THIS WAS SOOO GOOOOD! Kristi’s questions are SO clear, concise and well thought out! The caller was pretty reasonable, which is not a common character trait..
You are killing it Sister. Your clarity is divine. You're doing the work. You make it make sense to embrace the Love of Humanity versus the fear of god.
@@Amazing_Mark I don't think so. One was questioning while the other answering. They were performing different roles. Her guest had a little bit of knowledge and actually did address some of her questions and misconceptions.
Having been raised Southern Baptist and still working my way (sixty years later) to understanding the world and our place in it, I saw the indoctrination first-hand. One of the strongest signs of an indoctrinated belief system is the use of repeated phrases such as 'we all fall short', 'you just have to have faith', 'god works in mysterious ways', 'it's not your place to question god', etc. In most discussions with christians, it is evident that they fall back on these phrases consistently when questioned about their belief. I have no problem with people being christians. To each their own. But the deep-seated 'superiority' of christians... i don't have time for that.
Hello Courtney, if you’re looking for any of the responses to objections brought forth I have made a couple of playlists that goes through the same line of questions atheists always bring up including those brought up today such as Why your God over the millions of others Evidence for your God What is required for salvation What about those who have been placed in other religions Basically God is truth, in his truth he is constantly calling out to everyone to accept him, God has given us a mind that can deduce what is true and what is false, when one is truly looking for truth God reveals himself to us through Christ by the guidance of our consciousness, as I said previously atheists have around the same objections which can be narrowed down to 20 subcategories, which is why I made these playlists however when given these playlists that answers all of the objections atheist have they still reject God, why? Simple, no amount of evidence or responses given can lead someone to accept God, it’s not a head problem it’s a heart problem, when and if a person is truly ready to accept Christ they will, otherwise they will only move the goal post and come up with a different objection to reject God even if you answer 99 of their objections they will always have one more. God bless th-cam.com/play/PLNyEZkCMFMV8auYoTG1zB5qiXWLpAuIUM.html
@@japexican007 A million playlists will never qualify as demonstrable evidence for invisible beings, if one would still believe after watching this video, they are choosing to live by willful ignorance.
I'm very happy that I subscribed to your channel. You converse with your callers with such kindness and respect, while at the same time expressing your views with real clarity and common sense.
“You really battle this stuff, don’t you?” I cannot tell you how many times I have heard this while thinking critically about the Bible and religion. 🙄🙄🙄
The Reason Why, there are so many " religions " is because JESUS prayed , " Let ( My Believers ) be ONE , as You & I are One , Father " ( In Unity of Belief ) So, the existence of Non - Christian Religions, Cults, etc , is simply Satan's attempt, to Divide Christians , ( Away , from GOD's " Rightly Divided " Word , ) Satan's Plan, is to " Divide, and Conquer " . So then , here's Another MYTH , BUSTED , by GOD's Grace, & God's Bible Myth Buster , Brother Jim . May GOD Bless , ALL , as YOU , decide to ( Scripture ) " Come out from among them , & Be Separate , ( to God's Rightly Divided Word , ) & I ( The Lord , ) will accept You " Amen ! You , Friend, can Decide this , Today !
Hello Kristi, I’ve been watching a lot of your videos and I want to thank you for sharing your story. Thank you for promoting critical thinking and true self love. I would really like for you to discuss the story of job and how disturbing it truly is. That story is so impactful to me because when I first heard it, it was so obvious to me that god shouldn’t have let satan cruelly tear apart this man’s life just to prove that he would still worship him. God is all knowing and should’ve known that job would still worship him regardless. I just wish more christians would understand what they are reading.
@stryker1195 There was no concept of heaven at that time. Life was here and now, and when you died, you went to Sheol. Heaven came later, after the Jews got exposed to Zoroastrianism and the Greek philosophers. Job is about making sense of the cruel randomness of life in spite of there being an all powerful god. Both are true, but God can do what he wants, so shut up. The Bible is not a magical book that all fits together coherently, but if you believe that it is, you will find ways to make it do that. It's motivated reasoning.
I always say to Christians “I was so relieved when I realized I don’t have to believe anything to be safe with God” (I’m a theistic agnostic). It really upsets them and causes huge cognitive dissonance because my version of God is more benevolent and reasonable than theirs.
If you're an agnostic theist that means you don't know anything about your god other than that it exists. So how is it that you know that your god is more benevolent than theirs? To be an agnostic theist would mean that you could make no determinations about its benevolence one way or the other. Your god could be 13 Mecha-Hitlers rolled into one that likes to wait for people to die before it whisks our consciousness off to some unknown dimension to torment all of us for eternity and you'd have no way of knowing. The ability to contrast qualities beyond the simple binary of exists/does not exist means you know things about your god. Which makes you a gnostic theist.
@@A-non-theist personal experience counts for me, but isn’t proof. I’m a pragmatist. My experience is that I’m conscious and that’s mysterious, my experience is that I’ve had mystically attained knowledge about others I couldn’t have otherwise known my experience is that spirituality has a potent influence in my life my experience is that I’ve had an entity with a different mind than mine share my seat of consciousness in my body while on ayahuasca (1/10 do not recommend lol). I don’t expect any of this to be compelling to anyone else, nor do I care if someone believes in divinity. It does work quite well for me at times to believe what I do, so I’m sometimes tempted to proselytize or whatever… but I make efforts not to. I really appreciate atheism and deconstruction, I just find enrichment in knowing this world as a spiritual construct birthed from consciousness. That worldview aligns more with my experience than materialism.
@@A-non-theist I think deism implies that God is inaccessible, silent, uninvolved. I don’t even know what God is but sometimes I experience deep unconditional/personal love as both coming from outside me and being my essential nature… that divinity seems to be interactive and therefore not simply deistic.
Kristi. Your deconstruction videos are great and serve a vital purpose, but I LOVE back and forth conversations where both people are articulate and respectful of each other, so kudos to both you and your caller! If possible, more of these would be good!
Great conversation here 😊 I'm definitely a natural born critical thinker and I don't find it hard to question Christianity or deconstruct a "faith" that I've been told my whole life is worth banking on without supplying 100 percent sufficient evidence. I grew up in a family that believes if I lose my faith in Jesus, I'll not go to Heaven. I don't believe a loving God would send people to Hell just because they didn't follow a man made religion on earth.
Wow, I wish I had your ability to discuss religion instead of argue. You have a unique way about yourself, you are not demeaning or argumentative, you are very informed and intelligent and kind, you simply ask questions and get people to “try” to think rationally. Keep these videos coming I’m already a huge fan.
This conversation is so frustrating but it's one that needs to happen probably a few billion times over. It's so hard to get out of that circular logic of your religion
Well done. You did an excellent job of keeping the discussion on track while allowing some organic shifting of focus, and you were equally adept at asking piercing questions that highlighted issues with your interlocutor's statements without being too threatening or off putting. While she took advantage of you not pressing too hard and used this space to avoid answering numerous questions, the sheer inability to respond directly to issues raised was an effective "rebuttal" in its own right. It's hard to balance all of those things in a live conversation, so kudos to you for doing all of that. 🙂
You are as well, but we don't see things the same either 😅. It's good you question, I do as well, as we all should. Maybe it's how you define evidence? All the best till next time.
In my case, the abilities of reasoning and deduction to drove me to God and at one point He took over and revealed MUCH to me about HIMSELF, about life in this plane, about spiritual realities, about living in enemy territory (spiritually), about being in this world but not belonging to it and being persecuted because of it. "Call unto me and l will show you things that you know not". We must ask for humility so we can receive for God resists the proud.
Great discussion! Mutual respect and understanding between people that disagree about things is refreshing and becoming increasingly rare these days. Or at least that is my impression. And great questions, from both of you too. For myself, growing up in a very biblical religious upbringing, once I started really studying salvation and how to teach it to others is when it all started falling apart. There are many beliefs of course, and as you point out that is something that we just take for granted but really makes no sense if a god wanted everyone to be saved. If belief is central to salvation, why make it so hard and convoluted? Obviously free will is essential in the equation, and the central justification for most Christian arguments about why things are the way they are. But even given that, it all seems like a roll of the dice or Russian roulette. Even taking free will into account, how much does it depend on where you are born, when you are born, to who you are born, and then countless other factors after you are born? The more I learned about everything the more and more the evidence seems to point to humanity making gods rather than gods making humanity. There are many many reasons that I no longer believe in the god of the bible, but respect all who do believe who at least try to live up to the better of it's teachings. I still quote "Be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger." almost daily. Usually to myself xD Trust me, I know the typical counters to most questions against faith from a Christian pov, and probably have better ones than most that I have used to justify all belief when I was a Christian myself. lol But anyone reading that thinks they have a definitive answer to this line of questioning feel free to respond, I still am open to and like to hear all pov's.
nonsense since Kristi is using all the atheist talking points and schemes to deconvert her. "Just admit that you don't know" is followed by "You cant know" and in the meantime I admitted to GOD that I know nothing and HE gave me HIS wisdom and now I know everything and I can answer every one of these insidious questions/babble.
@@unknownx7252 she wont enter into a dialogue with me. Every point she makes I will crush it instantly and she knows that. she doesnt want truth... she wants justification for her preferred ideology.
I found the other person very often didn't answer the question that was asked, but focused on some other point that was a lead up to the question. This seems quiet common in these discussions.
My Father was a minister of the church. I once asked him what God would do regarding the millions of people around the world who had never heard of Jesus, as surely it would be unfair to judge them based on whether they believed something which they'd never even heard of. He answered that God was fair and would probably judge them based on their morality. God's not going to send people to hell that not only had no chance to be saved, but lived their entire lives not even thinking it was an issue. So, if God IS fair, what was the point of Jesus coming at all?
From Trent Horn from Catholic Answers: "One that I like is what would be called the satisfaction theory, and that is that Christ’s death on the cross is not a punishment as if he were a bad person, but it is a sacrifice and a reflection of him as a good person. And the fact is, he did not HAVE to be crucified. Instead, Christ wanted to offer himself to the Father as the ultimate and perfect sacrifice of love to demonstrate his love for humanity and desire for the sins of humanity to be forgiven. So what we would say, then, is that rather than Jesus being punished with all of our sins and that’s why our sins go away, rather we would say that Jesus’s death on the cross is so good, it’s so meritorious, it’s of infinite value, because Jesus is God and man-he’s divine, so what he offers the Father in that act is of infinite value, because he’s divine-that it outweighs the harm caused by our sins. It outweighs the damage, the punishment due. It’s like, you know, imagine balancing the scales of justice, that when you have our sins put the scales one way, Christ’s sacrifice punches the scales infinitely in the other direction."
I was reading about near death experiences in India. The experiencers described things from their religion and culture. If Christianity was the one true religion, wouldn't they be seeing Christ?
That's what I would expect. It certainly is peculiar that your culture and religious environment often determines what you see in near death experiences.
@@jezebelvibesYou do realize that none other religions have seen their gods like that, right? You see that Jesus himself is always coming to people from different faiths and backgrounds in dreams and revelations but you don't hear about the power from the other religions gods?
Why? Why would they see Christ? He isn't their savior. So why would they see him upon death? How does them not seeing him negate Christianity? How should we take these accounts? I recently heard about a few nde from people close to me. They were eerily similar. How should that impact someone's faith? How should that be weighed?
I have the same thoughts, but are far less articulate then you!! I always have brain farts and stumble a bit in face To face convos. Thank you for your videos! They are healing for me. I believe come from a similar Christian background as you. I appreciate what you are doing and I’m taking notes ❤
I found it very frustrating that at first it seemed like she wasn't answering the question that you asked. Bringing up that it's about faith, and not about proof or whatever is not addressing the point of the question you asked. I always say that, for the sake of argument, let's say I am not smart enough, or "spiritual" enough, or "open minded" enough, or emotionally attuned enough, or *whatever* enough to "get it", to be convinced by it. I am doing the best I can with what I have as limited and flawed as it is. I can't choose to believe something I find unconvincing, even if I am wrong about it due to flaws and shortcomings I may have. Under Christianity (and any other religion that requires belief in order to avoid some kind of punishment), I would be damned, but not for lack of trying. What kind of justice is that?
And to clarify, I don't necessarily think she was intentionally dodging the question; maybe its just that, as is true of us all at times, her existing paradigm affected her perception of the question such that the point of it wasn't registering.
@Carl_Frank I was getting frustrated at her dodging the question too, like a bait and switch. It all came down to "Well it depends on the person." I hate that you can hear how passionate she is about her religion that had a huge impact on her recovery from things in her life, but that alone - while heartbreaking, doesn't add anything to the argument of God's existence and morality. I was getting irritated with her pausing and sighing at almost every question, as if she's been asked it 100 times and is sick of defending it. That alone should be telling enough
@@MelissaMayhem99The correct answer was that it's not fair. But the caller couldn't say that because she'd be saying something negative about her deity.
You are amazing kristi you are a very good debating all religions say the same thing our religion is right and the only true religion love you're channel you are a good person religion is based on faith thin faith no evidence
@@elitedrumlessons6174 the religion is worthless have you any proof of jesus saying that Muhammad could have said something similar but without any evidence we can't proof of religion or god(s) are true
There's a book called "Those Curious New Cults" that goes through all the mayor religions and cults and compares them to Christianity. It shows in many ways how Christianity is CLEARLY different from all others and why it is TRUE.
To Jesus, being spiritual implied action - love your neighbor the same way you love yourself. If you love him/her, then you want to do good to them, that's action. Simple "belief" is mostly meaningless. How many Evangelicals "belief" in Jesus, without practicing any of his teachings? He told us not to judge others, and yet, here they are judging gays, judging trans, judging democrats... Do they love their enemies? It sure doesn't look like it, and yet they "believe". So what???
Christians have a saying, hate the sin, but love the sinners. It's not how Christianity is suppose to operate, but it doesn't mean, they accept this lifestyle, and want to have it affect their way of living, for themselves, and their children.
Junior said be a EUNUCH who does that., Give away all that you own Oh junior going to be in on YWH Genocide 2.0 What LOVE. This BOOK, Junior YHW are MADE UP MONSTERS
When I read the Old Testament I can’t believe it came out of the mind of an benevolent being that is fair and just and loving on how many innocent women and children was slaughtered because he is an angry and vengeful God and this God is also the Jesus of the New Testament that everyone says he forgiven and kind that is an contradiction they don’t add up.
I had gotten to the point of not believing in the old testament "God " , and only believing in Jesus . The contradictions of the old and new testament of God , vengeful or loving . This had caused my crisis of faith . So , I do understand what you were saying .
I am an atheist. In this debate, I think the Christian held her cool because a lot of Christians would be angry and would get torn up on the inside when it comes to a conversation about faith, they would have cursed and claimed that the atheist would be on the road to the fiery furnace.
The Christian explained her position in a very articulate and polite manner. I am sure that is because she was given a respectful conversation from an atheist which is rare for an atheist to be able to offer. For example you generalized all Christians as people who will condemn people to hell if they don't agree with the Christian. But I have seen quite the opposite. What I find is that most Christians are very polite and sympathetic to non Christians and will offer blessings like "I will pray for you" as opposed to saying "you are going to hell". The typical atheist response is something antagonistic such as "Ok pray to the invisible sky daddy". Atheists are quick to resort to being disrespectful because they don't hold themselves accountable to the morals and ethics that were originally defined within the various religious writings.
@@Samael580 Yes apologists are just as obstinate as atheists. Both groups of people are not willing to consider anything outside of their respective opinions. I assume that is the point you were trying to make since you are the only one talking about apologists. But you fail to understand that the term "apologists" is a relatively modern term and can be applied to the Christian and the atheist equally.
@@ObjectiveEthicsI offer Christians respectable back and forths all the time and still get the “you’re going to burn in hell” response when the conversation starts going against them. Or they’ll just start lying and straw manning
@@SPL0869 I assume that you expect me to take your personal testimony to these claims of your conversations with aleged Christians as a fact. But I also assume that you reject these same Christians personal testimony based on lack of verifiable evidence. Can you offer me proof of your conversations with every Christian? I can also reason by your own comment that your claim that infers every Christian you have ever "tried to engage in a respectful back and forth always results in them being liars and presenting straw man arguments" is evidence that you likely were not actually offering them the respectful conversation that you assert you were. How do you know they were lying? What evidence did you present to them that proved they were actually lying? Did that happen every time? I am not a Christian and yet I am able to engage in respectful conversations about theology with Christians on a regular basis. I have not had any Christians tell me that I am damned to hell. Perhaps that is because I did not disrespect them by calling them liars or regurgitating irrelevant phrases like "straw man". The intelligent debater would use the proper terminology for deflection or avoidance of a direct question but an apologist atheist would hide behind emotional slurs like straw man, sky daddy, liar etc etc etc.
@@ObjectiveEthics Erm, how do we know, they were real, true Christians - if they did not fulfil, John 14:13, however? Just saying - you guys, can be all over the place, historically, and today. And plenty of evangelists default to saying many have earned hell, if they do not listen, or repent. To be de-jeopardized...
"You can find similarities among the most widespread religions." Well, duh? With the history that they share together and the fact that the religious scholars did read the books of their neighbours it's hardly surprising that there was cross-polination even if we discount those that started as splinter sects of the original religion.
I feel like this is one of the more interesting of these types of conversations. The guest here seems like she represents the group that enters the church looking for a better life after experiencing hard ship, and I feel for her. That makes for a particularly difficult circumstance; is it worth questioning anything about the faith? Internally I'm sure that's probably what she's going through. Tearing apart the logic of something she put faith in as an escape from something would be soul crushing. And I'd argue it almost feels like she concedes to your argument here, but not in a way where she truly deconstructs. It seemed like she came around that trusting on faith alone and no logic when there are tens of thousands of other choices is kinda insane, but her experience with it has her still locked in regardless. Definitely was an interesting conversation.
Religious belief depends on your place of birth and religion cultivated by your parents in over 99% of cases. Since child's mind is very moldable at young age and then gradually soldifies, our religious beliefs are essentially engraved into our minds and it takes really a lot to change them. So knowing that religious belief is completely flawed and unreliable way to know what's right and wrong and that majority of people in the world turn to wrong religion, it is one of the last things an omnipotent and all-loving god would praise and value.
Oh, yes! evidence of Christianity, our sect Christian God who is still said to be the only and only truth was hiding child sex abuse within the group for 50 years. My critical thinking (GUT) was able to grasp, Bible God doesn’t actually care innocent children being molested by any Bible holding or say learning people! If there is anyone or anything called Supernatural Being, just save the children instantly with your magic finger, if you’re watching it, knowing you’re a LOVE and have almighty power, should be the sensible thinking! But this or any God seems to prefer to be silent or gone whenever children are screaming for help! What are you going to say if asked by your God believer child, “why didn’t God protect me from being raped?” Are you going to say “your FAITH was not enough!”
That’s hilarious. And typical of the brainwashed. Blind faith is required, and yet they claim it based on logic and reason. It’s the root of hypocrisy.
9:04 "if you historically study your long term ones" I like your pushback here about an indigenous religion that the rest of us may not have access to that might be the one true religion. I've always thought the idea that an appeal to longevity or popularity is such a weak argument. If Christianity is true, it is just as true today with over a billion followers as it was all those years ago with only 12. I've also always thought it funny how often they claim Satan or demons are involved in the rise and popularity of certain things. What if all these long term religions are actually the seeds planted by Satan and the one true religion has been lost to time? What if God lost the battle of our minds and all humans have been corrupted into either doubt or belief in a false religion? They're always so arrogant as to think they could never fall victim to a false religion themselves.
IF any god were real, it would be obviously evident, and we would not need belief or faith, nor would we need other humans to speak on behalf of that god.
"it would be obviously evident," Noe necessarily. It might just have started off an experiment and be curious as to how it goes, without interfering. There is no reason to suppose that a god, or gods, wanted to be known, let alone worshipped (a concept that makes no sense), or that it or they would be benevolent.
The credit card sized manuscript you speak of is p52. The significance of this manuscript is that it is the earliest Greek manuscript that we have, dated typically from around 150 ce. Next, manuscripts of the rest of the new testament begin circa 200.
Kristy asked the right questions but the Christian couldn't or wouldn't answer her questions. The christian also engaged in the well known "not a true scottsman" fallacy. Kristi did call her out.
many religions don't have the concept of an eternal afterlife, and those ones allow people to get on with the business of existing in the world we know, and i like those ones a lot more than the others
First of all, I think they (i.e. those who promote belief in fairy-tales) need to prove that we actually have a 'soul'... (i.e. the 'eternal soul' of the fairy-tales...)
@@jezebelvibes I thought the definitive test was, those who have rhythm have soul. Those that don't ... probably should warn people before they try to dance.
@@tercerocastero Well... I can't dance, especially since I smashed my left foot in a motorcycle accident some years ago... BUT I DO play guitar and sing, so I know I have rhythm. The point I'm trying to make is 'having soul' in the musical sense (or even in the compassionate, emotional sense!) is one thing... and having A soul, or, more specifically, an ETERNAL soul, is something else entirely! Another viewpoint is that we do not HAVE souls, but in fact we ARE souls... (and we still often use the word in this manner...) But since we are not eternal, there is no reason to assume that the 'soul' is either. Unless, of course, you believe in reincarnation... which is a whole 'nother ball-game! And, as far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out on that question too. My advice is to "have a nice life... it's the ONLY ONE you can actually be CERTAIN of!" ☺
@@theseustoo Sorry to hear about your foot. I have two good ones but can't dance either >.< I was just being cheeky with my post, I have a very sarcastic sense of humor which I know by now should only be used in person (if at all) but I still post using it even knowing I shouldn't lol But I still very much appreciate your response. Since I grew up as Christian I always took for granted I had an eternal soul, and once I left the faith just assumed it doesn't exist apart from whatever we are as this brain and body. There certainly is no proof I know of that anything of us remains after death but like you I find the belief in reincarnation a pretty fascinating concept. Obviously I don't have a clue as to the nature of existence either but am open to believe everything is cyclical perhaps. Whether just for matter and energy as pertains to the universe, or perhaps all parts of nature like we see on earth. Well those thoughts will lead me down a huge rabbit hole on an already TLDR though, which I'm prone to do lol, but either way, thanks for the advice at the end, definitely true and worth sharing with everyone. xD
@@tercerocastero Oh, I didn't take offence to your post. I laughed, too, because I saw it for the joke it was. (I'm not entirely without a sense of humour!) Personally, I don't really think anything of our 'personalities' survives after death... and believe it or not, even many gurus from both Hinduism and Buddhism actually believe that, whatever actually survives death is NOT the personality but merely a kind of universal 'soul-substance', which has absolutely nothing to do with any 'personality' or 'psyche', which latter two words is how we westerners usually conceive of the 'soul'. I don't personally actually believe in reincarnation, but I'm prepared to be open to the possibility, even though I can see no actual 'mechanism' by which it might operate... unless there is some truth to the Hindu/Buddhist speculations about 'soul-substance'. But there's no real proof of this either, though there are some intriguing stories, like, for example, those tales about how the 'new' Dalai Lama is chosen after the 'old' one dies... Intriguing, but hardly proof. I'd agree that just about everything in nature does suggest that virtually everything is 'cyclical'... and that this in itself does suggest some kind of cycle of 'death and rebirth'... and this is probably where ALL religions had their origins! But again, suggestion is not proof. I'm glad you appreciate the advice I've given. I often add, "Be nice and kind to each other" too, because that's the best way to ensure that the one life we can be sure of is likely to be a good one... But tbh, there's no guarantee in that either! (And I'm equally guilty of having written far too many 'TLDR'-type posts, too! So you've no need to apologize for that!) Nice chatting with you! Have a nice day! ☺
Judge(let’s say God) : Believers, sorry no logical,critical, rational thinking in MY court. No need concrete evidence😂Never point out contradictions and inconsistencies😅
Her killer argument seems to be that Jesus died for her sins, and that is something only Christianity offers. The innocent dying in place of the guilty, willing or otherwise, is in fact very common historically in religion. It's called human sacrifice. The druids practised it and so did the Aztecs, but that isn't a reason to accept those religions, but rather to reject them. Yahweh forbade it in the Old Testament, when he told Abraham not to ritually murder his son Isaac, which Abraham was perfectly willing to do because he had faith, but kill an animal instead.
Sorry but throwing a child in a hot oven and burning it to death for Molech and cutting off innocent people’s heads and rolling it down a temple stairway is not the same as Jesus purposely laying down his life sacrificially.
I personally have a problem with any innocent living human or animal bird what ever being killed for someone guilty of whatever say a killer rapist etc. and you get a free pass with NO accountability. Sure is convenient for the child molesters in the so called church. I have a Christian friend who lies and say God forgive me then lies on and on and on.
You'd think that if Christianity was the "right" religion, there wouldn't be over 200 denominations in the United States and 45,000 DIFFERENT denominations globally of just Christianity!
@@elitedrumlessons6174 when the stakes are as high as eternal hellfire or heaven, and the path as narrow as is the "godly way" where one wrong can erase all good ever done, any difference is detrimental. The average number of pages in the bible is 1,200-1,500 5% of 1,200 is 60 pages, which ones are different? Teachings of the church can be numbered in the thousands of lessons, which ones are different? Other religions also have more than one denomination, the average is 2 (Islam) to 4 (Judaism and Hinduism) I think my main issue, right now, with Christian church(s) is that they do not act very Christ-like. If they preach accurately from the Bible, they appear to be hypocritical. Some though, don't even sound like the sermon comes from the Bible anymore, spattered with hate and oppression. And say Lutherans are 5% different from Catholics, Baptists are 5% from Lutherans, Evangelicals 5% from Baptist... Does that make Evangelicals 15% different than Catholics? Anyway, even 5% is a significant difference, no matter how it stacks up.
Belief is not the reqirement. It is the result. Such belief is the product of Faith and Faith is the product of the indwelling Christ. He's in the heart of every creature. If you believe in love, you believe in God. God is Perfect Love! All forgiving LOVE. It is that love that is most convincing of all.
Every time someone says "gingers don't have souls" I like to respond, or at least think about responding with "I'm not ginger but I don't have one either!"
@@kevinmalone3210 We can clearly find that out before anyone dies. HOW? Easily How many prayers are answered by any GOD? How many innocent people are saved by GOD? How many people are FED by GOD? How many people has GOD openly talked to in public? So far GOD isn't consistently delivering on any of the above. So why would anyone consider there is something special to take place after you are dead when no GOD worries about what happens before you die?
The fact that a mass murderer, a rapist, a terrorist could go to heaven if they just repented and believed while people being as ideal as they could humanely be (like me and many people I knew) could go to hell for our rebellion terrified me and set the start point for my journey to unbelief.
The Christian person in this video may believe by faith, but she was taught about god through the bible. The bible says you must believe in Jesus, so she believes in Jesus because of what the bible says. But why do you believe the bible? Because the bible was inspired by god. How do you know? The books of the bible were written by men, and of many books written a few were selected by "First Council of Nicaea" to canonize the bible for Christianity. The books of the bible were written over hundreds of years by various men, some anonymous, based on dreams and prophesies of countless people. How can you have faith in a book with this reputation and unsubstantiated information? It's all myths, stories, and fables. Just like Zeus, Athena, Isis, Achilles, and so on... And no, I do not think it's acceptable for god to expect us to believe, on faith, the information coming from a trusted friend or family member else he'll throw us in hell for eternity. If this information is this perilous to our eternal status, I would expect god to make itself known to every single person born without a shadow of doubt to each and every person. And then make sure 10 more times. I believe god is a product of human consciousness and the anxiety it produces about not knowing anything about afterlife, and if there is.
"All the other religions require us to do something for their gods". Ummmm...she literally just agreed that Jesus doesn't save you unless you believe. This is the definition of a requirement. Christianity is not different from religions that require things from their adherents. It is extremely demanding of you if you take the bible seriously. You would end up in prison if you took the bible seriously, which thankfully very few Christian do.
All religious people like to pretend that their belief system is special, and different from the others in fundamental ways. They are good at pretending.
This was an interesting chat. I would recommend in the future that you be more explicit in how you use faith and belief. Even better clarify the meanings of these words at the outset so they don't get conflated and/or different definitions aren't being used interchangeably during the conversation. Both of you seemingly did this at various points and it caused a good deal of retreading the same ground to get past the muddy usage.
@@jezebelvibes belief is more properly defined as accepting a proposition to be true. Faith is more properly defined as believing a proposition without evidence. Faith is a subset of belief, you can believe things that are not faith based, but you cannot have faith if you do not believe.
I didn't become a Christian because of "evidence " that God exists. Jesus revealed Himself to me. He called my name and told me to accept Him as my Lord and Savior. Then I felt His spirit going all through me and it felt warm. Then He told me 3 times to stop doing drugs. Once I submitted and said ok I will quit I felt a change come over me and the desire for the drug was gone. I haven't been the same since. Proof is in a changed life.
@APMC you're right, thats because only Jesus is the true God. I don't know if you have any kids, but the way the world is headed, with drag queens indoctrinating kids and doctors mutilating kids, we need God more than ever.
I love your conversations. Thank you for sharing. Also, for faith… is there anything that couldn’t be believed on faith? Is there a mechanism that is used to root out the wrong or bad beliefs when employing faith? If not, then faith is a bad way to determine truth, especially if you’re going to then structure your life around that belief.
Lots to unpack here.. I'm about half way through, and need to step in. First, Bertrand/Whitehead proved that 1+1 may not equal 2. Even the earliest texts we have are hundreds of years after Jesus walked the earth. There are so many gospels from the same time as those included in the the Bible were discarded as not worthy
We blaspheme God by uttering the most despicable and vile things against him and then curse him when he withdraws his graces. We ungrateful sinners treat God with so much scorn and malice then question why hell will be our eternal abode. Suicide is a sin and Jesus didn’t sin, he suffered for our sake so that we may have eternal life.
@@juliabriggs1141 have you read the Bible ? God killed children by having them mauled by a bear 🐻, killed lots wife for looking back at sodom and Gomorrah, had his followers kill women children and even animals in the Old Testament, made a woman marry a man who raped her… I could go on, does this seem to you an unconditionally loving being ?
New sub! I've binged your videos all day and Idk if I'm agnostic now or not. I always believed. I wasn't ever that religious. Tried to go to church and it didn't stick. I still sort of believed but made up a God in my head. And then recently started believing God is essentially energy and just love itself. Not a "him" at all or anything like that. Energy. Karma etc. But now idk what I believe. And it's not a bad thing! You have some amazing points. And whoever you talked to here had NO GOOD POINTS! And most time deflected and didn't even answer the questions.
And the fact she only believes because she found religion when she was weak and it made her feel better... SCREAMS CULT! CUTL! CULT! RUUUNN! Religion is a trap! I've just come to my own realization that I have felt so alone in life because of my horrible family but I relied on still believing in God or karma etc. Because it made me feel less alone. Even tho I wasn't religious, that "cult-like" mentality was still there. I'm good on my own. I always have been! Thank you for waking me up!
0:00-- QUESTION #1: *"Why is belief the measure for what happens to your eternal soul."* Firstly, we must understand that _Belief_ in God, to God (as explained in the Bible), is not about believing that He exists. That's a given. Because of the evidence. (I will present that evidence to you in another comment, or video). *The primary aspect of "Belief" in the Bible regarding God and Jesus the Son of God is about trusting Him. Many people believe God exists. But they do not TRUST/BELIEVE in Him. Many think He's a liar or wicked like Satan is known to be.* _For example: A woman my have a spouse whom she believes in. The primary thing she means to convey by that statement, "I believe in him," is not that she believes he exists. No. What she means is that she trusts him, trusts in him, and supports his goals and intentions. A different woman may have a husband whom she does not believe in. She does not trust him, does not trust in him, nor does she support his goals and intentions. She does not believe in him._ A woman who believes in her husband will be harmonious to his agenda. A woman who does not believe in her husband will be destructive to his agenda. Do you see? ANSWER to Question #1: *Not believing/trusting in God is the measure for what happens to your eternal soul in a universe that God the Father created, because that person will disregard His words and instructions against the good of themselves and others. The primary thing that God tells us to do is love one another. How would things be if everyone loved one another? Things would be great of course! But so many people do not trust in God enough to even do that. So, God is not going to have people around who are unwilling to love one another. Those who prefer to hate one another will have their place with all the other haters of their fellowman. (Sort of like the prisons where there are hateful criminals kept away from the society of peaceful law-abiding citizens.) God will not have hateful people in His kingdom. There is simply no place for them in Paradise. They would ruin it.* A child who does not believe in or trust his/her father will do many things against their counsel and possibly ruin their own life as well as others'. Be well!
According to God, Christians are said to go through fiery trails, tried by fire, and their souls are being tormented now (such as is said of Lot). However, the fire, although real, is not natural fire. It is spiritual (immaterial) fire. "For while that righteous man was living among them day after day, *he was tormented in his righteous soul* by the lawless deeds that he saw and heard." --2 Peter 2:8 *The righteous experience torment of soul now.* *The wicked will experience torment of the soul later.* Some people seem to not understand that if God simply withdrew the things from their lives that they enjoy everyday (which they never give Him credit for anyway)-- that alone would be torment. And people confined with other rebels would be gnashing their teeth in regret after realizing the simplicity of God's requirements which they refused. *Love one another.*
The existence of God is not a given; it is a claim. The Bible is a book consisting almost entirely of claims and very little evidence to back them up. Before you try to explain the subtle nuances of the proper way to approach God, convince me that he exists.
@@Flockmeister Test your capacity-- God and the Bible aside, first please think to yourself and then explain *what evidence could make it **_obvious_** to **_you personally_* that ancient men far superior in intellect and power than modern men once walked this earth. (If you are able to answer thoughtfully and correctly about circumstantial evidence regarding man, you will also be able to discern the obvious evidence of God.) I look forward to your thoughtful reply!
The woman in the discussion said that Christianity was the only religion where someone did something for people doesn't understand the Mahayana Buddhist idea of the bodhisattva. There is some overlap between schools of Buddhism and Christianity (the more mystically oriented ones, anyway). The bodhisattva is a "spiritually mature person" who seeks to help others when they have no particular benefit for doing so--except in a macro sense of betterment of and compassion for all. Some would see Jesus (aka Yeshua) as a bodhisattva looking through Buddhist eyes. It is about compassionate motivations and actions, not subscribing to a laundry list of beliefs.
there is a book called Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Michael Baigent. In it you can read about how a patsy was being hung on a cross and not Jesus. He in the book says how was on the side laughing at them. His real tomb is in chadue De Rein France.
I love the thought that the real one true god actually condemns believers to hell and anyone who's skeptical and doesn't believe, gets into heaven. So I'm just gonna stick to not believing, atheists go to heaven instead of believers yayyyy!
Ok, someone comes to MY home knocks on my door then begins to tell me why I am bad and need to join their church and believe in God. Simple response your accusation and wasting my time requires evidence or do not come to me telling me about your favorite fairy tale.
There are two basic ways to argue against a particular religion. First, the backward approach, show that the process to come to the conclusions are faulty, lacks reason or evidence, depends on false premises, baseless assumptions, logical fallacies, etc. The second way is the forward approach, accept the arguments faulty approach, but use counterfactuals, show that the same arguments work with every other religion and deity including ones that contradict a person's preferred religion. Notice William Lane Craig's Kalam Cosmological Argument was developed to support Allah using the same arguments, not the Christian God. He doesn't seem to ever point this out. Kristi does a terrific job of employing both these methodologies. Keep up the great work!
That's the problem! Religion should be rational and also provides spiritual relief if this religion is true. Religions can be ranked on this criteria pretty well and this will help people understand the true path. It needs learning and dedication to find the truth as it is out there and there are many academic efforts, lectures, debates etc. As I said before, having a godless world is very dark and dangerous because we will have a depressive and chaotic world without a divine helper, no justice, no rules, no spiritual satisfaction and no fear of a supreme God who will provide justice and will hold all of us accountable for our deeds and actions. This is the biggest and first reason for me to believe in God.
Not 'belief' as in concepts. Belief as in 'switch of one's will to accept relationship with God'. That has always been the choice: to trust in the Creator, that he knows the good for us, or to be our own gods and create our own realities.
@@rhrrtt Exactly. That's why God doesn't come to us through concepts alone, rather through direct experience. One must then make a choice to accept or go one's own way.
@@kevinmalone3210 Neither the Bible, circumstances, other people, or anything I might remotely interpret as being the Holy Spirit has ever convinced me of the existence of a Christian God ... and even if it had, how would I distinguish the significance of any of these things from just being something in my imagination?
One thing that's evident from the comments is that there's considerable disagreement about what's required for salvation. Given how critical salvation is supposed to be, (i.e. you'd at best risk permanent misery if you got things wrong) you'd think God would have made the process crystal clear!
Personally I don’t think it makes sense like much of Christianity theology. I also ask all the same questions and see endless dilemmas and ethical problems. Going one step further with belief being the basis of salvation I also question how the timing of a the belief (just before you happen to die) also becomes the basis.
By millions of fairy-tale believers who do SO WANT to believe... Self-deception is the easiest thing in the world to do when you really, REALLY WANT to believe something!
There were testimonies from “eye witnesses” of Caesar having been raised from the dead, too. Do you believe he was? The human brain is perfectly capable of believing the unbelievable.
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THIS WAS SOOO GOOOOD! Kristi’s questions are SO clear, concise and well thought out! The caller was pretty reasonable, which is not a common character trait..
It was a great conversation!
Great conversation???..... The lady says she don't know, she don't know.
@@jezebelvibesKristi am I blocked for some reason? Just wondering.
Thanks.
@@RedwinKemp-h4x But it showed how Christians can’t logically explain their religion. That guest in a way kind of conceded to Kristi.
This is an example of cognitive dissonance in action.
You are killing it Sister. Your clarity is divine. You're doing the work. You make it make sense to embrace the Love of Humanity versus the fear of god.
Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.
Being really nice and understanding while really bearing down on someone’s cognitive dissonance is hard, but you pulled it off.
Yeah, Kristi's intellect is vastly superior to whoever it was that she was in discussion with.
@@Amazing_Mark I don't think so. One was questioning while the other answering. They were performing different roles. Her guest had a little bit of knowledge and actually did address some of her questions and misconceptions.
@@Amazing_Mark Perhaps the new Christopher Hitchens in the making, although, I don't think there will ever be someone like him
I'm an atheist, and have been for over twenty years. I liked how you spoke with this caller
You are a compelling evangelist for rationality, and you counter competing claims wonderfully. Brava!
Having been raised Southern Baptist and still working my way (sixty years later) to understanding the world and our place in it, I saw the indoctrination first-hand. One of the strongest signs of an indoctrinated belief system is the use of repeated phrases such as 'we all fall short', 'you just have to have faith', 'god works in mysterious ways', 'it's not your place to question god', etc. In most discussions with christians, it is evident that they fall back on these phrases consistently when questioned about their belief. I have no problem with people being christians. To each their own. But the deep-seated 'superiority' of christians... i don't have time for that.
Awwwww Thank you for using me!!! Thanks for the chat and convo and kindness!! I hope your having a great day!!!!!!!
It was a great conversation! Thanks for chatting with me ☺️
Hello Courtney, if you’re looking for any of the responses to objections brought forth I have made a couple of playlists that goes through the same line of questions atheists always bring up including those brought up today such as
Why your God over the millions of others
Evidence for your God
What is required for salvation
What about those who have been placed in other religions
Basically God is truth, in his truth he is constantly calling out to everyone to accept him, God has given us a mind that can deduce what is true and what is false, when one is truly looking for truth God reveals himself to us through Christ by the guidance of our consciousness, as I said previously atheists have around the same objections which can be narrowed down to 20 subcategories, which is why I made these playlists however when given these playlists that answers all of the objections atheist have they still reject God, why? Simple, no amount of evidence or responses given can lead someone to accept God, it’s not a head problem it’s a heart problem, when and if a person is truly ready to accept Christ they will, otherwise they will only move the goal post and come up with a different objection to reject God even if you answer 99 of their objections they will always have one more. God bless
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@@japexican007 A million playlists will never qualify as demonstrable evidence for invisible beings, if one would still believe after watching this video, they are choosing to live by willful ignorance.
@@japexican007 Thank you, I will look into that and I really appreciate your feedback
I'm very happy that I subscribed to your channel. You converse with your callers with such kindness and respect, while at the same time expressing your views with real clarity and common sense.
Thanks and welcome!
@@jezebelvibes Time to expose masonry members:
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“You really battle this stuff, don’t you?”
I cannot tell you how many times I have heard this while thinking critically about the Bible and religion. 🙄🙄🙄
Yes! The fact that there are tens of thousands of religions with tens of thousands of gods proves Pascal's Wager to be an unreasonable bet.
But MY god is the cool one...he got rid of ice giants. 😁
The Reason Why, there are so many " religions " is because JESUS prayed , " Let ( My Believers ) be ONE , as You & I are One , Father " ( In Unity of Belief ) So, the existence of Non - Christian Religions, Cults, etc , is simply Satan's attempt, to Divide Christians , ( Away , from GOD's " Rightly Divided " Word , )
Satan's Plan, is to " Divide, and Conquer " .
So then , here's Another MYTH , BUSTED , by GOD's Grace, & God's Bible Myth Buster , Brother Jim . May GOD Bless , ALL , as YOU , decide to ( Scripture ) " Come out from among them , & Be Separate , ( to God's Rightly Divided Word , ) & I ( The Lord , ) will accept You " Amen ! You , Friend, can Decide this , Today !
Every now and then, TH-cam algorithm shows you something you actually enjoy. Just watched you for the first time Kristi. Am now subscribed .
This caller is completely outmatched. Kristi crushed it.
Very respectful and civil debate! I really enjoyed it
I see other wise , Kristi is wiping the floor with this young lady who should have studied her scriptures before she came on.
Hello Kristi, I’ve been watching a lot of your videos and I want to thank you for sharing your story. Thank you for promoting critical thinking and true self love.
I would really like for you to discuss the story of job and how disturbing it truly is. That story is so impactful to me because when I first heard it, it was so obvious to me that god shouldn’t have
let satan cruelly tear apart this man’s life just to prove that he would still worship him. God is all knowing and should’ve known that job would still worship him regardless. I just wish more christians would understand what they are reading.
I agree. The story of job is a bad look for the biblical god. I have it on my list!
The story of Job was for your benefit to help you understand. Job is in heaven now experiencing great joy.
@stryker1195 There was no concept of heaven at that time. Life was here and now, and when you died, you went to Sheol. Heaven came later, after the Jews got exposed to Zoroastrianism and the Greek philosophers. Job is about making sense of the cruel randomness of life in spite of there being an all powerful god. Both are true, but God can do what he wants, so shut up. The Bible is not a magical book that all fits together coherently, but if you believe that it is, you will find ways to make it do that. It's motivated reasoning.
@@Flockmeister Well, you certainly have put me in my place, haven't you? 🤣
And the story of David how we comit adultery and killed
I always say to Christians “I was so relieved when I realized I don’t have to believe anything to be safe with God” (I’m a theistic agnostic).
It really upsets them and causes huge cognitive dissonance because my version of God is more benevolent and reasonable than theirs.
Would you not be considered a deist?
May I ask why did you believe in something that you cannot prove exists? And you know personal expenses doesn't count. Just wondering
If you're an agnostic theist that means you don't know anything about your god other than that it exists.
So how is it that you know that your god is more benevolent than theirs? To be an agnostic theist would mean that you could make no determinations about its benevolence one way or the other. Your god could be 13 Mecha-Hitlers rolled into one that likes to wait for people to die before it whisks our consciousness off to some unknown dimension to torment all of us for eternity and you'd have no way of knowing.
The ability to contrast qualities beyond the simple binary of exists/does not exist means you know things about your god. Which makes you a gnostic theist.
@@A-non-theist personal experience counts for me, but isn’t proof. I’m a pragmatist.
My experience is that I’m conscious and that’s mysterious,
my experience is that I’ve had mystically attained knowledge about others I couldn’t have otherwise known
my experience is that spirituality has a potent influence in my life
my experience is that I’ve had an entity with a different mind than mine share my seat of consciousness in my body while on ayahuasca (1/10 do not recommend lol).
I don’t expect any of this to be compelling to anyone else, nor do I care if someone believes in divinity.
It does work quite well for me at times to believe what I do, so I’m sometimes tempted to proselytize or whatever… but I make efforts not to.
I really appreciate atheism and deconstruction, I just find enrichment in knowing this world as a spiritual construct birthed from consciousness. That worldview aligns more with my experience than materialism.
@@A-non-theist I think deism implies that God is inaccessible, silent, uninvolved. I don’t even know what God is but sometimes I experience deep unconditional/personal love as both coming from outside me and being my essential nature… that divinity seems to be interactive and therefore not simply deistic.
Kristi. Your deconstruction videos are great and serve a vital purpose, but I LOVE back and forth conversations where both people are articulate and respectful of each other, so kudos to both you and your caller! If possible, more of these would be good!
I'll be doing more tiktok lives soon, so there will definitely be more of these in the future 😊
Great conversation here 😊
I'm definitely a natural born critical thinker and I don't find it hard to question Christianity or deconstruct a "faith" that I've been told my whole life is worth banking on without supplying 100 percent sufficient evidence. I grew up in a family that believes if I lose my faith in Jesus, I'll not go to Heaven. I don't believe a loving God would send people to Hell just because they didn't follow a man made religion on earth.
This is where a Christian will say, "Oh, but religion is man-made, but a relationship with Christ is authentic and true!"
Awww I feel for the woman you were talking to it sounds like she went through hard times
Such a good convo! I just discovered your channel and I super appreciate your clarity of thought 🙏
Welcome! glad you enjoy my videos! :)
@@Satankontsin_LaChristian0314 lmaooo
@@Satankontsin_LaChristian0314do you have any evidence outside of bible scriptures to prove this?
Wow, I wish I had your ability to discuss religion instead of argue. You have a unique way about yourself, you are not demeaning or argumentative, you are very informed and intelligent and kind, you simply ask questions and get people to “try” to think rationally. Keep these videos coming I’m already a huge fan.
@@Satankontsin_LaChristian0314 we have better evidence Harry Potter is more true than your horrible bible.
This conversation is so frustrating but it's one that needs to happen probably a few billion times over. It's so hard to get out of that circular logic of your religion
Well done. You did an excellent job of keeping the discussion on track while allowing some organic shifting of focus, and you were equally adept at asking piercing questions that highlighted issues with your interlocutor's statements without being too threatening or off putting. While she took advantage of you not pressing too hard and used this space to avoid answering numerous questions, the sheer inability to respond directly to issues raised was an effective "rebuttal" in its own right.
It's hard to balance all of those things in a live conversation, so kudos to you for doing all of that. 🙂
I must say I enjoyed this conversation, this lady is a reasonable interlocutor ahd open to discussion, unlikely many others.
I agree! I felt she was very genuine and reasonable.
The lady you are speaking to you is well spoken.
I agree!
You are as well, but we don't see things the same either 😅. It's good you question, I do as well, as we all should. Maybe it's how you define evidence? All the best till next time.
In my case, the abilities of reasoning and deduction to drove me to God and at one point He took over and revealed MUCH to me about HIMSELF, about life in this plane, about spiritual realities, about living in enemy territory (spiritually), about being in this world but not belonging to it and being persecuted because of it. "Call unto me and l will show you things that you know not". We must ask for humility so we can receive for God resists the proud.
Great discussion!
Mutual respect and understanding between people that disagree about things is refreshing and becoming increasingly rare these days.
Or at least that is my impression. And great questions, from both of you too.
For myself, growing up in a very biblical religious upbringing, once I started really studying salvation and how to teach it to others is when it all started falling apart.
There are many beliefs of course, and as you point out that is something that we just take for granted but really makes no sense if a god wanted everyone to be saved.
If belief is central to salvation, why make it so hard and convoluted?
Obviously free will is essential in the equation, and the central justification for most Christian arguments about why things are the way they are.
But even given that, it all seems like a roll of the dice or Russian roulette.
Even taking free will into account, how much does it depend on where you are born, when you are born, to who you are born, and then countless other factors after you are born? The more I learned about everything the more and more the evidence seems to point to humanity making gods rather than gods making humanity.
There are many many reasons that I no longer believe in the god of the bible, but respect all who do believe who at least try to live up to the better of it's teachings.
I still quote "Be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger." almost daily. Usually to myself xD
Trust me, I know the typical counters to most questions against faith from a Christian pov, and probably have better ones than most that I have used to justify all belief when I was a Christian myself. lol
But anyone reading that thinks they have a definitive answer to this line of questioning feel free to respond, I still am open to and like to hear all pov's.
I don’t believe the god in the bible because some teaching is good and some are bad and contradictions.
nonsense since Kristi is using all the atheist talking points and schemes to deconvert her. "Just admit that you don't know" is followed by "You cant know" and in the meantime I admitted to GOD that I know nothing and HE gave me HIS wisdom and now I know everything and I can answer every one of these insidious questions/babble.
@Johnny A that's the thing, different people arrive at different points and they mostly claim wisdom from god?
@@unknownx7252 she wont enter into a dialogue with me. Every point she makes I will crush it instantly and she knows that.
she doesnt want truth... she wants justification for her preferred ideology.
Wonderful to wake up here in Australia 🇦🇺 and discover a new Kristi video available! 👍
Good morning!
Agreed... greetings and salutations from Sth Oz! 🙂
Great discussion. Love how clearly you were able to explain/ convey your thoughts
Thanks so much!
I found the other person very often didn't answer the question that was asked, but focused on some other point that was a lead up to the question. This seems quiet common in these discussions.
Yep I was getting frustrated, she'd lead her away from the original question every time with an emotional take
@@MelissaMayhem99Same. But this is very common in atheist call in shows.
Show me your soul.
Show me your mind.
Show me your spirit.
Nothing to show. Only words.
My Father was a minister of the church. I once asked him what God would do regarding the millions of people around the world who had never heard of Jesus, as surely it would be unfair to judge them based on whether they believed something which they'd never even heard of.
He answered that God was fair and would probably judge them based on their morality. God's not going to send people to hell that not only had no chance to be saved, but lived their entire lives not even thinking it was an issue. So, if God IS fair, what was the point of Jesus coming at all?
From Trent Horn from Catholic Answers: "One that I like is what would be called the satisfaction theory, and that is that Christ’s death on the cross is not a punishment as if he were a bad person, but it is a sacrifice and a reflection of him as a good person. And the fact is, he did not HAVE to be crucified. Instead, Christ wanted to offer himself to the Father as the ultimate and perfect sacrifice of love to demonstrate his love for humanity and desire for the sins of humanity to be forgiven.
So what we would say, then, is that rather than Jesus being punished with all of our sins and that’s why our sins go away, rather we would say that Jesus’s death on the cross is so good, it’s so meritorious, it’s of infinite value, because Jesus is God and man-he’s divine, so what he offers the Father in that act is of infinite value, because he’s divine-that it outweighs the harm caused by our sins. It outweighs the damage, the punishment due. It’s like, you know, imagine balancing the scales of justice, that when you have our sins put the scales one way, Christ’s sacrifice punches the scales infinitely in the other direction."
@@mikeklinger3655 Well then, “Trent Horn” makes no sense imo.
The bible says we need to work out our own salvation.
You are really good. You ask just the right questions.
Even when a person asks the right questions, the person answering often beats around the bush.
I was reading about near death experiences in India. The experiencers described things from their religion and culture. If Christianity was the one true religion, wouldn't they be seeing Christ?
That's what I would expect. It certainly is peculiar that your culture and religious environment often determines what you see in near death experiences.
@@jezebelvibesYou do realize that none other religions have seen their gods like that, right? You see that Jesus himself is always coming to people from different faiths and backgrounds in dreams and revelations but you don't hear about the power from the other religions gods?
@@ifeanyi8325 Not true. Research it.
Why? Why would they see Christ? He isn't their savior. So why would they see him upon death? How does them not seeing him negate Christianity?
How should we take these accounts? I recently heard about a few nde from people close to me. They were eerily similar. How should that impact someone's faith? How should that be weighed?
@LeoB exactly my point so... How does them not seeing him negate Christianity?
Keep on thinking. Keep using your mind. That unsettles programed dogma.
Kristi has almost reached 0.5 million views. 👍 This channel is exploding 💥 - I foresee 1 million views in the not too distant future. 👌
This conversation further reinforces my belief that religion is a cult.
I have the same thoughts, but are far less articulate then you!! I always have brain farts and stumble a bit in face
To face convos.
Thank you for your videos! They are healing for me. I believe come from a similar Christian background as you. I appreciate what you are doing and I’m taking notes ❤
"but are far less articulate then you!!" < "then"? It's "than" dummy.
14:08 "You really do be using your brain huh?" 🧠 😂
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I found it very frustrating that at first it seemed like she wasn't answering the question that you asked. Bringing up that it's about faith, and not about proof or whatever is not addressing the point of the question you asked. I always say that, for the sake of argument, let's say I am not smart enough, or "spiritual" enough, or "open minded" enough, or emotionally attuned enough, or *whatever* enough to "get it", to be convinced by it. I am doing the best I can with what I have as limited and flawed as it is. I can't choose to believe something I find unconvincing, even if I am wrong about it due to flaws and shortcomings I may have. Under Christianity (and any other religion that requires belief in order to avoid some kind of punishment), I would be damned, but not for lack of trying. What kind of justice is that?
And to clarify, I don't necessarily think she was intentionally dodging the question; maybe its just that, as is true of us all at times, her existing paradigm affected her perception of the question such that the point of it wasn't registering.
@Carl_Frank I was getting frustrated at her dodging the question too, like a bait and switch. It all came down to "Well it depends on the person."
I hate that you can hear how passionate she is about her religion that had a huge impact on her recovery from things in her life, but that alone - while heartbreaking, doesn't add anything to the argument of God's existence and morality.
I was getting irritated with her pausing and sighing at almost every question, as if she's been asked it 100 times and is sick of defending it. That alone should be telling enough
@@MelissaMayhem99The correct answer was that it's not fair. But the caller couldn't say that because she'd be saying something negative about her deity.
Brooooo the title enough had me scream thhhhats soooo true
You are amazing kristi you are a very good debating all religions say the same thing our religion is right and the only true religion love you're channel you are a good person religion is based on faith thin faith no evidence
Not true, Jesus made extraordinary claims like He is the only way to the Father. Either Jesus is who he said He is or the religion is worthless.
I'm betting on the second one lol
@@elitedrumlessons6174 the religion is worthless have you any proof of jesus saying that Muhammad could have said something similar but without any evidence we can't proof of religion or god(s) are true
@@jezebelvibes Yeah! Me too! In fact, I really don't think he ever existed as a real, historical person anyway! 😄
@@jezebelvibes you are great at debating all round if there is an afterlife you would definitely be there love channel
There's a book called "Those Curious New Cults" that goes through all the mayor religions and cults and compares them to Christianity. It shows in many ways how Christianity is CLEARLY different from all others and why it is TRUE.
To Jesus, being spiritual implied action - love your neighbor the same way you love yourself. If you love him/her, then you want to do good to them, that's action. Simple "belief" is mostly meaningless. How many Evangelicals "belief" in Jesus, without practicing any of his teachings? He told us not to judge others, and yet, here they are judging gays, judging trans, judging democrats... Do they love their enemies? It sure doesn't look like it, and yet they "believe". So what???
Christians have a saying, hate the sin, but love the sinners. It's not how Christianity is suppose to operate, but it doesn't mean, they accept this lifestyle, and want to have it affect their way of living, for themselves, and their children.
Junior said be a EUNUCH who does that., Give away all that you own Oh junior going to be in on YWH Genocide 2.0 What LOVE. This BOOK, Junior YHW are MADE UP MONSTERS
🎉Good on you🎉
When I read the Old Testament I can’t believe it came out of the mind of an benevolent being that is fair and just and loving on how many innocent women and children was slaughtered because he is an angry and vengeful God and this God is also the Jesus of the New Testament that everyone says he forgiven and kind that is an contradiction they don’t add up.
BECAUSE it bs.😂😂
Well, if he was angry, God
Then why are you still alive?
I had gotten to the point of not believing in the old testament "God " , and only believing in Jesus . The contradictions of the old and new testament of God , vengeful or loving . This had caused my crisis of faith . So , I do understand what you were saying .
@@echoofthevoiceinthewildern3008 He's not angry because he doesn't exist unless you can prove it.
@@Satankontsin_LaChristian0314 Prove it.
Enjoy Kristi putting it down 💯
I am an atheist. In this debate, I think the Christian held her cool because a lot of Christians would be angry and would get torn up on the inside when it comes to a conversation about faith, they would have cursed and claimed that the atheist would be on the road to the fiery furnace.
The Christian explained her position in a very articulate and polite manner. I am sure that is because she was given a respectful conversation from an atheist which is rare for an atheist to be able to offer.
For example you generalized all Christians as people who will condemn people to hell if they don't agree with the Christian. But I have seen quite the opposite. What I find is that most Christians are very polite and sympathetic to non Christians and will offer blessings like "I will pray for you" as opposed to saying "you are going to hell".
The typical atheist response is something antagonistic such as "Ok pray to the invisible sky daddy". Atheists are quick to resort to being disrespectful because they don't hold themselves accountable to the morals and ethics that were originally defined within the various religious writings.
@@Samael580 Yes apologists are just as obstinate as atheists. Both groups of people are not willing to consider anything outside of their respective opinions. I assume that is the point you were trying to make since you are the only one talking about apologists. But you fail to understand that the term "apologists" is a relatively modern term and can be applied to the Christian and the atheist equally.
@@ObjectiveEthicsI offer Christians respectable back and forths all the time and still get the “you’re going to burn in hell” response when the conversation starts going against them. Or they’ll just start lying and straw manning
@@SPL0869 I assume that you expect me to take your personal testimony to these claims of your conversations with aleged Christians as a fact. But I also assume that you reject these same Christians personal testimony based on lack of verifiable evidence. Can you offer me proof of your conversations with every Christian?
I can also reason by your own comment that your claim that infers every Christian you have ever "tried to engage in a respectful back and forth always results in them being liars and presenting straw man arguments" is evidence that you likely were not actually offering them the respectful conversation that you assert you were. How do you know they were lying? What evidence did you present to them that proved they were actually lying? Did that happen every time?
I am not a Christian and yet I am able to engage in respectful conversations about theology with Christians on a regular basis. I have not had any Christians tell me that I am damned to hell. Perhaps that is because I did not disrespect them by calling them liars or regurgitating irrelevant phrases like "straw man". The intelligent debater would use the proper terminology for deflection or avoidance of a direct question but an apologist atheist would hide behind emotional slurs like straw man, sky daddy, liar etc etc etc.
@@ObjectiveEthics Erm, how do we know, they were real, true Christians - if they did not fulfil, John 14:13, however?
Just saying - you guys, can be all over the place, historically, and today.
And plenty of evangelists default to saying many have earned hell, if they do not listen, or repent.
To be de-jeopardized...
Great debate and discussion. Came across your channel recently and find it quite intriguing. Well done.
"You can find similarities among the most widespread religions." Well, duh? With the history that they share together and the fact that the religious scholars did read the books of their neighbours it's hardly surprising that there was cross-polination even if we discount those that started as splinter sects of the original religion.
Most of OT, NT is Plagiarism
I feel like this is one of the more interesting of these types of conversations. The guest here seems like she represents the group that enters the church looking for a better life after experiencing hard ship, and I feel for her. That makes for a particularly difficult circumstance; is it worth questioning anything about the faith? Internally I'm sure that's probably what she's going through. Tearing apart the logic of something she put faith in as an escape from something would be soul crushing. And I'd argue it almost feels like she concedes to your argument here, but not in a way where she truly deconstructs. It seemed like she came around that trusting on faith alone and no logic when there are tens of thousands of other choices is kinda insane, but her experience with it has her still locked in regardless. Definitely was an interesting conversation.
Religious belief depends on your place of birth and religion cultivated by your parents in over 99% of cases. Since child's mind is very moldable at young age and then gradually soldifies, our religious beliefs are essentially engraved into our minds and it takes really a lot to change them. So knowing that religious belief is completely flawed and unreliable way to know what's right and wrong and that majority of people in the world turn to wrong religion, it is one of the last things an omnipotent and all-loving god would praise and value.
Yes yes.
My believer family would tell me don’t need logical and critical thinking about OUR GOD😂
You don't, just believe through faith, but I don't see anything wrong with using critical thinking, and examining the evidence for Christianity.
Oh, yes! evidence of Christianity, our sect Christian God who is still said to be the only and only truth was hiding child sex abuse within the group for 50 years. My critical thinking (GUT) was able to grasp, Bible God doesn’t actually care innocent children being molested by any Bible holding or say learning people! If there is anyone or anything called Supernatural Being, just save the children instantly with your magic finger, if you’re watching it, knowing you’re a LOVE and have almighty power, should be the sensible thinking! But this or any God seems to prefer to be silent or gone whenever children are screaming for help! What are you going to say if asked by your God believer child, “why didn’t God protect me from being raped?” Are you going to say “your FAITH was not enough!”
That’s hilarious. And typical of the brainwashed. Blind faith is required, and yet they claim it based on logic and reason. It’s the root of hypocrisy.
Cool. I've been wanting another call in conversation.
9:04 "if you historically study your long term ones"
I like your pushback here about an indigenous religion that the rest of us may not have access to that might be the one true religion. I've always thought the idea that an appeal to longevity or popularity is such a weak argument. If Christianity is true, it is just as true today with over a billion followers as it was all those years ago with only 12.
I've also always thought it funny how often they claim Satan or demons are involved in the rise and popularity of certain things. What if all these long term religions are actually the seeds planted by Satan and the one true religion has been lost to time? What if God lost the battle of our minds and all humans have been corrupted into either doubt or belief in a false religion? They're always so arrogant as to think they could never fall victim to a false religion themselves.
I love that you're not letting her pivot😂
IF any god were real, it would be obviously evident, and we would not need belief or faith, nor would we need other humans to speak on behalf of that god.
Or any man-made holy book 👍
There is already enough evidence for God as it is.
@@juliabriggs1141 What would be this evidence of this gods existence? Which god would this be and why this god?
@@juliabriggs1141 Please don't words when you don't really understand what they mean.
"it would be obviously evident,"
Noe necessarily. It might just have started off an experiment and be curious as to how it goes, without interfering.
There is no reason to suppose that a god, or gods, wanted to be known, let alone worshipped (a concept that makes no sense), or that it or they would be benevolent.
The credit card sized manuscript you speak of is p52. The significance of this manuscript is that it is the earliest Greek manuscript that we have, dated typically from around 150 ce. Next, manuscripts of the rest of the new testament begin circa 200.
Kristy asked the right questions but the Christian couldn't or wouldn't answer her questions. The christian also engaged in the well known "not a true scottsman" fallacy. Kristi did call her out.
many religions don't have the concept of an eternal afterlife, and those ones allow people to get on with the business of existing in the world we know, and i like those ones a lot more than the others
I wonder if believing that her dog's farts don't smell would override the evidence of her sensory experience?
@B.S._Lewis, speak!
It's best when they flip round in surprise to see what came out. (One of my favourite things.)
I didn't know dogs farted.
@@RedwinKemp-h4x Once smelled, never forgotten.
Romans 8: 16-19
First of all, I think they (i.e. those who promote belief in fairy-tales) need to prove that we actually have a 'soul'... (i.e. the 'eternal soul' of the fairy-tales...)
definitely. There is no real way to measure a soul.
@@jezebelvibes I thought the definitive test was, those who have rhythm have soul.
Those that don't ... probably should warn people before they try to dance.
@@tercerocastero Well... I can't dance, especially since I smashed my left foot in a motorcycle accident some years ago... BUT I DO play guitar and sing, so I know I have rhythm. The point I'm trying to make is 'having soul' in the musical sense (or even in the compassionate, emotional sense!) is one thing... and having A soul, or, more specifically, an ETERNAL soul, is something else entirely!
Another viewpoint is that we do not HAVE souls, but in fact we ARE souls... (and we still often use the word in this manner...) But since we are not eternal, there is no reason to assume that the 'soul' is either. Unless, of course, you believe in reincarnation... which is a whole 'nother ball-game! And, as far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out on that question too. My advice is to "have a nice life... it's the ONLY ONE you can actually be CERTAIN of!" ☺
@@theseustoo Sorry to hear about your foot. I have two good ones but can't dance either >.<
I was just being cheeky with my post, I have a very sarcastic sense of humor which I know by now should only be used in person (if at all) but I still post using it even knowing I shouldn't lol
But I still very much appreciate your response. Since I grew up as Christian I always took for granted I had an eternal soul, and once I left the faith just assumed it doesn't exist apart from whatever we are as this brain and body. There certainly is no proof I know of that anything of us remains after death but like you I find the belief in reincarnation a pretty fascinating concept.
Obviously I don't have a clue as to the nature of existence either but am open to believe everything is cyclical perhaps.
Whether just for matter and energy as pertains to the universe, or perhaps all parts of nature like we see on earth.
Well those thoughts will lead me down a huge rabbit hole on an already TLDR though, which I'm prone to do lol, but either way, thanks for the advice at the end, definitely true and worth sharing with everyone. xD
@@tercerocastero Oh, I didn't take offence to your post. I laughed, too, because I saw it for the joke it was. (I'm not entirely without a sense of humour!)
Personally, I don't really think anything of our 'personalities' survives after death... and believe it or not, even many gurus from both Hinduism and Buddhism actually believe that, whatever actually survives death is NOT the personality but merely a kind of universal 'soul-substance', which has absolutely nothing to do with any 'personality' or 'psyche', which latter two words is how we westerners usually conceive of the 'soul'.
I don't personally actually believe in reincarnation, but I'm prepared to be open to the possibility, even though I can see no actual 'mechanism' by which it might operate... unless there is some truth to the Hindu/Buddhist speculations about 'soul-substance'. But there's no real proof of this either, though there are some intriguing stories, like, for example, those tales about how the 'new' Dalai Lama is chosen after the 'old' one dies... Intriguing, but hardly proof.
I'd agree that just about everything in nature does suggest that virtually everything is 'cyclical'... and that this in itself does suggest some kind of cycle of 'death and rebirth'... and this is probably where ALL religions had their origins! But again, suggestion is not proof.
I'm glad you appreciate the advice I've given. I often add, "Be nice and kind to each other" too, because that's the best way to ensure that the one life we can be sure of is likely to be a good one... But tbh, there's no guarantee in that either! (And I'm equally guilty of having written far too many 'TLDR'-type posts, too! So you've no need to apologize for that!)
Nice chatting with you! Have a nice day! ☺
What sticks n my head in this conversation is the assumption, with zero evidence, of a soul.
Judge(let’s say God) : Believers, sorry no logical,critical, rational thinking in MY court. No need concrete evidence😂Never point out contradictions and inconsistencies😅
If I hear the word "like" one more time, I'm gonna scream.
Her killer argument seems to be that Jesus died for her sins, and that is something only Christianity offers. The innocent dying in place of the guilty, willing or otherwise, is in fact very common historically in religion. It's called human sacrifice. The druids practised it and so did the Aztecs, but that isn't a reason to accept those religions, but rather to reject them. Yahweh forbade it in the Old Testament, when he told Abraham not to ritually murder his son Isaac, which Abraham was perfectly willing to do because he had faith, but kill an animal instead.
Sorry but throwing a child in a hot oven and burning it to death for Molech and cutting off innocent people’s heads and rolling it down a temple stairway is not the same as Jesus purposely laying down his life sacrificially.
I personally have a problem with any innocent living human or animal bird what ever being killed for someone guilty of whatever say a killer rapist etc. and you get a free pass with NO accountability.
Sure is convenient for the child molesters in the so called church.
I have a Christian friend who lies and say God forgive me then lies on and on and on.
@@johnnyyuma4194 Sin, that ye may be forgiven
Luke 16:31 “Abraham replied, ‘If they won’t listen to Moses and the Prophets, they’re not going to be convinced by someone who rises from the dead.’”
You'd think that if Christianity was the "right" religion, there wouldn't be over 200 denominations in the United States and 45,000 DIFFERENT denominations globally of just Christianity!
My old pastor said that everyone else has the wrong interpretation or they interpret it to say what they *want* it to say. 😂😂😂
Which bolsters the Catholic Church.
Which bolsters the Catholic Church.
Most of them still agree on 95% or higher, differing just a little bit
@@elitedrumlessons6174 when the stakes are as high as eternal hellfire or heaven, and the path as narrow as is the "godly way" where one wrong can erase all good ever done, any difference is detrimental.
The average number of pages in the bible is 1,200-1,500 5% of 1,200 is 60 pages, which ones are different? Teachings of the church can be numbered in the thousands of lessons, which ones are different?
Other religions also have more than one denomination, the average is 2 (Islam) to 4 (Judaism and Hinduism)
I think my main issue, right now, with Christian church(s) is that they do not act very Christ-like. If they preach accurately from the Bible, they appear to be hypocritical. Some though, don't even sound like the sermon comes from the Bible anymore, spattered with hate and oppression.
And say Lutherans are 5% different from Catholics, Baptists are 5% from Lutherans, Evangelicals 5% from Baptist... Does that make Evangelicals 15% different than Catholics?
Anyway, even 5% is a significant difference, no matter how it stacks up.
To believe in any one religion, you MUST suspend your disbelief. You MUST afford this one religion the benefit of the doubt.
Belief is not the reqirement. It is the result.
Such belief is the product of Faith and Faith is the product of the indwelling Christ.
He's in the heart of every creature. If you believe in love, you believe in God. God is Perfect Love! All forgiving LOVE. It is that love that is most convincing of all.
Every time someone says "gingers don't have souls" I like to respond, or at least think about responding with "I'm not ginger but I don't have one either!"
Evidence of a SOUL please!!!!
When our time here on this Earth ends. Either each of us will find out, or if there's no afterlife, won't.
@@kevinmalone3210 We can clearly find that out before anyone dies.
HOW?
Easily
How many prayers are answered by any GOD?
How many innocent people are saved by GOD?
How many people are FED by GOD?
How many people has GOD openly talked to in public?
So far GOD isn't consistently delivering on any of the above.
So why would anyone consider there is something special to take place after you are dead when no GOD worries about what happens before you die?
The fact that a mass murderer, a rapist, a terrorist could go to heaven if they just repented and believed while people being as ideal as they could humanely be (like me and many people I knew) could go to hell for our rebellion terrified me and set the start point for my journey to unbelief.
The Christian person in this video may believe by faith, but she was taught about god through the bible. The bible says you must believe in Jesus, so she believes in Jesus because of what the bible says. But why do you believe the bible? Because the bible was inspired by god. How do you know? The books of the bible were written by men, and of many books written a few were selected by "First Council of Nicaea" to canonize the bible for Christianity. The books of the bible were written over hundreds of years by various men, some anonymous, based on dreams and prophesies of countless people. How can you have faith in a book with this reputation and unsubstantiated information? It's all myths, stories, and fables. Just like Zeus, Athena, Isis, Achilles, and so on...
And no, I do not think it's acceptable for god to expect us to believe, on faith, the information coming from a trusted friend or family member else he'll throw us in hell for eternity. If this information is this perilous to our eternal status, I would expect god to make itself known to every single person born without a shadow of doubt to each and every person. And then make sure 10 more times. I believe god is a product of human consciousness and the anxiety it produces about not knowing anything about afterlife, and if there is.
I love how the both of you had very human moments back to back & just laughed about your husband making jokes & her dog farting lol 😅
"All the other religions require us to do something for their gods". Ummmm...she literally just agreed that Jesus doesn't save you unless you believe. This is the definition of a requirement. Christianity is not different from religions that require things from their adherents. It is extremely demanding of you if you take the bible seriously. You would end up in prison if you took the bible seriously, which thankfully very few Christian do.
All religious people like to pretend that their belief system is special, and different from the others in fundamental ways.
They are good at pretending.
This was an interesting chat. I would recommend in the future that you be more explicit in how you use faith and belief. Even better clarify the meanings of these words at the outset so they don't get conflated and/or different definitions aren't being used interchangeably during the conversation. Both of you seemingly did this at various points and it caused a good deal of retreading the same ground to get past the muddy usage.
Faith by definition *is* belief though.
@@jezebelvibes belief is more properly defined as accepting a proposition to be true. Faith is more properly defined as believing a proposition without evidence. Faith is a subset of belief, you can believe things that are not faith based, but you cannot have faith if you do not believe.
I didn't become a Christian because of "evidence " that God exists. Jesus revealed Himself to me. He called my name and told me to accept Him as my Lord and Savior. Then I felt His spirit going all through me and it felt warm. Then He told me 3 times to stop doing drugs. Once I submitted and said ok I will quit I felt a change come over me and the desire for the drug was gone. I haven't been the same since. Proof is in a changed life.
lol, you could believe in a holy cow or Allah and still have the same results, doesn't make any of them the real god.
@APMC you're right, thats because only Jesus is the true God. I don't know if you have any kids, but the way the world is headed, with drag queens indoctrinating kids and doctors mutilating kids, we need God more than ever.
That’s really amazing to hear!
@@MrWackydoodles There is a God with evidence and proof.
@@juliabriggs1141 which God?
I love your conversations. Thank you for sharing.
Also, for faith… is there anything that couldn’t be believed on faith? Is there a mechanism that is used to root out the wrong or bad beliefs when employing faith? If not, then faith is a bad way to determine truth, especially if you’re going to then structure your life around that belief.
Not that this is important, but (presumably due to the camera angle) Kristi looks like she's only 22 years old in this video! 🙂
EASY ON THE EYES ALSO.
Lots to unpack here.. I'm about half way through, and need to step in.
First, Bertrand/Whitehead proved that 1+1 may not equal 2.
Even the earliest texts we have are hundreds of years after Jesus walked the earth.
There are so many gospels from the same time as those included in the the Bible were discarded as not worthy
Again, why did god send himself to kill himself? I just don’t get it 😊
To protect you from himself
We blaspheme God by uttering the most despicable and vile things against him and then curse him when he withdraws his graces. We ungrateful sinners treat God with so much scorn and malice then question why hell will be our eternal abode. Suicide is a sin and Jesus didn’t sin, he suffered for our sake so that we may have eternal life.
@@juliabriggs1141Cool story.
@@juliabriggs1141 have you read the Bible ? God killed children by having them mauled by a bear 🐻, killed lots wife for looking back at sodom and Gomorrah, had his followers kill women children and even animals in the Old Testament, made a woman marry a man who raped her… I could go on, does this seem to you an unconditionally loving being ?
It was a penalty that God took on himself, so you can have a relationship with him through Christ, and have forgiveness for your sins.
New sub! I've binged your videos all day and Idk if I'm agnostic now or not. I always believed. I wasn't ever that religious. Tried to go to church and it didn't stick. I still sort of believed but made up a God in my head. And then recently started believing God is essentially energy and just love itself. Not a "him" at all or anything like that. Energy. Karma etc. But now idk what I believe. And it's not a bad thing! You have some amazing points. And whoever you talked to here had NO GOOD POINTS! And most time deflected and didn't even answer the questions.
And the fact she only believes because she found religion when she was weak and it made her feel better... SCREAMS CULT! CUTL! CULT! RUUUNN! Religion is a trap! I've just come to my own realization that I have felt so alone in life because of my horrible family but I relied on still believing in God or karma etc. Because it made me feel less alone. Even tho I wasn't religious, that "cult-like" mentality was still there. I'm good on my own. I always have been! Thank you for waking me up!
I wish post Atheism would catch on.
It's basically, you believe in God I don't, let's go have a beer.
0:00-- QUESTION #1:
*"Why is belief the measure for what happens to your eternal soul."*
Firstly, we must understand that _Belief_ in God, to God (as explained in the Bible), is not about believing that He exists. That's a given. Because of the evidence. (I will present that evidence to you in another comment, or video). *The primary aspect of "Belief" in the Bible regarding God and Jesus the Son of God is about trusting Him. Many people believe God exists. But they do not TRUST/BELIEVE in Him. Many think He's a liar or wicked like Satan is known to be.*
_For example: A woman my have a spouse whom she believes in. The primary thing she means to convey by that statement, "I believe in him," is not that she believes he exists. No. What she means is that she trusts him, trusts in him, and supports his goals and intentions. A different woman may have a husband whom she does not believe in. She does not trust him, does not trust in him, nor does she support his goals and intentions. She does not believe in him._
A woman who believes in her husband will be harmonious to his agenda.
A woman who does not believe in her husband will be destructive to his agenda.
Do you see?
ANSWER to Question #1:
*Not believing/trusting in God is the measure for what happens to your eternal soul in a universe that God the Father created, because that person will disregard His words and instructions against the good of themselves and others. The primary thing that God tells us to do is love one another. How would things be if everyone loved one another? Things would be great of course! But so many people do not trust in God enough to even do that. So, God is not going to have people around who are unwilling to love one another. Those who prefer to hate one another will have their place with all the other haters of their fellowman. (Sort of like the prisons where there are hateful criminals kept away from the society of peaceful law-abiding citizens.) God will not have hateful people in His kingdom. There is simply no place for them in Paradise. They would ruin it.*
A child who does not believe in or trust his/her father will do many things against their counsel and possibly ruin their own life as well as others'.
Be well!
According to God, Christians are said to go through fiery trails, tried by fire, and their souls are being tormented now (such as is said of Lot). However, the fire, although real, is not natural fire. It is spiritual (immaterial) fire.
"For while that righteous man was living among them day after day, *he was tormented in his righteous soul* by the lawless deeds that he saw and heard." --2 Peter 2:8
*The righteous experience torment of soul now.*
*The wicked will experience torment of the soul later.*
Some people seem to not understand that if God simply withdrew the things from their lives that they enjoy everyday (which they never give Him credit for anyway)-- that alone would be torment. And people confined with other rebels would be gnashing their teeth in regret after realizing the simplicity of God's requirements which they refused. *Love one another.*
The existence of God is not a given; it is a claim. The Bible is a book consisting almost entirely of claims and very little evidence to back them up. Before you try to explain the subtle nuances of the proper way to approach God, convince me that he exists.
@@Flockmeister There is already evidence.
@@Flockmeister Test your capacity-- God and the Bible aside, first please think to yourself and then explain *what evidence could make it **_obvious_** to **_you personally_* that ancient men far superior in intellect and power than modern men once walked this earth.
(If you are able to answer thoughtfully and correctly about circumstantial evidence regarding man, you will also be able to discern the obvious evidence of God.) I look forward to your thoughtful reply!
@@FlockmeisterThere's alot of evidence. You have to look into it. Keeping an open mind will help.
The woman in the discussion said that Christianity was the only religion where someone did something for people doesn't understand the Mahayana Buddhist idea of the bodhisattva. There is some overlap between schools of Buddhism and Christianity (the more mystically oriented ones, anyway). The bodhisattva is a "spiritually mature person" who seeks to help others when they have no particular benefit for doing so--except in a macro sense of betterment of and compassion for all. Some would see Jesus (aka Yeshua) as a bodhisattva looking through Buddhist eyes. It is about compassionate motivations and actions, not subscribing to a laundry list of beliefs.
Trying to reason with Christian logic is so fustrating 🥴
Trying to reason with atheistic logic is so frustrating.
there is a book called Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Michael Baigent. In it you can read about how a patsy was being hung on a cross and not Jesus. He in the book says how was on the side laughing at them. His real tomb is in chadue De Rein France.
This caller is so condescending, but they're a Christian so I repeat myself
I love the thought that the real one true god actually condemns believers to hell and anyone who's skeptical and doesn't believe, gets into heaven. So I'm just gonna stick to not believing, atheists go to heaven instead of believers yayyyy!
Ok, someone comes to MY home knocks on my door then begins to tell me why I am bad and need to join their church and believe in God. Simple response your accusation and wasting my time requires evidence or do not come to me telling me about your favorite fairy tale.
There are two basic ways to argue against a particular religion. First, the backward approach, show that the process to come to the conclusions are faulty, lacks reason or evidence, depends on false premises, baseless assumptions, logical fallacies, etc. The second way is the forward approach, accept the arguments faulty approach, but use counterfactuals, show that the same arguments work with every other religion and deity including ones that contradict a person's preferred religion. Notice William Lane Craig's Kalam Cosmological Argument was developed to support Allah using the same arguments, not the Christian God. He doesn't seem to ever point this out. Kristi does a terrific job of employing both these methodologies. Keep up the great work!
That's the problem! Religion should be rational and also provides spiritual relief if this religion is true. Religions can be ranked on this criteria pretty well and this will help people understand the true path. It needs learning and dedication to find the truth as it is out there and there are many academic efforts, lectures, debates etc.
As I said before, having a godless world is very dark and dangerous because we will have a depressive and chaotic world without a divine helper, no justice, no rules, no spiritual satisfaction and no fear of a supreme God who will provide justice and will hold all of us accountable for our deeds and actions. This is the biggest and first reason for me to believe in God.
You'll have to demonstrate the existence of a soul first.
I agree.
@@jezebelvibes you can't remember anything before you were born why should you remember anything after you die
The Christian lady just proved that you can't make sense out of nonsense
Not 'belief' as in concepts.
Belief as in 'switch of one's will to accept relationship with God'.
That has always been the choice: to trust in the Creator, that he knows the good for us, or to be our own gods and create our own realities.
It's a bit difficult to accept a relationship with God when you don't believe he exists.
@@rhrrtt Exactly. That's why God doesn't come to us through concepts alone, rather through direct experience. One must then make a choice to accept or go one's own way.
@@stephenbailey9969 What sort of "direct experience"? That's a bit vague.
@@rhrrttIt's through his word, circumstances, other people, and the Holy Spirit. Those events that just don't naturally occur.
@@kevinmalone3210 Neither the Bible, circumstances, other people, or anything I might remotely interpret as being the Holy Spirit has ever convinced me of the existence of a Christian God ... and even if it had, how would I distinguish the significance of any of these things from just being something in my imagination?
One thing that's evident from the comments is that there's considerable disagreement about what's required for salvation. Given how critical salvation is supposed to be, (i.e. you'd at best risk permanent misery if you got things wrong) you'd think God would have made the process crystal clear!
Personally I don’t think it makes sense like much of Christianity theology. I also ask all the same questions and see endless dilemmas and ethical problems. Going one step further with belief being the basis of salvation I also question how the timing of a the belief (just before you happen to die) also becomes the basis.
Millions of testimonies!
By millions of fairy-tale believers who do SO WANT to believe... Self-deception is the easiest thing in the world to do when you really, REALLY WANT to believe something!
There were testimonies from “eye witnesses” of Caesar having been raised from the dead, too. Do you believe he was? The human brain is perfectly capable of believing the unbelievable.
@@theseustoo I second that.
ALSO IN MOST RELIGIONS. 😂😂😂😂
@@theseustoo Why would they want to believe something that tells them to die to themselves daily and to put themselves last?
Listening to these people, I'm torn between feeling sorry for their weakness and hating them for their stupidity.
We feel sorry for you too but love you despite your stupidity..