the mere implication that "logic" is somehow involved in "concluding" that someone rose from the dead, just implies a fundamental lack of grasp of what a LOGICAL DEDUCTIVE ARGUMENT looks like. IMHO the biggest problem with such "logic" is "starting with unfounded premises" which appears to have been at least exemplified by a "logical deduction" offered by saint thomas aquinas. And that same sermonette of his, appeared to praise or idolize Aristotle. Ari of course was famous for "applying philosophy" to "solve" some question or other. But Ari was NOT known to actually examine PHYSICAL EVIDENCE to either support or refute some tacit presumption he had made about the nature of the question in the first place. Apparently Aristotle wanted to think about things but not get his hands dirty. Really as a side-question, I wonder if Plato regarded Aristotle as one of his arguably failed students. In the larger arc of history, we can note that Aristotle is not especially noted as a major contributor to the rise of science. His implied logic DOES HOWEVER appear popular among "church" theologians. And in Frank Turek's arguments I see the rather prominent ghosts of it.
It's true though. With all of the historical evidence, all of the secular writers, and how accurate the Bible is you need to ignore many facts about it
@@lovespeaks777 WRT "...Do you believe in objective evil?..." we would first have to vaguely agree on what such a phrase means. second, personally I have little or no use at all for a phrase like "believe in" since apologetics tends to use it as an excuse to posit some implied premise without having to justify it. Instead, emotional attachment (especially the kind that buddhism warns about) is implied to be a justification that others should somehow find compelling. Not this viewer. You have to cite reasons for claiming a premise to be true or your deductive argument is a house built upon beach sand. And even then, I reserve the right to critically evaluate whatever premise my opponent might be claiming I should hold.
Went to an event of Frank’s at my church when I was a teen. I had a really hard time, because it actually made my uncertainty and anxiety about my faith feel worse. The more Frank Turek stuff I watch now, the more I understand why attending that event was so unconvincing and disturbing to me as a teen
One reason he gave as to "what about people who never heard" was pretty bad and I remember it still. He said that god's spirit didn't send them there because none of them would have believed anyways. That is a bold answer. So god's evidence was that weak that none would accept it? It is just bad apologetics.
@@polystrate1yeah that argument has always been deeply flawed. Human "belief" has never been hard to achieve with sufficient evidence. The most hardcore atheist wouldn't deny the sun's existence, because it's inescapably real.
@@jonjeskie5234What's worse is that God is evidently perfectly capable of providing evidence that is just as irrefutable, he just chooses not to. God appears and speaks directly to dozens of people in the Bible, produces obvious and spectacular miracles that defy all explanation, and is a palpable and tangible force the Israelites can't deny. So weird that he stopped doing that kind of stuff at the precise moment that a bunch of iron age savages trying to justify their claim to Judea to the Persian emperor finished writing their book...
@@polystrate1 The gospel of Luke says that every person will see the salvation of God: Luke 3:6 “And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.” Also see Romans 1:20-21 “His invisible attributes-His eternal power and His divine nature-have been clearly seen ever since the creation of the world, being understood through the things that have been made. So people are without excuse-for even though they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God or give Him thanks. Instead, their thinking became futile, and their senseless hearts were made dark.”
I once had a conversation with a DEEPLY religious woman I used to work with. I told her that, one of the MANY reasons why the Millennials, Gen Z and Alpha are walking away from Christianity is that, at least in the US, there are now roughly 45,000 different denominations of it you can belong to that are all in direct competition with each other. My former coworker then said: “It’s not 45,000 different schools of thought, it’s 45,000 different expressions of the SAME idea”. So I then asked her: “So, what would a Catholic, a Mormon and a Jehovah’s Witness sit down and actually agree on”? She then responded with: “Well, I don’t think any of those are REALLY Christians”. I bust out laughing. I told her that, if you were to put those 3 groups combined, they totaled to about 1.27 BILLION people. 1/8th of the human race. Don’t let Turek fool you. They (the Christians) couldn’t disagree with each other harder if they tried. They argue about EVERYTHING. Once he can nail down which of the 45,000 different schools of thought I’m supposed to believe, then and ONLY then, he can attempt to sell that to anyone…..
matthew 7:14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
@@plussizebarbie9484 Classic. Using the Bible to prove the Bible. Maybe I should grab the Quran and start quoting that as “proof” that IT is the one narrow path to salvation. What are you willing to bet that, if I went and looked for “proof” or validation that Harry Potter is the greatest hero ever in the book: The Sorcerer’s Stone, that I’m probably going to find it?
@@vadouis-rt3of OR, and stay with me on this one, MAYBE, someone in the room when the Bible was being copied and pasted together and the Council of Nicaea, already knew that MANY people would take one look at the claims of the book and call BS on it. So, they needed to put in automatic defenses to make sure that people didn’t question the logical fallacies or inaccuracies or contradictions within and always default to “faith” or future apologetics. So, lines such as that are created to make sure that, when problems with the Bible come up, there’s yet another automatic defense mechanism to be called on to convince the person who buys into it to NOT think, NOT question and to not call BS. All 3 Monotheistic religions have these mechanisms in place to make sure you don’t question but that does NOT in fact, prove it’s “authenticity”. Cults all around the world to this day use the same type of mechanisms to make sure that you NEVER question dear leader, even if their teachings of prophecies don’t happen or don’t line up with reality to keep you constantly chasing the carrot on the string. There are countless mechanisms like this in Christianity. 1: The BS line you threw at me. 2: You were NEVER really a TRUE Christian because once you’re a REAL Christian, you turn away from your faith. 3. Demons are getting into your mind and trying to sabotage your faith. 4. It’s the Devil trying to lead you astray. 5. You’re just going to the wrong church or reading the wrong interpretation of the Bible. 6. You didn’t pray hard enough or believe hard enough. 7. But but but, look at the world and the wars and violence, that PROVES it’s true. 8. If you ever leave the faith after knowing about it or being apart of it, you’re now going to be labeled an “apostate” or some other garbage just like it, basically saying you’re now less than the gum on the bottom of my shoe and 9. Because of #8, the believers in the group are now to SHUN you forever UNITL you come back into the fold… There are endless more just like this that I have no doubt you have used yourself…. For one example of the problem with this line of thinking: The science in the Bible is taken from the Jews from the Babylonian during the Babylonian Captivity of 600 BC. Best science on the planet at the time, but we’ve learned a thing or two about a thing or two since then and the overwhelming majority of the science and claims about the universe have been proven to be inaccurate. The earth is NOT 10,000 years old, it’s 4.5 billion. There is ZERO evidence of a world wide flood. Etc. I’ll give you another example: In Matthew 27:52-53, it says the bodies of the dead saints rose from the graves and were walking around the “holy city”. And yet, we cannot, to this day, find a single other historian that backs that claim up. Not one. I guess the Zombie Apocalypse and people resurrecting from the dead was something of a banality at the time because no one outside of the Bible, felt compelled to comment on that. Not…..one. Right then and there, you’re now at an impasse. If you truly believe that God gave ALL of knowledge and wisdom to the writers of the Bible and it is without error and to question one or all of the now debunked claims about science or lack of corroborating evidence found in the Bible is to turn into a “reprobate mind” as you’re calling me, then you can just close your eyes, cover your ears and pretend that this can be somehow explained away with an ocean of apologetics. For me, when the claims of the Bible does not comply with our reality, we have the tough obligation to abandon such things and to accept the reality as it is given to us and what it has to teach us. Sorry bud, but you don’t get to use the Bible to prove the Bible. That’s NOT how proof works, just like the Jews don’t get to use the Torah to prove the Torah, or the Muslims using the Quran to prove the Quran. Just some food for thought…. “What is the difference between a cult and a religion”? In a cult, there is someone up top who KNOWS that everything in the cult is BS. In a religion…..that person died a long time ago”…….
I swear i try to be fully openminded when i listen to these apologists but... who didnt roll eyes back as soon as he says the first question: "Does truth exist?" 😐
@@vadouis-rt3of ***comments***WRT People are always reluctant to change. ***for good or ill *** What do you think happened when Jesus told the people to repent? ***I am far from convinced that he actually said anything like that. Judaism of the period was not elaborately eschatological and orthodox still is not today*** When Jesus rebuked the religious leaders of the day, did they embrace Him? They wanted to kill Him. ***I am reasonably confident that they eventually did kill him. He was mortal and is still dead. *** People questioned His authority. Who does He think He is, telling us to repent? Who made Him a judge over us? ***claiming some authority to tell others what to do, was hardly a new concept *** Is that not the reaction of people to the message of Jesus Christ? ***nobody called him by that label during his lifetime. it was AT BEST invented by saul of tarsus, who never met him directly. *** "You should not judge." The people throw water, spit give us the finger and are generally hostile, even though the truth is being told them. ***maybe try coming across as less condescending and arrogant *** It seems to me that people have not changed even after many centuries have passed. ***why would they change THEN when they do not change NOW *** That is why Christians have to contend for the faith. ***whose problem is that really. ***
This is true. God doesn't need anyone for anything. The opposition to God desperately needs something to argue with though. The love of sin will look anywhere for justification and validation. I suppose the opposition has a better chance to think outside of the love of sin if debating another human rather than a rock. Notice how people come to and ask the apologist? The apologist is merely trying to help understanding by answering a question to his/her best ability. Take it or leave it, but the apologist isn't seeking validation from man nor is he thinking that he somehow validates God's existence. Ultimately, he is all too aware that he isn't needed in the slightest for God's will. He is the one that needs God. The will and creation still stands without him.
@@tracyavent-costanza346 I don't know. I can't recall anyone trying to sell me anything when I wasn't a Christian. Salvation is free. Take it or leave it. The people seeking out answers through an apologist in this context are just that; people seeking truth. The apologist has just made himself available for those people to share his perspective that they sought out. I find that more of a burden than a sell. I don't leave my house seeking the door to door salesman to find out what goods he's got for me. Sure, there are street preachers, but again, they aren't selling anything. Hopefully, they are merely preaching the Gospel and with nothing to gain.
I don’t think Turek’s video is for atheists. His logic is to poor to convince atheists. His video is to help theists justify their beliefs to themselves.
@@ChristianApologeticsProject Your comment is really unhinged. Atheist and deconstruction channels exist. Just as Christian channels, Hindu channels and New Age channels exist. People make TH-cam, TikTok, and other SM content about what they believe or not believe. There really is no valid reason for this obsession you seem to have with Kristi in particular. Unless of course you are particularly obsessed with HER in particular for reasons known only to you. But for all observing how you are conducting yourself, it comes across as creepy and mentally ill for a person to just be stalking all of her channels, attacking those who enjoy her content, and posting defamation. That is not sane behavior.
Was expecting something solid from Frank but he fumbled the ball right from point 1… Christianity just doesn’t promote critical thinking. Good job with this Kristi!
@@banjo4053 Basically you believe in a magic sky wizard that created everything, knows the thoughts of every person on the planet and sees what every one of them are doing all at the same time (Critical thinking? I think not!). There is no proof of any god and there are no "best arguments" that have not already been ripped to shreds by the likes of Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and many, many others. Christians (and other religions for that matter) never have anything new to say that hasn't already been debunked. How could they? They study from poorly written books containing many contradictions that were created by iron age man prior to science.
@@4ndytrout46 that's why you are listening to someonelike Kristy, because you have to be spoon fed. At least search up debates where views and idea's are being directly challenged.
@@banjo4053 I don't know why I expected anything other than condescension from a Christian. It's cute that you think I haven't looked up discussions and debates. I was hoping you could maybe point me to something I haven't seen but I guess not.
@@jezebelvibes The argument is that God is the ultimacy of reality. Meaning without God you have no ultimate grounding or foundation for anything including things like evidence, morality, science, knowledge. Etc. This denial of God leads to absurdity
@@broddr nope it's actually an argument for a personal God. Without a personal omniscient God you can't know anything at all. You could never account for anything because you have no ultimate grounding or foundation
I'm actually surprised by his first "point." I've seen apologists say things like "Without God there can be no objective truth." and I assumed that's where he was going. But instead he just... claimed that truth exists and moved on. And it had nothing to do with the rest of his argument. Like the whole first "point" was just filler.
I guess he's just trying to say that if truth doesn't exist, then Christianity can't be true. But truth does exist. So that can't be an argument used against Christianity. But it definitely does nothing for proving Christianity is true.
@christophergibson7155 The problem is we don't believe anything your anonymously written book of ancient myths has to say, lol. You might as well be quoting from a Steven King novel and expect us to accept it as truth.
It probably was just filler as it's a well known strategy. You start with something that grabs attention but that will have pretty much everyone agreeing with you. That makes them more open to the rest of your arguments. The strategy is then to slowly ease into less credible territory, making it seem like it's not such a huge step from the previous point.
@@christophergibson7155 nope, you got a book that says a wizard said that, about a magical invisible sky wizard, so don't care if a wack job religious nut said a thing, especially when that thing is stupid, childish, magical, nonsense.
@banjo4053 Every single time Christians claim "science doesn't have an answer, therefore God!" you have been later proved wrong on this non sequitur. You are employing the old "God of the gaps" argument. DNA will prove no different. Science will eventually prove abiogenisus true. It may take another 100 or 200 years, but it is inevitable. Magic performed by a God or Goddess is a terrible and unreliable path to truth.
“If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.” Charles Darwin If Charles Darwin was alive today we would say his own theory of evolution is not possible… which points directly to a Creator.
You explain these concepts so well. Thank you! As I've been deconstructing I've been overwhelmed with all the new terms and philosophical concepts that hadn't crossed my path before. There's kind of a language to deconstruction that you break down and it helps so much. Grateful for you!
I just can't take Frank seriously. I can't. There's Low-Bar Bill who happily declared he didn't care "if there was only one chance in a MILLION that Christianity was true", that was good enough for him. Then there's Frank. Not only is he a YEC, with all the reality denial that entails, he told his audience of Christians that it was a GOOD THING they don't have originals of the Bible. That the "best" way to preserve the originals is not to preserve the originals at all. What a bloody turkey!
Honestly, frank is low hanging fruit. And I fully recognize that. But he's made a very successful career out of convincing a lot of people he's got a firm grasp on logic and reality. and he's probably the most recommended apologist in my comments.
@@jezebelvibes Sorry if I gave the wrong impression. NONE of the professionals actually strike me as NOT being low-hanging fruit. Craig is better at dressing up his nonsense but it's still obvious to me that this is all it is and all he's doing. I think Frank is just.. more popular. He talks at a lower educational level that more people are comfortable at. But he's not really much worse than Craig in my view. I find pretty much all of them to be smug sophists. I suspect most of them know they're deceiving their audience and don't care that they're hurting people. "They're just words. Words don't hurt." kind of thing. And Frank I think knows he's talking shit.
You are lying about what Bill Craig argued. Triple warrant is not a low bar. Try to stop lying about his game theory response to a question pertaining to game theory is Dr Craig's only response. Liars suck.
@@JimCastleberry Poor kid, calm down. Take a break and then come back and fix your reply to something coherent. From what I can tell, you're upset that I don't respect an unreasonable position held by a sophist. Craig is dishonest, he didn't reason his way to Christianity, he took a promise of a bribe and went all-in on it. I've WATCHED the segment where Craig said this on why he accepted Christianity. I'm USING HIS WORDS. Quit lying for a liar.
Yes, it’s true. What exist is true or false statements. There’s no Truth floating out there independent of humans making statements and then comparing them with reality. If a statement is an accurate representation of reality we call it true, else it is not true or only partially true. Just because language allows us to define abstract concepts it doesn’t mean those concepts exist independently in the real world. And still, far less of a contradiction than Turek’s god. Is an omni benevolent god that commit a worldwide genocide of people and animals a benevolent god? Is an omnipotent god that can’t speak for himself and always needs people to speak for him and write for him and explain what he wants really an omnipotent god? I mean, if he was a man it would be considered special, like in special needs.
@@pansepot1490 Turek has nothing rational to say in defense of his religious notions. He is counting heavily on his audience of religious believers' inability to think critically or fear of doing so.
I was more of a C.S. Lewis enthusiast back when I was deep in it. I was super compelled by his story of starting off as an atheist and reluctantly converting to Christianity after some philosophizing. So I really clung onto books like Mere Christianity to justify my beliefs. Ultimately, I deconstructed that too, but it was miles ahead of this dumpster fire
Even as an atheist, I still find Mere Christianity, Surprised by Joy, and The Screwtape Letters compelling. They were the books I read in my last-ditch effort to salvage my faith. Lewis is an entertaining storyteller, and parts of these books are almost as charming as the Narnia books. But ultimately I had to admit being charmed wasn't the same as being convinced.
CS Lewis didn't start out as an atheist though. He was raised in a home with religious beliefs, went to religious boarding schools, and was very much a young believer. Later he was influenced by close friends back into his earlier belief. In Mere Christianity he presented his defence of Christian theology, including his notable "Liar, lunatic, or Lord" trilemma. This is a concept that had Lewis been around to talk to modern biblical scholars he would have been exposed to clear arguments against that idea. Of course we'll never know for sure how Lewis would have responded to bible scholars such as bart erhman, but I like to think he would have considered the evidene . I like tothink hed have been a much more honest person than say Jordan Peterson ( who also happens to love literature , has fallen for conservative lies and appears to think proper belief in specific ancient literature will save society) The cross over of Christianity, culture, and morality confuses a lot of people into believing propaganda.
@hailesabab1707 either superstitious and/or Christian fear mongering got to them or life not going well and think believing in a made up god will somehow help. Also having more of a social life than otherwise. Some people are not very critical about what they believe as well.
@@hailesabab1707 As it happens in Islam and most religions. Statistically where you’re born determines your religion. And many people are also leaving their religion.
No atheist channel is complete without at least one gem from Frank! You completely hit it out of the park, exposing the exact wordplay that makes Christian apologetics a profession of lies.
I've heard a lot better apologetics arguments than this. Frank is far from proving anything in this one. I'm shaking my head, looking down in bewilderment. Here he is just liking the sound of his voice here
Whether they lied or whether they actually believed what they claimed, I always found it weird for people to claim that they had no motivation to do this. They were in a cult so their entire lives revolved around it, if Jesus remained dead that would have been the end of their cult, having him resurrect would actually be a great way for them to keep the story going; not to mention that fame and influence are great motivations and if that was their motivation, they definitely got it
Exactly. It would only take 1-2 people to either outright lie, OR simply convince themselves of a resurrection. From there, everyone else would simply believe in goof faith. Unlikely? Yes. But no more so than an actual supernatural event. Local, political conditions could also swayed things in Christianity's favors. Some things just happen in the right place at the right time.
something that always surprised me is that this actually became the state religion of the Roman empire... they had the PR-machine to get this new idea launched... maybe it all started as a way to undermine the power of the Jews in the empire, they always gave the Romans a headache, so as a motive, if you can't beat them, cheat them... take their winning formula and make it your own, in a way that makes the Jews even look silly... that's a bit of a motive. If you look into the story of Paul you'll probably understand more of this conspiracy theory...
I have never heard Frank Turek say anything to make me reconsider my decision to reject religion. In fact, he generally confirms I made the right decision.
Yeah. I bought his book a few years back, thinking it might convince me to hold on. By the time I’d read half of it, I found the arguments so wanting, so lacking, so weak and full Of subterfuge - that I gave it away to someone in the church I was in at the time.
Yay, a brand new video thanks. I've not watched it yet but 'did Frank convince you?' - heck no! Not with his bullying attitude and 'look at me I'm 100% correct' - utter BS nonsense that he spouts. I'll watch now, just had to rant about the man who I cannot stand. Thank you, Kristi.
@@alicedeen720 Like, I do understand THAT people like Frank and his stuff but I simply cannot empathise with that view of him. Is it just charisma, maybe combined with him being confident while telling the faithful that they're right and morally superior and other shit they enjoy hearing? Cos it's damned sure not him making sound arguments. At this point, I'd be surprised if he could demonstrate his understanding of a sound argument, my opinion of him is getting that low.
Brilliant as usual, Kristi. Under objective scrutiny, Christianity falls flat. That's why they value "faith" so much. Faith begins where objective truth ends.
Fantastic point faith : “ believing what you don’t see “ is essential . I remember going back to this my early years as a Christian, if you doubt, have faith 🙄. I’m grateful I’m out.
yep, frank's ideological world is a walking non-sequitur. evidently he is used to preaching to the choir, who do not tend to pose hard questions to his teflon ideology.
I too was part of the Piper Washer crowd. Oh the folly of it all. :) The illogical jumps required to maintain the faith were exhausting. Great channel and excellent video.
As I age I'm able to listen to these charlatans without losing my cool. Progress, I thought... Then I hear some Q-anut talk and suddenly I'm next level insane angry. 🤯 The bubble bursts.
@@perryrassmusen1070 same here. You expect adults would be able to look at the evidence and follow it to its conclusion. But these charlatans start from the conclusion then try to fit their narrative to match the evidence. The dishonesty gets annoying with time.
I have heard him described as the used-car salesman of Christian apologetics. I actually think he is more like a multi-level marketing salesman of Christian apologetics, while Kent Hovind is the used-car salesman.
@@scottfulton267 if Kent was a used car salesman …. “Hey, take this car, there’s no sales tax but if you don’t take it I’ll beat your wife up” That’s Kent!
He speaks nonsense but with a great deal of confidence. Persuasion is based on many factors, speech, body language, tone, switching subjects so fast you forgot what he just said or don't have time to think about it. He is good at using these techniques. But when people like Kristi break it down, it falls apart. He's like a fast talking car salesmen, doesn't give you a chance to think about his b.s.
@@MikeBrown-ex9nh so you make a post just to say you never heard of one of the most popular Christian apologists? What is the point of doing that? Just curious.
Thank you for making content that is easy to understand by everyone and for explaining all the terms you use cause some content creators be needing a dictionary and a philosophy degree to follow each point they make
Very frustrating for me dealing with VERY educated people in my family who sound JUST like this; I never had a term "Apologetic' before. We, my family members ALL have similar Liberal University education which included basic courses in Logic and Critical thinking, but when it comes to 'argument' where Christianity is concerned this past education all goes out the window. YOU pointed out here some of those most basic faults in the discussions I've had/ have with family who I love and still respect. I SAW how you told that you have a distant love/ relationship with your 'closest' family (those you were raised by and with whom you grew up. I AM sadly at this point in MY own deconstruction and family relationships. This video reminds me of my older brother with TWO bachelor's degrees! (?) Frustrating to me-- NOW. I try appreciate what you say and HOW you present it. Thank you very much for your channel. 😊
My sister is one of the smartest people I know. She also has studied philosophy in University. Her brain is sharp and quick as a sword, whatever topic we are discussing. And we like to talk about everything - philosophy, nature, linguistics, history, animal behaviour, human behaviour... But she believes in Christian God, and those couple of times I have tried to question the logics of her belief, she changes and just says "I believe because I want to and it makes me feel good snd safe". She does not use her wonderful brain and logic there. I don't want to make her mad or sad or unsafe, so I never question her faith anymore. We are both far too old to start having sibling rivalry, which we never even had when we were children. So, I think people just use "different brains" when they handle their religion. I am few years younger than she is, and started to doubt Christianity in early teens. Decades before "New atheism", whatever it is, so I guess I am an old atheist. I liked to read, so I read every book in our house, also big parts of the Bible. And it just did not make sense. I thought God was so petty and incompetenet, and not good at all. Even Jesus was not allways very nice to his followers and other people. Our Scandinavian family was not very religious, we had Christmas table Bible reading and we were taught to read a small prayer when going to bed, that's all. So the question of religion was not the most important thing in my teen age mind at all. When I was 15, I went to a traditional "Bible camp", sort of, after which there was a Confirmation in a church. That is very common in our country, even nowadays, and when I was young it was almost the rule and tradition for every family. On that camp I was quite surprised and upset. "Do these people really believe this all is TRUE?" I did not know what to do, I was so alone there. I knew nobody So I decided to just close my mind from the feelings they tried to make us feel and listened the teaching using my brain. I was a good student, learning was easy for me, so I acted like a role player long before role playing was a thing. I gave the right answers, but in my mind I was just waiting to get out of that island. Yes, we were on a small island! I decided to think everything through when I am out of that "one truth" -place. And so I did, and found out I don't believe in God - and that there are many people who really really do believe.
I used to hold Frank in such high regard (even still have a .pdf copy of I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist that I got years ago as a believer, partially for nostalgia and partially for deconstruction) While I don't find that he is devoid of any wisdom at all, its pretty rare that he will ever say anything of actual value. It was actually because of people like Frank that I was able to abandon theism in the way that I did, especially when you look at his first point. I was told by Frank and others like him that atheists will tell you "there is no truth", or "its all relative", and all kinds of these phrases. But when I actually started to listen to atheists, I never once heard anything even close to what I was told they would say. It was a huge slap in the face to me. I not only felt lied to about what other people actually say, but I felt so unequipped to respond to their raised points. It really felt like I was being trained to fight in hand to hand combat, only for my fights to all be hand to gun combat. Sure a rare few things worked when I was lucky, but I honestly felt like I was set up to fail. Huge blow to my confidence in the "leaders" of apologetics.
around the concept of believing there's a lot of complexity... there's no evidence for god, so even the pope is an agnost... but you can't prove none existence... so you can't rule out the possibility of the existence.... but that doesn't mean that you believe in the existence...
@marcdc6809 that's why my stance is lacking a belief in any God claims that have been presented to me. I can't say that there is no god, but every definition of god that has been presented to be has not been given enough evidence for me to be convinced of its existence. I can't say there is no god at all, I can just say I'm not convinced by any gods presented.
yep, obviously Frank really hasn't listened to an atheist at least since last he was on a panel with christopher hitchens while hitch was dying. Even then, Hitch took Frank to the rhetorical cleaners.
atheists will tell you "there is no truth", or "its all relative" it's true that not everyone, or even most atheists, would say those things, that's not the point. the point is that everything IS relative by logic IF there is no god. what atheists say or don't say is irrelevant. what's important is the implications. i think what frank is really saying is "atheism will tell you" instead of "atheist will tell you" and maybe he's equating those two but you would be correct to say those two have different meaning.
I always assume Frank Turek and others like him make their videos for Christians, so the arguments are compelling because they already believe. The videos are not meant to convert but to keep the flock together!
Man it was this kind of nonsense that made me NOT believe. And they've studied it and it seems that people who stay faithful do so because they've been convinced by their religion's efficacy, whereas witnessing it falling short or hypocrisy from the higher-ups makes people realize it's faults
The thing about my deconstruction process is that I used to listen to guys like this on a weekly basis and I always thought “wow, I must be too stupid to understand this. They’re probably right.” And now I think “Wow, nothing they’re saying makes any sense.”
Turek wants the big bang to be something it never claimed to be... science as we know it doesn't work during the first split second of this event... they state: we don't know what happened during or before this split second... Turek also loves the entropy-thing... the universe is like a watch-mechanism that's wound up, which is a very human-centric way of looking at energy in general... in reality when mass clumps up it makes stars that then again allow life to form around it...
@@marcdc6809 Turek, like many another believers, prefers to go on the attack than the defence. By attacking the Big Bang theory or evolution, he doesn’t realise that it still doesn’t make his claim for the existence of god any more valid. If anything, the reticence to defend his belief system, god and the bible, only serves to show what a weak proposition he has in his alternative!
My #1 reason for not believing the bible is the things said by believers. Look at Frank Turek. He has only confirmed my lack of belief with his bad arguments. Great video Kristi Burke.
I mean …Frank probably doesn’t have an entire TH-cam Channel full of content about something he doesn’t believes exist. I’m pretty sure you guys are the weird ones here , not “ Christians “ .. is this even lucrative or productive? .. I mean Because if so .. maybe I’ll go start a page about Santa Claus even though I don’t “ believe on him” or in him.. 🤷♂️ you atheist are the real comedic relief here. Any updates on when we are evolving again? It’s been awhile hasn’t it lol
@@broddr"Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe." Thomas Paine - The Age of Reason
@leonhanekom2311 It's like she said, some people aren't saying that there isn't a higher intelligence or God if you will just not the God of the bible which was given to us by the Catholic church which we all know is a cult. I think she knows I'm joking.
@@williamburton8984 Hi William. Thanks for your comment. I agree with you that the Catholic church is a cult, as are many others. Unfortunately many people are deceived and have a totally warped view of the nature and character of the true God. The God of the Bible is the true God, but sadly He is portrayed falsely by these cults. Not only by cults, but also by atheists and other non-religious peope/groups. Regards, Leon
@@uselogic1You mean the seducer, fornicator who impregnated a married woman because there were no other virgin girls in Nazareth? And henpecked carpenter husband couldn't sue for abuse of omnipotence?
The thing that helped me to understand that god is man made, was know that God before being called "God" was called Yahweh, one god among a pantheon and he was the God of war from this pantheon, so if Zeus and Odin aren't real so does Yahweh.
Wait, if something is created then the creator is able to do anything it wants inside of its creation?! Someone needs to tell the parents of sick kids that they have this amazing power! 13:40 ish
Hi Kristi, ever considered doing a collaborative video with other deconstruction channels? Through your channel I found a couple of others I really liked 😊 you were the first one though so kudos and thanks!
Awesome video as always Kristi. Good stuff. After reading through some of the comments I’ve seen on your channel, as well as other atheist channels, I think an interesting topic might be how believers seem to feel threatened by non believers. I realize not all believers feel that way, but I don’t understand why some come to these channels and want to get into arguments with people here or try to convert them back to Christianity. The same question keeps coming into my thoughts; why?
I think that generally those that come to argue on these channels are deeply insecure because deep down they know what they believe is BS and so they think that if they can convince someone that it is true then it will alleviate some of their doubt. Ironically they would be better of just watching Turek's BS instead.
@@colinsmith1288 I have spent five decades listening to the opposite arguments and the total lack of critical thinking in their argument is why I wrote that comment. It is based on observation and countless discussions with the faithful from all religions. Critical thinking is the rational, logical evaluation of available facts not listening to the baseless assertions of those that do not, or cannot, use it.
@sulas548 Just someone cannot prove something to you does not mean it does not exist. Countless people die every year because their symptoms of ill health are ignored by medical doctors who rely solely on their medical training and diagnostic implements.Dismissing ones belief does not make it wrong. Sometimes people are just worn down and think accordingly to how they feel.Science does not have all the answers. It helps but over reliance on it can literally get you killed. Religion can to.There are fanatics on both sides of the spectrum.
@@damianwhite504 the problem Frank had with Hitchins... Hitchens exposed Frank to be a liar, and then he lost the charisma-battle, Hitchens appeals to the part of every human that just knows that it's easy to be morally superior to the god of the bible...
@Peter-wl3tm Being morally superior means that you support the well-being of others in a better way than who you are being compared to. For example, if person A thinks that slavery is wrong and person B thinks that slavery is perfectly OK, then person A is morally superior to person B.
This is the second one of your videos I have watched, and it made me step back and look at how I might behave in a religious discussion. I realized that I need to be right rather than being more about the discussion, and that is a bad thing.
That is an excellent realization, and a very difficult one to have and to further work on. Human nature definitely pushes the "must be right" mentality super hard, and when we find we're wrong on something, there are two ways we can go: Either insist we were never wrong to begin with, and attack the thing that made us think we were, or change our understanding to BECOME right again. Either way you _feel_ right, but in only one case are you _actually_ correct. This realization of yours (and hopefully my own comment) will go a long way towards keeping you on the actually-right side of things as you go through life. It's a very nice place to be :D No nagging doubts in the back of your head, no discomfort at the strange inconsistencies of your various beliefs. It's a very pleasant experience all-around, though it can at times be hard to pick this long-term option in the face of instant gratification. I saw a quote yesterday that sums this up nicely: "When an honest man realizes he was wrong, he can either stop being wrong, or stop being honest."
Thank you, Kristi! I enjoy your presentations very much. I've been checking on Turek's "arguments" ever since he tried them against Hitchens. He just recycles the same ones. Speed and glibness do not equal deep thinking.
that hitchslapping moment was to me like 'the rumble in the jungle' must have been for boxing enthousiasts... when Turek tried to call Hitler and Stalin atheists and Hitchens pointed out 'Gott mit uns' and the fact that from 1941 Russian orthodox chuch became the leading religion of the USSR...
At 15:08 he says " all of the writers of the New Testament were Jewish except for Luke". That pretty much undermines anything he has to say about the subject. The writers of the New Testament were Greek . A historical Jesus would have spoken Aramaic and the people of that time and place were mostly illiterate.
You are a shining star among blury apologetic stars like Turek, you are like clean water, a katarsis making my mind uplifted, looking through the foggy landscape of multiple different perspectives. I'm always looking forward to your TH-cam-speeches, make my day 😷😎😷❤🤘👌
The more that I listen to Mr. Turek, the more it sounds like he's deliberately being convoluted, loud, & talks fast. Very good video breaking down what he said. Keep up the good work 😊
“Notice how they like to reside in the realm of ‘possibility’” - beautifully said! Apologetics are all about convincing believers that what they want to believe is ‘possible’.
Frank's "arguments" could literally be applied to any religion, but that doesn't prove that religion is true to anyone who isn't a believer of that religion
It's funny that it's so normal in his community to lack logic while speaking about faith, he can confidently present this to instruct others. Wow haha, it's a bit sad, if I were christian I would feel the need to pray for him
Maybe I am wrong, but I am convinced that religion is a big cause for lack of critical thinking skills and the consequent easy spread of conspiracy theories, quackery and all sorts of scams. Religion train people to scrap logic, tells them to trust their instincts (instead of how correctly test and fact-check), teaches them that if they believe it it’s true. Which can lead to devastating consequences when applied to real life decisions.
Thanks for your thoughtful comments on this apologetic presentation. After listening to many, many apologist I agree that they are preaching to the choir. I have not heard of any evidence (other than “I said so, so it must be true”) to convince me that Christianity is true.
I must say this, I SIMPLY LOVE the way that you approach this subject it is SO much better than some very angry, sometimes abusive, atheists out there. Your approach probably turns more people away from belief in mythology than the louder "I'm smarter than you" types. One addition I'd like to point out. Not only did they often leave people on a crucifix (cross or pole) but they had a dump southwest of Jerusalem where criminals where thrown. It was known as G'hanna where they kept constant fires burning to keep the wormlike fly maggots at bay (I'm hoping this is bringing back some scriptural verses that most xians view as hell when it was an actual place, a dump). Anyway, I always enjoy your videos, and believe you have the correct approach to "arguing with mainstream xians". Keep up the good work.
There was a lot of circular reasoning and logical fallacy - he is only convincing those who are already convinced. "Wait, you didn't answer the question!"
Like most apologists, Turek likes to misrepresent Big Bang cosmology. That or he just doesn't understand it (or want to). The Big Bang is NOT the claim that the universe came into existence from "nothing", but rather the expansion of the universe from an initial condensed point of extremely high heat and density.
Ah, just excellent, Kristi. I think your analyses of their thinking processes are right on the money. And I’ve been in this for decades, confronting Christians. I’m currently talking to a minister, and have repeatedly told him that “popularity does not determine truth” and that “Yeah, if you ASSUME it’s true in the first place and argue from that starting point.” I’ve been becoming more and more aware of how they, as a matter of course, spout generalizations, truisms, and non sequiturs that do not address the specifics of an issue. My own channel (“ConfrontingBelievers”) expresses the same objections to Christianity as you do. I’ll be watching more of your videos. Miklos Jako
I think this is the guy that basically said he was an atheist but his wife kept nagging him and he eventually started reading a Bible maybe it's more like his wife said we're not going to have any more alone time until you become a Christian. Me myself reading the Bible sent me running down the path to atheism.
You are not suggesting that Frank let his little head do the thinking? For many atheists reading their holy texts often leads to atheism, it did for me as well additionally reading Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Babylonian mythology greatly aided in the process.
Exactly. Some action is not good just because god did it. He killed all humans and animals in the big flood. Thou shalt not kill. Okay, but it's okay if god kills? NO. Reading the old testament one has to accept a huge amount of immoral stuff, done or ordered by god. Every decent person can do better than god of the old testament.
Hi Kristi! I want to congratulate you on how you handled the Frank Turek video. IMO, Frank Turek is a manipulator. Many years ago I read an outline of steps that most heroic narratives take place, from Joseph Campbell. From my memory, i list them below. 12 Steps of the Heroic Narrative 1) the Hero is born, usually in simple surroundings, usually of mysterious circumstances. The Hero may be descended from royalty or even a god. 2) The Hero grows up normally but may display an unusual talent of wisdom 3) as a young adult, the Hero feels the need of a call to action, usually from a threat to his family, tribe, or nation 4) the hero has self doubt as to his worthiness to to answer the call 5) the Hero is now ready to accept his call to action, and 6) begins a Quest, to help his people but this is also a quest of self-discovery 7) on this Quest, the Hero makes friends, (disciples), enemies and challenges that test him in a variety of ways 8) on his Quest, he may have to go into a cave or underworld and face a challenge, a temptation, or a monster of some kind 9) the Hero survives the underworld challenge and goes on to even greater battles 10) the Hero may not survive this battle, or He is betrayed by someone He trusts 11) the Hero dies, but is resurrected 12) the Hero must now depart his land, but promises to return sometime in the future in a time of great need of His people. As you can see, this narrative is followed by Luke Skywalker in Star Wars, King Arthur, Hercules, Lord of the Rings, and the story of Jesus.
What happens if your answer to "Does truth exist?" is "I dunno, maybe?" It's like how Pyrro the skeptic felt that, in order to truly have no opinion on any question of truth, he had to just grunt and shrug, because answering yes or no was playing the game that he thought couldn't be played.
Escaping brainwashing is like winning the lottery. Congrats to all the winners! Kristi you’re getting better and better, and you’re giving a lot of people hope they too can win ❤
@kelseykjarsgaard5774 lol, a lot of projection and misunderstanding going on in your statement. We don't need a static belief system. We rely on our rationality, curiosity and our humanity to guide us. Our life is much more exciting and meanigful, because we are responsible for giving it meaning and purpose. We don't need some ridiculous, immoral edicts from the bronze age. Life for us is precious and beautiful. We carve our own immortality with our actions and our generosity.
@kelseykjarsgaard5774 if you think about it, though, even most belief systems are "You're just here til you die", there just happens to be another place to go to once that happens. Life can be full of meaning regardless of whether or not there's something "after", why would only people that assume there's a heaven later want to live fulfilling lives?
Just for fun, whenever I stay in a hotel room, I find the Gideon Bible, I go to Genesis 1, and I cross out “In the beginning” and write “Once upon a time.”
"In the beginning" of Genesis one, is the spring equinox where the seven gods proclaim "let there be light." The sacred year begins at the spring equinox and ends at the spring equinox.
What you should write in the page before the start is; "The events and characters in this book are entirely fictitious and any reference to anyone living or dead is just a coincidence." Douglas Adams
@@ianbuick8946 Rev 9.5, the scorpion (Scorpio constellation) is the leader of the five months that can harm man. This is the Zodiac and the five "months" are Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces. Scorpio is associated with flies and locusts. Remember where Jesus is called Beelzebub aka Lord of the Flies?
I call that first bit The Turek Truth Loop. I'm sure he thinks he's just a big brain for that. But it sounds like my grandson telling the knock-knock jokes he just learned from a book.
Whenever I hear one of these excusagists I think of M C Escher's drawing "Ascending & Descending", and each of them is descending to try to get lower than the others with their terrible arguments.
You are brilliant, fair and reasonable. There is a guy named Paul Willis from "the fifth Kind" who would turn Frank Turek and the Christian Church on its head if they'd hear him. He tells exactly how the book is not true at all. Thank you so much for continuing to rescue lost souls from the harm of the Christian indoctrination and its theology. Stay strong.
@kristiburke I can’t wait for the day we have to take a break 3 minutes into the video to thank the sponsors. Your content is SO GOOD! BTW I was in the Piper/Washer camp too. It’s a special kind of toxic. (We would have scoffed at lightweights Frank Turek). 😆 Keep the commentary coming you are so, so good at it. 👊
@@edm-london1660 Yes, but the atheist's intellectual snobbery can perhaps be compared to the believer's claim to be in communication with the creator of the Universe. That's a hell of a claim, for sure. Megalomaniacal, one could say.
@@edm-london1660 In the course of my life, I've found that the more emotionally unstable a person is, the more likely they are to believe in religion or conspiracy theories. For some odd reason, mental illness of the emotional type doesn't seem to greatly affect belief (unless the person is delusional). Many simply don't think about it or don't care because their belief is largely based upon emotion. As long as their religion satisfies an emotional need, they don't care about logic or reason. This is also why religion has been called "the opiate of the masses."
@@edm-london1660 You mean I am speaking truth. Christians believe out of fear, blind faith, emotion, feelings, hallucination, or simply being born into the culture. Preying on the vulnerable.
Everyone says our religion is true a muslim why our religion is true all religions say we are the only right religions love you're content kristi awesome video
Hey! I am a Christian and watch your videos. I value your thoughts and insights - it helps me to have an understanding of what agnostics and believe. Thank you again.
@@sbnwnc If this world is all there is and this life is all we have, and all the amalakites had then this would make no sense. (I'm sure you feel as strongly about other babies being killed too). However, I believe (I can't prove it, it's a matter of trust and faith) that this world is not all there is. That there is more and that God will put everything right. When a referee sends someone off in a soccer game I don't think their evil. Because I know there's more than just the soccer match. That how I deal with these passages. I'm genuinely sorry that God appears heartless and tyrannical to you. I believe that Jesus is the full revelation of God, to him act, love and speak is to see God love, act and speak. To me he is everthing and I owe him everything.
@@andycaldwell7981 I don't think that makes any sense. You are justifying an evil act, an act of genocide and infanticide. What is the basis for that justification? That God will sort it out in the end? If that's the case you could say "Kill them all, God will sort it out." In fact, that is exactly what you have said. Is that morality? Is that the sort of moral lesson you would expect from an all-knowing, all-powerful, and perfectly wise God?
@@sbnwnc yep that's exactly what I'm saying. I would disagree with the language you've used, nothing God does is evil. Personally, I am in no position to judge God and genuinely unsure why you are attacking me when I came on to thank Kristi. I understand some people hate God Christopher Hitchens, Steven Fry "either the God of the Bible doesn't exist or he's not worth your worship". But attacking others because they believe in and worship God is unkind. If you don't believe in God, fine if you want to debate about the nature of God find a theologian. As for me I want to be kind, do good, seek to help, build up and not tear down or we may become the very thing that many dispise about some Christians who are unloving desperate to be right and prove others wrong. I genuinely don't mean this to be hurtful or unkind to you but I'm not looking for a fight or a discussion- I just wanted to thank Kristi. Hope you have a great and wonderful day! ☀️
@@andycaldwell7981 I am not attacking you. I am asking you questions to try to ascertain your beliefs. Your belief in God has lead you to the conclusion that it is sometimes morally right to indiscriminately kill babies. If I told you that my belief in Vishnu or the Koran lead me to the same conclusion, wouldn't you wonder a bit about the validity of Hinduism or Islam?
I agree with you 100%. I’d like to also add a possible reason why they made up the resurrection. I imagine you have people that were told they had to give everything up to follow Jesus. To be a part of this cult they had to give it all up. And in the end they watched someone they believe was immortal get arrested, tortured and executed. How do these people go back to their families? How do they go back and admit they were wrong.? This might be one of the reasons why so many of these eyewitness accounts contradict each other.
I don't think I could make it through something called "legislating morality." But this little talk cinched it: can you say "HUGE" leap? So many ifs to leap from, I can't see how I was ever suckered into this, yet alone for so long.
I was a fan already, but this episode was a stand out! Well done Kristi, you're a champion. Another reason why critical thinking should be taught in high schools. Keep up the great work!
Yes, there are many people who claim there is no truth, and the idea lays at the foundation of the curriculum presented at most modern educational institutions.
@@jezebelvibes “From Scientific American: Students are being taught by these postmodern professors that there is no truth, that science and empirical facts are tools of oppression by the white patriarchy, and that nearly everyone in America is racist and bigoted, including their own professors, most of whom are liberals or progressives devoted to fighting these social ills.
@@SavedSkeptic You are a deeply unserious person who let their little ego blow up a little too high, listen to me and listen well, you are not as smart as you think you are, in fact you are not smart at all. The quicker you learn this lesson the quicker you can start on fixing it
Given he possibility that a God/Creator exists, it does not mean that He would endorse a Christian Bible (full of contradictions) to tell of his existence.
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS, CHRISTIANS, and ALL RELIGIONS VS. The BIBLE, GOD, and JESUS CHRIST Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, and all Religions, after studying the BIBLE on their own, 1. rejected God's Sovereignty as worthless and useless in defiance of what were written in the Mark 12: 29, 30 and John 17: 3 and fill the world instead with their claims that God doesn't exist and the Bible is just a worthless and useless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales 2. rejected the authority and teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless and useless in defiance of what were written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26 and fill the world instead with their Unbiblical teachings about "Armageddon", "heaven and hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation". The REAL WORTH, VALUE, and IMPORTANCE of the BIBLE, GOD's SOVEREIGNTY, and JESUS CHRIST's AUTHORITY and TEACHINGS to HUMAN BEINGS Jesus Christ KNOWS that the loving, kind, and merciful God's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth without liars, immoral, traitors, perverts, and murderers as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 and 21: 8 is definitely NOT for Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, and all Religions who are filling the world with their - 1. claims that God doesn't exist and the Bible is just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales 2. Unbiblical teachings and doctrines about "Armageddon", "heaven and hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation" but ONLY for all lowly, ordinary, kind, and submissive persons on earth who submit to his authority and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26. God KNOWS that all human beings have no immortal souls and will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 and 9: 5, 6, and Atheists, Agnostics, Christians and all Religions in the world who rejected his Sovereignty and his Christ's authority and teachings as worthless and useless will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their natural deaths but all his loving, kind, and respectful worshippers and followers of his Christ who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Mary, Martha, Lazarus, and many others will not remain as worthless dusts forever, instead, in the right and proper time, he will let Jesus Christ, as a loving, kind, and merciful Heavenly Master and King, resurrect them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
"you need more faith to believe that a man didn't rose from the dead than to believe that he did"
this logic is so great, you can't even follow it.
the mere implication that "logic" is somehow involved in "concluding" that someone rose from the dead, just
implies a fundamental lack of grasp of what a LOGICAL DEDUCTIVE ARGUMENT looks like.
IMHO the biggest problem with such "logic" is "starting with unfounded premises" which appears to have been
at least exemplified by a "logical deduction" offered by saint thomas aquinas.
And that same sermonette of his, appeared to praise or idolize Aristotle. Ari of course was famous for
"applying philosophy" to "solve" some question or other.
But Ari was NOT known to actually examine PHYSICAL EVIDENCE to either support or refute some tacit presumption he had
made about the nature of the question in the first place.
Apparently Aristotle wanted to think about things but not get his hands dirty.
Really as a side-question, I wonder if Plato regarded Aristotle as one of his arguably failed students.
In the larger arc of history, we can note that Aristotle is not especially noted as a major contributor to the rise of science.
His implied logic DOES HOWEVER appear popular among "church" theologians.
And in Frank Turek's arguments I see the rather prominent ghosts of it.
@@brookskenna Do you believe in objective evil?
It's true though. With all of the historical evidence, all of the secular writers, and how accurate the Bible is you need to ignore many facts about it
@@lovespeaks777
WRT "...Do you believe in objective evil?..."
we would first have to vaguely agree on what such a phrase means.
second, personally I have little or no use at all for a phrase like "believe in" since apologetics tends to use it as an excuse to posit some implied premise without having to justify it.
Instead, emotional attachment (especially the kind that buddhism warns about) is implied to be a justification that others should somehow find compelling.
Not this viewer.
You have to cite reasons for claiming a premise to be true or your deductive argument is a house built upon beach sand.
And even then, I reserve the right to critically evaluate whatever premise my opponent might be claiming I should hold.
@@tracyavent-costanza346Basically, people can have moral behaviors that are considered objectively wrong. Not just wrong because it’s our opinion.
oh man, I just cannot even with Frank! Well done, Kristi!
Frank wouldn't know truth if it jumped up and bit him in the ass!
You’re on all the same videos as me this week 😂 love your channel as well.
Went to an event of Frank’s at my church when I was a teen. I had a really hard time, because it actually made my uncertainty and anxiety about my faith feel worse. The more Frank Turek stuff I watch now, the more I understand why attending that event was so unconvincing and disturbing to me as a teen
One reason he gave as to "what about people who never heard" was pretty bad and I remember it still. He said that god's spirit didn't send them there because none of them would have believed anyways. That is a bold answer. So god's evidence was that weak that none would accept it? It is just bad apologetics.
@@polystrate1yeah that argument has always been deeply flawed. Human "belief" has never been hard to achieve with sufficient evidence. The most hardcore atheist wouldn't deny the sun's existence, because it's inescapably real.
@@jonjeskie5234What's worse is that God is evidently perfectly capable of providing evidence that is just as irrefutable, he just chooses not to. God appears and speaks directly to dozens of people in the Bible, produces obvious and spectacular miracles that defy all explanation, and is a palpable and tangible force the Israelites can't deny.
So weird that he stopped doing that kind of stuff at the precise moment that a bunch of iron age savages trying to justify their claim to Judea to the Persian emperor finished writing their book...
@@polystrate1 The gospel of Luke says that every person will see the salvation of God: Luke 3:6 “And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.”
Also see Romans 1:20-21 “His invisible attributes-His eternal power and His divine nature-have been clearly seen ever since the creation of the world, being understood through the things that have been made. So people are without excuse-for even though they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God or give Him thanks. Instead, their thinking became futile, and their senseless hearts were made dark.”
@@brisadelcastillo2840 we don't care about subjective theological opinion of ancient writers other than for historical intrigue
I once had a conversation with a DEEPLY religious woman I used to work with. I told her that, one of the MANY reasons why the Millennials, Gen Z and Alpha are walking away from Christianity is that, at least in the US, there are now roughly 45,000 different denominations of it you can belong to that are all in direct competition with each other. My former coworker then said: “It’s not 45,000 different schools of thought, it’s 45,000 different expressions of the SAME idea”. So I then asked her: “So, what would a Catholic, a Mormon and a Jehovah’s Witness sit down and actually agree on”? She then responded with: “Well, I don’t think any of those are REALLY Christians”. I bust out laughing. I told her that, if you were to put those 3 groups combined, they totaled to about 1.27 BILLION people. 1/8th of the human race. Don’t let Turek fool you. They (the Christians) couldn’t disagree with each other harder if they tried. They argue about EVERYTHING. Once he can nail down which of the 45,000 different schools of thought I’m supposed to believe, then and ONLY then, he can attempt to sell that to anyone…..
And that is only one leaf out of thousands of branches of sky genies.. 😂
matthew 7:14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
@@plussizebarbie9484 Classic. Using the Bible to prove the Bible. Maybe I should grab the Quran and start quoting that as “proof” that IT is the one narrow path to salvation. What are you willing to bet that, if I went and looked for “proof” or validation that Harry Potter is the greatest hero ever in the book: The Sorcerer’s Stone, that I’m probably going to find it?
@@plussizebarbie9484 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Using scripture here is like trying to use a chocolate frying pan to cook with.
@@vadouis-rt3of OR, and stay with me on this one, MAYBE, someone in the room when the Bible was being copied and pasted together and the Council of Nicaea, already knew that MANY people would take one look at the claims of the book and call BS on it. So, they needed to put in automatic defenses to make sure that people didn’t question the logical fallacies or inaccuracies or contradictions within and always default to “faith” or future apologetics. So, lines such as that are created to make sure that, when problems with the Bible come up, there’s yet another automatic defense mechanism to be called on to convince the person who buys into it to NOT think, NOT question and to not call BS. All 3 Monotheistic religions have these mechanisms in place to make sure you don’t question but that does NOT in fact, prove it’s “authenticity”. Cults all around the world to this day use the same type of mechanisms to make sure that you NEVER question dear leader, even if their teachings of prophecies don’t happen or don’t line up with reality to keep you constantly chasing the carrot on the string. There are countless mechanisms like this in Christianity.
1: The BS line you threw at me.
2: You were NEVER really a TRUE Christian because once you’re a REAL Christian, you turn away from your faith.
3. Demons are getting into your mind and trying to sabotage your faith.
4. It’s the Devil trying to lead you astray.
5. You’re just going to the wrong church or reading the wrong interpretation of the Bible.
6. You didn’t pray hard enough or believe hard enough.
7. But but but, look at the world and the wars and violence, that PROVES it’s true.
8. If you ever leave the faith after knowing about it or being apart of it, you’re now going to be labeled an “apostate” or some other garbage just like it, basically saying you’re now less than the gum on the bottom of my shoe and
9. Because of #8, the believers in the group are now to SHUN you forever UNITL you come back into the fold…
There are endless more just like this that I have no doubt you have used yourself….
For one example of the problem with this line of thinking: The science in the Bible is taken from the Jews from the Babylonian during the Babylonian Captivity of 600 BC. Best science on the planet at the time, but we’ve learned a thing or two about a thing or two since then and the overwhelming majority of the science and claims about the universe have been proven to be inaccurate. The earth is NOT 10,000 years old, it’s 4.5 billion. There is ZERO evidence of a world wide flood. Etc.
I’ll give you another example: In Matthew 27:52-53, it says the bodies of the dead saints rose from the graves and were walking around the “holy city”. And yet, we cannot, to this day, find a single other historian that backs that claim up. Not one. I guess the Zombie Apocalypse and people resurrecting from the dead was something of a banality at the time because no one outside of the Bible, felt compelled to comment on that. Not…..one.
Right then and there, you’re now at an impasse. If you truly believe that God gave ALL of knowledge and wisdom to the writers of the Bible and it is without error and to question one or all of the now debunked claims about science or lack of corroborating evidence found in the Bible is to turn into a “reprobate mind” as you’re calling me, then you can just close your eyes, cover your ears and pretend that this can be somehow explained away with an ocean of apologetics. For me, when the claims of the Bible does not comply with our reality, we have the tough obligation to abandon such things and to accept the reality as it is given to us and what it has to teach us.
Sorry bud, but you don’t get to use the Bible to prove the Bible. That’s NOT how proof works, just like the Jews don’t get to use the Torah to prove the Torah, or the Muslims using the Quran to prove the Quran. Just some food for thought….
“What is the difference between a cult and a religion”?
In a cult, there is someone up top who KNOWS that everything in the cult is BS. In a religion…..that person died a long time ago”…….
I swear i try to be fully openminded when i listen to these apologists but... who didnt roll eyes back as soon as he says the first question: "Does truth exist?" 😐
So true.
That first "reason" about truth existing felt so childish. Like a gotcha that a six-year-old would do.
It reminded me of Rudy Giuliani's asshat quote, "Truth isn't truth."
@@walterude6323 It's the kind of thing you might find in a "My First Word Game" instruction set on how to be a dishonest little ass.
Pretty sure it's just there to get the ball rolling. Get the audience agreeing with him off the bat. It isn't meant to address an actual objection.
If I were god, I wouldn't need people on TH-cam to argue for my existence all the time.
What a great comment, so true!
i have to pretty much agree...if the truth were so self-evident it would not need people trying to sell it like a used car.
@@vadouis-rt3of ***comments***WRT
People are always reluctant to change.
***for good or ill ***
What do you think happened when Jesus told the people to repent?
***I am far from convinced that he actually said anything like that. Judaism of the period was not elaborately eschatological and orthodox still is not today***
When Jesus rebuked the religious leaders of the day, did they embrace Him? They wanted to kill Him.
***I am reasonably confident that they eventually did kill him. He was mortal and is still dead.
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People questioned His authority. Who does He think He is, telling us to repent? Who made Him a judge over us?
***claiming some authority to tell others what to do, was hardly a new concept
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Is that not the reaction of people to the message of Jesus Christ?
***nobody called him by that label during his lifetime. it was AT BEST invented by saul of tarsus, who never met him directly.
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"You should not judge." The people throw water, spit give us the finger and are generally hostile, even though the truth is being told them.
***maybe try coming across as less condescending and arrogant
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It seems to me that people have not changed even after many centuries have passed.
***why would they change THEN when they do not change NOW
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That is why Christians have to contend for the faith.
***whose problem is that really.
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This is true. God doesn't need anyone for anything. The opposition to God desperately needs something to argue with though. The love of sin will look anywhere for justification and validation. I suppose the opposition has a better chance to think outside of the love of sin if debating another human rather than a rock. Notice how people come to and ask the apologist? The apologist is merely trying to help understanding by answering a question to his/her best ability. Take it or leave it, but the apologist isn't seeking validation from man nor is he thinking that he somehow validates God's existence. Ultimately, he is all too aware that he isn't needed in the slightest for God's will. He is the one that needs God. The will and creation still stands without him.
@@tracyavent-costanza346 I don't know. I can't recall anyone trying to sell me anything when I wasn't a Christian. Salvation is free. Take it or leave it. The people seeking out answers through an apologist in this context are just that; people seeking truth. The apologist has just made himself available for those people to share his perspective that they sought out. I find that more of a burden than a sell. I don't leave my house seeking the door to door salesman to find out what goods he's got for me. Sure, there are street preachers, but again, they aren't selling anything. Hopefully, they are merely preaching the Gospel and with nothing to gain.
Frank Turek convinced me. He convinced me he's not very good at making arguments.
I don’t think Turek’s video is for atheists. His logic is to poor to convince atheists. His video is to help theists justify their beliefs to themselves.
@@edm-london1660 I'm not sure how true your claims are. But let's say they are correct. What's the point?
well why don't you read the gospels instead....
Frank Turek's video reminds me of Ray Comfort's video explaining how the banana is proof that God is real and cares about us.
@@edm-london1660Seems like God needs a lot of advocates.
Frank has always struck me as the high school football coach of apologetics, trying to explain astrophysics
and william lane craig is right there with frank.
Kristi don't stop making videos. We need you!!
Yes, bow before her and pay her homage by letting her make merchandise of you. Little deities expect nothing less.
@@ChristianApologeticsProjectNot sure what you mean?
@@patrickwoods2213 Ask her, then. After all, she's the deity wanting you to pay her fare.
@@ChristianApologeticsProject Your comment is really unhinged. Atheist and deconstruction channels exist. Just as Christian channels, Hindu channels and New Age channels exist. People make TH-cam, TikTok, and other SM content about what they believe or not believe. There really is no valid reason for this obsession you seem to have with Kristi in particular. Unless of course you are particularly obsessed with HER in particular for reasons known only to you.
But for all observing how you are conducting yourself, it comes across as creepy and mentally ill for a person to just be stalking all of her channels, attacking those who enjoy her content, and posting defamation. That is not sane behavior.
Was expecting something solid from Frank but he fumbled the ball right from point 1… Christianity just doesn’t promote critical thinking. Good job with this Kristi!
Obviously you haven't tested what you believe against the best arguments at all if you think Christians don't think critically.
@@banjo4053And what exactly would these arguments be?
@@banjo4053 Basically you believe in a magic sky wizard that created everything, knows the thoughts of every person on the planet and sees what every one of them are doing all at the same time (Critical thinking? I think not!). There is no proof of any god and there are no "best arguments" that have not already been ripped to shreds by the likes of Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and many, many others. Christians (and other religions for that matter) never have anything new to say that hasn't already been debunked. How could they? They study from poorly written books containing many contradictions that were created by iron age man prior to science.
@@4ndytrout46 that's why you are listening to someonelike Kristy, because you have to be spoon fed. At least search up debates where views and idea's are being directly challenged.
@@banjo4053 I don't know why I expected anything other than condescension from a Christian. It's cute that you think I haven't looked up discussions and debates. I was hoping you could maybe point me to something I haven't seen but I guess not.
"Let's assume that god exists. That proves that god exists!"
Basically 😄
@@jezebelvibes The argument is that God is the ultimacy of reality. Meaning without God you have no ultimate grounding or foundation for anything including things like evidence, morality, science, knowledge. Etc. This denial of God leads to absurdity
Do you like my argument?
@@sgloobal2025that’s the most rarified version of deism. Even if accurate it doesn’t lead to any human religion.
@@broddr nope it's actually an argument for a personal God. Without a personal omniscient God you can't know anything at all. You could never account for anything because you have no ultimate grounding or foundation
It's bizarre how incredibly shallow these arguments are. Thank you for a great video!
“Truth exists…
Therefore, Yahweh: the storm/war deity of the Canaanite pantheon is God.
I rest my case.”
- Frank Turek.
I'm actually surprised by his first "point." I've seen apologists say things like "Without God there can be no objective truth." and I assumed that's where he was going. But instead he just... claimed that truth exists and moved on. And it had nothing to do with the rest of his argument. Like the whole first "point" was just filler.
I guess he's just trying to say that if truth doesn't exist, then Christianity can't be true. But truth does exist. So that can't be an argument used against Christianity. But it definitely does nothing for proving Christianity is true.
@christophergibson7155 The problem is we don't believe anything your anonymously written book of ancient myths has to say, lol. You might as well be quoting from a Steven King novel and expect us to accept it as truth.
It probably was just filler as it's a well known strategy. You start with something that grabs attention but that will have pretty much everyone agreeing with you. That makes them more open to the rest of your arguments. The strategy is then to slowly ease into less credible territory, making it seem like it's not such a huge step from the previous point.
@@christophergibson7155 Using Bible quotes as your argument is not the way to convince a non-Christian!
@@christophergibson7155 nope, you got a book that says a wizard said that, about a magical invisible sky wizard, so don't care if a wack job religious nut said a thing, especially when that thing is stupid, childish, magical, nonsense.
If you can't provide solid evidence and insurmountable proof, baffle 'em with bullshit.
I would say explaining the vast amount of information stored in every cell of your body via random processes is insurmountable.
@banjo4053 Every single time Christians claim "science doesn't have an answer, therefore God!" you have been later proved wrong on this non sequitur. You are employing the old "God of the gaps" argument. DNA will prove no different. Science will eventually prove abiogenisus true. It may take another 100 or 200 years, but it is inevitable. Magic performed by a God or Goddess is a terrible and unreliable path to truth.
“If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.” Charles Darwin
If Charles Darwin was alive today we would say his own theory of evolution is not possible… which points directly to a Creator.
@@jasonhalter2001 the operative word in Darwin’s quote being “IF.”
@@banjo4053Look at you, with your appeal to incredulity logical fallacy. Your beliefs are not evidence for or against the proposition.
You explain these concepts so well. Thank you! As I've been deconstructing I've been overwhelmed with all the new terms and philosophical concepts that hadn't crossed my path before. There's kind of a language to deconstruction that you break down and it helps so much. Grateful for you!
I just can't take Frank seriously. I can't. There's Low-Bar Bill who happily declared he didn't care "if there was only one chance in a MILLION that Christianity was true", that was good enough for him.
Then there's Frank. Not only is he a YEC, with all the reality denial that entails, he told his audience of Christians that it was a GOOD THING they don't have originals of the Bible.
That the "best" way to preserve the originals is not to preserve the originals at all.
What a bloody turkey!
Honestly, frank is low hanging fruit. And I fully recognize that. But he's made a very successful career out of convincing a lot of people he's got a firm grasp on logic and reality. and he's probably the most recommended apologist in my comments.
@@jezebelvibes Sorry if I gave the wrong impression. NONE of the professionals actually strike me as NOT being low-hanging fruit. Craig is better at dressing up his nonsense but it's still obvious to me that this is all it is and all he's doing.
I think Frank is just.. more popular. He talks at a lower educational level that more people are comfortable at. But he's not really much worse than Craig in my view.
I find pretty much all of them to be smug sophists. I suspect most of them know they're deceiving their audience and don't care that they're hurting people. "They're just words. Words don't hurt." kind of thing.
And Frank I think knows he's talking shit.
You are lying about what Bill Craig argued. Triple warrant is not a low bar. Try to stop lying about his game theory response to a question pertaining to game theory is Dr Craig's only response. Liars suck.
@@archapmangcmg Try defeating what Dr Craig argues rather than lying and slandering. Of course, you can't. So you lied.
@@JimCastleberry Poor kid, calm down. Take a break and then come back and fix your reply to something coherent.
From what I can tell, you're upset that I don't respect an unreasonable position held by a sophist.
Craig is dishonest, he didn't reason his way to Christianity, he took a promise of a bribe and went all-in on it.
I've WATCHED the segment where Craig said this on why he accepted Christianity. I'm USING HIS WORDS.
Quit lying for a liar.
Frank: "Is that statement that truth doesn't exist...true?"
Wow Frank, you made me a Christian again. Good job.
... i'd remind you of Poe's Law, but somehow i think you've managed to convey the tone well enough anyway. ^^
Yes, it’s true. What exist is true or false statements. There’s no Truth floating out there independent of humans making statements and then comparing them with reality. If a statement is an accurate representation of reality we call it true, else it is not true or only partially true. Just because language allows us to define abstract concepts it doesn’t mean those concepts exist independently in the real world.
And still, far less of a contradiction than Turek’s god. Is an omni benevolent god that commit a worldwide genocide of people and animals a benevolent god?
Is an omnipotent god that can’t speak for himself and always needs people to speak for him and write for him and explain what he wants really an omnipotent god? I mean, if he was a man it would be considered special, like in special needs.
@@pansepot1490 Turek has nothing rational to say in defense of his religious notions. He is counting heavily on his audience of religious believers' inability to think critically or fear of doing so.
You know I was thinking the same thing.@rboland2173
"Wow Frank, you made me a Christian"
If I gave him the wool, could he make me one, too?
I was more of a C.S. Lewis enthusiast back when I was deep in it. I was super compelled by his story of starting off as an atheist and reluctantly converting to Christianity after some philosophizing. So I really clung onto books like Mere Christianity to justify my beliefs. Ultimately, I deconstructed that too, but it was miles ahead of this dumpster fire
I thought you were talking about the guy who wrote Alice in wonderland. I had to look it up. I was thinking lewis Carrol
@@undrwatropium3724nope, Narnia 😆
Even as an atheist, I still find Mere Christianity, Surprised by Joy, and The Screwtape Letters compelling. They were the books I read in my last-ditch effort to salvage my faith. Lewis is an entertaining storyteller, and parts of these books are almost as charming as the Narnia books. But ultimately I had to admit being charmed wasn't the same as being convinced.
@@joshualavender well said!
CS Lewis didn't start out as an atheist though. He was raised in a home with religious beliefs, went to religious boarding schools, and was very much a young believer.
Later he was influenced by close friends back into his earlier belief.
In Mere Christianity he presented
his defence of Christian theology, including his notable "Liar, lunatic, or Lord" trilemma.
This is a concept that had Lewis been around to talk to modern biblical scholars he would have been exposed to clear arguments against that idea. Of course we'll never know for sure how Lewis would have responded to bible scholars such as bart erhman, but I like to think he would have considered the evidene .
I like tothink hed have been a much more honest person than say Jordan Peterson ( who also happens to love literature , has fallen for conservative lies and appears to think proper belief in specific ancient literature will save society)
The cross over of Christianity, culture, and morality confuses a lot of people into believing propaganda.
The reason we believed in christianity was because our parents told us to believe it.
Well, not everyone believes it just because of that reason but I see what you are trying to get at. Indoctrination
Dude, what about people who got converted as adults
@@hailesabab1707 those people are just desperate and can't cope with reality
@hailesabab1707 either superstitious and/or Christian fear mongering got to them
or life not going well and think believing in a made up god will somehow help. Also having more of a social life than otherwise. Some people are not very critical about what they believe as well.
@@hailesabab1707 As it happens in Islam and most religions. Statistically where you’re born determines your religion. And many people are also leaving their religion.
No atheist channel is complete without at least one gem from Frank!
You completely hit it out of the park, exposing the exact wordplay that makes Christian apologetics a profession of lies.
Frank is one of my top prick Apologists
Frank is a walking non sequitur.
I've heard a lot better apologetics arguments than this. Frank is far from proving anything in this one. I'm shaking my head, looking down in bewilderment.
Here he is just liking the sound of his voice here
Frank's argument is the theological walking dead.
@@mattr.1887 Frank Turkenstein🤖
Whether they lied or whether they actually believed what they claimed, I always found it weird for people to claim that they had no motivation to do this. They were in a cult so their entire lives revolved around it, if Jesus remained dead that would have been the end of their cult, having him resurrect would actually be a great way for them to keep the story going; not to mention that fame and influence are great motivations and if that was their motivation, they definitely got it
Just coz a book says summat dont mean the thing happened. It could equally have said 50 or 50,000 witnesses, would anyone know any better?
Exactly. It would only take 1-2 people to either outright lie, OR simply convince themselves of a resurrection. From there, everyone else would simply believe in goof faith.
Unlikely? Yes. But no more so than an actual supernatural event. Local, political conditions could also swayed things in Christianity's favors. Some things just happen in the right place at the right time.
Sorry - "good", not "goof". Well I guess goof could work here too.
Yes, the resurrection is like part 2 to continue the story and that he's coming back. So stay tuned.
something that always surprised me is that this actually became the state religion of the Roman empire... they had the PR-machine to get this new idea launched... maybe it all started as a way to undermine the power of the Jews in the empire, they always gave the Romans a headache, so as a motive, if you can't beat them, cheat them... take their winning formula and make it your own, in a way that makes the Jews even look silly... that's a bit of a motive. If you look into the story of Paul you'll probably understand more of this conspiracy theory...
I have never heard Frank Turek say anything to make me reconsider my decision to reject religion. In fact, he generally confirms I made the right decision.
Exactly!
Yeah. I bought his book a few years back, thinking it might convince me to hold on. By the time I’d read half of it, I found the arguments so wanting, so lacking, so weak and full Of subterfuge - that I gave it away to someone in the church I was in at the time.
Very well thought out and articulated. Great job!
Yay, a brand new video thanks.
I've not watched it yet but 'did Frank convince you?' - heck no!
Not with his bullying attitude and 'look at me I'm 100% correct' - utter BS nonsense that he spouts.
I'll watch now, just had to rant about the man who I cannot stand.
Thank you, Kristi.
Lol I don't think you're alone in your feelings.
Smug and Stupid is a hell of a brand but Frank's made it his own.
@@archapmangcmg Absolutely :)
Oh neat, you are only convinced if they tickle your ears and make you feel good?
Ridiculous.
@@alicedeen720 Like, I do understand THAT people like Frank and his stuff but I simply cannot empathise with that view of him. Is it just charisma, maybe combined with him being confident while telling the faithful that they're right and morally superior and other shit they enjoy hearing?
Cos it's damned sure not him making sound arguments. At this point, I'd be surprised if he could demonstrate his understanding of a sound argument, my opinion of him is getting that low.
Brilliant as usual, Kristi. Under objective scrutiny, Christianity falls flat. That's why they value "faith" so much. Faith begins where objective truth ends.
Without weekly brainwashing sessions (church) to hype people up into blind faith, Christianity would of died out before it got started.
I so agree. Kristi is doing such good work.
Fantastic point faith : “ believing what you don’t see “ is essential . I remember going back to this my early years as a Christian, if you doubt, have faith 🙄. I’m grateful I’m out.
The Holey Script-Yourz Doctrines fall apart All By Themselves when a person reads The Bable Honestly
@het53 I Am no Disciple . Please, Don't be Foolzl
Elvis must be the second coming of Christ. Lots of people have seen him walking around since his death.
That's more realistic, The King (Elvis) is still walking the earth.
@@DreamMonster7X Probably not. He worked in a chip shop for a few years in the 80s, but no one's heard from him since then
@@pineapplepenumbra
Elvis moved on?
@@DreamMonster7X I reckon the smell of chip fat just drove him to it.
Thats because thousands of people dress up like Elvis
Essentially what he’s saying is “Lower your evidential standards to the level I have, and you will believe too”.
UK here - there's something low-to-middlebrow about Americhristianity and its intellectual/cultural life that doesn't entice.
religion lore
@@notreallydavid We Brits can, in that respect at least, consider ourselves lucky.
@@infidelcastro5129 We can, and I do.
THERE ARE no atheists in HELL
The fact you felt it was necessary to define a non sequitur as a prerequisite for Frank Turek is just priceless.
yep, frank's ideological world is a walking non-sequitur. evidently he is used to preaching to the choir, who do not
tend to pose hard questions to his teflon ideology.
I too was part of the Piper Washer crowd. Oh the folly of it all. :) The illogical jumps required to maintain the faith were exhausting. Great channel and excellent video.
welcome back.
Thanks!
Thanks so much!
On the resurrection: "Is it more probable that nature should go out of her course, or that a man should tell a lie?" -- Thomas Paine, Age of Reason.
The first major lie, in the bible, is found in the first verse of Genesis.
I've never heard that before.
Love this ⬆️
Can't watch because I get angry when I hear him talk, but I'm sure your response is great!
As I age I'm able to listen to these charlatans without losing my cool. Progress, I thought... Then I hear some Q-anut talk and suddenly I'm next level insane angry. 🤯 The bubble bursts.
"Hi, I'm Frank Turek and I'm a smug shit for Jesus!"
@@perryrassmusen1070 same here. You expect adults would be able to look at the evidence and follow it to its conclusion. But these charlatans start from the conclusion then try to fit their narrative to match the evidence. The dishonesty gets annoying with time.
I didn't invent the term, but every time I see Frank I think "used-god salesman."
I have heard him described as the used-car salesman of Christian apologetics. I actually think he is more like a multi-level marketing salesman of Christian apologetics, while Kent Hovind is the used-car salesman.
Lol😂
😂😂😂
@@scottfulton267 if Kent was a used car salesman ….
“Hey, take this car, there’s no sales tax but if you don’t take it I’ll beat your wife up”
That’s Kent!
I'll never understand how frank turek draws such large crowds, he just says nonsense, refuses to justify it, and asserts he's right
It's because Christians are hungry for affirmation, and he serves a wonderful wordsalad
That sums up all religions
He speaks nonsense but with a great deal of confidence. Persuasion is based on many factors, speech, body language, tone, switching subjects so fast you forgot what he just said or don't have time to think about it. He is good at using these techniques. But when people like Kristi break it down, it falls apart. He's like a fast talking car salesmen, doesn't give you a chance to think about his b.s.
Actually, I had never heard of him before.
@@MikeBrown-ex9nh so you make a post just to say you never heard of one of the most popular Christian apologists? What is the point of doing that? Just curious.
Thank you for making content that is easy to understand by everyone and for explaining all the terms you use cause some content creators be needing a dictionary and a philosophy degree to follow each point they make
True
Very frustrating for me dealing with VERY educated people in my family who sound JUST like this; I never had a term "Apologetic' before. We, my family members ALL have similar Liberal University education which included basic courses in Logic and Critical thinking, but when it comes to 'argument' where Christianity is concerned this past education all goes out the window. YOU pointed out here some of those most basic faults in the discussions I've had/ have with family who I love and still respect. I SAW how you told that you have a distant love/ relationship with your 'closest' family (those you were raised by and with whom you grew up. I AM sadly at this point in MY own deconstruction and family relationships. This video reminds me of my older brother with TWO bachelor's degrees! (?) Frustrating to me-- NOW. I try appreciate what you say and HOW you present it. Thank you very much for your channel. 😊
My sister is one of the smartest people I know. She also has studied philosophy in University. Her brain is sharp and quick as a sword, whatever topic we are discussing. And we like to talk about everything - philosophy, nature, linguistics, history, animal behaviour, human behaviour...
But she believes in Christian God, and those couple of times I have tried to question the logics of her belief, she changes and just says "I believe because I want to and it makes me feel good snd safe".
She does not use her wonderful brain and logic there. I don't want to make her mad or sad or unsafe, so I never question her faith anymore.
We are both far too old to start having sibling rivalry, which we never even had when we were children.
So, I think people just use "different brains" when they handle their religion.
I am few years younger than she is, and started to doubt Christianity in early teens. Decades before "New atheism", whatever it is, so I guess I am an old atheist. I liked to read, so I read every book in our house, also big parts of the Bible. And it just did not make sense. I thought God was so petty and incompetenet, and not good at all. Even Jesus was not allways very nice to his followers and other people.
Our Scandinavian family was not very religious, we had Christmas table Bible reading and we were taught to read a small prayer when going to bed, that's all. So the question of religion was not the most important thing in my teen age mind at all.
When I was 15, I went to a traditional "Bible camp", sort of, after which there was a Confirmation in a church. That is very common in our country, even nowadays, and when I was young it was almost the rule and tradition for every family.
On that camp I was quite surprised and upset. "Do these people really believe this all is TRUE?"
I did not know what to do, I was so alone there. I knew nobody So I decided to just close my mind from the feelings they tried to make us feel and listened the teaching using my brain. I was a good student, learning was easy for me, so I acted like a role player long before role playing was a thing. I gave the right answers, but in my mind I was just waiting to get out of that island. Yes, we were on a small island! I decided to think everything through when I am out of that "one truth" -place.
And so I did, and found out I don't believe in God - and that there are many people who really really do believe.
I used to hold Frank in such high regard (even still have a .pdf copy of I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist that I got years ago as a believer, partially for nostalgia and partially for deconstruction) While I don't find that he is devoid of any wisdom at all, its pretty rare that he will ever say anything of actual value. It was actually because of people like Frank that I was able to abandon theism in the way that I did, especially when you look at his first point.
I was told by Frank and others like him that atheists will tell you "there is no truth", or "its all relative", and all kinds of these phrases. But when I actually started to listen to atheists, I never once heard anything even close to what I was told they would say. It was a huge slap in the face to me. I not only felt lied to about what other people actually say, but I felt so unequipped to respond to their raised points. It really felt like I was being trained to fight in hand to hand combat, only for my fights to all be hand to gun combat. Sure a rare few things worked when I was lucky, but I honestly felt like I was set up to fail. Huge blow to my confidence in the "leaders" of apologetics.
around the concept of believing there's a lot of complexity... there's no evidence for god, so even the pope is an agnost... but you can't prove none existence... so you can't rule out the possibility of the existence.... but that doesn't mean that you believe in the existence...
@marcdc6809 that's why my stance is lacking a belief in any God claims that have been presented to me. I can't say that there is no god, but every definition of god that has been presented to be has not been given enough evidence for me to be convinced of its existence. I can't say there is no god at all, I can just say I'm not convinced by any gods presented.
@@TheIronicRaven true, I think to admit 'I don't know' is humble and keeps the options open.
yep, obviously Frank really hasn't listened to an atheist at least since last he was on a panel with christopher hitchens while hitch was dying. Even then, Hitch took Frank to the rhetorical cleaners.
atheists will tell you "there is no truth", or "its all relative"
it's true that not everyone, or even most atheists, would say those things, that's not the point. the point is that everything IS relative by logic IF there is no god. what atheists say or don't say is irrelevant. what's important is the implications. i think what frank is really saying is "atheism will tell you" instead of "atheist will tell you" and maybe he's equating those two but you would be correct to say those two have different meaning.
Thank you for making this video Kristi. Keep up the great work!!
I always assume Frank Turek and others like him make their videos for Christians, so the arguments are compelling because they already believe. The videos are not meant to convert but to keep the flock together!
And make more money for extremely lavish lifestyle.
Man it was this kind of nonsense that made me NOT believe. And they've studied it and it seems that people who stay faithful do so because they've been convinced by their religion's efficacy, whereas witnessing it falling short or hypocrisy from the higher-ups makes people realize it's faults
An empty tomb is exactly as much evidence for a resurrected god as an empty stable is evidence for a flying Pegasus.
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LOL
im going to remember that one lol! that's so good!
Brilliant😂
The thing about my deconstruction process is that I used to listen to guys like this on a weekly basis and I always thought “wow, I must be too stupid to understand this. They’re probably right.” And now I think “Wow, nothing they’re saying makes any sense.”
So do you think you became more intelligent, or were you previously suppressing your intelligence?
Turek wants the big bang to be something it never claimed to be... science as we know it doesn't work during the first split second of this event... they state: we don't know what happened during or before this split second...
Turek also loves the entropy-thing... the universe is like a watch-mechanism that's wound up, which is a very human-centric way of looking at energy in general... in reality when mass clumps up it makes stars that then again allow life to form around it...
@@DocReasonableone doesn’t necessarily need intellect to become aware!
The motives to invent a resurrected Jesus is money and legacy. But the dude must not know that there have been other jesus-like myths prior to Jesus.
@@marcdc6809 Turek, like many another believers, prefers to go on the attack than the defence. By attacking the Big Bang theory or evolution, he doesn’t realise that it still doesn’t make his claim for the existence of god any more valid.
If anything, the reticence to defend his belief system, god and the bible, only serves to show what a weak proposition he has in his alternative!
My #1 reason for not believing the bible is the things said by believers. Look at Frank Turek. He has only confirmed my lack of belief with his bad arguments. Great video Kristi Burke.
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That’s an illogical inference.
Frank probably thinks the tooth fairy is real, judging by his videos.
You're nonintelligence default position is obviously more intelligent: LOL 😆
I mean …Frank probably doesn’t have an entire TH-cam Channel full of content about something he doesn’t believes exist. I’m pretty sure you guys are the weird ones here , not “ Christians “ .. is this even lucrative or productive? .. I mean Because if so .. maybe I’ll go start a page about Santa Claus even though I don’t “ believe on him” or in him.. 🤷♂️ you atheist are the real comedic relief here. Any updates on when we are evolving again? It’s been awhile hasn’t it lol
Well, in all fairness, can you prove that the tooth fairy isn't real? I have evidence that she is after all.
@@MrPeterschmitwhat evidence do you have that the tooth fairy is real?
The resurrection of Christ proves Christianity is true.
I've talked with Frank one-on-one. He's an impenetrable wall of conviction.
That’s probably more because his income depends on appearing strong in his beliefs rather than actually believing the tripe he spouts.
That's a charitable metaphor.
@@broddr"Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe." Thomas Paine - The Age of Reason
Kristi, you are definitely God's gift to the world!
Hi William. Hope you are well. How can Kristi be God's gift to the world if there is no God?
SO FRANK ISN’T IT…..? NEXT…!
@leonhanekom2311 It's like she said, some people aren't saying that there isn't a higher intelligence or God if you will just not the God of the bible which was given to us by the Catholic church which we all know is a cult. I think she knows I'm joking.
@@williamburton8984 Hi William. Thanks for your comment.
I agree with you that the Catholic church is a cult, as are many others. Unfortunately many people are deceived and have a totally warped view of the nature and character of the true God.
The God of the Bible is the true God, but sadly He is portrayed falsely by these cults. Not only by cults, but also by atheists and other non-religious peope/groups.
Regards, Leon
@@uselogic1You mean the seducer, fornicator who impregnated a married woman because there were no other virgin girls in Nazareth? And henpecked carpenter husband couldn't sue for abuse of omnipotence?
It always amazes me what passes for "convincing arguments" to Christians. 🙄🤷♂
in philosophy I gather that phenomenon is known as "confirmation bias" but I doubt it is anything unique to neo-apologetics especially.
You nailed it: GOD IS MAN MADE!! Everything else after that is, as you say, non sequitur. Great video Kristi!
The thing that helped me to understand that god is man made, was know that God before being called "God" was called Yahweh, one god among a pantheon and he was the God of war from this pantheon, so if Zeus and Odin aren't real so does Yahweh.
Man created God in his image
@@albertoalves1063Allah is the word God in Aramaic
Wait, if something is created then the creator is able to do anything it wants inside of its creation?! Someone needs to tell the parents of sick kids that they have this amazing power! 13:40 ish
@@gleidhold exactly! They can use their free will to heal the child they created, it's perfect! Who knew
Hi Kristi, ever considered doing a collaborative video with other deconstruction channels? Through your channel I found a couple of others I really liked 😊 you were the first one though so kudos and thanks!
Kristi, once again you have an amazing analysis! Thank you for your thoughtful videos.
If people can put a body in a tomb, then people can take a body out of a tomb. Empty tombs mean absolutely nothing.
Where is the tomb?
Awesome video as always Kristi. Good stuff. After reading through some of the comments I’ve seen on your channel, as well as other atheist channels, I think an interesting topic might be how believers seem to feel threatened by non believers. I realize not all believers feel that way, but I don’t understand why some come to these channels and want to get into arguments with people here or try to convert them back to Christianity. The same question keeps coming into my thoughts; why?
I think that generally those that come to argue on these channels are deeply insecure because deep down they know what they believe is BS and so they think that if they can convince someone that it is true then it will alleviate some of their doubt.
Ironically they would be better of just watching Turek's BS instead.
@@sulas548 l thought critical thinking is about listening to the opposite argument. Your comment seems very bizarre.
@@colinsmith1288 I have spent five decades listening to the opposite arguments and the total lack of critical thinking in their argument is why I wrote that comment.
It is based on observation and countless discussions with the faithful from all religions.
Critical thinking is the rational, logical evaluation of available facts not listening to the baseless assertions of those that do not, or cannot, use it.
@sulas548 Just someone cannot prove something to you does not mean it does not exist. Countless people die every year because their symptoms of ill health are ignored by medical doctors who rely solely on their medical training and diagnostic implements.Dismissing ones belief does not make it wrong. Sometimes people are just worn down and think accordingly to how they feel.Science does not have all the answers. It helps but over reliance on it can literally get you killed. Religion can to.There are fanatics on both sides of the spectrum.
Turek debated Christopher Hitchins. That's very worth watching.
yes it is and Frank got very angry in that debate. I think that was a sign that he was struggling
@@damianwhite504can't wait to watch it now. Thanks.
@@damianwhite504 the problem Frank had with Hitchins... Hitchens exposed Frank to be a liar, and then he lost the charisma-battle, Hitchens appeals to the part of every human that just knows that it's easy to be morally superior to the god of the bible...
What do you mean “be morally superior “ ?
@Peter-wl3tm
Being morally superior means that you support the well-being of others in a better way than who you are being compared to.
For example, if person A thinks that slavery is wrong and person B thinks that slavery is perfectly OK, then person A is morally superior to person B.
Thank you, Kristi for tackling this one👍
This is the second one of your videos I have watched, and it made me step back and look at how I might behave in a religious discussion. I realized that I need to be right rather than being more about the discussion, and that is a bad thing.
That is an excellent realization, and a very difficult one to have and to further work on. Human nature definitely pushes the "must be right" mentality super hard, and when we find we're wrong on something, there are two ways we can go: Either insist we were never wrong to begin with, and attack the thing that made us think we were, or change our understanding to BECOME right again. Either way you _feel_ right, but in only one case are you _actually_ correct.
This realization of yours (and hopefully my own comment) will go a long way towards keeping you on the actually-right side of things as you go through life. It's a very nice place to be :D No nagging doubts in the back of your head, no discomfort at the strange inconsistencies of your various beliefs. It's a very pleasant experience all-around, though it can at times be hard to pick this long-term option in the face of instant gratification.
I saw a quote yesterday that sums this up nicely: "When an honest man realizes he was wrong, he can either stop being wrong, or stop being honest."
If you recognize it you can work on it.
Reason #1:
"My version of mathematics is true because numbers exist."
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Lmao kinda sounds like Terrance howard proving that 1x1=2😂
Thank you, Kristi! I enjoy your presentations very much. I've been checking on Turek's "arguments" ever since he tried them against Hitchens. He just recycles the same ones. Speed and glibness do not equal deep thinking.
that hitchslapping moment was to me like 'the rumble in the jungle' must have been for boxing enthousiasts... when Turek tried to call Hitler and Stalin atheists and Hitchens pointed out 'Gott mit uns' and the fact that from 1941 Russian orthodox chuch became the leading religion of the USSR...
At 15:08 he says " all of the writers of the New Testament were Jewish except for Luke". That pretty much undermines anything he has to say about the subject. The writers of the New Testament were Greek . A historical Jesus would have spoken Aramaic and the people of that time and place were mostly illiterate.
You are a shining star among blury apologetic stars like Turek, you are like clean water, a katarsis making my mind uplifted, looking through the foggy landscape of multiple different perspectives. I'm always looking forward to your TH-cam-speeches, make my day 😷😎😷❤🤘👌
The more that I listen to Mr. Turek, the more it sounds like he's deliberately being convoluted, loud, & talks fast. Very good video breaking down what he said. Keep up the good work 😊
“Notice how they like to reside in the realm of ‘possibility’” - beautifully said! Apologetics are all about convincing believers that what they want to believe is ‘possible’.
Frank's "arguments" could literally be applied to any religion, but that doesn't prove that religion is true to anyone who isn't a believer of that religion
With the fervency of his arguments, it’s clear he’s trying to convince himself it’s all true, let alone anyone else 😂
great commentary. turek is embarrassingly inept in articulating an argument. when he's in the ring with an atheist, his ignorance knows no bounds.
They are all this terrible, to be honest.
False pastor Frank "EAT A FRANK."
@@het53 Fashoo
It's funny that it's so normal in his community to lack logic while speaking about faith, he can confidently present this to instruct others. Wow haha, it's a bit sad, if I were christian I would feel the need to pray for him
Maybe I am wrong, but I am convinced that religion is a big cause for lack of critical thinking skills and the consequent easy spread of conspiracy theories, quackery and all sorts of scams. Religion train people to scrap logic, tells them to trust their instincts (instead of how correctly test and fact-check), teaches them that if they believe it it’s true. Which can lead to devastating consequences when applied to real life decisions.
Thanks for your thoughtful comments on this apologetic presentation. After listening to many, many apologist I agree that they are preaching to the choir. I have not heard of any evidence (other than “I said so, so it must be true”) to convince me that Christianity is true.
I must say this, I SIMPLY LOVE the way that you approach this subject it is SO much better than some very angry, sometimes abusive, atheists out there. Your approach probably turns more people away from belief in mythology than the louder "I'm smarter than you" types.
One addition I'd like to point out. Not only did they often leave people on a crucifix (cross or pole) but they had a dump southwest of Jerusalem where criminals where thrown. It was known as G'hanna where they kept constant fires burning to keep the wormlike fly maggots at bay (I'm hoping this is bringing back some scriptural verses that most xians view as hell when it was an actual place, a dump).
Anyway, I always enjoy your videos, and believe you have the correct approach to "arguing with mainstream xians". Keep up the good work.
Frank doesn’t say anything new. He just says it louder.
There was a lot of circular reasoning and logical fallacy - he is only convincing those who are already convinced. "Wait, you didn't answer the question!"
Like most apologists, Turek likes to misrepresent Big Bang cosmology. That or he just doesn't understand it (or want to). The Big Bang is NOT the claim that the universe came into existence from "nothing", but rather the expansion of the universe from an initial condensed point of extremely high heat and density.
@@het53 Tell yourself whatever you need to sleep at night honeypumpkin. Meanwhile I'll be over here in this place called "reality".
Ah, just excellent, Kristi. I think your analyses of their thinking processes are right on the money. And I’ve been in this for decades, confronting Christians. I’m currently talking to a minister, and have repeatedly told him that “popularity does not determine truth” and that “Yeah, if you ASSUME it’s true in the first place and argue from that starting point.” I’ve been becoming more and more aware of how they, as a matter of course, spout generalizations, truisms, and non sequiturs that do not address the specifics of an issue. My own channel (“ConfrontingBelievers”) expresses the same objections to Christianity as you do. I’ll be watching more of your videos. Miklos Jako
I think this is the guy that basically said he was an atheist but his wife kept nagging him and he eventually started reading a Bible maybe it's more like his wife said we're not going to have any more alone time until you become a Christian. Me myself reading the Bible sent me running down the path to atheism.
I remember my then wife telling me she would stop talking to me if I started reading the Bible. Six weeks later I could recite the Bible by heart. 😛
You are not suggesting that Frank let his little head do the thinking?
For many atheists reading their holy texts often leads to atheism, it did for me as well additionally reading Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Babylonian mythology greatly aided in the process.
@@vestafreyja Teaching Little Frankie how to think is like teaching a fish how to ride a bicycle. It just ain't gonna happen.
Me to!
No I'm pretty sure you are thinking of Lee Strobel.
She does such a great job. She catches them as they spit out their Word salad lol that mean nothing and go nowhere. She’s on point.
word salad ?? and here I thought it was word soup
Frank really helped me deconvert in this one simple statement "god can do what he wants to you because his god"
indeed, that makes truth as feeble as 'whatever god decided truth should be on any given day'...
Exactly. Some action is not good just because god did it. He killed all humans and animals in the big flood. Thou shalt not kill. Okay, but it's okay if god kills? NO. Reading the old testament one has to accept a huge amount of immoral stuff, done or ordered by god. Every decent person can do better than god of the old testament.
Hi Kristi! I want to congratulate you on how you handled the Frank Turek video. IMO, Frank Turek is a manipulator.
Many years ago I read an outline of steps that most heroic narratives take place, from Joseph Campbell. From my memory, i list them below.
12 Steps of the Heroic Narrative
1) the Hero is born, usually in simple surroundings, usually of mysterious circumstances.
The Hero may be descended from royalty or even a god.
2) The Hero grows up normally but may display an unusual talent of wisdom
3) as a young adult, the Hero feels the need of a call to action, usually from a threat to his family, tribe, or nation
4) the hero has self doubt as to his worthiness to to answer the call
5) the Hero is now ready to accept his call to action, and
6) begins a Quest, to help his people but this is also a quest of self-discovery
7) on this Quest, the Hero makes friends, (disciples), enemies and challenges that test him in a variety of ways
8) on his Quest, he may have to go into a cave or underworld and face a challenge, a temptation, or a monster of some kind
9) the Hero survives the underworld challenge and goes on to even greater battles
10) the Hero may not survive this battle, or He is betrayed by someone He trusts
11) the Hero dies, but is resurrected
12) the Hero must now depart his land, but promises to return sometime in the future in a time of great need of His people.
As you can see, this narrative is followed by Luke Skywalker in Star Wars, King Arthur, Hercules, Lord of the Rings, and the story of Jesus.
What happens if your answer to "Does truth exist?" is "I dunno, maybe?" It's like how Pyrro the skeptic felt that, in order to truly have no opinion on any question of truth, he had to just grunt and shrug, because answering yes or no was playing the game that he thought couldn't be played.
Escaping brainwashing is like winning the lottery. Congrats to all the winners! Kristi you’re getting better and better, and you’re giving a lot of people hope they too can win ❤
Still kinda lame not having a positive belief system and just here till you die
@kelseykjarsgaard5774 lol, a lot of projection and misunderstanding going on in your statement. We don't need a static belief system. We rely on our rationality, curiosity and our humanity to guide us. Our life is much more exciting and meanigful, because we are responsible for giving it meaning and purpose. We don't need some ridiculous, immoral edicts from the bronze age. Life for us is precious and beautiful. We carve our own immortality with our actions and our generosity.
@@marsrii4372 I kinda do and I've been out body more then once and researched ndes also..
@@marsrii4372 it's very repetitive and I've had lot of amazing experiences and getting old is not that fun
@kelseykjarsgaard5774 if you think about it, though, even most belief systems are "You're just here til you die", there just happens to be another place to go to once that happens. Life can be full of meaning regardless of whether or not there's something "after", why would only people that assume there's a heaven later want to live fulfilling lives?
Just for fun, whenever I stay in a hotel room, I find the Gideon Bible, I go to Genesis 1, and I cross out “In the beginning” and write “Once upon a time.”
"In the beginning" of Genesis one, is the spring equinox where the seven gods proclaim "let there be light." The sacred year begins at the spring equinox and ends at the spring equinox.
What you should write in the page before the start is;
"The events and characters in this book are entirely fictitious and any reference to anyone living or dead is just a coincidence."
Douglas Adams
@@sulas548
The first major lie, in the bible, is found in verse one of Genesis.
Go to Revelation. Genesis is history.
@@ianbuick8946
Rev 9.5, the scorpion (Scorpio constellation) is the leader of the five months that can harm man. This is the Zodiac and the five "months" are Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces. Scorpio is associated with flies and locusts. Remember where Jesus is called Beelzebub aka Lord of the Flies?
Thank you for this video. As someone who is currently exploring faith/Christianity, you’re videos help me balance our both perspectives.
I call that first bit The Turek Truth Loop. I'm sure he thinks he's just a big brain for that. But it sounds like my grandson telling the knock-knock jokes he just learned from a book.
"Bullshitting Believers for Dummies"
Whenever I hear one of these excusagists I think of M C Escher's drawing "Ascending & Descending", and each of them is descending to try to get lower than the others with their terrible arguments.
Northing can't convince me anymore, thank u kristi u the best
Nice Subscriber numbers Kristi!
People enjoy watching your inner & outer beauty! Your guy sure is lucky!
You are brilliant, fair and reasonable. There is a guy named Paul Willis from "the fifth Kind" who would turn Frank Turek and the Christian Church on its head if they'd hear him. He tells exactly how the book is not true at all. Thank you so much for continuing to rescue lost souls from the harm of the Christian indoctrination and its theology. Stay strong.
I loved your definition of "a strawman argument!" Would you consider making a video specifically about false argumentation tactics? 🙏
Great idea!
This also reminds me of any legend or story. Like La Llorona. Every culture and every religion has their stories.
@kristiburke I can’t wait for the day we have to take a break 3 minutes into the video to thank the sponsors. Your content is SO GOOD! BTW I was in the Piper/Washer camp too. It’s a special kind of toxic. (We would have scoffed at lightweights Frank Turek). 😆 Keep the commentary coming you are so, so good at it. 👊
Frank Turek - If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS. As long as they give me money!
Four reasons Christianity is true:
1. I want it to be
2. I believe it is
3. Faith makes it true
4. The intellectual giant Frank Turek says it's true
Eureka.
5. If I say Christianity is NOT true I could lose all my friends and family and maybe even my livelihood.
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Yes, but the atheist's intellectual snobbery can perhaps be compared to the believer's claim to be in communication with the creator of the Universe. That's a hell of a claim, for sure. Megalomaniacal, one could say.
@@edm-london1660 In the course of my life, I've found that the more emotionally unstable a person is, the more likely they are to believe in religion or conspiracy theories. For some odd reason, mental illness of the emotional type doesn't seem to greatly affect belief (unless the person is delusional). Many simply don't think about it or don't care because their belief is largely based upon emotion. As long as their religion satisfies an emotional need, they don't care about logic or reason. This is also why religion has been called "the opiate of the masses."
@@edm-london1660 You mean I am speaking truth.
Christians believe out of fear, blind faith, emotion, feelings, hallucination, or simply being born into the culture. Preying on the vulnerable.
Everyone says our religion is true a muslim why our religion is true all religions say we are the only right religions love you're content kristi awesome video
And many brutal and bloody wars have been fought over 'my god is better than your god" issue.
@@okanudobassey9741no they were over " there's no god exist except that one and only God, who is the God of all humanity, The God of Abraham"
@@okanudobassey9741 unfortunately wars were caused by reliigions if the whole was world was atheists there would be less if not no wars
@@youtubeuser9168 What is his/her/its surname? Used to come to earth and talk to people. Why no more? What's Mr deity running away from? Nukes?
@@okanudobassey9741 you're asking about prophets? Because God never came on earth, he sent prophets until his message was completed.
Hey! I am a Christian and watch your videos. I value your thoughts and insights - it helps me to have an understanding of what agnostics and believe. Thank you again.
Is killing Amalekite babies a good thing? God seems to have thought so in 1 Samuel.
@@sbnwnc If this world is all there is and this life is all we have, and all the amalakites had then this would make no sense. (I'm sure you feel as strongly about other babies being killed too). However, I believe (I can't prove it, it's a matter of trust and faith) that this world is not all there is. That there is more and that God will put everything right.
When a referee sends someone off in a soccer game I don't think their evil. Because I know there's more than just the soccer match.
That how I deal with these passages. I'm genuinely sorry that God appears heartless and tyrannical to you.
I believe that Jesus is the full revelation of God, to him act, love and speak is to see God love, act and speak. To me he is everthing and I owe him everything.
@@andycaldwell7981 I don't think that makes any sense. You are justifying an evil act, an act of genocide and infanticide. What is the basis for that justification? That God will sort it out in the end? If that's the case you could say "Kill them all, God will sort it out." In fact, that is exactly what you have said.
Is that morality? Is that the sort of moral lesson you would expect from an all-knowing, all-powerful, and perfectly wise God?
@@sbnwnc yep that's exactly what I'm saying. I would disagree with the language you've used, nothing God does is evil.
Personally, I am in no position to judge God and genuinely unsure why you are attacking me when I came on to thank Kristi.
I understand some people hate God Christopher Hitchens, Steven Fry "either the God of the Bible doesn't exist or he's not worth your worship". But attacking others because they believe in and worship God is unkind. If you don't believe in God, fine if you want to debate about the nature of God find a theologian.
As for me I want to be kind, do good, seek to help, build up and not tear down or we may become the very thing that many dispise about some Christians who are unloving desperate to be right and prove others wrong. I genuinely don't mean this to be hurtful or unkind to you but I'm not looking for a fight or a discussion- I just wanted to thank Kristi. Hope you have a great and wonderful day! ☀️
@@andycaldwell7981 I am not attacking you. I am asking you questions to try to ascertain your beliefs. Your belief in God has lead you to the conclusion that it is sometimes morally right to indiscriminately kill babies. If I told you that my belief in Vishnu or the Koran lead me to the same conclusion, wouldn't you wonder a bit about the validity of Hinduism or Islam?
I agree with you 100%. I’d like to also add a possible reason why they made up the resurrection. I imagine you have people that were told they had to give everything up to follow Jesus. To be a part of this cult they had to give it all up. And in the end they watched someone they believe was immortal get arrested, tortured and executed. How do these people go back to their families? How do they go back and admit they were wrong.? This might be one of the reasons why so many of these eyewitness accounts contradict each other.
it's ALL made up
So you think they wasted their time for a lie?
You don’t even belief your nonsense.
@@Marcelo.1927 sure I do.
I don't think I could make it through something called "legislating morality." But this little talk cinched it: can you say "HUGE" leap? So many ifs to leap from, I can't see how I was ever suckered into this, yet alone for so long.
I was a fan already, but this episode was a stand out! Well done Kristi, you're a champion.
Another reason why critical thinking should be taught in high schools. Keep up the great work!
I sincerely appreciate your wisdom and the way you communicate your thoughts. Your page has become one of my faves…Cheers!
Creation of the universe out of nothing, and Turek has that proof? Give the man a Nobel 🏆.
the peace price maybe, all the others require a bit more scientific background...
I am reminded of the statement that the Bible is true because the Bible says so!🤣
There is no way they can convince someone who is intellectually competent because it’s not real.
I see where you are coming from. I just can’t get past the fact that the universe ( our earth and all its animals included ) just rose out of random.
And if it did …for what purpose ?
But then if the Bible’s claim of how creation came to be and then “fell” then why let it fall as in making it a “mistake” by the creator .
And on top of that, how could Lucifer rebel against God in heaven?
Yes, there are many people who claim there is no truth, and the idea lays at the foundation of the curriculum presented at most modern educational institutions.
Which curriculum is that?
@@jezebelvibes “From Scientific American:
Students are being taught by these postmodern professors that there is no truth, that science and empirical facts are tools of oppression by the white patriarchy, and that nearly everyone in America is racist and bigoted, including their own professors, most of whom are liberals or progressives devoted to fighting these social ills.
@@SavedSkeptic You are a deeply unserious person who let their little ego blow up a little too high, listen to me and listen well, you are not as smart as you think you are, in fact you are not smart at all. The quicker you learn this lesson the quicker you can start on fixing it
Given he possibility that a God/Creator exists, it does not mean that He would endorse a Christian Bible (full of contradictions) to tell of his existence.
The opposite is true. If God did exist, then we know to an absolute certainty that he would not endorse the Bible.
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS, CHRISTIANS, and ALL RELIGIONS
VS.
The BIBLE, GOD, and JESUS CHRIST
Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, and all Religions, after studying the BIBLE on their own,
1. rejected God's Sovereignty as worthless and useless in defiance of what were written in the Mark 12: 29, 30 and John 17: 3
and
fill the world instead with their claims that God doesn't exist and the Bible is just a worthless and useless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales
2. rejected the authority and teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless and useless in defiance of what were written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26
and
fill the world instead with their Unbiblical teachings about "Armageddon", "heaven and hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation".
The REAL WORTH, VALUE, and IMPORTANCE of the BIBLE, GOD's SOVEREIGNTY, and JESUS CHRIST's AUTHORITY and TEACHINGS to HUMAN BEINGS
Jesus Christ KNOWS
that the loving, kind, and merciful God's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth without liars, immoral, traitors, perverts, and murderers as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 and 21: 8
is definitely
NOT for Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, and all Religions who are filling the world with their -
1. claims that God doesn't exist and the Bible is just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales
2. Unbiblical teachings and doctrines about "Armageddon", "heaven and hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
but
ONLY for all lowly, ordinary, kind, and submissive persons on earth who submit to his authority and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26.
God KNOWS
that all human beings have no immortal souls and will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 and 9: 5, 6,
and
Atheists, Agnostics, Christians and all Religions in the world who rejected his Sovereignty and his Christ's authority and teachings as worthless and useless will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their natural deaths
but
all his loving, kind, and respectful worshippers and followers of his Christ who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Mary, Martha, Lazarus, and many others will not remain as worthless dusts forever,
instead, in the right and proper time,
he will let
Jesus Christ, as a loving, kind, and merciful Heavenly Master and King,
resurrect them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the
"KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom
and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.