Why does Madame Web's dialogue sound so weird?
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Madame Web is, for better or worse, one of the most talked about movies of 2024. And one thing people can't stop talking about is Madame Web's bizarre use of ADR or Automatic Dialogue Replacement. I want to look at that a little deeper. Figure out what was changed, why, and try to piece together the original story.
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Show of hands, who actually watched Madame Web?
It's a shame you're not going to do any more movie rewrites because that's it that's why i am subscribe to this channel
New meaning to hands down.
Those ADR's didn't just ruin the already horrid lines and audio, they also ruined some scene shots because they had to either do extreme close up or distort the characters' faces with VFX to mask the fact that they changed the lines.
Unfortunately 😕
Respect for calling out cows milk as an unhealthy drink for cats. (it's also ineffective and not more healthy than just water for human adults)
A movie where the superheroes don’t even get into their costume because they’re saving it for a future movie is such a level of hubris
didn't they also reused a small scene from Sam Raimi's Spiderman at the end of the Madame Webb too?
The movie's called "Madam Web" _not_ "Madam Web and the Three Spider-People". For the character of Madam Web herself, this is a pretty standard super-hero origin story structure (where they usually don't appear in their final costume until late).
But broadly agreed, someone at Sony clearly thought "new franchise" rather than the more sensible (especially with their record) "Let's get the first one right then see what happens".
@@anonymes2884 The first Little Spiderperson built his house out of straw...
Your wording gave me a very welcome gigglefit. Thank you :)
Power rangers 2015
@@TheBigGSN5 Oh let's not pretend it's about the movies. These people don't give two shakes about what they make, they're out for money and nothing else.
The picture of mummy Web and Ezekiel was taken by a spider in the amazon, when it was researching humans, right before it died.
I’m creasing
underrated comment 😔😭
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Gold!
And gave birth to Spiders-Man.
If Tom Holland was in fact supposed to cameo in this movie at one point, it suddenly makes a lot more sense why Dakota Johnson and Sydney Sweeney both thought they were joining the MCU
Yeah, and then Tom Holland took that famous one-year hiatus from acting
@@bernardsoul5186I don’t think Tom was going to cameo in this. Mind you he could have since this takes place in early 2000s but it seemed like they was setting up for Toby to cameo but decided to ditch all of that and do something entirely in a different universe.
Who names their child dakota btw? Even the indians wouldn't do that, primarily because it's the name of a tribe? Did you name your child after the terrible states of N. and S. Dakota? That's almost worse.
@@salamantics I think it's definitely fallen out of favor now because of those reasons. But I have a sibling in their 30s named Dakota. Before the internet became popular many people just didn't know that stuff. My mom has said she didn't know about the tribe or anything about the Dakotas. She just thought the name was pretty.
@@bernardsoul5186 To be fair I agree that he needs the break dude was everywhere and being everywhere doesn't help people like it used to.
The thing that really struck me about this movie is that all the characters behave and talk like they were written by ChatGPT. Why do the girls dance on the table? They're not strippers, they're not portrayed as boy-crazy, and they were JUST talking about keeping a low profile so they don't get murdered. It's not even one of those dumb "because the movie needs it to happen" plot points, because some guy recognizes them anyway. And that's just one example. The movie is FULL of moments like this. Nobody who wrote this has ever interacted with a human.
Precisely like teen girls don’t act like this 💀
The movie was probably made by a bunch of no life office dwellers.
I thought the same thing. I couldn't put my finger on it, but it all just felt unnatural.
I wondered if it might have been written by AI, but then I decided it was just probably hacked up by the studio.
when i saw that scene it felt so unnatural i just cringed
if not chatgpt then definitely some middle aged woman trying to force in an "empowering" message about how teenage girls should be fearless or confident or whatever. that's the purpose of that scene, to give middle aged women a reason to post on social media how a scene of "girls having fun unapologetically" "healed their inner teenager" and made them cry or inspired them to drink male tears that day or whatever. it doesn't need to be realistic or logical because it's targeted to the sealclappers.
Uncle Ben was elected mayor at a very young age, and the failure of his rollerskate rink taught him: with great power comes great responsibility.
Ben Parker's Ice Town was the biggest failure I've ever seen.
Ice rink
Weird that it didn’t teach him that “if you take on great responsibility, great power will come”
😂
Uncle Ben teaching little Peter to play Cones of Dunshire
In her original vision underwater she sees a blue balloon that pops in an explosion of blood. I thought it was super weird and was never connected back to the story. If the original movie was suppose to be centered around saving Peter before he was born, then the balloon makes a lot of sense. The same blue balloons are at the baby shower.
That would make a LOT more sense tbh
In interviews, it seems clear Dakota Johnson thought she had signed onto the MCU. Then she got a film that outdid Catwoman on bonkers batshit badness.
Perhaps it's not as dumb as it sounds if Tom Holland was originally going to cameo.
At that point her agent failed her and there was likely some obfuscation on Sony's part?
Who even knows, though
@@caffetiel She fired her agent after this and went with another agency
@@caffetiel Remember when the director of Morbius got mad because Sony just randomly put graffiti of Tobey Macguire's Spider-Man in the trailer without telling him? This is definitely Sony's doing.
@@AJadedLizard Didn't hear about it but that sounds plausible.
You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the guy who was in the Amazon with my mom when she was researching spiders right before she died.
This comment is comic gold. Seriously, you should consider printing tee-shirts. 😂😂😂
Everything else aside a hero whose only plan ever is to crash vehicles into the villain is the greatest and I need a whole comic series about it
Honestly if they ramped (heh) that up, it would kinda work better.
- Pulled over because of the stolen taxi, and nothing she says ends well? Car crash!
- Need to move the Pepsi sign for the big moment? Car crash!
- Bird hits the window every time?
Hot wheels car crash!
Ghost rider if he was smart
Hitman ( but literally ) the movie coming soon
Seems like it should be a Nicholas Cage movie.
CarCrash-Girl would actually be amazing.
There's merit in the theory that the Peru trip was reshoots. The spider guy wasn't even dressed in the type of costume he was in in the beginning.
My favorite bit of nonsense in the movie is when the guy on the radio says that toxic by Britney Spears is definitely going to blow up, even though the movie is set in 2003 and the song didn’t come out until 2004. Incredible
He can also see the future
@@NandovMovies her web connects them ALL!!
What about the dude on the subway who has a PSP 3 years earlier than the time that Sony product was available to the public
@@josephgroeblinghoff4122 it's cause they cut his line. It was originally "New York is a whole new level of crazy these days. Giving out handheld consoles before they're released to the public."
@@NandovMovies this makes sense. I noticed he was still talking off screen. There's also concept art of everyone on that subway being handed a PSP. I guess they had to cut that plot point for time though
Fun fact, international viewers don’t even notice the bad ADR, bc they were busy reading subtitles. I have to point out to so many people that I thought it was me not the bad ADR.
Usually, yes. In this movie ADR lines sound so bad, both in acting and sound quality, that I would be harder not to spot them.
I wouldn't have noticed because that's the nature of dubs - the spoken not fitting the libs.
Though I didn't watch the movie in the cinema where I watch the dub. And if I watch movies at home I watch them in English. I also didn't watch it at home.
my soul still hurts every time I see the tribe of spider people who live in the jungle. Web-kanda
lol.
That was actually one of the few things I liked about Madame Web. It's not utilized well (nothing in this movie is), but it's an interesting concept.
It would also technically imply Peter's Spider-Man costume is culturally appropriating their dress
@@anoddencounter9277 Not if he's unaware of their existence, then it's just a coincidence.
@@crazypeopleonsunday7864 You're so naive.
Wow de-aging a computer generated image of someone based on someone's description from a dream they had, has AI gone too far?
in 2003 ai was too advanced so they had to nerf it so now it tells you to eat glue
The _line read_ on "I agreed to provide security for you because I thought you were close to finding the spider" is abysmal, it sounds like the actor was picking something out of his teeth mid-sentence
I honestly think that's like 3 different clips spliced together. I have no idea why they would do that but it sounds so weird, I feel like I can hear the cuts in between words.
I think it might be that the actor has a pretty thick mumbling French accent that maybe they wanted him to tone down in ADR but he couldn't keep it consistent (perhaps he recorded it remotely when in Europe for filming Napoleon and there wasn't an ADR director working with him at the time?) so they had to really mix and match his takes, happened with the actress for Ada Wong in Resident Evil Retribution and Paz de la Huerta in Nurse 3D who had such thick accents they actually had different actresses ADR all their lines in both movies
It sounded like a different person
😂
AI will solve the ADR vs Lip Sync issue, or even the whole human actors issue. There a are too many human errors invoveld in every movie.
It seems to me that Spiderman was in the original script to lure the actresses into doing the movie and thinking this was in the MCU! Then once they were onboard - Spiderman was removed and then the actresses realised they were trapped in a movie that's in its own cul-de-sac universe (not even the Venom and Morbius universe - which makes ZERO sense!).
So we know two things. Ezekiel can only die from falls out of windows, and signage falling on him. Getting crushed by taxis, ambulances, etc, no effect.
Windows and Pepsi. A very rich man can obviously only die by an even bigger company
@@HighFiveTheHorizon It's the way any metaphor for late-stage capitalism would want to go.
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I love that *that's* the way they decided he would die. Like, if there is one type of injury that Marvel Spider-people are completely immune to, it's falling from reasonably tall heights. Maybe it'd hurt a little, but their impact resistance is massive!
@@mikejeffries3333 It's still funny how they were going for a self-fulfilling prophecy, but then he got squashed, by a Pepsi sign none the less. The signs were all there, Pepsi was everywhere and he didn't see it.
I definitely agree the inital idea probably involved Mary and Unborn Peter being the target, with the girls and Cassie getting in the way. From your description of the plot it feels like they shouldn't even be there in the final version.
The funniest thing is taking the license plates off the cab as though there aren't other numbers on the cab to identify it as the stolen one
Police officer: I didn't know it was a stolen cab, but the missing license plate tipped me off that something was wrong.
@@jonjonr6 Random black person: *Walks by*
@@MrPiccolokuyour pfp says it all💀
they missed a chance to be like "and your mom wanted you to have this" and its a '65 corvette
Is so funny how these new movie writers say they don’t use comic book when writing for a hero movie but clearly you find out that all the do is change characters and plots with a different character from a different comic book so they can seem unique
And then they proceed to ruin the whole story they "stole" from because they just miss the point. lol
Let's check the math on this. The movie is set 21 years ago. Cassie would have been born 30+ years before that. So.... her mom is in a doctor's office in 1969 or something where this female doctor in 1969 can somehow diagnose a severe congenital illness months before a baby is born. Using technology from 1969. WHAAAT!?!?
They just kept setting it further back in time and forgot how recent advances in genome sequencing are RECENT inventions!
Lol, the double-helix structure of DNA was only discovered in like the 1950s. The fact that they were like “and here’s this DNA-result on your unborn baby” only 15-20 years after that and think it’s believable is WILD.
This is why I love discussions on [bad lol] films, because I neeeever would’ve noticed stuff like this ^^
@@deathnstuff fr!!
Lol exactly. The first rudimentary DNA sequencing wasn't invented till the late 70s
@@pl8710 This pile of plot points and the emphasis on 1995/2001 is why I think the thread they ultimately cut from the movie is time travel. Ezekiel made all his money and tech advances traveling back and forth to the future, he and Mommy Web used future tech to diagnose and find a solution for Cassie's in-utero illness, and you get 3 places at once because she comes back from 3 different points in the future. That could also explain his inconsistent amount of grey hair, because he's different versions of himself from different points in the timeline.
1:20 No. You misinterpreted who was saying the dialogue. It was clearly the spider. 🕷️🕸️
Spiders can't enunciate human voice sounds so bo
@@westerling8436 yes they can i have a pet spider and it straight up talks sometimes. perfect replica of my voice
@@elias-ng3di probably psychosis
@@westerling8436 these ones can
My favorite running gag is that she simply cannot open a can of soda.
Probably just as well, given how much she shakes it around first.
@@YlyrraThis is almost a Curb Your Enthusiasm reference to Michael J. Fox😂
I mean, you can't open a can in the take, otherwise any retakes will need new cans.
@@doylerudolph7965 true, but it makes the blatant product placement that much funnier
@@doylerudolph7965 Sure, a 24-pack of cans delivered by your sponsor is gonna break the bank on a big studio movie budget. I mean maybe they need 48, double the cost!!!!
37:14 Is that ACTUALLY from the movie?! Did that seriously make it through to the final showing?!!?! Those missing audio but they kept the shots of her speaking.
I'm...I'm actually speechless... If I was the studio executive, I'd fire every person that worked in editing. That's completely unacceptable even for a high school drama project. The fact a big studio let that slide is mind-blowing.
So... other way around actually! I'm positive nobody editing wanted to do that, and it was the studio executive providing braindead notes and impossible requests, demanding that change.
Please don't fire talented editors and VFX artists who all wanted something better!
"I'm actually speechless"
So was her.
The “I don’t have a neuromuscular disorder” line is giving the Key and Peele celebrity guessing sketch when Peele says “I’m not a Latin pop star” iykyk
A+ reference
"I wrote that one, too."
Oh... Ricky Martin...
She bangs
Imagine a movie that used ADR to represent auditory hallucinations or impostors or somesuch like.
clever!
berberian sound studio doesnt do this exactly but it is a decent horror flick that is almostly exclusively scary due to its use of sound and auditory tricks, it also plays with the minds of its protagonist and the audience so i would recommend if youre interested in this concept!
Only a misunderstood Genius or a complete Lunatic would spend so much time and energy analyzing "Madame Web" of all films.....You have my respect
He's fueled by Baja Blast.
You can be both
@@p0Rptrue
I understand it. That search for meaning in the face of bad storytelling
There's only one other cinema related job that would be worse than pouring over Madam Web, being the editors having to make it "theater ready".
Let's just take a moment to think about how all edits of this script had a single spider that lives for over 30 years.
I can’t even
Can we pause a moment and pour one out for Charlotte and Wilbur?
So nice of Ezekiel to jump into that ambulance flying through the air for absolutely no reason at all.
This movie reminds me of the line I heard not that long ago, "Writers in Hollywood know two things: producers can't write, and all producers think they're writers."
Hey Nando I just wanted to let you know that when Madam Web started production, the rumoured plot (from many sources) was that it was going to be a Terminator esque time travel movie where Ezekiel goes back in time to prevent Peter Parker from being born because Spiderman kills him, and Madam Web has to stop him from doing that. Then when the reshoots were happening, sources came out and said that spider-man had been completely removed from the film and all references to him had been cut. So if these rumors are to be believed, then your theory has pretty much got it right on the money.
I just know all this stuff because following movie productions is pretty interesting to me and if you want me to provide sources then i would happily oblige it would just take a bit of time.
If I remember correctly the rumors of the plot change happened after the success of No Way Home which never made sense to me. It was around the same time that the rumors of Andrew Garfield getting another shot at Spider-Man were coming out
Why did they remove Spiderman?
@@TheReal_Pim_Tool Marvel probably asked them not to as they would damage the brand with their awful attempts
Shh. Don't reveal your secrets. They'll be on to you....
@@TheReal_Pim_Tool Tobey wasn't going to be in it, Andrew said no, and no way was Disney going to let them have Tom all to themselves.
"This cat probably eats cigarette butts and Metrocards."
"A picture of Mommy Web taking a picture."
I'm not even 10 mins in and I'm dying with laughter 😂😂
Last year I got the flu. I spent five days on the floor in rolling delirium, convinced there was a mystical pose you could adopt which cured all ills, but only people with the flu could learn it, and I just couldn't find the strength to pose.
This year I got the flu and watched this video. I lay in bed passing in and out of consciousness, convinced there were secret clues in this video which unlocked new scenes I hallucinated, and would reveal Madame Web's true status as a masterpiece.
Thanks for the video, best way to watch imo
i have never had such intense delusions when sick with the flu. are you taking any meds that would do that?? lol crazy
Used to get the flu like that before taking up the annual vaccine (the convincer was that time it went to my chest and I felt fairly sure I was going to drown in my own body fluids :).
(for a long time I assumed people were being sarcastic when they said "It was just the flu")
@@soupstoreclothingI had a mystery illness for a week straight and I had fever hallucinations while watching inuyasha. Brains are weird
@@rue6914 Anytime I get sick like that I can't watch movies or anything because I forever associate that illness with whatever I am watching at the time.
I wouldn't call it delirium, but a few months ago I got the Flu and whilst laying in bed, I was convinced that sleeping in a certain position would cure me. I never found the perfect position but I was certain I had to face to my right.
I’m not normally into superhero / comic book stuff, but your deconstruction of Madam Webs ADR was genuinely such a treat to watch. I hope you know you’ve got something really special with this channel.
Wait. So Ezekiel was in the Amazon, 30 years previously. So how old was he in 2003? Sixty plus? And his vision? Eighty plus?
Anti aging spider powers??
A wizard did it.
i thought the spider kept u young or something
In the comics he definitely was old.
sadly, they had to cut the line about the spider's moisturizing agent
This kind of archaeology of media is so interesting to me. The people that have the answer are alive but may not want it known, but you can never tie up every loose thread.
We as an audience have the chance to troll Sony into doing another Morbius by demanding a "Snyder Cut" of Madame Web. Get them to try to re-edit something closer to the original story (and have to spend some money to get it done), then release it (maybe on Paramount+ when Sony buys it?) and have a flop all over again, again.
Release the Spider-Cut
If any studio is dumb enough to fall for it twice, it's Sony.
How do we make this happen?!
TH-cam algorithm fed me your video and I just needed to tell you how much I appreciated the insane amount of work you put into this video. It was extremely entertaining in a very specific way that really resonated with me. Actually trying to piece together the original story from a mess of a final cut is always something I found interesting and never before saw anyone attempt it. Keep it up man, I'll keep watching.
He dies. Sad. Pepsi.
i laughed HARD
That line was fantastic 😂😂
I love those little Marvel touches
Bepis
Ok why doesn't literally ANY writer's room hire you...this is my first video of yours I've watched and I'm so impressed with how you unpacked everything and put it back together.
"very sad. Pepsi." got a big laugh from me
"who took this picture? No idea" even bigger laugh from me
"Cassie watches A Christmas Carol. Not the Muppets version, because clearly she is suffering from brain damage."
Man, I love you, Nando.
From what I gather, the attempt in this video to piece together the original plot misses one important thing: the three spider girls weren’t originally in the film. It was only supposed to be Madame Web, uncle Ben and Mary pregnant with Peter. Ezekiel would only be interested in preventing the birth of Spider-Man, so he wouldn’t be killed by him later. That’s also why the whole “take a trip to learn to be in three places at once” plot seems so weird. Without the three girls in the movie, she wouldn’t need that move. And I bet the post credit scene would be the spider living in New York until Peter grew up and then got bitten by it.
I agree, I think the three girls are completely unnecessary. This could be a movie centered only on newborn spider-man and madame webb.
That theory sounds most plausible. It would be a way for Spider-Man to be in the movie without really "being in it".
Makes sense. It does sound and look like they were given about 30 minutes to learn their roles
Maybe the villain was originally speaking like an old-timey british prospector, then they chose not to go into that direction.
They need to release that Bat Girl movie. It cannot have been worse than Madame Web.
They released Flash, and Velma.
It could have been.
That’s never gonna happen since WB wiped every copy from their servers.
Not even the directors ever got to watch the final movie.
They can't write it off as a tax loss if they release it.
@@solvseusflash is not that bad man.
@@AdityaWaghmare They didn't erase the movie, and you clearly don't know how a server works. They deleted the footage that the directors had access to. In interviews they pretty much make it clear that the footage still exists because they were saying it can't ever be released in its current state since there are no VFX and it is very rough and they need the support of the studio to do so.
I love how the guy who calls the cops in the diner is reading a newspaper article about the "kidnapped girls" about 2 hours after the girls left the subway.
Madame Web and Artemis Fowl need to have an ADR battle
Throw in Val Kilmer in The Snowman while you're at it
ADR Detective Nando is my favorite Nando.
Don't forget RDJ's dolittle
... i didnt notice bad adr in artemis fowl
@@LynnHermione so, there’s a theory that the entire plot of the movie is adr. Everything about the magic item the fairies be artemis are after was added after the movie finished filming. I think Nando did a video about that too.
Speaking as a stray cat, I can take or leave the metro cards, but the cigarette butts are to die for!
That first ADR from the clip sounded like two different ADR readings that were spliced together. That's some next level bad ADR. I'm only a minute and ten seconds into this video, and I'm already having to brace myself for a descent into ADR madness.
AED is a type of Defibrillator, specifically designed to assist with CPR. It allows people with minimum training to deliver a helpful shock, after the machine analyzes if the patient needs it. In addition, the pads are just on the patient before it does anything, so you don't have to do the whole defibrillator process. Oh, and it offers a metronome effect so you can do CPR better.
And when do you learn about how to use it? CPR classes. So yeah, that part makes sense.
Every line feels like the actor was given no context and was told it 10 seconds before they started recording
Right. There’s no life behind it. The lines are so flat, especially Ezekiel’s.
8:23 they shot one scene with her in the Amazon where she is taking pictures of a web, so that's the picture Cassie has. Also feels like they think the audience has the intelligence of the Blues Clues target audience: "this is her mother from the beginning, remember? If not, here's a clue: she was the one holding the camera!"
fun nitpicks (not unlike Nando's podcast, Mostly Nitpicking) you missed if you hadn't heard the Madame Web pod:
1) Mattie mentions an "uncle" who works in "media". well obviously she's J. Jonah Jameson's niece and her being attacked by a spider-person is why Jameson has a burning hatred for spider-man.
2) The Peruvian spider tribesmen had to somehow bring baby Cassandra Webb all the way to the US and get her documented as a US citizen in the foster care system. Would have like to see that movie.
There was a whole team of people in the Amazon with her mom while she was researching spiders before she died, Sims only killed a few onscreen.
Mattie mentions Jonah by name during the taxi ride to the woods.
ah I assumed the tribes people just cared for her until people came looking for the researchers and then she was taken back
This and other video essays on this channel make me wish studios would just release a hundred hours of unedited footage so fans could re-edit as they wish. I would love to see the Nando cut of lots of movies.
They shipped her back to the US using Amazon Prime. (Credit to Ryan George on that one.)
I have not seen Madame Webb, but it sounds like a Sergio Leone spaghetti Western where every actor of the cast spoke their native tongue and it was dubbed in after
I was thinking vintage kung-fun movies…
Never saw this movie-- but jesus, the woman saying the password is the most egregious example. I wouldn't believe it if I wasn't seeing it.
You can tell the Pepsi can designs were changed in post to in order to change the setting of the film to after 1997 when the cans became blue (...In an attempt to tie it to Tom Holland's Peter, rather than Garfield's). It's very visible when shes holding one at that outdoor party/barbecue/whatever it is.
Funnily enough the uncanny-valleyness of it is reminiscent of when Pepsi used Mountain Dew ads to advertise Pepsi Max in the UK during the 90s, with 90s CG being used to cover up the MD cans in favour of Pepsi ones.
"GET ME DIALOGUE ABOUT SPIDER MAN!" JJ Jameson.
The bird wouldn't have flown into the window with Cassie standing there. The bird not seeing something blocking the path would fly into the window because it can't see the glass. But if Cassie is standing there it CAN SEE HER so it would not fly toward her. Birds don't just fly to humans in windows.
All the ADR was added to make Ezekiel sound more like a villain. When, the script seems to just paint hom morally ambiguous. Like there was a bigger villain then him, but was cut earlier in the process.
Or just that he was originally a more relatable "villain", which is very much the MCU playbook, so that tracks with his thesis that this may have started out much more MCU integrated.
You glossed over something pretty significant... having not seen the movie, I have no idea how Cassie gets to New York. Everyone on her mom's team is killed, she's born in Peru, she's left with some jungle-dwelling tribe of spider-people... so uh. Why is she a paramedic in New York? How did she get back? Who raised her? She has all these things left by her mom, but who are the parents she's always known? Assuming she wasn't raised by Peruvian jungle people, and ended up in America when she was still a baby... how did she find them again in Peru? Did she have visions, and you just didn't think it worth mentioning?
"When an actor's lips are not moving, there should not be words happening (unless they are a telepath or something)." -indeed! It is not that hard. mind-blowing that this movie opened like that
Crop the video slightly and have the lineread not be so ... weird, and people wouldnt notice. It requires such little effort and yet they couldnt do it
@@laurendearnley9595 Can't spend another 10$ on an editor, they already spent millions on actors alone
@8:13 "It probably usually eats cigarette butts and Metro cards" made me laugh so much I subscribed.
My only thing Nando that I want to mention so others don't, if someone has no heartbeat then you would do chest compressions. You don't do chest compressions on someone with a beating heart. It'd be incorrect if they use a defib on someone without a heartbeat as so many films do.
Ahhhh I screwed it up
@@NandovMovies Doesn't youtube allow the replacement of some parts of the audio? ADR time baybeee
@@EnanoPancracio yeah I just edited it out. Although it might take a second to show up.
Username checks out.
you do chest compressions if someone has a beating heart but isnt breathing. It has the dual function of manually pumping their heart and removing obstructions such as water.
I’m a dialogue editor who has worked on plenty of bad movies. Sometimes it is absurd the amount of additional dialogue I am required to jam into shots where the actors’ mouths are out of sight. Sometimes even when the mouth is on screen, the production still insists on inserting a completely different line that doesn't match the lip movement.
Love the adr “thank you” at the end
Chef’s kiss
How is this comment not liked more?
I'm looking through the comments and can't find a thread on the guesses on what he actually said. My guess is "get it the f--- together."
12:32 - Fun fact: most of the Amazon Rainforest is in Brazil, but *every movie and series* depicts it in Peru. Don't do that! Much respect, and Please Come to Brazil.
Two Nando videos in two days… the sacred timeline.
When you have literally read thousands of comics and it still seams a bit convoluted and confusing I don't think the general public has much chance of keeping up. Ezekiel is a great character in the Spidey books.
We are now dealing with Variant Nando
It ain’t but the videos are cool
This ten-minute recap is fantastic.
Cassie also returned from Peru and returned to Ben's house in the same stolen cab she apparently kept and hid for a week.
Presumably parked at the same airport that doesn't have cameras or require passport check-in to travel so a beat-up stolen car going unnoticed for a week does at least track.
I think you summed it up at 9:55 with "Very sad, Pepsi."
I thought for sure that this version of Ezekiel was actually going to be Morlun, a character who hunts Spider-Totems and consumes their energy like a vampire.
It would make more sense but he's supposed to be a bigger threat
@@sailordaigurren8225 Morlun could've been in this movie to set up a Spider-Geddon movie that brought the live-action Spider-Men together with the Spider-Verse characters, but Sony was like "Nah".
THAT'S who i was thinking of.
Yeah.
honestly, given his beleif that Ezeial might've been kaine, morlun makes way more sense and if true makes you wodner why they changed the villain to a ddude who was an ALLY
@@sarafontanini7051 I don't think they care about comic accuracy.
I like your style of reviewing. Getting to the root of the issues without just dunking on a movie but explaining exactly what went wrong.
"kravens half brother, chameleon" made me realize the kraven movie might have kravens brother is probably gonna turn into a chameleon/human hybrid
#IBlameAviArad
I'm counting on that given they made Rhino a cross-species mutation.
“You wanna know why they call me the Chameleon?”
I was only focused on them likely fusing him with Foreigner (other Spider-Man villain who can disguise as others and says "he uses his connection to animals to track his prey" in the trailer)
Betting a million dollars it will open with scientists in the jungle no matter what. Why do they keep ripping off the first suicide squad's opening? who knows, I hope they keep doing it for literally every movie going forward though.
Also it’s wild that on top of the egregious product placements, the main villain of the movie also died via product placement by having a Pepsi sign drop on him.
This is the kind of unhinged analysis I can get behind
"Her boss dies in an accident. Very sad. Pepsi." 😂😂😂
You mentioning that one comic with all of the female spider people made me so sad that Sony is this incompetent
They could have literally just made a film version of that comic and led it straight into the Kraven story coming up next. Very weird choice not to do that if they were already going to use so much of the same idea.
It was a great story too, one of the best things to come out of the "Brand New Day" run
@@yuvi3000 They don't care about any of that.
She stole and kept that cab for a week without any issues.
I still think your rewrites were your best works, and this might be the best since you stopped doing those. Thought provoking and insightful, I respect the amount of work you put into gathering all the data!
33:55 Just thought I'd throw this out there in relation to whatever time this movie was supposed to take place in - I dunno if it makes any difference, but I thought it was interesting: In the movie, there's someone playing on a PSP (it's a Sony project, so yeah) but the PSP wasn't released until 2004/2005. The anachronism could be easily explained as Sony just wanting to drop some nostalgia or reference for its own sake. Either way, I thought it was worth pointing out.
Totally off topic but I recently learned this about the 007 series: Most (if not all) of the classic Bond girls from 1962 through the late seventies or eighties had their voices dubbed over by *the same person*, who went uncredited for her work. Again, super off topic, but such a random and wild fact lol
I saw that video, too 😅
The Bond movies had sooo many characters ADR’d, not just bond girls. It’s bizarre watching them now
As a professional editor, I find your breakdowns of these ADR disasters riveting. I've rewatched your Artemis Fowl video several times. These really are excellent works of journalism you're doing here, and you should be proud.
If Nando pretty correctly pieced together what the original version of Madam Web was supposed to be, it sounds... not really that bad?
I certainly would've picked it up on digital to watch.
They really would have benefitted from leaning into Kaine's comedic side (as in the Texas comics) in the theoretical Kaine Does Vegas scene and throughout. In some other universe, that's a scene as iconic as the Raimi Spiderman 1 new powers montage, and so is Madam's repeated use of cars to flatten Kaine.
Just to clarify, an AED is very different from the defibrillators you see in hospitals. An AED is automated. It's made for people who have no idea how to use a normal defibrillator, so that anyone can use it. It talks to you. It explains every step, how to check if someone is breathing, where to place the the electrodes and how to revive someone. It even checks if a shock is needed before it shocks, so it can be used safely even if you don't know if someone is having a heart attack or something different.
The thing that nobody seems to talk about is when that her friend/coworker dies in the ambulance crash, the truck that hit them is driving directly intothe river. In addition to that, the ambulance was driving straight where there is no road. You get two different angles that show this. Also that truck was not going nearly as fast as it seems.
Your rewrite alone makes this totally worth the watch. 😊
It’s fits. Some of the actors bragged on social media about being hired into the MCU. They may have been, and then Sony and Disney changed their minds.
They could also just be dumb. They were hired to be a group of hot chicks and nothing else
Sydney sweeney i think is pretty smart. That's a bit of a sexist comment lol @@Dan55888
@@Dan55888 boooooo bad take
@@shayenecabral4726 it's a correct take
@@Superabound2 not really, ignorant at best, misogynistic at worst
This is the first of your videos I’ve seen. You do a great job and come across as open-minded, knowledgeable and appealing.
It’s so weird to think that you probably have watched this movie more than anyone else other than maybe the editors
I wouldn’t go that far with the amount of editing this movie had with reshoots and adr 😭
Step 1: Steal spiders
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit
No, no, no. We all missed it. The cat in Cassandra's apartment was Spider-man all along.
You're right!
I was thinking about the diet of milk and cigarette buds and the location of the cat and naturally concluded that the cat is probably radioactive, has super powers, and knows kung fu. And that can only mean one thing, and that the cat is Spiderman, so that is two things, but I forgot the other thing, I'm sorry.
It all adds up - one and one is two.
See?! Two! I told you something is two!
Just pointing out for fun, the red coat Madam Webb is actually Julia Carpenter who Sydney Sweeny was sort of playing in this film.
The sequel to the Artemis Fowl video I've been waiting years for
The Grim Hunt connection is VERY fascinating considering this was supposed to be a part of Sony universe, and we have a Kraven the Hunter movie coming up.
This is the best piece of investigative journalism I've come across in years. Thank you for your service. Pulitzer impending.
Haunted Mansion 2023 had TONS of this weird ADR stuff as well. It was so incredibly jarring.
"My mom was in the Amazon researching spiders before she died."
- that's all I needed to hear.
9:54-9:57 I enjoyed the blunt matter of fact way Nando said, 'an accident Cassie foresaw, Pepsi.' Perfect delivery by Nando. This movie should give every upstart screenwriter and director hope. Even if they are terrible upon getting declined by every studio 'Well Madame Web exists, if that can get made and given wide release I deserve a shot. I can legitimately do better.
that sad part about that is, or i guess the glass half full perspective, is that anyone that cares could probably make a better movie. the problem is that these are the people with the wealth and the power to succeed even if they fail. the movie bombed but all of these people involved still have jobs and wealth and power. they will go on to make more movies, some of them probably really bad. the screenwriter who could make a better movie will likely never have the opportunity because the systems that exist place a barrier to entry. not anyone can make a bad marvel movie. only sony can do that. and only people hired by sony can have the opportunity to make a better movie. and there are all these barriers to getting hired by sony. idk i guess i just am not heartened by this sentiment. yes there are plenty of people who can make better movies but they will never get the chance.
I heard everything you said during the movie. I just couldn't put my finger on it.
Well done!