Deconstructing Worship | When God Needs to be Praised
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Maybe next we should talk about the purpose of angels
Actually Allah doesnt need our praise. Only Godlessness would ever utter such a thing. Allah/God does not need, but we creation do. It's really not complicated. Allah knows creation better than we know ourselves. Praising the Creator of existence makes sense in the grand scheme of things, Christianity really messed up the belief in Allah, with convoluted nonsense, mixing lies with truths and making up christianity a religion our messiah jesus whom be peace never labelled in the so called new testament. How ironic that most athiests come from christianity than any other religion. Yes we muslims have a small percentage of ex muslims, The funny irony of majority of those ex muslims is, most of them are born muslims who grew disgusted with cultural family members interpretation of islam, instead of authentic islam. As a former christian from jew background. I can fully understand why the small percent of ex muslims leave islam and become athiests. Many born muslims are quite disgraceful and terrible examples of muslim. On the other hand their are decent examples of muslims hence many none muslims become muslim after seeing the good manners and learning about islam.
I often joke about the angels.
Christianity is such a strange religion. hahaha!
God... his son Jesus... Michael the archangel... Gabriel... it's all men up there!
Angels. the divine messengers. or creatures that use their magic to save you from mishaps.
There is absolutely NO business case for the existence of angels. The Bible itself is embarrasingly conflicted about the existence of angels.
don't forget the fallen ones 😉
mindshift showed they are SLAVES to EVIL YWH
They are EVIL YWH THUGS
Love how the DUPES put all the EVIL on The EVI ONE, WHO NOT IN OT
Then PRAISE ALL of EVIL YWH EVIL, NOT THAT THEY CALL IT THAT
WHAT MAKES the EVIL ONE EVIL THEN
WHAT IS EVIL TEHN
Even as a kid, I always thought god came off as really needy and desperate, really having humanlike qualities.
I know toddlers with better emotional regulation skills!
Yep, That's before we were indoctrinated
Yes, like a toxic, gaslighting, abusive spouse.
Why would he need constant praise. Is he insecure or egotistical? Why would he need setvents is he incompetent? Sounds like human qualities, and not the ones you admire.
Lile a child having a temper tantrum. And kids learn quickly that it does not work. Sometimes you find the best solution is to ignore them!!@jezebelvibes
A perfect being wouldn't need anything. Desire and necessity indicates that something is missing and therefore not perfect
a succint summary of my thoughts! :)
@@jezebelvibes great minds think alike
Interesting statement but questionable. I would recommend it as an hypothesis.
The notion of adding to perfect does not have to be associated with something missing or need.
It can be argued that adding to perfect would be perfect.
@randybaker6042 if something is perfect, by definition, it means that it has no faults, it is complete and absolute.
@@memecity9849 , that would be a definition you are applying to something that is perfect. Those three are fine with me as a few attributes of perfect.
But I have no idea why you said it to me. I will repeat myself.
The notion of adding to perfect does not have to be associated with something missing or need.
It can be argued that adding to perfect would be perfect.
Perfect adding to perfect and complete and absolute can easily be imagined to be perfect. In fact, it would have to be perfect.
I had a daughter with a terminal genetic disease. She died at 14 months. I actually had someone tell me that if i would have prayed every day that she would still be here. I told them that if you have a child with down syndrome, you can pray every day but it is in their chromosones just like the disease my daughter had. They just dont get it. That time in my life is why i walked away from religion. I feel so much better too.
Sorry for your loss. You're better off not being around those losers. I hope you have found some peace somehow. Best---H
But did the religion itself tell you that if you would pray every day, then your daughter wouldn't die?
Sad you met someone like that - but one person isn't a representative for all believers.
@@johnheaton5058doesn't undermine this person's experience with believers dummy
They are just stupid and uneducated. They don't know biology at all.
I was a worship leader for almost a decade and worship was the first thread that started to unravel my belief.
A God that is worthy of worship, would neither request, nor require it.
Jesus is "God-revealed"... Jesus never demanded for worship. He gave, he served, he healed, he taught, he protected... They later came to the point of worship. If God "needed" your worship, he would just get it... You don't worship because you have to. Woship is a response to revelation... God is more interested in revealing Himself to you than anything you could possibly give Him.
@@iamthegleamnearly had an aneurysm trying to make sense of all that. The lengths you weirdos go to explain stuff...
@@iamthegleam Why do you believe that? Please give any evidence
Who approaches the mystery of death without a Savior such as Christ? That's like having intercourse with a prostitute without wearing protection 😑
@@iamthegleamAre you truly a Bible reader? Didn’t Jesus say You can’t choose your family above me or else。。😮This god deserved only Him to be chosen its no different from worship😅
People don't need religion, religion needs people!
Maybe not "need" need, like how i don't _need_ sugar, but it's an easy comfort... :-s (Otherwise it couldn't have lasted this long.)
Replace religion with god
@user-wx6pf2bc2r This term "god," I'm not sure what you mean by it.
Seeing as how almost everyone has their own definition, it seems like an utterly useless, non-demonstrable, and absurd idea to me.
Thanks for the suggestion, but I'll stick with what I wrote, having chosen the words very carefully!
Thus says The Lord: Beloved, upon what foundation does the love of God rest? With what thread is the Word of The Lord woven? Can any man know the mind of God? Can flesh touch The Holy? Tell Me, if you know.
And what is man, that he should be created in My image, the image of The Son of Man? For within man is My breath; I gave him life. He was made through Me and for Me; I caused him to be. It was My own blood which was shed for him, My own life which was poured out, even unto death. Therefore all those who come to Me and drink shall be made new; whether awake or sleeping, all My beloved shall arise and live. For I AM HE, The Resurrection and The Life.
Thus there is indeed a focal point of creation, of which I am always mindful, a reason I created the heavens and the earth and everything in them - It is mankind. Yet man does not yet understand what he is, nor can he comprehend what he shall be. For I have made man in My own image, that in the fullness of time he would come to dwell in Me and I in him, being at all times with Me where I am. In that day he will become like Me, for he shall see Me as I truly am.[1]
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For the Day of The Lord has come,
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@@warriorofthelord4142 You and your evil "god." Vile.
A perfect being doesn’t need other people to tell them that they’re perfect.
But Yahweh is a lesser being, so it fits that he wants to be worshiped
@@leehun4044 Yahweh actually just isn’t a being. He’s fictional.
@@YourAlexander CEOs are not superior to the people that work for them.
@@GreyGreenGod so is the Bible
@@YourAlexander I just don’t think your analogy fits with my sentiment and I don’t want them confused.
It would hurt me deeply if one of my kids told me they were worthless, and unworthy of my love. That is a horrible way for a child to feel. Definitely wouldn't want them hanging around other kids who continuously told them that's how they are supposed to feel, and they should go home to praise and worship me. Sounds a little abusive to me.🤔
Well done! Perfectly put!
@rodconyers6609 but what if the kid IS actually worthless and really isn't worthy of my love. ....like what if he's a complete disappointment and a total failure? What then?
@@gregsanich5183 how exactly would any kid be ‘actually worthless’ and ‘really unworthy’ of your love? What exactly would make them both of those things? And What exactly would make any kid a ‘complete disappointment’ and a ‘total failure’? Please explain.
@christopheradams1912 a complete lack of competence, and total absence of capability.
God, like us imperfect human beings, needs validation.
I agree with you. A supreme being wouldn't need or want worship from lesser beings. Keep up the hard work!
As a joke I had a dog that I would say "worship " to when I wanted her to lay down. People thought it was mean. The dog doesn't understand language, she just knew that word or sound ment to lay down. I was making a point I think about the absurdly of a greater being needing worship
Gord didn't know how to enjoy himself,so he "The Holey Ghost Trinity", made you
Actually a real God doesn't need praises simply because God has no competition because he create everything unlike human that become too aluded when somebody praise, it gave us happiness and higher ego, we feel superior than other, God is a trillion time superior to everything.God doesn't need singing and whatever
God is complete He doesn't need anything,He also not jeoulous, don't get angry .God is an entity.
@@Grandeur-n9q I used to read the bible. I thought it said that your god is a jealous god. Did I misread that?
I give worship and praise to the only supreme being, because I want to not because I have to.
After praying for many years, without any answer or any sign, I couldn't think of God as a real person.
@@YourAlexander Why does he need to do all that? That is ridiculous. It shouldn't be that hard. God should just show up.
@@YourAlexander i pray every day but god still hasn't taken all the christians away to heaven yet.
what you're saying is "if you want to hallucinate you have to take the LSD". i dare say there are many ways to come to the belief there is a god, it still won't be true. tell me, if you witnessed a car crash and all five passengers had lost a limb and were bleeding profusely, would you pray for them or call an ambulance? last time your phone broke did you take it to your pastor for the demons to be expelled? and what does god need a boat for? i never got that, he was worried he might kill animals by mistake in the flood? why not just put them somewhere safe? god couldn't reserve an island? and getting noah to build it when god can snap his fingers and presto - a fleet?
anyway if you're christian can you remind god he can't just go around killing people and burning
them alive for eternity just because they disagree with him, we have rights. and while you're
at it, cold fusion, if god isn't going to do anything about putin (heart attack or something
that looks natural), if he's not going to stop the war, (when did he ever stop a war) then the
least he can do is hint as to
how to get cold fusion working - has he seen my electricity bills since the ukraine debacle
started, there's a love eh. don't be pushy though, god has a short fuse.
50 minutes? not 51 or 49?
@@YourAlexander You are so full of yourself.
@@YourAlexander define "meal"... does a protein bar count as a snack or a meal? -.-
I kept getting the same answer for every prayer my grace is sufficient for you after about the 80th time of that being the answer and apparently the reason for all of my trauma* idk why my phone corrected trauma to teams* is bc I don't bow down and worship my abusers so I gave up on the xtian way of thinking I feel so much better too
I’ve honestly been on my non Christian journey for 5 years now and I’ve never felt more free. Your channel is so informative and it substantiates my choice 😊
So happy you found your way out! You should be really proud of yourself for that. It brings me a lot of purpose knowing my content can resonate with so many. It's a difficult journey but it's worth it, I think. I'm really happy to have you here!
Same for me! I’ve been deconstructing for over a year after over 50 arduous years of being dependent on studying the buy-bull and trying to depend an “all loving, perfect” MIA god. I have never felt so free!
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“Oh you just want to sin”…says every Christian ever😂. Smh. Without even hearing their argument.
@ChristopherMueller-qm9us atheists dont have arguments. They say they lack a belief when their backed into a corner. William lane Craig said it best that atheism is a religion with no verifiable evidence for it
@@ChristopherMueller-qm9us or "you were never a true Christian" 😅 they were taught what to say and what to think instead of how to think!
I’ve been looking for you for 34 years. I knew I wasn’t nuts ❤
This is probably the key idea that made me leave my religion. Even before I was fully convinced that I didnt believe in a god, I found that the idea of someone wanting people to worship them was revolting, and decided that even if this god was real, I didnt want to worship him
I have the added Catholic strangeness of being required to eat his body and drink his blood once a week. So, I have to praise him, followed by eating him, literally. This is way more revolting than merely praising. Even receiving first communion in second grade, I was pretty sure Jesus was using a metaphor, even though I had no idea what a metaphor is...just...all those parables, I figured the whole eating the body was like that. The Kingdom of God is not a LITERAL mustard seed, same with bread turning into human flesh. But, I kept this to myself, I wanted the First Communion party. Pretty sure I wouldn't have qualified if I raised these issues.
You're misreading the whole concept of worship...
As Jesus said, the devil is the god of this world 😢
I've always felt that Christians are in an abusive relationship with god. A classic case of gaslighting. Great video.
And they are gaslighting even among themselves.
Thanking God for not punishing you like he said you deserve because you're a filthy sinner from birth is the equivalent of thanking an abusive spouse for deciding to NOT beat you up.
But if you say that to a Christian they would say something about love and freely choosing God and you send yourself to hell by rejecting God's gift of salvation etc.
They can't see that if God's the one who decides what the punishment is and why you deserve it then god isn't "saving" you from anything but himself.
So God sacrificed his son/self to himself to prevent himself from carrying out a punishment that he decided himself.
It's completely asinine
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 God created man and woman with an original sin. He then drown 99.999999% of them for sinning. Next, God impregnated a woman with Himself as her child, so that He could be born. Later He killed Himself as a sacrifice to Himself to save Israelites (NOT Africans, Chinese, Indians, Latinos, Muslims, or even Europeans) from Himself because of the sin He had bestowed upon them in the first place.
Lol wow. No the way I see it, I and the abusive one. He extends mercy and grace and forgiveness and then I forget to even talk to him until I need something.
@@carolmoore1038
If God is the one who decided that death is the punishment for sin and God is also the one who's supposedly "saving" you, who are you being saved from?
Having your eyes opened to the ridiculousness of the faith is a lot like seeing the set of your favorite tv show. Once it’s exposed you can’t unsee it.
Exactly.
Thx for helping people get away from the abuse of religion
One thing I always questioned even as a kid in Sunday schools was that I was raised to value things like freedom and the ability to choose one’s own path in life no matter who you were, but then you were expected to love the idea of ending up becoming a eternal slave to just praise this god who needs it for some reason.
They say "freedom in christ" but that freedom includes making yourself a "slave to christ" . It's a really conflicting message!
@@jezebelvibes It really is a contradiction. I think Christians are having a very hard time coming to terms with their Christian identity vs modern views on individual freedom.
Woww!! in Sunday school??? I wish I had had that level of critical thinking! congrats on that!
@@Justin_Beaver564more than anything, this is an indictment again liberal theology, one that essentially makes man's autonomous free will out to be on the same level as God's sovereignty. This is NOT the God of Scripture, but it IS the god that you guys have an issue with. Spoiler alert, I also have an issue with this weak false liberal god that you mentioned.
@@YourAlexander …You’re the first person I ever heard say something could be difficult for God. I’m pretty sure the Bible would disagree that ANYTHING would be difficult for him. If I had the powers he supposedly has, it’d be easy for me too. Also, I don’t care how you define “worship”. It’s not something I’d find appealing to do for an eternity.
As a Catholic, I was raised to believe God made us to replace 1/3 of fallen angles who fell from heaven like a flash of lightning. It does beg the question why not just create a fresh batch of angles instead of the entire drama of salvation
Why not create angels that don't fall? He's supposed to know everything past, present, future, and the timeless infinite. He would have had to design the fall of angels.
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@WisdomfromScriptures-pz9vz Your argument about true free will being incompatible with obedience is utterly ridiculous. If God creates angels to blindly follow his commands, that’s not true free will-it’s puppetry. You’re claiming that love exists in a system where obedience is mandated, but that’s a laughable contradiction.
If rebellion is an inherent part of free will, then your so-called "loving" God set up a universe destined for chaos. It shows a lack of foresight on his part, doesn’t it? How can you trust a deity that creates beings with the capacity for rebellion yet then punishes them for exercising that very freedom? It’s a pathetic excuse to blame humanity for divine failures. Your attempt to rationalize this mess only exposes the gaping holes in your belief system, revealing a god that’s more about control than love.
it's the same thing with this only besotted ... I mean begotten son nonsense. This all powerful god thing could beget a thousand sons per second.
Believe in yourself instead of believing and praising an invisible God who was created by humans. Good work, Kristi.
@@YourAlexander Cruel men created a cruel god.
@@YourAlexander how do you know that the joy and peace you feel come from god? that was a major struggle for me to understand
@@anamariacastro5272There is unexplainable peace that can come from loving God even in midst of insanity
@@YourAlexander the joy and happiness I felt at church was gone as soon as I left it. And I've also felt the same in concerts and other situations, so...
Agreed. Kristi is a universal Treasure.
You speak with such logic and good, common sense.❤
"You're looking at God through a human lens!" Only lens I got, boss. I either look at him through it, or I don't look at him at all.
AMEN 🙏 😅
oh...perfect!
This comment somehow sums it ALL up for me. Perfect.
@@YourAlexander that's still looking at god through a human lens! Hope this helps
“only lens i got, boss” LMAO
I don't worship anything anymore. I honor myself. Thanks for bringing up the topic!
Being a Humanist Atheist is always the right way to go.
@@YourAlexander this might surprise you, but some people find peace in not having the answers.
@@wolftitan ^^^ bothers me a lot that people don’t realize existence itself is enough to keep going, to be better, and to love yourself.
Jesus that's your believe @@YourAlexander
@@floristfindspeacethe bible says the wicked don't know peace
Victim: "So if I don't give you my wallet you will shoot me, but I still have a choice?"
Robber: "No, you choose to be shot, I am offering you a way out"
Victim: "But you are saying that if I don't give you my wallet I deserve to get shot"
Robber: "No! You already deserve to be shot. I am offering you a way out by you giving me your wallet"
Victim: "That makes no sense! It is you who is deciding to shoot me if I don't do what you say"
Robber: "No, that's not it at all. The decision to shoot you has already been made. I am trying to save you from being shot by you giving me you wallet."
Victim: "So by robbing me, you are saving me?"
Robber: "Bingo! And you should be grateful."
Well done!
😂nice one!!
@@YourAlexander no, I'm saying that God is forcing me to worship him under a threat of eternal punishment and acting as if he's not doing that.
@@hamobuis God forcing you to bend your knees this very second to worship him?
@@Giwii-ojimin yes, if he is threatening me with hell if I don't comply.
It’s refreshing to have someone articulate the things I’ve always thought.
Praise and worship to the YT algorithm for bringing your channel to me.
Praise be!
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Getting demonetized and not recommended is the hellish threat that the algorithm lords over creators.
@@nasonguy even worldly computer-based algorithms set by heathens are more merciful than this god!
Then praise God! 😂 Without God you couldn't have these videos! The power to watch and listen to this lost sheep comes from God.
I deconstructed a long time ago without you, but the Navy absolutely had something to do with that. But I appreciate you so much! You turn my scrambled thoughts and ideas into sensible thoughts and ideas. Your voice is heard. I don't need you, but I absolutely enjoy you. Keep it coming, please.
At least that is a HONEST HEALTHY response! 😅
*Joshua 10.12-13* “On the day the Lord gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the Lord: 'Sun, *STAND STILL* over Gibeon, and you, moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.' So the _Sun_ *STOOD STILL,* and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies . . .The Sun *STOPPED* in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day."
*Qur'an 31:29* “Do you not see that Allah has subjected the sun and the moon, _each_ ORBITING for an appointed term, and that Allah is All-Aware of what you do?”
*Qur’an 36.38* “The _sun_ TRAVELS for its fixed term. That is the design of the Almighty, All-Knowing.”
*Qur'an 13:3* “It is He who spread the Earth…”
*Qur'an 15:19* “The Earth, we have spread it…”
*Qur'an 20:53* “Who has made for you the Earth as a bed...”
*Qur'an 43:10* “made the earth as a bed . . .”
*Qur'an 50:7* “The Earth, we spread it out . . .”
*Qur'an 51:48* “And we have spread out the Earth...”
*Qur'an 78:6* “Have we not made the Earth a bed?”
*Qur'an 79:30* “After that, He Spread the Earth.”
*Qur'an 3:151* “We will cast t____r into the hearts of those who *deny* the TRUTH”
@@briobarb8525 God/Jesus Christ doesn't need anything from finite man. Salvation, the gift of God, eternal life - to know him is given as a free gift to all who believe. It is offered and given in love because love is stronger than hate.
Essential topic. Believers make it seem as if God is unfulfilled, lacking, needy -- the equivalent of an isolated human (maybe an incel) making robots for companionship. Astounding. The truth is: HUMANS are unfulfilled, lacking, needy and have created a fictional character -- and not even an attractive one (a malignant narcissist).
Humans keep trying to put The Infinite Creator into a small box so they can control it, but that never works, except on other humans.
I really feel that makes no sense. No one is putting this God into a box. We are just asking why this so called perfect being created less perfect beings and demands that they worship him. That only shows he is not so perfect is claimed. Why does he need all this gloryfication if he is perfect?
The truth is that there is no God. The idea of a God was invented by humans along with this insane worship nonsense. @@KatMo7121
@@KatMo7121 lol, not really, god has been trying to put humans in a box and he's failed because he doesn't understand human nature. god does not exist but designing humans and then making rules that negate most of that design is dumb. in fact everything god does is dumb, from flooding the planet when he can just kill sinners by any means he wants to not putting fence around the apple tree - not to mention making a perfect garden that has an evil snake in it, how you folks miss that god is the most incompetent designer beats me.
@@KatMo7121 So there is any proof actual of this 'infinite creator'? It's o.k not to know the answers to absolutely everything.
As the child of a narcissistic parent, I can see that the biblical God is presented the same way. A good parent does not use coercion and manipulation to get validation from their children. My parent used threats and scare tactics to "keep me in line." That is not free will. That is NOT love. If God is truly Love, he wouldn't resort to using such tactics with his "children."
@@philyra2 But he is trying to save us from himself? Magnanimously trying to save us from a hell and conditions that he himself created, and he is leaving your eternal fate in the hands of believers. Now that's love. Not!
God's a seriously deluded, limited being, not even the Creator of the Universe. Not worth your time even worrying about. I hope you are well.
So true !
Same! For years now I've told people that the deity of the Bible is a celestial narcissist and dictator. Every time I've said it to a believer it stopped them in their tracks because they have just never thought of it that way before.
Also "he' would not have to use so many dirty tricks to make believers do what he wants. Also a truly loving God and great designer would have never made teeth so they grow back, especially when tooth problems cause bad health and even death.
You're absolutely right. Life is only a gift if it's a good life.
@@YourAlexander dude, let it go. don’t come into an atheist’s space and try to convert someone who intentionally left this belief. please understand how disrespectful that is.
@@YourAlexander your imaginary God does not deserve respect. You are brainwashed with nonsense, Alex.
@@YourAlexander In other words Jahwe needs both your praise and worship, and for you to zealously chase those lost sheep and bring them back into the herd.
@YourAlexander Sir, you have no idea what the truth is. You are one human living on one planet in one solar system in one Galaxy out of millions upon millions. You have no idea what the real truth is, you just like to think you do. Just like everyone else.
@@YourAlexander the person used to believe in your same god. they are taking the exact same god of the exact same bible, and exposing the truth. if you feel disrespected, that’s because this god is disrespectful. at the end of the day, the truth will never mind being questioned because it will always remain the truth.
Honestly the whole "I created you to serve and praise me" makes a lot of sense for human parents who are religious. There are so many passages where it says you should obey your parents and never speak bad about them. How you should honor and so on.
DAMN!
My religious mum created me coz she "wanted to have a more fulfilled life", and throughout her life she didn't even try to do anything remarkable, she made ME do those things so she could feel proud of my achievements, then shrunk me saying "I worked so hard to raise you" "you should be thankful" (and then pay me back) etc etc
Thanks, I didn't even ask to be created, and btw, you fed me clothed me, because u created all the needs in me, u knew I'd turn out to be a human, aka someone that needed food and clothing. Which part of my needs should have been a surprise to you?
@birdieculture-2 I always hate the "I fed and clothed you" , like you do not get credit for doing what you are legally required to do. It is legally a crime not to do that.
The reason given for honouring your parents is that "you may live long in the land". Having a culture that honours and cares for the elderly means that all of us have a better chance of a comfortable old age.
Incidentally, I have searched my Bible Bible, and have not found the words" I created you to serve and praise me" anywhere .
@ChrisSmith-xh9wb Yeah, that's another thing. Having kids just so they will take care of you in your old age, usually the women, is terrible. Girls and women are not valued in the Bible beyond s3x slaves, baby makers, and basically slaves. Abraham even loans his wife Sarah to Pharoah for riches. Like wth? Oh and let's not forget the child sacrifice. Like you could literally be killed as an offering.
someone demanding to be worshipped is the mark of a psychopath, no matter who they are.
True.
Or a narcissist.
True, but if that is who God is, then knowing that and saying that won't save you! 😂
@@nate666 If it's true, nothing will save you because he'd more readily lie to you about his supposed plan of salvation than actually save you. Given the stories about him, which seems more likely? Be honest!
@@nate666 Which is why it's a good thing that it's all mythology.
@@njhoepneryou saying it's a myth born thousands of years after the beginning! Then tell me this: What city do I live in and what's my address, phone and ssn? 🤔
I am SO glad you're back! It amazes me that I spent 40 years of my life believing it was all about praising this god...
I once wrote about this on my Facebook page. I pointed out that God holds us to standards and rules he doesn’t uphold himself and that he needs constant validation. I said I should give God my therapists phone number.
Xenophes agrees with you. He was mad at how the gods on Olympus acted so he started writing about how humans should only have one God who is kind and benevolent... somewhere along the way the Jews streamlined all their gods and settled on Yahweh... Crazy!
The idea of spending eternity worshipping someone/something sounds like hell to me.
Me too!
@@jezebelvibes What's so frustrating is that having these conversations I came to realize that my loved ones who hold on to Christianity with all their might absolutely *refuse* to use their brains, which they believe God gave them. It's like there is an invisible wall or force-field around their minds through or over which they won't even try to pass because, I guess, it terrifies them.
@@YourAlexander I don't want a crown, kingdom, and/or eternal praise.
@@Gnomelottethe scriptures say Judas went to his own place. You'll get the same
@@jezebelvibesI would rather do that than actually be lit up with fire! 🔥 Suppose worshipping God is like having great sex? Won't know until you get there and try it.
THIS one hits to the root of the issue
He displays symptoms of self-consciousness and low-self-esteem with an inferiority complex and fragile ego.
When you see the kingdom of God from hell the only thing you will desire is to get out and worship him! The problem in this world is that there are too many distractions and pleasures blocking our ability to comprehend worshipping the Creator. Take it all away and just leave the Creator and it will make perfect sense. We wouldn't be asking why worship God, but why not? 😄
@@nate666 Uhm, because the whole construct it is abusive if it's real, and not real if it's not real. Why not demand evidence when some grifter claims something?
You yourself would demand it in your own life-- if someone said, "you owe me a lot of money!", you would demand proof. If they could show you a contract you signed, notarized and witnessed, on video and all that, then you would have to admit you owed what they said.
If they had none of that stuff, you would laugh and tell them to kiss off. So where is the line when you stop asking for evidence?
Oddly enough, I never encountered these oddly puzzling conundrums about god's alleged nature until long after I deconverted, Kristi. In fact, I think the first time I heard this particular argument, that of, "why did a perfectly complete and self-sufficient deity need to create anything in the first place, if it was perfect and complete within itself?" until maybe 2 years ago? I think it was Pinecreek Doug, in fact. While I couldn't stand following him any longer because of his political views, he articulated this argument well. His "Flying Man" hypothetical and "Poof or Drown" hypothetical work really well with twisting theists into mental contortions.
You do a really good job of explaining it as well - a "perfectly self-sufficient, omniscient, omnipotent" deity can't possibly "need" us to worship. If it does, then it's automatically not that deity by any of the definitions we use.
I also can't find a Christian to answer this question: "How can an omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent deity, which can't abide the presence of sin, possibly create anything less than perfection? How can perfection create imperfection unless it's deliberate? But if it deliberately created something that it can't abide the presence of, whose fault is that? And why do we get screwed for eternity because it screwed up on purpose?"
You make a great point, and it's definitely something I've thought about- a perfect being who makes imperfect beings. It reminds me of when Christians say that Adam and Eve were "perfect" before they sinned. But how does a perfect person sin?! The mental gymnastics are exhausting!
Exactly,
I use the programmer's metaphor.
If you program a computer to occasionally say nasty things about you, do not be upset if it says random nasty things about you!
God programmed imperfection. So he has NO right to get upset when that imperfection shows up.
He designed it that way!
Along with that thought about programming was this realization for me:
NOah's Ark and the Flood are completely useless solutions to God's dilemma about people sinning.
Like that plan has a ZERO chance of working when you consider that God did NOTHING to alter the basic programming that runs in people's heads. the imperfection is STILL there, unchanged!
Why would he expect any other result other than the usual after the flood???
@@jezebelvibes
In the words of prophet John Legend, “all of me, loves all of you. All of your perfect imperfections“
Perhaps we’ve been too busy taking sides, all while none of us have gotten it right.
Perhaps this “God” or whichever name we prefer, is not interested or demanding our obedience and worship at all, but rather, that we might see the truth of what love actually is. Through all and in all. And in seeing that, it causes every one of us to gladly humble ourselves and fall to our metaphorical knees and enter into a place of serving and loving one another.
Even Jesus, “God“. Everyone of us.
No longer seeing love as a demand, but rather a promise, feels our hearts and souls with desire and freedom.
@@SilverShamrock82 I believe that you have the gist of what love means. FWIW, I also believe that all the religions were created by humans in order to separate humans from the original creator's unconditional love so that the promise of that love, along with the threat of punishment could be used to control humans.
@@SilverShamrock82 Nice words, but not what the Bible says. The Bible shows a loving god that is also hateful. If you accept the love in God, then you must also accept the hate in god. I can’t accept the contradiction, and conclude that god does not exist.
I have seen some christians claim that it's not that god needs worship, but that it's good for us to worship, which isn't just a nauseating claim, but an insane one.
It's just a rationalisation out of fear
@@leehun4044 Agreed.
This is probably the best lecture I’ve ever heard on this subject. The points Kristi makes are unarguably valid and can only be disputed by either overt or subtle threats to the person making these points. The answers are so obviously valid once the questions are asked that it’s a miracle that these religions are still around. In my opinion, the fact that so many people believe this so readily and, fail to question it as adults, speaks to the power that exists of suggestion combined with fear. It’s really witchy spell type stuff.
Thank you! My deconstruction process is long and complicated, but I feel the freedom more and more every day - freedom from the rules, the hypocrisy, the fake love, the brainless following of commands... I love the way you cut to the bone of the matter, and you're helping me think rationally and clearly. Thank you!
You nailed it with this one Kristi! Thank you!
Atheist now, but on my Mormon mission I had a chance to speak to someone who said that heaven would entirely be worshiping god, and the reason why god made us to fall and be redeemed from hell was so that we would worship him harder. I told him that if that was the actual god, I wouldn't want to worship a megalomaniac.
Mormon religion. That's a cult. It's good you got out of it it's not christianity
@@YourAlexander Prove it!
@@x00p3you prove to God why he should let you in heaven
@@Giwii-ojimin I don't believe in any god or gods.
@@YourAlexander Wearing a crown is pretty meaningless when everyone is busy giving god a good time all of the time for eternity. Judging angels becomes boring once it gets through to you that they don't have free will so they don't care about being judged and just commit the same offense over and over for eternity, they're the ultimate repeat offenders.
Belief is extinguished when insight is ignited.
The most harmful idea in Christianity is the condemnation of thoughts.
Thank you for your important videos.
Wow the comment section, Makes me know I am NOT alone 😅 thanks people and keep up the good work Kristi... People need to break free from the mind salvery of Christianity or any religion for that matter. By the way top notch thumbnail there hey 😂
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This concept(and God’s character in general), and reading the Bible, were the first things to lead me out
God from our perspective sucks, yes. But we haven't been inside his kingdom yet. It will be different there.😄
@@nate666 No, it will be a lack of consciousness. Maybe someday you’ll have the courage to face that reality
@@yourgodismean4526how did you die and find this out and come back? And how do you know when you were over there you saw everything? Explain.
@@nate666 Ditto
I was raised Southern Baptist also, and I left that lifestyle decades ago. But I do remember having these same thoughts about why God is this way. And I asked once but was told that god created us perfectly, but satan throws all these things into our ways and messes up god's perfect plan. Then I would ask "But god created satan, knowing he'd do these things to humans? They'd tell me "god works in mysterious ways." Circular logic ... It's a scam to control people. I enjoy your videos and your questioning mind.
Right? If god is mysterious such that we could never conclude he’s bad, they we don’t have enough information to conclude he’s good, either.
Its a big tax-free scam !!
You got my sub when you cought yourself and said “I don’t believe in God I’m speaking hypothetically” I have to remind myself of this as well when I go on an internal Rant about this subject …Thank you
Kristi has figured it out. 3 cheers for her
Yeah she built a spaceship and traveled the entire universe and beyond and knows it all. She even found a way to enter another dimension and there she found the Bible wasn't true. Maybe she will explain how she did it in the next video. Can't wait! 😂
@@nate666And yet you listen to preacher who has the equivalent ability to know these things and you blindly do whatever they tell you.
@@nate666 Suppose she did: what would she be looking for? How would she recognize it? How could she distinguish it from a fake?
Don't try to answer, you'll embarrass yourself even more. Just think about it for a while, then come back to it later and ask yourself if you can still convince yourself of it.
@@JaysonT1you got to believe someone! Believing in Kristi is like having sex without a condom. Believing in Christ is like having sex with a condom.
@@noracola5285so wait: the world let thousands of years pass without Kristi laying down the truth on TH-cam? You have to admit this world is pretty messed up then! Why would it take so long? Why would the world let Christ have first say before Kristi? 🤔
Hey Kristi, like you I consider myself an agnostic/atheist but even if this God character could prove without a doubt of his existence ,it wouldn't mean that I would instantly like or respect him based on what I have read of the bible!
I wish theists understood this. Just this morning I watched a video of a Christian arguing that atheist "don't want to believe in god" because even if we got proof of god's existence, we still wouldn't worship him. And I truly don't understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. Accepting something as real or factual, does not mean I want to partake in it. But of course, if this being who can pulverize me by just snapping his fingers showed up and told me I either go with him or burn in hell eternally, of course I'd choose his narcissistic ass because who wants to burn and suffer forever? Now, if you asked me, I'd like to just drift into blissful nothingness after my death, thanks.
I'm an agnostic maltheist.
If Jahwe exists he's evil.
(This Jesus person has some good points, though).
Let's not forget about the man who was after god's heart, "king david"
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@@YourAlexanderMark 14:51/52
God needs worship because if nobody worshipped him, he'd cease to exist.
And so do all the businesses that rely on that sweet sweet money from religious parties, such as marriage.
Yes god is big business, the ultimate in marketing/PR.
What simplistic nonsense!
That makes no sense !
He exists with or without your praise.
So if you go off to an island by yourself with no one else there.
Do you cease to exist ?
@@joelauretta4067 that would insinuate he exists in the first place
Thank you so much for creating this content. I was raised in a christian home and went to a christian school. I've always had a lot of questions and concerns about what the bible tells us. I've been up and down in my faith. God seems loving at times and almost evil at others. You are a very good speaker and present your understanding and arguments in a very logical way. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
Best thing i learned from my religion: calling God "our father". Best thing God did for me: allow me to become a parent, so i can see that a healthy parent-child relationship does not look anything like what Christianity teaches about God.
Well said. God does not love people the full way people want or need to be loved.
I'm of the belief that possibly the Gnostic beliefs were what Jesus preached... That he was there to fulfill the Covenant with a satan known as Yahweh, and while doing so had to obey all his rules, but left hints that he was brought here to bring people to a different god, one who loves like a father.
I don't actually believe these things literally. But I think that there was a healthy message for those who meeded supernatural explanations, and the Gnostics had it. When the church became Rome's religion, this idea was considered a form of heresy, and while there were texts that bear this out that didn't make it into the bible, parts of the Gospels allude to it.
You became a parent through sex. That is how this works. It doesn't matter if it is Xtianity or any other wackydoodle religion that does nothing besides keep a priest-class fed and keeps people stupid. Being a parent and developing a family isn't a given, and it takes work to succeed. But becoming a parent just takes sex and not much else. Having a family is a no brainer. Mammals do it all of the time. Rearing children is also a very mammalian kind of thing to do. Human beings are animals. And the priest class in every civilization has always said whatever it needed to say to suit itself. There are no more gods than there are muppets that run around and live among us. All religion and all faiths cling onto the supernatural and expect your submission. But for all of these claims about the supernatural, there are never any ghosts that show up on the debate stage so we can hear their side of the story.
Jesus Christ gave his life for us. What more can a parent do than lay down his life for his children?
@@ChrisSmith-xh9wb saving us from a problem he created by himself
A pastor once extolled to us that God wants to be worshiped. And desperately needs our love.
My reaction was.... oh... reaaaaaalllly....? wow... he thought he was talking up God to us.
He made God sounds like a desperate Pickme.
"Pick me... choose me... love me... or I'll torture you forever"
Lol yeah, but it's beyond that. He's a jealous God that wants his followers to murder people who worship other gods.
That's what pastors do, God doesn't need you to worship him, he is all powerful. Most pastors are weak, and see God as weak. Big. Mistake.
That's an interesting point. There were the Greek gods and Roman gods, and other gods all competing with each other. Yahweh was a minor war god, who wanted a piece of the action, to borrow a Star Trek reference, so he created his own religion through Abraham. This is why the Angels rebelled and a third of them fell to Earth, and mated with Earth women. Their offspring were washed away in Noah's flood.
I cannot thank you enough for posting these. Your thoughts are so in-line with thoughts and experiences I’ve had. Growing up around all of that “church stuff”, so many things didn’t make much sense. Watching your videos really helps me realize that I’m not crazy.
Please, please, please make your observation about coercion and god using hell as a weapon as a short, shareable clip. I know lots of people who NEED to hear that.
Keep up the great work!
@@YourAlexander haha…nah, I’m good. That ship sailed many years ago. And you know what? I’m doing just fine, thanks.
However, I do struggle with taking seriously those who bought into this religion stuff…hook, line & sinker.
I used to feel bad for you folks. But, after seeing how easily an easily manipulated man was able to manipulate most of you for his own personal gain, I no longer feel bad. It actually kinda pi$$es me off.
Save your thoughts and prayers.
@@YourAlexander
The insistence that a human sacrifice was successful is a sure sign that there is something fundamentally wrong with the ideas being put to you.
@YourAlexander
Seems a bit silly that an all powerful God needed to go through such theatrics when he could just as easily gone "Poof! You're saved!".
@@YourAlexander Yeah, he sacrificed himself to save all of us from.....himself! It's all so clear 😒😒
Thanks Kristi for your clear light you shine on this theological framework and really how nonsensical it is.
What makes my blood boil is reducing human beings to "flesh" ... like NO my body is my home, it's not some meaningless meat! Btw your vibes are amazing. 😍
Schrodinger's body, both a sacred perfect temple and worthless sinful flesh, but only until you open the deconstruction box and look inside.
@@YourAlexander Hey do me a favor. Say hello to the easter bunny and the tooth fairy for me. Tell them I wish them both well, and a bippity boppity boo from me to you.
@@YourAlexander nahh still sounds awful
@@stevenhuntley8706 it still sounds humiliating
@@YourAlexander and ? That doesn't make it meaningless meat.
Kristi, your videos have been helping me so much to not feel alone. I’ve been through religious trauma as well and I’ve been through the people closest to me treating me different because I have all these questions. Idk if you’ll see this but your presence on TH-cam has helped me so much. When I watch your videos I feel like you’re my online mentor. Keep making videos, never stop
Virtual hugs, fellow sojourner, through the internet.
Fantastic analysis. As a long time atheist, it was an argument along these lines years ago that helped me develop compassion for true believers. If one were to actually, really believe in such a petty, insecure being (who had even a fraction of the proposed power and knowledge discussed), what a terrifying, illogical mindscrew of a totalitarian regime daily existence must be.
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It’s so wonderful to see people leave religion for good reason. Humanity deserves better and I certainly enjoy seeing and learning other people’s journey as we make a better society without god.
God needs praise as it's existence is depending on it.
Given that god is made up, that's probably true; if people don't believe in that mythological character, it would cease to exist!
God is a Tulpa ?
@@patriklindholm7576 Astute observation..God needs us to exist, not the other way around. Or maybe God has an Instagram page, along with other Gods up in the heavenly realm. The winner is the one with the most likes and followers.
is he a vampire? seems so. he sucks and don‘t show himself in bright daylight.
@@YourAlexander How do you know this?
Kristi, when you speak of how the child is impacted by parents, you hit what disturbs me most about the concept of worship as it negatively affects us. It implies we are less than, we are tainted, we are undeserving and totally incapable of ever shedding ourselves of these flaws and limitations. Letting go of the need to worship, we are free to look at ourselves honestly and more likely to discover, develop, and appreciate our own strengths. So glad you addressed this, thanks.
Strong point when you mentioned those born into suffering and thats all they know. And they're supposed to praise God for it? Preach Kristi!!
Oh gee, a blind is guiding another blind.
Love the topic, Kristi. I’m a 70 year old who went to Catholic school, but I’ve been a non-believer since the age of 12. The nuns taught us that God was infinitely this, infinitely that. To say humans are to God as we are to an amoeba is to understate the infinity of difference there exists between us and the Christian God, but let’s start with that. If you could have an amoeba worship you, would you? Since we are infinitely less than an amoeba, why does God want our infinitely insignificant worship?😁
Yes I too was catholic
when I look back my Catholic classmates were pretty smart most did not believe in a god it’s funny as we got older about a 20% seem to attend mass. I think there must be comfort or crisis that brings some of us into the fold.
No longer desperate I just hope when time gets tough again I can just accept it as part of the crazy thing called life and not beg for help from a made up god.
I've always felt that even if there were some all-powerful creative force or being that set everything in motion way back at the beginning, that he, she or it would be far above the need or even the desire for worship.
Agreed! And if they did set it up way back then, wouldn't they have grown bored with us by now and moved on? Maybe to self-adoration 2.0?
@@northsongs Hell, I would think being immortal and eternal would get pretty boring all by itself. It's why the idea of an afterlife has never appealed to me, even if I spent it in a supposed "paradise."
And it definitely would have no need for a penis or male reproductive organs.
The idea that god is a man or a human just shows that he is a figment of a human imagination
My family always stated God is love- and love is just. In other words, the “love” of God is not the “touchy feely love” we often think of. It excuses all of his behavior, and- needless to say- gave me a very warped sense of “love” growing up. I knew something was wrong, but didn’t know exactly what until I was older.
Being raised in a Christian family made me have a pattern of wanting to please and serve everybody. They force you to worship God. And if God is God, why does he need our worship????? It's weird as fuck 😂😂😂😂😂 I believe in God, but in a God that loves to see us live and evolve in our own paths, not needing to worship "him". Being raised like that destroyed me in so many ways, but it was so freeing to question and to follow my own reasoning!!!! I USED TO BE SCARES OF EVEN QUESTIONING!!!!! Now I'm a psychology graduate!!!! I'm learning SCIENCE!!! I feel so happy to pursue what I always loved to do: QUESTION!!!!
I love your Channel!!! You're so necessary!!!! ❤
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What are your thoughts on jung?
@@bignoob1790 I know one thing or another about what Jung said, but lots of people say that It looks like I'm going to be Jungian 😅 I really like the idea of archetypes and symbols. As far as I know, he's very "spiritual" or something like that, isn't he? What are your thoughts on Jung? Haha
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I'm a Christian mystic, with a hermetic understanding of nature, so jungs archetypes, symbols, and shadow work I find wonderful if not divine.
You said it so well, thank you
Again, thank you so much for your channel which has been instrumental in my deconstructing journey. I don't think that you know how many people that you have helped. Keep up the GOOD WORK!
Thank you so much for the encouragement and support!
God does need your worship; without it, he won't even exist.
Gods are easy to kill.
The US killed one in WW2.
god won't admit that but you as a follower 🐑 and his mouth piece say's that but I would like God to admit that to me and anyone else who like to hear that
The God of the Bible is like that really unqualified CEO that took over a successful company and then proceeds to run it into the ground. All the while, DEMANDS your attendance at every and all meetings and is to be told how AMAZING he is at his job at all times. Then, when his decisions directly leads to more suffering and more losses, “fixes” it by laying off half of the work force and then eventually selling the company but not before stuffing his own pockets with a fat stacks of cash.
Dang that’s a pretty good analogy. Even the part where he threatens people with layoffs if they don’t keep their noses to the grindstone lest their names be blotted out of the spreadsheet with the “retained employee” list.
So Elon Musk really _does_ have a god complex! 😆
@@roc5291
Sounds pretty valentinian
It has been seen that those kind of leaders are psychopaths. So gord almighty is a psychopath …. Well reading the holly bible, he very well may be.
Apt anaolgy. Thanks.
God needs your praise so that He can show off to the other gods.
God aka El aka the Phallus is always seeing praise. He even claims to be the creator in Deuteronomy 32.18.
i had a neighbor who used to have a cat and i noticed one day i hadn't seen the cat in a while so i asked him where's his cat. he told me he realized his cat wasn't worshipping him so he threw him in the fireplace.
now if this story was true, you'd probably think my neighbor is a psychopath yes ????
Had me there in the first half that ish caught me off guard 😭🤣
That neighbor would also be stupid for expecting worship from a cat. He shoulda got a dog.
@@yzettasmith4194 so ur saying God shoulda just created a planet full of dogs ?
It always creeped me out when, during the “free will” discussion, people always act like God made the kind choice not to make us “puppets/robots” who are forced to worship because that wouldn’t be satisfying for HIM.
I would argue that if hell exists, it would be more benevolent of God to leave all of his creations in the “crude AI” stage of consciousness that way none of us would need to be cast into hell. Chat GPT has a “code of ethics” and I find it less creepy than most people. I find it nice that it won’t use slurs or hate speech.
As another metaphor, it feels like he made us all with terminal illness that requires a very specific antidote which is hidden under one of four red cups. He shuffles the cups and if you guess right, you get to take the antidote. And his reason? The feeling he gets when someone chooses the right cup is so much more exciting than if they were all given the antidote and didn’t have the “choice” to pick the wrong cup.
Wasn’t free will such a beautiful and kind thing that God gave us? 🙄
The freewill argument is a poor attempt at justify a perfect god creating an imperfect world or an all knowing god who doesn't know how to make a world without evil.
Here's why the freewill argument doesn't work.
If i choose to steal a car i could either successfully steal the car or not successfully steal it but whether im successful or not i can still freely choose to steal a car right?
And if the cops stop me they didn't thwart my choice to steal the car.
I still chose to steal the car, I'm just bad at stealing cars or they're really good at stopping me right?
So you don't want to make the mistake of conflating the free choice itself with the outcome of the choice.
I either fail or succeed or someone stops me stealing the car.
But i was still free to choose to steal the car no matter the outcome, it doesn't thwart my freewill.
So God could send the cops to stop me stealing a car every single time i tried and it would not violate my free choice to steal a car.
And God gets exactly what he wants, he gets agents that can choose good or choose evil but there's no evil because he doesn't let it happen and not letting it happen doesn't thwart anyones freewill.
@@YourAlexander you are confused, read bible
@Laughingpossum
I guess I view hell as a corrective action or a state of existence of self inflicted suffering until you figure it out.
Don't go by what I believe though, figure it out for yourself
@@YourAlexander One of the most vile and contradictory books ever written, because it has been constantly altered to best suit the needs of the controlling classes for centuries.
This book condones cruelty, slavery, rape, torture, infanticide, genocide completely inappropriate for children, go read the rest of it not just the flowery parts.
The questions you bring are brilliant. Breaking down the logic of the character of God is well done, and surprisingly so overlooked by a lot of people. Love your work, and you very thankful to see keep it up.
Thank you!
@@jezebelvibeswait, why are you saying thank you and accepting the very praise you question God for seeking? 😂
You see what she did? She said thank you and accepted your praise! Why? 😂
@@nate666 Because she actually did the thing she was thanked for and she didn't do it for praise but was grateful for it regardless. You're not too bright are you.
I love my dog. He's beautiful, and strong, and energetic, and affectionate.
If he suddenly had a voice, one day, and could speak, and then went on to tell me non-stop how wonderful I am, how meeciful and clever I am, how beautiful I am, I would go insane!
Overall, I like cats and dogs way better than _Homo sapiens sapiens._
I love wild raccoons. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty close to pretty much worshiping them. I have no problem with that. They get my money my time and use me for food and I don't care lol
@@user-l4y7r04wy6ivexcept for a few close family members, I also love animals more. Even though humans are basically just animals but still.. actually, some humans are more wild than some wild animals that I interact with.
@@Jerseyboondocks That's okay. Perhaps you're missing what I was attempting to convey.
But anyways, yeah, on another note altogether, the animals that we love certainly take up our time, attention, and money.
But we love them.
I'm definitely not worshipping them, though. You can maybe do that.
I ain't...
Also god used to really enjoy the smell of burning flesh. Somehow, humans burning flesh made god more pleased, so he wasn’t fully pleased before they did that.
God says he quit the smoking habit, but I bet sometimes he takes a whiff of hell for old times sake.
Why does he need a special altar to smell the smoke? I thought he was everywhere 😂 he can't smell what dudes are just cooking?
It's truly disturbing isn't it.
Then there's the eating of the flesh and drinking of the blood and they act as if its totally normal, send the kids up to have a chew.
So that was the reason for the inquisition - burn a lot if human flesh to please the kind and loving god …. 🙄
Thank you! I’ve been deconstructing for a month or two and this explanation of the god double standard helped a lot
I'm so glad it was helpful!
Welcome to the club!!
1:18 "...an allegedly all-loving deity..."
Exactly, Kristy! I deconstructed a year ago.
I was waiting in my mind for you to say 'all-loving' when you named the alleged characteristics of the biblical God.
And I realized, that at this word, my eyebrows mooved in the exact way as yours. 🤔😊 Because I can not see anymore, that the biblical God all-loving.
Thank you for this video!
And all the best to you.
I really missed this channel ❤😊
I've never had to be told to respect someone who deserves it, only people who don't and are relying on authority that only exists at my consent.
I asked my very religious family member this question: If your car runs out of gas, can you pray and god fills up your tank? She said " It doesn't work that way".
This family member recently quit her job, moved back to live with mom. When asked about a new job, she said she is awaiting a sign of god.
Her very religious parents aren't sure what to do. They have been praying for years now.
As the only atheist in the family, I suggested she speaks to a secular medical person. I was turned down immediately.
The entire purpose of all teachings on prayer is to make it conveniently untestable.
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I gave birth to my three children I would never ever want them to praise me and kiss my feet 😂
I would like my kids to love and respect me, but would never expect or demand it.
Exactly. I have a friend who is Christian and she has 2 kids herself. She teaches her kids to fear god. Well, I want my kids to respect me, but not fear me. Fear is abuse!
Just to let you know that I've your same way of thinking since I was 8 years old, but I'm free of religion since 18. I tried many religions and read the whole bible many times. Now I see it as myths. I took out all that burden, I'm free💙 Thank you for your Channel .
This is one of your greatest videos. It really hits home with what I went through.
The idea of a perfect god needing ANYTHING, much less praise from a mere created being never made any sense. Even as a kid it rubbed me the wrong way, like stroking an authoritaries ego. It's disgusting and nonsensical. If you put it into the perspective of other man made gods having human attributes, it fits perfectly. The idea of praising a god for a literal eternity is so revolting as to turn one's stomach. If ever there was a hell, that's it.
You didn't fully put it into perspective yet, iron age religion is terribly transactional and being worshiped is what makes something divine. How do you make an idol out of a statue? By worshiping the statue. Why shouldn't you worship foreign gods? Because it gives them more divinity instead of your people's god. Why do great peoples have powerful gods? Because a lot of people means a lot of worship.
What if hell and heaven are the same place O_O heaven for the people that want to be there and hell for the people that don’t want to be there. Checkmate lol jkjk
As a father I have NEVER once asked my 5 children to praise me for creating them. 😊
Yet they'll call you a sinner while praising god 🤔🫠
Preach Kristi, preach!!! 👏
I often find it ironic how christians constantly warn everyone about the devil wanting to take your soul, or that he wants you to ‘sell’ your soul to him.
When the biblical god is actually the one demanding you sell your soul to him, and then threatens the most unimaginable horror for a mind to comprehend if you DONT give your soul to him.
The biblical god is absolutely the worse of two devils in that theology.
I’ve always thought to myself that regardless if the entity/deity christians worship exists or not- it’s a devil they worship. Whether it be figuratively or literally.
If such a deity existed then I’d be more scared that heaven was just a trap no better than ‘hell’. Could you imagine being trapped with that monster for all of eternity?
after I stopped believing, someone asked if I'd worship god if I had proof it existed? Well, no, he's a monster and heaven is eternally worshiping this beast. How awful. I said I'd rather go to hell and try to start a revolution where we who can still value free will could take over and make it something good for us, not some egomaniac.
Satan is the god of the Bible, the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
@@areuaware6842 i do agree with you. The gnostics had the right idea back then when they called out the biblical god as Sakklas, the ignorant false god, or Yaldabaoth. Absolutely.
Also a lot of great and beautiful things have been labelled 'Satanic', harmless joy and pleasure that harms neither oneself or anyone else is healthy.
Imagine how frightening, sterile and boring these sad peoples idea of heaven would be.
I have yet to hear from any god directly telling me of their need for praise. Until then, I'm going to assume it isn't needed.
It isn't needed. The only true supreme being simply deserves it, bruh.😉
So many gospel songs talk about being so unworthy of his mercy.
So sad, isn't it? 😔
Songs and music are psychological methods of conditioning people to have strong emotional connections with whatever they're worshiping.
The ritualistic practice of repetition is all designed for a purpose.
All part of the brainwashing
Because we are unworthy.
@@Giwii-ojimin Why?
@@danielsmith2447because you're fallible created being. You came into being. The Creator didn't.
There's a fun book called Small Gods. In it, as the gods lose worshipers, they get weaker until they just blow away.
I'm sure that you and the activist Aron Ra is helping folks waking up! Some are hard to consider why? Keep up the good work!
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I tried praying in a demonic voice last Christmas! Didn't turn out very well for them, but for me, I laughed and laughed! I wouldn't have done it if my mother hadn't asked me to pray, knowing I didn't believe anymore!
We are the universe exploring ourselves through a human experience. We are the God we've been searching for all along.
No wonder He's so lost. Better use Google . . . *Joshua 10.12-13* “On the day the Lord gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the Lord: 'Sun, *STAND STILL* over Gibeon, and you, moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.' So the _Sun_ *STOOD STILL,* and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies . . .The Sun *STOPPED* in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day."
*Qur'an 31:29* “Do you not see that Allah has subjected the sun and the moon, _each_ ORBITING for an appointed term, and that Allah is All-Aware of what you do?”
*Qur’an 36.38* “The _sun_ TRAVELS for its fixed term. That is the design of the Almighty, All-Knowing.”
*Qur'an 13:3* “It is He who spread the Earth…”
*Qur'an 15:19* “The Earth, we have spread it…”
*Qur'an 20:53* “Who has made for you the Earth as a bed...”
*Qur'an 43:10* “made the earth as a bed . . .”
*Qur'an 50:7* “The Earth, we spread it out . . .”
*Qur'an 51:48* “And we have spread out the Earth...”
*Qur'an 78:6* “Have we not made the Earth a bed?”
*Qur'an 79:30* “After that, He Spread the Earth.”
*Qur'an 3:151* “We will cast t____r into the hearts of those who *deny* the TRUTH”
Yep
I'm not even sure yet what god is.
How very Allen Watts of you. Love it ✊🏽🔥
So... if that's your philosophy, what would be the purpose of that? Why?
“God also needs our money even though he is all powerful etc “…. to quote George Callan.
That’s the real problem with Christianity, Judaism, Islam…they all have a central God authority that demands worship.
I’m a recovering ex-Mormon, who originally felt that it must just be a different sect of Christianity that I need to find for something to click, to give me the guidance I need in my life.
Would you be surprised if I told you Alan Watts sent me toward Eastern Philosophy, and that’s clicking a hell of a lot more, because almost none of it has some central God/Authroity outside of the Universe itself, and it isn’t demanding worship or fear, it’s actively seeking out its own curiosity through all.
Loving the content 👍🏻
Not surprising at all. After I left Christianity, I found Buddhist meditation and yoga, which helped me mature. (I'm not Buddhist or Hindu though). Meditation and yoga prepared me for weed, and weed prepared me for psychedelics. Altered states of consciousness taught me more about my own mind than anything else.
I almost left christisnity myself. Buddhism is what I was going to try next. But God spoke to me. I understand now that transcendental mediation is a work of Satan. It's of the devil. It's a doorway into demonization.
Please don't speak for Islam, when you know nothing about Islam.
@@CryptoBill777 German man and Chinese woman did meditation and yoga all were temporary and nothing gave them peace at heart. Until they found Islam. So read the Quran, your heart will be at peace, 110 percent guaranteed.
Not one bit. I embrace Buddhism.
The whole concept of Christianity has troubled me all my life. I was raised Catholic and was traumatized by my Catholic parents, nuns and priests. And then became a Christian fundamentalist and was told by minsters I need to "die to self" and I was in "rebellion" - looking for answers to my questions and my depression. I'm 70 yrs old now and still struggle. Why??
Sounds like you never learned to think for yourself.
You're not alone though.
Some people are leaders in their particular skill set because they find what works.
It's simple really. We all need to find what works in our own lives just like this lady did.
There are no answers in religion, religion takes your precious attention away from the here-and-now and focuses it on an illusory afterlife instead. Welcome the years you still have and enjoy the world to the fullest extent you can because it's the only world we have, and find solace in the certainty that there is no heaven or hell but just an eternal dreamless sleep. Visit places of well being and beauty, no matter if it's family, nature, a museum, or a concert hall, and try to extract joy from every experience like a hummingbird extracts nectar from a flower. LIVE
Trauma does that to the human mind----keeps one off-balance for life. I hope you find peace. It's ALL delusion.
Hello Jim, I am a Christian. I’m not quite sure how I ended up here, in this sphere of TH-cam, but I would like to help if I can. I am sorry for your troubles, and the weight of your past experiences, and your current depression. The best part of Christianity is that God is the God of peace. He restores what is broken, and uplifts the lost, and is with the poor in spirit. Here is Christianity: Jesus Christ was God and is God. He came down to Earth and lived the perfect life, and revealed who He was to humanity. He was killed, but 3 days later, he rose from the dead. He did all of this-coming down to Earth, dying, and coming back-so that we might know Him. People are born in sin. Due to this sinful nature of moral decay, we cannot know God. God is perfect and righteous. Our sin removes us from Him. But Jesus died on the cross a sinners death, so that we might be restored. If you repent and believe in these things, then you are saved. Saved from an afterlife forever removed from God. And if you are saved, you can walk with God, and enjoy his joy and peace.
The phrase “die to self” means to follow God. When you are saved, your past self dies, and you are made new. You have the Holy Spirit, which is the presence of God, within you. But, your sin can still distance you from God (you are still saved; but, you can wander from God). “Dying to self” means don’t wander from God. Put away the things that draw you away.
Seek God, and you will find Him, and life in abundance.
I am 64 and in the same boat as you. I struggle only now in terms of catching up with life’s many self-deceptions. I want eternity only because I fear death. But to really grab hold of the knowledge that there will be nothing else I feel is a worthwhile pursuit. even though it’s against our upbringing.
When my very religious father passed away 9 years ago I kissed his forehead and said goodbye. that experience of him passing really convinced me that he did not go anywhere.
Life is finite.
Me secretly watching your channel for a year now and if my people found me here they’ll say I’m anti-Christ or a devil worshipper but honestly, I’m just happy I was not crazy all those many years ago when I was a teenager and I had exactly the same questions and “revelations” but was made to feel guilty because that’s “questioning” God’s authority🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹
❤️❤️ you're not alone. I hope you can live your most authentic life, surrounded by people you don't have to hide from
So glad this video showed up in my algorithm- awesome thoughts! Thank you for sharing :)
being alive isn't a gift like so many people say. it's a burden. i didn't know what suffering was before i was born. everything was "perfect" before i was born !
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Honestly true
But let's make the best of it there's some good things let's just do that while minimizing the bad 🥲
@@abiliv-lf9tzyeah
Minimise the bad otherwise you are going to hell
Not my wordsw
This is exactly why I refuse to bring children into this world.
This comment illustrates what I said up above. That atheists have the highest suicide rate in the world yet claim intelligence.
Revelation 4:11 You are worthy, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
and by your will they were created
and have their being.”