Starfleet: So we are in a war and our current ship designs are not cutting it. We need fresh ideas for "escort" vessels. Engineer: You remember Saucer sepera- Starfleet: As i said we are looking for fresh ideas, we already do Saucer Seperation. Engineer: No, you don´t understand, *MORE Seperation!* Starfleet: You have our undivided attention.
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Y'know...the MVAM get shit on a lot, but it does have it's uses in an escort role since you can have one ship preform the escort duty of three. The Defiant once had trouble dealing with a pair of BoPs that kept using their numbers and cloaks to keep the Defiant off balance until Worf recognized a pattern, one they'd done intentionally to lure him into a trap by tricking him into blowing up a transport vessel that decloaked there instead. Having the ability to split into three would've evened the odds and prevented such tactics from being as effective.
@@rvaughan74 The idea has merit, however the closest "fighter" we've seen is the Peregrine class fighters seen used by the marquis and only a single fleet battle (I think. It's been a while so they may have reused stock footage for other battles) where they did little damage to proper warships, being more of an annoyance and those fighters were relatively large already. So unless there's some changes to how effective small vessel weapons are relative to the defenses of larger ships, the Prometheus and it's MVAM ability seems like a sensible compromise during this era. Though that is something I've pondered, and if I were writing for the new trek series, I'd be introducing an enemy with some new shield-piercer torpedoes that change the balance and force starfleet to come up with new tactical doctrine and designs for dealing with it as well as reverse engineering their own versions of course. I'd suspect highly agile and small craft (i.e. fighters) would become far more sensible torpedo delivery platforms, but I suppose writing that into proper trek is probably a pipe dream for me right now.
@@rvaughan74 There were also Tender class ships. I believe they hauled around frigates/corvettes. I'm going off of that early 2000's computer game, set in FASA's ToS universe (Romulan Plasma, Gorn, etc).
I think they never showed it again was the ship was too OP comparatively. Imagine a whole group of them. What could have plot armor against that? The MVAM presents a strategic option in 1 ship. For naysayers, why don't they just have all Starfleet vessels escorted by smaller vessels? I see multiple reasons for it from a tactical standpoint.
Considering Picards use of saucer separation in Farpoint, I'd have thought more focus on the need to separate modules at Warp would have been among the points of the video. MVAM might seem OP, but the need for warp capable, faster deployment and reliable reconnection of modules is something StarFleet would start researching after Picard did it to bamboozle Q. Not to mention doing it in front of the Borg. It's like a Robot anime where the bad guy waits for the giant robot to assemble, except for this the ship is disassembling. Also, much as I like the concept, I have to admit the design must be a power hungry beast in that you need three warp cores in each ship. Granted, probably not an issue given the Defiant's Core miniaturization tech, but pulling power from three cores and needing storage for the antimatter probably would severely limit the time out on deployment
I love this ship. It's whole design philosophy is, "how can we do long range force projection on the cheap?" Instead of building three long range vessels, they built two short range ones and bolted them to one long range vessel. Then while they were at it, the designers decided to only have one set of support facilities spread across all three ships, and enough automation to allow one dude to fly all three if needed. The design just screams, star empire at fighting a massive war with unbelievable ship and personnel losses looking for an engineering solution to both.
@@ParaSpite Well all 3 parts have their own warp nacelles. I believe the saucer section's warp nacelle only comes out when it is separated from the other 2 parts.
@@megamanx466 Well yes, but to my understanding, the 3 part-vessels were rather slow on their own, and only had a really powerful, fast warp drive when working together.
Escort can mean multiple mission types, ranging from convoy escort to battleship escort- the Prometheus class was very much designed for the latter of these missions
The MVAM definitely should have been filed under nice idea in theory. Aside from that, the design of the Prometheus is one of the best. Looks like a ship you wouldn't want to mess with.
In Beta canon, the Prometheus was the only ship to use that system. Later ships of the class were single body structures and gained a lot of structural stability for it, making an already fromidable warship even more durable. ^^
When I first saw the episode 'Message in a Bottle' where the Prometheus Prototype class was first introduced I had to say it was one of the weirdest Federation Starship designs I had ever seen a Federation Starship that splits up into 3 sections that were heavily armed and warp capable was pretty impresive and it would be neat to see a future Enterprise with a design matching that of the Prometheus class an Enterprise with a multi vector assault mode would make it the strongest Enterprise design in the history of Federation starships called Enterprise.
I'm surprised Starfleet didn't continue to make more the 90s gimmick toys I mean multi-vector assault ships. Seems like they could have been profitable.
On balance, it makes more sense to make a fleet of a single type of ship. Why bother expending more resources than neccessary if one ship fulfills all roles?
"…fastest…starship in service…" "Warp 9.9 for short periods" The Intrepid Class cruising at 9.975: >_> (Before you reply, I did notice the graphic correctly reads its maximum velocity as 9.99.)
The Prometheus Class was still in use in I think the 27th century when the Enterprise J was used. When Archer was on the J there were a few ships seen in the window fighting. One of them was a Prometheus Class.
Thanks for the interesting look at one of my favourite ships , It captivated me as soon as I saw it plus the episode was great. I do like the Doctor and the Mark 2
@@SirAroace We do see it used in the 26th century, so at the very least the ships was good enough to remain in service for even longer than the Miranda.
@@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870 Yeah that or the CGI team at ENT was either to lazy or to poor to make a new ship so they used "the most advanced" ship from the last show.
That Shipbreaker game sure has potential for interesting situations. I've just watched Scot Manley's video where he managed to one-up your "armour plate to the face" situation by actually getting swatted by the incoming armour plate straight into the furnace...
They probably realized that it didn't make a lot of tactical sense to split one powerful vessel into 3 weaker vessels. They could just use 3 smaller ships if they wanted 3 smaller ships.
@@theshlauf Yeah, but it wouldn't be as reliable as one powerful ship. Regardless of how well they connect to one another, there would be some serious structural integrity concerns to be addressed. A tactically minded organization would try to pack as much firepower as possible into the smallest, most agile, most reliable, most durable, and most efficiently efficient to produce and refit/overhaul ship possible. One of the biggest persistent problems Starfleet had was being spread too thin after all. MACO would have known better.
Ah, there's that _STO_ BGM. The successor, the Hestia-class, looks a bit sleeker. But I like the Chimera-class better than the Prometheus-class: It's got a Phaser Lotus setting.
I like both of the aforementioned vessels, but when it comes to federation star ships, even though it is from an alternate time line, my GOAT wills always be the Galaxy-X until they can trump it. That main gun makes me moist.
I'd never made the link between Multi Vector Assault Mode and the saucer separation of the Galaxy class, but it is a logical development and is now officially part of my own Head-Cannon.
I really don't know how anyone could take seriously Starfleet "I-swear-it-isn't-a-warship" classifications. Like "Long range escort" is so clearly an oxymoron, atleast in the age of the industrial replicator carrying floating cities that are Galaxy class heavy cruisers. Also why couldn't the Federation start mass producing phased cloaking devices? Afterall during the later stages of the Dominion War the Romulans were on their side.
My question for Picard and later is why they don't start implementing cloaking devices at all. The Treaty of Algeron is dead with the destruction of Romulus and the collapse of the Star Empire. Starfleet knows how to make them, the treaty is the only reason they didn't.
I'm no Trekkie, but my impression from the Federation-Romulan alliance during the Dominion War was more a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" affair. I don't think either side truly trusted each other, and certainly not enough to mass produce those phased cloaking devices.
You may say that about "Long Range Escorts", but don't forget the Germans called their bombers "Airliners", which were actually airliners but were designed from the ground up as bombers, masquerading as airliners until they were needed and promptly converted. :P
We don't really know the specifics of the treaty, like who signed it and what it protects. Cloaking tech was never a mystery to starfleet and they could have implemented on their ships at any time. Whatever was on the treaty was important and the federation took it very seriously.
Does make you wonder how much firepower she has together if the three parts can make such short work of 3 Romulan Warbirds. The core concept isn't all that bad as some situations could change to where it would be beneficial to have three separate ships. That said, it feels like this is meant as a main-stay tactic of the ship rather than a situational tool.
I have used & commanded the prometheus class starship plenty of times on Star Trek online. Absolutely cool, helpful & a very convenient starship for multi-defensive purposes when it comes to battling multiples of starships.
I happen to like the ship. I mean what was the point of splitting the Enterprise when dealing with the Borg? Its kind of part of star trek lore that the more targets there are the less firepower you can concentrate on a single target. So it would make sense with this design to start the fight as a single ship and when the shields begin to get low go into the multi-vector mode. Also having three ships in one means triple the redundancy. There's a warpcore overload? well just split that 1/3rd of the ship off and you still have 2 left. Need to escape a hopeless battle? Program two sections to hold back the enemy while you retreat in the 3rd. In fact it would make sense for all Starfleet ships dedicated to deep space exploration to have at least 2 warp capable sections that can separate as escape pods would pretty much be useless.
Honestly? I like the MVAM. It takes 'divide and conquer' and flips it on its head. The ship itself is bulky, not terribly fast when turning/performing sublight maneuvers, but the MVAM allows it to split that bulk into three separate but equally devastating smaller warships that then gang up on a single target and rip it to pieces. It easily obliterated a D'deridex-class Warbird, a ship known for its resiliency, and drove off a Tal'Shiar task force the second the ship was back in Federation hands. Seems like a pretty good ship to me.
Favorite moment from this episode is we finally get to see defiant class ships used in their intended role. Flanking a more powerful heavy hitter like the Akira , allowing it to tank while they go around the flanks in strafing runs. I also imagine if the Nebula had not been disabled it would have hung back in the second line providing shield support while just spamming torpedoes. Honestly even without the Prometheus those 3 warbirds where in serious trouble. Least favorite moment was any scene with Andy Dick in it.
I guess the tiny crew, automation and multi-vector modes make sense when you take into account that the Dominion war left Starfleet with a workforce shortage and severely reduced ship-building facilities.
It's a good thing that they designed the ship with a high level of automation since they still haven't found a way to build a ship without high levels of super enriched explodium behind each control panel on the Bridge. Until they cross that technological threshold, automation is key.
The Prometheus was my favorite Voyager-era Federation starship. I have the Eaglemoss model; it was actually 1 of 3 that convinced me to buy Eaglemoss' Star Trek models in the first place. Though I have to admit the dinky little warp engine that pops out of the saucer section is stupid. If such a small warp engine can move that big saucer section around, why does the ship need 4 huge warp engines? Don't tell me it's because they have to handle more power, I get that, but as far as I know that dinky little engine on top of the saucer section is rated for high warp, which means the 4 huge ones don't need to be _that much_ bigger to handle their duties. They should've left the saucer section as an escape vessel like it was on the 1701-D, with maybe the capacity for warp 2 so the crew doesn't die of old age before reaching the nearest starbase.
I always took it as an efficiency thing. Small ones work, but larger ones tend to be more efficient. Voyager, with its tiny nacelles, is still thought to be efficient, so it’s not 100%. But that’s the best answer I can provide
I would say generally because those ships are underpowered in comparison. The reason they brought in the Defiant was because Runabouts weren't going to cut it against the Jem'Hadar. The Peregrines were alright but they really weren't decisive. The concept of this ship is stick three Defiant caliber ships into one. I think it's a better design for long distance warp travel as a combined unit, then you get the added firepower and three fully powered escorts when it separates.
Fighters just aren’t that effective in the Star Trek universe for a few reasons. 1 - Highly advanced beam weapons can easily snipe them out of the sky. 2 - Can’t carry a very big power core so the shields/weapons are no match for larger starships.
Would be interesting if Hardspace Shipbreaker would be modable, so we could maybe someday get our hands on Iconic Movie spaceships to take them appart. You never know what Suprises you could find in a Star Destroyer or a Battlestar... or an old NCC Federation Ship. xD
I see the multi-vector saucer separation idea as an attempt at force projection. By turning one ship into 3 you can now be in 3 places at once. if you find yourself outnumbers you split your ship into 3. that's 3 targets drawing fire instead of one.
Tbh, the Constitution Class refit is considered a Battlecruiser. So basically the Prometheus Class can be also considered as a Battleship.. since the ship have more weapons like the Sovereign Class and the Defiant Class..
Problem with Starfleet is that it's trying not to be too aggressive even though it's clearly a warship. Personally, I find that stupid. The Prometheus-class should be classified as a "tactical assault cruisers" or "advanced heavy cruiser". It's too big to be an escort like the Defiant-class and it's smaller than explorer classes like a Nebula-class (now I'd love see that one being refitted as a battleship if Starfleet adds the tactical and include retractable pulse phasers and a set of micro-photon torpedo launchers in strategic areas of the hull). I actually like the multi-vector assault mode. That's a clear mastery of automation and advanced technology given the state of beta and alpha quadrants. The Klingons are too focused on offensive power while stuck on a conservative ship design language and the Romulans are too heavily reliant on their cloak and intimidation factor. Then there's the Dominion and the Breen. They just have a lot of big ships and too many smaller attack shops and fighters. Let's also not forget the Borg. Their high level of threat shouldn't be ignored. I think the use off multi-vector mode is an ingenious show of force projection while use pack attack to to swarming tactics in overwhelming much larger vessels. Purpose-built warships like the Prometheus and the Defiant are a very necessary "evil". When things get ugly, it's getter to have warships like them than risk vessels who aren't made for war.
I actually love the design of the Prometheus Class. The Multi-Vector Assault mode was dumb. But the design I really liked. Arrowhead saucer, implies a more aggressive mission profile. Perfect for a tactical vessel. The four Nacelles for redundancy and extra push to hit and maintain those high warp speeds The Multi-Vector Assault mode is just silly, while I can see it as the ultimate endpoint of Saucer separation technology it still has problems and I'd like to think starfleet kept making the class even without the MVAM.
I think that they phased out the multi-vector mode due to the high maintenance it required. Can't get that kind of attention on the frontier or in an ongoing war.
There was an obscure science fiction TV series from 1977 called "Quark". It was a comedy set aboard a United Galaxy Sanitation Patrol Cruiser (aka garbage scow). I'd be interested in your thoughts on that ship as well as vessels from other old and largely forgotten science fiction shows.
Interessting: the display of the general specifications shows us something that looks like Voyagers Landing Struts but thes aren't mentioned anywhere else or by anyone else.
It’s the reverse Voltron ship. Also, something about this makes me think of Drachinifel’s coverage of the French pre-dreadnought steam battleship development line.
First time I saw ST: Voyager, Message In a Bottle, I had to laugh my ass off when the Doctor activated the Prometheus' EMH and saw it was Andy Penis playing the role. LMAO
I just noticed the top segment of the Prometheus looks a lot like the ship Darkstar from the classic film by the same name by Dan O'Bannon and John Carpenter.
So which segments got the three torpedo launchers? - One each (forward) - One chunk (forward & back), one chunk (forward), with the arrowhead relegated to phasers. - One chunk (two-forward, one back) getting them all, like an Intrepid. Kinda looks like the arrowhead (with smallest nacelles and least likelihood of a torpedo launcher) wouldn't be separated at every engagement.
I am working on a fanfiction story based on this ship. Well to be more accurate a bigger Prometheus. Bigger than Galaxy class. The Federations first Dreadnought class ship. With a description on why the multi vector mode was ditched. Amongst other things removed & added. The Enterprise-J is massive & my dreadnought still doesn't match it in size
May be do an episode what the different classes are for eg heavy cruiser, escort, explorer vessel, and try and see which are warships vs multi mission ships.
I would like to see you delve into ships from the Traveller RPG--the first ever sci-fi RPG, IIRC? There was a lot that come out in the game for a fair amount of the canon ships--including deck plans for encounters inside a ship. Many such as the Beowulf-cass Free Trader are true overlooked icons of starship design.
Escorts don´t really have the selve sufficency for long journeys that a cruiser brings. They also don´t have as large of a crew and are build for combat first and anything else second, making them less universal in use.
I would love an exploratory version of this ship, scaled up to Galaxy class size if not a little larger, with each section having its own hangar bay from which it could deploy fighters or Danube class runabouts. With the 3 main sections and 3 runabouts per section (plus the captain's yacht) it would be a small 13 ship fleet all by itself and capable of rapid scientific investigation as well as being extremely good at pack tactic combat.
When Spacedock did their video of the Star Wars book Alphabet Squadron they what all over the idea of mixed Starfighter squadrons and now we have seen that exact thing in the new Star Wars Squadron video game. We can see a line Y-wing doing a sad bombing run.
Do the cosmo falcon starfighter from space battleship Yamato. They are both aesthetically pleasing and quite believable with their many manuevering thrusters and vectored thrust. While also being able to fly in atmosphere rather believably
Idk why it never occurred to me before... But I'd love to see breakdowns like this for Gundam. The mobile suits aside, there are so many ships too, and I've always wanted to know more about them
I can see why the Prometheus is one of a kind. Combiners and splitters are realistically impractical even in a sci-fi setting such as Trek. The Promethus is literally 3 starships in 1, in which you might as well build 3 starships and then work on futuristic C3i. Even a Defiant-class carrier would've been more practical. Fun tho, you'd never think Paramount would try to do something obviously out of a Japanese anime.
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@@jaredstultz944 I like that idea.
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+175 internet points for the mention of Planetes. That game does look super fun for us scifi ship fans.
That game looks neat and i like the idea behind it. Hopefully my 12 year old laptop can handle it.
Anyone else remember when Spacedock did the Top Five Most Powerful Federation Starships video for EckhartsLadder and he just shat all over this thing?
I was surprised to see a breakdown considering how much the Prometheus got shit on in that video.
I mean he praises riker pretty highly in the riker maneuver video and we all know how dan likes riker
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
I came specifically to hear the update on that.
I do. Very professional presentation, I'm kinda disappointed...
Starfleet: So we are in a war and our current ship designs are not cutting it. We need fresh ideas for "escort" vessels.
Engineer: You remember Saucer sepera-
Starfleet: As i said we are looking for fresh ideas, we already do Saucer Seperation.
Engineer: No, you don´t understand, *MORE Seperation!*
Starfleet: You have our undivided attention.
The last line put a smile on my face! Lol
Lol, **undivided** ...
You're getting a like specifically for doing your "favorite" ship in Trek.
I don't think it's a coincidence that it was partnered to a sponsorship devoted to breaking starships down into scrap.
@@DrakeAurum Good one!
Lol
Blackbird Interactive: "We want to sponsor a video on your channel. Do whatever topic you want, just mention us"
Spacedock: "Ok. what's your game about?
Blackbird Interactive: "Breaking up wracked ships."
Spacedock: "Well, I have just the right candidate for that...""
Spacedock: **staring at Prometheus menacingly**
Y'know...the MVAM get shit on a lot, but it does have it's uses in an escort role since you can have one ship preform the escort duty of three. The Defiant once had trouble dealing with a pair of BoPs that kept using their numbers and cloaks to keep the Defiant off balance until Worf recognized a pattern, one they'd done intentionally to lure him into a trap by tricking him into blowing up a transport vessel that decloaked there instead. Having the ability to split into three would've evened the odds and prevented such tactics from being as effective.
Or you know Starfleet could just bite the bullet and make fighters to launch.
@@rvaughan74 The idea has merit, however the closest "fighter" we've seen is the Peregrine class fighters seen used by the marquis and only a single fleet battle (I think. It's been a while so they may have reused stock footage for other battles) where they did little damage to proper warships, being more of an annoyance and those fighters were relatively large already.
So unless there's some changes to how effective small vessel weapons are relative to the defenses of larger ships, the Prometheus and it's MVAM ability seems like a sensible compromise during this era.
Though that is something I've pondered, and if I were writing for the new trek series, I'd be introducing an enemy with some new shield-piercer torpedoes that change the balance and force starfleet to come up with new tactical doctrine and designs for dealing with it as well as reverse engineering their own versions of course. I'd suspect highly agile and small craft (i.e. fighters) would become far more sensible torpedo delivery platforms, but I suppose writing that into proper trek is probably a pipe dream for me right now.
@@rvaughan74 There were also Tender class ships. I believe they hauled around frigates/corvettes. I'm going off of that early 2000's computer game, set in FASA's ToS universe (Romulan Plasma, Gorn, etc).
- Multi vector assault mode
- Upgraded defensive systems
- Can take out warbird no f's given
You know, escort ship
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Don’t forget, it is also very tactical
Escort ship is star trek means it is focuused on fire power and manouverabilety, for the cost of selve sufficency that for example a cruser brings.
@@zafranorbian757 I know that. Still ironic a bit, though
Makes ya wonder what the hell its escorting
As cool as the Multi-vector Assault Mode is, I honestly love the ship more by itself all pieced together. It's such a bad-ass looking design!
Agreed, aside from the MVAM is was a cool ship and seemed like a natural progression in war ship design for starfleet.
Don't tell Dan that- but it is slick, yes :)
I think they never showed it again was the ship was too OP comparatively. Imagine a whole group of them. What could have plot armor against that? The MVAM presents a strategic option in 1 ship. For naysayers, why don't they just have all Starfleet vessels escorted by smaller vessels? I see multiple reasons for it from a tactical standpoint.
I'm sorry that you've all been banned from this channel, but you really should know better than to say that kind of thing around these parts.
Considering Picards use of saucer separation in Farpoint, I'd have thought more focus on the need to separate modules at Warp would have been among the points of the video.
MVAM might seem OP, but the need for warp capable, faster deployment and reliable reconnection of modules is something StarFleet would start researching after Picard did it to bamboozle Q.
Not to mention doing it in front of the Borg. It's like a Robot anime where the bad guy waits for the giant robot to assemble, except for this the ship is disassembling.
Also, much as I like the concept, I have to admit the design must be a power hungry beast in that you need three warp cores in each ship. Granted, probably not an issue given the Defiant's Core miniaturization tech, but pulling power from three cores and needing storage for the antimatter probably would severely limit the time out on deployment
I could hear the vomit rising in your throat on "this... unorthodox feature."
oh man, Spacedock's Favorite Star Ship :P
Montel Dublin.
I remember his feelings on this ship 😂😂
Didn't he spend half a video basically cussing this thing? 😂
Well, it IS sponsored by Shipbreaker :P
@@Seth90 lol (Nah, this ship's so automated, it'll even break itself down!)
I love this ship. It's whole design philosophy is, "how can we do long range force projection on the cheap?"
Instead of building three long range vessels, they built two short range ones and bolted them to one long range vessel. Then while they were at it, the designers decided to only have one set of support facilities spread across all three ships, and enough automation to allow one dude to fly all three if needed.
The design just screams, star empire at fighting a massive war with unbelievable ship and personnel losses looking for an engineering solution to both.
Weren't they 3 short-range vessels that can combine their engines to form one long-range vessel?
@@ParaSpite Well all 3 parts have their own warp nacelles. I believe the saucer section's warp nacelle only comes out when it is separated from the other 2 parts.
@@megamanx466
Well yes, but to my understanding, the 3 part-vessels were rather slow on their own, and only had a really powerful, fast warp drive when working together.
@@ParaSpite Perhaps you're right. Maybe we should go and research it(e.g. Google). 🤔
"You know what would make this ship better?"
"What?"
"MULTI VECTOR ASSAULT MODE!" *guitar riff*
EXCELLENT! *waves lighter in the air*
Lol
Last time, I was this early, the Prometheus was still in romulan hands.
Escort can mean multiple mission types, ranging from convoy escort to battleship escort- the Prometheus class was very much designed for the latter of these missions
The MVAM definitely should have been filed under nice idea in theory. Aside from that, the design of the Prometheus is one of the best. Looks like a ship you wouldn't want to mess with.
In Beta canon, the Prometheus was the only ship to use that system. Later ships of the class were single body structures and gained a lot of structural stability for it, making an already fromidable warship even more durable. ^^
I like that, I like that very much.
When I first saw the episode 'Message in a Bottle' where the Prometheus Prototype class was first introduced I had to say it was one of the weirdest Federation Starship designs I had ever seen a Federation Starship that splits up into 3 sections that were heavily armed and warp capable was pretty impresive and it would be neat to see a future Enterprise with a design matching that of the Prometheus class an Enterprise with a multi vector assault mode would make it the strongest Enterprise design in the history of Federation starships called Enterprise.
One of my favorite Starfleet vessels, thank you for covering it
I'm surprised Starfleet didn't continue to make more the 90s gimmick toys I mean multi-vector assault ships. Seems like they could have been profitable.
Ok Ferengi.
How about separation WITH moving warp engines?!
and and... Big lasers on the front on both sides of the bridges.
Anyone else remember when the Federation had more than one type of ship? Those were good times.
But only two ships of each design.
@@moritzries3404 Aside from the several thousand Excelsior and Miranda class vessels.
On balance, it makes more sense to make a fleet of a single type of ship. Why bother expending more resources than neccessary if one ship fulfills all roles?
Shogun Engineering always requires Conpromises.
So identical straights and identical weaknesses.
Even the first JJ movie got this right
"…fastest…starship in service…"
"Warp 9.9 for short periods"
The Intrepid Class cruising at 9.975: >_>
(Before you reply, I did notice the graphic correctly reads its maximum velocity as 9.99.)
Actually, the graphic is technically not correct either. The Prometheus class maxes out at Warp 9.995.
i keep hearing this same mistake everywhere. People mistake 9.99 for 9.9 all the time for some reason
The Prometheus Class was still in use in I think the 27th century when the Enterprise J was used.
When Archer was on the J there were a few ships seen in the window fighting. One of them was a Prometheus Class.
Thanks for the interesting look at one of my favourite ships , It captivated me as soon as I saw it plus the episode was great. I do like the Doctor and the Mark 2
Like the look of this ship. Hate the split function. That's just me.
@@SirAroace We do see it used in the 26th century, so at the very least the ships was good enough to remain in service for even longer than the Miranda.
@@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870 Yeah that or the CGI team at ENT was either to lazy or to poor to make a new ship so they used "the most advanced" ship from the last show.
ZGames But that’s a cool feature of that ship!
@@pricelessppp Yeah, I just don't personally like it. No harm if others do. Just not my cup of tea.
Cuz its a dumb idea... why not just build 3 smaller ships?
You, sir, are a master orator. Able to perform that whole video with a straight, unbiased, voice.
Bravo.
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Montel Dublin.
That Shipbreaker game sure has potential for interesting situations. I've just watched Scot Manley's video where he managed to one-up your "armour plate to the face" situation by actually getting swatted by the incoming armour plate straight into the furnace...
They probably realized that it didn't make a lot of tactical sense to split one powerful vessel into 3 weaker vessels. They could just use 3 smaller ships if they wanted 3 smaller ships.
Better yet, make three smaller ships that can temporarily combine into one powerful ship.
@@theshlauf Yeah, but it wouldn't be as reliable as one powerful ship. Regardless of how well they connect to one another, there would be some serious structural integrity concerns to be addressed. A tactically minded organization would try to pack as much firepower as possible into the smallest, most agile, most reliable, most durable, and most efficiently efficient to produce and refit/overhaul ship possible. One of the biggest persistent problems Starfleet had was being spread too thin after all. MACO would have known better.
@@theshlauf The USS Voltron
Almost certainly a lot cheaper to make three separate ships than one ship that can divide into three.
@@DrakeAurumYep. As Scotty would say, "The right tool for the right job".
Ah, there's that _STO_ BGM. The successor, the Hestia-class, looks a bit sleeker. But I like the Chimera-class better than the Prometheus-class: It's got a Phaser Lotus setting.
I like both of the aforementioned vessels, but when it comes to federation star ships, even though it is from an alternate time line, my GOAT wills always be the Galaxy-X until they can trump it. That main gun makes me moist.
I'd never made the link between Multi Vector Assault Mode and the saucer separation of the Galaxy class, but it is a logical development and is now officially part of my own Head-Cannon.
I really don't know how anyone could take seriously Starfleet "I-swear-it-isn't-a-warship" classifications. Like "Long range escort" is so clearly an oxymoron, atleast in the age of the industrial replicator carrying floating cities that are Galaxy class heavy cruisers.
Also why couldn't the Federation start mass producing phased cloaking devices? Afterall during the later stages of the Dominion War the Romulans were on their side.
My question for Picard and later is why they don't start implementing cloaking devices at all. The Treaty of Algeron is dead with the destruction of Romulus and the collapse of the Star Empire. Starfleet knows how to make them, the treaty is the only reason they didn't.
I'm no Trekkie, but my impression from the Federation-Romulan alliance during the Dominion War was more a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" affair. I don't think either side truly trusted each other, and certainly not enough to mass produce those phased cloaking devices.
@@Restilia_ch This Picard you speak of. It is a long story and we do not discuss it with anyone, ever again.
You may say that about "Long Range Escorts", but don't forget the Germans called their bombers "Airliners", which were actually airliners but were designed from the ground up as bombers, masquerading as airliners until they were needed and promptly converted. :P
We don't really know the specifics of the treaty, like who signed it and what it protects. Cloaking tech was never a mystery to starfleet and they could have implemented on their ships at any time.
Whatever was on the treaty was important and the federation took it very seriously.
Does make you wonder how much firepower she has together if the three parts can make such short work of 3 Romulan Warbirds.
The core concept isn't all that bad as some situations could change to where it would be beneficial to have three separate ships. That said, it feels like this is meant as a main-stay tactic of the ship rather than a situational tool.
Quite a innovative design, i never realized how heavily armed the promethius was.
I have used & commanded the prometheus class starship plenty of times on Star Trek online. Absolutely cool, helpful & a very convenient starship for multi-defensive purposes when it comes to battling multiples of starships.
I happen to like the ship. I mean what was the point of splitting the Enterprise when dealing with the Borg? Its kind of part of star trek lore that the more targets there are the less firepower you can concentrate on a single target. So it would make sense with this design to start the fight as a single ship and when the shields begin to get low go into the multi-vector mode. Also having three ships in one means triple the redundancy. There's a warpcore overload? well just split that 1/3rd of the ship off and you still have 2 left. Need to escape a hopeless battle? Program two sections to hold back the enemy while you retreat in the 3rd. In fact it would make sense for all Starfleet ships dedicated to deep space exploration to have at least 2 warp capable sections that can separate as escape pods would pretty much be useless.
Honestly? I like the MVAM. It takes 'divide and conquer' and flips it on its head. The ship itself is bulky, not terribly fast when turning/performing sublight maneuvers, but the MVAM allows it to split that bulk into three separate but equally devastating smaller warships that then gang up on a single target and rip it to pieces. It easily obliterated a D'deridex-class Warbird, a ship known for its resiliency, and drove off a Tal'Shiar task force the second the ship was back in Federation hands.
Seems like a pretty good ship to me.
I thought "Oh no...." when i viewed the thumbnail of this...
Favorite moment from this episode is we finally get to see defiant class ships used in their intended role. Flanking a more powerful heavy hitter like the Akira , allowing it to tank while they go around the flanks in strafing runs. I also imagine if the Nebula had not been disabled it would have hung back in the second line providing shield support while just spamming torpedoes. Honestly even without the Prometheus those 3 warbirds where in serious trouble. Least favorite moment was any scene with Andy Dick in it.
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I guess the tiny crew, automation and multi-vector modes make sense when you take into account that the Dominion war left Starfleet with a workforce shortage and severely reduced ship-building facilities.
It's a good thing that they designed the ship with a high level of automation since they still haven't found a way to build a ship without high levels of super enriched explodium behind each control panel on the
Bridge. Until they cross that technological threshold, automation is key.
I heard someone say that Starfleet does that on purpose to prevent overpopulation from Kirk and Riker fucking anything with a pulse. 🤣
"they Must think Romulans are onboard"
"THEY'RE RIGHT!"
Love the videos you have been doing. Got addicted this year when I found the channel and love the break down of all the ships
The Prometheus was my favorite Voyager-era Federation starship. I have the Eaglemoss model; it was actually 1 of 3 that convinced me to buy Eaglemoss' Star Trek models in the first place. Though I have to admit the dinky little warp engine that pops out of the saucer section is stupid. If such a small warp engine can move that big saucer section around, why does the ship need 4 huge warp engines? Don't tell me it's because they have to handle more power, I get that, but as far as I know that dinky little engine on top of the saucer section is rated for high warp, which means the 4 huge ones don't need to be _that much_ bigger to handle their duties. They should've left the saucer section as an escape vessel like it was on the 1701-D, with maybe the capacity for warp 2 so the crew doesn't die of old age before reaching the nearest starbase.
I always took it as an efficiency thing. Small ones work, but larger ones tend to be more efficient. Voyager, with its tiny nacelles, is still thought to be efficient, so it’s not 100%. But that’s the best answer I can provide
Why have the ship break up. Simply have a hanger bay for 6 or so enhanced runabouts, or fighters
I would say generally because those ships are underpowered in comparison. The reason they brought in the Defiant was because Runabouts weren't going to cut it against the Jem'Hadar. The Peregrines were alright but they really weren't decisive. The concept of this ship is stick three Defiant caliber ships into one. I think it's a better design for long distance warp travel as a combined unit, then you get the added firepower and three fully powered escorts when it separates.
Fighters just aren’t that effective in the Star Trek universe for a few reasons.
1 - Highly advanced beam weapons can easily snipe them out of the sky.
2 - Can’t carry a very big power core so the shields/weapons are no match for larger starships.
This is Great! Its very accurate and easy to understand,what makes me like this even more is that i finished the prometheus Novel 2 days ago :D
Thank you for not releasing all your videos in 10-20 minute format.... it's so nice to be able to watch a video in less than a day....
Finally! Been waiting for this one!
Very interesting video :) I like how you used the Star Trek Online MMO music theme :)
Would be interesting if Hardspace Shipbreaker would be modable, so we could maybe someday get our hands on Iconic Movie spaceships to take them appart.
You never know what Suprises you could find in a Star Destroyer or a Battlestar... or an old NCC Federation Ship. xD
Nice mention of the anime Planetes!
As always thanks for the vids!
I see the multi-vector saucer separation idea as an attempt at force projection. By turning one ship into 3 you can now be in 3 places at once. if you find yourself outnumbers you split your ship into 3. that's 3 targets drawing fire instead of one.
"Tactical escort"
*Is clearly at least a battlecruiser*
If it can't take out an average fleet single-handedly, how can we reasonably expect it to escort dilithium freighters?
Late 24th Century Starfleet logic right there.
Tbh, the Constitution Class refit is considered a Battlecruiser. So basically the Prometheus Class can be also considered as a Battleship.. since the ship have more weapons like the Sovereign Class and the Defiant Class..
@@thefuzzyvulpine5945 they never called it an "escort" on screen.
Problem with Starfleet is that it's trying not to be too aggressive even though it's clearly a warship. Personally, I find that stupid.
The Prometheus-class should be classified as a "tactical assault cruisers" or "advanced heavy cruiser". It's too big to be an escort like the Defiant-class and it's smaller than explorer classes like a Nebula-class (now I'd love see that one being refitted as a battleship if Starfleet adds the tactical and include retractable pulse phasers and a set of micro-photon torpedo launchers in strategic areas of the hull). I actually like the multi-vector assault mode. That's a clear mastery of automation and advanced technology given the state of beta and alpha quadrants. The Klingons are too focused on offensive power while stuck on a conservative ship design language and the Romulans are too heavily reliant on their cloak and intimidation factor. Then there's the Dominion and the Breen. They just have a lot of big ships and too many smaller attack shops and fighters. Let's also not forget the Borg. Their high level of threat shouldn't be ignored.
I think the use off multi-vector mode is an ingenious show of force projection while use pack attack to to swarming tactics in overwhelming much larger vessels. Purpose-built warships like the Prometheus and the Defiant are a very necessary "evil". When things get ugly, it's getter to have warships like them than risk vessels who aren't made for war.
“Where did the Prometheus go?”
“It had to...”
(Puts on sunglasses)
“...split”
YEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHH!
I've been waiting for this for a long time.
I actually love the design of the Prometheus Class. The Multi-Vector Assault mode was dumb. But the design I really liked.
Arrowhead saucer, implies a more aggressive mission profile. Perfect for a tactical vessel.
The four Nacelles for redundancy and extra push to hit and maintain those high warp speeds
The Multi-Vector Assault mode is just silly, while I can see it as the ultimate endpoint of Saucer separation technology it still has problems and I'd like to think starfleet kept making the class even without the MVAM.
I love the look of this ship. But the whole 'splitting into three' thing is just silly.
I think that they phased out the multi-vector mode due to the high maintenance it required. Can't get that kind of attention on the frontier or in an ongoing war.
Prometheus Class:
Somehow OP AF
Totally impractical
Questionable utility
But rule of cool
I agree with: "...OP AF" & "...rule of cool". It sums up the strongest ship, mobile suit, or etc. in any fictional universe. 😉
1:40 correction : multi vector battling any friendly or hostile unit in range, without a single living being left to maneuver it
There was an obscure science fiction TV series from 1977 called "Quark". It was a comedy set aboard a United Galaxy Sanitation Patrol Cruiser (aka garbage scow). I'd be interested in your thoughts on that ship as well as vessels from other old and largely forgotten science fiction shows.
The only thing wrong with the Prometheus class starships is its size they could have made it bigger.
I loved this ship as a kid, it has all the cool toys!
Awesomeness! Love me a Federation warship finally
that was a fun episode!
especially when the two emh's were like gloating near the end.
This is crazy, I just watched The Prometheus episode last night!
I love the Prometheus 18 Phaser arrays!
That was a great video, thanks.
I think this ship is amazing, nice to have the specs overview.
The Prometheus Class is awesome with it's Multi-Vector Assault Mode or M.V.A.M for short.
I'm just glad i now know someone else who watched and maybe enjoyed the anime "Planetaes"!
I enjoyed that anime, watched it a few times over the years.
Patreons... You did well 😁
Interessting: the display of the general specifications shows us something that looks like Voyagers Landing Struts but thes aren't mentioned anywhere else or by anyone else.
It to bad we didn’t see more of this ship. Would have to see it in more show.
I can see the smirk on Dan´s face :DD
It’s the reverse Voltron ship.
Also, something about this makes me think of Drachinifel’s coverage of the French pre-dreadnought steam battleship development line.
When I first saw this ship I was wowed. It was also the first time I saw an Akira!
I thought Daniel hated this ship, considering his rant from before.
Starfleet's best ship, clearly.
such a cool ship - multi vector assault mode needed to be explored more
wish their was more of it in the different series!
What?! You mean it can’t transform to robot mode in 0.62 seconds?!
They were going to but...budget cuts.
@@AdmiralBlackstar And no one could agree which part was the legs, and which the arms.
@@Corbomite_Meatballs Getter Ray Technology probably got banned in the Khitomer accords or whatever
First time I saw ST: Voyager, Message In a Bottle, I had to laugh my ass off when the Doctor activated the Prometheus' EMH and saw it was Andy Penis playing the role. LMAO
I just noticed the top segment of the Prometheus looks a lot like the ship Darkstar from the classic film by the same name by Dan O'Bannon and John Carpenter.
So which segments got the three torpedo launchers?
- One each (forward)
- One chunk (forward & back), one chunk (forward), with the arrowhead relegated to phasers.
- One chunk (two-forward, one back) getting them all, like an Intrepid.
Kinda looks like the arrowhead (with smallest nacelles and least likelihood of a torpedo launcher) wouldn't be separated at every engagement.
AWWW! I piloted this in STO!
I am working on a fanfiction story based on this ship. Well to be more accurate a bigger Prometheus. Bigger than Galaxy class. The Federations first Dreadnought class ship. With a description on why the multi vector mode was ditched. Amongst other things removed & added. The Enterprise-J is massive & my dreadnought still doesn't match it in size
May be do an episode what the different classes are for eg heavy cruiser, escort, explorer vessel, and try and see which are warships vs multi mission ships.
I would like to see you delve into ships from the Traveller RPG--the first ever sci-fi RPG, IIRC?
There was a lot that come out in the game for a fair amount of the canon ships--including deck plans for encounters inside a ship. Many such as the Beowulf-cass Free Trader are true overlooked icons of starship design.
Loved the use of the Star Trek Online menu theme, I miss that piece.
Would escort be the right word?
I’d say it was more of a cruiser (well 3 in one)
Escorts don´t really have the selve sufficency for long journeys that a cruiser brings. They also don´t have as large of a crew and are build for combat first and anything else second, making them less universal in use.
'Escort' is just the Federation word for 'Warship'
I would love an exploratory version of this ship, scaled up to Galaxy class size if not a little larger, with each section having its own hangar bay from which it could deploy fighters or Danube class runabouts. With the 3 main sections and 3 runabouts per section (plus the captain's yacht) it would be a small 13 ship fleet all by itself and capable of rapid scientific investigation as well as being extremely good at pack tactic combat.
I didn't even realize a Prometheus-class vessel was in the final episode of Voyager!
Leave it to the Federation to let their highly advanced prototype get captured almost immediately.
Pretty sure it is "deep-space tactical assignment" ship, not long range escort.
When Spacedock did their video of the Star Wars book Alphabet Squadron they what all over the idea of mixed Starfighter squadrons and now we have seen that exact thing in the new Star Wars Squadron video game. We can see a line Y-wing doing a sad bombing run.
Do the cosmo falcon starfighter from space battleship Yamato. They are both aesthetically pleasing and quite believable with their many manuevering thrusters and vectored thrust. While also being able to fly in atmosphere rather believably
I was going to get this game anyway. Will use your link to help out.
Idk why it never occurred to me before... But I'd love to see breakdowns like this for Gundam. The mobile suits aside, there are so many ships too, and I've always wanted to know more about them
I can see why the Prometheus is one of a kind. Combiners and splitters are realistically impractical even in a sci-fi setting such as Trek. The Promethus is literally 3 starships in 1, in which you might as well build 3 starships and then work on futuristic C3i. Even a Defiant-class carrier would've been more practical. Fun tho, you'd never think Paramount would try to do something obviously out of a Japanese anime.
Spacedock: *does prometheus*
My teenager butt: *sweats profusely* 😆
That game actually looks awesome!
This is my favorite ship in Star Trek. Even without the MVAM.