I'm late to the party (as always), but what an awesome reviewer Michael is. No stupid gurning TH-cam thumbnails, no 10mins of puff followed by 30seconds of actual content, just a clever, experienced, articulate professional, telling a viewer all the things they wanted to know. Superb. 👏
I bought my new M package in January 2021. About 7,500km up on it now. The bike has been flawless and such a pleasure to own. I have six bikes including a 2021 Ducati Monster plus and a 2022 Ducati V2 Bayliss edition and I still regard my BMW as my favourite bike in my fleet.
Great honest review, I had a deposit on an Msport but was messed around so much by BMW I cancelled and bought a 2018 R1M, bearing in mind that we all put deposits down without even riding the thing, imagine my trepidation when I eventually got to ride one, well I can hand on heart say I had no feeling of regret whatsoever! Yes it was a bit quicker than the Yamaha in a straight line but it didn’t feel as fun, didn’t have the character or the soul. And it certainly didn’t have the giggle factor that the R1 has, and the big thing is it didn’t make me feel special when I was riding it and certainly doesn’t make you turn round for one last glance as you walk away from it. It was a bit to clinical and German for my liking. Before the R1M I had a HP4 Carbon for three years, that felt more special than the new S1KRR.
Yeah I had a deposit on this that BMW never gave back and I had to dispute it with Amex. Ended up getting a 19 Panigale V4 and it's legit! Glad I didn't go for the BMW honestly.
Good perspective. I’ve owned mine for 4 mths and I agree with its road credentials. It’s the sort of bike that feels better the harder you push it. Problem is that is always waaay above speed limits. It’s stressful because you need to push it to enjoy but then stressing a cop is about to put a radar on you and your license is about to get torched. If you own it you need to stretch its legs at the track. Otherwise i think it is very versatile. With the standard suspension you can go from a sporty road setup to a very stiff track platform all within the current system.
Hi yes i sold my MV F3 800 for that very reason -- now i find myself looking at s1000r's etc . funny thing is i came by a 2003 rsv which every time i go out on it i come back feeling better than i did on the MV ( the MV made you feel like you always could have and should have ridden it faster through a set of bends - which i thought was a bad mind set) I brought an indian FTR which is fun in many ways ( good engine but not a playful as feels to sit on as its long and heavy) but i think i will sell it in another year. i love my BMW R9T scrambler and a Husky Nuda. after 3 years what are your thoughts on the BMW rr.? cheers
Michael, it's always so nice to hear your comments. I'm already salivating looking at this bike. I have to try it before the winter in Portugal, if they at BMW have one here. (those sticky notes on the bike made this one of your best videos)
Really like the fast paced bullet point review, that works well ! also like the honesty, 9K miles is probably 18 months riding for me so its a really good length of time / mileage to be honest about the bikes feel & performance. One question though ..... does it feel 'special' ? for £20K its not just about performance and power and speed .... it needs to feel special.
I had a deposit on an Msport but was messed around so much by BMW I cancelled and bought a 2018 R1M, bearing in mind that we all put deposits down without even riding the thing, imagine my trepidation when I eventually got to ride one, well I can hand on heart say I had no feeling of regret whatsoever! Yes it was a bit quicker than the Yamaha in a straight line but it didn’t feel as fun, didn’t have the character or the soul. And it certainly didn’t have the giggle factor that the R1 has, and the big thing is it didn’t make me feel special when I was riding it and certainly doesn’t make you turn round for one last glance as you walk away from it. It was a bit to clinical and German for my liking. Before the R1M I had a HP4 Carbon for three years, that felt more special than the new S1KRR.
Almer Reyhan if you are not athletic and in good shape 1. You will have a sore back in less than a hour of cruising 2. Won’t get the full potential of the bike in turns if you are a huge guy no offense
@@relate97 Even if you are athletic it will hurt your back. Let's just be honest guys, if you aren't riding on track on a REGULAR basis , then buying a supersport type of bike is frankly stupid. The only reason you can logically defend it is for the looks of the bike and that's it. A naked type bike is superior in every, single, way, for the great majority of riders.
Great content! Love the honesty too with regards would you buy one and is it worth the money. Would you say you enjoyed your time with the GSXR1000R more or less than the S1000rr? Also why the Rosso Corsa 2s vs the 3s? Thanks
I would definitely look into getting this bike, seems like the one that has all the creature comforts even if you do have to pay for the M package, im sure its worth shelling out a few more clams for all of it.
So to confirm, the '19 S1000R outperforms against the previous long term test where you reviewed the '17 GSXR 1000 and in 2020 the S1000 is still best road bike? I can't wait to take the V4S out. I took the S1000 out today and it does everything very well - great stopping power, ferocious top end, great dash and quickshift but I can relate to your point, it almost felt characterless and clinical. I jumped back on my Gen1 Mille and rode away smiling when I expected it feel like a bag of spanners.
funny i just wrote this to Rogase68 above: Rich Brett 1 second ago Hi yes i sold my MV F3 800 for that very reason -- now i find myself looking at s1000r's etc . funny thing is i came by a 2003 rsv which every time i go out on it i come back feeling better than i did on the MV ( the MV made you feel like you always could have and should have ridden it faster through a set of bends - which i thought was a bad mind set) I brought an indian FTR which is fun in many ways ( good engine but not a playful as feels to sit on as its long and heavy) but i think i will sell it in another year. i love my BMW R9T scrambler and a Husky Nuda. after 3 years what are your thoughts on the BMW rr.? cheers
Nice honest review! The RSV4 does have cruise too. And you missed a post it note, it fell behind the top yoke about 2/3rd of the way through the video 🤣
Great review.. exactly what I been waiting for.. had my order in since March 2019 and its just confirmed my thoughts on sacking it off (as winters here now) and buy a Tuono 👍🏻
Great review as always, everytime i buy a naked bike i enjoy them for a few months but the wind blast just kills me so keep reverting back to a sportsbike and really like the idea of cruise control to be able to move around a bit more, have to find me a cheap 2018 bike
Saying it has CF wheels, cruise control, heated grips, linked sat-nav while none of the other bikes you listed have any of those, let alone all of them and then saying it isn't worth 20 grand seems a bit odd to me.
@@relate97 We must have watched different videos, because he said it was the only one that HAS them. (though they are an option, I think, previous gen RR had them as standard)
Really great way of doing a review, does the uk bike have the big flat spot in 2nd gear saw a few video's where folks have gaind 40bhp in 2nd after a flash .Pity about the lack of clear coat over the paint.
Brilliant piece Michael, I'm in 2 minds as to get one of these whenever they eventually turn up and trade my 2013 hp4, or keep said bike and get a 2nd naked street focused bike or XR...... what would you do
Probably the best review I've seen of any bike . Based on long term experience and well presented. Looks like an excellent bike, if you are going to do track days. I've even heard some argue the 47 BHP of an A2 bike is enough for the road, although I wouldn't go that far. On the road anything much more than 100 BHP is pretty much unusable. A 47 BHP bike will do the "ton" , and 100 BHP bikes do about 130 MPH and get to 60 MPH in about 4 seconds. However I would like one of these and take it on the track !
>100hp on the road is absolutely usable, not legally right enough but my 140hp ninja 1k can certainly open up on a nice straight no problem. My GS though makes a similar peak HP figure but the torque makes it absolute bliss for road driving.
Wjat would you say is a bike or two that make you giggle on the street and are worth the price? I’m in the US. Love your videos. I’m only on the street.
I never tried one, but rumors saying 2 new features made to bmw latest bike but unsure which species😉. Does this s1000rr have above said for : 1. stabilty-levelling with no nose dive if hard front braking? 2. Throttle-auto-close if front hard braking? Just curious u not mentioned them or the features not in there. I love its idling engine sound.
You say it's not a 20k bike.. I plan to buy a used m sport where someones put everything on and decided they dont want it.. only problem is I only like the grey.. I'd pay 20k then.. I love the heated grips, sat nav, cruise control, and tyre pressure indicator.. also its rapid.. great review thanks..
The only thing I enjoyed heavily about this 17' year FZ-09 I have, in the electronic rider aid suite, is the ABS sensors make gearing changes possible without a speedo recalibration. Do the electronics work? ABS, yes, too good, let ME slow down, turn it off. TCS, yes, always off though, use it like a valet feature or buddy bike. Throttle map power modes, meh, redundancy. This BMW just feels like another pond reflection of these digital intrusions to the motorcycle experience, which is doing no favors to helping grow motorcycle volume sales or enthusiasm if you ask me. I did, thoroughly find this review less than dull, Danke.
Terrific summary. Cycle world's recent superbike group test reckoned the bmw's throtle/response felt a little remote or indirect. Even on euro bikes (US specs being severely limited), Would you agree?
I've seen several reports now saying its one of the best bikes, if not the best, to ride, but the reliability (of BMW in general) is not good, failure rates far above the Japanese bikes and down there with Indian and Moto Guzzi. Just wondered if you had any issues with the long termer or if anyone else has had any major issue? Asking not to slate the BMW, but because I do like and am tempted once the lockdown had finished. Cheers. (Not bothered with things like fork seals, more so anything that is a major pain).
Great review, I just totaled my 18 RSV4 RF. Im on the mend for 3 months dammit. I was trying to pass an ass w/ no track time, he had a sloppy line that threw me off the rd and mountain. Split my pelvis in two had to be helicoptered back. Incredibly insurance is giving me 26k back!! Ill be on my R3, then Daytona prior to buying my new 1000 and im looking at the RSV4 1100 FW. Healing sucks. Never ride that close to anyone w/out track time... lesson learned. But I can fucking WALK!!! (not supposed to im locked into a wheelchair for another 3 weeks. Ill tear it up in PT! ;)
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I'm late to the party (as always), but what an awesome reviewer Michael is. No stupid gurning TH-cam thumbnails, no 10mins of puff followed by 30seconds of actual content, just a clever, experienced, articulate professional, telling a viewer all the things they wanted to know. Superb. 👏
One of the best reviews out there. Proper mileage and seat time.
how much kms or miles plz
@@maacdesmond 145k miles
Best reviewer out there 👍🏻
I have been watching Neeves for years and he is the best in the business anywhere. 😀🍻
I bought my new M package in January 2021. About 7,500km up on it now. The bike has been flawless and such a pleasure to own. I have six bikes including a 2021 Ducati Monster plus and a 2022 Ducati V2 Bayliss edition and I still regard my BMW as my favourite bike in my fleet.
Excellent analysis in slightly different presentation.Thks.
The most thorough and knowledgeable reviewer at the moment - Thank you Micheal!
Cracking review. You're my favorite moto journo, hands down.
Broken down to molecules.. Sick format
Neeves is the gold standard of motorcycle journalism.
Great honest review,
I had a deposit on an Msport but was messed around so much by BMW I cancelled and bought a 2018 R1M, bearing in mind that we all put deposits down without even riding the thing, imagine my trepidation when I eventually got to ride one, well I can hand on heart say I had no feeling of regret whatsoever! Yes it was a bit quicker than the Yamaha in a straight line but it didn’t feel as fun, didn’t have the character or the soul. And it certainly didn’t have the giggle factor that the R1 has, and the big thing is it didn’t make me feel special when I was riding it and certainly doesn’t make you turn round for one last glance as you walk away from it. It was a bit to clinical and German for my liking.
Before the R1M I had a HP4 Carbon for three years, that felt more special than the new S1KRR.
I agree the r1 feels more fun to ride.
Yeah I had a deposit on this that BMW never gave back and I had to dispute it with Amex. Ended up getting a 19 Panigale V4 and it's legit! Glad I didn't go for the BMW honestly.
Surprise BMW was so bad.
That R1 is special though!
Good pick r1 ,because bmw needs balls
Glad you got the bike you wanted 👍 Love my M Sport personally and I was lucky to have a great dealer
The RSV4 also has cruise control.
Good perspective. I’ve owned mine for 4 mths and I agree with its road credentials. It’s the sort of bike that feels better the harder you push it. Problem is that is always waaay above speed limits. It’s stressful because you need to push it to enjoy but then stressing a cop is about to put a radar on you and your license is about to get torched. If you own it you need to stretch its legs at the track. Otherwise i think it is very versatile. With the standard suspension you can go from a sporty road setup to a very stiff track platform all within the current system.
Hi yes i sold my MV F3 800 for that very reason -- now i find myself looking at s1000r's etc . funny thing is i came by a 2003 rsv which every time i go out on it i come back feeling better than i did on the MV ( the MV made you feel like you always could have and should have ridden it faster through a set of bends - which i thought was a bad mind set) I brought an indian FTR which is fun in many ways ( good engine but not a playful as feels to sit on as its long and heavy) but i think i will sell it in another year. i love my BMW R9T scrambler and a Husky Nuda. after 3 years what are your thoughts on the BMW rr.? cheers
As always a user friendly test, extremely practical report. If only I was 40 years younger!
Michael neeves is the best in the business! No mucking about and no shenanigans! Just business. 😎😎😎
That's a cool way to do this
Btw. something I always missed on tests is that reviewers seldom tell us their height.
I think he's 6' 2''
@@Madmotodad i think more 5'8"
I think more 5' 7"
@@pablopicasso169 I think 5 feet
Great way to do a final review of a bike, do more of these please.
MCN should be on TV!!!!!
this is why Michael is at the forefont of motorcycle journalism.
Your reviews are super helpful and to-the-point...and I love to hear you speak. Kudos!
Michael, it's always so nice to hear your comments. I'm already salivating looking at this bike. I have to try it before the winter in Portugal, if they at BMW have one here. (those sticky notes on the bike made this one of your best videos)
Awesome review Michael. Lots of questions answered. Thanks pal
Really like the fast paced bullet point review, that works well ! also like the honesty, 9K miles is probably 18 months riding for me so its a really good length of time / mileage to be honest about the bikes feel & performance.
One question though ..... does it feel 'special' ? for £20K its not just about performance and power and speed .... it needs to feel special.
11:18 Basically no, not compared to competition
I had a deposit on an Msport but was messed around so much by BMW I cancelled and bought a 2018 R1M, bearing in mind that we all put deposits down without even riding the thing, imagine my trepidation when I eventually got to ride one, well I can hand on heart say I had no feeling of regret whatsoever! Yes it was a bit quicker than the Yamaha in a straight line but it didn’t feel as fun, didn’t have the character or the soul. And it certainly didn’t have the giggle factor that the R1 has, and the big thing is it didn’t make me feel special when I was riding it and certainly doesn’t make you turn round for one last glance as you walk away from it. It was a bit to clinical and German for my liking.
Before the R1M I had a HP4 Carbon for three years, that felt more special than the new S1KRR.
Great review, I ride mine daily its a great every day bike. My commute is 50+ miles a day
That Guy There whoa thats a haul for everyday commute hope the roads a tad bit twisty
If you are in good shape there is nothing wrong commuting on a sports bike. One day a s1000rr will be in my garage...
@@jellethegreatest why is being in a good shape matters?
Almer Reyhan if you are not athletic and in good shape 1. You will have a sore back in less than a hour of cruising 2. Won’t get the full potential of the bike in turns if you are a huge guy no offense
@@relate97 Even if you are athletic it will hurt your back. Let's just be honest guys, if you aren't riding on track on a REGULAR basis , then buying a supersport type of bike is frankly stupid. The only reason you can logically defend it is for the looks of the bike and that's it. A naked type bike is superior in every, single, way, for the great majority of riders.
Really cool way of doing a review, love it.
And I think I saw you on the A14 one morning a couple of months ago on this bike, was rather jealous 👍
As usual a honest and great review. Thank you 😊. 20k wow!!
Well organized and well thought out review
Thank you Suzuki for the K5 GSXR 1000, bmw liked the K5 and hence how this beautiful bike had been overdeveloped for 12 years now lol
Great content! Love the honesty too with regards would you buy one and is it worth the money.
Would you say you enjoyed your time with the GSXR1000R more or less than the S1000rr?
Also why the Rosso Corsa 2s vs the 3s?
Thanks
I would definitely look into getting this bike, seems like the one that has all the creature comforts even if you do have to pay for the M package, im sure its worth shelling out a few more clams for all of it.
Interesting presentation and nicely detailed
So to confirm, the '19 S1000R outperforms against the previous long term test where you reviewed the '17 GSXR 1000 and in 2020 the S1000 is still best road bike? I can't wait to take the V4S out. I took the S1000 out today and it does everything very well - great stopping power, ferocious top end, great dash and quickshift but I can relate to your point, it almost felt characterless and clinical. I jumped back on my Gen1 Mille and rode away smiling when I expected it feel like a bag of spanners.
funny i just wrote this to Rogase68 above:
Rich Brett
1 second ago
Hi yes i sold my MV F3 800 for that very reason -- now i find myself looking at s1000r's etc . funny thing is i came by a 2003 rsv which every time i go out on it i come back feeling better than i did on the MV ( the MV made you feel like you always could have and should have ridden it faster through a set of bends - which i thought was a bad mind set) I brought an indian FTR which is fun in many ways ( good engine but not a playful as feels to sit on as its long and heavy) but i think i will sell it in another year. i love my BMW R9T scrambler and a Husky Nuda. after 3 years what are your thoughts on the BMW rr.? cheers
Great review and this guy knows his onions. Spot on 👍👍🏍️
Great content!
Thanks for testing this monster guys💙🤜🤛
Nice honest review! The RSV4 does have cruise too. And you missed a post it note, it fell behind the top yoke about 2/3rd of the way through the video 🤣
quality review, as ever.
Awesome review!
My dream bike!!
The fork seals on BMWs are packed with grease when the grease gets warm it comes from the seal
Great review and a cool format, just a shame one of the sticky notes flew away☹️ was it the one about keyless ignition or does this one have a key?
This one had a key.
Great review.. exactly what I been waiting for.. had my order in since March 2019 and its just confirmed my thoughts on sacking it off (as winters here now) and buy a Tuono 👍🏻
Great review as always, everytime i buy a naked bike i enjoy them for a few months but the wind blast just kills me so keep reverting back to a sportsbike and really like the idea of cruise control to be able to move around a bit more, have to find me a cheap 2018 bike
It almost looks like a police bike with the notes on it 😁.
Quality review Neevsi and some great tyre tips 👍
Saying it has CF wheels, cruise control, heated grips, linked sat-nav while none of the other bikes you listed have any of those, let alone all of them and then saying it isn't worth 20 grand seems a bit odd to me.
He felt like BMW cheaped out in some areas as compared to Ducati, please watch where he talks about paint & plastic pieces.
Did we watch the same video? He literally said this is the only bike that doesn’t have heated grips
Yeah but its got carbon wheels and best lcd dash so its better value than the others. But its not fun to ride compared to r1 and rsv4
@@relate97 We must have watched different videos, because he said it was the only one that HAS them. (though they are an option, I think, previous gen RR had them as standard)
nice review for a future owner of s1000rr, brilient job.
Really great way of doing a review, does the uk bike have the big flat spot in 2nd gear saw a few video's where folks have gaind 40bhp in 2nd after a flash .Pity about the lack of clear coat over the paint.
thank you all, bravo !
great review ...very detailed ......really nice of you MCN
One of the post-it notes got away, it’s on the ground in the background.
Well done old chap excellent no nonsense review keep them coming.
3:33 could have mentioned- THEY FINALLY PUT THE DAMN TURN SIGNALS IN THE MIRRORS :-)
WELLDONE ...thanks MCN
Aprilia RSV4 has cruise control !
Good detailed review 👍
Love the honesty
8:14 Sorry but the RSV4 has cruisecontrol aswell.
Brilliant piece Michael, I'm in 2 minds as to get one of these whenever they eventually turn up and trade my 2013 hp4, or keep said bike and get a 2nd naked street focused bike or XR...... what would you do
Sell the bike and get a hooker
Great review 👌👍
Probably the best review I've seen of any bike . Based on long term experience and well presented. Looks like an excellent bike, if you are going to do track days.
I've even heard some argue the 47 BHP of an A2 bike is enough for the road, although I wouldn't go that far.
On the road anything much more than 100 BHP is pretty much unusable.
A 47 BHP bike will do the "ton" , and 100 BHP bikes do about 130 MPH and get to 60 MPH in about 4 seconds.
However I would like one of these and take it on the track !
>100hp on the road is absolutely usable, not legally right enough but my 140hp ninja 1k can certainly open up on a nice straight no problem. My GS though makes a similar peak HP figure but the torque makes it absolute bliss for road driving.
love the post it idea, old skool like me
Wjat would you say is a bike or two that make you giggle on the street and are worth the price? I’m in the US. Love your videos. I’m only on the street.
Such a great review. I am so grateful.
Hmmm, I had the 2010 version and paint was thin back then too, BMW needs to learn.
Same with suzuki
I recon I'll just aim for a 2015 re, more than enough as I'm coming off a busa
I never tried one, but rumors saying 2 new features made to bmw latest bike but unsure which species😉. Does this s1000rr have above said for :
1. stabilty-levelling with no nose dive if hard front braking?
2. Throttle-auto-close if front hard braking?
Just curious u not mentioned them or the features not in there.
I love its idling engine sound.
To Every motor video journalist. This is how it should be done. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾✌🏾
This or R1?
Great review. Question for you, what's the undershirt your wearing and what's your thoughts on it.
really good stuff man thank you good review !!!
You say it's not a 20k bike.. I plan to buy a used m sport where someones put everything on and decided they dont want it.. only problem is I only like the grey.. I'd pay 20k then.. I love the heated grips, sat nav, cruise control, and tyre pressure indicator.. also its rapid.. great review thanks..
Love it! M.N. knows!
What a fantastic video. Very informative and I massively respect your opinion.
I sure u had fun on the NC500 😁 I think I see u in Aviemore when Harley Davidson was on it was u??
Love the postit note concept =)
Carbon fiber rims CRACKING!!!!!
The only thing I enjoyed heavily about this 17' year FZ-09 I have, in the electronic rider aid suite, is the ABS sensors make gearing changes possible without a speedo recalibration. Do the electronics work? ABS, yes, too good, let ME slow down, turn it off. TCS, yes, always off though, use it like a valet feature or buddy bike. Throttle map power modes, meh, redundancy. This BMW just feels like another pond reflection of these digital intrusions to the motorcycle experience, which is doing no favors to helping grow motorcycle volume sales or enthusiasm if you ask me. I did, thoroughly find this review less than dull, Danke.
Retiring anytime soon? Would love your job!
Ace. No nonsense appraisal:)
Great way to review it.
Terrific summary. Cycle world's recent superbike group test reckoned the bmw's throtle/response felt a little remote or indirect. Even on euro bikes (US specs being severely limited), Would you agree?
Excellent review.
Neeves would you get the new R1M over this?
New front brake lever and new can price straight up. Okay did you drop it?
Great review! My only complaint is the fit and finish is and looks cheap. All the black plastic bits loom like recycled plastics.
I've seen several reports now saying its one of the best bikes, if not the best, to ride, but the reliability (of BMW in general) is not good, failure rates far above the Japanese bikes and down there with Indian and Moto Guzzi. Just wondered if you had any issues with the long termer or if anyone else has had any major issue? Asking not to slate the BMW, but because I do like and am tempted once the lockdown had finished. Cheers. (Not bothered with things like fork seals, more so anything that is a major pain).
What would be an example of a smaller bike that would be more fun on the road?
Great review, I just totaled my 18 RSV4 RF. Im on the mend for 3 months dammit. I was trying to pass an ass w/ no track time, he had a sloppy line that threw me off the rd and mountain. Split my pelvis in two had to be helicoptered back. Incredibly insurance is giving me 26k back!! Ill be on my R3, then Daytona prior to buying my new 1000 and im looking at the RSV4 1100 FW. Healing sucks. Never ride that close to anyone w/out track time... lesson learned. But I can fucking WALK!!! (not supposed to im locked into a wheelchair for another 3 weeks. Ill tear it up in PT! ;)
Michael, can you share some details on the tail bag you used? I have a hard time finding it. Thanks a lot in advance!
As a track bike... would you take it over the Honda fireblade and Yamaha r1?
Anyone know the cost of the ShiftCam service? Is it like the Desmo service? $1800 ?
would you choose this bike or a new Honda 1000rr? please help me. they are both Excellent bikes :-)
Wait a year or 2 for them to sort out the recalls then should be good.
Excellent.
Hi Sir, can you talk more about tire life and corner speed?
Honest guy
why can't these sport bikes have comfortable seats? does it impair performance? i just don't understand why they always gotta have those hard seats...
So if you would not spend your own money on it for a road bike, what would you buy instead?
Is that delivery date world wide or just the UK
In my country the bmw is 4000£ cheaper than the Ducati V4 so i'd take the bmw any day.
cool idea with the sticky notes
Any engine starting problem in cold day or in winter.