Is God's Law Written on Our Hearts? | Christian vs Atheist
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ย. 2024
- This is a response to @inphilosophersgarb8099 regarding god's law and whether or not it has been made easily accessible and known to all people.
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The Bible says that _"no one knows the mind of God"._
Yet Christians will tell you all kinds of things about his wishes, traits, goals & what he wants you to do.
Exactly. Whenever you point out some of the absurditkes, it's Whoa, whoa! Who are you with your finite insect brain to question god?!
Where in the Bible is that written? I'll wait.
1 Corinthians 2:11-16, Romans 11:34.
@@ThroneofDavid8Looks like your wait is over.
@@jmparker78 Thanks.
Much.
Cue "for the Bible tells me so" jingle.
@@NSOcarthI think OP was being sarcastic yo. But that was an interesting read so thanks
I love it when Christians cherry pick the OT when it's convenient...
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They can't read the FILTH in there to people. I mean really imagine a non dupe getting told about all that GENOCIDE done by YWH to children babies, babies in the womb, animals, insects, FIRST BORNS. YWH COMMANDS to do to THE CITIES, STEAL LAND. YWH COMMANDS to take INNOENT WOMAN and CHILDREN. WHAT FILTH. SLAVERY LAWS, STONE LAWS, COMMANDS you to be a EUNCUH. Woman are UNCLEAN each month, and when they have children, sell your daughters. Eat your own flesh and that of your children. It get's more DISGUSTING. Hey DUPES READ ALL THIS TRASH TO PEOPLE.. THEY WON'T
I never realized how often Jesus quoted the Old Testament until I got my MacArthur annotated Bible. Paul quoted it a lot too. There's a lot of wisdom within scripture. It's very wise to NOT commit adultery for instance.
Oh but SLAVERY ALL KINDS of SLAVERY INNOCENT WOMAN AND CHILDREN, UMMMMMMMMMMMMM INNOCENT. GENOCIDE of BABIES, PREGNANT WOMAN, ANIMALS, INSECTS. That is but a LITTLE in this UNHOLY BOOK.. ARE YOU KIDDING ME.
God's laws are SO well written on our hearts, that Christianity has spontaneously sprung up in exactly ZERO places outside of the Middle-East until missionaries arrived with Bibles in hand.
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Good point!!
Include the non-biblical (yet always preached) fake concept of Hell , & now ya' have a twisted distorted mangled message to deceive & trap the minds of men
Please don't confuse "Christianity" with God's sacred spiritual laws.
@@Avendale "Please don't confuse "Christianity" with God's sacred spiritual laws." I'll make a deal with you: I won't confuse "missionaries" with "spirituality".
I'm not sure I even know what "God's sacred spiritual laws" are.
"Kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." Child r@pe: Is that a sacred spiritual law?
"Each man go back and forth through the camp, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor." Is that one of the sacred spiritual laws?
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves." That one is _definitely_ a sacred law, no?
Exactly! Also if it was well written in hearts, why did the ones who was scattered from the Tower of Babel had nothing to do with Bible God? A God that was supposed to be the truest one that time? Why stories continued only in Middle East? If those scattered had it in their heart, whole wide world should’ve been Bible believers world by that era, isn’t it? And this Bible god didn’t even care those scattered, no record about them😅if this God cared, there should’ve been many languages of his word by that era😅
As someone who was raised with this crap? I can't even begin to express my level of appreciation over your content
so happy you're here :)
100% agree!!
I'm glad you freed yourself!
@@jezebelvibeswe're so happy you're here making these videos🤗, I've been saying the same things you have been saying in your videos for years👍
I freed myself from the destructive nonsense of religion around the age of 23. Now at 68, I hear the moronic stuff this guy is saying,knowing that I myself spewed it at one time. A great spiritual teacher named Eckert Tolle calls this state of mind “unconscious” . My own unconsciousness did not only apply to religion, but also helped make me quite a homophobic asshole. I am so glad that someone like this young lady has taken the time to unravel the Scriptures in the light of reason and so clearly expose what nonsense it is. I must confess that I am also highly inclined to like her just because of her personality, and the fact that she looks like one of the greatest actresses of all times, Sally Field.
Christians don’t seem to understand that the Bible doesn’t mean anything to those of us who don’t believe it. The Bible means about as much to me as the Quran means to the average evangelical Christian.
I got an islamic ad in the middle of the video.
And one is trying to convert people in the comments section.
christians also missed this important fact... jezus died for our sins... no more need for all the religious bs, sin is out, jezus is dead... it's that simple... I'm going to try that on the next religious person telling me about jezus...
"Christians don’t seem to understand that the Bible doesn’t mean anything to those of us who don’t believe it."
@JennyLovesWillRiker Some folks roll their joints with the pages too---it makes you choke and nearly die--must be how toxic the message is...
@JennyLovesWillRiker😂
If your best argument is that "my book says so", you don't have much of an argument
For me, no argument at all.
@rboland2173 wait, that was tongue-in-cheek, right? Please read up on Poe's law. ;-)
yes how does anyone not notice that one. Hey be a EUNUCH for YW,H. Give away all that you own, Hey he said ask YWH for ANYTHING. Have to LAUGH at it ALL.
"You can't criticize the bible, because the Bible says you can't!" 😁
makes sense!
The bible proves itself! Didn't you know that?? 😂😂
@davidchess1985 says: *"You can't criticize the bible, because the Bible says you can't!" 😁*
Where in the bible does it state that?
@@Thrillin_Chillin_Drillin says: *The bible proves itself! Didn't you know that?? 😂😂*
The bible doesn't prove itself it interprets itself, the bible tells us everything that we need to know so we don't have to interpret it.
We just need to rightly divided it as stated in 2 Timothy 2:15.
@danielblair4413 It leaves out proof so how can you say it tells us everything we need to know?
When defenders of Christianity exert themselves in their convoluted (read unconvincing) arguments, it always really boils down to the bumper sticker : “God said it, I believe it, that settles it.”
As the street preachers say, "Read the bible, believe the bible, obey the bible".
From what I understand the only thing mr./Mrs. deity, wrote them self was the 10 Commandments. The rest was revealed to men in their dreams for them to regurgitate and dictate to us. If there was an all powerful being that wanted to communicate with us why is it does it have to be in Morse code translated from ancient languages. And left to be split apart in multiple religions. Write that shit in the sky for everyone to see. Then that’s believable.
@vincenttolliver1663 yup. If God can do miracles that's an easy solution: write the rules in the sky, and if God really is All Powerful, every human being on earth should be able to look up and see those rules and comprehend them as God intends.
That isn't remotely true. The objective value of God's law is self evident. Show me any society where the people live in violation of God's law and praise the violation as being morally just and sound. Don't worry I'll wait.
It's not the Chinese, not the Russians, not the Americans, not the Brazilians, not Indians, not Vietnamese, not Japanese, not Canadians, go for it...
@@sasoriko
All of those countries have people who do not keep the sabbath holy, and it isn't illegal. All have people who eat pork. All have people who do not hold the jewish deity above all other deities and it isn't illegal to worship idols.
Show me the countries using the identical definition of old testament murder.
America does not make it a capital crime to dishonor your parents, and legal for a father to kill hia children.
Which of those countries makes it illegal to have any sex outside marriage? Which allow you to buy slaves from the tribes around them?
Prove you know biblical law first and then we'll talk hon.
If God was truly good and he truly wanted to have a relationship with me, he wouldn't have made it such that my painstaking best effort to come to know him and to believe in his existence, results in me being legitimately convinced that there is no good reason to believe
This is a much better argument than the Bible is right because the Bible said so. Wholeheartedly agree, too.
Well said, Requinix17!
Exactly! Like He went to unnecessary lengths to conceal Himself. I like to say that the requirement for faith is redundant since He could've made Himself absolutely self-evident (note I'm not implying visibility) and people will still choose to flout His rules while some will obey much like criminals choose to break the law despite full knowledge of the consequences like jail time or execution. The concealment is unnecessary.
Do you really want a relationship with someone that has such massive anger and self control issues that the God of the Bible has? Not to mention his acceptance of PDFilia by kidnapping young girls during war, his orders to exterminate races of people he doesn't like, etc.
You must have a very calcified pineal gland from chemtrails and poor food of aluminum cans and caloric but no nutrition foods. Maybe you have no filtration on your home water to clean out the chems and nasty floride and medical waste, etc, that's poured on us that people cook with wash their food in and ice their drinks and bath in. Bathing and consuming internal floride people , dumb your brains and calcifies your pineal gland.. Chemtrails are multi metals causing our population Alzhiemers and cancer. All this planned to sicken you, dumb you, and take your ability to intuitive and spiritual soul contact.
The 2030 goal started by agenda 21 is to stupid and disease the people while stopping the Spirit connection all through chemicals and pushing body mutilation and sex trafficking etc. Black and white people are the main goal on the list to be eliminated.
If you're calcified, you lose abilities all life types have.
Animals, insects, and even plants have a type of connection. The 20th century changed our health for the very wealthy to control us, and cattle call us. One top priority is to take our faith and health. Men over estrogened by beer and crap food so they think less logical and crybaby . They are weaker physically and have 50% less testosterone than dad. There are tons of vaccines to sicken you to sterilize you . Eat bugs have nothing and be happy.
This plan started in the mid-1800s. They have been building on this to depopulate and destroy what we are. We are spiritual beings , born with a pineal gland to lead our nature. We are to be strong and healthy and viral. We have moved mountains by faith. Take faith away, masculinity and brains, sicken and cancer us with chemicals and vaccine poisons, we parish. When you are not calcified, you have the sixth sense operating in you awakening your spirit man. Your switch is off.
Unfortunately, corporate and politics are one. All led by the greed of royalty, billionaires and science being used against us. We are just cattle to narcissistic elite.
The goal is to take God away and create their religion. A total control of your life. You will be used and then tossed away when done. We are what they call USELESS EATERS. No beef for us. No nutrition and no sunlight. No ability to grow food to have real nutrition. No vitamin D from sun. Animals are smaller. Insects for balance is dying off. Trees in Ariel shots over the forests are brown on top dying. Ice caps on mountains are now polluted by chemtrails. This clouded cap holds heat in a bubble , causing the poisons to thin out carbon layer. Carbon dioxide is what plants need to grow. Plants make oxygen. We breath out what they need hahaa even animal and human gas feed the plants. All is balanced. In full circle we are created beings who knew God before we were sent here by birth to journey our years in good. God spoke to us before, and God calls us back. God is still in control. He will yank the chain in his chosen time. You can lose your way or even be controlled by the worst. We have free will. If you can't hear him or only hear opposing in your conscience, why? Look into you. The shit is hitting the fan.
The pineal gland is a small endocrine gland located near the center of the brain. Since ancient times it has been regarded as being important for spiritual insights and “coincidently” is situated behind the 6th chakra, which is regarded as our doorway to intuition and higher consciousness.
After I deconstructed, I told a friend that many Christians believe that looking at trees was enough to know that there is a god so that's why they believe it's okay for people to go to hell. And he looked at me like I was crazy and I said "I know, that's why I'm not a Christian anymore. I hear it now." To steal a Christian phrase, I once was blind but now I see.
My my, @@Mar-dk3mp, aren't you a miserable vindictive little bull$hitter.
¿Have you really convinced yourself your own mental/emotional ideas about "God" are real?
Doesn't sound like it.
You may have gotten your mental/emotional ideas about "God" from the Bible but YOU are still the creator of those ideas.
Just about everyone who has achieved anything of true spiritual value went through an atheist phase. They had to in order to drop their own prior silly misconceptions.
Anyone as firmly addicted to their own ideas (whether they believe they're scripture derived or not) as you doesn't have the slightest clue about spirituality.
btw, A person doesn't have to be a theist at all to be spiritual.
Becoming an atheist simply means you question bull$hit beliefs and require Truth.
At some point you have to decide to stop living in the toilet bowl of your own ideas, and stop blaming the Bible for those ideas.
Paul has nerve! Why was Paul persecuting Christians, if God’s word was already written in his heart!
Also, why does Paul get a personal revelation from god but we have to take his word for everything? Why do we have to take Paul's word for anything? Dude wrote multiple times how it was okay to lie for the christian agenda. And we're supposed to believe he's a honest source?
and why should anyone believe that Paul saw Jesus when Jesus said to not believe anyone claiming to have seen him!
I’ve been thinking about that a lot. It seems like he just wrote all his nonsense to cop himself out of accountability of his actions. He’s just a coward Christians love.
Before Jesus, Paul only had natural understanding of Gods law. The spiritual law wasn’t written on his heart until after he received the spirit
@@marktravis5162 well Jesus said to not believe anyone claiming to see him as paul did
You Rock, Kristi! 💖 Please continue to share your honest, intelligent insights! 🤗
thank you so much! :)
Yes!
You were also honest. Honesty will make you leave religion.
Underated comment of the decade
1. God’s law is written on your heart.
2. The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?
Got it.
3. God created that deceitful heart.
4. GGs 🙂
Kristi, you have the patience of a saint especially to that smug apologist who is probably telling all his friends how he "owned" you.
Aaawwwhhh... yeah I can see that. He holds his faith. Yeah....
Well, his god states slavery is just fine.
as is GENOCIDE, INFANTICIDE, PEDOS, Yes what a LOVING SKY FAIRY.
So he’s high fiving one for god😂
I've worked in Cardiology for the last 27 years and I can unequivocally say there's nothing written on our hearts.
I've been looking for a cardiologist who'd looked and clearly said they saw nothing written on anyone's heart! Unless, maybe, it's something like, "Attach aorta here". I'd guess that'd be useful.
There is literal and figurative language
@@brucegordon5312, oh, I get that. But people make this statement with the confidence of something literally true. Then again, many of the people making these statements treat the Bible as literally true, too.
i was working on a sculpture a few months ago, poking at the clay testicles and i realised, as the model wasn't screaming in pain voodoo isn't real.
Lol very good!
kind of makes me sad that religious beliefs from the bronze age force intelligent, nice people like yourself to put so much time and effort into debating them. they don't deserve it, somehow.
Debating them convinces that they have reasons rather than rationalizations. William Lane Craig said you could knock down every reason and he'd still have the "witness of the Holy Spirit."
@@toddbonny3708 Sounds like the definition of stupidity
@@toddbonny3708 .
Ah yes, William Lane Craig who admitted when it came to evidence, he lowered the bar as far as he could.
Is the first century during the bronze age?
And YWH didn't meet it.
I'm so so happy to have found your channel!
Yes!
Thank you for this. I'm still struggling, at the age of 45, to expunge this toxic and self-destructive beliefs that were crammed down my throat by my abusive and neglectful fundamentalist Christian parents and the churches they went to. I have had decades of low self esteem because of these lies. I'm starting to unpack it now and come into my own. And part of that is realizing I'm someone else on the inside, and discovering this person, and transitioning to become this person, has been a powerful liberator. To be who I am and be true to myself means those lies they told me are just that, lies.
Glad you got FREE, People are such SCUMABS to shove this TRASH on people.
Sarah based, I resonate with you,
On the topic of the video, I think you really nailed it (pun intended) by asking, if God’s law is written on our hearts, how come what people say is written on theirs is so drastically different!?
@@DW-ok9bk oh silly, I only became an atheist after being a Christian for 30 years. And oh clearly don’t know Kristi’s story, nor did you apparently watch the video.
And no, sin is not the answer. The answer is that “god” is clearly not capable of giving everyone the same set of laws, so that whole thing about “god’s law written on our hearts” is just bollocks.
@@DW-ok9bk 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 “people who know the answer like [you].” 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
First you have to demonstrate that your supposed god exists. Then you have to demonstrate that Adam & Eve existed, & the Garden of Eden was real, etc etc etc, which you can’t. Because god isn’t real, Adam & Eve never existed, there’s no such thing as Original Sin, and there’s nothing in Genesis about “Sin’s Law.” Yes, I’ve read the entire Bible - that’s one of the main reasons I’m still an atheist after 20 years - so don’t try BSing me about it being in there.
So I was short of money, and I looked in the bible to see what to do.
I sold my daughter as a sex slave.
(And for anyone who doesn't get it, im obviously joking 😂)
Lmao 💀
LOL! Which biblical character did that?
@@abdul-kabiralegbe5660Not a specific character that I know of. It's a reference to the laws in exodus, or leviticus, or somewhere around there, about "if you sell your daughter, this is how much to charge and here are the rules for buying her back if the buyer isn't 'pleased' with her. Oh, and if she's bought for the buyer's son, here is how that affects things."
@@Isaac-hm6ih Thanks. No wonder it got slapped with the label of Old Testament by those eager to dissociate from all that!
Oh, Lot did want his daughters to be raped😮i wonder why did I ever pushed aside this disgusting Bible story and was thinking it’s okay to label Lot is righteous! Even the NT god will write in his book that his righteous😅what a ridiculous book it actually is😮
Christians: We know God’s standards of morality. He wrote them on our hearts.
Atheists: Then why doesn’t he live up to those standards?
Christians: He’s God! You can’t judge him by the standards of man!
Atheists: We’re not. We’re judging him by his own.
great one bud.
Kristi, as someone whose been on a deconstruction and deconversion journey, your videos basically sum up my entire experience.
It’s so encouraging to see that others are on this path. I love your break downs of the Bible studies we were taught throughout our lives as Evangelicals.
I’d love to see more content featuring these types of responses, including more mainstream and popular pastors like Craig Groshell, and Mark Driscoll as their audiences are vast.
Keep up the great work! ❤
Such well reasoned and thoughtful responses🎉. Your such a good representative of atheist ideas, keep it up! ❤
Thank you!
This guy is a Biblical robot thank you Kristi
All Christians can do is quote the bible. END!
When I was a Christian teenager our youth pastor said that if one backslides or apostasizes that they would become 7 times worse than before they were saved. Then of course there’s Romans Chapter One. I had doubts several decades ago that Christianity was real or god was real but the stuff I was indoctrinated with scared me so I took Paschal’s Wager. Well, seven years ago I left the faith and became an agnostic atheist. Well, I did not become worse, and I did not turn into a reprobate like Romans Chapter One said. I’m still happily married, I love my family, I work hard, and I’m a law abiding citizen. The Bible is just a bunch of myth and allegory written by ancient superstitious men. Thank you Kristi for your videos.
Well said!!!
It's more than myth and allegory, it's also a form of brainwashing and mind control, a means to manipulate the masses. It served the same purpose as fox news does today for those at the top of the food chain to manipulate the minds of those at the bottom.
@danmiller6462, those “superstitious” goat herders created a system/worldview that has billions past and present living in a matrix. A matrix so convincing that it drew you in. Those goat herders were either really awesome or just really relaying the truth.
@@whiskeredtuna When people are indoctrinated as children most people fall for all flavors of these things.
Yours isn't the only false world view, it's not the first, it's not original it's a spinoff, it's not the largest, it's also not even the latest.
Just one false world view among thousands that children are routinely indoctrinated into and which they all believe in so strongly once indoctrinated they will go to war over these campfire stories.
My husband and I are really enjoying spending our Sunday mornings watching your fantastic content. Thank you SO MUCH for your well presented videos.
For the first time in 48 years of asking these same kinds of questions..I am finally getting some answers that make sense. ❤
I love this 😊 so happy you're finding the freedom to ask the hard questions and explore your beliefs!
@@jezebelvibes Why do you think God is "required" to keep the laws He created for humans? If you are a parent, and you tell your child to not cross the street, does that mean you can't cross the street?
When I first started having doubts, and left the church, I got treated really badly by all those loving Christians. And that pushed me away even more, seeing how they treat others. It REALLY didn't help their case.
yes, first they love you, then they burn you. god morality at it's finest.
I had the same thing happen to me and continuously happen to me. I'm a proud White Witch (no Christians not out of spite for you or my Christian background I did this out of similarities towards both my hobbies and my certification as an RSS (Recovery Support Specialist)) I recently at a music festival got harassed by these religious people preaching all because I told them "Thank you but no thank you I am content as being a White Witch" and then they got really pushy and kept telling me I need to repent and my response was I did not agree with them about this and they got hysterical man! Even the crowd that had come in started to harass and bully me and I had half a mind to tell them "You think that that is going to change my mind? Because it didn't. In fact it turned me off more. You want to talk about love but you preach hate get it together man then come preach to me." I wish I did but my buddy already knew a mob when he saw it and he knew I am not one to back down but thankfully he did stop me because honestly it probably wouldn't have solved anything. They are set in their ways as much as I am and that's okay with me I just wish they'd be more loving towards others and compassionate. Religion took a lot from me and my family but I don't hate it all, I may disagree with a lot of it but not all people are ready to rip your hearts out either. We just need to plainly learn respect for each other. I got family and friends from all walks of life and yes we disagree on a lot of things but that's okay and we pretty much move on to something else because there is no point in arguing about something if the person has already made up their mind anyway right so why waste your breath on adding to it. It's just not worth it anymore and I wasted a lot of my time arguing with people as an ex Christian as well and I came to realize even then that it wasn't worth it and that I did not feel very good when I was.
@leafe-lu3jd Your kidding! I know black and white witches and ex witches. All of them believe in God. They chose his fallen one.
White magic is good right? No... its the baby step to a stronger demon at chosen time to approach you. It's pretty scary.
As a lifetime atheist I too love the back and forth, even if I've heard most of the arguments before, ppl will state things differently and put their own unique view onto their position and I do try my hardest to give religion a fair shake but I'm simply incapable of faith and believing without any proof. Still fun to think about though
Hey, Jesus makes it sound like there won't be much faith on earth when he would come back, but at the same time it sounds like there will be plenty of religion going on.
@@NSOcarth you make a claim with absolutely zero demonstrable evidence of that. The universe can always of existed just as you claim your god did.
@@NSOcarth what reasoning? How can you be SO SURE that you know how the entirety of the universe works? You are a small tiny person. Absolutely miniscule in comparison to the universe. We all are. And again, how can you not understand that just in the same way that you believe your god has always been, others think the exact same thing about the very nature of the universe. There is literally no difference except that my world view doesn't include some unknowable consciousness who has some weird need to create a planet full of animals that it watches but only manages after their deaths. All the while demanding things and actions of said creations but never coming out directly to them.
I have no way of knowing if either one of us is right. Ultimately I don't really care. But what I DO know is that it's not me or people like who go knocking on doors trying to make you think you're wrong for not seeing it my way. It's not me or people like me who demand everyone else live the way they believe is right. I'm not telling people that they're degenerates because they don't love the same way I do. I don't make excuses for slavery and ignore it from some book of fables I've built my entire world view upon. I don't tell women that they must birth children for just having sex. I don't view sex as immoral or wrong. I don't tell people they'll burn in hell for eternity because they believe differently.
I think the different world views are beautiful and complicated. I would never want to take away someone's faith, but when you make claims so sure that you have THE answer....... We've had THE answers for eons and somehow that answer continues to change. You believe in a singular specific god, not one of the literal thousands that have been believed in just as strongly throughout the ages.
@Kristi Burke, You are doing an outstanding rebuttal to this very weak argument! I love your style and calmness when trying to communicate your point. Best wishes.
As a former evangelical Christian who deconverted about two decades ago after 50 years 'on fire for god', I am now embarrassed by the arrogance displayed by fundamentalism. Ashamed because I am reminded that this is how I was. As a 76-year-old I want to encourage you, Kristi. Your humility and wisdom stand in stark contrast to the pompous pretend philosopher.
Yes, embarrassed by the arrogance. I hope I’m never on trial seeking leniency and see that an apologist is the judge. They’re so harsh and unkind.
"What the bible says and what people say it means and what I feel in my heart don't all agree, so I don't know what God wants!" "Nope, the bible says that it's all clear to everyone, so you do know, and that's the thing you have to do." 😉
Kristi- I am SO glad I found you. I'm having a real hard time (I lost my business during covid) and am possible losing my home. My family- who are saying- although it's not 'ideal' that I move down south again and live with them. I moved away years ago, to a big city, and started questioning my faith. That;s when they started pullling away- sometimes literally shunning me for years( !) When my brother (who didn't, btw, believe anymore- except a verse like the Golden Rule, ) committed suicide (he lived in a different city and suffered from MDD/anxiety and lost his girlfriend fro suicide too a month earlier) it (him) was barely mentioned when I was hyterical with grief. I felt like I was going crazy. Worse, I have a brother who's an evangelist- lovely. So my brother and I are 'demonically cursed'. If I question the literal interpretation I'm 'calling Jesus a liar'. I also had MDD and am so afraid I will have to move there (way down in Trumpland- who they also justify (???)) I won't make it. I am so filled with shame and guilt. They don't really care-even though they say they 'Love me" and sen some $$ no one has ever visited me- ever- or kept in touch. Now- I think- they feel i'm weak and they can move in and 'convert' me. Also- another thing- I became disabled and have/had a bad bone in my leg. I went to a very big,nice, wealthy Christian church to a food bank ( I had no money for food so I had guilt and figured I was 'doing wrong' and they would help. And, I'm not kidding, the biggest item they gave me to live on was a turtle cake (?!)) Yes- well maybe if I had prayed it would have turned into several or maybe something healthy that would have gotten me through for a month lol. I am so freaked out now- I can't move there but I'm not well.. I'll literally bite my tongue off! Oh- about my depression and other metal disorders- all demonic possession that God can take away,and yet, if they have so much as a finger cut (my brother and his entire-huge- family have all done very well financially from him being an evangelist- he would say 'blessed' but not me though & that's why bad things are happening to me) they run to the docormor hospital. Help!! I'm half joking- but really only half- I am scared.
"Give me money, and I'll confirm your most insane beliefs"
I also like hearing both sides show their work. This one fell flat on its face, per usual. When an apologist goes to the bible to prove the bible, my eyes and ears turn off immediately. That debate has been beat to death and it's a big goose egg. As far as the texts that he chose, they did not expand or explain a single law or where to find them. Texts that basically just keep repeating "oh, you'll know" in a dozen different phrasings is complete nonsense and goes straight back to the question, which none of those scriptures answered.
As a former Christian and Christian apologist (let's make sense of this intellectually kind of thing), I can understand that he believes he's making a valid and strong argument. I thought I made valid arguments. Then, through an expansion of my studies, I came to realize that there's no way to prove God or Christianity, no matter the denomination, without using the Bible as the authoritative source. AND, if the person you're making the argument to, doesn't believe the Bible is the infallible word of God, then your argument is dead in the water, without any hopes of resurrection.
What flipped the switch for you?
May I ask, when you were a apologist were you thinking you are INSPIRED by this God?
@utubepunk according to the post it's implied that one day they realized they were using circular reasoning, but it was only realized after expanding their studies, or getting out of that Christian echo chamber. Sometimes that alone can be enough to jolt them out of fantasyland. Looking forward to their response though.
letiuttich7235 - I would go as far as to say there is no way to conclusively prove God or Christianity whether one uses the Bible or not. That is not to say the belief isn’t evidence based but its definitely not conclusive. No one can conclusively prove nor disprove the existence of a creator. We all evaluate and draw a conclusion.
I don’t believe in Jesus Christ because of the Bible. In fact I haven’t always believed. I believe in the Bible because I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God. The religion of Christ wasn’t founded on the Bible obviously, the Bible evolved from the religion. The proclamations and teachings of Jesus Christ existed some 150 years before the books of the Bible were even compiled into the Bible. The Gospels are not the only written record establishing Jesus Christ as God incarnate.
Granted, there are plenty of Biblical Literalists, especially in the Deep South, but that is a denominational thing that did not appear in the religion until much later and is far from the official or common view.
Peace to you and yours!
rboland2173 - Hello! Why is it we think the Bible was ever intended as evidence?
I mean the religion of Jesus Christ existed for around 150 yrs before the books of the Bible were even bound together.
Thank you for sharing this. Love that you picked it apart. Do appreciate your work 😅
Kristi in your next video can you talk about miracles and if miracles happen? BTW love your videos!
heck, christians can't even agree if miracles happen or still happen etc.
I'll add it to my list!
@@velkyn1in the 1500s priests would rig statues so it looked like they were crying oil or blood out of their eyes as professed miracles.
Back then women were burned alive for reading and learning. Nobody knew what the bible says except priests so they could make it anyway they wanted.
@@undrwatropium3724 yep, exactly.
I'm a Christian, and I have been frustrated with my health situations frequently, because I really really really wanted what I wanted....and it didn't happen. But some things did happen, that I'm going to say were not realistically possible without something I couldn't see, listening to me... I don't use those things to convince others that God is real, but I know personally that I struggled to accept that God could both be real, and listening to me, but I wasn't getting what I wanted. And something hard for me to accept, was that God is not a genie in a lamp, that I get to rub, and then be granted whatever I want. But in the end, you can say whatever you want about miracles, and I don't care, because I know what I've been through, and no one else has the ability to negate what happened between me and my God. And someone who mocks God, is probably not going to be an ideal candidate to give useful knowledge regarding receiving something from God.
It’s wonderful to see your channel growing so rapidly, Kristi! If you set up a Patreon, I’ll definitely support you. Or if you set up your TH-cam channel to offer memberships? I just can’t do TikTok, sorry.
She's our advocate for rationality
@@Samael580 so that idiot is still spamming Kristi’s content? I gave them so many thumbs down, they don’t show up to me any more, thank goodness.
it would grow faster if she was dating me, i'm convinced, it;s written on my heart.
🤪
@@HarryNicNicholas dude - she’s married. Not cool.
Same here 💯
Kristi
You are spot on!!!
These guys arguments all make my head hurt. As someone who grew up teaching aunday school, working at Bible Camps, went to a Bible College...these sound like such base "But the Bible says this, so it's clear..." when it's passages that people have argued and debated for centuries.
What you're doing, I think, is "God's work", lol. Because Evangelical, Fundamental Christianity has so much hate and fear and you are helping people who have been burned by that. So good on you.
"Faith is a virture" they think it's good to believe with no evidence so they don't value proper proof. You can't really convince someone like that.
I wouldn't say it's a virtue so much as a necessary evil.
You kind of have to have some degree of faith to ignore the evidence that you could die any moment without warning from a nearly infinite number of causes, and just assume everything will probably be fine.
Without that kind of faith, you'd basically just be curled up in a corner screaming 24/7.
Faith isn't a path to knowledge, but it's a path to not spending your life in pants-shitting terror.
Exactly. They are proud of the fact that they believe things without evidence, even when they make absolutely NO sense.
@@gordongraham7 That's because, as Aron Ra says, religion reverses everything. It turns foolishness into wisdom and wisdom into foolishness, evil into good and good into evil, and so forth.
@@chameleonx9253would like to offer some pushback on your first comment. I live my life aware that I might keel over from any number of different, horrific, and hopefully comical ways, but I live my life regardless. Its not like I'm not scared of death, but I'd be miffed if I waste the only existence I had not doing the stuff I want to do in my existence. It is because I might die at any moment that I appreciate my continued existence.
Who's real you or your shadow?
Basically, his response is “If you’re confused or unsure, it’s really your fault.”
@rboland2173you are missing nothing, you summed it up perfectly.
My question for this person would be, "If god's moral law is revealed on my heart and in nature, why do I disagree with religious people on so many moral issues?"
Because they're religious, not biblical. Religion uses rules to claim superiority over others. Religious people see rules like a race if I follow the rules better than you than I must be closer to God than you and therefore more moral.
Also, there are many "moral" Christians who base their morality on making America the center of the Bible.
Biblical literacy is the lowest I have ever seen in my life. This video on both sides show how little both people understand any of the Bible. It was difficult for me to watch. In my comment above here is an excerpt of what I wrote.
-Kristi points out the Bible on the surface seems to have a contradictory moral code. Morality isn't about hard and fast rules. Morality isn't black and white but it's not completely subjective either. The Bible isn't a bunch of do's and don't if you understand it. Here's how to understand the Law. The Law actually shows us the opposite of what we think it does. It's not about following the rules, it's about understanding the result of breaking these rules and coming to the conclusion that they often cause more harm than good. So you establish a rule.
If I asked you "Have you ever been lied to by someone you trusted?" You'd probably say "Yes." If you have then I want you to think how it made you feel, and how it has affected you in your life from that moment on. How many people's lives have been damaged by lies? Yet if I started with the question "Have you ever lied?" You'd most likely say "Yes, everyone lies." When we do this we justify our lies to make ourselves look like we're an average person, not some evil person like others. If I asked you have you ever been cheated (Bible calls this adultery) on? If you have then how did that make you feel and how it affected you from that moment forward.
If we take the 10 commandments and examine them what we would find are choices we make where the outcome is not moral. The 10 commandments are comprised as 4 are between us and God and 6 are between us and other people. Let's take the 6 that are between us and people.
Exodus 20 12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you. How many times as a teenager had his or her parents try to warn them of partying, or drunk driving, or sex and teenage pregnancy? Had we listened to our parents more maybe we'd have avoided some of the mistakes we made.
This isn't about GOD or Jesus, this is about life if our parents are honorable we honor them. The Bible says for parents to be honorable.
13 “You shall not murder. This is a given. Taking a life our of hatred or anger is wrong. This is not self-defense.
14 “You shall not commit adultery. How many people have been cheated on and been destroyed by it?
15 “You shall not steal. How many people have come home and found their house robbed or have been mugged? Do any positives come out of robbing people?
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. How about making a false police report or a false accusation, how many lives have we seen destroyed by people who lied about others?
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.” Covet- Inordinately desirous; excessively eager to obtain and possess. King David coveted Bathsheba and he desired her so much he had her husband killed so he could have her. What will people do or not do to get things they covet? This isn't liking your neighbor's car, this is doing anything to have your neighbor's car. The Law isn't about rules and do's and don'ts this is supposedly about a perfect GOD who sees the end result of all these choices and says nothing good ever comes from these. These are the ones that destroy lives, and cause immense pain and hurt.
The Bible isn't trying to hold us to an unreasonable standard, these are all things our hearts and laws would agree are wrong.
In Deuteronomy 30 it says 11 “For this commandment which I command you today is not too mysterious for you, nor is it far off. 12 It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend into heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ 14 But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it. 15 “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, 16 in that I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the Lord your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess. 19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;..."
How did Jesus sum this up?
Matthew 7:12 “Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets.
Kristi's example, of the starving and stealing food is an example of a biblical exception to stealing because of the aspect of life. But that is why the Bible says take care of the poor, the widow, and the downtrodden. Be charitable so that people shouldn't have to steal to eat. There is no true Christian (not a religious person which Christians call a Pharisee or legalist) who would hold to a "thou shalt not steal" hard and fast rule because there is more context to it.
Jesus in Matthew 25 says this 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
What most Christians screw up is the separate relationships we have: Us and God, and Us and people.
Human beings want to live in a world where war doesn't exist, where sickness is eliminated, and where there is no hate, yet even with our so-called enlightened state as a species, we are on the brink of world war and global economic depression.
We may all agree with being kind, forgiving, loving, patient, and good to others but we're not. Just look at the world. This isn't about Christians and Atheists it's about humanity we are all destructive to each other and to our planet.
I think Kristi has a lot of questions as she kind of drowns you with a firehose with them. There's a lot of good questions but not a lot of understanding about the Bible and how it might answer those questions. I have no idea about the Christian but his approach was terrible.
(end of excerpt)
The irony is that the Bible condemns arrogant religious people who adopt legalism. Today many Christians have adopted this along with a huge ignorance of the Bible. Notice how the Christian in the video just copies and pastes verses regardless of context or even a decent explanation of the passage. I see that so much today, it's really sad to see.
This is how I tell today if people are religious or biblical. If someone says "Can you be homosexual, Bi, Trans, and a Christian and the answer isn't a resounding YES. They're religious not biblical.
John 3:16-17
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
Acts 16
27 And the keeper of the prison, awaking from sleep and seeing the prison doors open, supposing the prisoners had fled, drew his sword and was about to kill himself. 28 But Paul called with a loud voice, saying, “Do yourself no harm, for we are all here.”
29 Then he called for a light, ran in, and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
John 6:38-40
38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
All of these passages say "believe in Jesus" to save them. NONE of them say we have to do anything else.
Who I sleep with in no way affects my ability to believe in Jesus. Hope this helps. Take care.
Because they're religious, not biblical. Religion uses rules to claim superiority over others. Religious people see rules like a race if I follow the rules better than you than I must be closer to God than you and therefore more moral.
Also, there are many "moral" Christians who base their morality on making America the center of the Bible.
Biblical literacy is the lowest I have ever seen in my life. This video on both sides show how little both people understand any of the Bible. It was difficult for me to watch. In my comment above here is an excerpt of what I wrote.
-Kristi points out the Bible on the surface seems to have a contradictory moral code. Morality isn't about hard and fast rules. Morality isn't black and white but it's not completely subjective either. The Bible isn't a bunch of do's and don't if you understand it. Here's how to understand the Law. The Law actually shows us the opposite of what we think it does. It's not about following the rules, it's about understanding the result of breaking these rules and coming to the conclusion that they often cause more harm than good. So you establish a rule.
If I asked you "Have you ever been lied to by someone you trusted?" You'd probably say "Yes." If you have then I want you to think how it made you feel, and how it has affected you in your life from that moment on. How many people's lives have been damaged by lies? Yet if I started with the question "Have you ever lied?" You'd most likely say "Yes, everyone lies." When we do this we justify our lies to make ourselves look like we're an average person, not some evil person like others. If I asked you have you ever been cheated (Bible calls this adultery) on? If you have then how did that make you feel and how it affected you from that moment forward.
If we take the 10 commandments and examine them what we would find are choices we make where the outcome is not moral. The 10 commandments are comprised as 4 are between us and God and 6 are between us and other people. Let's take the 6 that are between us and people.
Exodus 20 12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you. How many times as a teenager had his or her parents try to warn them of partying, or drunk driving, or sex and teenage pregnancy? Had we listened to our parents more maybe we'd have avoided some of the mistakes we made.
This isn't about GOD or Jesus, this is about life if our parents are honorable we honor them. The Bible says for parents to be honorable.
13 “You shall not murder. This is a given. Taking a life our of hatred or anger is wrong. This is not self-defense.
14 “You shall not commit adultery. How many people have been cheated on and been destroyed by it?
15 “You shall not steal. How many people have come home and found their house robbed or have been mugged? Do any positives come out of robbing people?
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. How about making a false police report or a false accusation, how many lives have we seen destroyed by people who lied about others?
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.” Covet- Inordinately desirous; excessively eager to obtain and possess. King David coveted Bathsheba and he desired her so much he had her husband killed so he could have her. What will people do or not do to get things they covet? This isn't liking your neighbor's car, this is doing anything to have your neighbor's car. The Law isn't about rules and do's and don'ts this is supposedly about a perfect GOD who sees the end result of all these choices and says nothing good ever comes from these. These are the ones that destroy lives, and cause immense pain and hurt.
The Bible isn't trying to hold us to an unreasonable standard, these are all things our hearts and laws would agree are wrong.
In Deuteronomy 30 it says 11 “For this commandment which I command you today is not too mysterious for you, nor is it far off. 12 It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend into heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ 14 But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it. 15 “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, 16 in that I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the Lord your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess. 19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;..."
How did Jesus sum this up?
Matthew 7:12 “Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets.
Kristi's example, of the starving and stealing food is an example of a biblical exception to stealing because of the aspect of life. But that is why the Bible says take care of the poor, the widow, and the downtrodden. Be charitable so that people shouldn't have to steal to eat. There is no true Christian (not a religious person which Christians call a Pharisee or legalist) who would hold to a "thou shalt not steal" hard and fast rule because there is more context to it.
Jesus in Matthew 25 says this 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
What most Christians screw up is the separate relationships we have: Us and God, and Us and people.
Human beings want to live in a world where war doesn't exist, where sickness is eliminated, and where there is no hate, yet even with our so-called enlightened state as a species, we are on the brink of world war and global economic depression.
We may all agree with being kind, forgiving, loving, patient, and good to others but we're not. Just look at the world. This isn't about Christians and Atheists it's about humanity we are all destructive to each other and to our planet.
I think Kristi has a lot of questions as she kind of drowns you with a firehose with them. There's a lot of good questions but not a lot of understanding about the Bible and how it might answer those questions. I have no idea about the Christian but his approach was terrible.
(end of excerpt)
The irony is that the Bible condemns arrogant religious people who adopt legalism. Today many Christians have adopted this along with a huge ignorance of the Bible. Notice how the Christian in the video just copies and pastes verses regardless of context or even a decent explanation of the passage. I see that so much today, it's really sad to see.
This is how I tell today if people are religious or biblical. If someone says "Can you be homosexual, Bi, Trans, and a Christian and the answer isn't a resounding YES. They're religious not biblical.
John 3:16-17
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
Acts 16
27 And the keeper of the prison, awaking from sleep and seeing the prison doors open, supposing the prisoners had fled, drew his sword and was about to kill himself. 28 But Paul called with a loud voice, saying, “Do yourself no harm, for we are all here.”
29 Then he called for a light, ran in, and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
John 6:38-40
38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
All of these passages say "believe in Jesus" to save them. NONE of them say we have to do anything else.
Who I sleep with in no way affects my ability to believe in Jesus. Hope this helps. Take care.
@@mbfrommb3699 Okay, first this comment is entirely too long. Three paragraphs is good etiquette if you want someone to answer you. But here goes... (I have to break my etiquette to answer)
The person you are saying is religious and not biblical would probably disagree with you.
"Honor your father and your mother" is about god, as god statnds as the heavenly parent. According to Deut 5, you are not to do it because your parents know what is good for you, you are to do it because, "The Lord your God has commanded you... that you may long endure, and that you may fare well in the land the Lord god has given you."
I listened to my mother and ended up making the same mistakes she did. I am better not listening to her, and not honoring her in the way you describe.
Adultery was a property crime when this was written. It was an offense to the person who owned the sexual rights to the woman, either the husband or father. Personally, I am polyamorous and have had better relationships with openness and honesty with my partners.
The thing is, it is just a list of Do's and Don'ts. And they apply to the Israel covenant community. They belong to the people who would inherit the land of Israel, as promised by God. It was a treaty, a suzerain/vassel treaty, wherein god promises that if they obey his commandments he will reward them by giving them the land of Israel.
And they couldn't do it. They failed to uphold those most basic of tenants, right? So Moses broke the tablets and made a new set with easier rules like, "Don't boil a sheep in its mother's milk."
Also, at the end of the Decalogue in Exodus, the very next section are rules for owning slaves. That is part of the moral code, that thing YOU SAY is not a list of Do's and Don'ts. There must be, according to you, a moral reason to own a slave that everyone can agree on. It is, quite literally, the very first rule after the ten commandments. Before you impose any kind of, "but that's not real slavery!" Yes it is, as the rules they describe only apply to men. You could own a female hebrew for life, and all her kids.
You are reading your moral code into the Bible. The justifications your offer to follow the ten commandments are entirely pesonally derived, and not derived from scripture. God's reasoning is clear, he is making a moral code for his people to follow for the purpose of inheriting the land of Israel. That is the 'Biblical' view,
@@mbfrommb3699 if these rules are meant to be rationalized by empathy towards each other, why did god make the punishment for breaking them death?
@@trentlytle7289 I appreciate the reply. And I am not here to attack anyone but I wonder where you received your biblical education from because it isn't very good on these points.
The understandings miss the entire point of the law. Going back and forth about what adultery means is pointless if we can't even agree on the basic definition. I believe Jesus is GOD in the flesh so in Matthew 5 His definition and the accepted one in His day had nothing to do with a property crime over a woman that was "owned" by her husband or father.
Leviticus 23 tells what was expected for the land. Observing the Sabbath and observing the Sabbath year for the land. Give a portion of the fruits of the land and observing various holidays. All of these things were tied to the observe the Sabbath. Not sure how you arrived at the conclusion they had to follow the entire law to remain in the land. The exile to Babylon was because they didn't observe the sabbaths.
2 Chronicles 36:18 And all the articles from the house of God, great and small, the treasures of the house of the Lord, and the treasures of the king and of his leaders, all these he took to Babylon. 19 Then they burned the house of God, broke down the wall of Jerusalem, burned all its palaces with fire, and destroyed all its precious possessions. 20 And those who escaped from the sword he carried away to Babylon, where they became servants to him and his sons until the rule of the kingdom of Persia, 21 to fulfill the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed her Sabbaths. As long as she lay desolate she kept Sabbath, to fulfill seventy years.
I hope this clears up at least some of the incorrect assumptions you have. Take care.
You tell them you dont believe in their religion,god or the bible, and they go and try to prove you how god and their religon is real by... reading the bible to you. I have always disliked when they do that, even when I was a little girl, it botherd me to no end.
I guess I typically just tell people to ask Jesus specifically to show them what to do. Like asking out loud right now. And then accept that he isn't a genie that has to answer right now. To be honest, I probably have the lowest succes rate with a prayer, when I'm upset and demanding stuff. So I'mm just throwing this out there, that if you really wanted to see if Jesus is real, then ask, but don't be like, I'm only going to believe you exist if you do what I want. Don't do that.
@hayfieldhermit9657 you are doing the same thing I just said. I don't belive in Jesus, so why would I ask someone I don't believe in to show me the way to believe in them. Is like if if I belived in Thor, and wanted for you to also believe in him, and I asked you to pray to Thor, and to ask him to show you the way to believe in him. And just so I make it clear, I don't belive in the Christian God, I don't believe in the Bible and I don't want nor feel need to believe in them.
@@alisinwonderland_7 Sorry, I thought you were talking about people who read the Bible to you to prove that they are right. That's why I was saying that a person could just ask God to show them the truth, if they don't know if he's real.
@hayfieldhermit9657 oh okay, I see what you mean. No worries, messages can get often misunderstood. And yeah, you are right, why need the Bible if you can ask God directly.
@@alisinwonderland_7 In the Bible, in the book of Job, he talks to God in prayer, but he doesn't have any Bible at all. He says at one point that he had heard about God, but he had never seen him before. There was no Bible at that point, but it didn't stop people from having a functioning faith in God, and living out their faith. I'm not saying the Bible is useless. It's for learning things. And if I'm going to be a Christian, it would be important to read it, and learn what I'm supposed to do.
It's just that even though I'm a Christian, I see other Christians that kind of treat the Bible like that is their God. It's like they couldn't be a Christian or even believe anything at all without it. Instead of just learning from it, it's like they replace God with it.... Sorry, to be so wordy!!
Kristi is thinking for herself. Clearly this is a very grave sin. She (or her soul) will no doubt have to spend eternity in a non-existent & imaginary Hell for this crime. God created us to be his slaves, so Kristi is up-ending the apple cart here.
"God created us to be his slaves". I could take Christians seriously if they would just admit that.
You have a free Choice given you by God. Obey Christs Gospel or Perish. Perish means Annihilation.
@@TimBarr-e8p Do you really think your threats of spiritual annihilation are going to make the content creator or people who watch this type of video run to the arms of Jesus? This is the type of scare tactic that either gets people to stay in the cult out of fear or leave the cult to escape the fear mongering.
God wants Zombies
@@TimBarr-e8pahh... but if you are given 'free choice' then why does god want to punish if we choose via free will not to believe in him/her/they
Always enjoy your videos, thanks.
Faith is the most dangerous concept ever invented by humans.
Education
Critical thinking
Empathy
You're confusing faith for evidenced belief, my friend. I believe my chair will hold my weight because I have a wealth of experience with sitting on chairs, and I know other chairs with certain structural traits and material compositions has held my weight before. If it collapses, and every chair after collapses, I will reevaluate that belief. I do not merely hold it on faith. Same thing for a car. As for perdition, well, I have no way to examine the afterlife, so there's no compelling evidence for or against the proposition that there is a realm of perdition. As such, I do not believe that perdition exist, nor do I believe in an afterlife. Doesn't mean I believe there is no afterlife, simply that I lack a belief in one, because that is the default belief state for unfalsifiable claims that have yet to be verified. If one day someone from the realm of perdition, be it hell, hel, tartarus, or any other iteration, contacts me in a way that allows me to be certain I am not mistaken, with strong compelling evidence that can also be presented to others so I can prove it's not me having a psychotic episode, I will reevaluate my belief about that too, but absent a similar level of evidence, I withhold my belief.
When I read a book, if what it claims does not bear out in reality, I do not take it on faith to be true. I look for evidence that said claims are true, and if the evidence exists and is strong and compelling, I add it to my list of justified beliefs. Just because its justified doesn't mean its true, but it makes it more likely to be true than assuming it to be true absent any investigation or evidence presented, which is faith.
@@rickemmons7300 Hmmm...how so? I'm not trying to be obtuse here, I'm just trying to spell out as clearly as possible what I see as the difference between faith and justified, evidenced belief. Its what I currently live by, for the most part. Do I think I have no beliefs whatsoever based on some kind of faith? No, not really. But I do try to avoid faith in favour of evidence where I can, and where I can't, I almost always withhold my belief.
Additionally, I'm simply pointing out that the examples you presented do not require faith, and are more often than not justified beliefs. If you present to me a belief I have on faith, I'll gladly admit it and work to find evidence for it, but as of right now, I don't see any presented.
@@rickemmons7300 Dogmatic religion from books that brainwash and deceive people, typically before the age of reason, and which all encourage conquering the world, typically via many genocides, do not compare with things like the trust I have that a chair will hold me up.
I don't really have any faith in chairs, many times they have failed me in numerous ways and I am always re-evaluating them for flaws that may make them fail me again. In fact I fully expect that numerous times in my future they will fail me again and I will end up on the ground.
If anyone here is trying to convince themselves, it's people who have to routinely strengthen their faith and routinely attend church services to keep their faith strong or else it might become weak and critical thinking might start to take over.
Religious faith is almost certainly an unavoidable byproduct of our evolution as a social species.
We are a curious species, which has served us well for the most part, but when answers weren't readily available, our preference was to invent plausible-sounding answers for ourselves. And since we observed how people's actions are often the cause of previously unexplained phenomena, it was only natural to ascribe the remaining unexplained phenomena as the work of some other intelligent, if undetectable being or beings.
And so it began...
@@rickemmons7300 nope. I us trust and confidence based on facts, evidence, past experience. Just like when I sit on a chair. You ever had a chair break on you and wish you wouldn't have had faith that the chair would support you and maybe tested it instead. I understand not doing that because you have experience that most chairs hold you. If you are using faith in place of trust and confidence then fine. If you are using faith as in I know God was involved in writing a book or books then that is dangerous because the book of Mormon the Bible etc was not written by God.
You had a great rebuttal. I appreciate the snark.
I like how you express the thought processes, and the confidence in the way you speak. The subtle tones of inflection, especially when contrasted with a dissident, convey the functional difference of a brain uncaged. Please keep it up, thanks!
I am 37 and my estranged father is very much a "the Bible is 100% the word of God and everything that it says happened because it is a history book" type of Pentecostal fundamentalist. My parents were divorced by the time I was two and I had no influence from him until I was an adult. My favorite thing that he has EVER said to me about religion is this, "I wish your mother would have taken you to church when your were growing up. Then that secular school you went to wouldn't have given you such curiosity." He straight up told me I should have been indoctrinated. Can you believe that?!!
Yeah...
"God's law that is written on my heart" says that the Lgbt+ people are doing nothing wrong by existing.
Love your strength and understanding. You dissect and decipher all Christian devices and you strike down that mythical creature to oblivion!!!!!
Please stay focused on your approach. I think it's brilliant and it addresses a very necessary " niche" in the world of christian refutation. I truly love all the academic material to be found for refuting the biblical canon, but your non-academic approach is VERY effective and refreshing
Kristi don’t listen to these people I’m so happy I’m not locked in the chains of Christianity anymore and you really helped me to see the truth thank you
@JezebelVibes kudos on your work. I like your feet-to-the-ground comments.
Thanks!
As soon as Christians start quoting scripture that is when I end the conversation. I am not interested in hearing what a book says until you can prove that what is in the book is actually true.
It says the Egyptians were defeated at Carchemish. Just start there.
@@humanistreformation The Messiah was predicted to arrive lowly, and riding a donkey. And I'm sure not all of those standing there were dead before that happened.
@@humanistreformation Also, John saw and wrote about the future kingdom on earth before he died. These statements may cause some people to doubt, but its not as though people havent had 2000 years to sit around thinking about what they mean, and have some reasonable explanations.
@@humanistreformation The Son of Man, was going to come lowly, riding a donkey, and then later in glory, returning from heaven. I'm pretty sure most of these people he was talking to, were still alive, when he rode that donkey into Jerusalem...... That was the prophecy that was around before Jesus, and people were waiting for it to happen. Well, it happened in their lifetime.
@@humanistreformation The Bible is full of typology. Take Joseph. He is known by all of Israel, gives his prophecy, and a few years later Israel himself believes Joseph is dead, and Joseph is sitting in prison as an ex slave. At that point Joseph's prophecy would seem completely impossible.
Same type of thing happens with Moses and David. These were considered as Messianic figures before Christians came along. So to fit the pattern, the messiah would have to come, give his prohpecy, be rejected, seem to fail, and go away for a long time before returning as king. And it would have to seem impossible, and include a rejection by his own people. And only one person really fits that type. And the thing that makes it convincing that he is the one, is the rejection and seeming impossibility. If you find someone who finds acceptance as messiah by Israel, and it seems there's no impossibility involved, then that's probably not a messiah candidate.
I have cholesterol written on my heart. Praise geesus!!
I have been blessed by a holy murmur.
Most people just call it arrhythmia.
@@presentfuture7563 I have one of those cause I'm old. Praise the load!!
@@labspeciman7402 Hey, maybe you should praise Cheeses. They're pretty high in salt and fat.
Praise meat... I'll keep it clean, watch your meat intake. lol
His logic is kinda illustrated by those cartoons, like Bugs Bunny, in which he climbs into a bucket, grabs the handle overhead and carries himself down the street.
It would be great if you made longer video!! I just love your vibe and the way u present! 😊❤
I was born with full, complete, & nuanced knowledge of Rabbinical Law.
Not to mention absolute knowledge of Jesus' teachings.
Yeah, me too! Lol
I always felt like that. Not even all Jews have full, nuanced knowledge of rabbinical law. I can agree that morality comes from God and that all people have some basic knowledge of right and wrong. But it doesn't seem fair that God would hold people accountable for believing the Bible when most people in the world do not have a Bible.
Studying Natural Law theory has helped me to understand these concepts.
Was God's law written on the hearts of the Mayans who believed that the Rain God and War God demanded fresh human hearts as sacrifices?
Going by how barbaric the christian god is....could be?
😂😂😂
And what about the Hindus, or did something go wrong in the translation.
these same christians believe that they are no longer under the law! they do not keep the law because they are under grace!
Obviously they were removing those hearts to see what was written on them
I enjoy the back and forth too. I feel a little weird but I am leaning about how to evaluate claims. So there’s that. I still feel weird.
Thanks for the video.
It's honestly brave to seek and feel weird about it and still do it. Wherever your journey leads you, you will be better off for learning about these principles and how to break down a ideological argument to determine if you agree or not. Doing what is familiar and feels normal, easy and safe is somewhat cowardly. Your willingness to feel weird and do it anyway is very brave and fwiw, this internet stranger is proud of you and wishes you well.
@@evergreenforestwitch I appreciate your kind words. Thank you so much. :)
Kristi, everything I am about to say I know you already know but I will say for readers who may not. That guy, don't remember his name is preaching to believers that don't ask questions. He uses a device that all these guys do called circular reasoning. The Bible is true because it says it's true and if you don't believe so get ready to burn. I have read the Bible. It has some beautiful passages. Do unto others and what not. It's just a book. My fav book is "Eye of the World" but it's not what I would ever choose to live my life by. I mean no one any harm but religious people can be vicious sometimes. A wise man once said, "why can't we all just get along". Anyways, love the channel and one reason it is doing well is that you bring up intelligent arguments. Good luck out there 👍
In Romans 5:18 it says: "Consequently, just as condemnation for all people came through one transgression, so too through the one righteous act came righteousness leading to life for all people."
In other words, the original sin by Adam and Eve condemns us all to Hell, and the death of Jesus give us all salvation.
However, it's immoral to punish an entire species for the act of one person. It's also wrong to absolve me of my sins with the death of another person.
And let's not forget that according to the christian myth god created Eve fully knowing she'd eat the apple he intentionally put in the garden. It's absolutely baffling that christians can't see how ridiculous this story is. Any other religion positing such a story would get laughed at by them, but their asinine belief gets a pass.
That's another thing. If Jesus died to absolve us of sin, then he just objectively failed, because the bible itself states the vast majority of people are going to hell. The only way Jesus being crucified would actually do what it was intended is that everyone gets into heaven no matter what, since he took all our sins into him retroactively.
"Consequently, just as condemnation for all people came through one transgression..."
The transgression was God lying to Adam when He said Adam would die on that day he ate from the tree.
@@chameleonx9253 And I don't want to nitpick, but he did come back to life so...
@@edwinlucianofrias1643 Yeah, exactly. If he's supposed to have taken the punishment for all mankind, shouldn't he like... still be there? Since our punishment is supposedly eternal?
Unless we only go to hell for three days and then get to be gods! I'm all for that!
One of the main reasons things like love are associated with hearts is because the ancient Egyptians believed thought and emotions originated in the heart, nt the brain. Presumably because they knew that emotions often caused the heart to beat faster. It's not a bad assumpion...if you dn;t know any better.
I'm not saying that I don't believe a God could exist, I just do not believe God has revealed itself in any books written by man. We have no empirically proven knowledge of any God. The only thing we can do is imagine. ☮
I am so obsessed with your content!!!!
Be careful please. Guys like these could justify anything they do. And he remind me of someone that would do harm to another and justify it with “Bible said so”
Hello Kristi. 👋 Just found your channel and I like you are so articulate, but very subtle.
I work with a guy that's friends with Forrest Valkrie.
We live in Tulsa Ok. Seth Andrews lives here too.
Anyways... I'm glad to find this channel.
Anyone who reads the bible to figure out how to live is missing it, because they will read it exactly how they have been taught by someone else,i know because I've been there
Now i live by my gut feelings
Most of us know what is morally right, and if we discover we made a mistake we learn from it and seek to do better,its just that simple to me
Just once when they say "Let's see what Paul has to say", I want them to cut to a Paulogia clip
Strangely, God seems not to have written Exodus 21:20-21 on my heart. Instead I have thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not beat, and thou shalt not own slaves.
Victim blaming 101. How loving.
I'll never understand how anyone could react to _"btw, some will find this unbelievable, but they are despicable pieces of shit"_ with anything but heightened skepticism. 🙄
"Bald assertion, bald assertion, bald assertion. The book exists, so Kristi is wrong."
This guy wouldn't have the cognitive capacity to recognize his behavior in someone else doing the same thing with the Quran.
Kristi, Thank you for the informed and logical presentation of the arguments. You response to this theist successful reveals the circular nature of his reasoning. As an aside, isn't it interesting that adherents to Christianity, the faith of peace, make threats of physical violence toward anyone who questions their unfounded beliefs.
Kristi I hope you do a video on marriage in the bible.... because the entire old and new Testaments don't describe how to get married. It says they got married or then they were married, but it never says HOW to get married. I was in a born again church in Montana and was told I was "living in sin". I asked where it says how to get married and they admitted it doesn't say, but the bible says to follow the law. Well, there are many states that have common law marriage including Montana that allows you to live together seven years and call yourself married. Because they could not answer me, they ostracized me LOL.
To "See the Light" usually comes as an emotional decision, not a rational one. Once a position becomes emotionally adopted, reason can rarely prevail against it.
If it was written on our hearts, why didn't the native Americans or even the Japanese know about Christianity before any missionairies traveled to their lands.
Native Americans have the same flood story. Unless you want to claim they added that recently, then they brought that with them when they came to the Americas....
@@hayfieldhermit9657 Citation needed
@@ssjgarfield th-cam.com/video/QmFnDxvG4NE/w-d-xo.html I'm pretty sure it's in this discovery channel documentary with Meagan Fox. She interviews a native American chief, and talks to him about their tribes history, and he says they came to America after a great flood, where people and animals survived on a boat .
To lawmakers and judges, they prefer the word, “flexible”, over “open to interpretation”. Law actuality takes place inside courtrooms, not the streets.
bib problem is which version of this god's law since each cultist makes up their own?
his version. of course.
I think it's the one you can't eat pork or shellfish and works are the most important, so lots of Christian's will miss out on Heaven.
@@leob3447 nah, it's the mixed fabric one. poly cotton undies will damn y'all.
@@velkyn1 And what about getting divorced and getting married again?
@@leob3447thank goodness I stick to a strict diet of owls!
Just new to your channel Kristi. The work you are doing is greatly appreciated.
I was born christian but am now atheist i really connect with you're video's there is no proof of these " laws " were written by a supposed god. The christian god seems to be above the laws he supposedly created love you and love you're intelligent videos
all people are born atheist. the natural state is not believing in a god or gods. it's something people are taught to believe.
@@christophergibson7155Areyou sayimg iam always a Christian because i was baptised something that happened outside ofmy control something i had no say in thst means free will is a load of shit i was born christian but have sense become atheist something that happened when i had no say doesn't make me christian for life
@@christophergibson7155 baptism doesn't make me christian all my life i have grown to learn that religions are harmful cults that iI have grown apart from and want absolutly want nothing to do do with it was part of my past but has nothing to do with my present and has less to do with my future to me without evidence of an existence of a god i won't believe it and want nothing to do with a cult that has traumatised and harmed so many and they call him a loving understanding merciful god
@@bumblebee454 i was never thought to become atheist i have grown to become atheist and breK free from a cute that has done so much harm there is NO PROOF of a god
@@christophergibson7155 what js the point of baptisms it is a total wase of time or is it a way for the roman Catholic church trap to say onece baptised always a Christian if god is love and all loving he should support all kinds of love otherwise the god is love myth is bullshit it is perfectly ok for two men or two women to marry
Kristi, you are brilliant, and you think for yourself. Please, keep the videos coming...people looking for the truth love them.
Love Kristi's bravery and no shit logic and understanding. Keep it up girl!
So Christianity and the Bible is just a bunch of Hokum.
7:45 PM Thur. July 20, 2023. Another really good video. You made a lot of good points again. Him using the Bible to prove the bible is really phallisy. I used what I called the Elijah test. Elijah confronted the prophets of Baal. He challenged them to prove their god exists. Elijah said if Baal be God then we will follow him or if Yahew exists then we will follow him. So they picked a day and set up the challenge. But when Christian are challenged to prove to Jesus is risen they say well it is in the spirit and you just go by a feeling. They really can't prove it.
“I do not feel obliged to believe that the same god who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forego their use” ~ Galileo Galilei
I once asked a pastor "Can you prove that god exists?" He replied “what do you think?” I then asked "Why does a kind and loving god allow bad things to happen all the time?" He replied “why do you think?”
He then asked me, "See you next Sunday?" I replied “What do you think?”
There is a universal legal principle known by its Latin name (Mens Rhea) that states that you cannot be found guilty if you don't have a guilty mind. This is true for criminal cases only, but a sin worth going to hell for eternity is definitely comparable to a crime, not a civil liability. And the exceptions are really, really few. In my country, about a century ago, the murderer of several indigenous people went free because he convinced the judge or the jury that he did not know that shooting indians was a crime. The laws of men and women are, in this case, a million times more benevolent and fair than the laws of the Abrahamic God, who is supposedly omnibenevolent.
Not sure I would call letting someone get away with murder benevolent, but the overall point is well taken. If conservative Christians are right about their faith, then when those six million Jews died in the Holocaust, their suffering was just beginning and Hitler had nothing no God when it came to causing suffering.
@@EnglishMike There are no good solutions to the disaster created when someone does great harm without any consciousness of the consequences of his/her action or inaction. In this case, I am talking about a true lack of consciousness, not of lack of evidence to prove bad faith. The Romans decided that punishment in these cases was cruel and useless. They decided to err on the side of benevolence.
Your examples of getting away with murder and what the Nazis did to the Jews are a completely different story. Murder is the conscious and ill-willed killing of another person, so Mens Rhea is already proven. The very phrase "getting away with murder" means that you knew what you were doing and did it anyway, and then went free of consequences. And the Nazis knew what they were doing and knew that it was beyond any excuse.
She is smart and so sweet.
I have seen x-rays of my body. Nothing written on my heart.
mine just seems to keep pumping blood.
Well, to be fair, the Israelites, like most ancient people, thought the heart was the source of thought and emotion. So when they say "written on your heart" they're really saying that it's encoded in your brain.
Also false, but still...
The heart is the core of one's being NOT the organ.
@@danielblair4413 The "core" of my being is my brain, not some metaphysical heart.
@@Finckelstein says: *The "core" of my being is my brain, not some metaphysical heart.*
The core of your being is your immortal soul.
The immortal soul is the very essence of who you are.
No part of your physical body is the essence of who you are.
8:00 We also have assurance of the truth because the following people were also raised from the dead:
Optimus Prime, Superman, Jean Grey, Sherlock Holmes, 90% of the Justice League and the Avengers.
Spoiler Alert: for people who haven't watched the whole Game of Thrones series.
John Snow.
@@edwinlucianofrias1643 yes, him too... however if you are going to put a spoiler alert up, it helps if you at least warn us which work of fiction the spoilers are from.
*God is the clay & humanity the sculptor ;*
_More like, "made in our image"._
From one atheist to another I love your program. Congrats on using your intelligence to question the conservative misguided views of so many people who say you have to believe all this nonsense by faith alone. Keep up the good work.
As always, she is on point. Something else she could’ve stayed was,, what happened to the countless billions of people that were on the planet before Supposed birth of Jesus Christ? It would be interesting, somewhat entertaining and hilarious to hear Christine jump through hoops trying to answer that question. But I’m sure they’ll come up with some nonsense. They seem to have an answer for everything. They have a major hard time simply saying,, ‘I don’t know’ lol
Job said "For I know that my Redeemer lives, and at the last he will stand upon the earth. " You don't need to be born after Jesus, to have a functioning relationship with God.
Thank you Kristin I love your videos you have helped me more than you will ever know thank you so so much thank you from the bottom of my heart ❤
I kind of wish that I COULD believe. But then, it's really the godsquads themselves that kind of puts me off the whole.
You can talk to God without having to bow to some organization.
Keep it up Kristy!!!!
ty for all your uploads :)
Glad you like them!
The internet, IMO, is the biggest threat organized religion (including Christianity) has ever encountered and they are clearly losing the battle. Organized religion has been in a steady decline for some time now.
The internet makes access to the true historical origins and evolution of both the Bible and Christian faith as revealed by actual Bible scholars easily accessible.
I was a deeply committed Christian for 47 years. I was a deacon, elder, evangelist, and teacher in one of the most conservative Bible literalists versions of Christianity in the world.
I wanted to study and research the origins and evolution of the Bible and the Christian to learn as much as possible about God and Christianity. My study and research lasted for a little more than a decade. I realized, after years of study, all religions are man made and are based on myths.
I left religion in 2012 and I’ve never looked back. I am so much happier as a nonbeliever.