MiG-23M In War Thunder : A Basic Review

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  • @mortexic4939
    @mortexic4939 หลายเดือนก่อน +134

    In one flight, in a dogshit Mig-23M, our guy dunks an F-14 through a cloud, evades at least 8 missiles, gets a reversal on a kfir into scissors for a GUN KILL, takes out a F-4 trying to bounce his teammate, and sticks a clean landing. Hot damn.

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน +46

      You know, I had better matches with it while preparing this review, but that one match in particular really demonstrated most of the Mig-23's pros and cons in one sortie so it ended up being perfect to include. I ended up getting a 4th kill after flying back out in that match, but it dragged on forever.

  • @Thud105D
    @Thud105D หลายเดือนก่อน +151

    My favorite part was when the MiG-23 said “It’s Floggin’ time” and flogged the enemy team

    • @raihanrusli2720
      @raihanrusli2720 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      So how about the MiG-15 ?

    • @Thud105D
      @Thud105D หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      @ I also enjoyed when the MiG-15 said “Its…uh…umm, Its fagging time?” And kissed boys?

    • @CoolLink-Zelda
      @CoolLink-Zelda หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I liked it when the mig 25 said "It's boxbattin' time" and than foxbatted all over the battlefield. Truly one of the plane moments of all times

    • @shikikanaz4624
      @shikikanaz4624 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Reminds me of donuts video with the mld part

    • @Thud105D
      @Thud105D หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@CoolLink-Zelda 🫵😳 spelling error

  • @splabooshkey3343
    @splabooshkey3343 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    I remember absolutely clowning on F-14As in my 23MF back in the day when everyone was rushing to grind it, good times

  • @PaiSAMSEN
    @PaiSAMSEN หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    The MTI "update" really annoy me a lot.
    The common excuse for it was "it's really how the radar operate", which is technically true, except that I'm pretty sure the real one doesn't erase all tracked target off the scope the moment the radar switch between two mode, unlike how it work in WT. This result in the scope reset itself every time the radar pointed at or away from the ground, which is way more annoying than it sound. Basically, the way WT radar system operate turn one of the QoL feature of MiG-23 into a handicap.

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Yeah, it really wasn an absolutely monstrous nerf. The Mig-23MLD used to be one of my favorite jets - but now, since the radar got chopped .... not so much ....

    • @sealboyy6584
      @sealboyy6584 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      The "funny" thing is that, it's not even realistic, the MiG-23s IRL, this means 23M/ML/MLA/MLD, can switch between SRC and SRC MTI, but not as you think, there are four modes of MTI the MiG-23 uses, BMV, and BS1-2-3, BMV and BS-1 are the most filtered modes of radar search and use limited Doppler filtering and provide full filtration of passive noise and ground reflection, these modes on the MLA and MLD are so filtered they might as well be PD modes of tracking (not search, that stays with MTI), and they are used under 1.5km, with around 30 km max for tracking.
      BS2-3 are less filtered and can be used at moderate altitudes for ground mapping.
      There is another mode that isn't really MTI and that is BSV, this mode is a Pulse mode and has little filtering, this is the mode that is used over 1.5km and has around 60km tracking and 90km for searching.
      All of these modes can be selected by the pilot through the radar control panel in the cockpit, so the "update" the MiG-23s got is pure bullshit and should 100% be reversed.

    • @Kijby
      @Kijby หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@sealboyy6584 Report it-although gaijin will probably ignore it.

    • @sealboyy6584
      @sealboyy6584 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Kijby I would, the problem is that the manual for this info isn't readily available, I know these things because we have just a few pages of information, not the full source, this manual would include the Sapfir-23ML/MLA/MLA-2 and MLAE, for the 23ML/MLA/MLD, and MLAE.
      Problem is that the only manual I know that exists for these radars is on a Russian version of eBay and the price is 300€ so probably not gonna have it ever.
      Without the main source I can't really provide a good report that Gaijin would actually read and pass on to the devs.

    • @mangosuppe8706
      @mangosuppe8706 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Another thing is realistically it could also use MTI at +6 degrees vertically not -1 degree vertical as it is right now

  • @Wombat343
    @Wombat343 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    I miss the floggers before they nerfed the mti

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      That really was an enormous crit from the nerfbat.

    • @atvkid0805
      @atvkid0805 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      they nerfed all the soviet jet flight models bc god forbid soviet planes can dog fight which is what they are known for

    • @kizvy
      @kizvy 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@atvkid0805 they nerfed it because it was heavily overperforming lmao

    • @atvkid0805
      @atvkid0805 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@kizvy no it wasnt

    • @kizvy
      @kizvy 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@atvkid0805 yes it was, lmao. please tell me how this correlates to RL.
      before nerf:
      16 deg wing angle (Wings angle set manually to 0%)
      Mach / G
      0.4 - 3.73
      0.5 - 5.62
      0.6 - 7.33
      0.7 - 8.93
      45 deg wing angle (Wings angle set manually to 50%)
      Mach / G
      0.4 - 3.25
      0.5 - 4.65
      0.6 - 6.17
      0.7 - 7.56
      Meanwhile in real life this is how the MiG-23ML performs in these conditions:
      16 deg wing angle
      Mach / G
      0.4 - ~2.8G
      0.5 - ~4.65G
      0.6 - ~6.15G
      0.7 - ~6.95G
      45 deg wing angle
      Mach / G
      0.4 - ~2.8G
      0.5 - ~3.75G
      0.6 - ~4.65G
      0.7 - ~5.6G
      source - mig 23ml manual.
      now please, tell me how the old rates were anywhere close to the manual specifications

  • @jessicawinnefeld2967
    @jessicawinnefeld2967 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This guy was my first top tier, I was so excited to fly it and before it had it's R-60m's I was very disappointed. Thanks for covering off-meta stuff like this!

  • @hamishbernard8
    @hamishbernard8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I haven't seen anyone really mention it, but Tim. I miss, I MISS the intro music. I do not know why but I loved it so much hearing it before your review started. Even if just once, please put it in again. Another banger vid, thanks Tim!

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      People mention it, but unfortunately the old-style intro cuts viewer retention by a significant margin, and .. unfortunately .. that ends up mattering *a lot* for youtube's algorithms and stuff. :-\

    • @hamishbernard8
      @hamishbernard8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TimsVariety Completely understandable, *sigh* I'll just rewatch your old reviews as always

  • @RienRocks
    @RienRocks หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I’m newish to the Mig23MLA. Spaded it around 2 weeks ago.
    I already get very good matches in it, and I realized I’ve been sleeping on it as a US main… Until now.
    Really wished I could’ve used it back in its prime before the nerfs😮‍💨

    • @contemptordreadnought
      @contemptordreadnought หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I got the MLA literally 1 ray after it was nerfed

    • @thatguynk8044
      @thatguynk8044 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You should have seen it in the MLD vs f-4j says haha. The r-24 was borderline op. The only thing that came even remotely close was the j-7e but that was when the pl-5b had way to much acceleration so it still was not as good as it is now

  • @NicJJiac
    @NicJJiac หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The original review was the first video of yours I watched. It was honestly kinda strange to find a warthunder channel with a chill and "sane" sorta vibe to it. I remember bingeing the hell out of this stuff while recovering from various late 2020/early 2021 insanity.

  • @windmuhlenmann7741
    @windmuhlenmann7741 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i played the mig 23mf with so much pleasure and loved close engagements with it

  • @cannonfodder4376
    @cannonfodder4376 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The MiG-23M is even more fascinating when one considers how much work the Soviets put into trying to improve it from the M model onwards. Issues with spin recovery, weight gain, hydrogen embrittlement of the stainless steel used in the fuel tank bulkheads and structures for the swing wing boxes and so on; took a lot of effort to resolve and remedy. The M model really never satisfied and one gets the impression the MiG-23ML is really what they were hoping for from the outset.
    Still compared to the MiG-21's beggars can't be choosers, provided new tactical capabilities the VVS lacked compared to NATO and the F-4.

  • @ximiraxelo7375
    @ximiraxelo7375 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This cockpit just look awesome, this green tone illuminated with the red light just looks sick

  • @idiotgaming4701
    @idiotgaming4701 หลายเดือนก่อน

    its great to see newer versions of some of your older videos!

  • @slayo710
    @slayo710 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Happy belated Halloween Tim! Keep up the great work. Hope. The rest of your holiday season is great as well.

  • @bilalsadiq1450
    @bilalsadiq1450 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I remember trying to use this thing when I unlocked it a few months back. Thought I could use it to grind out most of the higher Soviet Jets without having to use the foldered MIG-23MLD. Boy was I wrong, the lack of R-24s and the very limited chaff was kinda irritating, and before I even spaded it I decided to just buy the MLD and redo the stock grind over again lol.

  • @alyxian_does_stuff
    @alyxian_does_stuff หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    i miss pre radar nerf mig 23, i used to get 6 kill games in my ML all the time

  • @RayMears82-s7g
    @RayMears82-s7g หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another cracking review!

  • @Leosedits-n1r
    @Leosedits-n1r หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great work again Tim!

  • @StinkeyDonkey
    @StinkeyDonkey หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love your videos, keep up the good work. But my OCD is kicking in with the titel and MiG being written MIg

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Good catch, thanks - fixed the typo.

  • @Rusted-studios
    @Rusted-studios หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Finally i fans a video that is not 4 months or 1 year ago this time 40 minutes

  • @goliath3413
    @goliath3413 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Also to be noted: IT BREAKS WINGS. Way more than MLD. Don't try any funny -G maneuvers. It will break at even -2, and sometimes if you pull while rolling.

  • @HeathenFitness
    @HeathenFitness หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My favorite plane when I had my Xbox last summer. I’d practice so much in the test range. Awesome game. Cant wait to get my Xbox back and start shredding the enemy.

  • @Samila009
    @Samila009 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Tim , God bless you 🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @SourYogurt09
    @SourYogurt09 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Attack the d point!

  • @lordrex2522
    @lordrex2522 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey Tim, do you think you would do a basic review of the Yak-9UT? I think it would be interesting to breakdown all three tactics for its cannon options especially with the 45mm APHE ammo addition.

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'll get to it eventually. The Yak-3 will probably be the first prop yak I cover.

    • @lordrex2522
      @lordrex2522 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @ Sweet, looking forward to watching them!

  • @Soccera0
    @Soccera0 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This video is showing up as members first. Is that something you changed or did TH-cam do something?
    Either way, this is another great video. Thanks Tim!

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I think thats normal, channel members get early-access for a few days to new vids.

    • @Soccera0
      @Soccera0 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TimsVariety Yeah, my comment was more about the members first badge, as it didn't appear on the Ho-229 review which I originally commented about. Again, thanks for the review!

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Soccera0 I think it only shows that for the first few days. I was comparing notes with a couple other youtubers and our general conclusion is that YT is .... aggressive .... in trying to push channel memberships, whether we want them to be or not.

  • @Pantsugrenadiere
    @Pantsugrenadiere หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have been playing a lot of MiG23 MF recently as i got a talisman on it
    From my experience it do be extremely fast and outrun stuff like MiG21 F5C and almost everything else tho it can be slower to accelerate sometime so you will need sometime to make them overshoot as they might catch out to you before you build enough speed to outrun them
    Also for the R23R in rear aspect, shoot only at around 2km-1,2km, as 3km the missile might not reach the start even if the lock is maintained and under 1km it might not track as the missile as a 2s delay before starting to track (sure it's not great but i do prefer carrying tho over 23T or other AAM as it do be a nice trick, most people either don't expect a MiG23M/MF to carry radar missiles and/or don't have chaff, allowing me to get kills that i would otherwise failed to get with IR missiles)
    Finally for countermesure, bringing chaff is not recommended, perhaps if you try high alt radar missile against stuff like F8 maybe but the plane isnt made for that and more advanced radar missiles Wont care about your couple of chaff so better only carry flares. Usually i rarely run out of flares as most missiles can be defeated with just one and with your speed you can get out of range easely enough, just be very careful about A10A/C and su25bm/39 as AIM9L (and especially M) as well as R73 can just ignore your 12 flares, to deal against those threat i adive to go head on and either use guns or if you can use R23R
    That's pretty much all i have to say, personnally i love playing it, really fun plane to play and at 11.0 you're safe from horrible stuff like F14s or planes that completly shit on you like F16s which is why i love the 11.0-11.3 br

  • @nmcmm8341
    @nmcmm8341 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good job Tim. U are best...

  • @Hadgerz
    @Hadgerz หลายเดือนก่อน

    These are just delicious to snack on in SB 11.0 days since the flogger flight model nerf.

  • @Fffffffffffffffffrfrf
    @Fffffffffffffffffrfrf หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would be great to have an episode on the italian G55/56 series!

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'll get to them eventually.

  • @KaguyasBeat
    @KaguyasBeat หลายเดือนก่อน

    You know the flight performance nerf could be dealt with but the MTI nerf hurt all 23's severely. At least with versions carrying the 24R you can still maybe get something with them since their decent performance while also having a CW seeker, but I'm more likely to take the T's now instead just because of how finnicky the radar is to use now. One of those changes that you're left wondering why it wasn't the way it supposedly should've been all this time just for them to finally do so years later and claim "oh it's actually supposed to be this way :D"
    Thanks Snail.

  • @volatile5460
    @volatile5460 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sorry babe, can't make it, Tim uploaded a new video

  • @janusz4156
    @janusz4156 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ideal fighter to Ace Combat 8. 55 years of MiG-23 "Flogger" in 2022.

  • @Bean_guy2
    @Bean_guy2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    9:27 The WHAT?

  • @WTclips001
    @WTclips001 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi there, What's the difference between SRC and SRC IR? 1:12
    Also, How do i set RadarAltitude (RALT)? Thanks!

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I covered that in my complete guide to radar - the SRC IR is using the Infrared Search and Track system instead of conventional radar.

    • @WTclips001
      @WTclips001 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TimsVariety Oh thanks, i'l take a look there one day!

  • @AshenVanguard
    @AshenVanguard หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    In a perfect world, Russians would design planes, while Americans did the rest of the aircraft. Because goddamn, those Eastern boys make some of the best looking planes to ever reach the skies of our planet.

    • @fenixsortudo1906
      @fenixsortudo1906 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Imagine an mig-21 with the vulcan and the f-104 engine lol

    • @henrynagel7175
      @henrynagel7175 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Do not let Russians design planes, worst mistake of my life

  • @piscessoedroen
    @piscessoedroen หลายเดือนก่อน

    man this thing was so awful when it first dropped, on an update themed around itself no less (literally the icon for the update) you can fly the F-4C and still dunk on it if you dodge the R-60M. i was one of the few people that stuck with her until the next major update that actually gives 23M a usable flight model. it was hell but it was fun

  • @aax960
    @aax960 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    idgaf about the turn rate nerf, but mti nerf? damn bro :(. anyways, well done and comprehensive as always tim!

  • @BlackHawkBallistic
    @BlackHawkBallistic หลายเดือนก่อน

    MIG-23M (Tim's Version)

  • @junyutan2172
    @junyutan2172 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Flew the mla first time in a while few days ago the mti change to the 23s is stupid af

  • @yuno1707
    @yuno1707 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you make a review for the new British Tornado GR.4?

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน

      It'll be on the list once the update goes live.

  • @Lykas_mitts
    @Lykas_mitts หลายเดือนก่อน

    Funnily enough, the only model of MiG-23 I've flown outside of the BN. And I actually liked it.
    Maybe it's bad, maybe it's one of the worse MiG-23s. But hey, I've only had experience with the one interceptor model.

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've got a review up on the BN, its a totally different playstyle with its own pros and cons.

    • @Lykas_mitts
      @Lykas_mitts หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TimsVariety Agreed! I've spaded both a long while ago; on some level a bit of a pity looking how the MiG-23 has progressed over time but yet it still performs faithfully I find.

  • @GNOLXOEKIM
    @GNOLXOEKIM หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Itchy for the F18

  • @horathama-t5g
    @horathama-t5g หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    hey can we use IRST with R60m

    • @sealboyy6584
      @sealboyy6584 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, you can.

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน

      The R-60M supports slaving, yes.

    • @horathama-t5g
      @horathama-t5g หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TimsVariety thanks

    • @horathama-t5g
      @horathama-t5g หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sealboyy6584 thanks

  • @pandoranbias1622
    @pandoranbias1622 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This plane has been suffering for so long.

  • @francoiscristof3535
    @francoiscristof3535 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a problem, when I use the r23r the two red circles flash, is this normal?

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Short answer, yes.

  • @generalgreninjaandknockout4182
    @generalgreninjaandknockout4182 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Could you review the new viggen on the dev server (premium for Sweden 13.0 apparently)

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don't have access to it, unfortunately. It'll get a full review at some point after the patch drops.

  • @beemovieisgood5927
    @beemovieisgood5927 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does any one know if it true that gaijin is gonna remove the fw190 d13 premium pack? I saw someone talking about it but they gave no extra details.

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน

      They made a news post on the website listing the premium packs they're phasing out.

  • @magicmissile7533
    @magicmissile7533 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Are you using the manual sweep in the video there for demonstration purposes? Cuz using that sweep at 100% is gonna be killing your performance at those subsonic speeds, might aswell just use auto and put it on 0% manual when dogfighting

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, but in most of the situations where I keep the wings back its because I'm not intending to do any real maneuvering. When I slow down to turn, the wings go forward, I thought that was fairly obvious.

  • @lordwintertown8284
    @lordwintertown8284 หลายเดือนก่อน

    G'day Tim, Hmm question is it the mic or is your voice different than usual (sickness maybe or a dry mouth) or is it just my end?
    Anyway ahh the MiG-23M, an aircraft I want to enjoy but the aircraft around make it annoying to use (imo), at least the chezh colour scheme looks glorious on it.

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It was a little raspy while recording, I had spent about six hours on the phone that day for my dayjob.

  • @NickyDusse
    @NickyDusse หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    nice

  • @thatKQ
    @thatKQ หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well, i for one dogfight in this thing and it's not that bad

  • @wonkagaming8750
    @wonkagaming8750 หลายเดือนก่อน

    swiss hunter video?

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Already have one up

  • @steffent.6477
    @steffent.6477 หลายเดือนก่อน

    And now it costs 60 bucks on the market^^

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Only the ML I think, this was the tech tree Mig-23M , but really the ML is pretty damned similar.

    • @steffent.6477
      @steffent.6477 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TimsVariety ML is the better premium. I was refering to the german event Mig-23M which is anexact copy of the TT version.

  • @jacknickolstine3355
    @jacknickolstine3355 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I cant stand those rear view mirrors in those rus jets. Idk how many times iv lost my target because its in the way.

  • @podcastler
    @podcastler 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    just skip it. Worst soviet 11.0 ever. Use mig21bis or mig 23mld

  • @nawrasteaches5206
    @nawrasteaches5206 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just want to know how to play and you spent more than 2 minutes talking about useless history that does not help me know how to play it. Why is history relevant here? It's a game just speak about how to play this group of pixels called MiG-23M.

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I mention some historical context for the vehicle to help explain *why* it performs the way it does, and has the weapons it has. This plane in particular got a bad rap when it first came out because everyone tried to use it like a dogfighter, without any real understanding of why you can't use it like an F-16. People thought gaijin broke the flight model, "its dogshit", so on and so on - when in fact, it was just never a turnfighter out IRL and they modeled it in the game to reflect that. Providing some historical context avoids let-downs and misunderstandings.
      But either way, I know some folks don't care, and thats why there are timestamps to skip ahead.

    • @nawrasteaches5206
      @nawrasteaches5206 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @TimsVariety well... I didn't expect a reply but I got to say I'm new to the game and want to know how fire the rocket and from which angle or sth. How far away and things like that. Sorry if I made you feel bad bro. It's just I checked five other videos and they all say just the same. History.
      I only need someone to tell me how to configure the keyboard, how to lock and fire.
      But again sorry for my comment and maybe in the future I might have a different perspective about the importance of knowing the history of the aircraft.

    • @TimsVariety
      @TimsVariety  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nawrasteaches5206 No worries dude, it didn't sound rude or anything. :-)
      I have longform tutorials on my channel for both radar/irst/rwr operation, and air to air missiles - if you're new to high tier, check these out, its exactly what you're looking for.
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