For some odd reasons i like this ship and its design, i too play STO and was very glad this ship was added with its multi vector assault mode, i soar the galaxy alot with Prometheus.
Same, while i got multiple chars and 1 klingon still flies that big cruiser they had given for free because he engineer so i figured stop sticking him in birds of prey,and among my feds i still got an engineer on a carrier, my main fed who is tactical has this beautiful one allthough in the cerberus config with the clawed looking nacelles, and some very fun special consoles slotted...
This is basically Starfleet going... "You know when Riker rescued Picard and did better than a fleet of ships by using the saucer and drive section..? Let's build something based on that scenario."
STO has a nice update of this in the form of their Hestia class in my eyes. I do like how in a way this suggests just how OP the Akira can be when Starfleet need to handle 3 D'Deridex and the stolen Prometheus. They send two production model Defiants and a single Akira to take care of all 4/6 ships.
To be fair, they were sent to take out the Prometheus, and there just happened to be 3 D'Deridex warbirds with it. They were also likely just the three closest ships at the time, rather than being a specific assault team put together for this exact purpose.
Typical Starfleet engineers " we're going to make the toughest ship in the Federation with advanced ablative armour, then fit WINDOWS over the ENTIRE HULL "
Better yet....why windows on the middle part section's 'saucer' that is normally concealed/covered by the primary hull? Wtf? Makes as much sense as the floor windows we have been seeing lately...looking at you Titan.
The windows had armour weaved into them to make them actually tougher than the hull itself using advanced science. The windows added to the beauty of the ship when it was one and in MVAM.
Disregarding the multi-vector assault mode, the unified design is one of my favorite Star Trek Designs. With MVA action, it starts to look far less cool, never mind the in universe shenanigans necessary to make it work. However, I think the underlying concept might have some merit if we make the simple assumption that Starfleet warp cores and general power capacity are becoming ever more efficient/powerful. With this in mind, under most ship designs, your internal volume is going to increase faster than your surface area. Now there's the possibility that you can just continue to stick ever more powerful phaser strips on, but there may be some unknown limit on phaser emitter strength vs efficiency. This might make it more effective to increase you surface area via splitting your ship for combat, while keeping it combined might (and apparently does) give you better warp speeds and efficiency. shielding
All they are missing is the USS Daedalus and can both link up to a larger Starfleet ship that transforms to a huge robot named STF-1. 😂 Or it can join the EDF in it’s fight against the Goa’uld or Ori.
@@your_bases_are_belong_to_us I meant Star Trek Fortress 1. STF-1 Just a joke based on the similarities of them Prometheus and Daedalus together on Stargate in 2002, when Robotech did it in 1984.
The saucer section should have its warp nacelles that extend from the sides and not the little ones that come out from the top and bottom and the main nacelles should extend and retract like an x wing fighter
So the ship was supposed to be split into 5 parts; interesting. I wonder, did the person who came up with that idea happen to work on something voltronish or rangery by any chance?
All you fans of this ship design, should really give real credit to whom created that design including multi-vehicular mode used within the USC Liberty. Here's a hint, ROBO TREK the illustrated novel series, created in 1987. That said, Viacom/Paramount got the original works, when its creator attempted a collaboration in the late 1980's. Since then, many of ROBO TREK's ships designs, stories and even other aliens, have shown up in a great many Star Trek series, including Discovery. Nothing like picking apart someone else's artistic, literary works, and trying to claim those as their IP's.
I sort of like the 5 part idea, with the 4th and 5th parts being like Captain's yahts. That would result in 2 smaller ships to fight other smaller ships.
All you fans of this ship design, should really give real credit to whom created that design including multi-vehicular mode used within the USC Liberty. Here's a hint, ROBO TREK the illustrated novel series, created in 1987. That said, Viacom/Paramount got the original works, when its creator attempted a collaboration in the late 1980's. Since then, many of ROBO TREK's ships designs, stories and even other aliens, have shown up in a great many Star Trek series, including Discovery. Nothing like picking apart someone else's artistic, literary works, and trying to claim those as their IP's.
I used to fly one of these on my Tactical officer in STO. I ran the Mirrorverse variant, which was known as the "ISS Shatter-Star". Mirror universe.. starship.. shattered glass. It just kinda worked.
By this logic, NCC-2000 was actually pulled in the early 2270s, and launched in 2385. This explains how the Hathaway, NCC-2593, was launched at approximately the same time as the Excelsior, with a much more advanced number.
Reminds me of my own ship design I made in Avorion. Entire fleet of 5 combined into one ship between an exploration ship for the nose, a mining and salvaging vessel serving as each Nacelle, a top mounted city/starport/academy module, the center warp tug and the optional warship on the bottom of the tug. That way each ship interacted with one another during travel and could split into independent operations when the warp tug dropped them in. Funny part is I came up with it trying to make a mobile shipyard, and the Prometheus class became the inspiration for the scouting nose.
I always wondered, if a Prometheus class lost the middle piece, would the ship be unable to combine? Also, in a situation where the sections couldn't combine, would crew give each pieces a unique name? Or would it just be Prometheus 1, 2 and 3?
Very cool looking ship. I've already likened Sovereign-class Enterprise-E to a McLaren Speedtail and modern Formula 1 and Le Mans Hypercar racers are so ground vehicle aero-optimized as to be goofy looking, so that Grumman X-29 experimental jet with the forward swept wings will do nicely for a visual metaphor. Good job Lieutenant Adam, you are hereby promoted to lieutenant commander.
Maybe you only need nacelles to see each other to get the higher warp factors… after all, exhibit 1… The Phoenix. Zimmerman’s first warp capable ship had the nacelles either side of the missile body and definitely couldn’t see each other.
I always figured there were just separate warp cores for each section, with the top and bottom ones perhaps remotely synchronised by computer systems to operate in tandem for 4-way operation in Voltron mode, and the head section's core just waiting on standby (or perhaps providing an extra boost to shipwide power generation without contributing to the warp system itself) until the three sections divided. The split-core-through-a-separating-hull-via-a-convoluted-setup-of-airlocks-and-semi-redundant-secondary-systems arrangement seems needlessly complicated and susceptible to too many potential points of failure to me - two separate, Defiant-style horizontal cores sounds a lot simpler. - - - Also, since the head section basically looks like the Delta Flyer on a diet of anabolica-laced protein shakes anyway, why couldn't it have similar warp nacelles extend from the wings like Tom Paris' design rather than the piddly little training wheels on the top and bottom? Besides anything else, the Voyager VFX team would already have a basic template to create the CGI model from. Plus, it would have the added implication that Paris' idea had merit if it turned out that the Prometheus' designers had the same thought. I mean, what's more likely - a case of parallel evolution, where the design team of the Prometheus were just as capable of coming up with such a system if the need presented itself, or that Tom "I'm gunna make me a hot rod!" Paris was such an engineering wunderkind that he was capable of single-handedly solving such a problem in a way that an entire team of Starfleet's greatest minds working on the Federation's most complex and advanced new ship couldn't come up with between them? With no formal Starfleet design or engineering training? Using only scavenged parts? _In the Delta Quadrant? _*_Without a fully-equipped shipyard or advanced testing facilities?_* Janeway picked him up from a New Zealand work camp, not the Daystom Institute! It might even explain how Tommy Boy came up with the idea if he'd heard rumours of Starfleet prototypes of a similar shuttle-scale design on the grapevine _before_ coming to Voyager, and just had to figure out how to implement it when it came to building his boy-racer hot-hatch. Meanwhile, fleet designers might have had some success with small-scale implementations and have taken the several years that Voyager had been away to incorporate this innovation into the new, larger Prometheus spaceframe as a handy solution to the unusual form factor. Or, y'know, maybe two flimsy lolly-sticks on pylons made out of straws with no line-of-sight to each other somehow managed to provide enough punch to create a stable field which would allow it to sustain a similar warp velocity to the two sets of whopping great nacelles deemed necessary on the other sections. But that does raise the question - if those teeny little engines are all that are needed for the head section to maintain those speeds, what are those other two hulls compensating for...? Maybe they're just insecure about always being the back legs of the pantomime horse...
Knowing Starfleet they probably went with the single core splitting into two separate cores, they definitely over designed the ship. Which led to weapons fire disabling nearly every system on the ship in a matter of minutes. At least the defiant could take a beating and keep fighting. Two or three upgraded Defiant style core would have worked far better, working in tandem at 50% output for better fuel efficient and as a backup in case one got disabled or ejected during combat. The third small nacelle is supposed to be a warp sustainer not a full drive system which I think is as stupid as having no warp drive on a Galaxy class saucer.
It's not that complicated really - The top ship has a Large Matter feed and a smaller anti matter transverse feed lower ship has the reverse layout (whichever way around it is) and when the ship is linked the warp core is vertical on both parts and the horizontal feeds do nothing - in theory the vertical could turned off to allow maintenance - or the ship can run on just one half core with a slightly slower top speed. So the ship is faster when combined - all ship can maintain the top speed they are going at when separated with warp sustainers though if the arrow head component slows down below it's own top speed it can not get up to it's previous speed again until recombined. Naturally the ship is able to operate in pairs too - separating the lower section or the arrow head away if it has too. You wouldn't want to be in the main arrow head though as it's a glass cannon & can't even run away properly from many ships as it's to slow on it's own. Cute ship though - if a bit quirky
The cores have a magnetic field similar to warp field.All three sperate work but all three together are stronger. Just give the one in the middle the ability to switch polarities. =The separation/realign mode effency. Idk
How in the hell did Starfleet have so many powerful enemies and constantly come across as so weak. The Borg, the Dominion, the Klingons, the Romulus, the Breen, the Gorn, the Tholians said and more. I love the Defiant and the Prometheus. Hell, even DS9 could fight.
Man the way you described how good this vessel is made me wanna go to Utopia Planetia and lease one myself! I want all the bells and wistles! This and the Defiant are my two favorite ships probably.
To make sense of this thing in my head I always thought that this was experiment that was a very limited production run because of how insanely expensive they were, like costing more than a sovereign-class. Maybe they only made a few of these things but also developed another version that lacked the multi vector assault mode and the quad nacelles but still had the heavy firepower, high speed, armor and maneuverability but had a more reasonable cost.
I can't remember where I read it but someone had an interesting suggestion that 3 partially constructed warships of the new class were fused together to save money and time and someone had the wth temptation to keep all three warp cores and have the three different sections stay independent. Every mix up Transformer Combiner Teams? Yeah let's do that! Itll be cool! (Computer remove all caffeine from the design teams replicators)
I gave my Rom Republic Fed-Aligned Captain this for their Tier V ship because a) the irony and b) this ship is the sword of the Romulan Republic, bringing swift justice to her enemies and succor to her friends - and goddamn is it beastly and looks great!
Here's an odd question... if you had two Prometheus class vessels that went into multi-vectoral assault mode and were put back together but mixing its parts between the two ships, is that possible?
A modified galaxy class would be a good carrier. You could probably fit 4 or 5 defiants in a galaxy saucer, emptied of most of its quarters, recreation facilities, and science labs. You could externally mount a few defiant class ships too. But I don't see why Defiant class ships would need to be carried when they're warp capable with good range. Star Fleet needs a peregrine fighter carrier. Or we need to see the peregrines being carried by a suitable ship, a galaxy class, nebular class or a sovereign class.
Thank you for this great breakdown. Honestly, this ship confuses the hell out of me due to its complexity. It seems like a lot to go wrong and I think it might be better to be automated, just in case this toy breaks down with its...effectivness?
After having this realization no one can convince me the Defiant class isn't the meanest ship in Starfleet. The Defiant is the ONLY ship to not follow Starfleets standard ship layout, meaning it's the only actual warship they EVER built.
The thought of splitting an active warp core is simply ludicrous. It makes much more sense to have two separate cores that are synchronized. After all, a warp reactor's gonna react in the middle, right? The reaction would be happening at the point of separation, give or take. Shutting down the core, reconfiguring into two, then firing them both back up take time. Spock managed a fast restart, but accidentally invented a means of time travel at the same time. Various intermix ratios were also used in the 24th century to restart warp cores quickly, though the Academy would have you believe the only ratio is 1:1. Long story short, it would be a miracle of engineering to split a warp core. It's impossible while in use without huge changes to warp core design. Not to mention the very questionable "shoot here to win" spots on the hull showing where the core is for both drive sections.
I live the Prometheus a lot so I am all for seeing it more. I love it because it's tactical, and not so much BIG GUNS as much as TACTICAL AND MORE GUNS which is slightly less aggressive and still within the Federation spirit, though obviously all those guns could WRECK many planet's in a short period of time. I like the idea of a limitation and in lieu of your idea, how about it CAN split into three, but protocol was put into action where it only split into two ships and reserves the three split for dire situations because of a revealed flaw in sustained power usage with the ship split into three, maybe slight fluctuations that interfere with the systems, but notably the shielding which is all kinds of obvious-bad. Great episode! I love the host narrator for these videos, he and the writing staff are all super funny!
'I feel like I just betrayed myself, somehow.' You did, Lieutenant. You did. Ten Hail Marys and twenty-four hours prostrate before the Altar of The Sisko. Further thoughts, you ask? Just this... There can be... ONLY ONE. Let it be... NX-74205.
I love the look and idea of the Prometheus….if you got rid of multivector assault mode. That is 100% going into a 6th grade classroom, asking the kids what the coolest idea of a ship was, and then ignoring all the adults who pointed out how inefficient, unnecessarily complicated and plain silly it is. My head canon has always been that for the production model common sense struck and the fully assembled Prometheus is just the ship, no more multi-vectoring and you have an incredibly capable and efficient design, maybe with a few docked drone wingmen if you really really wanted a throwback to mutli vector assault
damn Lieutenant Adam you even know Nadesico (5:30-5:37) great Anime......and a classic (oh it have many homage to Star Trek(Mars Utopia Colony) Star trek like model starship in Episode 12)........personally wanting see more Prometheus Class........
I think the 3 small ships concept was the same as the defiants, put as much power armor and weapons into as small a ship as possible, but by combining them into a bigger ship it could have amenities that serve a crew for a longer period of time. More space, maybe holodeck. And the ship could go further and longer than a defiant because the crew isnt cramped
With the whole ship equipped with holo emitters, you could probably shove all the furniture against the wall and turn your quarters into a holodeck. Just like playing with VR today.
So you have 1 ship trying to do what 3 ships do. In my experience when you try to have a weapon system do several things at once it does all of them badly. Why not have 1 main attack ship with 2 fighter type vessels that have 2 photon torpedoes each. You use the main ship to attack and weaken the vessel and then the 2 fighters launch their torpedoes from a distance from different attack vectors. If the main ship starts to go after a fighter then the main vessel can attack from the rear or side, concentrating the fire to take out the shields. If you lose a fighter the main ship is still intact. I don't see why the Federation doesn't send out 1 larger and 2 smaller vessels on dangerous missions (like 1 Galaxy class and 2 Defiant class ships) similar to the Dominion. It just makes more sense and the smaller vessels could train to coordinate attacks with the larger vessel.
USS Prometheus is my all time favorite Star Trek ship! And I have had lengthy plans to use it as the great price for the player characters in my ttrpg Star Trek Adventures campaign I imagine will never get launched (I run a lot of Call of Cthulhu instead!).
A theory on the lower registry I have is maybe it was a concept for project galaxy that was abandoned then they dusted it off and modified it for the new design
As far as warships go, I'll take a Lexington class dreadnought thanks. (Even if the pod pylons have no business being that close to the shuttlebay doors! 😅)
Someone was sleeping back in the Alternate Voltron days... Why have a ship that "falls apart" to be weaker ships... When the OLD answer was fusing ships to make stronger ships... And then they took it the next step of ALL create a Robot, but the Ships forming a BIGGER ship (say three Nebula class sized ships!) to gain higher weapons power, greater speed, etc...
Prometheus is a bit of an odd name for a long-range patrol vessel and its a bit small for being expected to operate far from support, although we didn't see or hear about the rest of the ship (maybe it has the newest and most real holodeck and a holographic communications array so you can not only communicate with friends and family but give them a hug and play games). This ship makes a lot of sense; many redundant systems, able to be operated by as little as a single person, super advanced automated systems that you would expect from that level of technology, a tactical capacity that makes sense in the universe (shields are directional so being able to fire on a target from many directions will create weaknesses). This is also my favorite Starfleet ship. It would be in my top 5 even without the ability for a single person to operate it .
Little known fun fact about the Prometheus class: because of all the warp cores and associated power conduits literally everywhere, there is only one head, (bathroom), for everyone to share. Cozy.
Well done! The narrator's conniption fits were as entertaining as the content itself. 😂 And yes, more OP Starfleet ships! It would be awesome/hilarious to see some "invincible" enemy like the Borg were, show up to cause trouble, and Starfleet send out its UberKiller-class warship in response. Which, let's face it, they only needed one of - and it basically punches a hole clean through the enemy warship, destroying it with the opening volley. 🤣
My favourite ship of all time and my main ship is STO. And because of the Multi-Vector Assault Mode I call it the USS Thunderbird. 😌🙌🏻 Because in my head canon, my captain would call each piece TB 1, TB 2 and TB 3 😂🙌🏻
I have written a Trek story about a Prometheus class ship being used in a more CBS crime drama detective and police role; where they patrol within Federation space solving crimes. Would love to see more of this beautiful ship on screen (though doubtful in Kurtzman trek, which IMO I'd a poorly written fanfic of Trek)
It was an interesting ship. Would have been nice to see a few more of the but not that in keeping with Starfleet's mission I guess so it probably wasn't as mass produced as other classes.
Anyone assigned command of a Prometheus class ship should have to be rank Commodore or higher, since a single Prometheus is basically a small fleet by itself.
Love this ship. Would like to see a n another series. And yes it’s over the top. But considering Starfleet have been making the same old ships for past 200yrs. It’s good to see an out there design.
I do love the design and concept of the ship but I think starfleet would quickly find out that it that it wasn’t that practical. The level of complexity alone would mean more chance of failure and you would need specialist staff to repair.
The Prometheus class is a literal bad-ass that is entitled to be OP as f**k, because when Starfleet is annoyed enough to build a warship, they don't screw around (For evidence I present the USS Sisko-Pimp-Hand and Enterprise E). It's also a design I really like, it fits the time period perfectly both from Starfleet needing stuff to actually win fights, but also how it does fit Starfleet designs; four nacelle ships are a regular thing and the evolution of the sleek, fast, efficient hull designs of Intrepid, Sovereign, Norway etc. I also think it does fit in with actual tactical operation methods that makes sense; in conjunction with the Defiant class, which was apparently supposed to operate in 'packs'. The idea of a Prometheus with three Defiant's for company where the Prometheus plays tank while the Defiant's swarm a target to death, or go Multi-Vector and now it's a 6-ship-swarm is kind of scary and probably murders anything it feels like.
The way I'd get a five piece ship is to give it the four nacelles that it has and another small pair in the middle, over and under. Have each outer nacelle split into a slimline pair for a total of ten. Then the four sections of ship that each nacelle was attached to can split off from the center. This would imply a rather bulky central section, and the shapes of the four break away ships would be probably be a little abstract.
It was my favorite ship (along with the Defiant refit) in Star Trek Online, but I kept getting killed by the Voth (damn dinosaurs...they should be in my gas tank) 😆. But in STO, there's no multi vector assault mode 😔 It reminds me a lot of the Vengeance that Khan helped create. It was created just for war, and also had ablative hull armor. But the Prometheus is smaller and more maneuverable and I believe has much more advanced weapons.
I think there is a console you can get with one of the C-store ships that gives it the Multi Vector Assault Mode. It's been awhile since I played, but I remember that.
Necroposting, but t5 prometheus has mvam console. T6 prometheus(hestia) console is...not as good (some weird plasma vent attack). And new t6 prometheus (hydra) has limited mvam+special attack console. Looks pretty when equipped both full mvam (t5) and hydra (new t6)
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My favorite class. In STO I named my prometheus class after my daughter dubbing her USS Aurora
Lovely. Aurora fits with the mythology name convention as well . ( Prometheus ect ) goddess of light i believe. ( or dawn )
A gorgeous name indeed! ^^
For some odd reasons i like this ship and its design, i too play STO and was very glad this ship was added with its multi vector assault mode, i soar the galaxy alot with Prometheus.
Same, while i got multiple chars and 1 klingon still flies that big cruiser they had given for free because he engineer so i figured stop sticking him in birds of prey,and among my feds i still got an engineer on a carrier, my main fed who is tactical has this beautiful one allthough in the cerberus config with the clawed looking nacelles, and some very fun special consoles slotted...
This is basically Starfleet going... "You know when Riker rescued Picard and did better than a fleet of ships by using the saucer and drive section..? Let's build something based on that scenario."
STO has a nice update of this in the form of their Hestia class in my eyes.
I do like how in a way this suggests just how OP the Akira can be when Starfleet need to handle 3 D'Deridex and the stolen Prometheus. They send two production model Defiants and a single Akira to take care of all 4/6 ships.
To be fair, they were sent to take out the Prometheus, and there just happened to be 3 D'Deridex warbirds with it. They were also likely just the three closest ships at the time, rather than being a specific assault team put together for this exact purpose.
Typical Starfleet engineers " we're going to make the toughest ship in the Federation with advanced ablative armour, then fit WINDOWS over the ENTIRE HULL "
Better yet....why windows on the middle part section's 'saucer' that is normally concealed/covered by the primary hull? Wtf? Makes as much sense as the floor windows we have been seeing lately...looking at you Titan.
@@02ujtb00626 I can only imagine such windows were added to cater to people who could see through walls??? 🤣
@@xedanis101 lol probably.
The windows had armour weaved into them to make them actually tougher than the hull itself using advanced science. The windows added to the beauty of the ship when it was one and in MVAM.
To be fair it’s probably transparent aluminum with layers of armor inbetween
Disregarding the multi-vector assault mode, the unified design is one of my favorite Star Trek Designs.
With MVA action, it starts to look far less cool, never mind the in universe shenanigans necessary to make it work.
However, I think the underlying concept might have some merit if we make the simple assumption that Starfleet warp cores and general power capacity are becoming ever more efficient/powerful. With this in mind, under most ship designs, your internal volume is going to increase faster than your surface area. Now there's the possibility that you can just continue to stick ever more powerful phaser strips on, but there may be some unknown limit on phaser emitter strength vs efficiency. This might make it more effective to increase you surface area via splitting your ship for combat, while keeping it combined might (and apparently does) give you better warp speeds and efficiency.
shielding
All they are missing is the USS Daedalus and can both link up to a larger Starfleet ship that transforms to a huge robot named STF-1. 😂
Or it can join the EDF in it’s fight against the Goa’uld or Ori.
Shipticons, Energize!
you mean SDF-1 ? The daedalus manuever!
@@your_bases_are_belong_to_us I meant Star Trek Fortress 1. STF-1
Just a joke based on the similarities of them Prometheus and Daedalus together on Stargate in 2002, when Robotech did it in 1984.
The saucer section should have its warp nacelles that extend from the sides and not the little ones that come out from the top and bottom and the main nacelles should extend and retract like an x wing fighter
Star trek should have light sabers and the force too, why not? Lt. Jar Jar
just cause I said that the nacelles should move like an x wing doesn’t mean it’s Star Wars. Embarrassing are you?
@@carlingas666 Variable flight geometry, like an Intrepid, yeah?
@@Ottophil Articulating nacelles are cannon.
See the Intrepid class.
@@floyd9572 yes
So the ship was supposed to be split into 5 parts; interesting. I wonder, did the person who came up with that idea happen to work on something voltronish or rangery by any chance?
All you fans of this ship design, should really give real credit to whom created that design including multi-vehicular mode used within the USC Liberty. Here's a hint, ROBO TREK the illustrated novel series, created in 1987. That said, Viacom/Paramount got the original works, when its creator attempted a collaboration in the late 1980's. Since then, many of ROBO TREK's ships designs, stories and even other aliens, have shown up in a great many Star Trek series, including Discovery. Nothing like picking apart someone else's artistic, literary works, and trying to claim those as their IP's.
I sort of like the 5 part idea, with the 4th and 5th parts being like Captain's yahts. That would result in 2 smaller ships to fight other smaller ships.
I thought I was the only one that felt that way.
This is clearly an “OP” star ship. 😁 loved this essay ❤️.
We will never see this ship again as this era of Star Trek is done
U say the but the actually 2 them in picard
awesome ship.. i want a series about it.. old tng/voy like trek.. atleast 8 seasons.. please :)
All you fans of this ship design, should really give real credit to whom created that design including multi-vehicular mode used within the USC Liberty. Here's a hint, ROBO TREK the illustrated novel series, created in 1987. That said, Viacom/Paramount got the original works, when its creator attempted a collaboration in the late 1980's. Since then, many of ROBO TREK's ships designs, stories and even other aliens, have shown up in a great many Star Trek series, including Discovery. Nothing like picking apart someone else's artistic, literary works, and trying to claim those as their IP's.
there was a brief star trek prometheus book series.
Lieutenant Adam you have kept me laughing at your jokes your jokes engaged in the commentary very well done sir well done sir very well done
Dude! The USS Prometheus, WASN'T 'launched', she was 'STOLEN'.
It was launched, then stolen.
7:13
"Captain, where's the bottom third of your ship?"
"Bottom third? I thought our ship had two nacelles as standard?"
I used to fly one of these on my Tactical officer in STO. I ran the Mirrorverse variant, which was known as the "ISS Shatter-Star". Mirror universe.. starship.. shattered glass. It just kinda worked.
Been considering getting it myself since I enjoy using the Jem'Hadar carrier with it's separable attack craft.
Great tac ship with only one man!! Solo Dreadnought cruiser Prado Blvd suite and how much data for anything urgent please 🙏✌️🥺🙏💕👽🖖🥂🍾
Yeahhh is what my tac main flies too
PERFECT explanation of registry numbers!
By this logic, NCC-2000 was actually pulled in the early 2270s, and launched in 2385. This explains how the Hathaway, NCC-2593, was launched at approximately the same time as the Excelsior, with a much more advanced number.
I don't normally watch this kind of thing, but the narration is fantastic.
Reminds me of my own ship design I made in Avorion. Entire fleet of 5 combined into one ship between an exploration ship for the nose, a mining and salvaging vessel serving as each Nacelle, a top mounted city/starport/academy module, the center warp tug and the optional warship on the bottom of the tug.
That way each ship interacted with one another during travel and could split into independent operations when the warp tug dropped them in.
Funny part is I came up with it trying to make a mobile shipyard, and the Prometheus class became the inspiration for the scouting nose.
imagine a war story series on a prometheus^^
I think it would be good in a section 31 show
“Is it like a giant Lego kit?” Brilliant
Love this channel. dude cracks me up.
The One that could split into 5 would've naturally been called the.......Voltron Class...*drumroll, takes a bow* ...(too easy couldn't resist :D )
I always wondered, if a Prometheus class lost the middle piece, would the ship be unable to combine?
Also, in a situation where the sections couldn't combine, would crew give each pieces a unique name?
Or would it just be Prometheus 1, 2 and 3?
Probably something mundane. When a Galaxy class splits they're simply referred to Saucer & Stardrive sections.
Tobe honest, I like the USS Prometheus, the fact it can split into 3 and keep working is amazing.
me too but with attribute to destroy deridex with the support of defiant.
Comes with standard exploding console panels.
Very cool looking ship. I've already likened Sovereign-class Enterprise-E to a McLaren Speedtail and modern Formula 1 and Le Mans Hypercar racers are so ground vehicle aero-optimized as to be goofy looking, so that Grumman X-29 experimental jet with the forward swept wings will do nicely for a visual metaphor. Good job Lieutenant Adam, you are hereby promoted to lieutenant commander.
I'm ready to see a federation capital ship that can dock like 10 of these babies
Maybe you only need nacelles to see each other to get the higher warp factors… after all, exhibit 1… The Phoenix. Zimmerman’s first warp capable ship had the nacelles either side of the missile body and definitely couldn’t see each other.
You love this guy’s style of narrative
I always figured there were just separate warp cores for each section, with the top and bottom ones perhaps remotely synchronised by computer systems to operate in tandem for 4-way operation in Voltron mode, and the head section's core just waiting on standby (or perhaps providing an extra boost to shipwide power generation without contributing to the warp system itself) until the three sections divided. The split-core-through-a-separating-hull-via-a-convoluted-setup-of-airlocks-and-semi-redundant-secondary-systems arrangement seems needlessly complicated and susceptible to too many potential points of failure to me - two separate, Defiant-style horizontal cores sounds a lot simpler.
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Also, since the head section basically looks like the Delta Flyer on a diet of anabolica-laced protein shakes anyway, why couldn't it have similar warp nacelles extend from the wings like Tom Paris' design rather than the piddly little training wheels on the top and bottom? Besides anything else, the Voyager VFX team would already have a basic template to create the CGI model from. Plus, it would have the added implication that Paris' idea had merit if it turned out that the Prometheus' designers had the same thought.
I mean, what's more likely - a case of parallel evolution, where the design team of the Prometheus were just as capable of coming up with such a system if the need presented itself, or that Tom "I'm gunna make me a hot rod!" Paris was such an engineering wunderkind that he was capable of single-handedly solving such a problem in a way that an entire team of Starfleet's greatest minds working on the Federation's most complex and advanced new ship couldn't come up with between them? With no formal Starfleet design or engineering training? Using only scavenged parts? _In the Delta Quadrant? _*_Without a fully-equipped shipyard or advanced testing facilities?_* Janeway picked him up from a New Zealand work camp, not the Daystom Institute!
It might even explain how Tommy Boy came up with the idea if he'd heard rumours of Starfleet prototypes of a similar shuttle-scale design on the grapevine _before_ coming to Voyager, and just had to figure out how to implement it when it came to building his boy-racer hot-hatch. Meanwhile, fleet designers might have had some success with small-scale implementations and have taken the several years that Voyager had been away to incorporate this innovation into the new, larger Prometheus spaceframe as a handy solution to the unusual form factor.
Or, y'know, maybe two flimsy lolly-sticks on pylons made out of straws with no line-of-sight to each other somehow managed to provide enough punch to create a stable field which would allow it to sustain a similar warp velocity to the two sets of whopping great nacelles deemed necessary on the other sections. But that does raise the question - if those teeny little engines are all that are needed for the head section to maintain those speeds, what are those other two hulls compensating for...? Maybe they're just insecure about always being the back legs of the pantomime horse...
Knowing Starfleet they probably went with the single core splitting into two separate cores, they definitely over designed the ship. Which led to weapons fire disabling nearly every system on the ship in a matter of minutes. At least the defiant could take a beating and keep fighting.
Two or three upgraded Defiant style core would have worked far better, working in tandem at 50% output for better fuel efficient and as a backup in case one got disabled or ejected during combat. The third small nacelle is supposed to be a warp sustainer not a full drive system which I think is as stupid as having no warp drive on a Galaxy class saucer.
It's not that complicated really - The top ship has a Large Matter feed and a smaller anti matter transverse feed lower ship has the reverse layout (whichever way around it is) and when the ship is linked the warp core is vertical on both parts and the horizontal feeds do nothing - in theory the vertical could turned off to allow maintenance - or the ship can run on just one half core with a slightly slower top speed.
So the ship is faster when combined - all ship can maintain the top speed they are going at when separated with warp sustainers though if the arrow head component slows down below it's own top speed it can not get up to it's previous speed again until recombined.
Naturally the ship is able to operate in pairs too - separating the lower section or the arrow head away if it has too.
You wouldn't want to be in the main arrow head though as it's a glass cannon & can't even run away properly from many ships as it's to slow on it's own.
Cute ship though - if a bit quirky
The cores have a magnetic field similar to warp field.All three sperate work but all three together are stronger. Just give the one in the middle the ability to switch polarities. =The separation/realign mode effency. Idk
How in the hell did Starfleet have so many powerful enemies and constantly come across as so weak. The Borg, the Dominion, the Klingons, the Romulus, the Breen, the Gorn, the Tholians said and more. I love the Defiant and the Prometheus. Hell, even DS9 could fight.
the breen, the gorn, and the tholias are not that strong
Wow!
This thing looks so sleek and fast!
I like that triangle saucer and four nacelles!
“Where did the Prometheus go?”
“It had to…”
(puts on sunglasses)
“…split.”
YEEAAAAAHHHHHHH!
Man the way you described how good this vessel is made me wanna go to Utopia Planetia and lease one myself! I want all the bells and wistles! This and the Defiant are my two favorite ships probably.
To make sense of this thing in my head I always thought that this was experiment that was a very limited production run because of how insanely expensive they were, like costing more than a sovereign-class. Maybe they only made a few of these things but also developed another version that lacked the multi vector assault mode and the quad nacelles but still had the heavy firepower, high speed, armor and maneuverability but had a more reasonable cost.
Yep. Thank you. I’ll buy one and take another of your delicious ‘head cannon’ for the road. Much obliged.
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Head canon is probably why we still have star trek and star wars.
I can't remember where I read it but someone had an interesting suggestion that 3 partially constructed warships of the new class were fused together to save money and time and someone had the wth temptation to keep all three warp cores and have the three different sections stay independent. Every mix up Transformer Combiner Teams? Yeah let's do that! Itll be cool! (Computer remove all caffeine from the design teams replicators)
"expensive" the federation didnt use money
@@rickacton7540 true, but resource cost and construction capacity constraints would still apply
I gave my Rom Republic Fed-Aligned Captain this for their Tier V ship because a) the irony and b) this ship is the sword of the Romulan Republic, bringing swift justice to her enemies and succor to her friends - and goddamn is it beastly and looks great!
Here's an odd question... if you had two Prometheus class vessels that went into multi-vectoral assault mode and were put back together but mixing its parts between the two ships, is that possible?
Certainly. I had two Galaxy class models and would always switch the saucers.
Congrats, The narrator could sit there reading the phone book and make it sound interesting and informative 👍
I too love this ship but if Starfleet existed I would prefer to be assigned to a small ship like the Sabre or nova classes
Serving on defiant or prometheus would cirtainly be better than galaxyclass or excelsior
Lt. Adam, are you changing your greeting to "Lords, Ladies, and Promethean's"?
U.S.S Prometheus could separate but Voyager could make coffee from Nebula. Advantage Voyager.
Prometheus and Akira are two of my favorite classes.
I would like to see a spacecraft carrier with Defiants like Gen Dolittle bombers taking off from an aircraft carrier in WWII.
A modified galaxy class would be a good carrier. You could probably fit 4 or 5 defiants in a galaxy saucer, emptied of most of its quarters, recreation facilities, and science labs. You could externally mount a few defiant class ships too.
But I don't see why Defiant class ships would need to be carried when they're warp capable with good range.
Star Fleet needs a peregrine fighter carrier. Or we need to see the peregrines being carried by a suitable ship, a galaxy class, nebular class or a sovereign class.
Thank you for this great breakdown. Honestly, this ship confuses the hell out of me due to its complexity. It seems like a lot to go wrong and I think it might be better to be automated, just in case this toy breaks down with its...effectivness?
After having this realization no one can convince me the Defiant class isn't the meanest ship in Starfleet. The Defiant is the ONLY ship to not follow Starfleets standard ship layout, meaning it's the only actual warship they EVER built.
The thought of splitting an active warp core is simply ludicrous. It makes much more sense to have two separate cores that are synchronized. After all, a warp reactor's gonna react in the middle, right? The reaction would be happening at the point of separation, give or take. Shutting down the core, reconfiguring into two, then firing them both back up take time. Spock managed a fast restart, but accidentally invented a means of time travel at the same time. Various intermix ratios were also used in the 24th century to restart warp cores quickly, though the Academy would have you believe the only ratio is 1:1.
Long story short, it would be a miracle of engineering to split a warp core. It's impossible while in use without huge changes to warp core design.
Not to mention the very questionable "shoot here to win" spots on the hull showing where the core is for both drive sections.
I live the Prometheus a lot so I am all for seeing it more. I love it because it's tactical, and not so much BIG GUNS as much as TACTICAL AND MORE GUNS which is slightly less aggressive and still within the Federation spirit, though obviously all those guns could WRECK many planet's in a short period of time.
I like the idea of a limitation and in lieu of your idea, how about it CAN split into three, but protocol was put into action where it only split into two ships and reserves the three split for dire situations because of a revealed flaw in sustained power usage with the ship split into three, maybe slight fluctuations that interfere with the systems, but notably the shielding which is all kinds of obvious-bad.
Great episode! I love the host narrator for these videos, he and the writing staff are all super funny!
'I feel like I just betrayed myself, somehow.'
You did, Lieutenant. You did. Ten Hail Marys and twenty-four hours prostrate before the Altar of The Sisko.
Further thoughts, you ask?
Just this...
There can be... ONLY ONE.
Let it be... NX-74205.
I love the look and idea of the Prometheus….if you got rid of multivector assault mode. That is 100% going into a 6th grade classroom, asking the kids what the coolest idea of a ship was, and then ignoring all the adults who pointed out how inefficient, unnecessarily complicated and plain silly it is.
My head canon has always been that for the production model common sense struck and the fully assembled Prometheus is just the ship, no more multi-vectoring and you have an incredibly capable and efficient design, maybe with a few docked drone wingmen if you really really wanted a throwback to mutli vector assault
As an aside, the bridge is more of a throwback design, one the likes of the original series and the first 6 movies.
i always considered the difference in rregistration number to be that the ship is actually three different vessels and each would have its own.
This is my first time hearing Adam… I f*****g love this guy. Can’t stop laughing
No one can make fun of Star Trek better than someone who loves Star Trek.
damn Lieutenant Adam you even know Nadesico (5:30-5:37) great Anime......and a classic (oh it have many homage to Star Trek(Mars Utopia Colony) Star trek like model starship in Episode 12)........personally wanting see more Prometheus Class........
this ship is cool and fast 😎 i like it too
Nadesico!!! So under appreciated.
I think the 3 small ships concept was the same as the defiants, put as much power armor and weapons into as small a ship as possible, but by combining them into a bigger ship it could have amenities that serve a crew for a longer period of time. More space, maybe holodeck. And the ship could go further and longer than a defiant because the crew isnt cramped
With the whole ship equipped with holo emitters, you could probably shove all the furniture against the wall and turn your quarters into a holodeck. Just like playing with VR today.
When I played STO this and the Vesta were my favorites.
I like how in STO they broke that battle down to the temporal agents bringing certain captains into the future to help.
So you have 1 ship trying to do what 3 ships do. In my experience when you try to have a weapon system do several things at once it does all of them badly. Why not have 1 main attack ship with 2 fighter type vessels that have 2 photon torpedoes each. You use the main ship to attack and weaken the vessel and then the 2 fighters launch their torpedoes from a distance from different attack vectors. If the main ship starts to go after a fighter then the main vessel can attack from the rear or side, concentrating the fire to take out the shields. If you lose a fighter the main ship is still intact. I don't see why the Federation doesn't send out 1 larger and 2 smaller vessels on dangerous missions (like 1 Galaxy class and 2 Defiant class ships) similar to the Dominion. It just makes more sense and the smaller vessels could train to coordinate attacks with the larger vessel.
Prometheus class is epic. Top favorite for sure. My only complaint is why isn’t MASSIVE like a dreadnought?
USS Prometheus is my all time favorite Star Trek ship! And I have had lengthy plans to use it as the great price for the player characters in my ttrpg Star Trek Adventures campaign I imagine will never get launched (I run a lot of Call of Cthulhu instead!).
A theory on the lower registry I have is maybe it was a concept for project galaxy that was abandoned then they dusted it off and modified it for the new design
Lt. Adam you have a great voice. You should do more voice over work and or I mean I hope your offered opportunities get more work.
As far as warships go, I'll take a Lexington class dreadnought thanks. (Even if the pod pylons have no business being that close to the shuttlebay doors! 😅)
Adam, I love it! ❤️
Someone was sleeping back in the Alternate Voltron days... Why have a ship that "falls apart" to be weaker ships... When the OLD answer was fusing ships to make stronger ships... And then they took it the next step of ALL create a Robot, but the Ships forming a BIGGER ship (say three Nebula class sized ships!) to gain higher weapons power, greater speed, etc...
This ship is probably the best in Starfleet and is essentially an Intrepid-class ship on steroids.
Prometheus is a bit of an odd name for a long-range patrol vessel and its a bit small for being expected to operate far from support, although we didn't see or hear about the rest of the ship (maybe it has the newest and most real holodeck and a holographic communications array so you can not only communicate with friends and family but give them a hug and play games). This ship makes a lot of sense; many redundant systems, able to be operated by as little as a single person, super advanced automated systems that you would expect from that level of technology, a tactical capacity that makes sense in the universe (shields are directional so being able to fire on a target from many directions will create weaknesses).
This is also my favorite Starfleet ship. It would be in my top 5 even without the ability for a single person to operate it
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I would like to see a series using this ship. With Captain Nog as the Captain.
This is great!
Little known fun fact about the Prometheus class: because of all the warp cores and associated power conduits literally everywhere, there is only one head, (bathroom), for everyone to share. Cozy.
Well done! The narrator's conniption fits were as entertaining as the content itself. 😂 And yes, more OP Starfleet ships! It would be awesome/hilarious to see some "invincible" enemy like the Borg were, show up to cause trouble, and Starfleet send out its UberKiller-class warship in response. Which, let's face it, they only needed one of - and it basically punches a hole clean through the enemy warship, destroying it with the opening volley. 🤣
Or, send in The Planet Killer
AKA The Doomsday Machine.
You mean the USS Invincible NCC 88777.
Yes would love to see more of the Prometheus in the future
My favourite ship of all time and my main ship is STO. And because of the Multi-Vector Assault Mode I call it the USS Thunderbird. 😌🙌🏻 Because in my head canon, my captain would call each piece TB 1, TB 2 and TB 3 😂🙌🏻
It's weird that the STO programmers decided that when you split it up, the player should continue to manually pilot the small front section.
They didn't. When you split up, you choose which section to pilot.
BEST STARSHIP EVER🙌🏾 💥
Can't wait to see the 25th century refit... WHICH TURNS INTO A GIANT ROBOT!!!
I have been faithfully waiting for a Prometheus toy that splits in three since the episode aired. I expect to continue waiting.
I have written a Trek story about a Prometheus class ship being used in a more CBS crime drama detective and police role; where they patrol within Federation space solving crimes. Would love to see more of this beautiful ship on screen (though doubtful in Kurtzman trek, which IMO I'd a poorly written fanfic of Trek)
Love it , the impulse engines favor late model mustang tail lights , it is a bad ass , I’d want it in my sci Fi battles
Wow, what a beautiful ship. I want to be in Starfleet. Beam me up, please! I can start as housekeeping as well.
It was an interesting ship. Would have been nice to see a few more of the but not that in keeping with Starfleet's mission I guess so it probably wasn't as mass produced as other classes.
Anyone assigned command of a Prometheus class ship should have to be rank Commodore or higher, since a single Prometheus is basically a small fleet by itself.
"Pretty enough? Good enough? Is it over the top?" Me: Yes.
Love this ship. Would like to see a n another series. And yes it’s over the top. But considering Starfleet have been making the same old ships for past 200yrs. It’s good to see an out there design.
I do love the design and concept of the ship but I think starfleet would quickly find out that it that it wasn’t that practical. The level of complexity alone would mean more chance of failure and you would need specialist staff to repair.
A new show. Star Trek: Prometheus
The sharpness of its saucer looks like it is meant for combat as it is more agro form than the round peaceful form of the enterprice or voyager
Prometheus should have it's own show.
USS Prometheus is one of my favorite ships.
I wish we would have seen it in the final battles of DS9
The Prometheus class is a literal bad-ass that is entitled to be OP as f**k, because when Starfleet is annoyed enough to build a warship, they don't screw around (For evidence I present the USS Sisko-Pimp-Hand and Enterprise E). It's also a design I really like, it fits the time period perfectly both from Starfleet needing stuff to actually win fights, but also how it does fit Starfleet designs; four nacelle ships are a regular thing and the evolution of the sleek, fast, efficient hull designs of Intrepid, Sovereign, Norway etc.
I also think it does fit in with actual tactical operation methods that makes sense; in conjunction with the Defiant class, which was apparently supposed to operate in 'packs'. The idea of a Prometheus with three Defiant's for company where the Prometheus plays tank while the Defiant's swarm a target to death, or go Multi-Vector and now it's a 6-ship-swarm is kind of scary and probably murders anything it feels like.
We need a nebula class video
The way I'd get a five piece ship is to give it the four nacelles that it has and another small pair in the middle, over and under. Have each outer nacelle split into a slimline pair for a total of ten. Then the four sections of ship that each nacelle was attached to can split off from the center. This would imply a rather bulky central section, and the shapes of the four break away ships would be probably be a little abstract.
So basically it's Star Trek's version of Voltron? (Technically -a reverse Voltron)🙂
It was my favorite ship (along with the Defiant refit) in Star Trek Online, but I kept getting killed by the Voth (damn dinosaurs...they should be in my gas tank) 😆. But in STO, there's no multi vector assault mode 😔
It reminds me a lot of the Vengeance that Khan helped create. It was created just for war, and also had ablative hull armor. But the Prometheus is smaller and more maneuverable and I believe has much more advanced weapons.
I think there is a console you can get with one of the C-store ships that gives it the Multi Vector Assault Mode. It's been awhile since I played, but I remember that.
@@danieltilson4053 IIRC the T6 version has the MVA mode console
Necroposting, but t5 prometheus has mvam console.
T6 prometheus(hestia) console is...not as good (some weird plasma vent attack).
And new t6 prometheus (hydra) has limited mvam+special attack console.
Looks pretty when equipped both full mvam (t5) and hydra (new t6)
X Wing Enterprise!!!
Brilliant. 👍🏽
This is truely the most anime of all star fleet vessels
There was a decent novel trilogy that dealt with the USS Prometheus after it went fully operational.
ONE OF MY FAVORITE SHIPS