When all you have is a Hammer - Changing Iron Man 2
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Is Iron Man 2 perfect? No. But it has a solid foundation. And maybe, just maybe, you could remove just one character and get a far more satisfying story.
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Out of curiosity why not use the Detroit Steel Armor instead of Titanium Man?
She's an OK character, not my favorite from the MCU
@@InverseAgonist Oh, I am just familiar with the Detroit Steel Armor from Marvel Comics, the one that looks like a gundum mech which apparently has connections to Justin Hammer. But I have no idea who has piloted it besides presumably Justin Hammer so, I have no idea who the character your talking about is.
I can't believe Thanos' least favorite daughter is your ex-wife
That Rach 3 reference makes me so happy, haha
Nando: “Once you get rid of Whiplash the movie gets better. We get more Justin Hammer.”
Everyone: [justin hammer dancing]
To be fair most movies would be better with more Sam Rockwell
@@faron4685 Agreed. Hammer is my favorite character in the movie, even while cringing. Actually, especially while cringing.
If Sam Rockwell doesn't come back and lead the Thunderbolts in the next phase, I don't want to be alive anymore. He needs to be Titanium Man.
I just need my justin hammer pants
I liked the dynamic of both, weird to compare them. ones the resource but timid. the other is lacking but motivated.
This sentence just popped into my head when you talked about Hammer's line about destroying a legacy.
"It's not about killing the man. It's about making sure nobody shows up to the funeral."
Room full of claps. 6 ft apart.
@@tripttwe *bows, 6 feet apart*
@@Double-R-Nothing lol nice
That's an awesome line that needs to be in a movie
is that quote yours or one you saw somewhere?
Everyone’s goal in life should be to find someone who loves you more than Nando loves Justin Hammer.
He is completely elegant and bafflingly beautiful.
Nando v Movies that’s fair. It also helps that he’s played by the legend Sam Rockwell. Love your videos btw. I watch them all the time.
I prefer to have realistic goals
That'd be like telling us to find something that can travel faster than light. It's scientifically impossible to find someone who loves you more than Nando loves Justin Hammer.
As much will also do
As a stand-alone movie, this would be an improvement over the Iron Man 2 we got. But my concern here is that we're basically getting another disgruntled businessman in a bigger suit in a straight firefight finale. In short, a retread of Iron Man 1 (and Incredible Hulk and Ant-Man and Iron Man 3).
I really liked where you were going at the beginning of the video, about Tony being the weakness that's holding back Iron Man. Let Tony lose to the Hammer drones, let Rhodey be the one to bail him out somehow. hit the palladium poisoning metaphor even harder. Use that to plant the seeds for Tony's suit addiction in IM3 and eventually Ultron. In other words, let Justin Hammer be right.
Exactly, i really excited for the first 20 minutes of the video but that third act fight just seemed like the exact one from the original Iron Man 2 with just a couple of minor changes, plus i wouldn't take Justin Hammer to be a guy in the suit type of character.
Yeah, putting Justin Hammer into a suit just sounds really weird. Before Tony got into a real fight, he was just sitting on the sidelines profiting, not unlike Justin Hammer. Makes more sense to me for Justin Hammer to be controlling the drones from a computer screen and playing it like a piano, and just loving it. Hammer's also controlling War Machine through the computer. Then Hammer stumbles something or whatever, and one of the drone's own missile attacks damages/destroys the computer. Rhodes regains his suit, but the drones are now uncontrolled and executing the final order of just blasting everything around them. Rhodes and Tony defeat the last of the drones, capture Hammer.
Alternatively, we can turn Rhodey into the antagonist for the final battle. Instead of having him trap in the suit, Hammer convinces him to go against Tony
My question with the drones and Justin Hammer showing up in a suit, is why he had to steal the Mark 2 anyway, if he already this this kind of tech? I guess it was still just a "ruin Stark's image" play.
Yes, this is much better
"Mickey Rourke even brought the bird" is the best fun fact I now know
he vant his bord
Sw yx DIS EEZ NAWT MY BORD
best bird fact*
Mickey’s bord be like: *bord-bord I am his*
Fun fact: Sam Rockwell dances in every movie he's in. It must be part of his contract or something!
“Alright Sam, we’ll pay you whatever you want, you’ll get any benefits you want. We just need you in our movie.”
“Do I get to dance?”
“No.”
“Then no deal.”
Kind of like the Owen Wilson and his laugh
does he dance in see how they run? I'm trying to remember
@@ghostmangm3059 wow
He doesnt dance in Vice.
I have a fun addition to make to this. Instead of just having a guy doing an impression of Tony Stark, we have Tony make a line of Iron Man toys that talk with his voice. Hammer, can then use the toys to perfectly synthesize Tony voice because of movie magic. This way Hammer is able to use Tony's own decadence and narcissism to bring him down.
Yes please
We do have that technology btw, no need for movie magic
@@Multi-Waves_Music We do... to an extent. Voice-mimicking technology can't really mimic inflections. IRL you'd have a almost-Tony voice that spoke in a tone that was somewhere between flat and natural.
@@davidliu4134 true
Because Tony would be so vain as to absolutely use his own voice print. Too late for Iron Man 2, but I do know of a certain Latverian despot who would also be that vain ...... maybe a crate of Doom Bobbleheads could be sent to Ben by The Yancy Street Gang in Act One, and they re-appear in Act Three? C'mon, Fiege, let's get to work!!
I enjoy the idea of Hammer being the sole villain in Iron Man 2, but the second half of the movie you outlined is even more similar to the second half of Iron Man than the original Iron Man 2 script was. You literally put another evil weapons dealer in a big Iron Man suit.
Hammer is so under rated in this movie. Would love for him to come back for dark avengers or something
Oof, that'd be awesome
With Tony Stark dead, it'd be like Christmas for Justin, to just come in and start grabbing up Tony's former customers.
@@clarkside4493 I mean, it's not like that hasn't happened for him already. He probably threw a party when he found out Stark stopped producing weapons.
Also, assuming he survived the real Mandarins attack on the Seagate prison... he is probably still stuck there.
He always seemed like someone who would show up in AOS, but maybe the actor is too expensive for that.
Armor Wars
Does no one know that Justin hammer pilots titanium man in the show “Iron man: Armored Adventures”?
Nah. Because no one watched that terrible cartoon. Lol. The minute they made Tony Stark a teenage iron man, everyone said "PASSS!!" But kids under 10 ate it up.
unigenius once you get over the admittedly strange choice to make tony a teenager, the show isn’t bad, and has some of the greatest meme potential I’ve ever seen. In one scene, Hammer kills mr. fixx, and when one of his goons says “ you just killed him in cold blood” Hammer replies “technically, yes, but more technically, no”, and for some reason I just think that’s a better version of the “ well yes, but actually no” meme
Coleman Bubar you’re right, it was a great show. Kinda sad they took it off air. It was great!
Also the the poison killing tony as a metaphor for alcohol could be like extremis from IM:AA
@@jaredneves2956 I didn't watch iron man 3, but wasn't that meant to be extremis?
Imagine Shang Chi ends with the Mandarin being a fake, and set up by Justin Hammer. 🤦🏾♂️😂
This is actually the lyric John Lennon edited out of Imagine because it was too perfect.
Thwip Kid so you want a ironman 3 rewrite?
SR Striker of course
Thwip Kid that Ben Kingsley is playing the real mandarin not Trevor Slattery?
SR Striker no it’s just a joke
The next change is: take out Aldrich Killian and replace him with Justin Hammer in Iron Man 3. Please do that Nando.
Maaaaaybeee?
In the end Tony, I was always inevitable (fails to snap gauntlet)
Infinity War: Thor swings Stormbreaker into Thanos's chest.
Thor: "I told you... you'd die for that"
Thanos begins to split apart revealing Justin Hammer in a Thanos Iron man suit.
Justin: "Heh Heh, you should have gone for the head"
"snaps fingers as he dances away"
Replace Thanos with Justin Hammer
Replace every single villain in the MCU with Justin Hammer.
P.S.A: If you experience Hammer Time, you will probably suffer whiplash.
I’ll see myself out
Bad bum tss
No. Please stay.
No no no... stay...!
Hammer, release some pressure.
Nando really hit the nail on the head about Justin Hammer.
Lol
why do I see you comment on around 2/3 of all the videos I watch
Do you share accounts or something so your able to be everywhere if so what’s your notification like
Its just crazy how underrated Justin Hammer is! top 5 MCU villains for sure and people just look the man over.
I think it's because he's so inadvertently terrible at being a villain, since he can't control what he thinks is his minion. I love Hammer, he's my favorite character in IM2. But he's kind of the opposite of a traditional villain and I think people don't know how to process that. I'd love to see him return to the MCU in some capacity.
Ivan's foil to Tony is that Anton had as much claim to the arc reactor as Howard but was ousted and forces into poverty while the Starks lived a lush life in wealth. Tony grew up with everything he could want and Ivan seems to have grown up with next to nothing. Iron Man 2 is a story about the sins of the father. Howard's mistakes coming back to haunt Tony in the form of his dark mirror. A man who is reserved and quite where Tony is boisterous and chatty, who has to sneak around while Tony uses his privilege to go wherever he pleases.
Hammer is also a foil to Tony but in a different way, Hammer is Tony's past self before Iron Man 1. He's a cocky showman arms dealer.
Yeah, but that's really more of a relationship between Hoawrd and Anton than Tony and Ivan. Ivan still doesn't really know Tony himself all that well, so they haven't had too much time to build a rapport.
@@erubin100 I see your point and something I always thought would have made Iron Man 2 better is if Tony and Ivan were friends as kids before Howard ousted Anton. It wouldn't be hard to have a scene in the beginning with younger Tony and Ivan playing together in an office at Stark industries while Howard and Anton are yelling in another room that ends with Anton pulling a confused Ivan away from an equally confused Tony and out of the room. It would help make the anger more realistic. Ivan had a lot of potential as a villain but they squandered it a bit by not giving him more of a connection to Tony.
@@LuxInfinita That definitely would've improved things.
That doesn't resolve the initial problem of there being too many villains in one movie. I agree that Ivan would be a great foil in another way than hammer, but the both of them being in the same movie is way too much.
@@clayxros576 then just have Hammer be a comic relief side character. He's way more comic relief than villain anyway.
me still patiently waiting for Justin hammer to show up in the mcu agin
babykylec and maybe he will take Norman Osborn place
His tech comes up in luke cage
Pretty likely actually. Sam Rockwell has said that he's enthusiastically down for it, and there's a pretty well-supported rumor that Marvel is looking at a Thunderbolts movie which would include Hammer as one of the team members (alongside Abomination, Ghost, Thunderbolt Ross, um a few others I forget maybe Zemo, Leader as the villain).
@@davidbjacobs3598 I almost forgot Abomination was in the MCU.
Just in case your unaware he does make a brief cameo in Marvel's All Hail the King One Shot in the credits XD
"What the kids call 'stanning' Justin Hammer"
LOL
Also some great dialogue writing
Fun Fact: in the comics, Whiplash'S identity is Markus Scarlotti, who makes an appearance in an episode of Agents of Shield, where he fights agent may with a knife whip (yes really).
Ah, yes, I remember Scarlotti.
Here I thought I was the only person who still watched that show.
About Vanko's plan, I'm pretty sure his plan didn't necessitate Tony being one of the racers, that was just a happy coincidence. His plan was just to goad Tony into a fight for the world to see to show the world Tony's not unique nor invincible. He went on the track rather than attack Tony in the restaurant because all the cameras were focused on the track since the race was a big televised event.
I saw it as Vanko trying to draw Stark out onto the track; Tony being there just made it a little quicker.
I saw the intro twist coming a mile away and I still loved every second of it
You miss out on the real reason Vanko is there. The first movie was Tony overcoming the past (metaphorically by no longer making weapons and then literally by beating Obadiah). This movie is about becoming reconciled to the consequences of that (the palladium poisoning, having his dad tell him he loved him, and Vanko). I get why Vanko is a bad foil to Tony and I get why he confuses the plot and doesn't add much to it. But that's a problem with the way he was written. You still need him (or something like him) to tie into the main theme of Iron Man II, which is Tony becoming fully comfortable within the Iron Man persona and taking responsibility (e.g. overcoming his alcoholism and party-boy shenanigans) for Iron Man/His Father's Legacy/Superherodom.
Honestly most of his idea could stay the same, have the intro with Vanko, have him come to America to speak to hammer after seeing the Congressional hearing televised. They make their own suits together, then the rest of nandos concept remains the same, they capture Rhodes, use the suit to make Tony look evil. Then instead of hammer being the final boss, it's Vanko with the same suit. Develop Vanko better, add a few scenes of him making the suits. If you cut out the Vanko attacking Tony at the start you drop a tonne of unnecessary stuff.
You don't need Vanko to make Tony change, he could see the problems in his previous lifestyle by making Hammer a reflection of Tony's errors.
MrZemme I feel as though Hammer is a representation of his consequences as opposed to it being more of a paternal consequence it could be about how Tony leaving the weapons market has led to more dangerous people, and him not taking responsibility for their actions reflects on his ego. The first movie being more about Tony’s self and the second being about Tony realizing he needs to prevent others from BECOMING him, plus I think that angle plays better into Tony’s feelings in Age Of Ultron after the first Avengers it could turn his feelings to 11 on how he feels he’s responsible for EVERY person, along with the PTSD plot-line
I'm fine saving him for Nando's take on Iron Man 3. Not much missed out on if you replace the Mandarin with him.
what about merging hammer and vanko. Give the motivation of vanko to hammer. You can even give him the whips if you like.
You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with Justin Hammer...
well, Sam rocks..
The_Jokester and he did win a Oscar
It is the correct level of obsession
Sam Rocks...well.
One could argue that the rest of us have an unhealthy ambivalence to Justin Hammer
Fyi , Hammer is also affiliated with a suit called Detroit Steel in some 2010 comic. It's technically built by hammer tech , but piloted by sasha hammer (but in a lego set its piloted by justin hammer) . It also has a red white and blue colour scheme which is cooler than plain green .
Quarantine game: take a shot every time nando says "Justin Hammer". Don't Die.
too late
That's not a game. That's literally suicide by cirrhosis of the liver.
Ha~!!!!!!
@@danieldaw1778
Cirosis... what ever the F@k...
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I would die of boredom :)
7:05 - "Whips are a fine power once." - Em..Have you heard of this character called Indiana Jones?
@Juan Sanchez yeah, but the guns weren't as useful or reliable.
Wait, didn’t Hammer make the Titanium Man suit in “Iron Man :Armored Adventures”?
Yes, with the assistance of Mr. Fix. Ironically, Whiplash was Mr. Fix's right-hand man.
Finally, someone else who acknowledges this show!
Yes, he did. I love that show lol
That suit was lit. Literally.
Best Iron Man show
I'm always happy for more Sam Rockwell.
Justin Hammer is worthy of Mjolnir.
Also, Pepe Silvia on the Whiteboard. 😂😂😂😂
Wait, so Hammer with the hammer? That's poetic.
Ha!
It's right there in the name: "Justin".
*There is no Pepe Silvia* !
In the myths using mjölner is not the case of "worthiness" its a question of power, and in my opinion Hammer is powerful enough. That dance is pure expression of power.
I think you wildly simplified Vanko's reason for being there and in the process turned Hammer into an "evil clone" villain, which is something people have been criticizing the mcu of doing. I think the writing around Vanko should have been better, but he's not there to get revenge on Howard by way of Tony. He's an extension of Hammer's motivation. He also wants to destroy the Stark legacy because of what it did to his dad. That why he shows how vulnerable Tony is and thats where the bleeding gods and shark infested waters line comes from. I think Hammer comes in to complete the plan, "Make sure no one shows up to the funeral".
"They had us the first half.... I'm not gonna lie"
I should have just scrolled down...take my thumbs up on your way to a nice 69
More like the first thirty secondth
> Just changed the entire movie.
"It's a very simple change."
simple, not easy
Suggestion: we have hammer and stark make a gentleman's bet on the race to see who's team will win. Hammer seems like an F1 sponsor. Stark gets in the car and is up against hammers driver, the best on the grid. The seizure thing also happens and we see the crash as you described it. Tony use the suitcase to save all the other racers except for Hammer's driver who managed to weave through the wrecks. After avoiding crashing hammers driver gets his throttle jammed and is racing through the streets of Monaco with an engine that's essentially a time bomb. The brakes can't hold back the car at full power and would heat it up anyway so tony has to race alongside the car and try to stop it before they hit the next corner or the engine blows.
Then we get a little scene where hammer feels put out that his driver set the all time lap record while his engine malfunctioned but... You know... Ironman saved everyone. So we have him trying to keep the reporter's attention while she's running off to get the exclusive with Tony. This fuels him to take more extreme action.
That is hilarious. I love it.
Man you are way too harsh to Ivan Vanko's character in this. Like yes, I see how a Hammer only movie would work, but that's not to say Vanko's character didn't have a lot of potential too. His character's motivation was one about legacy (ie his family lineage), which is exactly what Tony toiled over throughout the movie and which stuck through Tony's entire infinity saga arc through Peter Parker. It's not that this motivation is uncompelling; it was just undeveloped. Yes, Vanko was quirky and forgetable, but it's not because there was something wrong with his character traits, rather just that the movie was to unfocused on diving into his character further.
TBH honest I liked this movie this divided... actually was my fav MCU movie when rewatching all of them before Infinity War. This didn't needed a laser focus foil, in fact the more Hammer wouldn't make him a sole villain just turn the whole thing poorly balanced, and a retread if the first Iron Man with the evil Businessman focus. This movie was about worldbuilding and Legacy from as many aspects as possible.
The 1st direct sequel in the MCU
The first team combo attack brilliantly telegraphed from the party.
That teamfight and SHIELD getting involved essentially mad this Avangers 0.5, which I prefer over the 1st and 2nd Avengers movies.
Howard's legacy through Tony and the Vankos
Tony's legacy gripping with his mortality making sure both the company and the suit are in the safest possible hands.
Not enough likes and comments on this. I love J Hammer but disagree that he's villian enough.
Vanko is a Russian mobster with a vendetta and Rourke plays him great. The movie is overstuffed and that's part of its charm...
Agreed. He really didn't need to nitpick as much as he did.
"More Justin Hammer."
"Shut up and take my money."
An improvement that I think could be made to Iron Man 3 is replacing Aldrich Killian with another villian in Iron Man's roster: Ezekiel Stane, the son of Obadiah Stane. The thing with Killian is that he doesn't really have much of a connection with Tony other than being rejected that one time at a party. Ezekiel on the other hand spent his life trying the gain the approval of his father and he knows that Tony was the man that killed him. Another reason why he works so well is that he has a history of happily selling arms to terrorists and supervillians (such as the Mandarin).
However, Comics Killian was so horrified about creating the Extremis virus, he killed himself. Like Hammer and his father, this makes Ezekiel a great foil to Tony because he also represents what the future of arms dealers like Tony before he became Iron Man. Tony is just a guy in a suit, but Ezekiel has evolved himself into a weaponized cyborg using the technology that Tony created. What makes Ezekiel so terrifying is that he's a terrorist without an ideology who only cares for one thing in this world: Getting revenge on the man who killed his father.
You're right and I hope you're also on his Patreon because this would be great to see Nando break down.
The tricky thing about some of Tony's villain os there outlandishness. Fun for comics, hard to make movies. Mandarin is his most iconic one. But he's too similar to Thanos and Doctor Strange (which is the other one). And would have the relatability problem again. They didn't want to introduce too much magic to early either I don't think. So as to not downplay the big deal of Doctor Strange when he popped up.
this could be very interesting, considering the fact that his story would make him a hero in a very slightly different setting, or anti-hero.
"Getting revenge on the man who killed his father" has been a plot for a hero in a several movies.
@@byronsenior6499 I think that there might be a bit of a miscommunication here. Eziekiel Stane could still be the one to hire the fake Mandarin and kidnap the President. But unlike Killian, he has more of a connection to Tony because he's the son of Obadiah and not some guy who Tony rejected at a party back in the 90s.
That's kinda ripping off the initial Die Hard trilogy. First movie is a Gruber and then the third movie is his relative wanting vengeance. Same kinda thing.
I was looking for this video before it was even uploaded
I honestly feel like Ivan could have worked even in the same movie as justin Hammer. If you set him up corectly Ivan can be a man who uses the arc reactor for selfish reasons (to get revenge) while Tony uses the arc reactor for selfless reasons (helping People). That could go hand in hand with tony's Statement "one man's tool is another man's weapon". Together with justin Hammer who for me represents a Tony stark who has never been in the cave we have two villains that show us what Tony could become or has been in Hammers case. So when those "bad Versions" of Tony come together to destroy Tony, he would literally have to fight Version of him that he either was (hammer) or could have been (Ivan vanko). Obvisouly you would have to rewrite the movie quite a bit to draw more Parallels between Tony and ivan so that we can truly see that Tony could become more like him so everything feels more satisfying when he chooses the right thing at the end.
I agree with most of this. Great breakdown. Hammer was the best part of the movie.
I always thought it would have been better to have whiplash as a minor violin at the beginning (for the sake of an action scene) and Hammer break him out and use him to get his drones up and running. After that, Hammer could have made fun of Vanko’s limited imagination and used his tech to make the drones/ own suit for the finale.
But Iron man already fought the worst version of himself. That was Stane.
I feel like you could do a theme with the Iron Man movies of Tony fighting guys that are him but worse (and it'd work better if they didn't keep doing that with other films too).
Stane is Tony's worst aspects as a businessman.
Killian is Tony's worst aspects in his personal relationships.
Hammer's just Tony but incompetent, so you'd need to rework that some to have him really fit *and* be differentiated from the other two.
Stane is 'Bad-Future' Tony. A Tony that lost his empathy and only cared about making money. Hammer is 'Poor-Imitation' Tony, a person who on the surface appears to be like Tony but who actually had no substance once you look past the flashy exterior, he doesn't have Tony's genius or heart.
Hammer is the evil parallel to Tony's past, and whiplash is the parallel to his present. They work together as a single meta villain, with whiplashes eventual betrayal mirroring Tony's own transformation in IM1. Natasha is representing Shield, and might be representing his future with the Avengers, keeping him on track, healing his weaknesses, etc.
Tony Stark's crowning achievement is either the Arc reactor: a source of infinite, limitless clean energy, or the Iron Man armor, which is powered by that limitless source of energy to give a man the power to fight Gods and Titans.
Justin Hammer's crowning achievement is a large bullet that does not work.
I'm sorry, it's just what I thought of when you said "Justin Hammer is actually pretty smart."
Was just watching HiTop films is video and when you’re section came up I thought “wait what I don’t remember this video” 10 minutes later the notification comes up
Hmm, after rewatching this & Iron Man 2 I think theres an argument for Wiplash as the poor Tony Stark. So now I'm plotting out my own version which would still end with Hammers Titanium man but still feature Venko as an important character. Basically having Hammer + Venko as foils to Stark, where the 2 together only then equal Stark
I still think Ivan should've been the solo villain. Take away Fury and Shield. I love the idea of Tony slowly deteriorating. And is forced to face himself and his complete opposite.
While, Justin Hammer...Now that character should be Loki's right hand man in the first Avengers movie. Imagine the awesome scenes of Justin trying to teach Loki how to dance. LOL do with that as you will.
Honestly this video just convinced that if you take away Ivan Vanko you're left with Obadiah Stane but funny.
I was so glad there was “part 1” not written on the title.
I get sad when there isn't a part 1. I love the multiparters, cause it means that there is 60+ minutes of Nando going ham on one subject.
ClayXros hahahhahahahahahaha
I agree with your ideas. But I think the first interaction between Vanko and Stark is actually kind of like the joker's plan in the dark knight. The joker didn't plan for the exact things that happened because even without some of the events, the characters would still be in the same place. If Vanko had started terrorizing the race and destroying cars, Iron man would stop him. It doesn't hatter if we is in the race or in the restaurant.
Tony "saving" the other drivers wouldn't work. For one, he wouldn't have enough time to get into the suitcase.
13:57 it wasn't a russian prison it was french. Vao got arrested in monaco, and you can hear the guards speaking french when he's walking out of there
I don’t normally like fan rewrites, but this is really great! I’m glad I’m not the only one who really liked Sam Rockwell’s Justin Hammer
Love this video and the ideas!
Funny thing is ... as a kid I thought Hammer was the only villain 😅
Vanco (no clue on spelling) looked like my uncle so I liked him the whole time and just thought he wanted his bird back 😄
20:42 the way you said "and i guess now, space force, who knows" really got me
Hey!! It's very suitable too!
Tony Stark = Iron Man and if I am at liberty to say it,
Justin Hammer = Hammer Man!
It's HAMMER TIME !!!!
This iron and hammer movie would have been phenomenal!
When Nando said that Justin Hammer would be Titanium Man. I instantly thought of Iron Man Armoured Adventures.
I dont really get what you were doing with the Monaco scene...
So Tony caused a crash, and every driver now also doing the crash so Tony could use the suitcase armor to save them from falling out the cliff?
the nando scene could use some polish
I like the basic skelleton. Tony crashes, causing a pile up. Tony uses suitcase armor to save them. Personally I think the scene would be better if someone dies. Like, tony tries to save everyone, but can't. Either the armors to slow to go on, or its not strong enough due to being a prototype. Theres a real consequence to his decision to drive even though the poisoning is imparring him.
Alex s and Fernando Alonso perishes
I can see you’re a man of culture as well. Sam nailed it in this role and is one of the highlights in the MCU imo.
Justin hammer should have been on mysterio's crew. Missed opportunity
Hammer has too much ego to fit into the mysterio team.
@@matthewparker9276 could be a cool story point with someone disagreeing with beck, showing his more brutal side
@@robbieos7535 probably would have been a nice dynamic if mysterio appeared over several films (and maybe we will see more mysterio, who knows) but having a bit of hammer in the single film would have overshadowed beck, if you know what I'm saying?
@Sam Lastname that would be very fitting haha
Not even halfway through and you've convinced me. I want more Justin Hammer
He's mistaken on what Whiplash was supposed to be.
He wasn't supposed to be a perfect foil, he was supposed to be a combination of "the sins of the father" and "the dragon".
The first gives parallels to Tony's situation with the palladium poisoning and his efforts to fix it and the second gives Hammer a tool to use against Tony.
Finally a man with some sense Hammer nailed it
I'm 80% on board with this. There should be more focus on Hammer and his relationship with Stark. However, the villain showing up in a giant Iron Man suit to fight Tony Stark was the end of the first movie. Making the suit Green for Iron Man 2 doesn't make it different. It's rehashing the ending of the first movie.
Having Ivan/Whiplash be the henchman that doesn't show up as Whiplash until it's time for the big fight, works. And I like the whole idea that Ivan is some guy working with Hammer, working to develop the drones, maybe develop some huge suit. But the henchman exists for the fight, he's not a major character. So it downplays Whiplash in favor of elevating Hammer. No revenge back story, (maybe that can be touched on later) no silly bird or gold grill, no father vs father exposition... all of that has to go. Whiplash is just the muscle that shows up at the end of the movie to try to save his boss and stop Iron Man.
The background music and you making it look like the characters are talking just makes the video even better.
HAMMER TIME!!
Obviously Justin Hammer is coming back for "Phase 4 of the MCU" so it's an moment of opportunity for him.
Am I the only who prefers Iron Man's old suits over the nanobot version which to me just seemed less interesting
Tony not being able to take the suit with him everywhere, cause it was kinda like a vehicle, put him in more vulnerable positions. When the hero has more limitations, it means they make more interesting decisions, so are more interesting to the audience.
I kinda liked that in Iron Man 3, he had suits with different strengths and weaknesses. With the nano suit he can do everything without having to plan.
@@Waddings Yea but he died after that so its cool, right? Like by the end of the character's story, you get to see a version of them that overcame those weaknesses and then he dies so now you don't have to worry about the character being so OP that the tension is gone.
However, I think MCU Spidey has the issue you speak of.
Never have I been more excited for something that’ll never exist
In the end u should put Hammer in the Detroit Steel suit instead of the Titanium Man suit cause in the comics Hammers company makes Detroit Steel
I love Justin Hammer, and I'm so glad that you also love him
I still think Sam Rockwell's Hammer would be a excellent (maybe superior) stand in for Norman Osborn in a Dark Avengers situation.
13:38 lol didn’t know the Prime Minister of Canada wrote those amazing armament lines for Rockwell
You REALLY love Justin Hammer huh?
Who doesn't?
Nando v Movies what about Zemo’s actor do you think he can be a 007 villain or he should be Dracula or Grindelwald instead of Johnny Depp?
@@NandovMovies I was never the biggest fan, he was too... incompetent. Not dangerous enough by himself(though that's part of what *makes* him a foil for Tony).
8:56 Nando: talking about Rhody.
Me: My Skrull senses are tingling
"We're going to spend some time talking about why Whiplash doesn't work"
This is gonna be a long video
The race car scene is one of the best Iron Man scenes of all time. Tony introduces new tech..its awesome.
How would Justin hammer have a titanium man suit that’s sort of combat ready, yet still need to do all this kidnapping and drone stuff to bypass the biometrics of Tony’s suit? If his prototype suit was able to somewhat fight with iron man, couldn’t he use it for the war machine part and not need to kidnap Rhodes?
This video was extremely lazy. It wasn't Nando's best work
more like just a hammer...
Chefs kiss
The fact that you say Hammer uses the Titanim Man armour means you watched Armoured Adventures and thats pretty nice
This EXACT plot down to the characters was already done in Iron Man The Animated Seeies
I knew where you were going with the intro, and I still laughed. Hammer was the only choice.
isn't Obadius Stain already a perfect foil of who Tony could be? Isn't hammer just doing the same things?
Obadius was an egomaniac and spiteful while Hammer was just greedy. Still a missed opportunity to make a more poignant point about the privatisation of the military as the only worthwhile scene in the movie is the Congress hearing at the start.
Love this rework idea. And love Justin Hammer
Instead of Ivan Vanko as Hammer’s only other worker, I would personally make it either Anton Vanko and Ivan Vanko as a father/son duo just to keep them both alive for a Thunderbolts team which has Crimson Dynamo and Dynamo as the early fake out team just for Hammer to be brought out as a plot twist reprise in the Detroit Steel armour
What I get from this is that Vanko could have been the "main" villain and Hammer the "twist" villain, the one who pulls the strings. Like the roles should have been reversed. Vanko manipulated Hammer to achieve his goal, but that should have been the other way around.
Great video, personally I think ghost should've appeared in this film as well. I do hope hammer appears down the line in the mcu, maybe as the fixer?
This feels alot too much like iron man 1 with the whole 'angy business man steal ironman armour to fight Tony and sell weapons'
I mean, tbf that's what a lot of Iron man villains are
@@fangsabre true..
Whiplash isn't tho 😋
Great stuff! Although I personally think Whiplash could also be a secondary minor villain like the Shocker in homecoming.
Justin Hammer has a relative named Justine Hammer who wears something called the Detroit Steel Armour. Maybe in an alternate version of Iron Man 3, Justine tries to one up Tony again by having his own "Sidekick" but has no idea about the Iron Legion...an idea which Tony stole from Hammer after this version of Iron Man 2.
Love it!
I just have one problem: the final fight is, once again, an evil Iron Man. Almost all final fights in Marvel solo movies are against evil mirrors (Cap vs Red Skull, Iron Man vs Iron Monger, Hulk vs Abomination, 2 Black Panthers...), I'd like to see something new
there's the spiderman movies
well what would you have done?
Tbf I don’t think there Could’ve been anything else that made sense
You are indeed correct in your assessment. I think the character could only be played by Sam Rockwell who in my opinion is vastly underrated
Im amazed how much you get the character and the acting style of Samuel Rockwell
This is a great video. It’s so funny to me that Iron Man 2 is on right now and I get to see all the points you made about how Justin Hammer is a great and fun character.
I'd like to imagine that in the future we'll have simulation/editing technology advanced enough to put all of the one small change concepts into the movies.
I'd go to town on Star Wars.
how about Vanko’s in the movie like normal up until the racetrack scene, somehow Tony gets the briefcase suit before Happy shows up so we can get that awesome suit-up scene… and then Happy runs him over with the car and he dies, and Hammer is forced to go to plan B.
Me watching the intro: "Did you do it?"
Nando: "Yes"
Me: "What did it cost?"
Nando thinking of Hammer Time: "Everything..."
"The world's heaviest mannequin"
I was just watching your part in Hitop films video
Just remember, you will never love you’re loved ones as much as Nando loves Justin hammer
Tony Stark NOT being an alcoholic is like saying Peter Parker should lose his Uncle John instead of his Uncle Ben.
What about Peter Parkers Aunt Jemima?
or his 7th cousin 43rd removed Francis
I just watched this movie on FX right now. And now there's two essays about it
What do you think you're doing giving me a heart attack like that? I was almost very dissappointed in you
Any future MCU pitch is pretty much just "Yeah, add Justin Hammer."