker, and sacrificing character development for concept but think it could be an interesting way to take it to shake it up a bit. Would further improve his image of tactical genius as well when he manages to complete the mission and successfully destroy the team as well.
It would be absolutely hilarious to see Val approach Justin about the team and before she can even pitch it to him he says yes.
The way Nando changes voices without really changing... chills...
Hmm... I disagree on the lineup in a couple ways. I think Abomination's appearance in She-Hulk is to set him up to be on the team. They keep reminding the audience he exists because they plan to use him. I predict the last episode of SH will have Val recruiting Blonsky in the post credits scene.
Also I think having Hammer and the Tinkerer is just redundant. TWO genius weapons designers who have mostly been comedic characters? Just keep Hammer.
I do love the idea of Screaming Mimi, and especially who you cast to play her.
It's so funny watching this after the team has been announced - he's right for a lot of characters but not all of them. It's especially interesting how much of the pitch revolves around Zemo, as he's not a part of the team. Maybe he'll be a villain, which would be unexpected in some ways but fun, probably.
They have to bring zemo in. Hopefully they're just saving the reveal
Fantastic take altho i think the starting scene needs a little tweek the way you explained it, it portrays as Ghost being unnecessarily obstinate as it looks like Zemo could've done a better job (by implication not by facts as Ghost did get the job done). Wouldn't change it tho but I would add a dialogue between them a little later where Zemo dismisses Ghost because she is a meta again and she points out to him that Zemo's flaw is that he only sees people for the powers they have or dont have. This is why he didn't trust her to get the job done because he thought she could only phase through walls when in fact she is an expert operative capable of hacking, manipulating systems etc without her powers. This way you rationalise her not following his instruction and you give Zemo some development when he realises that metahumans are not just their powers, therefore making him an even better leader for the Thunderbolts.
Something about Nando playing the role of Hammer really works. He just nails it
Justin Hammer is his spirit animal. 😂
Wow a marvel pitch from Nando featuring Justin Hammer? I never would've guessed.
This was such a hoot to imagine, it's a shame none of this will transpire.
Can't believe they rewrote your script
Wow, this roster and idea is WAY better than what we’re getting.
Sad to see that in under 24 hours The Thunderbolts lineup isn’t like this and The Leader is being used as the villain of another moviw
At least he's being used!
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Favorite TH-cam channel BY FAR. The quality of your content and writing is so astounding
This did not age well. They literally revealed the Thunderbolts line up the next day lol Still a great pitch of course Mr. Nando!
This team is sounding a lot better than the actual team. In fact if Kevin’s watching this he better change it to this team
I do ADORE this idea. (Mainly because despite "Ant-Man and the Wasp" being just okay, Ghost is legitimately such a complex character, and she's one of my favorite "villains") But, I'm not sure on the viability of some of these characters... Even if some of the other options are even more unlikely...
I personally think it would be cute if they had Man-Thing from "Werewolf By Night", but I know the odds of that are like... Slim to none.
so what,honestly I would like him being more than luke cage who is more of a hero type...man thing fills the strong humanoid creature roaster like killer croc and king shark...also my personal character pick is speedball,he also fills underestimated but really power character shtick like pyro and polka dot man...
i wanna watch this more than the actual thunderbolts. think we can get a full plot?
The Thunderbolts cast includes Florence Pugh as Yelena Belova, David Harbour as Red Guardian, and Wyatt Russell as U.S. Agent. Olga Kurylenko’s Taskmaster and Hannah John-Kamen’s Ghost will also be on the team. Rounding out the Thunderbolts is Sebastian Stan’s Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier. Valentina Allegra de Fontaine, as played by Julia Louis-Dreyfus, will manage the team.
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Every character he turned down for a reason is on the team😭😭
Very entertaining, interesting pitch. Curious how you feel about what was actually announced/unveiled.
jesus man. this pitch had me on the edge of my seat!! the intros the dialogue, specifically the jokes and banter... pitch perfect (pun intended)
This actually sounds pretty good, I’d actually watch this. Also you nailed the tones of Zemo, Leader, and Hammer.
In the comics Zemo is the only Thunderbolt that doesn't become a hero so maybe they will adapt that in the MCU? (also your cast is better than the official one)
Marvel, Kevin Fiege, DC, Zaslov…someone give this man a writing job.
Well done Nando.
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I love that you really take the time to write out character moments other people would be a lot less thought out about it and it really makes the difference. Keep it up my dude.
I flat out LOVE that you included Erik Josten just so you could swap out Power Man for Power Man.
"Creel and Sterns" sounds like a music duo lol
I thought a lot of the charm of the "villains in disguise" shtick was that all of them are pretending to be existing superheroes, which might not work in the MCU since most of the mirror match villains end up dying.
I think the big thing to keep this from being diet Suicide Squad is to lean into these all being established villains. Even if the team lineup doesn't resemble any of the comic incarnations that much, I'd focus in on the highest-profile villains who survived their movies (however many that is, I've lost track) and use them as my starting point.
That was the team put together by Norman Osborne after Secret Invasion. And technically they were an Avengers team, not a Thunderbolts.
That was a different team, the dark avengers. Look up the baron zero team
That's a different team, Thunderbolts pretended to be New Heroes
Dark Avengers pretended to be old ones
How. HOW! How is Zemo not a main member of the team? It's unbelievable.
It is a shame that this video was near instantly outdated due to the D23 reveal of the Thunderbolts line up and the fact that the Leader is going to be In Cap4, this was quite an interesting pitch, I wouldn't have minded this being the actual movie.
Marvel revealing the lamest possible Thunderbolts lineup a week after this video is so funny
Nando cooks a team with a really nice mix different abilities and personalities, and then Marvel comes out with
- Ghost
- Black Widow 2.0
- Hydra’s Captain America
- Russia’s Captain America
- America’s Captain America
- Someone who can copy any ability but mostly Captain America
For the record I love Bucky, and I generally liked Red Guardian and John Walker in their projects, but when 4/6 members of your super team are imitations of Captain America, YOU MAY BE DOING SOMETHING WRONG 🥶
@@JohnBGang a rumor went out saying that some of the members will be replaced
and one of them is the sentry
@@mekiherring2088 if we get Justin Hammer I am there Day 1
@@JohnBGangAlso,Don't forget bald wakandian black widows...who is even better than supersoldiers appearntly(they smoke heart shaped hearb regurely so its bound to be)
It's an interesting concept, I pretty much agree with the lineup and premise. Also, great addition with Luke Cage, wouldn't have initially thought of adding him in due to his more heroic side, but the more I think about it the more it works, he is a Hero for Hire after all, and he and Jessica could have Danielle at this point.
If I were to make changes to it I'd move Hammer from someone in the field to more of a behind the scenes sort of person, like rather than him being out with the team, he works with the Tinkerer to build stuff, but also helps fund different things, like he can pay off people to make the mission go easier or whatever.
I also like the addition of Creel, though IIRC he died in Agents of Shield Season 5 after being absorbed into Graviton, which happened shortly before the Snap (Season 5 literally has Thanos's invasion of Earth happening in the background for the last couple episodes) so he wouldn't really be available to use for this, if you want the "Metal Man" thing still (and honestly where I thought you were going), an argument could be made for it being Colossus who is working for the Winter Guard at this point in time as the X-Men haven't formed yet (perhaps have it explained that with the Avengers disbanded and the collapse of the Red Room and the Widow program the Russian government wanted to have their own Avengers that they controlled, and so they get Red Guardian back and have like Colossus and Ursa on the team and whoever else, maybe have it be useful for a sort of reunion between Yelena and Red Guardian, who last we knew she hasn't seen in 9 years since the end of Black Widow, perhaps another thing factoring into her potential face turn and joining the Young Avengers), and it would be a way to continue to get more Mutants into the MCU.
Aside from that though, I do think Abomination could be added to the team, sure Blonsky seems reformed, but there does seem to still be more going on with him that we don't yet know, at least to me there does.
You wrote Hammer so well I genuinely heard him
"Bucky would be too repetitive"
This aged badly
Well, after D23, some people could say that this aged like milk...
All I'd say is, while I'm content with what we're getting, I hope we get something as close to this as possible...
Glad I’m not the only one that thinks She Hulk has been crazy fun. Seems all I see about it is negativity.
Reminds me of John Byrne’s run, which I dig.
My ideal lineup (before watching the pitch), this is based on what we've seen in the MCU so far and closer to the Dark Avengers in concept but taking the Thunderbolts name:
U.S. Agent (from Falcon and the Winter Soldier)
Yelena Belova (from Black Widow and Hawkeye)
Justin Hammer (from Iron Man 2)
Abomination (from Hulk, Shang Chi, and She-Hulk)
Bullseye (from Daredevil)
Vision (from WandaVision)
Black Ant (a newly introduced character, Eric O'Grady) OR Atlas (also a newly introduced character, to make it closer to the original Thunderbolts lineup)
Moonstone (another newly introduced character, but it depends on The Marvels movie)
You really convinced me with adding Baron Zemo, Ghost, Atlas and/or Luke Cage.
Edit: after watching She-Hulk, Abomination might seem like a bad choice but I think Valentina can still pull some strings to recruit him. And I forgot to add Scorpion as a stand in for Spider-Man, it can be a nod to his debut in the comics when he was hired by J. Jonah Jameson but this time, it would be Valentina.
After looking at the D23 Thunderbolts lineup, lol it's definitely something.
Zemo HAS to be on the team imo
@@julianxamo7835 I didn't want to add Zemo at the time because I wanted each member to be a stand in for a member of the Avengers, and that was going to be U.S. Agent. But like I said, Nando convinced me otherwise.
@@marcusyee2211 I mean they just showed us that he isn't on the team apparently, so I guess I was wrong lol
Welp...
baron zemo isn’t on thunderbolts lineup apparently. (May still be in the movie someway)
And ‘the leader’ is going to be in captain America new world order.
So yea..
Its funny how nando thought the winter solider wouldn't make sense on the team. Yet now after seeing D23 we know he actually will be on the team.
A nice addition to the team would be bullseye played by Wilson Bethel
even a year later Justin Hammers part is pure perfection I love it.
I like the idea, especially the part where Hammer name everyone, that was so funny ahahhha, he could be the funny guy in this movie....
eventough the opening before "Thunderbolt" title look 2016 suicide squad-ish, but its okay the character that being recruited is different and not all of them are prisoners...
and I hoped the movie could be beginners friendly since there is a lot of characters you didn't familiar with (unless you are a marvel fans) like short introductions but got the idea of their arc/original. Their ability could be introduced along they way like the Eternals-type...
and the idea of creating bulk of hulks kind of along the way with Marvel's theme of bigger and space-oriented adventure-ish..
Close call with who is in the thunderbolts... well done!
Love to see Carl Creel back, Agents of SHIELD references go hard!
He died there tho
This is screamingly fun! Thanks for the great pitch!
You know, the one villain I'm missing in this line-up is Moonstone. She's a huge powerhouse and has been on the team pretty much since the start, but I guess she would be way too hard for a government agent to control. Maybe in a sequel.
I really wish this was the Thunderbolts story we were getting cause dang, swap Captain America: New Order, and this pitch and I feel like it could fit really well.
I don't think John Walker really had a redemption arc in Falcon and The Winter Soldier. Sam and Bucky were just able to minimize his carnage in that last fight. He was knocked down temporarily, and he wasn't given the satisfaction of killing Karli.
The Justin hammer part was hilarious loved 3very minute of it giving them silly names.🤣
From the future, and your team is infinitly better. We get 2 Assassins, 3 super Soldiers, and ghost. This is easily the least diverse team from a power/dynamic standpoint and is the least imaginative
Unfortunately, there was no gamma bomb experiment in the MCU. The experiment that created the Hulk was a super soldier experiment involving strapping Banner down to a chair.
Pitch a Midnight Sons movie and a reboot for the Inhumans as a movie
near the 15 minute mark and I'm totally invested in this
I think The Thunderbolts in the MCU are going to be more discrete and secret than the comics version and The Avengers due to the fact that the team is mostly super-soldiers and people the world doesn't even know exist like Ghost or Taskmaster. With the team being this way it's very unlikely that they'll need a "Hulk" or even flashy big-time super suits like The Avengers have. I really wanted Songbird on the team though :( Still excited for The Thunderbolts anyway!
These pitch videos are amazing. Can't wait for the next one
Now we need your thoughts on the actual line up we got
Tbh, I’m actually not really surprised by them with the exception of Bucky being there
The most surprising part is the absence of Zemo
@@riyadsaid8264 Yeah true. Although there’s a chance he might still play a decent role in the movie. That’s my prediction though
Captain Yemen. I've been seeing this character for 3 decades and never thought of that. *chef's kiss*
All in on whatever gets Allison Brie into the MCU
i like your idea way more than what Feige has cooking.