Mig-27M In War Thunder: A Detailed Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ส.ค. 2024
- Taking a look at the Mig-27M, along with it's new TV and Laser guided weapon systems. This was a very difficult plane to review, and I had to cover a lot of aspects of not just the plane itself but how it fits into the game.
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Fun fact: If you designate a spot on the ground via ccrp mechanics (ie activate/deactivate target point under controls/weaponry). This slaves the TV view to that location for TV view guided weapons. It REALLY reduces the time you waste trying to slew the camera around in TV to start scanning for a target to lock.
I think one of the biggest problems in War Thunder is the lack of variety - in missions.. We need bigegr maps, with more ground targets, spread out.. Over longer time.. RB is too Arcadey at the moment.
I'd say even beyond that, the gameplay needs to put much more focus on CAS. Let's take a game like Heliborne for example, war thunder can borrow ALLOT from its mechanics. Tanks leave from a base in waves and move to the next, and if they make it they capture it. This happens multiple times over the course of a game. Something like respawning and moving convoys of ground vehicles that capture multiple ground sites over the course of a game would be really fun to me.
I would say that's only an issue with air rb at top tier. New modes would be really nice though. Would love to see a mode where you have to escort bomber formations
Atleast the new update introduced 3 big maps with some different gameplay.
@@aderror6035 there used to be an event years ago called Guardian Angels, basically Mustangs protecting bombers against the infamous 262 but that was years ago
No mission editor for anything aside from air units, no ability to test top tier vehicles that aren't premium, but most of all, SILVER LIONS AND RP
"Downside: no radar"
It never had one. The MiG-27 (and by extension the earlier MiG-23BN for which it was derived) replaced the MiG-23's Sapphire radar *With* the TV guidance system and some other ground strike specific avionics. It all played into being suited for strikes, CAS, etc. as you mention in the video. Does it suck? Sure but it's actually some appropriate "realism" for once lol
I won't comment on the BR and tiers and stuff because that's been a mess in WT for a while now. :P
Considering that they gave the French F-8 the IRST, I honestly half expected the Mig-27 to get a radar. As you pointed out, it didn't have one in real life.
@@TimsVariety Somebody pointed put in that video that the F-8E(FN) probably started with the IR sensor from Vought, but then had them gradually removed in the field. I'm inclined to believe that; this wasn't like the UK F-4's where they had to modify the airplane for native requirements. The French bought them 99.9% identical to the US (save compatibility with the R.530)
Since radars barely work ingame i doubt it matters much,
What you’re referring to about the guided bombs is the guided bomb “basket” (technically that’s only for laser guided bombs but there isn’t much of a difference in WT).The issues is warthunder doesn’t tell you the size of the basket for your speed and altitude. War thunder has an issue that it would require a rework of its augmented reality bomb sight and I still have no idea how they would implement the controls smoothly. War thunder sadly isn’t very well suited for this kind of mission profile without drastic changes to the mission format. A plane like the Mig27 would be following a small flight of fencers with SEAD missiles with fighter cover and that just isn’t going to happen ingame.
You made a good point there. A vast majority of multiplayer games (not just WT or games of such genre) only suit a certain profile of weapons - those intended for hit and run. While hit and run may sound like an oblique and nebulous term, real world weapon systems designed by professional militaries require coordination between different unit types, and thus suit mission profiles as you pointed out about Su-24s leading the SEAD package.
So unless the mission format changes where the consequence of losses are carried over into the next mission - specialised weapons will not find much relevance in battle royale games.
Not much has changed in popular multiplayer format since the days of Counter Strike/Team Fortress/Unreal Tournament.
man seeing the game now makes me realise how much it improved in 2 years. the addition of custom loadouts, general ui improvements and so much more.
A TH-cam named Hunter, a master of using CAS in ground RB, has a few videos showing effective use of the smart weapons in game. No doubt though that it take a lot of practice to utilize well, but it can be done and can be quite effective when done right. One trick I noticed he uses to limit his time in the TV targeting mode is that he CCRP designator in third person so that when he switches to the TV it’s already pointed in the general direction of interest. I also was wondering why they didn’t classify this thing as a strike aircraft, but air rb really isn’t the best environment for trying to do CAS missions in the first place, it’s more like 12v12 dogfight (furball) simulator. I wish top tier air rb had smaller team sizes, maybe 6v6 or 8v8 max (a bump in rewards would be necessary too), it would give more freedom to chose how to play all these advanced vehicles.
Hunter makes anything work. But that doesnt mean the mig27 is good. Everything he did in the mig27 video he could do with US jets (Phantoms, F5s, A7) using mavericks, and have a hell of alot easier time too.
@@HAPPYFUNTIMEx2 well yes consider that all the soviets plains will kinda suck because irl they did too, they can maybe balance around that but not to a huge extend.
From memories of soviet pilots, MiG-27 did have reputation for complexity, so I guess Gajin really pushed realism on that department.
A lot has changed since this video war recorded. Mig27 got more flares and I actually have more success in it than in Mig23mld when it comes to shooting down planes.
Otherwise very good review, love your vids!
I disagree with your take on the 27 in ground RB. I have a ton of success with it as a close air support plane.
My tactic is to immediately climb to 10km above the AO and circle until I spot a target/s. I then kill the throttle and pop the air brake and enter a nearly vertical dive as slow as possible. AA has an extremely hard time spotting you like this. Next I hop into the TV more and can typically get both missile off and even sometimes still have enough time to squirt some 30mm before pulling out of the dive and escaping at tree top height. You can either head to base to rearm or use your R60’s to take out enemy planes.
I'm really thinking this guy's got a skill issue with it cuz compared to yeah maybe other tech trees top tier planes. This seems pretty good for Russia
These are easily my favorite WT review videos, thanks for making them
i love the 27 the brrrt is unstoppable
Oh if the A-10 gets added at some point... >:)
@@kylebrady969 IT WOULD GET SHIT ON
@@quantumedits272 okay
But the brrrrrrtttt tho
@@kylebrady969 yh that would be legendary lmao
@@kylebrady969 MiG-27M shoots faster then A-10 but has no ammo :(
Honestly l, really happy I found this channel! Great videos man keep it up you are so close to 2k!
Wow you make really nice War Thunder analysis, got my sub!
its pretty chill in sim even with mouse aim. The guided rockets and such make it a great ship and carrier hunter. and the Bomb sight is great for base hitting. Its really my first time tryin sim out for more then a laugh and it was not bad, Used it to grind my 27s payload unlocks all the way from 100kgs to all the payloads and im still having fun. Its a 20k repair bill but it can make that back if you play it smart and safe
If I recall correctly the cannon actually have a faster rate of fire than the A-10's GAU-8 at full power. Unfortunately it have to be limited to the extent that it became a slightly worse version of the GAU-8 due to the afformentioned issues it brings to the plane itself.
Great review as always.
Honestly it is a blast to play it with squad mates in something like a Phantom or a dedicated fighter, I have noticed it’s RWR is very good. Usually I can tell my mates we are getting painted before their RWR goes off. Alone this thing struggles if you are caught with your pants down. In a squad that has good communication you can do a lot of good stuff.
I think this plane is perfect for air assault arcade games. Using R60m for head-ons against the bombers and rocket pods against the ground units and howitzers
As of now, the 27M is my favorite dogfighter, that's what it can do decently well, R-60M's plus a godly cannon XD
Technically MiG-23M is better dogfighter from what i can see... since it's an interceptor/fighter... you get radar and shit... and R-23
But now MiG-23MLD... that's straight up better in every way... so now for you MiG-23MLD is your new favorite dogfighter xD
In simulations it beat MiG-29 and test pilots compared it's perfomance to early F-16 Fighting Falcon
Also sadly gaijin nerfed MiG-23MLD by not giving it R-60M's.. but apparently it's so good you don't need them for now
But in real life it could carry R-73 xD and R-27 both of which will come to it at a later date to be announced
But R-24 in my brain should be comparable to R-60M so it can be like pseudo R-60M and replace it sort off since it has much loonger range and 25G's compared to R-60/M's 30G's...
I just unlocked mig 27 and i went into test flight. When i used the gun... i was just amazed, just like first test pilot... I Have never seen something like this on wt
50's-70's supersonic designs look so cool
If pulling the trigger isn't going to violently disassemble the aircraft, then I don't want to bother. If I wanted something with almost as much burst mass that actually worked, I'd fly the A-10
Your videos are awesome!
Gaijin didnt know that the TV for guiding L misiles and TV misiles is the same but gaijin is gaijin
It really isn't though. On soviet CAS aircraft SU-22, 25, 25T and Mig-27 the TV is for the TV sensors on the weapon. The laser ordinance is guided from the HUD. In the cockpit the pilot puts the moveable crosshair over the intended target and that is where the laser is pointing. On later aircraft it could 'point lock' so you could maneuver within a gimbal range after lock but i am not sure if this functionality was on the MiG-27. If anything, their modeling of laser as a targeting pod is wrong, but an error i expected given the average user is in 3rd person and not using the HUD as intended. What you are thinking of is western targeting pods such as lantirn and Sniper pods which are cameras with a feed into a cockpit screen. though it is worth noting that similar functionality also exists as with soviet using just the HUD. One of my biggest gripes with the Mavericks in game is the inability to slew the seeker head from the cockpit HUD.
@@hunterjones225 the su25t guide the laser and tv weapons trought the tv, old ones yes but didn't have a tv the su 25A and su 22 couldn't carry TV weapons. The first mig 27 versions didn't have a tv but since the first one with TV they could guide both things with the tv. taking into account that the M version is a simplify version of the K maybe yes but I would think that no because is weight that is only useful with a specific weapons and is a device that isn't extract all the potential, so this would be gaijin don't making well the things
@@hunterjones225 apart in this game what we have is the mig 27k with nerfed weapons and performance with the M in the name, becuse the M versions that came from the factory didnt have a TV, M version where modernize to K that including a TV
nothing wrong with your drawings! Thanks for those great videos!
i think they should learn some from the BD armory mod for KSP and make the TV/Laser guidance a picture in picture thing, it takes getting used to but it is easier to fly and operate the weapons that way
Grinding my 5th line for this rn, excited to use it in ground RB when I get there
ive found that with the kab 500s, its better to have altitude more than speed
Nice content
The Kh-29T is also incorrectly modeled. It has a more advanced seeker than the KAB-500. It can lock onto moving target. Also gaijin forgot to add the laser guided KAB-500L and KAB-1500L.
MiG-27M could not use laser-guided bombs
The klen sight can guide kh-25s therefore it can guide kab-500Ls because they have the same seeker.
Man, the same seekers do not give you the opportunity to direct 2 completely different types of weapons. The whole problem with Klen-PM is that it cannot lower the laser beam low enough. In typical LGB usage, at the time of the bomb impact, it is located under the belly of the aircraft, that is, in the dead zone. A more advanced laser targeting station capable of aiming the KAB-500L first appeared on the MiG-27K
brilliant!
This is also why this generation of attack aircraft generally have a back seater to do the designation tunnel vision work while the pilot flies.
All of this sensor fusion stuff is where WT starts hitting DCS. The solution in WT is the same as in DCS and in real life: make the aircraft cockpit actually useful as the default view and integrate all sensors into it. The Mig-27 has a little TV in the corner where it displays the TV guidance while you can still see ahead and around as you wish.
this thing is fun as hell to fly
I use ccrp target marker, i set it on target or battlefield and then when i go into camera mode it point in at the marker i set later
I think you should make new review of this plane.
how do you use the tv senser for the guided bombs?
Wpuld you talisman this or the su17m2 for grinding out the tree and future jets? Both can hit air and ground so im torn
I guess this goes faster? So maybe better?
I will never try and play this game again but these videos are great, keep it up
I like the mig 27m but the kab 500 rounds every time I go to the targeting site it won't Target even my phantom 2 is the same way I can't do it on it either ever since the update
I'm interested in you doing a video on the MiG 27K, and your thoughts on that now that it's been out for a while now
soon
Swedish barrel reviews anytime soon? I suggest the F model with 9B's.
I request an updated review or copy paste this review but edit in the information that Kh-29T on it can now track targets like a Maverick instead of locking on the ground and hope you hit the target/tank and it doesn't move... but now with update Ground Breaking they changed it so it can track targets/MOVING targets
they do track moving targets
I wish the zoom on the laser view was better. You cant see anything
I'm pretty sure it was just the strategic disassembly function
So in conclusion, manual guided missiles are Superior as long as you can guide them to the target while also maneuvering the plane.
Good day.
Hm I've gotten the Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-27M yet I've not gotten to play it yet (yay internet issues), but for me it's my first machine with the GSh-6-30 autocannon yet the third machine with it.
First being the Pr.1143 Heavy Aviation Cruiser Baku AI with 8× of them (I WANT IT in NF) an the second being the Pr.12412 corvette with 1× an is the only playable vessel with one atm, So if you wanna experience more then three seconds of firing get that Corvette.
Hm it's sad that due to how the standard ARB AF mode is structured it won't have a good time as an attacker an have a similar story in GF but hey we have this monster machine finally.
one of the best commentary channels for wt but my only complaint...arcade
I bet 27A will be available as premium vehicle in the next few patches
Maybe early MiG-23 with R-60M's or something... only when modern jets come in and Rank 8 exists with all fancy stuff like i guess F-18 superhornet.. or maybe scratch all that and have Rank 8 be mostly stealth jets
That's when you're gonna have premium MiG-23/27
Meanwhile the forums are still on fire because the Kh-29Ts are still missing their ability to track tanks
Update Ground Breaking gave them that
Besides i don't think it's missile but the plane that that caused no tracking of tanks... but idk
It's a shame this thing doesn't perform well in WT. It has a lot of cool and unique features that seem fun, but if you're just getting blown out of the sky every time you try to use those features, you're just gonna have a bad time.
how long to grind mig-27m without premium? How long did it took you to get it?
Without premium... i guess in less the 48h because for me best i can do with premium account only and no prem plane... i can get any new top tier plane in under 24h...
Man you need to bind the zoom in common controls, painful
Woohoo. Mig-27 go brrrt
Imagine designing a plane that cant sustain the gun it carrries and being proud of it.
You mean green marker right ? RIGHT??
Dumb bombs are also Fire-and-Forget :D
Basically just use dumb bombs and rockets. While all this laser and tv guided stuff is cool the regular dumb fire bombs and rockets are better for CAS and groundpounding. If you want a ground attacker get the SU-17 and you won't be disappointed.
эх, а я уже обрадовался что за марафон дадут хороший приз
lmao the guided bombs just suck against an area with good air defense coverage, especially ones with this poor range. Also they are guided munitions not "smart weapons" like you said in your intro. There is nothing smart about them, they are just guided. Maybe play the SU- 25T in DCS to get a feel for them. There you have a TV sensor or FLIR for target acquisition tho so its a little easier.
its pretty sad... i love the gun.. is the only reason why i want it..
fucking love the kill steal from the mig 21 in the beginning XD
so mig 29 next patch ?
If you've religiously grinded all the way through the Russian tree to reach this, then you have no problem with trigger discipline😂
Thank you for mentioning Sri Lanka. We would really like to have SLAF skin for MIG 27 and Kfir C7. We are a small but dedicated WT community and would like to see some SLAF roundels and insignia. For now atleast we have the SL flag. That's more than we get from many other games 🙂.
This video popped up in my recommended; and I have to say, im quite confused. Almost all of the "issues" the 27M has in the video aren't actual issues, some are just straight up falsehoods. Primarily in regards to flight and combat performance. Using manual controls for the wings gives *huge* boost to turning ability, not a minimal one. For weapons, you can get way more than 2 or 3 bursts out of the gun. ya gotta stop spraying with it, a short burst is enough. 90% of the russian fighters/interceptors follow this doctrine, trigger discipline is key. I will, however, agree that Gaijin has set this plane up to fail in its historical role(in air RB): 1) the game mode is not optimized for attackers to be useful in BRs above 7.3
2) no air spawn/wrong classification was definitely a mistake
Cont. (1/?)
*However*, there is reason behind Gaijin's madness; a high performance plane with potent and very capable missiles w/ an air spawn is a terrible idea (see Harrier GR.1 for more information).
Now as for ground strike loadouts/performance, the MiG-27 is fine. It has enough ordinance to kill a base or two or several AI units and still take AAMs. Yes, the guided weapons are quite trash, but hey, it's Gaijin, the cream themselves everytime an opportunity to make money arises. Which is exactly what these weapons are, a flashy, "cool" mechanic used to make people spend money on GE or premiums to be able to use them. (2/?)
Now im going to cut my rant short (sorry, sometimes i just cant help myself). But to finish this all off, id like to address your issue with a lack of radar. While yes, ordinarily this is a bad thing. For the MiG-27M, this is a very, very good thing. Since the MiG-27M has no radar missiles a radar has minimal use, therefore a radar lock wont benefit you much at all. More importantly, the lack of a radar lets you sneak up on opponents, and not necessarily from behind. Ive had great success by rushing the enemy team, flying tree top level where enemy radar has a ton of trouble picking me up, and forcing enemies into head-ons with the R-60Ms.
man's sitting here complaining about guided weapons being complicated and hard to use in wt and I'm just glad that as a dcs player I dont need to watch a 30 min tutorial to use these
This video is literally a carpenter wondering why his saw is not good as a hammer. A tool is only as good as its operator. The guided munitions are set up about as braindead easy as someone could ask for. you literally change to a mystical targeting pod camera that is mouse operated.
Someone missed the whole point. Why would u even use the smart bombs when the dumb ones do more damage and are easier to use and u can carry way more. Nice try doe
@@sinxsideways5900 in Air RB sure. When every target is static and tonnage is more important than capability. The hokie arcade CCIP sight helps as well. In GrRB or Sim however the PGMs allow for much more reliable hits. And complaining about the targeting systems as too clunky is just comical TBH.
@@hunterjones225 yea in sim i could see the usefulness for sure but keep in mind most of his viewers play air rb more than likely. Even in ground rb these have only marginally more use and as he stated if they moved which most likely they will bc its a player controlled vehicle then good luck
@@hunterjones225 Either you're trolling or don't know what CCIP is.
You're SAM bait if you use the TV/laser modes.
There is also a very extensive bug report on fixing the guidance systems that Gaijin is neglecting, probably because it'd make the 27M actually useful.
So basically the only good thing it has going for it is 30 mm. Everything else is disappointing and it is basically useless if enemy team has SPAA. Also why Gaijin put it on such award research branch. It has nothing to do with Yakolev and its not a jet bomber. Should have been folded with Mig 23 or something
IDK why them russkies named it Mig 27... should've named it Mig 23AM or BM, here M is for improved and A or B for attacker/bomber and or B to designate the next model after production ver.
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#vum.fyi
It's junk, a joke, flying junk wagon .
This thing is a copy of the advark
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