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I think it is a vastly complicated issue. I could write a whole novel about it. it is not anyone groups fault, but society. I am so blessed that I have a job, a family who cares for me, 3 Close friends, and a amazing woman by my side. Im set. Which is why it pains me that my friends are lonely. I know how good it feels to be loved. Something my friends are desprately grasping for.
I think that the lack of value placed on community has caused a lot of these issues. In countries where the "village raises the child" they still have a stable understanding of masculinity, examples like Indonesia, Egypt, Malaysia, Eastern Europe, etc have a more purposeful group of men. Countries that are a lot more individualistic tend to follow this downward trend. Just knowing your neighbours can help a little
If culture repeatedly hammers down to men that they are toxic and not needed, they will eventually believe it and stop trying. Society needs strong, dignified, kind, and reliable men.
That's what's happening now. Men have been beaten down and told this for at least a decade now. Men's large participation in hook-up culture, male loneliness, "where are all the good men", passport bros, MGTOW are all examples of men adapting to what we've been told over and over for the past decade+. Men don't want to settle down? Adaptation. Men going abroad to find wives? Adaptation. Men not willing to approach, pay for dates, etc.? Adaptation. And now that men have adapted to this point, it's going to take a whole damn lot to get us out of it.
Most people don’t think men themselves are toxic. Most people are referring to a certain brand of masculinity that is toxic. It’s probably a misnomer to call it “masculinity” at all but I’m sure it’s for lack of a better word. It refers to the kind that discourages expressing emotion and encourages dominance and exerting power, especially im ways that result in hurting those that are weaker. It can lead to abuse, assault, and harassment. If you are not displaying this kind of “masculinity”, you are not toxic
Yeah I know what you're saying but just remember the silent majority doesn't think that way. It's just the loud ones spreading that poison that are heard, unfortunately
@@potentfade5664Shit I don’t feel safe anyways man. Half my buddies been mugged at night going to the store. Men are more likely to be attacked any way, we’re just better at defending ourselves
@@QuesoBueso very true. I still do stuff at night because I'm not willing to let the possibility of bad shit stop me from getting stuff done but where I live I have to have my wits about me at all times if I'm out at night
@@marianafeliciano6601 And we are talking about how it’s not an exclusive feeling for women to be afraid at night. It’s human nature to be afraid of the dark, since childhood. The dangers of the unknown. Men get attacked more than women at night, murdered, mugged, etc. and women are more assaulted and taken advantage of unfortunately. It’s not a competition, no matter who you are there is a chance something could happen.
It’s laughable how that’s always the one thing they point out. I’m a guy and I have no interest walking out at night and I probably would never walk out at night unless absolutely necessary. Do women think men just walk out at night like robots or something lol
The sad irony in women saying”masculinity is bad because men don’t talk about there feelings” is that, a lot of the time when men voice their emotions or talk about the struggles of being a man, those same women will laugh and down play your issue as not being real. I find men are more supportive of me opening up emotionally rather than women, I’ve had girlfriends laugh at me being upset
It's also a fact that men deal differently with struggles and emotions than women. Men are generally more problem oriented and women are more emotionally oriented.
It's sad woman will claim they do want you to do that but from my experience and everyone I see online it's a very different story when it actually happens.
Her : “toxic masculinity is keeping men from talking about their feeling Men : talks about any struggle of men Her : “why are you being such a snowflake and emotional?” It’s not toxic masculinity that keeps us quiet, it’s society blaming us for all the world issues and then shaming us when we try reach out
I love when woman, who aren’t men, say masculinity is bad and “toxic” and they believe they have the right to call it that. But when you call into question femininity in any way, you have to be a woman to explain and deduce it in any way. Double standards are UNREAL
In itself we all have our own prejudices on a gender which is completely normal, the problem is when someone refuse to listen and be more understanding. That’s how you create stupid people who only know how to shout “toxic masculinity” to find something to blame for all their problems in life. So yea, if someone tells you that toxic masculinity exists but toxic femininity doesn’t, and they are not willing to discuss, just ignore them.. most women aren’t like that, from what I see it’s mostly in the USA
@@rose-yeahwhy do you think he is popular? He’s the first guy to act like an asshole towards you feminists, and all feminists have been assholes for at least a decade to all men. Of course he’s popular, the way trump was a popular f you to the political elite. People resist your tyrannical oppression, cry about it.
@@rose-yeahWhen Tate or any men call out double standards, women and the media demonize them, just like you are doing. So, you have no point until those things stop happening.
A perfect example of toxic vs positive masculinity is the movie Tarzan. Clayton is rude, brash, bragging, and violent. Tarzan is kind, strong, protective, and chooses peace over violence. Tarzan is still super masculine. He’s also a good person. That’s what we lose sight of sometimes. It’s not about whether you’re masculine or not, it’s about whether your kind or not. Another great example of positive masculinity is Aragorn in the LOTR movies. He’s kind, strong, protective without being rude and authoritative.
I agree with you. The problem is that modern day women would look at Tarzan’s masculine traits and automatically assume he is just like Clayton. Women see masculinity and equate it to being rude and/or brash.
One example by Tarzan that I think is a great example of positive masculinity: when he wanted to be able to communicate with Jane and company he actually put effort into learning their language and culture. Clayton? *Pushes drawing of gorilla into Tarzan's face* Clayton: GORILLA. Tarzan: GORILLA. *ignores Clayton and goes to the good people* Tarzan actually puts effort into learning other cultures and Clayton was loud and rude. That's why Tarzan is the better man.
Rude, brash, bragging and violent? Jeez, you literally described my mother perfectly. People need to understand that all of these traits are in fact HUMAN traits.
TBH, Gen, you are a positive male role model. You don't just take a side and repeat the rhetoric of that side, you question the questions themselves and seeks both sides and average people to learn.
Reality is not 'two sided'. Our culture is 'two sided'. Two sided thinking presumes something like a coin toss effect AND/OR one side is CORRECT. Two options is appealing, because it OVERSIMPLIFIES. This is the problem with 'dualism'. In reality there are all kind of options, choices, and differences; this can be overwhelming if one doesn't know what they want or they can not afford their option/choice. There is NO "averaging" unless you have decided/determined that the input is concluded and finite....two sided in your case. In a coin toss one has to ASSUME the coin is perfectly weighted along the axies to get a 50-50% 'average'....Speaking of gender, the hermaphrodite PROVES a third option (hundreds of other genetic options DO HAPPEN) not an average, and the two sided gender argument is demonstrated to be flawed in its hypothesis. Check out genetics some times, one will learn their are HUNDREDS of genetic outcomes: Some will have BOTH "gender" bits, some will have one visible "gender" fleshy bit and the OPPOSITE internal reproductive bit, Down Syndrome, etc. TWO OPTIONS? Oh, oversimplification dictates there are two sides and all others are tossed in a pit, like the Spartans did? Averaging based on TWO sides is more of a practice of misguided oversimplification that concludes incorrectly. Dualism can easily lead to belligerence, intolerance, and being severely misguided in forming a question about reality.
No he isn't at the end of the video he said that we should encoruage females to be strong and independent which is not only not possible, but that's also what feminism is.
@@Nope991 What is "strong"? Physically? Able to not be bothered by men that group them? Enjoy cat calling? Being the 34th virgin in a 72 virgin harem? Doing what the man says with STRENGTH? WTH does "strong" mean? imply? Accept? do? On the word "independent", by whose standard? Can they be in love with another women? Can they say something that offends you? Who or what do they have to be DEPENDENT on still?
The thing I really love about you is that you make these "asking on the streets" videos. But unlike everyone else, you chose NOT to focus on the people who act out and get mad, no you instead chose the actual conversations. It's amazing to see that in a time where almost everyone is so polarised, I salute you, keep doing what you do, it's amazing to watch.❤
@@opgroundzero2.0 This guy spapsf or whatever replied to every comment I’ve seen and pretty much just downplays male issues and experiences with “women face more and men have it easy”. He’s got childish arguments and probably a troll.
Labeling all men as toxic is basically a form of bullying. They do it for the same reason all bullies do. It's empowering. But it's also childish and pathetic
Masculinity isn't toxic. However, toxic masculinity is. It's a qualifier, not an equal. You know how there are plants, and only some of them are poisonous? And we call those "poisonous plants". I hope this helps.
When I watch a movie from 30 or 40 years ago some of it makes me cringe, society was very different then. But these people act like no progress has been made. Many of them don't realize the freedoms they now have. They are wind up clockwork activists, victimhood is power. If they were truly oppressed they wouldn't be able to make such statements, they wouldn't be allowed. There are people out there in the world who really are oppressed, its a shame they take the lime light away from them. It's just a form of vulnerable narcissism. @@seanbirch
"Masculinity isn't toxic. However, toxic masculinity is. It's a qualifier, not an equal." Funny how with everything men do that harms themselves or others, there is always a reference to masculinity (but never when men do something good), while with everything women do that harms themselves or others, there is always a reference to "society" as the culprit.
No she was yapping. Women like to say that: “Oh men are the ones who are putting the pressure on other men to become these alpha males millionaires with six packs!” Which is only slightly true because yes, men want the respect of other men but the main reason why men go after those things is because those are the types of men that beautiful women go for which is a large part of what sets the standard of what masculinity is.
@@dorikin333Not beautiful women, all women. I saw a video of a girl who was a 5/10 talking about how she deserves a man like Travis Kelce. Travis Kelce is a 6'5" football superstar with a $40 million dollar net worth who is dating a billionaire. She said she's tired of "dusty Hinge men". That's how women view normal men that are on their level. "dusty."
10 years ago I saw this trend of yelling at men for being toxic and constant negative reinforcement. I talked to my husband back then how this isn't going to help boys and it will cause so many issues. Since then I have been trying to raise my daughters to be respectful towards men in addition to teaching them how to be strong and independent females. Society needs to stop bringing down one group of people to improve another group.
So they yelled at them for no reason? Also compared to your one video 10 years ago there's hundreds of thousands of videos where the same thing happens to women in countless countries like iran or honduras, people are gonna get tired of it eventually.
@@bananabandit2 Women shouldn't NEED men in a romantic standpoint. We have our own goals and things we want to see and get through in life, it doesn't revolve around how men see or want us. All young women should be taught to have a back bone, be independent, and high self esteem.
@@claff4573Read my comment again I never said you need us in a romantic standpoint. I said needing men in general on this planet. We are protectors and providers even not in relationships. If you're getting attacked on the street I promise another women isn't coming to help it would be a man. Same thing goes for a lot of other things its not a romantic thing its men and women working together in society. That's why I said don't raise them to say they don't need a man because we need to help each other not hate each other.
I've worked in childcare a few years back at an elementary school. I was there to keep an eye on kids whose parents were still at work after school ended. I helped them when they hurt themselves, broke up en reconciled fights and made sure they had the best time possible. One time, a 4 year old girl came up to me to ask me if I could help her going to the bathroom. Her parents apparently didn't think potty training was important. So I helped her, she thanked me afterwards and started playing again. A few days after that, I got called over by my 'supervisor' (don't know the exact translation) because the girl's parents complained about what I did. I, a man, was alone with a 4 year old girl in a bathroom. I was forbidden to ever help any kid again with going to the bathroom. The girl I helped before peed her pants twice before I decided to help her again. I was fired afterwards. If you want men to take on more 'feminine' jobs, maybe try to get rid of the horrible stigmas around men first. Men usually don't like being made out for pedophiles for just doing their job. And in my case, I was actually doing my job while my female coworkers used their time to just chat with each other until all kids were picked up, not even caring the slightest bit about the children they were supposed to take care of. They still had their jobs while I got fired.
@@neoglacius I should've never gotten that warning to begin with. According to the parents, it wasn't a problem if a woman helped their child with her bathroom troubles. Without knowing anything about the situation, they labeled me as a pedophile. I wasn't at fault for being the only one willing to care for that child and I absolutely didn't deserve that label they gave me. And since I was the only one actually doing my job, no one else could've been present there with me because my coworkers refused to help her. I might've disregarded my warning, but any caring person would do the same if they saw a 4 year old cry with soaked pants not once, but twice. If a doctor saw someone going in cardiac arrest without a nurse present, they'd take action too instead of patiently waiting for a nurse while a person is dying.
@@bigtrolly im not talking about what it should be , but about what it is, and the reality is that you have extra equipment to make stuff that fems dont, same for babysitting, you have more strength so giving you access to homes increases the harm risk... this is just plain facts and it matters regardless of the 'what if', in the same way if fems would stop liking and demanding money there wont be more wars, but they wont stop liking it, right?
I think you did the right thing. You helped the girl with good intent. The employer and the parents is not doing there job. Lazy parent are the worst letting the IPad raise their children.
The girl saying how girls judge other girls is so true, sadly. Like these days, if you want to live life the "old" way, people HATE it and try to tear you apart for it. And as she mentioned, if you want to live as a "house wife" people attack you for it. I enjoy living as the house wife in my relationship, because of a few aspects in my life. We live in a big city (meaning, more crime!), I have really bad social anxiety (so working in person is kind of hard for me) and cleaning (FOR ME personally), is very relaxing. Plus, I love to cook! And if anyone thinks this is super toxic of me to enjoy this lifestyle.... You need to get a life! :D I am harming no one and am living comfortably, and my bf is more than okay with working. Plus, I sell homemade things online! So I too, am making money, without the added stress of having to leave home all day.
So you make money. Why not call yourself a business person??? Why are you labeling yourself as something you are not ? You aren’t married or depending 100% financially on your husband.Why housewife , my boyfriend doesn’t have a stable job and call himself unemployed. Why does it change because you have a vagina?
Theres nothing masculine about the weakness that causes someone to victimize others. Masculinity is competence, resilience, confidence, strength, restraint and emotional control. We need more masculinity
I never really understood that argument that victimizing others means you're weak. We wouldn't call the predators of ecosystems weak, and they certainly do victimise their prey. Some even kill just for entertainment, not even for food (felines, for example). Strength is very simple, it is power relative to others and your environment. That is what we could call 'practical strength'. A tyrant playing with the lives of villagers he just captured. He can, because he has the ability to decide their fate. The strength you speak of isn't so much practical, as it is idealistic. You've fused nobility, morality and self-sacrifice (a quality commonly associated with strength, even though it goes against the practical definition of it. It is usually the 'fodder' and the expendables that 'self-sacrifice for the cause'. The plebs, so to speak) with courage, ambition, vision and pride. Victimizing others is always an action done on those that seem to the victimizer to be weaker than him/her. You can call him cowardly, but it has been proven that when you are humiliated, humiliating another in responsable will reduce the negative health consequences of humiliation (stress, cardiovascular disease, and most clesrly proven, stomach ulcers). You effectively pass on the your stress to another, and protect yourself. The moral code you speak of is very christian. Just like Jesus that was treated poorly during his life but did not seek revenge and just accumulated humiliation, insult and injury, you try to collect them in yourself, thinking that it won't harm you at all...but it does.
Why do these traits have to be gendered, though? “Masculinity” as a set of personality traits is an old fashioned myth. That’s why it isn’t valued in society anymore. It’s inaccurate. Women (and men) without an ounce of masculinity in them can be competent, resilient, strong, restrained, and emotionally controlled, too. There’s no mechanism that ties having a penis to having certain psychological traits. It’s just another way to divide the genders. We don’t need more “masculinity”. We need more emotionally healthy adults who have emotional regulation skills, resilience, and a strong degree of mastery. It has nothing do with gendered stereotypes. We need *less* of those, not more.
@WAZZA1235 I don't necessarily see it this way, but as a compromise, you can basically break anything in evolutionary psychology down into a cost-benefit analysis. Whether it's a Jaguar hunting prey in the jungle or a human predator looking for a victim, there is a cost that they gamble in order to benefit from their actions. Animals can not weigh the suffering of their prey into the cost of their actions. They weigh their own effort and risks but not the well-being of the other animal. If they could, the benefit of...continuing to live is too high. Human predators are usually aware of the suffering they cause, but weigh it so much lower than the temporary feeling of power of gratification they stand to gain. Being social creatures, engaging in this anti-social behavior where you victimize others is either the result of weakness or inevitably ends in weakness where you are the pariah of the tribe. Yeah I see it in a more idealistic light than just that, but I see no problem with striving towards an ideal while trying to be aware of reality
@purplewitchtarotanddivinat5680 I'll bite. The main difference is typically agreeableness vs disagreeableness. Men tend to be more disagreeable and have less impulse control, so it is more desirable that they have the above traits so that they benefit their loved ones and community. Not everyone is a caricature of masc/fem or fits entirely neatly into a box, but there are clear scientific behavioral delineations between men and women that are consistent with genetic predispositions, not the product of environmental factors. Speaking broadly is sometimes required. If you're trying to fix a car, you don't fully disassemble it. You make broad analysis until you hone in on the problem.
@@AlexM-oq5el The difference is only moderate, though. Women rate higher in agreeableness on average, but those effects are only moderate. It doesn’t mean that there’s a masculine personality or a feminine personality. It doesn’t mean that women=agreeable and men=disagreeable. It means that statistically women are somewhat more agreeable than men. That’s not a personality type. It’s a minor variation. You’re also making a leap by asserting that these differences are biologically based. Scoring higher on agreeableness doesn’t mean that women are born naturally more agreeable. It could simply mean women are socially conditioned to be more conscious of other people’s feelings due to strong gendered socialization that begins from infancy. Nurture vs. nature. We don’t fully know. There’s a greater variance in personality traits between two people of the same gender than there are between people of different genders. This can even be seen in brain studies. There’s no male brain or female brain, but, rather, each brain is it’s own unique mosaic. Personality is the same. I don’t disagree that men in particular would benefit from greater emotion regulation and self-control. What I don’t understand is the insistence on making those traits inherently “masculine” when they’re just neutral personality traits. Why do they need to be pointlessly gendered? Why can’t people just be who they are without the gendered stereotypes?
Thorfinn from Vinland Saga for me is a perfect example of masculinity and the road to it. Starting really angry and confused but becoming kind, reborn and wise but still physically and mentally strong to stand up for himself and for the people around him.
Same with Hashirama. He is a strong leader who takes care of his people but is soft enough to show his emotions and sacrifice himself for his best friend
But that's not an argument against fighting, is it? It's an argument against the concept of war. There may not be winners, but there certainly are losers.
Masculinity itself is not toxic, Just as Femininity itself is not toxic. IMO Masculinity is about achieving mastery over one's body and mind and being a pillar of strength for people around them. Family/Friends. EDIT: I just want to add that achieving mastery over body and mind is a never ending journey. So I guess I would say striving for mastery over body and mind.
Well that's definitely true, shouldn't women also strive for mastery over body and mind? I can't have a weak woman by my side that hasn't worked on herself and crumbles instantly at the face of stress and road blocks
Mastery, isn't singular, nor is it generally definitive. Ones version of MASTERY is not anothers, yet many tend to believe that their "mastery" goals and ambitions SHOULD be the others. For instance, I don't want Gym Rat "mastery", nor do I want its many varying forms of social "mastery" behaviors...bro, are you Natty? CRINGE. The topic of "masculinity" is SO full of hormones that its unrealistic to expect the ability to converse with other rhoided OPINION that its OBVIOUSLY a construct...to which, you are seeking to use "mastery" as some method to bring back a rationalizing affect on a subject that is STILL just a construct; not a fundamental.
So if you don't have friends/family then you are less of a man? Funny how when you question the basics of masculinity/feminity they fall apart almost instantly. Almost like they're weak concepts we should I away with
Growing up, I was a skinny, sensitive, creative, highly intelligent kid. Not necessarily feminine but a lot of typical guy's stuff I didn't take an interest in. My dad is a typical macho, hard-working construction labourer. We had nothing in common. You could say that the masculinity my dad was portraying and teaching was toxic to a boy like I was and our relationship suffered because of it. For the most part, I drew to my mom. As I grew older I turned more and more into an incel. Highly educated, actually quite handsome and not even shy around women but I was so afraid of hurting someone that I sabotaged my own love life. At some point it got so bad that I had to change something and I did. I overcame my fears and decided to risk hurting people to have my shot at love. I "manned up". I was born-again masculine and it completely changed my life. I found my wife. We started a family. My career went through the roof. I'm not even the most masculine guy you'll ever meet. But masculinity saved my life. There's two sides of that coin. And I'm now as close with BOTH my parents as I ever could be.
Taking risks is not inherently a masculine trait, but it sure is very common to our gender. Hence why men live shorter lives than women. And yes, hard decisions will risk hurting people in the process but we have to decide in order to move forward. We have to risk the world hating us in order to make it better, ironically.
I’m wondering if your mom was overly protective and hovering on you as a kid??? I just think the person that makes life easier on you would be preferred to a kid over the person that challenges you, and a lot of times moms use their kids as an outlet for their emotional needs … which is ok when they’re babies, but then moms need to let go when it’s time for their babies to grow up. Dads need to take the prime spot in adolescence so they can teach kids how to be strong out there in the world.
@@nicoledickerson9516 I never really thought of my mom as overprotecting but I suddenly realize she might have been. I'll think about this for a while, thank you for the insight.
That's what I did too. I had ok to good results in my job, but it had no effect whatsoever on women. They still tried everything possible to avoid me. I still never had a second date at now soon 45.
@Irishriden2005 At some point I decided that something had to change at all costs because I was depressed and flirting with suicide. I decided that I was the main source of all my problems. Not others. Not women. Not society. Not misfortune. From now on, I would accept full responsibility. It is hard to tell you a game plan, I think it is very personal as I don't know what your specific problem is. If I had to generalise it I would say: "stop feeling sorry for yourself and start doing the things that scare you". Stop avoiding failure. Take risks. Look at your idol, whoever that may be and see how much he or she has failed in life. Make it a new goal to have failed attempts to better your situation as much as you can. “It's not how many times you get knocked down that count, it's how many times you get back up.” Stop caring what others may think. The people that judge the most have the shittiest lives themselves. Maybe all of this is cliché self help stuff... some Tony Robbins/dr Phil bullshit sounding lines. But it works. It's the thing I can say that helps.
Bro, I'm in my 30s and male - I'm a classic dude: I smoke, drink, listen to metal, call everyone "dude, man, bro," etc. I went back to school for a bit and ended up at a garbage "art school" - it was more of a business. During my last quarter there, the first quarter back in-person, I started talking to this bird and had a mental breakdown. When I told her I had a legitimate mental breakdown, this broad who preached "My writing is for the marginalized, I want to affect change for mental health," etc., this jagweed told me: "You're a 30 y/o man. Grow the fuck up."
I'm so proud of this channel, just some months ago not even a year i started watching it and it had like just some thousands of subs. and his hard work on consistency is really paying off. it feels good
We NEED each other! Both masculinity and femininity are glorious in their own opposity ways. That's what makes it so beautiful and why we can work so perfectly with one another. Love requires work and patience from both parties. There is nothing more satisfying than when you know you truly need each other and you choose to strengthen that love and bond.
Unfortunately we’re tearing both down and it’s causing massive issues, including this very issue he’s talking about. Yet these people think it needs to be dismantled even more and blurred until there is no difference between the two sexes. This gender/trans shit is just another way to tear down evolutionary and societal gender roles.
It is time for our society to outgrow the simplistic idea of toxic masculinity. The more we are polarized, the worse it is for us. The key is to find the balance. More love, less war :)
A nation divided, cannot stand. So sad because in the early 2000s I though we were making real progress towards a more harmonious colorblind society but we're more divided now than we have been since the Civil rights movement. Racism (mainly targeted towards white men) has made a really big comeback. We live in possibly one of most abysmal socially accepted times and I think looking back a few decades we are going to be truly ashamed of what our western world came to be during this era.
War will always happen, and when it does, you’re going to need this “icky” masculinity. The only people complaining about masculinity are those who are privileged and don’t recognize where masculinity helps society because they don’t see it in their cushy offices and homes.
I think we, as a society, have lost the 'work to become the best you can be' method of personal and professional growth for 'discover who you are and it's society's fault if you aren't successful' stagnation of purpose.
you're absolutely right, we've lost that mentality. but can you really blame us for losing the value of hard work, when lazy, stupid, undeserving, or corrupt people keep getting all of the big rewards? and the hardworkers are left with little?
@@ecw613 also true. it's just challenging these days to inspire the youth incl boys with that principle, but we have to. esp these days when helpless victims are revered more than against-all-odds heroes
@@tobaccoffee506When you only focus on what you get, you are selfish, just like those lucky people are. Focus on the responsibilities you need to take to get what you want.
The best lie I hear every feminist saying is „men can feel save when going out alone at night“ like no, we don’t feel save. Everytime I go alone at night in a scetchy area I basically know that there is a huge potential that I might get robbed, beaten and killed. most victims of violent crimes on the streets are after all men…
They are if they end up in a fight LOL We women have to pay attention way more than you, how can you say you don’t know why we feel that way? There are dangerous people everywhere but come on, we women have it worse if we go out alone at night
@@Melodysupporter technically, statisticaly speaking there is higher chance of men being attacked then women when outside, majority of all rape is usually done by someone you know, not by a stranger on a street. Also its true that basically majority of men are cautious when going outside at night. The guy above just mentioned he dont understand where women get the idea men can feel save. Because its simply not true. You could argue sexual asault is worse then being victim of other violent crime, but that differs from person to person. And regardless, men have it also worse in other situations then women. I believe both genders have their own struggles, comparing which one have it worse doesnt make sense since you dont know what is like to be the other gender.
@@projektava9385 i can’t stand being scared when I walk alone, a lot of women get raped by men and NO they don’t know them so wtf are you talking about? Also we’re not able to defend ourselves physically against a man so obviously we have it worse and worry more than a man. If people want to steal your phone they will do it regardless of whether you are man or woman but it’s easier to target women, not to mention that I’ve barely heard of men being sexually assaulted on the streets, it’s always women It’s just that it’s scarier to be by yourself if you’re a woman
@@Melodysupporter Men are way more likely to get robbed, stabbed or killed on the streets. and no the problem isnt us picking those fights. got beaten up twice altho I just tried to run. they wanted my phone + wallet and they would have killed for it i think lol I dont like this marathon for "whos the most oppressed gender" either. terrible things happen to both sexes and I dont know why people try to be like: yea but were more oppressed, when in today society everyone has the same chances
The idea that men can just wander around safely at night is so ridiculous. Well YEAH but I gotta carry a freedom dispenser and have at at least one homie with me ready to pop off like c'mon 🤣
exactly. This is one of the most prevalent problems I see with modern feminism; how it overshadows men's issues, breeding a, "look at all the problems we woman face while men have it all fine and dandy" mentality.
In reality, it's men who are seen as meat. That's why they're thrown into those meat-grinders we call wars. Women are seen more like gems: Valued for their presence (not utility or sustenance), and requiring protection from damage and theft.
I agree that not even men can wander safely at night, it is just that we have a better instinct for danger and are more aware of our surroundings compared to women. I'd call it hunter instinct, which men were dominantly throughout history.
@@halbaloney4593 right, and its honestly not warrentless. It comes from the bare biological fact that men are more expendable. A singular woman can only produce offspring every so often, while a male can imprepregnate multiple woman as much as possible. From an evolutionary perspective, woman quite literally are more precious, while the men are less valuable. Now this is not to say we should treat each other in such a way, but it's incredibly fascinating to see how these biological roots play out in our modern day society.
Yeah, one time a couple of guys attacked me and my bro while we were in his car because they crossed the road dangerously and cut right in front of us. My friend blared the horn at them, because he got scared he was about to run over them, and these mfs started hitting the car and shout angrily at us. I was ready to throw punches, but my friend just ran away (which was wise of him). This was during the day. Man or woman, you can never be safe outside if you stumble upon a psycho.
My male role model was my grandpa. He was an down to earth honest man who worked his body to the bone to provide for his family and yes he did make mistakes in raising my dad but he grew older and there was a time where I started to have deep talks with him where he did confess his faults and he did learn from those faults. My granddad was someone who I never did see cry often but during those talks was the first time I saw him cry... The only other time was after the death of my grandma... He followed her short after but I believe that I will see them again after it's my time to follow the Valkyries into Odin's halls, stay strong friends and watch out for each other we can see a better future for us all
Right?! I dislike Tate's views and the leftist ones disgust me, finally a sensible and nuanced take on this issue. I hope more people and especially teenage kids watch this, I think they need it.
What one of the ladies said about valuing our men more is golden. Each sex hating the other only breeds more hurt, loneliness, and dissatisfaction on both sides. Let’s learn to love and respect men in society more and be there for them. We need them just as much as they need us.
“People who transition from woman to man, they get interrupted less, people care about what they say” You forgot to add the part where guys will hold you at arms length and girls will hold you at skyscraper’s length. Everyone has their guard up around you, and the only way to get it down is to either become really good friends with someone or turn gay or female so women will treat you like a respectable, trustworthy human being again
Or maybe trying to become independent (also financially) , skilled, emotionally stable and valid member of the society. If a man does that then it will create for itself a place where it can be appreciated and not seen as a threat to others or a failure. And this can be done by taking risks, putting the efforts in something, dedicating yourself to an activity and finding the strength within yourself. All these women talking about masculinity have no idea that this is what men should do to not be seen as a failure, but they still feel like telling men what to do, without realizing the damage they can do to people.
Youre never gonna shame the toxic out of people. Trying to fight "toxic masculinity" by shaming men, blaming men, and treating men like shit is only going to breed more internalized hate into men and more seperation between eachother
the woman saying men should just ask for help sent me bro. whenever they do all they get in reply is "bUt iF yOU wErENt ToXIC MaScULiNItY maYbE U WouLD Be HaPpY"
Nah, men who ask for help dusky get it. The people who shame them for asking are both men and women. Men tell other men they aren’t being men, and women tell men they are weak. You must be chronically online if you think what you wrote is true.
Addressing the role of fathers by Richard at about 14:30 is bang on. Both young boys and young girls need their fathers, and they need them to be masculine fathers. Both boys and girls learn emotional maturity and resiliency from their fathers, playfighting is a huge factor in this, for boys AND girls. And fathers set boundaries and show children what is acceptable and what isn't, he teaches them the boundaries of acceptable social interactions, and in doing so demonstrates the kind of treatment a woman should expect from a man before she engages in a relationship, and how a man treats a woman before engaging in a relationship. Fatherless behaviour has become a term for a reason.
The lack of fathers/fatherhood in not just men but kids in general is why crime is up so high and so many people wind up not being able to go forward with life achievement
@HaggisMuncher-69-420 probably because they didn't have an influence before them, an avoidance of responsibility, "her body, her problem". The not finding purpose is a huge factor too, and the way that they may have been so put down growing up they probably don't see a point in continuing the cycle. There's a lot of research into it, I just haven't looked into it for a while
@@stardreamer625 her body her problem? That's bollocks. Women can abort on a whim, and they can divorce on the same whim as well (and take half the assets). You clearly are biased towards females
I found this channel yesterday and ive been binge watching it. I love how you're able to let people say what they want to say and voice their opinions instead of censoring it to fit yours. Its a breath of fresh air that's really inspiring. Keep it up!
Men and women, masculinity and femininity complement and balance one another. It shouldn't be framed or interpreted as a war. We're all people trying to coexist in society and need to appreciate and lean on others' strengths.
The problem with feminism has been that they try to tell women to be masculine and to compete directly with men in fields that they don't want to compete in. It assumes women are inferior, unless they can fight and battle like men, while forgetting about valuable female traits
the problem is that 65% of fems votes for toxicity in all the west and deep inside you know the wont stop with the devastation, since they push for more and more unaccountability, no society in the past survived when they got out of control without responsibility for their actions, YOU KNOW THEY WONT STOP
@@asparrow9876 Again, you're lumping a group of people together. Countless women think the same way she does, you just have not been around them because the people you are surrounding yourself with think the same way you do, hence there will be no growth. If what she said is something you agree with, you should be able to properly agree with her, instead of pointing it out as something that is faulted.
Just a nitpick, but when women say "i can't go out at night without felling unsafe", I think that's an US thing, I live in brasil, it doesn't matter the time of day you go out, you always have to stay on alert
I really loved what That guy said about how we need to elevate traditionally women’s work if we want all genders to take on that work. I work at a preschool with male teachers who are very nurturing. Men are capable of women’s work just as much as women are capable of men’s work. This is why I hate the stereotypes. When people talk about how husbands are sloppy and wives clean up after them, I can’t relate. My husband is neat and organized and helps keep me organized too. People are all different with different strengths and it really has little to do with gender.
"as much as women are capable of mens work" Eagerly awaiting you feminist simpletons to march for diversity quotas in the military draft and dangerous, dirty jobs like oil rigs and construction. Until you stop relying on men doing all the heavy lifting, I'm not going to concede that we're equal. Equal value perhaps, but certainly not equal output or equal effort.
That girl with the glasses is hilarious. She says men need to be more “feminine” and that they should express themselves more and “be themselves” then proceeds to say that most men won’t even be considered by her. That was funny asf
Yeh she totally backtracks, "be yourself, but well a better version of yourself that matches up to my requirements." In other words, don't be yourself, be someone else.
you mixed up different concepts. When she said men should be themselves, she's saying in a general sense to the general public who most likely will have nothing to do with her personally, encouraging men to break stereotypes of what a "real men" should be. When she said "considered by her" she's only talking about what she's looking for in potential mates specific to her, which is a totally different thing. Ideally she would want someone to match her standards while being themselves, so she wasn't contradicting.
@dian277 No, she did exactly what we said she did & contradicted herself. And unfortunately most women will be exactly the same. They tell you 1 thing, but in reality it's the total opposite. Women pretend that they want men to be like 1 of their girlfriends and in touch with their emotions etc. But I guarantee when they're with a man who's like that it will be a total turn off & they'll go looking for a masculine man who can control his emotions. The moral of the story is ignore what they say.
I had to take a required 4th year University class that literally taught that masculinity was inherently toxic. Also taught that gender was a spectrum. And I was scolded when I had questions going against these “theories”. Unbelievable
I think the whole obsession with genders and pronouns is being forced through very woke colleges, i never heard anybody say that there are more than 2 genders, what pronouns you use or if gender is a spectrum until recently.
@@treytox Damn... I thought you studied some kind of social sciences or something. It's insane that they teach you such stuffs which are not even rooted in Science. It's outrageous.
@@That_One_Guy434 constant attempt to feminize men and make male traits negative and female traits positive. it has to do with biological female solipsism that makes women believe the world is meant to service them in particular. one girl thought men dont express emotions while another said masculinity should be removed from society because male monkeys were too emotional and fight. kind of dumb dont you think?
'Of Boys and Men' was a great read and it's amazing that you got the opportunity to interview Richard Reeves for this video. Fantastic work as always and looking forward to your next project!
Oh my god the preasure and the responsibilities... This video reminds me of a very famous quote: "The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life." -Rocky
THANK YOU!!! A channel who actually added some nuance to the conversation. Big shout-out to you for interviewing Richard Reeves. You're becoming like the street interviewer version of Chris Williamson.
Being a good man means being the person those close to you need you to be. That doesn’t mean being what YOU believe they need it means being what THEY need. Being a good man or a good woman means sacrifice, it means service, it means love
Yeah I agree and we need this channel more than ever ! As a teacher I will tell my tell my high school students to watch it so they can have a healthy debate in class and express their personal opinion. Lots of love from France!
It is obvious to me that the internet and social media over the last 20 years has allowed both men and woman to become detached from each other, while being influenced by people they find to be correct from their online popularity.
I don't think Men and Woman have become for detached from one another per say, since back in the days it was "This is boy stuff, and this is girl stuff" and now that line has been blurred. What I think is that Men and Woman are becoming more hostile toward each other, and undermine each other's experiences
I wouldnt say detached. But I would say the large majority of women have masculinized in some way which has a net negative affect on relationships/marriage. How is a masculine women supposed to be a good partner for a man? In a perfect world masculine women pair with feminine men, however, the large majority of women look down heavily on feminine men. On the flip side a large number of men have de-masculinized to make room for women's progress only to find out feminine men are not attractive to women. If we have any hope of stabilizing society we need to re-embrace traditionalism/monogamy in some way because modernism/polygyny will de-stabilize society and make the large majority of men and women unhappy.
@@healthymindhappierlife5089 Lol. There’s no such thing as a masculine or feminine personality. It’s a myth. Masculinity and femininity only really makes sense in terms of biological sex differences. Your idea of “masculinized” has no scientific validity. “Masculine” women are fine. It seems like you’re annoyed that gendered stereotypes aren’t getting the same importance they once got before, so now you want to try to turn back time for your own personal comfort. That’s a You problem. There’s no evidence that “masculine” women are the cause of societal instability. The cause is most likely rising economic inequality + inflation + the negative impacts of social media on mental health. Your weird pseudoscientific explanation about masculinization isn’t it. Deal with it
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” ― G. Michael Hopf, Those Who Remain
It seem to me that men just like to suffer, it's really easy for men in the western world to use this quote when your home isn't a bombing ground for a dictatorship government and half of your family is gone due to war.
I can relate to many things here. My male role model is my dad - he's just an incredibly smart, high functioning person, who had a very successful medical career. He is not social at all, spends all his time in his incredibly technical medical books and barely remember birthdays and anniversary but he is quirky and fun sometimes. I kind of inherited that in a way I work in very niche areas and have very limited interests, all around tech. I do not have, nor ever had male friends and always enjoyed solitude - to work, reflect, think, rest. My current friends are all ladies, all met through my spouse. They're her friends, cousins, etc. They created a comfortable space for me, and I enjoy their company, their interests, activities ... and their conversations are very refreshing in my seemingly dull and established routine. I feel like it's an opening to a very different world, but at the same time I just can't seem to connect with guys.
Get fit, get money, get hobbies, increase intelligence, practice peace and mindfulness, give to the needy, respect others, build a brotherhood, stop watching porn and masturbating, hug your family, lead the way, take initiative, talk with a strong but supportive voice, stop addictions, moderate your behavior and most of all, Love yourself and stop needing validation/attention from others - be your own best friend, not your own worst enemy and you'll be a beast my brother. Keep strong and carry on.
Masculinity isn't toxic. Aspects of masculinity, taken to the extremes in isolation are toxic. But a true masculine person isn't just strong, uncomprimising and emotionless. He is also caring for those around him, empathetic when it is needed and open to comprimising, when possible.
millennial here. Before I was scared to talk to girls because I wanted to say the right thing and wanted them to like me. Now I'm scared to talk to girls because I don't want to be a "creep" or be toxic.
This video is very well done. Thankfully, I am a 44 year old man who largely missed the destructive feminist propaganda of the mid-2000's. I met my wife and married young. She, despite becoming an accomplished CPA, is very traditional and told me early on that she wanted to stay home and raise children. She expected me to assume the masculine role and to make decisions for the family. She runs the house, but I run the household.
this was an extremely well put together video, and this topic has loosely been on my mind lately. thank you for bringing in an expert opinion as well as hearing from people on the streets. it brings a unique perspective from the general pop and someone who intensely studied this specific topic 💜 loved this video a lot
Yet another Gen W. This was a great video that explored the topic from both a male and female perspective, and helped to convey the message that both men and women need to work together to address this issue before it presents further problems for society as a whole. Keep it up man, I'm looking forward to watching your channel grow because people need to hear questions that challenge their thoughts
"We shouldn't define what's good and Bad , We should let everybody define what's good and Bad For him" Said the girl with pink hair: A world without rules is named Chaos.
When my parents divorced, I actually got a closer relationship to my dad. When my parents were together, my dad would go to work and come home and work on the computer the rest of the day. When my parents got divorced, I would see my dad every other weekend and play poker with him.
Gen- Thank you for your willingness to explore these topics when it can seem wrong to even ask questions about them. I subscribed to you after I watched your channel for the first time. It's been so refreshing to see such an unbiased and educated approach to journalism.
WOW. This was sooo good to watch and made me tear up and I am a woman. I Love Men and respect them. We need them and they are in desperate NEED of role models and God
Good Job! This needs to be more main stream! The amount of people on my campus who are "kill all men" activists is painful to see everytime I go to classes. I really wish people were more open minded and kinder to each other.
I don’t understand how anyone can get away with that statement…..if you put any other group at the end of that sentence you would probably be charged with a hate crime.
The fact some of the people hit so many angles of these issues shows how complex this is. The biggest underlying issue with all of this is the constant beating people down for stupid superficial traits like what gender they are or the color of their skin and things like that.
hey! C'est Montréal ça! I'm a Xennial, I've grown up in a world that doesn't exist any more. My dad was and is still a Legend. I'm very close to my daughter, I've been with my wife for 20 years and believe me, at some point in your life as a man, especially a Father, you have to be stoic and maybe, not hide your emotion, but at least "nerf them". Because being vulnerable isn't that big of a deal in the eyes of your wife, but being weak can be a deal breaker. Thanks for your video, I really appreciate the time, effort and interest in what might be the downfall of our society. If you break the family, you break society.
As a woman, the only adversity I've ever faced was not being taken seriously in a workplace and perceiving that I was being put on the back burner (doesn't make it true, just a perceived view) and being criticized for having any type of emotion. I think the only real advantage men have is that they can get upset and people say "oh he's having a bad day" or he just needs to vent, but when women do it we're criticized as too emotional, dramatic, or it just being our nature to naturally break where men can bend. All that said, these are not experiences unique to just men or just women. Men also have this expectation of putting on a brave face in a crisis and keeping their cool, but can be looked down on for getting upset or showing emotion. I think in a way, we put these expectations on ourselves and over time develop this anger about it, but we want to pin that anger onto something tangible and put them at fault as a way to feel better about it, it just so happens to be in the form of gender-blaming. Most people just can't see the logical side of it because they're blinded by that anger they feel about something seeming unfair.
Maybe women should be educated to not be psycological abusive and emotional manipulative and men can open their feelings... Thats not cz u are a woman that usually cz u are the new one... every man experience the same...
Have you ever been on Instagram ? Either you must be f**k ugly or don't have any social media account except for TH-cam Women are the worst victims of cyber bullying !
It's not just women that feel that way, guys are always being ignored when they propose stuff in the workplace, It's the top of the food chain males that are heard most often
@@iliaselbourji1865 We just gonna ignore that it was and still is to a degree normal for men to abuse women? You can’t just pin this issue on women. Op made a very good point, but you’d don’t care about that, you just wanted to spew your rhetoric. It’s guys like you that’s re the problem. You want us to listen to you, but you don’t want to listen to us. It’s pathetic.
@iliaselbourji1865 facts. Ive met so many women who know the power they have and use it to their advantage and are deliberately manipulative in a very malicious way.
For sure there's an attack on men in general, we live in a crazy messed up world with double standards where a woman can physically hit a man and nothing happens, but if a man hits a woman he gets charged with assault, I wonder if he could get off those charges by identifying as a woman?
5:00 This doesn't sound like removing masculine aggression, testosterone will always exist. This sounds like eugenics removing people who have mental disorders that make them confrontational.
My girlfriend is one of the kindest, most empathetic, genuinely good people I've met, yet somehow even she has a hard time hearing about men's issues without pushing back. Her first instinct is to a whataboutism for women or assuming the man is to blame. Western culture has conditioned women and men to treat men this way and it is sad and unlikely to change.
It’s not whataboutism. It’s your girlfriend being smart and seeing reality clearly. Women are disproportionately affected. Men ARE to blame for their own issues. Men are the ones who run the societal systems. Men are the ones at the highest echelon of power. Why don’t men band together and engage in activism to help each other? Why do they come up with these stupid ideas like “alpha” and “sigma” and “beta”? Why do push ridiculous ideas like, “sexual marketplace” that treat human beings like commodities to be traded? I don’t see women pushing any of this garbage. These are just some examples. Women are where we are today, comparatively speaking, because we banded together and fought for change. Why don’t men band together and do the same? Unless men come together as a collective and try to make a change they’ll continue to stay stuck. How is that anyone’s fault but their own?
I've found that it's also from a historical mindset sometimes. I used to have this myself. When you've been shown men being quite literally stoic legends throughout history, and especially throughout forms of books/movies/and TV shows for years. it's often quite hard to believe that men also face issues, and often need help.
@@dragonsman4733 I agree with you, however, its important to note that historically only 40% of men have reproduced. Meaning on a evolutionary psychological level women are not used to being empathetic to men's struggles because women have historically just picked the winners/survivors to procreate with. It literally is unnatural for women to care about men's struggles and that will not change at scale.
Because she’s going off of her emotions rather than having a thoughtful discussion. This is why I’m not interested in a relationship, some women have this superiority complex and why would I be with someone who can’t even hear my own personal experiences and instead make fun of me for it. Some women have become the exact same thing they’ve hated.
Your channel is a masterpiece dude. Its so encouraging to see other people out there who think more like me, and not everyone has extremely polarizing views.
Gen, this was an excellent piece. I think in 2023 the word Masculinity needs to be seperated from the word toxic. There are toxic people only. I was raised by woman who never told me that being masculine was wrong. I think this newer generation has gotten used to attaching those words together and all its doing is confusing young straight men and teaching them that it is wrong to be masculine. My father was super masculine yet he respected everyone and was a gentleman throughout his life. Thats what we need in this society is gentlemen. Society needs that balance between femininity and masculinity no matter what gender you choose and stop attatching "Toxic" to those words, like I said there are only toxic people.
my dad was a green beret probably the strongest role model any boy could have. i learned everything from him. hunting tracking camping survival fighting how to shoot various type of firearms how to work on a vehicle. my mom was a doctor i learned things like first Aid an cooking and balancing finances from her. i couldn't imagine not having a strong masculine role model now im 30yrs old i know i cant protect my wife an kids and provide for them even if we're in a life or death situation and thanks to my moms teaching my wife doesn't have to do everything by her self like Cooking cleaning an paying bills we both have jobs so whoever gets home first does whats needed
A perfect example of masculinity that I have seen a few people mention, which i agree with is Aragorn from Lord of the rings. Doesn't matter if you like Lord of the rings or not you can ignore that its fantasy etc, just have a google of the character in relation to masculinity and you'll see.
Society today and this wave of radical feminism has been repeatedly telling men that they are the root cause of the majority of today’s problems, are no longer needed, their opinions are unimportant, and are told that masculine traits are deemed toxic. Then these women are surprised when young men are withdrawing from society. They’re not dating, not having friends or support system, not going to college, not in the workforce, and at a greater risk of death by despair. It’s absolutely heartbreaking. My son is a year old, and I’m fearful of how society will view him when he becomes and teenager and adult. My hope is that the pendulum will swing the other way and will balance itself out. We as women can lift each other up without pushing men down.
I really like how some women after having a son realise how society is being against men. Like, that's the only way, you learn the truth. Honestly, some of the women do not deserve to be mothers to a son( not talking about you). But you are a good mother. Thanks
"I feel like it's not good to define things on what's right and what's wrong - it's whatever you're feeling like." So basically murdering and war crimes are okay if you feel like it? What's wrong with these people!
My dad always thought to open doors for women, show them respect and etc. And he was a man, man. Which other would say: Toxic masculinity. Common sense.
6:29 "When men are seen as oppressors, is there even a room for empathy for men struggles" 🔥 🔥 🔥 that really hit me 😢 so many times I have just keep shut because I know girls will take the wrong side and I will be perceived as one of those stupid violent men, and honestly... That's completely missing the point. We, the good men, just want to be treated like we are not oppressors. People is getting nuts with all this, I think this will end up with more and more alone men, filled with anger to girls, since all the opportunities have been taken away, and that's scary... Nothing worse than a 40's years old, alcoholic man suffering from loneliness. That will be like a snow ball... Buckle up people, if these trends not change will end up in complete disaster
“People care what i have to say” Men when tf has anyone cared about us or what we have to say? Im 22 and I can’t recall a time where anyone besides my parents gave a flip about me
No one cares about anyone. I'm a 27 year old woman, no one has ever cared abt me aside from my parents (conditional) my husband (conditional, but less than my parents) and my children (unconditional). That's just the reality. Society is doomed. Community hardly exists outside of the internet and it's destroying the world.
@@meepmop809Selfishness is a self-fulfilling prophecy, in that, as more people become selfish, the worse society gets, which in turn, causes more reason and people to become selfish. Personal responsibility will be the only thing that gets us out of this spiral, but every time responsibility is mentioned, people ignore it.
Having models who are kind but strong at the same time is possible whether they are men or women. The problem will always be the fact that a lot of people lack nuance in this conversation. And the blaming game starts with that
Blah blah blah, you're like everyone else over the past 100 years saying the same crap. You're just as apart of the problem with "society" going down the alleged spiral.
@@akamesb4540 Spot on. I have seen some toxic men and women irl, but people usually tell them to stop being delusional and hateful. I mostly see these people online as well, and wonder what kind of lives they live cuz ain’t no way they are functioning as well as they claim.
Thank you to Richard Reeves for being a part of this video - one of my favorite interviews ever.
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I think it is a vastly complicated issue. I could write a whole novel about it. it is not anyone groups fault, but society. I am so blessed that I have a job, a family who cares for me, 3 Close friends, and a amazing woman by my side. Im set. Which is why it pains me that my friends are lonely. I know how good it feels to be loved. Something my friends are desprately grasping for.
I think that the lack of value placed on community has caused a lot of these issues. In countries where the "village raises the child" they still have a stable understanding of masculinity, examples like Indonesia, Egypt, Malaysia, Eastern Europe, etc have a more purposeful group of men. Countries that are a lot more individualistic tend to follow this downward trend. Just knowing your neighbours can help a little
@@mohamedabaas7083 preach, my good sir, this is so important. Individalism has become such a disease
If culture repeatedly hammers down to men that they are toxic and not needed, they will eventually believe it and stop trying. Society needs strong, dignified, kind, and reliable men.
That's what's happening now. Men have been beaten down and told this for at least a decade now. Men's large participation in hook-up culture, male loneliness, "where are all the good men", passport bros, MGTOW are all examples of men adapting to what we've been told over and over for the past decade+. Men don't want to settle down? Adaptation. Men going abroad to find wives? Adaptation. Men not willing to approach, pay for dates, etc.? Adaptation. And now that men have adapted to this point, it's going to take a whole damn lot to get us out of it.
Just ignore it. I never heard that men are by default toxic but I don’t live in America so I don’t have too much of a say in this
Most people don’t think men themselves are toxic. Most people are referring to a certain brand of masculinity that is toxic. It’s probably a misnomer to call it “masculinity” at all but I’m sure it’s for lack of a better word. It refers to the kind that discourages expressing emotion and encourages dominance and exerting power, especially im ways that result in hurting those that are weaker. It can lead to abuse, assault, and harassment. If you are not displaying this kind of “masculinity”, you are not toxic
Yeah I know what you're saying but just remember the silent majority doesn't think that way. It's just the loud ones spreading that poison that are heard, unfortunately
Always about them not the women in iran or honduras where femicide happens every hour caused by these men.
the fact that women seem to think dudes can just wander round late at night completely unconcerned is hilarious to me
Yeah Im a 6'4 guy and I wouldn't feel safe walking around in certain areas at night
@@potentfade5664Shit I don’t feel safe anyways man. Half my buddies been mugged at night going to the store. Men are more likely to be attacked any way, we’re just better at defending ourselves
@@QuesoBueso very true. I still do stuff at night because I'm not willing to let the possibility of bad shit stop me from getting stuff done but where I live I have to have my wits about me at all times if I'm out at night
@@marianafeliciano6601 And we are talking about how it’s not an exclusive feeling for women to be afraid at night. It’s human nature to be afraid of the dark, since childhood. The dangers of the unknown. Men get attacked more than women at night, murdered, mugged, etc. and women are more assaulted and taken advantage of unfortunately. It’s not a competition, no matter who you are there is a chance something could happen.
It’s laughable how that’s always the one thing they point out. I’m a guy and I have no interest walking out at night and I probably would never walk out at night unless absolutely necessary. Do women think men just walk out at night like robots or something lol
The sad irony in women saying”masculinity is bad because men don’t talk about there feelings” is that, a lot of the time when men voice their emotions or talk about the struggles of being a man, those same women will laugh and down play your issue as not being real. I find men are more supportive of me opening up emotionally rather than women, I’ve had girlfriends laugh at me being upset
Or they’ll call you an incel or misogynist because you aren’t fully supporting women lmao
That makes sense, it's easier to relate to people have the same problems as you than people who don't.
@@elsquamathis almost happened to me,the shift in my feelings was crazy. I turned cold
It's also a fact that men deal differently with struggles and emotions than women. Men are generally more problem oriented and women are more emotionally oriented.
It's sad woman will claim they do want you to do that but from my experience and everyone I see online it's a very different story when it actually happens.
Her : “toxic masculinity is keeping men from talking about their feeling
Men : talks about any struggle of men
Her : “why are you being such a snowflake and emotional?”
It’s not toxic masculinity that keeps us quiet, it’s society blaming us for all the world issues and then shaming us when we try reach out
Strawmen are fun!
@@seanbirch You know it's real though.
@@seanbirch Any signs of emotion or weakness is shown by Men, their bussy just dries up.. you know it
u literally know he is right stop lying to urslef @@seanbirch
Not a strawman, women do not understand that men don't want their feelings validated, we want quick, swift solutions.
I love when woman, who aren’t men, say masculinity is bad and “toxic” and they believe they have the right to call it that. But when you call into question femininity in any way, you have to be a woman to explain and deduce it in any way. Double standards are UNREAL
They're entitled to that. It's their birth right. How dare you question that!
Let’s act like men don’t do that. Andrew tate
In itself we all have our own prejudices on a gender which is completely normal, the problem is when someone refuse to listen and be more understanding. That’s how you create stupid people who only know how to shout “toxic masculinity” to find something to blame for all their problems in life.
So yea, if someone tells you that toxic masculinity exists but toxic femininity doesn’t, and they are not willing to discuss, just ignore them.. most women aren’t like that, from what I see it’s mostly in the USA
@@rose-yeahwhy do you think he is popular? He’s the first guy to act like an asshole towards you feminists, and all feminists have been assholes for at least a decade to all men.
Of course he’s popular, the way trump was a popular f you to the political elite.
People resist your tyrannical oppression, cry about it.
@@rose-yeahWhen Tate or any men call out double standards, women and the media demonize them, just like you are doing. So, you have no point until those things stop happening.
A perfect example of toxic vs positive masculinity is the movie Tarzan.
Clayton is rude, brash, bragging, and violent. Tarzan is kind, strong, protective, and chooses peace over violence. Tarzan is still super masculine. He’s also a good person. That’s what we lose sight of sometimes. It’s not about whether you’re masculine or not, it’s about whether your kind or not.
Another great example of positive masculinity is Aragorn in the LOTR movies. He’s kind, strong, protective without being rude and authoritative.
completely agree!!! and positive masculinity is so attractive.
I agree with you. The problem is that modern day women would look at Tarzan’s masculine traits and automatically assume he is just like Clayton. Women see masculinity and equate it to being rude and/or brash.
One example by Tarzan that I think is a great example of positive masculinity: when he wanted to be able to communicate with Jane and company he actually put effort into learning their language and culture.
Clayton? *Pushes drawing of gorilla into Tarzan's face* Clayton: GORILLA. Tarzan: GORILLA. *ignores Clayton and goes to the good people*
Tarzan actually puts effort into learning other cultures and Clayton was loud and rude. That's why Tarzan is the better man.
Rude, brash, bragging and violent?
Jeez, you literally described my mother perfectly.
People need to understand that all of these traits are in fact HUMAN traits.
Clayton keeps the same energy through out the entire movie lol
TBH, Gen, you are a positive male role model. You don't just take a side and repeat the rhetoric of that side, you question the questions themselves and seeks both sides and average people to learn.
Thank you! I appreciate that
u a real 1 man@@GEN
Reality is not 'two sided'. Our culture is 'two sided'. Two sided thinking presumes something like a coin toss effect AND/OR one side is CORRECT. Two options is appealing, because it OVERSIMPLIFIES. This is the problem with 'dualism'. In reality there are all kind of options, choices, and differences; this can be overwhelming if one doesn't know what they want or they can not afford their option/choice.
There is NO "averaging" unless you have decided/determined that the input is concluded and finite....two sided in your case. In a coin toss one has to ASSUME the coin is perfectly weighted along the axies to get a 50-50% 'average'....Speaking of gender, the hermaphrodite PROVES a third option (hundreds of other genetic options DO HAPPEN) not an average, and the two sided gender argument is demonstrated to be flawed in its hypothesis. Check out genetics some times, one will learn their are HUNDREDS of genetic outcomes: Some will have BOTH "gender" bits, some will have one visible "gender" fleshy bit and the OPPOSITE internal reproductive bit, Down Syndrome, etc. TWO OPTIONS? Oh, oversimplification dictates there are two sides and all others are tossed in a pit, like the Spartans did?
Averaging based on TWO sides is more of a practice of misguided oversimplification that concludes incorrectly. Dualism can easily lead to belligerence, intolerance, and being severely misguided in forming a question about reality.
No he isn't at the end of the video he said that we should encoruage females to be strong and independent which is not only not possible, but that's also what feminism is.
@@Nope991 What is "strong"? Physically? Able to not be bothered by men that group them? Enjoy cat calling? Being the 34th virgin in a 72 virgin harem? Doing what the man says with STRENGTH?
WTH does "strong" mean? imply? Accept? do?
On the word "independent", by whose standard? Can they be in love with another women? Can they say something that offends you? Who or what do they have to be DEPENDENT on still?
Too all the young men out there... Don't let anyone make you feel ashamed of being a masculine man!! The world needs you !!!
Especially anyone with pronouns.
I will never apologize for being a man
@@trealin4730 So... Every human alive.
@@tobiasburrell6055 edit; pronouns in their bio
@@tobiasburrell6055 Yeah, that's what he meant. Don't listen to those nasty nasty kind of people.
The thing I really love about you is that you make these "asking on the streets" videos.
But unlike everyone else, you chose NOT to focus on the people who act out and get mad, no you instead chose the actual conversations.
It's amazing to see that in a time where almost everyone is so polarised, I salute you, keep doing what you do, it's amazing to watch.❤
The word Toxic Masculinity has hurt Masculinity in itself.
No it hasn't, that's your way of placing blame on others who are highlighting an important issue.
@@claff4573 "issue" 🤡🤡🤡
@@claff4573ok buddy
@@opgroundzero2.0 This guy spapsf or whatever replied to every comment I’ve seen and pretty much just downplays male issues and experiences with “women face more and men have it easy”. He’s got childish arguments and probably a troll.
@@claff4573 I feel sorry for your father, if you even had one.
Labeling all men as toxic is basically a form of bullying. They do it for the same reason all bullies do. It's empowering. But it's also childish and pathetic
Calling all men is toxic is form of toxic femininity
Masculinity isn't toxic.
However, toxic masculinity is. It's a qualifier, not an equal.
You know how there are plants, and only some of them are poisonous? And we call those "poisonous plants".
I hope this helps.
When I watch a movie from 30 or 40 years ago some of it makes me cringe, society was very different then. But these people act like no progress has been made. Many of them don't realize the freedoms they now have. They are wind up clockwork activists, victimhood is power. If they were truly oppressed they wouldn't be able to make such statements, they wouldn't be allowed. There are people out there in the world who really are oppressed, its a shame they take the lime light away from them. It's just a form of vulnerable narcissism. @@seanbirch
@@seanbirchso why does it have to be toxic masculinity. Why can’t it be that guy is a dickhead ? it’s the need to belittle and label it , unnecessary.
"Masculinity isn't toxic.
However, toxic masculinity is. It's a qualifier, not an equal."
Funny how with everything men do that harms themselves or others, there is always a reference to masculinity (but never when men do something good), while with everything women do that harms themselves or others, there is always a reference to "society" as the culprit.
The girl with glasses was speaking facts and understood that positive masculinity is needed in the world today not dunking on masculinity as a whole
No she was yapping. Women like to say that: “Oh men are the ones who are putting the pressure on other men to become these alpha males millionaires with six packs!”
Which is only slightly true because yes, men want the respect of other men but the main reason why men go after those things is because those are the types of men that beautiful women go for which is a large part of what sets the standard of what masculinity is.
@@dorikin333Not beautiful women, all women. I saw a video of a girl who was a 5/10 talking about how she deserves a man like Travis Kelce. Travis Kelce is a 6'5" football superstar with a $40 million dollar net worth who is dating a billionaire.
She said she's tired of "dusty Hinge men". That's how women view normal men that are on their level. "dusty."
Shes right and she is an example of what we need more of in society.
Saying "Nice guys are mostly misogynists covered, gate keeping, gas lighting" is facts? That is simply a over-generalization. She was yapping.
There were two “girls with glasses”, let's call them day and night. Which one are we talking about?
10 years ago I saw this trend of yelling at men for being toxic and constant negative reinforcement. I talked to my husband back then how this isn't going to help boys and it will cause so many issues. Since then I have been trying to raise my daughters to be respectful towards men in addition to teaching them how to be strong and independent females. Society needs to stop bringing down one group of people to improve another group.
You can teach them to be strong and independent but please don't make that their full mindset to the point that they say I don't need no man.
So they yelled at them for no reason? Also compared to your one video 10 years ago there's hundreds of thousands of videos where the same thing happens to women in countless countries like iran or honduras, people are gonna get tired of it eventually.
@@bananabandit2 Women shouldn't NEED men in a romantic standpoint. We have our own goals and things we want to see and get through in life, it doesn't revolve around how men see or want us. All young women should be taught to have a back bone, be independent, and high self esteem.
@@claff4573Read my comment again I never said you need us in a romantic standpoint. I said needing men in general on this planet. We are protectors and providers even not in relationships. If you're getting attacked on the street I promise another women isn't coming to help it would be a man. Same thing goes for a lot of other things its not a romantic thing its men and women working together in society. That's why I said don't raise them to say they don't need a man because we need to help each other not hate each other.
@@claff4573I have read all your comments. You are perpetually angry - stop this and get some help. Go touch grass if need be
I've worked in childcare a few years back at an elementary school. I was there to keep an eye on kids whose parents were still at work after school ended. I helped them when they hurt themselves, broke up en reconciled fights and made sure they had the best time possible.
One time, a 4 year old girl came up to me to ask me if I could help her going to the bathroom. Her parents apparently didn't think potty training was important. So I helped her, she thanked me afterwards and started playing again. A few days after that, I got called over by my 'supervisor' (don't know the exact translation) because the girl's parents complained about what I did. I, a man, was alone with a 4 year old girl in a bathroom. I was forbidden to ever help any kid again with going to the bathroom. The girl I helped before peed her pants twice before I decided to help her again. I was fired afterwards.
If you want men to take on more 'feminine' jobs, maybe try to get rid of the horrible stigmas around men first. Men usually don't like being made out for pedophiles for just doing their job. And in my case, I was actually doing my job while my female coworkers used their time to just chat with each other until all kids were picked up, not even caring the slightest bit about the children they were supposed to take care of. They still had their jobs while I got fired.
sorry but this was your fault, because you already had a major warning, in fact doctors by protocol never check fems without a present nurse
@@neoglacius I should've never gotten that warning to begin with. According to the parents, it wasn't a problem if a woman helped their child with her bathroom troubles. Without knowing anything about the situation, they labeled me as a pedophile. I wasn't at fault for being the only one willing to care for that child and I absolutely didn't deserve that label they gave me.
And since I was the only one actually doing my job, no one else could've been present there with me because my coworkers refused to help her. I might've disregarded my warning, but any caring person would do the same if they saw a 4 year old cry with soaked pants not once, but twice. If a doctor saw someone going in cardiac arrest without a nurse present, they'd take action too instead of patiently waiting for a nurse while a person is dying.
@@bigtrolly im not talking about what it should be , but about what it is, and the reality is that you have extra equipment to make stuff that fems dont, same for babysitting, you have more strength so giving you access to homes increases the harm risk... this is just plain facts and it matters regardless of the 'what if', in the same way if fems would stop liking and demanding money there wont be more wars, but they wont stop liking it, right?
I think you did the right thing. You helped the girl with good intent. The employer and the parents is not doing there job. Lazy parent are the worst letting the IPad raise their children.
@@neoglacius Can you write that again in english ?
The girl saying how girls judge other girls is so true, sadly. Like these days, if you want to live life the "old" way, people HATE it and try to tear you apart for it. And as she mentioned, if you want to live as a "house wife" people attack you for it. I enjoy living as the house wife in my relationship, because of a few aspects in my life. We live in a big city (meaning, more crime!), I have really bad social anxiety (so working in person is kind of hard for me) and cleaning (FOR ME personally), is very relaxing. Plus, I love to cook! And if anyone thinks this is super toxic of me to enjoy this lifestyle.... You need to get a life! :D I am harming no one and am living comfortably, and my bf is more than okay with working. Plus, I sell homemade things online! So I too, am making money, without the added stress of having to leave home all day.
Great job :)
So you make money. Why not call yourself a business person??? Why are you labeling yourself as something you are not ? You aren’t married or depending 100% financially on your husband.Why housewife , my boyfriend doesn’t have a stable job and call himself unemployed. Why does it change because you have a vagina?
🙏🏽 you m’am are awesome 😌
Theres nothing masculine about the weakness that causes someone to victimize others.
Masculinity is competence, resilience, confidence, strength, restraint and emotional control.
We need more masculinity
I never really understood that argument that victimizing others means you're weak. We wouldn't call the predators of ecosystems weak, and they certainly do victimise their prey. Some even kill just for entertainment, not even for food (felines, for example). Strength is very simple, it is power relative to others and your environment. That is what we could call 'practical strength'. A tyrant playing with the lives of villagers he just captured. He can, because he has the ability to decide their fate.
The strength you speak of isn't so much practical, as it is idealistic. You've fused nobility, morality and self-sacrifice (a quality commonly associated with strength, even though it goes against the practical definition of it. It is usually the 'fodder' and the expendables that 'self-sacrifice for the cause'. The plebs, so to speak) with courage, ambition, vision and pride.
Victimizing others is always an action done on those that seem to the victimizer to be weaker than him/her. You can call him cowardly, but it has been proven that when you are humiliated, humiliating another in responsable will reduce the negative health consequences of humiliation (stress, cardiovascular disease, and most clesrly proven, stomach ulcers). You effectively pass on the your stress to another, and protect yourself.
The moral code you speak of is very christian. Just like Jesus that was treated poorly during his life but did not seek revenge and just accumulated humiliation, insult and injury, you try to collect them in yourself, thinking that it won't harm you at all...but it does.
Why do these traits have to be gendered, though? “Masculinity” as a set of personality traits is an old fashioned myth. That’s why it isn’t valued in society anymore. It’s inaccurate.
Women (and men) without an ounce of masculinity in them can be competent, resilient, strong, restrained, and emotionally controlled, too. There’s no mechanism that ties having a penis to having certain psychological traits. It’s just another way to divide the genders.
We don’t need more “masculinity”. We need more emotionally healthy adults who have emotional regulation skills, resilience, and a strong degree of mastery. It has nothing do with gendered stereotypes. We need *less* of those, not more.
@WAZZA1235 I don't necessarily see it this way, but as a compromise, you can basically break anything in evolutionary psychology down into a cost-benefit analysis.
Whether it's a Jaguar hunting prey in the jungle or a human predator looking for a victim, there is a cost that they gamble in order to benefit from their actions.
Animals can not weigh the suffering of their prey into the cost of their actions. They weigh their own effort and risks but not the well-being of the other animal. If they could, the benefit of...continuing to live is too high.
Human predators are usually aware of the suffering they cause, but weigh it so much lower than the temporary feeling of power of gratification they stand to gain.
Being social creatures, engaging in this anti-social behavior where you victimize others is either the result of weakness or inevitably ends in weakness where you are the pariah of the tribe.
Yeah I see it in a more idealistic light than just that, but I see no problem with striving towards an ideal while trying to be aware of reality
@purplewitchtarotanddivinat5680 I'll bite. The main difference is typically agreeableness vs disagreeableness.
Men tend to be more disagreeable and have less impulse control, so it is more desirable that they have the above traits so that they benefit their loved ones and community.
Not everyone is a caricature of masc/fem or fits entirely neatly into a box, but there are clear scientific behavioral delineations between men and women that are consistent with genetic predispositions, not the product of environmental factors.
Speaking broadly is sometimes required. If you're trying to fix a car, you don't fully disassemble it. You make broad analysis until you hone in on the problem.
@@AlexM-oq5el The difference is only moderate, though. Women rate higher in agreeableness on average, but those effects are only moderate. It doesn’t mean that there’s a masculine personality or a feminine personality. It doesn’t mean that women=agreeable and men=disagreeable. It means that statistically women are somewhat more agreeable than men. That’s not a personality type. It’s a minor variation. You’re also making a leap by asserting that these differences are biologically based. Scoring higher on agreeableness doesn’t mean that women are born naturally more agreeable. It could simply mean women are socially conditioned to be more conscious of other people’s feelings due to strong gendered socialization that begins from infancy. Nurture vs. nature. We don’t fully know.
There’s a greater variance in personality traits between two people of the same gender than there are between people of different genders. This can even be seen in brain studies. There’s no male brain or female brain, but, rather, each brain is it’s own unique mosaic. Personality is the same.
I don’t disagree that men in particular would benefit from greater emotion regulation and self-control. What I don’t understand is the insistence on making those traits inherently “masculine” when they’re just neutral personality traits. Why do they need to be pointlessly gendered? Why can’t people just be who they are without the gendered stereotypes?
Thorfinn from Vinland Saga for me is a perfect example of masculinity and the road to it. Starting really angry and confused but becoming kind, reborn and wise but still physically and mentally strong to stand up for himself and for the people around him.
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Thorfinn’s definitely a good example
I have no enemies
Same with Hashirama. He is a strong leader who takes care of his people but is soft enough to show his emotions and sacrifice himself for his best friend
@@oryxthetakenking8275 facts
“If there is a war, you gotta pick sides”
It is often said that there are no winners in war.
That's a lie lol
@@fromthesouthofafrica6815I mean that would be like ww3 where everyone has Nuclear weapons
But that's not an argument against fighting, is it? It's an argument against the concept of war. There may not be winners, but there certainly are losers.
Masculinity itself is not toxic, Just as Femininity itself is not toxic.
IMO Masculinity is about achieving mastery over one's body and mind and being a pillar of strength for people around them. Family/Friends.
EDIT: I just want to add that achieving mastery over body and mind is a never ending journey. So I guess I would say striving for mastery over body and mind.
Well that's definitely true, shouldn't women also strive for mastery over body and mind? I can't have a weak woman by my side that hasn't worked on herself and crumbles instantly at the face of stress and road blocks
Mastery, isn't singular, nor is it generally definitive. Ones version of MASTERY is not anothers, yet many tend to believe that their "mastery" goals and ambitions SHOULD be the others. For instance, I don't want Gym Rat "mastery", nor do I want its many varying forms of social "mastery" behaviors...bro, are you Natty? CRINGE.
The topic of "masculinity" is SO full of hormones that its unrealistic to expect the ability to converse with other rhoided OPINION that its OBVIOUSLY a construct...to which, you are seeking to use "mastery" as some method to bring back a rationalizing affect on a subject that is STILL just a construct; not a fundamental.
So if you don't have friends/family then you are less of a man?
Funny how when you question the basics of masculinity/feminity they fall apart almost instantly. Almost like they're weak concepts we should I away with
@@Shreesha07This is the problem right here. Question it once and it crumbles. Worthless concepts
@@painunending4610 women can have masculine traits too.
Growing up, I was a skinny, sensitive, creative, highly intelligent kid. Not necessarily feminine but a lot of typical guy's stuff I didn't take an interest in. My dad is a typical macho, hard-working construction labourer. We had nothing in common. You could say that the masculinity my dad was portraying and teaching was toxic to a boy like I was and our relationship suffered because of it. For the most part, I drew to my mom.
As I grew older I turned more and more into an incel. Highly educated, actually quite handsome and not even shy around women but I was so afraid of hurting someone that I sabotaged my own love life. At some point it got so bad that I had to change something and I did. I overcame my fears and decided to risk hurting people to have my shot at love. I "manned up". I was born-again masculine and it completely changed my life. I found my wife. We started a family. My career went through the roof.
I'm not even the most masculine guy you'll ever meet. But masculinity saved my life. There's two sides of that coin. And I'm now as close with BOTH my parents as I ever could be.
Taking risks is not inherently a masculine trait, but it sure is very common to our gender. Hence why men live shorter lives than women.
And yes, hard decisions will risk hurting people in the process but we have to decide in order to move forward. We have to risk the world hating us in order to make it better, ironically.
I’m wondering if your mom was overly protective and hovering on you as a kid??? I just think the person that makes life easier on you would be preferred to a kid over the person that challenges you, and a lot of times moms use their kids as an outlet for their emotional needs … which is ok when they’re babies, but then moms need to let go when it’s time for their babies to grow up. Dads need to take the prime spot in adolescence so they can teach kids how to be strong out there in the world.
@@nicoledickerson9516 I never really thought of my mom as overprotecting but I suddenly realize she might have been. I'll think about this for a while, thank you for the insight.
That's what I did too. I had ok to good results in my job, but it had no effect whatsoever on women. They still tried everything possible to avoid me.
I still never had a second date at now soon 45.
@Irishriden2005
At some point I decided that something had to change at all costs because I was depressed and flirting with suicide.
I decided that I was the main source of all my problems. Not others. Not women. Not society. Not misfortune. From now on, I would accept full responsibility.
It is hard to tell you a game plan, I think it is very personal as I don't know what your specific problem is. If I had to generalise it I would say: "stop feeling sorry for yourself and start doing the things that scare you".
Stop avoiding failure. Take risks. Look at your idol, whoever that may be and see how much he or she has failed in life. Make it a new goal to have failed attempts to better your situation as much as you can.
“It's not how many times you get knocked down that count, it's how many times you get back up.”
Stop caring what others may think.
The people that judge the most have the shittiest lives themselves.
Maybe all of this is cliché self help stuff... some Tony Robbins/dr Phil bullshit sounding lines. But it works. It's the thing I can say that helps.
Bro, I'm in my 30s and male - I'm a classic dude: I smoke, drink, listen to metal, call everyone "dude, man, bro," etc. I went back to school for a bit and ended up at a garbage "art school" - it was more of a business. During my last quarter there, the first quarter back in-person, I started talking to this bird and had a mental breakdown. When I told her I had a legitimate mental breakdown, this broad who preached "My writing is for the marginalized, I want to affect change for mental health," etc., this jagweed told me: "You're a 30 y/o man. Grow the fuck up."
I'm so proud of this channel, just some months ago not even a year i started watching it and it had like just some thousands of subs. and his hard work on consistency is really paying off. it feels good
Support from day 1’s like you is what made it happen…and we’re just getting started!
yup I remember it well too!
Just noticed how many subs he got, good for him
Yup, i was here before 50k! ❤
@@GENyou're the best!
“Just be a nice guy… nice guys are misogynistic, girl boss gatekeeping, gaslighting”I’m so confused
Nice guy bad. Kind guy good.
It’s that too many bad men use “nice guy” to the point where it doesn’t matter if you actually are. It’s a red flag now.
there is a difference between a "nice guy" and a guy who is a nice person
@@cboisandlin9601 no there’s not you sound dumb. Wtf does that even mean
We NEED each other! Both masculinity and femininity are glorious in their own opposity ways. That's what makes it so beautiful and why we can work so perfectly with one another. Love requires work and patience from both parties. There is nothing more satisfying than when you know you truly need each other and you choose to strengthen that love and bond.
Unfortunately we’re tearing both down and it’s causing massive issues, including this very issue he’s talking about. Yet these people think it needs to be dismantled even more and blurred until there is no difference between the two sexes. This gender/trans shit is just another way to tear down evolutionary and societal gender roles.
It is time for our society to outgrow the simplistic idea of toxic masculinity. The more we are polarized, the worse it is for us. The key is to find the balance. More love, less war :)
The key is for some deep crisis to come and because of it we will come to our senses and go back to 1900 in terms of relationships.
Nah, I’m thinking revolutionary war, to totally destroy all this nonsense+woke nonsense.
A nation divided, cannot stand. So sad because in the early 2000s I though we were making real progress towards a more harmonious colorblind society but we're more divided now than we have been since the Civil rights movement. Racism (mainly targeted towards white men) has made a really big comeback. We live in possibly one of most abysmal socially accepted times and I think looking back a few decades we are going to be truly ashamed of what our western world came to be during this era.
War will always happen, and when it does, you’re going to need this “icky” masculinity. The only people complaining about masculinity are those who are privileged and don’t recognize where masculinity helps society because they don’t see it in their cushy offices and homes.
I think we, as a society, have lost the 'work to become the best you can be' method of personal and professional growth for 'discover who you are and it's society's fault if you aren't successful' stagnation of purpose.
you're absolutely right, we've lost that mentality. but can you really blame us for losing the value of hard work, when lazy, stupid, undeserving, or corrupt people keep getting all of the big rewards? and the hardworkers are left with little?
@@tobaccoffee506You're right, but part of what it means to be masculine is to combat adversity and not take what society throws at you lying down
@@ecw613 also true. it's just challenging these days to inspire the youth incl boys with that principle, but we have to. esp these days when helpless victims are revered more than against-all-odds heroes
@@tobaccoffee506Nice victim mentality
@@tobaccoffee506When you only focus on what you get, you are selfish, just like those lucky people are. Focus on the responsibilities you need to take to get what you want.
The best lie I hear every feminist saying is „men can feel save when going out alone at night“ like no, we don’t feel save. Everytime I go alone at night in a scetchy area I basically know that there is a huge potential that I might get robbed, beaten and killed.
most victims of violent crimes on the streets are after all men…
true, i dont know why they think that, never met any men that wasnt careful at night
They are if they end up in a fight LOL
We women have to pay attention way more than you, how can you say you don’t know why we feel that way? There are dangerous people everywhere but come on, we women have it worse if we go out alone at night
@@Melodysupporter technically, statisticaly speaking there is higher chance of men being attacked then women when outside, majority of all rape is usually done by someone you know, not by a stranger on a street. Also its true that basically majority of men are cautious when going outside at night. The guy above just mentioned he dont understand where women get the idea men can feel save. Because its simply not true. You could argue sexual asault is worse then being victim of other violent crime, but that differs from person to person. And regardless, men have it also worse in other situations then women. I believe both genders have their own struggles, comparing which one have it worse doesnt make sense since you dont know what is like to be the other gender.
@@projektava9385 i can’t stand being scared when I walk alone, a lot of women get raped by men and NO they don’t know them so wtf are you talking about? Also we’re not able to defend ourselves physically against a man so obviously we have it worse and worry more than a man. If people want to steal your phone they will do it regardless of whether you are man or woman but it’s easier to target women, not to mention that I’ve barely heard of men being sexually assaulted on the streets, it’s always women
It’s just that it’s scarier to be by yourself if you’re a woman
@@Melodysupporter Men are way more likely to get robbed, stabbed or killed on the streets.
and no the problem isnt us picking those fights. got beaten up twice altho I just tried to run. they wanted my phone + wallet and they would have killed for it i think lol
I dont like this marathon for "whos the most oppressed gender" either. terrible things happen to both sexes and I dont know why people try to be like: yea but were more oppressed, when in today society everyone has the same chances
The idea that men can just wander around safely at night is so ridiculous. Well YEAH but I gotta carry a freedom dispenser and have at at least one homie with me ready to pop off like c'mon 🤣
exactly. This is one of the most prevalent problems I see with modern feminism; how it overshadows men's issues, breeding a, "look at all the problems we woman face while men have it all fine and dandy" mentality.
In reality, it's men who are seen as meat. That's why they're thrown into those meat-grinders we call wars. Women are seen more like gems: Valued for their presence (not utility or sustenance), and requiring protection from damage and theft.
I agree that not even men can wander safely at night, it is just that we have a better instinct for danger and are more aware of our surroundings compared to women. I'd call it hunter instinct, which men were dominantly throughout history.
@@halbaloney4593 right, and its honestly not warrentless. It comes from the bare biological fact that men are more expendable. A singular woman can only produce offspring every so often, while a male can imprepregnate multiple woman as much as possible. From an evolutionary perspective, woman quite literally are more precious, while the men are less valuable. Now this is not to say we should treat each other in such a way, but it's incredibly fascinating to see how these biological roots play out in our modern day society.
Yeah, one time a couple of guys attacked me and my bro while we were in his car because they crossed the road dangerously and cut right in front of us. My friend blared the horn at them, because he got scared he was about to run over them, and these mfs started hitting the car and shout angrily at us. I was ready to throw punches, but my friend just ran away (which was wise of him). This was during the day.
Man or woman, you can never be safe outside if you stumble upon a psycho.
My male role model was my grandpa. He was an down to earth honest man who worked his body to the bone to provide for his family and yes he did make mistakes in raising my dad but he grew older and there was a time where I started to have deep talks with him where he did confess his faults and he did learn from those faults. My granddad was someone who I never did see cry often but during those talks was the first time I saw him cry... The only other time was after the death of my grandma... He followed her short after but I believe that I will see them again after it's my time to follow the Valkyries into Odin's halls, stay strong friends and watch out for each other we can see a better future for us all
GEN, your channel is exactly what this world needs right now! Keep it up
Right?! I dislike Tate's views and the leftist ones disgust me, finally a sensible and nuanced take on this issue. I hope more people and especially teenage kids watch this, I think they need it.
What one of the ladies said about valuing our men more is golden. Each sex hating the other only breeds more hurt, loneliness, and dissatisfaction on both sides. Let’s learn to love and respect men in society more and be there for them. We need them just as much as they need us.
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I agree, also someone got shadowbanned
“People who transition from woman to man, they get interrupted less, people care about what they say”
You forgot to add the part where guys will hold you at arms length and girls will hold you at skyscraper’s length. Everyone has their guard up around you, and the only way to get it down is to either become really good friends with someone or turn gay or female so women will treat you like a respectable, trustworthy human being again
There's privileges and disadvantages for both sides
Or maybe trying to become independent (also financially) , skilled, emotionally stable and valid member of the society. If a man does that then it will create for itself a place where it can be appreciated and not seen as a threat to others or a failure. And this can be done by taking risks, putting the efforts in something, dedicating yourself to an activity and finding the strength within yourself.
All these women talking about masculinity have no idea that this is what men should do to not be seen as a failure, but they still feel like telling men what to do, without realizing the damage they can do to people.
Youre never gonna shame the toxic out of people. Trying to fight "toxic masculinity" by shaming men, blaming men, and treating men like shit is only going to breed more internalized hate into men and more seperation between eachother
EXACTLY! But they don't want to hear that side though. They use that to bag on Men, and not get called out for it. It's crazy.
That's why it is important for society to invest in dismantling gender roles and stereotypes
Patriarchy should be eradicated !
@@Gabriel_Domingues cities are where the educated live
@@peterparker9954no, the patriarchy is already shattered and it’s causing several issues already.
the woman saying men should just ask for help sent me bro. whenever they do all they get in reply is "bUt iF yOU wErENt ToXIC MaScULiNItY maYbE U WouLD Be HaPpY"
Oi legit! I facepalmed
Nah, men who ask for help dusky get it. The people who shame them for asking are both men and women. Men tell other men they aren’t being men, and women tell men they are weak. You must be chronically online if you think what you wrote is true.
"They never express themselves" cause you'll call us "bitches" for it
Addressing the role of fathers by Richard at about 14:30 is bang on. Both young boys and young girls need their fathers, and they need them to be masculine fathers. Both boys and girls learn emotional maturity and resiliency from their fathers, playfighting is a huge factor in this, for boys AND girls. And fathers set boundaries and show children what is acceptable and what isn't, he teaches them the boundaries of acceptable social interactions, and in doing so demonstrates the kind of treatment a woman should expect from a man before she engages in a relationship, and how a man treats a woman before engaging in a relationship. Fatherless behaviour has become a term for a reason.
The lack of fathers/fatherhood in not just men but kids in general is why crime is up so high and so many people wind up not being able to go forward with life achievement
The real question is why is there an increase in fatherlessness?
@HaggisMuncher-69-420 probably because they didn't have an influence before them, an avoidance of responsibility, "her body, her problem". The not finding purpose is a huge factor too, and the way that they may have been so put down growing up they probably don't see a point in continuing the cycle. There's a lot of research into it, I just haven't looked into it for a while
@@stardreamer625 her body her problem? That's bollocks. Women can abort on a whim, and they can divorce on the same whim as well (and take half the assets).
You clearly are biased towards females
@hidum5779 I gave a whole slew of possibilities and that's all you got out of it?
@@HaggisMuncher-69-420because men don't want the responsibility of being a father. It's pretty simple.
I was blessed with two wonderful parents, especially my father! I am so sad for all these modern generations who never had that blessing!
I found this channel yesterday and ive been binge watching it. I love how you're able to let people say what they want to say and voice their opinions instead of censoring it to fit yours. Its a breath of fresh air that's really inspiring. Keep it up!
Men and women, masculinity and femininity complement and balance one another. It shouldn't be framed or interpreted as a war. We're all people trying to coexist in society and need to appreciate and lean on others' strengths.
The problem with feminism has been that they try to tell women to be masculine and to compete directly with men in fields that they don't want to compete in. It assumes women are inferior, unless they can fight and battle like men, while forgetting about valuable female traits
Go tell women that.
the problem is that 65% of fems votes for toxicity in all the west and deep inside you know the wont stop with the devastation, since they push for more and more unaccountability, no society in the past survived when they got out of control without responsibility for their actions, YOU KNOW THEY WONT STOP
@@asparrow9876 Again, you're lumping a group of people together. Countless women think the same way she does, you just have not been around them because the people you are surrounding yourself with think the same way you do, hence there will be no growth. If what she said is something you agree with, you should be able to properly agree with her, instead of pointing it out as something that is faulted.
@@DaphneGold-nc5ek Lmfao. My point is we're not the ones who need to hear it, it's the tonedeaf ones on your side. 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
Just a nitpick, but when women say "i can't go out at night without felling unsafe", I think that's an US thing, I live in brasil, it doesn't matter the time of day you go out, you always have to stay on alert
I really loved what That guy said about how we need to elevate traditionally women’s work if we want all genders to take on that work. I work at a preschool with male teachers who are very nurturing. Men are capable of women’s work just as much as women are capable of men’s work. This is why I hate the stereotypes. When people talk about how husbands are sloppy and wives clean up after them, I can’t relate. My husband is neat and organized and helps keep me organized too. People are all different with different strengths and it really has little to do with gender.
"as much as women are capable of mens work" Eagerly awaiting you feminist simpletons to march for diversity quotas in the military draft and dangerous, dirty jobs like oil rigs and construction. Until you stop relying on men doing all the heavy lifting, I'm not going to concede that we're equal. Equal value perhaps, but certainly not equal output or equal effort.
That girl with the glasses is hilarious. She says men need to be more “feminine” and that they should express themselves more and “be themselves” then proceeds to say that most men won’t even be considered by her. That was funny asf
Yeh she totally backtracks, "be yourself, but well a better version of yourself that matches up to my requirements." In other words, don't be yourself, be someone else.
Men being more expressive is why all these women have bad experiences with men, they never met a man who can control his emotions
you mixed up different concepts. When she said men should be themselves, she's saying in a general sense to the general public who most likely will have nothing to do with her personally, encouraging men to break stereotypes of what a "real men" should be. When she said "considered by her" she's only talking about what she's looking for in potential mates specific to her, which is a totally different thing. Ideally she would want someone to match her standards while being themselves, so she wasn't contradicting.
@dian277 No, she did exactly what we said she did & contradicted herself. And unfortunately most women will be exactly the same. They tell you 1 thing, but in reality it's the total opposite.
Women pretend that they want men to be like 1 of their girlfriends and in touch with their emotions etc. But I guarantee when they're with a man who's like that it will be a total turn off & they'll go looking for a masculine man who can control his emotions. The moral of the story is ignore what they say.
Someone tolerate your kind doesen't mean she'll f*ck with you
Thank you for this video. I have been loud about the struggle men are going through in our society and of course, people are dismissive
I had to take a required 4th year University class that literally taught that masculinity was inherently toxic. Also taught that gender was a spectrum. And I was scolded when I had questions going against these “theories”. Unbelievable
syndromes arent an spectrum, something went wrong
I think the whole obsession with genders and pronouns is being forced through very woke colleges, i never heard anybody say that there are more than 2 genders, what pronouns you use or if gender is a spectrum until recently.
What's your major? I'm curious.
@@jean4j_ I studied kinesiology- human kinetics major. Worked in athletic therapy and high level athletic development
@@treytox Damn... I thought you studied some kind of social sciences or something.
It's insane that they teach you such stuffs which are not even rooted in Science. It's outrageous.
Toxic feminism has surpassed toxic masculinity.
look how easy it wasfor the interviewer to find toxic women than toxic men. basically toxic masculinity doesnt exist
@@sirmister9099 Yeah, toxic men are in their basement enrolling is something like Hustlers University.
@@That_One_Guy434 constant attempt to feminize men and make male traits negative and female traits positive. it has to do with biological female solipsism that makes women believe the world is meant to service them in particular.
one girl thought men dont express emotions while another said masculinity should be removed from society because male monkeys were too emotional and fight. kind of dumb dont you think?
@@That_One_Guy434 sounds like a boogie man. better get that checked out
@@sirmister9099 Not in my basement though.
I'm to broke to spend 50$ a month on an online Univeristy.
I love the amount of effort and research you put into this, it must of taken a lot of hours. Fantastic job!
Yes! Finally I have stumbled into an oasis of reasonable thought on youtube! love what you're doing here.
'Of Boys and Men' was a great read and it's amazing that you got the opportunity to interview Richard Reeves for this video. Fantastic work as always and looking forward to your next project!
Mad respect for how you've handled this subject Gen.
Oh my god the preasure and the responsibilities...
This video reminds me of a very famous quote:
"The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life."
-Rocky
Love this
THANK YOU!!! A channel who actually added some nuance to the conversation. Big shout-out to you for interviewing Richard Reeves. You're becoming like the street interviewer version of Chris Williamson.
Being a good man means being the person those close to you need you to be. That doesn’t mean being what YOU believe they need it means being what THEY need. Being a good man or a good woman means sacrifice, it means service, it means love
At this point I will live on moon bc I can’t deal with this dumb shit.. especially as a teenager
same bro, im 15 yo and want to become a monk and move to the mountains just to get away from this bs..
I feel you. My wish is to live somewhere high up north in Norway in a small hut.
Exactly. I'm 17 and am just done with all the B.S society throws around.
@@ecw613 same bro I’m 17 and I’m all done with this bs us guys have to go through.. like ladies it’s not toxic if we are masculine
@@horse7379 frick the mountains send me to space so I could go be with the aliens
Masculinity is a virtue.
You went so far this time with the research and editing. The quality of your videos keeps improving
Yeah I agree and we need this channel more than ever ! As a teacher I will tell my tell my high school students to watch it so they can have a healthy debate in class and express their personal opinion. Lots of love from France!
It is obvious to me that the internet and social media over the last 20 years has allowed both men and woman to become detached from each other, while being influenced by people they find to be correct from their online popularity.
I don't think Men and Woman have become for detached from one another per say, since back in the days it was "This is boy stuff, and this is girl stuff" and now that line has been blurred. What I think is that Men and Woman are becoming more hostile toward each other, and undermine each other's experiences
I wouldnt say detached. But I would say the large majority of women have masculinized in some way which has a net negative affect on relationships/marriage. How is a masculine women supposed to be a good partner for a man? In a perfect world masculine women pair with feminine men, however, the large majority of women look down heavily on feminine men. On the flip side a large number of men have de-masculinized to make room for women's progress only to find out feminine men are not attractive to women. If we have any hope of stabilizing society we need to re-embrace traditionalism/monogamy in some way because modernism/polygyny will de-stabilize society and make the large majority of men and women unhappy.
@@healthymindhappierlife5089 Lol. There’s no such thing as a masculine or feminine personality. It’s a myth. Masculinity and femininity only really makes sense in terms of biological sex differences.
Your idea of “masculinized” has no scientific validity. “Masculine” women are fine. It seems like you’re annoyed that gendered stereotypes aren’t getting the same importance they once got before, so now you want to try to turn back time for your own personal comfort. That’s a You problem. There’s no evidence that “masculine” women are the cause of societal instability. The cause is most likely rising economic inequality + inflation + the negative impacts of social media on mental health. Your weird pseudoscientific explanation about masculinization isn’t it. Deal with it
No one talks about red pill.
Its called capitalism, also divide and conquer
girl really called us monkeys
She was giving an example
You cant convince me that kandy kong isnt actually michelle obama
based
Fucking feto over here
*geto
This channel is so underrated, GEN you deserve so many more subs
We will get there! thanks for the support
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” ― G. Michael Hopf, Those Who Remain
The strong men will arise soon I will see you at the top
@@bananabandit2Corny ash😭👎🏾
Damn right
It seem to me that men just like to suffer, it's really easy for men in the western world to use this quote when your home isn't a bombing ground for a dictatorship government and half of your family is gone due to war.
it's a dumb quote though. The last two world wars where created by strong men, who did not create good times.
Gen is what the media portrays themselves to be because he allows both side to talk and lets the viewers decide for themselves what they believe
I can relate to many things here. My male role model is my dad - he's just an incredibly smart, high functioning person, who had a very successful medical career. He is not social at all, spends all his time in his incredibly technical medical books and barely remember birthdays and anniversary but he is quirky and fun sometimes. I kind of inherited that in a way I work in very niche areas and have very limited interests, all around tech. I do not have, nor ever had male friends and always enjoyed solitude - to work, reflect, think, rest. My current friends are all ladies, all met through my spouse. They're her friends, cousins, etc. They created a comfortable space for me, and I enjoy their company, their interests, activities ... and their conversations are very refreshing in my seemingly dull and established routine. I feel like it's an opening to a very different world, but at the same time I just can't seem to connect with guys.
Get fit, get money, get hobbies, increase intelligence, practice peace and mindfulness, give to the needy, respect others, build a brotherhood, stop watching porn and masturbating, hug your family, lead the way, take initiative, talk with a strong but supportive voice, stop addictions, moderate your behavior and most of all, Love yourself and stop needing validation/attention from others - be your own best friend, not your own worst enemy and you'll be a beast my brother. Keep strong and carry on.
So you're talking of an utopia...
@@spagooter1807 tldr
@PieroMinayaRojas all at takes is self discipline really
Why should I stop masturbating? I'm not asexual.
Masculinity isn't toxic. Aspects of masculinity, taken to the extremes in isolation are toxic. But a true masculine person isn't just strong, uncomprimising and emotionless. He is also caring for those around him, empathetic when it is needed and open to comprimising, when possible.
millennial here. Before I was scared to talk to girls because I wanted to say the right thing and wanted them to like me. Now I'm scared to talk to girls because I don't want to be a "creep" or be toxic.
This video is very well done. Thankfully, I am a 44 year old man who largely missed the destructive feminist propaganda of the mid-2000's. I met my wife and married young. She, despite becoming an accomplished CPA, is very traditional and told me early on that she wanted to stay home and raise children. She expected me to assume the masculine role and to make decisions for the family. She runs the house, but I run the household.
this was an extremely well put together video, and this topic has loosely been on my mind lately. thank you for bringing in an expert opinion as well as hearing from people on the streets. it brings a unique perspective from the general pop and someone who intensely studied this specific topic 💜
loved this video a lot
Yet another Gen W. This was a great video that explored the topic from both a male and female perspective, and helped to convey the message that both men and women need to work together to address this issue before it presents further problems for society as a whole. Keep it up man, I'm looking forward to watching your channel grow because people need to hear questions that challenge their thoughts
"We shouldn't define what's good and Bad , We should let everybody define what's good and Bad For him" Said the girl with pink hair: A world without rules is named Chaos.
Pink hair what's wrong with it
@@rimondas6729 What she said.
He only says she has pink hair so we can remember who he’s talking about
Another Banger, great work man been watching you somewhere around the start
When my parents divorced, I actually got a closer relationship to my dad. When my parents were together, my dad would go to work and come home and work on the computer the rest of the day. When my parents got divorced, I would see my dad every other weekend and play poker with him.
Gen- Thank you for your willingness to explore these topics when it can seem wrong to even ask questions about them. I subscribed to you after I watched your channel for the first time. It's been so refreshing to see such an unbiased and educated approach to journalism.
Thank you GEN for your informative and educational view on this topic. This is honest journalism. Stay true to yourself and your format. ✌️
WOW. This was sooo good to watch and made me tear up and I am a woman. I Love Men and respect them. We need them and they are in desperate NEED of role models and God
Good Job! This needs to be more main stream! The amount of people on my campus who are "kill all men" activists is painful to see everytime I go to classes. I really wish people were more open minded and kinder to each other.
I don’t understand how anyone can get away with that statement…..if you put any other group at the end of that sentence you would probably be charged with a hate crime.
Bruh fr though 💀
Where can I sign up???
Nah jk that's a bit much
The fact some of the people hit so many angles of these issues shows how complex this is. The biggest underlying issue with all of this is the constant beating people down for stupid superficial traits like what gender they are or the color of their skin and things like that.
hey! C'est Montréal ça!
I'm a Xennial, I've grown up in a world that doesn't exist any more.
My dad was and is still a Legend.
I'm very close to my daughter, I've been with my wife for 20 years and believe me, at some point in your life as a man, especially a Father, you have to be stoic and maybe, not hide your emotion, but at least "nerf them".
Because being vulnerable isn't that big of a deal in the eyes of your wife, but being weak can be a deal breaker.
Thanks for your video, I really appreciate the time, effort and interest in what might be the downfall of our society.
If you break the family, you break society.
As a woman, the only adversity I've ever faced was not being taken seriously in a workplace and perceiving that I was being put on the back burner (doesn't make it true, just a perceived view) and being criticized for having any type of emotion. I think the only real advantage men have is that they can get upset and people say "oh he's having a bad day" or he just needs to vent, but when women do it we're criticized as too emotional, dramatic, or it just being our nature to naturally break where men can bend. All that said, these are not experiences unique to just men or just women. Men also have this expectation of putting on a brave face in a crisis and keeping their cool, but can be looked down on for getting upset or showing emotion. I think in a way, we put these expectations on ourselves and over time develop this anger about it, but we want to pin that anger onto something tangible and put them at fault as a way to feel better about it, it just so happens to be in the form of gender-blaming. Most people just can't see the logical side of it because they're blinded by that anger they feel about something seeming unfair.
Maybe women should be educated to not be psycological abusive and emotional manipulative and men can open their feelings...
Thats not cz u are a woman that usually cz u are the new one... every man experience the same...
Have you ever been on Instagram ?
Either you must be f**k ugly or don't have any social media account except for TH-cam
Women are the worst victims of cyber bullying !
It's not just women that feel that way, guys are always being ignored when they propose stuff in the workplace, It's the top of the food chain males that are heard most often
@@iliaselbourji1865 We just gonna ignore that it was and still is to a degree normal for men to abuse women? You can’t just pin this issue on women. Op made a very good point, but you’d don’t care about that, you just wanted to spew your rhetoric. It’s guys like you that’s re the problem. You want us to listen to you, but you don’t want to listen to us. It’s pathetic.
@iliaselbourji1865 facts. Ive met so many women who know the power they have and use it to their advantage and are deliberately manipulative in a very malicious way.
Such high quality videos! Quality I would expect from a channel with a team and well over a million subscribers.
For sure there's an attack on men in general, we live in a crazy messed up world with double standards where a woman can physically hit a man and nothing happens, but if a man hits a woman he gets charged with assault, I wonder if he could get off those charges by identifying as a woman?
One in six men are victims of domestic abuse - UK Home Office statistics.
5:00 This doesn't sound like removing masculine aggression, testosterone will always exist. This sounds like eugenics removing people who have mental disorders that make them confrontational.
Yeah it sounds more like some other people living 80 years ago
I mean.........
Utterly impossible as well.
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@@The_fisher.o7 you sound like new age guru hell that’s i rather live at that time
My girlfriend is one of the kindest, most empathetic, genuinely good people I've met, yet somehow even she has a hard time hearing about men's issues without pushing back. Her first instinct is to a whataboutism for women or assuming the man is to blame. Western culture has conditioned women and men to treat men this way and it is sad and unlikely to change.
It’s not whataboutism. It’s your girlfriend being smart and seeing reality clearly. Women are disproportionately affected. Men ARE to blame for their own issues. Men are the ones who run the societal systems. Men are the ones at the highest echelon of power. Why don’t men band together and engage in activism to help each other? Why do they come up with these stupid ideas like “alpha” and “sigma” and “beta”? Why do push ridiculous ideas like, “sexual marketplace” that treat human beings like commodities to be traded? I don’t see women pushing any of this garbage. These are just some examples.
Women are where we are today, comparatively speaking, because we banded together and fought for change. Why don’t men band together and do the same? Unless men come together as a collective and try to make a change they’ll continue to stay stuck. How is that anyone’s fault but their own?
I've found that it's also from a historical mindset sometimes. I used to have this myself. When you've been shown men being quite literally stoic legends throughout history, and especially throughout forms of books/movies/and TV shows for years. it's often quite hard to believe that men also face issues, and often need help.
women tend to me more tribalistic, meanwhile men usually compete with each other and are less social
@@dragonsman4733 I agree with you, however, its important to note that historically only 40% of men have reproduced. Meaning on a evolutionary psychological level women are not used to being empathetic to men's struggles because women have historically just picked the winners/survivors to procreate with. It literally is unnatural for women to care about men's struggles and that will not change at scale.
Because she’s going off of her emotions rather than having a thoughtful discussion. This is why I’m not interested in a relationship, some women have this superiority complex and why would I be with someone who can’t even hear my own personal experiences and instead make fun of me for it. Some women have become the exact same thing they’ve hated.
Your channel is a masterpiece dude. Its so encouraging to see other people out there who think more like me, and not everyone has extremely polarizing views.
Gen, this was an excellent piece. I think in 2023 the word Masculinity needs to be seperated from the word toxic. There are toxic people only. I was raised by woman who never told me that being masculine was wrong. I think this newer generation has gotten used to attaching those words together and all its doing is confusing young straight men and teaching them that it is wrong to be masculine. My father was super masculine yet he respected everyone and was a gentleman throughout his life. Thats what we need in this society is gentlemen. Society needs that balance between femininity and masculinity no matter what gender you choose and stop attatching "Toxic" to those words, like I said there are only toxic people.
Fantastic video, dude!
It's very sad, but at least this was a fair video that tried to be objective, not subjective
my dad was a green beret probably the strongest role model any boy could have. i learned everything from him. hunting tracking camping survival fighting how to shoot various type of firearms how to work on a vehicle. my mom was a doctor i learned things like first Aid an cooking and balancing finances from her. i couldn't imagine not having a strong masculine role model now im 30yrs old i know i cant protect my wife an kids and provide for them even if we're in a life or death situation and thanks to my moms teaching my wife doesn't have to do everything by her self like Cooking cleaning an paying bills we both have jobs so whoever gets home first does whats needed
A perfect example of masculinity that I have seen a few people mention, which i agree with is Aragorn from Lord of the rings. Doesn't matter if you like Lord of the rings or not you can ignore that its fantasy etc, just have a google of the character in relation to masculinity and you'll see.
Agreed, I've seen a video with professionals explaining his portrayal of masculinity, and it is quite interesting.
Uncle Iroh
And if you can't live up to that standard then what?
You said it yourself, it's fantasy. Not reality
@@painunending4610 he said that the LOTR was fantasy, not the message
@@dragonsman4733 exactly. The context of it being fantasy is irrelevant
"Men can go on a stroll at midnight" lol its just as scary as a guy wtf they talking about?
Gen is a true digital journalist, like he truly sets the bar high!
Society today and this wave of radical feminism has been repeatedly telling men that they are the root cause of the majority of today’s problems, are no longer needed, their opinions are unimportant, and are told that masculine traits are deemed toxic.
Then these women are surprised when young men are withdrawing from society. They’re not dating, not having friends or support system, not going to college, not in the workforce, and at a greater risk of death by despair. It’s absolutely heartbreaking.
My son is a year old, and I’m fearful of how society will view him when he becomes and teenager and adult. My hope is that the pendulum will swing the other way and will balance itself out.
We as women can lift each other up without pushing men down.
"We as women can lift each other up without pushing men down."
Do you have an example?
right
The pendulum will certainly swing. Seems the resonance frequency has been hit, while the damping approaches zero...
I really like how some women after having a son realise how society is being against men. Like, that's the only way, you learn the truth. Honestly, some of the women do not deserve to be mothers to a son( not talking about you). But you are a good mother. Thanks
"I feel like it's not good to define things on what's right and what's wrong - it's whatever you're feeling like."
So basically murdering and war crimes are okay if you feel like it? What's wrong with these people!
Triple vaxed and constantly brainwashed
They may not be thinking that so that quote is definitely a out of context quote
My dad always thought to open doors for women, show them respect and etc. And he was a man, man. Which other would say: Toxic masculinity. Common sense.
6:29 "When men are seen as oppressors, is there even a room for empathy for men struggles" 🔥 🔥 🔥 that really hit me 😢 so many times I have just keep shut because I know girls will take the wrong side and I will be perceived as one of those stupid violent men, and honestly... That's completely missing the point. We, the good men, just want to be treated like we are not oppressors. People is getting nuts with all this, I think this will end up with more and more alone men, filled with anger to girls, since all the opportunities have been taken away, and that's scary... Nothing worse than a 40's years old, alcoholic man suffering from loneliness. That will be like a snow ball... Buckle up people, if these trends not change will end up in complete disaster
No one is obligated to have a relationship with anyone. If they can't handle it, that is a personal issue
''i dont have any role models" well that make sense
Some people are toxic some aren't. It's literally that simple.
“People care what i have to say”
Men when tf has anyone cared about us or what we have to say? Im 22 and I can’t recall a time where anyone besides my parents gave a flip about me
No one cares about anyone. I'm a 27 year old woman, no one has ever cared abt me aside from my parents (conditional) my husband (conditional, but less than my parents) and my children (unconditional). That's just the reality. Society is doomed. Community hardly exists outside of the internet and it's destroying the world.
@@meepmop809Selfishness is a self-fulfilling prophecy, in that, as more people become selfish, the worse society gets, which in turn, causes more reason and people to become selfish. Personal responsibility will be the only thing that gets us out of this spiral, but every time responsibility is mentioned, people ignore it.
Having models who are kind but strong at the same time is possible whether they are men or women.
The problem will always be the fact that a lot of people lack nuance in this conversation. And the blaming game starts with that
This the divine masculine.
OMG, Gen, this analyse is actually great !
Society currently is going toward a downward spiral, I believe both sides should come together and agree on something somewhat equal
Blah blah blah, you're like everyone else over the past 100 years saying the same crap. You're just as apart of the problem with "society" going down the alleged spiral.
True, mostly that Is a lot on social media, people see some things thru a bubble thinking every men or woman is this or that.
@@akamesb4540 Spot on. I have seen some toxic men and women irl, but people usually tell them to stop being delusional and hateful.
I mostly see these people online as well, and wonder what kind of lives they live cuz ain’t no way they are functioning as well as they claim.