The Inherent Selfishness of the Biblical God
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2024
- Is the god of the Bible inherently selfish? Let's challenge the conventional belief that portrays god as selfless, exploring the notion that he created humans solely for his own glorification and punishes those who don't serve or believe in him.
Please keep in mind that all everything I say here is my subjective opinion, and is intended to deconstruct fundamentalist/evangelical/conservative Christian ideologies from an ex christian perspective
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As a Christian I thought "god is so insecure to need to be worshipped all the time, if my partner acted like that it would be a nightmare" I was too scared to say that out loud lol
Scream it from the rooftops! 📣
That's what I found attractive about Zoroastrianism. It's God cares very little for your worship, and values only your good deeds.
That doesn't apply because he's Almighty and objective morality dictates worship of the omnipotent creator. Stay mad 🤓
@@TheMilitantMazdakiteyou can throw good deeds to the trash because you were saved by jesus christ, meaning you already got a ticket to heaven!
What is my purpose?
Bible: stroke a narcissist's ego for all eternity.
"I see no logic in worshipping a deity who insists that you live in a perpetual state of fear." - Mr. SPOCK
AND HE HAS NO INTEREST IN YOU -NADA-HE HATES YOU-AND LONGS TO DESTROY YOU-SOON AND VERY SOON.
I love my parrot. I feed her and water her every day because I love her. She does not worship me or thank me for food. She does not cower in fear if she makes a mistake and I would never send her to the "pits of hell". I have more kindness in my pinky than god does in the entire universe.
A Rabi goes to heaven and tells god a holocaust joke. God says "that's not funny". The Rebi replied "I guess you had to be there".
@@Robin3615 - Parrots are not smart enough to love me. But my dog surely is.
Moreover, God is not a parrot. In your spare time, explain how God is not kind. Are you pissed off because God did not give you a lollipop? Or are you a cry baby because God sent you to bed without any supper?
@@scotthullinger4684 I’m sorry but I have proof my parrot exists. You got a raggedy old book that makes women subservient and children objects of sacrifice. I use critical thinking. Take your prayers for the sick, zero proof of effectiveness. All I can say is some people are critical thinkers and others are sheep following the heard.
Mary gave birth to Jesus. Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of god. That proves it! Mary had a little lamb.
When I lost my happy, healthy wife and mother of my 5 kids suddenly, our priest at her funeral told me 'god needed her more'. It took 3 of my much loved friends to stop me giving him a nap. Spirituality is personal, religion mere crowd control.
Can you forgive that priest? I see how his words hit. He wasn't thinking.
A selfless god wouldn't give you two options that's either eternal servitude or eternal torture.
If the biblical description of God is accurate, then who needs a devil?
In my mind they are two sides of the same coin. One part in the pits of hell below the earth and the other in the facade of a beautiful blue sky above. So Satan is his true face
And with that in mind. Symbolically Jesus was originally a sort of light bringer archetype/person. It got high jacked by the Roman Catholic Church and tied Jesus to this demiurge. There Constantine acting as Yahweh has instilled a militant and facist “religion” which is a cancer to humanity. The Bible is against nature.
Sop on observation!
@@AlixiranAs above so below
In scripture, the devil never lies, only kills or harms on God's orders, doesn't deceive or mislead.
That god, OTOH, lies misleads, contradicts itself, is selfish and jealous and vindictive. Endlessly craves brown-nosing.
The devil isn't the serpent in the Garden: that god curses the serpent to always crawl on its belly in the dust and never talk. We first see the devil in Job, and he's walking and talking.
That god admits that he pre-planned everything including all the people who he'll send to he[[.
Their theology says that they'll be enjoying themselves in heaven while looking down on all the suffering sinners.
A vile belief system, and I tell them so when they say that they will pray for me.
After watching the Prince of Egypt movie, I read the beginning of the Exodus book. It was a fascinating experience.
- God, creator of all men, has golden children, he has a chosen people. We know that having a golden child is detrimental to said child and their siblings.
- God wants the pharaoh to free the Hebrews, so God goes talk to non-pharaoh Moses. This omnipotent God was unable or unwilling to talk directly to the pharaoh.
- After the pharaoh refusal, God sends punishment to the Egyptians. We know that sanctions on countries will affect the small people a lot more than the leader, yet this omniscient God created plagues that affected little his target.
- After the 7th or 8th plague, the pharaoh soften his heart and accept the free the Hebrews. Any reasonable being would graciously accept the win. God instead harden the heart of the pharaoh, which allows God to send more misery on the Egyptians. Did God forget his original goal, the freeing of the Hebrews, or is he more interested in torturing people?
- Each time the pharaoh soften his heart and is willing to do God's will, God harden the heart of the pharaoh until the 10th plague, the butchering of Egyptians children. Talk about an omni-benevolent God!
If that god is real, it does not deserve any love nor respect.
@@het53 no, I know the bible is as fictional as the Lord of the Rings. The Lord of the Rings, however, has a better consistency than the bible.
@@het53 yes, I know Tolkien was Catholic.
Tolkien said Sam was the hero of the Lord of the Rings.
Evil cannot be eradicated in Middle Earth because Melkor put a bit of himself into the world. Destroying all evil would require destroying the world itself. It has nothing to do with pride.
And the bible is still a fictional book.
@@ghyslainabel also don't forget the "all-knowing" supreme deity needed a bit of blood over the doors to be reminded of where to avoid releasing the plague. ;-)
Golden children are SUN children.
The Israelites/Greeks/Romans took Gold (Sun - solar myth), Silver (Moon - lunar myth), and Clothes (Stars - stellar myth)...out of Egypt.
@@harveywabbit9541 what I mean by golden children is children who are the favourite of their parents, children who can do no wrong, who receive all the love and attention, while the other children are neglected. I used the modern meaning of the expression.
i remember questioning this as a kid. like "doesn't that mean god is selfish and prideful?" and my parents told me it was a sinful and blasphemous question, and if i didn't repent immediately i was guaranteed to go to hell, which scared me out of voicing my questions
Honesty would give you credit, but making up a false story like this, shows that you yourself are not honourable.
@@theonlyway5298 who are you to tell me i am lying about my childhood experiences with religion? you weren't there
@@krackkokichi I do not believe that that is what happened or that is what your parents said to you. I think you have made this up.
@@theonlyway5298 what is so unbelievable about super religious parents saying this to their kid that you felt the need to insult me? i didn't make it up, but there's literally no way to prove it. you could have kept scrolling instead of calling a random person "not honourable"
@@theonlyway5298 oh wait. your username. i understand now. you're christian and don't want to think badly of your religion. maybe stay off atheist youtube then. hope this helps ❤️
The fact you are out here educating people is in itself selfless. Love your content.
If you're talking about Kristi you're so misled.
@@garystapp1656Yes, because giving reasons with citations is very misleading
Leading people astray just to make money off the naive, the gullible, and ignorant is hardly an act of education or selflessness.
@@ChristianApologeticsProject
Right ! Another great point for why
those Christian apologists need to get their head on straight and quit doing the devil's works of lying to everyone.
@ChristianApologeticsProject Amen brother 🙏
humans created gods in their own image: selfish, jealous, envious, insecure, violent, et cetera in an ignorant attempt to explain the natural world around them.
Well stated.
True.
People created cultures. Cultures created religions. People created religions.
So, your God created us stupid and oblivious on purpose so that we would not be able to understand him and would be lost forever without him. And you think we should worship such an entity? No thanks, my father was like that and actually thought that he was God because he knew all of God's thoughts and biases and hatreds and he always said that God was going to get even with whoever my father didn't like. So no, your God is not worth worshiping and in fact with your God who needs a devil?
I prefer the Greek pantheon to the Abrahamic God.
I had an apologist recently tell me that the tortuous suffering of a 9-year-old boy dying from leukemia was "part of god's plan." When asked why god just couldn't end the suffering by healing the young child's cancer, I was then told that god CAN'T do that, because that would violate that child's free will.
So, let me get this straight: from god's perspective, it is far more important that the suffering child "freely chooses to believe in" and worship him, while the child suffers from agonizing pain as his body gets eaten away from cancer.
This is narcissism on steroids (not to mention, sadistic cruelty): imagine HUMANS behaving like this??
"I won't cure your disease until you WORSHIP MEEEEEEE!!"
That’s just fucked up, if I’m completely honest.
I cringe every time I hear someone telling me there an apologist. Using the bible to display their ignorance is just SAD!
So I guess he’ll just ignore all the prayers the child’s parents probably prayed every night after hearing about the child’s cancer. Interesting…
That (the apologist's argument) is so dumb. Disease has nothing to do with "free will". Its also unbiblical, as the bible claims multiple instances of God curing diseases. Not to mention multiple instances of God punishing people for disobedience or forcing them to change behaviour (which _would_ be a violation of free will).
The whole "free will" argument is a poor excuse to explain why things don't happen in the real world the way they happen in the Bible.
Not all loving or all powerful
As an ex christian - I can say you have helped me immensely in my deconstructing. I take notes. I sort and organise those confusing thoughts from being indoctrinated, and see the actual truth. You are not selfish. You are amazing,and so easy to listen too and understand.
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God is not a construct. We are made in His image. He has a heart and He has feelings. Your faith was built on the wrong "foundation" to start with if it can be "deconstructed".
@@warcraftaddict117 there is no god.
@@warcraftaddict117as you are addicted to warcraft I understand why you would like to believe we are made in the image of the genocidal and toxically narcissistic Abrahamic God.
Can’t explain how much you help me through this process. My wife is still a believer and it’s challenging. Good to hear a voice of reason.
❤️
Love your neighbor as you love yourself. This command does not seem reasonable to you.
@@user-zs2ly5qu3f There is truth in the bible.That does not mean all of the bible is true, and there's plenty of proof that not all of the bible is true. We don't live in a world of "It's one or the other, it can't be both." We live in a world where everything is mixed.
@@user-zs2ly5qu3f
No it doesn't seem reasonable.
When's the last time you went out and gave all your money ,food, and material possessions to your neighbors in need ?
I'm glad to hear that your wife is a believer in Christ - that is good. Let her continue her faith and you keep yours if that is what you want to believe in.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Exodus. "Let my people go, so they may worship me." Worst ulterior motive ever. He never said "Let my people go so they may taste freedom."
I find it amusing that the catholics and the protestants have an existential dispute about the ten commandments, which were handed by god himself to Moses... this happened during the Exodus, which never happened, it's made up, there was no such event in history.
It was probably the only reason that Pharoah would accept. He naively expected them to do their worship and then come back.
@@marcdc6809 Yep. If one goes over the numbers, the Exodus is more or less impossible to have happened, even if we utterly ignore everything else (like the Jewish archeologists that found a whole lot of nothing XD).
I have never been religious or faithful, but I have great respect for OP for even just being able to find his way out of a worldview he has held for 60 years. That is impressive and admirable!
@@ChrisSmith-xh9wb God didn't want Pharaoh to accept it. God wanted Pharaoh to say "no" so that God would have an excuse to show off his ego at the expense of Egypt. That's why God specifically hardened Pharaoh's heart, because he was afraid that if Pharaoh said "okay," then God would lose the opportunity to display his power by murdering Egyptian children.
I've been an atheist for over forty years, but I still enjoy this type of content, because it can still teach me something new or help to see things from a different perspective. You have a positive message that can and will help influence people needing to hear truth and the support you give them.
Thanks so much for this comment! I appreciate your support 🙏
Good so tell me why there's no God
@@sgloobal2025 There might be a "God". Can you please provide any proof?
Atheism is a lie. There is no proof its true. I'm sure you know that after 40 years.
Why not ask God: 'Why don't you damn well exist ?' @@sgloobal2025
If the person offering you salvation and love, is also threatening you with punishments if you don't love them back, or enough - that's not a healthy relationship, it's actually called Mental Abuse and mental cruelty!
Run away, seek professional help!
HE OFFERS YOU NADA -YOU ARE DELUDED-HE ONLY HOLDS OUT HIS OFFER TO DECENDANTS OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL-WHICH YOU ARE NOT.
I would say be honest with Him, as imperfect humans our love for God is perfected over time.... He wants a relationship from us not religion. Religion kills it strips you from your original self it makes you perform for God.... And He is not asking for us to be robots!
God would rather our honesty than fake Performance.
Come to Him as you are , it's okay to let loose and tell Him all that you are struggling with! Give Him the sin whatever it is in prayer! He will take it away in His own timing just keep asking and I assure you He will give you a way out of that struggle! AND to let you know, you are going to struggle in your walk! He knows this! That is why He gives Grace/Power to overcome whatever it is that we struggle with as far as sin even other (weaknesses)! Anything is possible with God and once you allow Him in your heart and put your trust in Him! I kid you not if you do it will be the best decision you ever make.. although it may be struggles and things along the way I kid you not He makes it much bearable 😢 A relationship with Jesus is like a marriage but what I want you to know is that the days do get better 💯💯💕🤗 if you ever need prayer personally or just want any questions answered or just interested in knowing about the Bible aside from religion I don't mind being available for that ❤️ just let me know with your contact if you'd like 🙏
Do you even know who he is cargo cult member ? Your god is the Anunnaki alien Enlil and you don’t even realize it and you probably never will as long as you’re alive because you’re a part of a brain washed cargo cult .
If I was omnipotent, and could do absolutely anything I conceived of without effort, I would be mortified to be praised for it by beings far, far less competent than me. I'd feel like a huge fraud
It's like writing a program that just says nice things to you all day, but it has no choice because it's the only thing you made it for. That is pretty much like masturbation of the ego.
Humans make gods in their image.
People created cultures. Cultures created religions. People created religion.
10 dimensional string theory disagrees with you 🤓
@@rainerspin4340Please explain as if you understand it.
@@MrCanis4And who/what created people?
I think it's a way of understanding ourselves, as well as the environment around us.
I was raised in a Christian household and, after 60 years of believing what I was taught from the pulpit, started READING the parts of the Bible I was never told about. I left Christianity very quickly after that.
I just posted a video about my decision, and the comments section displays the Christian mindset for all to see.
I now understand a bumper sticker I saw decades ago: God, grant me the serenity to deal with your followers".
Amen.
I read the Bible mostly about Jesus when in school. I was fascinated. Only at adult age, i started reading more of it, though just bits here and there, because mostly, I couldn't understand some of it, especially about certain wars and punishment. Much later I read more, the more I find strange about God's wrath and behaviour. Then I started analysing just the Genesis, bit by bit. That's when I started having real doubts of the bible.
I admire your willingness to leave behind a belief you've held for so long. Not easy. And great bumper sticker!
Where's your video? Can you give a link?
At least you found your way out of the matrix. Many won't unfortunately.
@@sootuckchoong7077 the new testament tells the story of a god that rapes a woman and gives the child up to be tortured and killed on a cross. And this is the main storyline of the book that should teach us about love and morality...
@@marcdc6809 I think that's a very emotive, disingenuous characterization of the virgin birth narrative to say that god raped Mary. There is nothing in the text to suggest that actual sexual intercourse was involved - it wouldn't be a virgin conception then, would it? Secondly, the text records Mary as consenting to carrying the child. It would be fair to say that there was a tremendous power disparity between God and Mary which calls into question the freeness of her consent and makes the arrangement ethically problematic. But to go so far as to call it rape, is dishonest. It's more along the lines of an employee acquiescing to the sexual advances of their boss - or even more accurately, acquiescing to their boss' request to get artificially inseminated to serve as a surrogate mother in place of his barren wife.
The great Greek philosopher, Epicurus, puts it perfectly:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
He is able, it just that we have to either eliminate us, or turn us into robots, or to send his Son to die for us. Praise God that He chose the third option.
@@ConfusedGermanShepherd-ch7gh err …he did eliminate us once, the great flood!
That didn’t work, apparently.
@@jamesaston410 True, but because He had compassion on humanity He let Noah's family live.
He could just eliminate humanity and create a new, superior and "pure" specie. But He chose not to.
Instead, God Himself become human to suffer His own just judgement for humanity. Even though He is righteous and sinless, He "became" sin, the likeness of sinful flesh, to condemn sin in the flesh, so that we, wicked sinners, may become the righteousness of God.
@@jamesaston410 And your argument for the problem of evil is not valid.
Let me sum it up:
1. If God is love, He will want to eliminate evil.
2. If God is omnipotence, He is able to eliminate evil.
3. Therefore, a loving and omnipotence God would eliminate evil.
4. Evil exists, therefore it is not being eliminated.
5. Therefore, a loving and omnipotence God does not exist.
Does it sums up your argument ? If it does then I will give my refutation.
@@ConfusedGermanShepherd-ch7gh so if god himself became flesh, you’re saying he became his only son. He then sent himself to earth to atone for his sin of creating a defective man!
Sounds really screwed up, you’re welcome to it, I’m really happy being atheist and having faith in myself.
I love that a channel as new as yours is getting under the skin of apologists. I've watched several attack videos. Just brilliant. Never stop critically thanking.
I'm an apologist and she doesn't get under my skin, since I'm not a Protestant. Her criticisms are always directed at Protestantism and i can say that most of them are quite constructive. She's attacking the same things traditional Christianity rejects.
@@Lerian_V all sects of Christianity tend to have their own nonsense, not to mention the incoherence of the central doctrine that defines Christianity ie the atonement.
@@Lerian_V
What would be your best evidence* or argument* for your claim* that God exists?
claim*: At least I'm assuming you claim that God exists as a fact. If not, my apologies.
evidence*: Needs to be independently examinable by third parties.
argument*: Needs to be both sound in premises and valid in structure.
@@roqsteady5290 Any example of the supposed nonsense? How is atonement in traditional Christianity (NOT Protestant Christianity) incoherent?
@@cy-one Aquinas' first efficient cause argument.
It's really weird how I would hear someone point out all the things you mentioned in this video, and yet if I was still a Christian, I would have no problem with any of it
Yeah, I remember feeling that way as well. Cognitive dissonance is a real thing.
Yup! My mindset was “well it is his universe so he does deserve the praise and worship!”
Same. Even watchign this video I automatically came up with all of the Christian Apologetic's reasons and excuses why God is, of course, not selfish. The brainwash is real!
as in trump
_You shall have no other gods before Me_
of all the problems in the world....the biblical god decided to put his needs first.
And this bs bible "god" wasn't omniscient enough to know that when skeptics spelled his name backward, some other creature would emerge?
You are calling out the inconsistencies that make Christianity ludicrous to me. Thank you. I grew up in this dogma and the pressure to “just accept” these bizarre ideas nearly drove me crazy. Thank you. Thank you.
I recommend two things:
Consider that things in manmade Christianity may be inconsistent but God is NOT inconsistent and why He isn't
Two, I recommend a youtuber called Melissa Dougherty. She, like myself, is a Christian who doesn't condemn questions about faith in Christ.
I'm still astonished that I once believed in this morally bankrupt god. Talk about calling evil good. Thank you Kristi for the effort you put into this channel.
Same here, for too many years. It's embarrassing now. When I look at the old testament now, I think ... "I thought THAT god was worthy of praise and worship??" This god who slaughtered children for mocking a prophet's baldness, who ordered the Israelites to "dash infants against the rocks", who ordered the stoning death of children who sassed their parents, who condoned slavery. I must have been nuts.
The sinful creation is calling the righteous Creator morally bankrupt? What ignorance! What arrogance! But thankfully for you our God and Creator is merciful and forgiving. All people who believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the Holy Bible and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior Who died and resurrected from the dead to pay for their sins for them to defeat eternal death for them, will be forgiven of their sins, and have eternal life reconciled with God. We all have the same salvation through Jesus Christ offered to us and we all have the choice to accept that gift of salvation or to reject it.
@@slamee100 I hear the Charlie Brown teacher in my head when you talk. 😂
@@jtoddmason64OMG! You win the internet today! 😂
@@jtoddmason64 That was simply an idiotic, ignorant meaningless comment.
Paraphrasing an (all-too) popular US politician with similar tastes and fetishes, "If you're God, they let you get away with it." That people imitate the moral derelictions of the Biblical God is not the least of his problems.
Moral dereliction is apt, well put.
I've seen more and more that the mean, crushing, cruel, selfish god of the Bible is the model for patriarchal authority, currently modeled by many US politicians, including the one you mention.
And there are millions who worship that politician like a god and believe his lies.
There's no greater hate than christian love.
The "love of Jesus" loves to throw people under the bus.
hate is actually based on fear.. I read up on it in psychology. Its the fear of losing control So when they say fear god it means that loss of control however the fear of the time it was written did mean "in awe of " God. I don't think he is awesome. At all
Now there's a slogan. Pity like all kinds of propaganda, it isn't true. But, think what you like.
@@skyeprophet3564 As opposed to the Bible, which is true... metaphorically. And you can't just read it, you have to be in the right mindset to see its truth. And you should ignore all the contradictions in it... cause... those, like, dont count... Also God slaughters hundreds of thousands at least, but that's okay, cause he's God.
@@mattmorehouse9685 wonderful, you sure have it all worked out. Yes you do have to bring an ounce of intelligence to see what is happening in the Bible. Or you can just grab the bits that suit whatever view you want to hold and interpret them whatever way suits you best.. worked for Putin and Hitler. And, of course you have the right to take a moral position against God since he is so evil all of a sudden. And you are 100% that you are in the right by dong that. You don't have the slightest amount of caution or thought of "hmm, maybe there are some things I am not taking into account". You just go at it all guns blazing .. shoot first and ask questions later.
I can only imagine the vitriol that is spewed at you by the evangelicals. You are incredibly brave and selfless to work so hard and sacrifice so much to help others learn to better think for themselves and look at the Bible and the Church’s messages (which, as you have so clearly explained are two totally different things). You have put into words so many issues I have always had with Evangelicalism, and Christianity as a whole,any of which I have struggled to articulate. I appreciate you and your mission and know you will help countless people with your work.
And what about the vitriol and despising of people such as Kari or yourself and injustice of speaking about someone you know zero about as slander and libel and not even giving God the respect of the benefit of the doubt, something you want yourself from other people, much less God Himself? Jesus saved me from suicide literally. It really saddens me that people truly believe Him some
type of Narcissist because my own father has the disorder. I KNOW God is NOT NPD and have sensed His overwhelming and immense love, and that you could too.
Thank you Kirsti for exposing the inconsistancies
That's how delusional Christians are. They're always saying there is no inconsistencies or contradictions in the bible.
Answering the title. Just by what I know about Christianity and psychology That is a huge yes. As God displays a ton of narcissistic traits. So much that I could probably diagnose him with something.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder
No Christians say GOD is three gods in one😅. You always make me laugh with your arguments, running away from logic and reason. GOD doesn't LOVE US IN THE WAY WE DECIDE LOVE TO BE, BUT AS THE PERFECT BEING, HE LOVES US SO TO BRING US TO THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE TRUTH.
What's the definition of GOD?
If GOD is perfect, then you have no option left than to serve GOD. There's nothing good you can do without GOD'S Will.
Reading Isaiah (or the Old Testament), you should read it into context first before trying to generalize it. If GOD created you for something else, then He's the one directing you to evil since HE HIMSELF IS THE PERFECTION.
If GOD created you to serve someone else, it's against what it means to be GOD. GOD is not forcing you to serve HIM, otherwise you wouldn't be here talking about it.😅 HE just helps you by telling you you should serve HIM.
If you love your children , you would help them when they're trying to join ISIS because you love them, right?😢 Your definition of love is lawlessness and carelessness.😅 GOD is LOVE but also JUSTICE.
If you're the best perfect math teacher and you love your students, you would teach them to follow your steps by listening to your teachings carefully. If there are any students that refuse your teachings, they're doomed to be bad at math, resulting in having bad results 😅.
GOD as GOD does things as GOD. So when GOD took flesh, HE took up human nature, HE LIVED a perfect life. When HE didn't become a man, people had the right to say that they didn't really know how to live as men based on laws only, because there's actually no perfect example of a good life in men. Now GOD decided to become a Man so to live a perfect life to show you how to live according to HIM, yet you refuse.
You're happy while doing whatever you want without caring about what's going on out there.
"YOU are a FILTHY PIECE OF SHIT in my sight and YOU WILL bow down and KISS MY ASS forever OR ELSE!!!!!" Does that sound like a BFF?
You're too much of a simpleton. He doesn't need worship, it's that objective morality demands it. 🤓
That is something 'The Devil' might say. @@kenlogsdon7095
You nailed the response to "you say he's not real because you don't like him"
What is there to Like ???
I think these videos are more effective since Christi is calm and doesn't swear till the end. She really shows a very even temperment which I hope I can one day have when explaining why I'm an atheist. I think a major problem with trying to get people to examine their faith critically is that it's very easy to get worked up over the actions and words of God and his followers, and then Christians can claim your atheism is just an emotional reaction. Never mind that this is generally hypocritical (I know my dad gets incredibly defensive when I talk about how Genesis makes no sense) their view is often that atheists are overly emotional and so they don't have to listen. Christi did a good job of clearly explaining her reasoning and not sounding emotional! And her response to "You say he's not real because you don't like him." is part of that.
Does dude have a gender? Could be him, her, (trans), it.
@@okanudobassey9741 The idea of an ineffable being having any kind of gender is ridiculous, when you think about it.
@@sundayoliver3147 That was sarcasm pinhead griftians don't understand. All they know is gaslighting, lying, thieving. I don't believe in your bs Neanderthal being. Don't even give a sh*t. Aight?
You literally described my parents.
They wanted me to be eternally grateful for being born and always accept that I was a 'lesser human' than they, thus I always had to give up anything I wanted or thought so I could do what they wanted.
I was told this was love. Because they "knew what is best".
When I finally had my own kid and got into therapy, both the dysfunctional family system and my religious beliefs crumbled at the same time.
I'd always shied away from seeing god as a father figure, because mine sucked... and finally I realized that my abusive dad was actually a realistic representation.
The true God of divine love is a feminine entity. Planet earth itself is feminine in the sense it gives forth life, and the sun that's all part of the cosmos sustains it.
Jesus was born from a feminine entity, all life is borne from females. In the bible where Jesus is seen to acknowledge the Father, it was actually his heavenly Mother he represented, She being the feminine entity known as the Holy Spirit and the God of divine love.
The male God entity in the OT is Satan, he was the male counterpart who worked alongside the feminine entity who together took part in the original creation in Genesis chptr one. Things were going well, that is until he rebelled in heaven. He was wanting exclusive devotion for himself and grew exceedingly jealous of his feminine counterpart. War broke out in heaven, so he was cast out down to the vicinity of the earth. He remains here and is why the earth is in such a mess. Jehovah/Yahweh/LORD and father is actually the wild beast in Revelation, also the father to the Hebrews, whom Jesus said they were from their father the devil. John 8:44
@@morningglory9288This is far from mainstream Christianity, but it makes a lot more sense...
@@ninjoshday I got this information from a specific woman who has her own you tube channel.
I cannot direct you to it, because as soon as I mention names or her channels name, my comment gets deleted.
She claims to recall her prehuman existence that dates back billions of years, as she has come from the same source as Jesus and knows both him and the true God personally. It is why she can speak with such conviction. She knows the back story to what took place, and claims the bible is not entirely authentic, it has been purposely manipulated to promote the evil God Jehovah/Yahweh/LORD who is actually Satan, as the true God of divine love.
After listening to over 200 of her videos she's put out, I have no doubt she's speaks the truth.
I feel your pain because my own parents were messed up but you have to have a willing heart and mind on your end to ask God to show you the truth about Himself and not just take people's word for things when it comes to God. He keeps His word. Our understanding is limited and minute. Ask for understanding through the Holy Spirit. I will be praying for you and others on this platform who've had crummy (understatement) parents and parents who are abusive.
Wish that you had told them that quite the opposite was true. Research antinatalism, the belief that it is cruel to bring anyone into this world, because this world is suffering. They should have catered to your needs first because they brought you into this horrible place……
I remember as a child hearing that I must do all things to win God's favor. Yet they turned around and told me that nothing I can do will win God's favor, that God's grace is given out for reasons of his own, solely. No amount of good work will "earn" his grace. That's what lost me probably more than anything else.
Good that you didn't simply move from Catholic to Protestant. Yeah, the idea that God just wills you to not be a fallen sinful ape with hellfire awaiting you seems so nice- until you realize, you know, damnation is the only other option. That's a hell of a false dichotomy (pun intended.) And it sounds like a real guilt trip too- "God gave you the gift of eternal life and you lost it!"
Didn’t he compare our righteousness to a menstrual rag?
@@a.b.2405 Interesting, since in pre-patriarchal cultures, menstrual blood was considered sacred.
@@sundayoliver3147 that is disturbing 😳 wow
The point is that our deeds will not get us into heaven. It's about faith
Reminds me of a Ben Franklin quote “I cannot conceive otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or requires no worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely above it.”
Another great takedown. Logically it is hard to imagine that God should NEED anything. Which makes the whole thing seem so man-made. God is created by us to seem perfect, but he has all of our foibles. Thanks!
God says he doesn't need anything. Where did you get that from?
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your logic is crap. As is your ability to read your own religions guidebook.
The God of the bible is clearly needy. The bible is a book of STORY after STORY of your God's needs. The 10 commandments is a list of ten things Yahweh needs wants and desires the Israelites to do.
If Yahweh didn't have needs there would have been no need to create people, let alone a whole universe.
@@garystapp1656 The fact (within the mythology, of course) it did things.
You only do things if there's a lack of something. This might be something existential (like eating, sleeping or fucking), or it might be something less necessary (writing down stories or reading them, creating art and other works of culture or just sitting down with your friends to play a round of UNO), but it's always born out of a lack of something, or in other words, a need.
If God created everything, then it had a reason to do so. If it had a reason to do so, then it had a need to do so.
Simple logic.
@@garystapp1656The Bible says God created mankind for _his own glorification..._
Just outside of the town I go to for my grocery shopping, and where my mother lives now, I have to pass by an electric billboard. Just about every time I pass the billboard, it lights up with the message "YOU WERE CREATED TO WORSHIP GOD". The church or individual that paid for it, didn't bother to include their name in the ad. The message just gives me a huge case of the creeps. It's a sick and disturbing message.
Ew. That is creepy. And a great way to program people to worship any dictator that happens along.
It's basically saying without saying it " join our cult"
I am sorry you feel creeped out and that the word worship has been presented to you negatively. When you have the Holy Spirit. When you know God, know Jesus and know the Holy Spirit and rightly as my mother once put it, the sweetness of the Holy Spirit, it isn't creepy.
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If your mom preaches Jesus she's potentially creepier than you realise
I was literally making this argument to my mother the other night. Her response was to challenge me to read my Bible and pray everyday for a month.. That's not going to change my opinion if anything its just going to reinforced my belief. I spent 28 years of my 30 in church, I i known the Bible
Isn't it funny how they jump to the claim you don't know the Bible? Most post deconstruction atheists know the bible better than a looooooottttt of christians - we actually paid attention and *thought* while we read, that's why we are athiests!
Reading the bible, especially the OT, is the surest way to cure anyone of Christianity.
I feel the same way. It I'd better I do not know the bible that I know that it reinforces my opinion if I know more.
I am lucky that I was never in any religion, In the end there is absolutely no proof of a god or gods. Saying that, when reading the Bible as an atheist I found the book to be not only sketchy but above all completely bonkers.
Ask your mother how much your grandfather was paid for selling her into marriage. See how fast her head spins.
I listen to your chats Kristi. You are about as calm and non abrasive that I could ask for. Don't weorry about the Christians. They will lie through their teeth to believe and you can't change that. Keep putting these videos out. There is a huge audience.
Lying for Jesus
Praise the load!!@@undrwatropium3724
@@undrwatropium3724Lying for sky daddy
She's so comfortable lying about God and loves being a TH-cam celebrity.
The day she debates someone one on one I will happily respect her difference but she is so one sided. She's taken clips from Christian teachers and commented on them though, which is totally subjective.
God kind of reminds me of Gaston and how he was all about being admired by others and tried to imprison Belle when she recognized he was a jerk and didn’t want him.
God isn't like that at all. I am so sorry you believe him to be like Gaston. Quite the opposite is actually true. I almost killed myself at 13 and that is how I came to know Jesus as real. Its the demons who are like Gaston.
@@warcraftaddict117 I’m glad you have a meaningful relationship with God. For me, I found meaning after I left my faith. I wish you well on the journey of life, my friend.
As a former Christian, I can relate to the craziness of the self gaslighting they put themselves through. Insane. Excellent argument!
Same, I was punishing myself for 28 years, always did everything a good catholic guy had to do and never did what I want.
@@albertoalves1063but you're not under that spell anymore..
@@bojack2740 I know and I feel better now
How are you to love your neighbor as yourself if you believe you yourself are a dirty, worthless sinner?
Love isn't supposed to hurt.
@@undrwatropium3724 all those words: "sin" "holy" "worthy" are utter bullshit.. I don't need a filthy book to tell if I'm or not good enough. I have intellect, (doesn't seem it comes from god lol)
I’ve always said this. All of the people around me my whole life have never wondered about this. They’d think of me as a foolish person so I’ve never dared to let them know how I felt. Christians are logical about everything else but they forever excuse Gods selfishness and refuse to see it.
Exactly, I deeply regret why I had pushed aside the ridiculous, disgusted stories in this book. Even if they will say NT is better, I wonder how can the NT god refer OT events as true and even will allow to write in NT that Lot is righteous? A disgusted father ever who willingly wanted his daughters to be raped! And this okay to Jesus and to Christians!? No, no more to me!
@@lh1673 Have you tried reading the Bible systematically the way it's meant to be read? Or do you just remember a handful of passages you heard from other new atheists and make judgment based on that?
@@Lerian_VI don’t need to read it wondering why Lot has said those disgusted statements. It’s absolutely WRONG no matter what! I was too stupid being super indoctrinated while believing with other Bible believers in my Christian group that Lot’s story is okay. Even to think that this man Is righteous to this book God’s eye. How was this God even watching them a father and his daughters doing 。。。in the cave😮. I should’ve threw up when I first found such a story in a so-called inspired trustworthy book! Did you know Lot’s daughters actually KNEW what they were trying to do with him was WRONG, they purposely needed him to be drunk😅, and how can’t this father KNEW what they were doing even drunk? Not once, twice! It’s just PLAINLY DISGUSTING but to this book God this story is Righteous. 2Pet. 2:7😮
@@lh1673 *"I don’t need to read it wondering why Lot has said those disgusted statements."*
Did you hear anyone apart from yourself say that the alleged statements by Lot were good? Who taught you that?
*"I was too stupid being super indoctrinated while believing with other Bible believers in my Christian group that Lot’s story is okay"*
What do you mean by Lot's story being okay? That's vague.
*"Even to think that this man Is righteous to this book God’s eye."*
Is it your understanding that Lot was judged to be a righteous man based on a particular act or his life in general? What's your view of God punishing all disgusting acts, including the one alleged here, with no exception?
@@lh1673 If you don't mind me asking, do you reject Christ because of the bad things Lot did?
There's a bit in the film Dogma, where the angel Bartleby rages that humans were shown infinite patience, while the angels were created to bow and scrape before God. I can understand his frustration, but that was the function of humans too. According to the bible, humans were created to endlessly and ceaselessy worship on thier knees. What sort of psychopath would create an entire universe, complete with living creatures, just to hear his own name forever?
Thanks for making videos like this, honestly. I’ve been losing faith in Christianity for the past week or so, and I’m still figuring out how to tell my family, especially my grandparents. I never viewed god like this, but now that I have, I think I’m gaining the courage to walk away from it.
You are going to be ok and free
If you tell your grandparents they will not understand. They have been brainwashed for too long. Very few ever brake away from the spell. It’s so powerful.
I’m in the same boat… sigh.
Good luck with your process, wherever it leads you. And there are a lot of good videos with advice for how to tell people you’re an atheist, from Paulogia to Matt Dillahunty to Genetically Modified Skeptic.
If the grandparents are loving to you, no need to tell them. It's not necessarily important. More important is, they still love you.
This is what I thought about Christianity all my life. Glad to listen to someone I am on common ground with.
I had a discussion about how God committed genocide and they said that it didn't count as genocide becuase God has the authority to do so.
It's just defending the indefensible.
One of the humorous lines from folks like Turek and Wm Craig is that if there is no God, then there is no basis for morality--there would be no absolute standard of good and evil without God. What they tend to miss is that the God of the Bible is essentially immoral by most human standards.
Is "most human standards" moral?
@@Lerian_V Pretty much, yes. We instinctively know murder is wrong. Rape is wrong. Slavery is wrong. Speeding in a school zone is wrong. Not much of a mystery there. The 10 commandments ban murder. But not rape, slavery, or speeding in a school zone. We figured that out on our own. And we instinctively know murder is wrong without being told about it by the 10 commandments. Keep in mind the Commandments also demand we keep the Sabbath holy. Even Christians think that is nonsense.
I argue that there is no objective standard of “morality” at all - even if a “god” of some sort exists: any opinions about “morality” that such an entity might hold would be every bit as subjective as that of a mere human.
true, we're supposed to get morality from a god that rapes a woman and gives the child up to be tortured and killed on a cross.
That's the new testament. The old testament starts with the fact that walking naked is a sin, but god doesn't care to tell us, only after eating the fruit the humans realise they've been sinning, but didn't know... where is the objective morality in this? It feels like the definition of subjective morality that something only becomes a sin when god decides sins now apply...
@@fotoman777 By instinctive knowledge you mean there's an objective standard that is not manmade but knowable by humans, correct?
Do you think it is my view that the Bible or the 10 Commandments is the basis/standard for human morality?
I figure that God must have an AWFUL inferiority complex in that He made beings specifically to worship Him.
Yeah, he must have a shit load of complexes. Narcissism, rage, inferiority.
“for you shall worship no other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God” Exodus 34:14
That's why I've always compared being religious to being in an abusive relationship.
Poor atheist are lazy and didn't read verses in context and run with it like a chicken with it's head cut off. The Old Testament is names that for a reason. Testament is a covenant. God and Israel made a covenant together He will be their God and they will serve as high priest to the world. This is why often the relationship between God and Israel is refer to as a marriage relationship. A husband who not jealous of his wife doesn't love his wife. I'm jealous of my wife as don't want any harm come to her including not wanting to cheat on her.
A righteous jealous will help keep me from cheating on my wife. A selfish jealousy would be not wanting my wife cheat on me when I go around and cheat on her.
@@smidlee7747 not wishing harm to come to your wife and being jealous aren't comparable. When jealousy results in the death of 3,000 people, that's an abusive relationship. Unless you believe that a cheating spouse should be murdered by one being cheated on. Jealousy usually leads to domestic violence. The death of 3,000 former worshippers proves my point.
@@FatMadt666 You are now assuming God is on the same level of existence as you.
That's like comparing me eating a chicken for dinner vs eating my neighbor. When the Son of God became flesh he killed no one. He used his power to raise a girl from the grave and died on the cross to redeem man.
Over 90 % of atheist supports abortion, sacrificing the powerless.
You want to judge God as a man then God will judge you as a man through His Son.
@@smidlee7747 I'm not assuming anything, g$d is on the same level of existence that he shares with Luke Skywalker, or Peppermint Patty. Back to my question, do think it's right to kill a cheating spouse? Do you think it's okay for the state to execute people? Why are you worried about abortions? Isn't that an example of using free will that was supposed to be ours? Has an atheist threatened to kill when they found out you believed in g$d? I've been punched in the face by an xtian when I told him I was an atheist. Seems to me if a g$d had a problem with me, he'd take care of it himself. Maybe that fat ignorant redneck was working through g$d? What if that a*hole didn't want to hit me, but g$d took his free will away long enough to throw a punch, and returned his free will after he connected with my cheek. Is that what turn the other cheek means? Punch someone else's?
@@smidlee7747Its weird because Adultery is considered the ground for divorce and Domestic Violence isn't.
I've been out of mainstream Christianity for a while now, but I only just realized how much the Bible narrative resembles real-world abusers and their behaviors. Thank you for what you're doing here.
Christianity mirrors an abusive relationship. It took me far too long to see it 😅
Since when was Christianity about being "mainstream"?
@@warcraftaddict117 Since it got tax exempt status despite the greedy pastors and priests preaching politics. Or have you not noticed the western world after Constantine?
I like your channel. It's really healthy when you grow up in and Christianity is inflicted upon you to really deconstruct the abuse. Thanks for your service! ❤
I'm glad you see it as abuse.
The entire religion is based on guilt and shame perpetuated by fear and it is abusive to teach children they are dirty, worthless evil sinners.
How will those children navigate their life? Big sigh 😞
Christianity isn't about inflicting. However, those who can "deconstruct" their faith do not have the real solid rock and have a foundation which will fall.
When I was a Christian, I would tell others that "Worship" is _responding_ to God. If he/she/it doesn't give you reason to respond with love and worship, then that god is failing.
I love your videos. You're a good communicator. 🧡
This was my biggest wake up call. The God of the bible is a narcissist.
"...I am a jealous god..." Exodus 20:5
@@visaman Christians know that verse too. And it's like, Christians are supposed to be like God, but not be jealous, but God is jealous, but it's ok because he's God but he's not above the rules he is the perfection of the rules but his jealousy is righteous it's different because he's God.
I never put that much thought into it, but just did walk away from Christianity. No regrets.@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
Yes aside from that God has Favoritism and unfair for some individuals.
@@jasonamosco318 Christians: his apparently unfairness is actually infinite fairness. Praise God.
It's funny that I was always told "you don't question God ". I'm just now realizing that they said that because they have no answers because it's silly as hell.
Hell isn't silly. Have you ever met a demon? Ever sensed how minutely powerless we are a humanity unless empowered by evil delving into the occult (to some extent) or sensed the incomparable power of the Holy Spirit?
Demons are only in movies , books and the minds of religious people. There’re just no evidence of the existence of demons outside of that .
God: Hey I'm all powerful, all-loving, all-knowing, omnipresent. I'm all of it
I created y'all. You better worship me.
I need praise, praise, praise
Oh I'm so needy. Sooooooo needy. .......
I'm too needy for my car
Too needy for my car
Too needy by far
And I'm too needy for my hat
Too needy for my hat
What ya think about that?
I'm too needy for my creation
Too needy for my creation
Creation's going to leave me.....
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Good one!
My dawg Zheng you left out the numero uno thing: this "creator" needs money money money!
cognitive dissonance hypothesis: when children don't get unconditional love, it traumatizes them for narcissistic abuse, which is why they don't see love missing in what they say or how they act
Stockholm Syndrome too.
“God is a kid with an ant farm” and a magnifying glass🔍
I have a better question - why does anyone even believe that there is a god or gods???
His ultimate love that he showed us is that he gave his only begotten son to die for our sins. If someone let their child be murdered for me, I would question their sanity and love… even as a Christian my whole life, I had to have cognitive dissonance to not make that connection. Second, I didn’t ask to be here or have a son die for my sins. Human sacrifice is weird…
yea, human sacrifice. nice
And he made up the rule too!! We're supposed to be thankful that he sacrificed his "only son" for our sins when he's the one to make up the rule that someone/something has to be sacrificed in the first place.
The story says he’s supposedly immortal. That means he couldn’t be murdered. If anything it was performance art.
@@branthlysauveur359 Exactly! It’s his universe, right? So why would you make that rule? Yes I get that sin is serious because we all want a better society. But why not just let karma hit them then? Why not just have natural serious consequences for sin?
Human sacrifice is bad and savage when non-Christian do it, but human sacrifice in Abrahamic and Christianity is selfless and righteous. Mind-you the bible said an innocent life can not be sacrificed for another's sin. However, the Bible also has burnt offerings, which is strange.
Excellent video Kristi. I hadn't thought about things from this perspective before. The verses you chose were excellent and supported the point you made (that God is inherently selfish - almost to the point of narcissism). Another key verse you might have used is Revelation 4:8-11 - where the 24 elders are continually prostrating themselves before God, grovelling before Him, telling God how worthy He is (and simultaneously declaring their own unworthiness by throwing their crowns before Him). This type of behaviour is disturbing for all the reasons that you outlined in your video.
Reading the Bible through a Protestant (Calvinist) lens will get you to where you are now. Christians read the Bible differently before the Protestant movement/ideology sprang up and took over most of Europe and subsequently became the foundation of America. The Calvinist god, which the god atheists are familiar with, is capricious and not worth my worship. I worship the true God the way Christians have understood him since the first century in the Church Christ himself founded.
@@Lerian_V 🤣
@@Amazing_Mark 🫡
You haven't experienced heaven. You don't understand. They delight to do this. It is not out of obligation. Is there any joy or hope in what you place your faith in? Who or what DO you place your faith in?
@@warcraftaddict117it's extortion. Explain why it's not extortion. Believe and worship me or I will punish you forever. That's extortion
I called god selfish for seeking praise one day and a guy replied with something similar to, "he doesnt want praise, its just that he is deserving of it."
And all i could think of was, "that's just what the selfish deity would want you to think." -_-
They'll tell you that god made the wonders of the universe and the beauty that is life on earth, but the sole purpose behind it all is to justify us kissing his as.s for eternity. And that doesn't ring any alarm bells in their heads
you've put into words exactly what my problem is with christianity. i'm 18, dutch, raised a christian and am still occasionally dragged along to church by my parents. my church is one where people are typically more critical and sensible than i've seen many other christians be, but the past few months i've felt so incredibly out of place in all of it. this video explains exactly why. if god is like he is described in the bible - cruel and selfish - why would i ever worship him? and if the bible isn't accurate about god, then why do christians still use the stupid book all the time?? it doesn't make any sense.
I’ve read your comment and was wondering
You question your religion which is a good thing.
Are you considering leaving Christianity and live as a atheist?
And what do your parents think about you questioning god, the bible and Christianity in general?
I am lucky that I was never in any religion, In the end there is absolutely no proof of a god or gods. Saying that, when reading the Bible as an atheist I found the book to be not only sketchy but above all completely bonkers.
European Churches I have heard are very religious and sadly do not understand or appreciate the power of the Holy Spirit. Jesus saved me from taking my own life, a gift He gave me and spared me, showing me the consequences and the evil glee of demons dancing around me who wanted me to take my own life. That that wasn't what He wanted for me. That He loved and loves me and had been merciful and a joy to me.
@@freeman10000 I’m lucky I wasn’t raised in it either. So it was easier for me to see through the nonsense of all religions , especially Christianity!
Kristi, keep doing these. You know you'll receive pushback. Don't let that stop you from spreading the truth!
Thats the problem. It isnt the truth
Warcraftaddict117 - truth really hurts. Kristi is spreading the bitter reality of God of the Bible. And that's is truth.
Yes, he is very selfish
I would describe him as a Big Baby.
He is like a toddler with interdimensional powers@@bobgreenfield9158
I loved everything about this video. This is the exact explanation I used when I “came out” as a non-Christian to my dad. Too much critical thinking for many people of faith to understand. Thank you so much!
Yes my mom still tells me how unnatural my love is for a woman. Because we can't have kids from each other. Like I'm more than my function of my womb and ovaries. Not everything is about creation, that's why we overpopulated and these kids are hurt as is. Yall think it's responsibility to pop out babies. Like I could go on n on. But she loves me just hates the sin. Love the person but they can't be near her, but abusive step daddy can.
Don’t worry about the hate. You put out good content so keep it going! One day people will open their eyes. I could only imagine a world without religion…what a paradise.
Well we don't have to really imagine it because a world without religion is upon us. People are realizing that a "uptopia" manmade with no rules ...well...it kinda sucks and ...we are learning consequences of that wish coming true we did not consider in our previously idolzied brains. The bible addresses both useless and useful religion. It doesn't throw everything out with the bathwater.
Another great piece from you Kristi. God has never communicated with anybody. The writers of the Bible wrote whatever came to their minds.
Sham9909 - I’m a bit skeptical by nature so how do you know that. Can you prove the Apostles made it all up? Can you prove the Apostolic Father's merely claimed whatever was on their mind. Can you prove they never spoke to Jesus Christ or that Jesus Christ is not God incarnate?
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One monogram for Jesus is the IHS. This is also the monogram of Bacchus.
God has communicated with me.
@@jamieostrowski4447Do he give you the winning lottery numbers?
@@Equinox2149 Something worth a lot more than money.
I’m so glad to finally be freed from all of this. The weight of all of this for eternity was a lot. I remember not caring about an afterlife because I felt that if it’s still just me praising then what kind of life is that?? I still don’t care about an afterlife and I’m not convinced one exist. I know I’m currently alive and I want to do as much as I can with the one life I know for certain that I have. Thanks for the video! Love your content 😊❤
Here is a challenging but good question: What WOULD cause you to believe an afterlife existed?
@@warcraftaddict117 what’s challenging for some is not challenging for others. I’m in the ladder category. I’m simply not interested in believing in fairytales. I never have been. It was fun as a child but I prefer reality
Religion perfectly replicates family disfunction. Instead of putting the oppressor's needs before the child, you put god's needs before your own.
God needs money to support the priests who invented him.
God be like: let's abuse & confuse these new toys I created for our amusement & "glory" & package it as 'Mysterious Love.' Then we can abuse them more for being ungrateful.
You have such a negative and false outlook on art and artists in general.
Apparently we were made in his Image of love and fairness but when we start to realize things, it's because we are so different and limited to understand the God's version of love.
I feel obliged to notice that great artists, composers, painters, sculptors, poets, who _have_ chosen to glorify the God that they believed in (and not just Christian) have created some of the greatest treasures in our wealth as a civilized species (but this is no argument against any of the flawless points you make).
As far as I'm concerned, I would follow you as you walked the Hills of Galilee preaching these truths rending the Wizard's (Oz) Curtain, "outing" this "morally bankrupt" myth reflecting not the glory of creation, but our own weaknesses as evolved social, competitive creatures.
You are absolutely terrific.
Vincent Van Gogh is an interesting character regarding his religious beliefs
That is nice you recognize this about the music and art
@@warcraftaddict117 Yup, Bach has been the major artistic contributor to my life, and his art is as thoroughly grounded in Christianity as any artist who has ever lived. The Christian Narrative makes compelling drama in music etc., but is not to me a believable explanation of nature, science, or history.
We live to stroke his ego, but if we don't, we burn forever, and if we do, we get to live in a cloud land and......... stroke his ego forever? I don't know which one's worse. So, assuming God exists, he's a complete narcissist.
Ah yes, but it's 'free will'...
@@DocReasonable Exactly 💯 Giving us "free will" to absolve himself of all responsibility for the system that he "created."
I didn't know about how awful, powerful and insidious brainwashing was (or even what it was), so I never understood how all the religious adults around me couldn't see how creepy their cult and its god(s) were/are.
The narcissistic aspect made no sense whatsoever (again, before I knew the word).
I find it sad you didn't ask God who He was then and continue to not ask God who He is. Don't trade the Truth for a lie. The price is too high.
@@warcraftaddict117 "The price is too high."
Did you just call God a petty cunt?
@@warcraftaddict117 "I find it sad you didn't ask god who it was"
It's far sadder (and far more dangerous) that you never had the courage to think for yourself, never grew up, and, instead, fell for an utterly immoral, illogical, corrosive, infantile myth.
Funnily enough, I saw this video on my TH-cam feed after scrolling through the "raised by narcissists" subreddit for half an hour out of morbid curiosity.
This God character is a narcissistic parent, through and through. He is a textbook case of NPD. And billions throughout history worshipped him!
He's not very subtle about it either. Putting the tree of knowledge in Eden when he knew Adam and Eve would eat from it. Messing with Pharaoh's mind so he could have an excuse to play with his dolls. Making the arc of the covenant out of gold with a gold cover, and even gold on the inside. The man is utterly self obsessed, not to mention materialistic.
"If He who in Himself can lack nothing chooses to need us, it is because we need to be needed." -C.S. Lewis
@@jamieostrowski4447 Of course CSLewis also thinks Jesus could be a liar or lunatic, but the Bible was truthfully recorded, by the people who brought into the lie/lunacy... because... uh... it just is!
@@jamieostrowski4447 I love that quote because it also states that christians are arrogant and think an omnipotent celestial dictator wants a personal relationship with them. Or in short: Ancient hebrew tribes made up a god to feel special. And christians ran with it.
@@mattmorehouse9685 That sounds like word salad. Can you try again, please? It is unclear what you're getting at.
I grew up in a horse a buggy Mennonite church, I was lucky to have that one weird single uncle that enjoyed reading and talking about scientific discoveries, (it was extremely unordinary in a church where the main occupation was farming, to find anybody else who was interested in nuclear physics and quantum theory) I took it a step further and applied some scientific scrutiny to the bible, an inevitably became an atheist through the process, although looking back I must have been kidding myself on some level cause I had unvoiced doubts going as far back as 10 years old .
nice all my uncles tried to finger with me.
We live in an upstate NY area where there are many Amish and Mennonites, and I often wonder and feel very sorry for their kids, particularly the 10% or so who will inevitably be gay and spend their entire lives hiding it, and hating themselves. Congratulations on escape. Kind thoughts.
Imo I see science as putting God's creation into some type of explanation. It's interesting to me that people try to use science to disprove God
You're very intelligent and not hard on the eyes either. Keep going. Subscribed and liked.
If I spent my whole life loving, praising, & worshipping "God," & then was "rewarded" by having to just keep loving, praising, & worshipping "Him" for eternity, it would be a freaking punishment!!
Ya know, I am now understanding deeper the precious patience of God's true saints---those who don't cash in on their rewards now and here on earth only. Jesus assured us that those who seek after such SURELY have their "reward". Their reward. Not His reward. Thank God heaven is not the way Kari thinks it is.
The other rejoinder is "you just wanted to go on sinning". Which is bizarre as the people I know who've left were moral before and continue to be afterward. I think it really is just a way to reinforce what they've been told, reciting this garbage like a mantra.
What you do HERE certainly is not selfish. I appreciate you.
Sin has its own "morality" if you will. People choose it, cherish, value it instead of choosing a relationship with God, they choose a relationship (toxically) with sin.
@@warcraftaddict117 that is a false dichotomy-even if a relationship with sin were possible, its opposite isn’t a relationship with an imaginary god.
Hi Kristi. I'm a Brazilian, atheist and an English learner. I found your channel while searching for content to practice my listening skills. I can't stop watching your videos. I have to say that your opinions about the christian god and the bible match perfectly with mine. I never thought that someone had the same perspective as me because I don't talk about these subjects with other people. I'm grateful to you for sharing your thoughts. You've helped me to see that I'm on the right way
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Then I suggest/ recommend listening to God with willingness.
I've been making this point for so long and I can't tell you how refreshing it is to finally hear someone else making this exact point in a video that also outlines the evidence to back it up. Thank you!
This comment is off topic. Apologies. I am finding myself so frustrated by the brainwashed Christians responding to you negatively in their videos. I am so happy that it doesn’t bother you. You are intelligent, and grounded. I love your channel. What you are saying about Christianity needs to be said. Keep on going Kristi! Your channel is growing for a reason. We love you and support you. Even for Christians, you bring up important points that needs to be reflected upon. 😊
My dad forbade my mom and I to keep going to a solid teaching church. He was a narcissist. He isolated us terrorized my mom and tried to brainwash me, all the while projecting what he himself was doing to accuse the church of teaching me sound doctrine because he wanted to control. Even threatened that I wasn't leaving home like I told him I was at age 22. Creepy. He forbad me to get baptized. I wanted to know God. I got to know God through a suicide attempt at age 13. God doesn't brainwash. Satan and his minions are the real brainwashing deceivers. God love you so SO MUCH.
Thoroughly agree with you. Of course shallow minds will say, "but Jesus died for you. What greater love is that"? Again, very shallow argument. Thanks for posting this. Needed to hear this from someone else.
Plus, he didn't exactly _die_ die. He got better after a couple of days, and he even knew beforehand that he would. Hardly the ultimate sacrifice...
if we replace the word "god" with the word Devil, everything false into place
I think another huge reason people can’t think about this critically is the whole idea that we are inherently bad and flawed. If you have this mindset, you doubt yourself anytime you question a thing.
And that idea comes from the story of Eden-- we're wrong just for existing, and have to work hard to make up for it, but we can never really make up for it, so we have to work and sacrifice more. Hm, wonder who benefits from that ethos?
When I used to be a christian, that was actually part of the justification for this that I was taught: "When god demands worship it's okay because as the perfect and holy creator he actually deserves it. But if a human demanded the same thing it's not okay, because as inferior creatures we do not deserve it."
@@clickmeow I suppose that logic kind of makes sense too, accept for the fact that to require that doesn’t seem loving or perfect. I had the same ideas taught to me. My dad used to constantly drill the idea that we are filthy sinners and undeserving of gods grace and how amazing he is for giving us grace and dying for out sins. The idea that he felt such shame taking on our sins on that cross always stuck with me.
It’s disgusting now that I’m out of it to think of how much I really hated myself because of these toxic doctrines and beliefs.
Well said, as always, friend. Very interesting take on the subject. People never seem to really take the time to think about how absurd the proposition is that a god would arbitrarily create an entire species knowing that most of them would go to hell, just to be reminded of his own glory.
Heaven started out as the six months (spring equinox - autumn equinox) and Hell being the six months (autumn equinox - spring equinox. We, in the northern hemisphere are headed straight to Hell. Meanwhile, those in the southern hemisphere are headed straight o Heaven.
YESSS! Another Kristi video. What a wonderful surprise. 🙂
I'm impatiently waiting for the women's singles final to begin at the US Open 🎾, so I'll enjoy watching this in the meantime.
THIS is the problem I've always had. My dad was a narcissist, and as much as I've tried over the years to reconcile that with my Christianity, that it's different because he's God... I just can't.
So was my dad but God showed me because I was willing and because people taught me rightly who He was and is that God is NOT a narcissist. It is terrible that your parent is a narc. I don't know why God showed me and let me experience His love. I wish I could tangibly bring it to you and others in some way that would translate and that you could understand. All I can say is God isn't and share my experiences with you and others. He loves you immensely. The church at large, yes, is beyond poorly equipped to understand narcissism and the like, even in leadership, sadly. I recommend "The Royal We" who is one of the few Christian channels tackling the topic. I also have been blessed by listening to secular folks like Dr. Ramani and such. Christian voices regardng this topic are few and far between but they do exist.
@@warcraftaddict117you are a great example of what its like to be brainwashed by religion. .
I can honestly say now that I truly know what love is! I have condemned people when in the faith and i feel terrible for it! I love listening to you! And i truly love you and everyone else for real now! Its a fresh of breath air!!! Thanks, Kristi, for being so brave and determined to actually apeak what is true!!!!!!!
But it is not true, even she says this is her opinion. As believers we ARE called to think critically. To hold everything we hear to see how it compares to the infallible. We are NOT called to be critical spirited. There is a difference. We are called to call out untruths and challenge in debate.
This is the most reasonable analysis of that cult belief that I've ever heard.
Had to subscribe! You have helped me so much 🩵🎨. Thank you
As you were talking, I realised that my parents (both dead) wanted me to 'glorify' them through my behaviour. That is, behaviour they approved of. I 'glorified' them when I married a 'good girl' and when I had three children, but I 'dishonoured' them when we were divorced and when I became estranged from my children. I even 'dishonoured' them by asking one of their friends for a week's credit in exchange for a couple of packs of tobacco. "What about our reputation!?" they cried in objection. For me (and for the friend!), this had been a mundane arrangement illustrating my trustfulness. That's just one example. There are many, many others.
I'm a lifelong atheist and my parents were 'ex-Christians'.
Shame that they weren't able to deconstruct their attitudes in the same way they deconstructed their faith. I hope you're in a better place now.
@@ninjoshday thanks 😊 It took me 60+ years to uncover my parents' m.o. through extensive therapy for addiction and my own work, but I recognise that I still operate under my parents' rules in too many circumstances despite them both having died. It's an ongoing process of self-realisation. One day I will be free. 👍
@@user-wg8vc2is4w Advice: fuck em. They are not worthy of your affection nor consideration. Dont try to appease selfish people youre going to be miserable all damn day.
I used to think that the Atheist Experience, The Line, Aron Ra and Paulogia were the best at debunking Christianity and theism. But Kristi and Mindshift are right there with them! Great job and please keep up the good work. It’s still sorely needed.
Totally agree.
@@jasbo9734 And me to the list
Kristi, you explain so much so well and the clear logic you use to explain the truth.
Only it is not truth. She even said it is her opinion.
But Kristi, we DO love and adore you. Worship? Maybe not so much. 😂😂😂
I think Kristi is great and very modest. Got to love that about her!
@@JustReed Yep. And that’s just one of her endearing qualities. Her explanations have helped me to understand what prompted me to walk away from Christianity.
6:45 My husband’s “mother” is the way Kristi describes here.. so sick and sad. And since he had a mind of his own, and was strong-willed, he became his “mother’s” scapegoat. She abused him his whole life (still does) because he doesn’t worship the ground she walks on. True narcissism.
If she still does...why do you LET her?
@@warcraftaddict117 I’ll give you the benefit of that doubt that you’re ignorant to narcissism.
Spot on Kristi. People like you, who speak honestly about god, are bound to get criticized and verbally assaulted by believers because they quickly come internally conflicted. But you always take the high ground. Good on you. Excellent video.
Yeah, she's way better than me. I get pissed and can't stay off the low ground. 🙁
As you were describing god, Donald Trump kept coming to mind! Both leaders of cults.
I'm beginning to think that the Abrahamic religions are an OG cult.
Parrots who go "Squawk! Trumpists are cult. Trumpists are cult! Squawk!"
Are just reciting from the
creed book of their counter cult.
It annoys me how something
so devoid of insight becomes so often said with satisfaction as
ritual pomp.
I recognize the process of going from not liking Biblical God to seeing the incoherence between the official God and the Biblical one(s) to losing faith in God :) Not in a straight time line but more of different processes happening at once. You explain well!
I wish that the good Christians I love could leave the faith of God and still find new purpose and keep (most of) their moral sense :) But I think they are in too deep. It's too difficult to realize the messages they have not only believed but preached for decades, may not be coherent and true. I was just 25 and it was still hard.
There's a comment further up from someone who said he was a believer for 60 years-- then started reading the parts of the bible he hadn't been spoon-fed -- and decamped from Christianity. I wrote saying I admired that, because it is harder I think when older -- but it can still happen, I was encouraged to find. It's also true that as people get older there's a tendency to stop tolerating BS, because it's easy to see that life is short.
@@sundayoliver3147 that’s hopeful😊
Thanks for your thoughtful comments. I too have come to the realization that Christianity is a man-made system.
Man created God in his own image
Told to you by somehow mankind who is more trustworthy in your mind than God Himself?
I grew up in this BS. So glad I woke up. To anyone questioning: GET OUT. You’re being gaslit into being controlled. Get away from those people until you can make up your own mind.
Same here
im an atheist, always was. The whole idea of "Love me or GO TO HELL" is so laughable, it makes god the ultimate serial killer. How do billions of ppl believe this BS?