This is the Federations tactical nuke. It was top secret, built in small numbers and designed to terrify. Its not very Federation but it is very human if that makes sense, a bit of the Terran coming out. "We're safe the Federation doesn't make warships... what the hell is that?" as a ship thats just come out of warp 9.9 splits into three pieces.
Indeed, I'd have loved a show with this (so a ship for tactical assignments and maybe aggressive negotiations!) ship as the place of the action, because that would be quite fun (and probably have less exploratory episodes, many of which weren't that great...hell, I like the Klingon Civil War episodes on TNG, the Dominion War in DS9 the most and episodes that put Voyager in conflicts, too!)...especially after (or during the late) Dominion War, where the Federation isn't a "Peace above all else! Here, take half our space for peace!"-Kind of naive ("Starfleet is not a military organization" - Picard...seriously Captain, sometimes you are quite retarded!) organisation, but a government that is good for its people and will step up to defend them and their principals, with force of arms if need be and even using dishonorable means (Section 31!)
i love how the defiant and the Prometheus classes are a direct result of starfleet being kind to the galaxy by being staunch pacifists. they spread their scientists out so much that they are still outpacing their neighbors in almost every aspect of technology and once you direct those minds to one goal suddenly the federation jumps decades into the future in just a couple months.
This is why you never piss off the kind, good person who's sitting around, minding their own business. When they snap, they *snap*. The Federation is the good guy, even if they're imperfect. Just let the scientists study their comets. *Or else.*
I always thought the Prometheus was an amazing sign of desperation. The reliable Defiant, Galaxy (war variant), Akira, Sovereign, and Steamrunner classes weren’t moving fast enough to quell the Dominion scourge, so they develop a super cruiser killer to try and win the war faster, only for it to be too logistically infeasible to actually employ anywhere but at home. Then again, I always wanted to see the Seige of Betazed where the Enterprise-E, a squadron of Defiants and Prometheuses, and the back line fleets go up against the Dominion alone.
Agree, although it's not out of character for Starfleet. Starfleet are scientists and explorers. They constantly innovate new designs that are packed with scanners and particle emitters and reconfigurable everything, and try and win by finding a weakness or inventing something new. Their crews are taught to try and out-science or out-engineer their enemies on the hoof rather than win with pure firepower or superior numbers. It's not surprising to see echoes of this strategy at bigger scales like trying to win a whole war. By comparison, the Klingons are warriors. They produce huge numbers of time tested but uninventive Birds of Prey expecting them to be destroyed quickly. So long as the crews die honourably that's fine with them. The Romulans are arrogant and believe they're superior to everyone else. They build small numbers of extremely large Warbirds that stand their ground in a firefight and win with superior power. The Dominion are conquerors who terrorise their subjects into submission. They build the same ships for hundreds of years that aren't particularly effective on their own but make you run away screaming when you realise there's 10 times more ships in their fleet than in yours. Each major power's ethos and culture is reflected in their starships.
I agree, this ship is a TOY that was thought up with little to no forsight into the minds of Starfleet engineering insight....and of course it appeared on what I consider was the lamest of the Star Trek TV series(Voyager)...."?multi vector assault mode?"...not to mention the STUPID emh program on this thing...I'd just cut my own wrist instead of having the bedside manner of that Andy Dick character....seriously, some so called writers really blew it with this joke of a ship.
See it this way. How many ships can they move from system defence to the front lines by bringing in Prometheus ships? Considering their firepower and speed you need fewer Prometheus-class ships than any other for the same job. Say three Prometheus replace one Sovereign, two a Galaxy and one for a Nebula (and ships with similar firepower). You still can send one Prometheus to deal with a nearby threat and still have some left to defend the system. With the speed of the Prometheus the detached ship can return quickly if needed. This does help a lot to to end a war sooner or leaves more ships for exploration and diplomacy in peace time.
@@firstname9954 I grew up watching Voyager. The main problem is simply that it doesn't deliver. It has fantastic characters, a neat premise, a great selection of actors, and a somewhat decent writing... but that "somewhat" decent writing is only episode by episode. There are a number of really bad episodes, including most importantly the ending, which was in my opinion a rather cheap way to end a show of such a concept. But aside from that, the story had more than a few major plot contrivances. There were a number of major story beats that were completely "chance". Also they swapped back and forth between "nebulas are space storms we can't notice until they're in front of us" and the more realistic depiction of nebulas. It's frustrating once you notice it. Last thing I can remember off the top of my head is that changes just didn't stick. Like, I know that it's supposed to be more of a day-time television show but holy cow, sometimes it takes them in-show weeks to fix a torn hull and sometimes the ship is nearly torn in half and they *canonically* fix it in under a week. Like, what? Overall, the show is - in my opinion - pretty damn good, though still a little boring. I'm at least glad that the ending doesn't completely invalidate the work of the crew over the prior, what, 172 episodes? Oh right and they literally change history for some episodes. Completely forgot about that one. Both writing-wise and in canon they break their own continuity on top of breaking the Temporal Accord on more than like 3 seperate occasions.
"Cerberus" is a pretty good name for a Prometheus. I used to play STO and I had a Mirrorverse Prometheus I named the "Shatterstar". Because mirrors and broken glass or something.
Years ago i started writing a short story with this class as the 'hero' ship. I never finished it tho. I called her USS Asimov (named after the scifi author).
I dislike the "multi vector assault mode." Get rid of the docking systems and redundancy needed for each individual ship, and it would make a great cruiser.
Yeah, it strikes me as kind of a pointless design concept. Just design a carrier and attack craft or build a squadron of smaller ships. Would be less resource intensive and probably more effective.
It is VERY automated so the crew wouldn't be needed as much. but yes a "cheapened down" version might be a practical mid-to-long range cruiser - but she's not got a lot of internal volume to spare for "stuff" and t's more an attack ship than a science or diplomatic one - it's designed to make things dead and do it fast.
@@timesthree5757 It can hit multiple shield facings on a single target at the same time. Given how many times we've seen the captain yell out to divert power to forward shields or whatever you now suddenly have a way to slice open the defenses of an otherwise tough target because it CAN'T divert power from anywhere.
I think the interesting thing about the Prometheus is that it's Starfleet handling logistics and shipbuilding in one package. Seems like they saw the need for the Defiant, and eventually its success, and thought, "Ok, we can create overpowered small ships. What if we made a standard-size ship, that's actually a battlegroup unto itself?" Thus was spawned the Prometheus class. Like the Defiant it's all firepower, but it's basically the Defiant up to eleven. Much like the Borg's tactical cube, the cube they send when they get serious about fighting, the Prometheus class is Starfleet's, "Ok, we're done f@#$ing around and letting people batter our shields down. Kid gloves off, brass knuckles on" starship. When the Prometheus class appears, Starfleet's done researching quasars and shuttling diplomats. It's ass-kickin' time.
@@bioswars8827 what does that textual diarrhea even have to do with MY want for a show based on this ship? You said a whole lot to say literally nothing
The episode where Prometheus debuted was set before the Dominion War and it was disappointing we never see it in DS9, even in the background or with some filler line. "The Prometheus managed to take out a Ketracel White depot!" or something like that.
I'm sorry, you are mistaken, it would have been well into the Dominion War when Promethius debuted. In the episode The Doctor asks "Are the Federation at war with the Romulans" and EMH2 answer "No, the Romulans have not got involved in our fight with the Dominion". The Stardate of Message in a Bottle is 51462, which puts it around the midway point of DS9 season 6 about 2 weeks before the DS9 episode "One Little Ship", the DS9 episode "A Call to Arms" when the Dominion war started was Stardate 50975.
The author and illustrator of ROBO TREK 1987 and BIOS WARS would indicate differently, as to whom designed that ship. Check out the cover art for the ROBO TREK novel, or the more recent BIOS WARS videos. Furthermore, much of the ROBO TREK art works and story, has been pulled apart and use in STNG, ST DS9, ST VOYAGER, and more recently ST DISCOVERY. After the original 10C Proposal was submitted to Paramount/Viacom in the late 1980's early 1990's. God willing, those truths will be forthcoming, when Jemco DEEP releases better and more truly unique Canadian content.
What I imagine to be on the dedication plaque for the USS Prometheus: "Demons run when a good man goes to war. Night will fall and drown the sun when a good man goes to war. Friendship dies and true love lies. Night will fall and the dark will rise when a good man goes to war."
I think the basic Idea behind the MVAM actually came from the Enterprise D. The Saucer Section had been designed as purely a giant STL lifeboat. Yet they made use of it as a tactical asset in "Best of Both Worlds 2". This was just taking the concept and making a dedicated ship out of it.
The author and illustrator of ROBO TREK 1987 and BIOS WARS would indicate differently, as to whom designed that ship. Check out the cover art for the ROBO TREK novel, or the more recent BIOS WARS videos. Furthermore, much of the ROBO TREK art works and story, has been pulled apart and use in STNG, ST DS9, ST VOYAGER, and more recently ST DISCOVERY. After the original 10C Proposal was submitted to Paramount/Viacom in the late 1980's early 1990's. God willing, those truths will be forthcoming, when Jemco DEEP releases better and more truly unique Canadian content.
The Prometheus really exemplifies one of Starfleet's greatest weaknesses, its willingness to field bleeding edge tech rather than work the bugs out before putting it into combat. It's a marvel more ships don't blow up at random or end up found drifting with mummified crews because everything failed all at once. It's also not very clever to field something that large which requires so many maintenance hours per hour of use despite the degree of automation. Granted it can be flown by a literal handful of officers but it still needs a very busy crew just to hold it together. Yes, the new video looks great. I mean, all your videos look great but no worries with the new gear and software.
Imagine a fleet of Prometheus class ships and all of them splitting…. And then when the battle is over and there are multiple sub ships that have been destroyed… Would they then make up new ships from the ship’s subsections? This could be why the NX part number doesn’t match the NCC part number… perhaps the test bed ships had parts that were from another ship?
The Prometheus class has always made me wish, they had some galaxy saucer separation combat in the dominion war. Maybe not in a full on battle with it, but a last stand.
They definitely should have included at least one or two star drive sections in the fleet scenes. Just to imply that the saucer section with civilian population had been left behind, or that the saucer had been repurposed as medical or support ship/station nearby.
@@adamlytle2615 that definitely would’ve been an improvement, but according to some background lore, many galaxy class ships during the dominion war were either evacuated of civilians or built to combat spec, without space for civilians.
@@0megasight yes I do recall hearing that they hastily built some galaxy class ships that had a lot of empty space inside. That seems... Inefficient to me. Evacuating civilian population and taking the whole ship with its large saucer mounted phaser array makes all kinds of sense though, for sure.
If I was a lobbyist for building the Prometheus I would point out how this vessel is a much more humanitarian design as it enables the ability to better ensure the capture of of an adversary as well as the Diplomatic opportunity from minimizing the extent in which damage would be needed in order to defend yourself. This of course comes through with a firm but precise application of the multivector response mode. It is also a symbolic statement of Versatility diversity Unity. Sure the separation of the vessels could be seeing simply as advanced Patrol operations, but it is reasonable to believe that many would appreciate that the advanced synthesis systems and scientific investigating capabilities of each of the segments proves that it's not a war machine but a vessel dedicated to learning. Serious desire to follow where curiosity takes us. None of a singular mindset but one that is open to possibilities.
I also thought that the bridge was too bright. It reminded me of the Enterprise-D and didn’t match the era. The Defiant And Intrepid bridge colors are more attractive and suited for it’s time. As for the halo emitters I would have would wanted an experimented with an EEH (Emergency Engineering Hologram) as well as any lesser roles such as a crewman class hologram. Which proved to be invaluable when the Voyager crew got taken on the “workforce episode,” and the doctor who was now the ECH (Emergency Command Hologram). Making repairs throughout the ship. Imagine if a ship has the ability to have half the crew complement, repairs would go through more smoothly.
Saw this in my notifications and was hoping that you were doing a video on the Prometheus class from Stargate SG-1, that being said you should totally do SG-1 videos
I know why people think the "Multi-vector Assualt Mode" is stupid, but Voyager showed why it still works. MvAM turns a 3 on 1 battle into 3 on 3, with a large, maneuverable ship, with strong shields becoming 3 smaller, and more maneuverable ship, with weaker shields.
The author and illustrator of ROBO TREK 1987 and BIOS WARS would indicate differently, as to whom designed that ship. Check out the cover art for the ROBO TREK novel, or the more recent BIOS WARS videos. Furthermore, much of the ROBO TREK art works and story, has been pulled apart and use in STNG, ST DS9, ST VOYAGER, and more recently ST DISCOVERY. After the original 10C Proposal was submitted to Paramount/Viacom in the late 1980's early 1990's. God willing, those truths will be forthcoming, when Jemco DEEP releases better and more truly unique Canadian content.
An interesting thought about holo projectors throughout the ship, they could potentially project any environment they wanted while working. Hooters theme anyone?
Also it could mean that if the ship is boarded (and so long as there is power) the ship could repel its borders by just manifesting any personal it needed ie Makos or security personal or damage control teams.
The author and illustrator of ROBO TREK 1987 and BIOS WARS would indicate differently, as to whom designed that ship. Check out the cover art for the ROBO TREK novel, or the more recent BIOS WARS videos. Furthermore, much of the ROBO TREK art works and story, has been pulled apart and use in STNG, ST DS9, ST VOYAGER, and more recently ST DISCOVERY. After the original 10C Proposal was submitted to Paramount/Viacom in the late 1980's early 1990's. God willing, those truths will be forthcoming, when Jemco DEEP releases better and more truly unique Canadian content.
I remember the first time we were introduced to the Prometheus Class was in the Star Trek Voyager Season 4 episode 'Message in a Bottle' and was seen again in the Season 7 episode 'Endgame Part 2' and I think we briefly saw it again in the Star Trek Enterprise season 3 episode 'Azati Prime' where Daniels brought Captain Archer into the future and we saw what looked like a Prometheus Class Starship outside the window.
I've always liked the concept of the Multi Vector Assault Mode even if its a niche. How many times have we had ships rotate power to shield facings where the damage is coming from? Now you have a counter to that by not having an undamaged side to draw power from and in fact those too now need additional power to bolster shields allowing you to blow through the now unreinforced shields. And of course there is only so much energy to feed weapon systems to target three targets now.
The author and illustrator of ROBO TREK 1987 and BIOS WARS would indicate differently, as to whom designed that ship. Check out the cover art for the ROBO TREK novel, or the more recent BIOS WARS videos. Furthermore, much of the ROBO TREK art works and story, has been pulled apart and use in STNG, ST DS9, ST VOYAGER, and more recently ST DISCOVERY. After the original 10C Proposal was submitted to Paramount/Viacom in the late 1980's early 1990's. God willing, those truths will be forthcoming, when Jemco DEEP releases better and more truly unique Canadian content.
This might be my favorite Starfleet ship but for the multi-vector assault mode. It is entirely impractical and unnecessarily complicated and could easily be duplicated by just carrying two onboard drones. MVA mode is like they took a room of twelve year old boys and asked them what would make a cool ship and that’s what they came up with. My head canon is Starfleet woke up and got rid of MVA for the actual production models, radically cutting the cost and increasing reliability, getting a far more practical ship as a result
MVAM is not a good idea. Compare two Prometheus designs: 1) Prometheus with MVAM 2) Prometheus without MVAM Prometheus with MVAM has to armor the exposed areas, has 1/3 of its power in each segment for both shields and weapons, and cannot reinforce one of the sections that takes more damage. Finally, if the upper engine section gets destroyed, the saucer section and lower engine section cannot reconnect. Prometheus without MVAM does not need to allocate armor to exposed areas, has its full power available to focus on a single target, and if part of the ship takes too much damage the power and shielding can be easily transferred from one section to another. The main use for a MVAM would be if the ship was designed to have a 'strategic section' and multiple 'tactical sections'. You have the Warp 9-capable main hull that is designed to support the full crew (medical, food, long-range sensors, long-term maintenance systems, 10-Forward, etc). The tactical sections would be designed to only last a week at most, and are not equipped for more than that. Essentially a carrier design, but with Defiant-style 'fighters' attached to the outside of the hull.
@@toddkes5890 I had similar thoughts, law of practicality, its like they were thinking of exposing more guns to fire. But my main thought was multiple complex mechanics can cause problems in the long run. Like the m16’s notorious reliablity issues in vietnam due to its more complex and compact parts compared to the ak-47. While the ak-47 had problems to, they were not as bad as the m16. Actually anything over-complex is doomed to have problems. So i think the mva mode probably got removed for that reason canonically. Its not even that useful if your using the promethius in star trek online as a torpedo boat.
@@jamesd5842 ironically 2 drones in addition to the three main sections was the original concept it was just too complicated for the FX budget to allow.
I honestly thought it would make more sense to have an intrepid or akira and 2 saber classes and just have them always together and use a coordinated attack program
Yes, 2 build a ship that can split into 3 parts would require so much extra duplication of key components that a huge amount of internal volume and systems would be dedicated to achieve that. Probably more effective to produce 3 defiant or sabers. Though I like the promotheus design just without MVAM. I always thought it was a gimmick.
Not a battleship, a battlecruiser: Fast, heavily armed, not overly large. Also, when Riker's fleet arrived, it should of been mostly this class. That would of rocked.
Newly-built indeed was the Prometheus ship in "Message In A Bottle" Star Trek Voyager episode at now Ibingay, Masbate, Philippines. That is, used immediately for an episode. Their strategy was to just have it destroyed in the process or encounters. Of course, the ship design (and new computer algorithms and systems too) must have been saved in the databases that time 1970s or maybe 1980s already, always uploaded to Starfleet satellites. But, were they? The Prometheus was able to escape Masbate, iirc? Where did it go? I dunno...
It would have been nice if the basic look of the Prometheus (with quad nacelles) had been the basis of the Inquiry Class instead of the generic Saucer, secondary hull and two nacelles. That would fit in with not only the more Militaristic (and scared and defensive) Starfleet of the time of Picard™, but would have fit in with the mission profile of the Inquiry Class - a high speed interceptor designed to get quickly to any problem for the Federation, and _deal with it._ ["the fastest and most powerful…"] Just mix the design language a bit with the Defiant, by having the quad nacelles be closer to the body or even integrated to the hull, and they would have something that looks like a armoured spike ready to pentrate. Oh and ditch the multivector assault mode, it's a solid ship that's basically a fast slugger and easier to produce as Starfleet has lost their biggest shipyard. And so Starfleet is concerned with protecting its boarders as it licks it's wounds. Now that would have been a dramatic ship that wouldn't have made the fanbase groan.
To make these fit the Federation refrain of "we don't make warships" these really ought to be relegated to system defense and rapid response. Each member world should get three, one dedicated to that specific system, one dedicated to rapid response, and the third being in a flex role, system or rapid. Doing so would give the Federation a powerful defense fleet of up to 300 ships while still keeping each member world defended. Further, it would make sense for a ship with such a high maximum warp to not be able to go too far, as that engine likely wouldn't be designed for long term use much like a race engine needing extensive maintenance after heavy use. Trek already has this as a precedent as the Romulan Warbird was capable of extreme speeds at the cost of burning out its engines. The class can get anywhere very rapidly, but at the risk of not being able to get back, thus keep them close to home for rapid response, then you can always get them back and replace burnt out parts.
The only thing didn't like about the Promithius class is the pop-up nacelle behind the bridge which simply screams "shoot me here!". It should have been placed between the two halves (upper/middle) of the primary hull and be only visible when separated into the multi-vector mode. This would be far safer and free that space behind the bridge for something else. The same can be said of the four warp nacelles. the struts should be level with each other, and nacelles should be laid against each other to lower the forward profile and present a uniform silhouette.
It appears to me bow had 12 smaller torpedo ports and four larger ones . The aft is unseen. The sovereign had ten . So 16 isn't completely unreasonable. Video sounds and look great.
I've seen some ST YTbers really diss this ship as being too OP to be legit. What I see here though seems like a totally reasonable design. Like 3 Defiants in one ship.
Keep in mind that when split apart, each bit would be a third of the possible power. Seems kinda silly to me. An Akira takes on a couple Romulan warbirds on its own in the same episode, lol.
I think my main like of the prometheus was just my general like of quad nacelles. Buuuut... I do think it has a big advantage in having redundant systems. Like one of the most common damages we see to starfleet ships is the warp systems going offline for some reason.
As much as I want to share the Federation's stance of not having warships, I doubt the rest of the universe would be so peaceful. The Prometheus is the perfect example of Theodore Roosevelt's idiom: "Speak softly, and carry a BIG stick".
Warship... Yes... Battleship... That's very optimistic. Battleships have staying power, the Prometheus doesn't. I see this class closer to a destroyer, or cruiser.
Thank you, as always, for these delightful videos, Rick! And I agree with you, the Cerberus would've been a vastly more fitting name. I have a few thoughts you might (or might not) find to be of potential interest, regarding this vessel. The Prometheus-class Starship's design was always a favorite of mine--the *design*, that is, not the *function*. I don't at all mind the ship being an aggressive combat vessel. In fact, I liked it quite a lot. However, I disliked the "try-hard" Multi-Vector Assault Mode rather strongly. I always felt that feature was just... Unnecessary, and borderline silly. I mean, it's only a matter of time until an opponent learned how to take control of the second and third sections not controlled directly by the crew, using the two secondary hull parts to destroy the primary hull part. This is not even taking into consideration the "how do you put it back together if the center part gets destroyed or its docking points get wrecked?" This issue only gets worse when you consider the possibility of individual parts having their warp nacelles or warp drives damaged beyond what can be repaired in the field, as that would lead to having to leave entire sections of the ship behind if you had to withdraw. Granted, this is better than an entire ship having to be abandoned, but I think I have ideas that help to alleviate this problem. Overall, I feel that it would be better off to have this vessel be a single ship that includes two complete warp drive systems (two of the larger warp cores working simultaneously) in the single vessel's assembly. This would allow it to take advantage of the quad nacelles to have a level of redundancy that other ships simply would not have (you could lose up to two nacelles and even lose an entire warp core, and still make it home without issue). In addition, you would have all of the firepower of those three pieces packed into a single ship. Arguably the most important thing would be shielding: if you included overlapping regenerative shielding systems (including all of the separate components for all three parts--or even just two of them--in a single ship), you'd have a vastly more durable vessel. PLUS, the separate ship-wide shield emitter systems could potentially operate at different frequencies simultaneously in addition to constantly rotating their frequency modulation (not claiming that I know for sure this would work, but it's a neat idea, you have to admit!), making it virtually impossible to adapt to and penetrate by matching shield modulation. You might get through one, but the other would still repel an attack. Sure, it would still be a resource-intensive vessel to build, but it would be less-so than the original three-part vessel--and, more importantly (in my opinion), it would be a ship design far less prone to potential weaknesses than the original design. And, of course, you could still keep the primary hull separation function for emergencies/evacuations, as the feature was originally meant to be, it just wouldn't be a warp-capable primary hull all on its own. This could arguably be considered a step backward, but since this wouldn't be a feature intended for combat use--at least most certainly not at warp speeds--it just makes sense to keep for emergencies. Personally, I kinda like the idea of this being an evolution of the original Prometheus, but that's just me. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this!
I always liked this ship. But one idea always comes to mind. If this ship is meant to split in to smaller ships to give a numerical advantage and can each can fully run as an independent ship. Why not just make a small fleet right of the bat and deploy them in groups.
Do you have a video covering just the battle of sector 001 or have any plans to make one? I know the scene itself isn’t long in the movie but I feel like there would have been a lot of lore behind something so significant
Did the Prometheus have additional bridges? It seems like a missed opportunity not to have a battle bridge in the lower section in case you simply needed to split the ship in two or have one section "stand guard" somewhere.
It's a cool ship for sure, just skip the whole multi vector assault mode though. If there is a situation where 3 ships are needed, just send 3 ships. How does the deck layout work? Do the sections all need a warp core? How does that tiny nacelle on top of the saucer section manage to keep up with the other two sections? What if the middle section is destroyed, will they still be able to get back to a starbase? Overall nice design, but skip the separating sections. The Akira class fits the bill of a battleship more since it's capable of holding a squadron of Peregrine class fighters.
There is another corresponding nacelle on the bottom of the saucer section that pairs. From the blueprints it looks to have 2 warp cores, but one of those splits in half vertically to serve two ships. Decks work the same, no reason it wouldn't as it's not like the End-D stardrive suddenly renumbered when split from the saucer. In regards to the middle section blowing up,they can get back to starbase...in fact its a better situation than the Galaxy and all the semi-canon saucer separations as all sections are warp capable.
The author and illustrator of ROBO TREK 1987 and BIOS WARS would indicate differently, as to whom designed that ship. Check out the cover art for the ROBO TREK novel, or the more recent BIOS WARS videos. Furthermore, much of the ROBO TREK art works and story, has been pulled apart and use in STNG, ST DS9, ST VOYAGER, and more recently ST DISCOVERY. After the original 10C Proposal was submitted to Paramount/Viacom in the late 1980's early 1990's. God willing, those truths will be forthcoming, when Jemco DEEP releases better and more truly unique Canadian content.
With holo-emitters on each deck, there's always the option to generate extra crew from holograms if needed. (And provided power/holo systems don't get knocked out! :D) Does pose an interesting question on what next-steps Starfleet should take in expanding automation. Voyager touched on holo rights and holo labour in it's final season, pity it wasn't explored more.
Personally I loved the two parter Voyager had where the Hirogen took Voyager and turned the ship into a giant Holo deck. Using WW2 era soldiers to retake the ship was brilliant and I really wish they had something like that built into the Prometheus after it got stolen. An emergency holo-commando unit ready to retake the ship.
Well, this ship is diplomacy incarnate, because it embodies the quote "Speak softly - but carry a big stick!" - this thing is the big stick and Federation diplomacy is usually soft (but with a hint of steel behind it, especially after the Dominion War!) spoken, they don't make outrageous demands (hell, they are willing to sign crappy peace treaties with people they could defeat, from the Treaty of Algeron (banning cloaking-devices in the Federation - well, at least for Starfleet, I doubt they prohibit a privately owned ship from having one if the owner can afford it!) with the Romulans, to the Treaty with the Cardassian Empire, which gave Cardassia Federation worlds (something that shouldn't ever have been acceptable, much less on the table (should have refused!), it wasn't like the Federation was losing, they are just too comfy and lack the will to fight unless it's the all or nothing kind of deal the Dominion offered - with the Cardassian being the Federation's jailor, something nobody wanted!))
The author and illustrator of ROBO TREK 1987 and BIOS WARS would indicate differently, as to whom designed that ship. Check out the cover art for the ROBO TREK novel, or the more recent BIOS WARS videos. Furthermore, much of the ROBO TREK art works and story, has been pulled apart and use in STNG, ST DS9, ST VOYAGER, and more recently ST DISCOVERY. After the original 10C Proposal was submitted to Paramount/Viacom in the late 1980's early 1990's. God willing, those truths will be forthcoming, when Jemco DEEP releases better and more truly unique Canadian content.
Greetings there is Defiant Varient USS INCURSION NX-74808 from Star Trej Awaytean I dont know if you heared of her she kick ass ship. But I wish the Enterprise-E was Prometheus class starship.
What i love about the Prometheus class is that it is, as Rick puts it, a long sword. See we forget that the Constitution was a pretty rugged ship and probably designed to be a heavy fighter during the Klingon federation war. Subsequently every design that bore the name enterprise was the most advanced and well equipped ship of her era. Powerful shields, powerful hulls powerful weapons. However they where never dedicated combat vessels they could just hold their own in a pinch with the idea being that space is dangerous. We also see that this policy has worked out. They had conflicts with the klingons, romulans, cardasians even recently by the time TNG was coming around and this policy of just making good equipment held up as they tended to come out on top or at least exhaust their enemy into a stand-still. The Prometheus is like the Defiant, what happens when you force a nation that doesn't want war, to make war-focused vessels. The defiant is small, durable, and focused. Able to dish out fire power that can as we've seen in the mirror universe, damage some of the biggest most durable ships out there. The prometheus is the weapon used to clear out entire regions. It's likely that a fully equipped federation fleet would have somewhere between a dozen and a hundred of these ships, one stationed at every major star base with no permanent crew but a permanent security detail. A number of trained security who's job it is to just keep the ship safe and probably a good number of people assigned as repair crew but the actual command crew would be just who happened to be avaliable from the starbase when a crisis came up being beamed over and quickly taking off with the Prometheus, find the threat, and deal with it.
This was excellent timing for this episode, given that I just re-watched the episode of Voyager about Prometheus lol. Thank you for this video! Stay well out there everybody, and God bless you, friends. ✝️ :)
2:14 “advanced sensor system”, even though it didn’t detect the alien communications network it was close enough to receive a holographic data stream from…
Yeah I'd say it came out really well, this video looked and sounded great! The Prometheus is a great ship, and it's good to see a video on it - Nicely Done!!
Shields can adapt to a specific section getting hit the most. So I thought the multivector attack mode was just that about having multiple vectors the target Shield systems would have to account for. Otherwise you could just add more phaser strips and divert power to those separate phaser strips for a frontal targeted assault. Less Mass also theoretically means more maneuverability. This is why the Venture class is the most underrated ship in Star Trek. By the way the Venture class has two micro torpedo launchers on both the part and starboard side with no forward torpedo launcher. Look at the design and be honest. The Akira class and the Venture class have the right idea on side torpedo launchers. You need to have transversal velocity in order to avoid getting hit. If you're 24 decks High it doesn't matter how sleep the profile looks you're still 24 fucking decks High so ships like the Norway class look great but the board is going to shoot down every Cruiser no matter what silhouette it has. So I just think fans have a major misconception also shooting at Target over 100,000 miles away he's very realistic. In space it's easier to get things much higher velocities and your ability to play on the limits of physics to defend yourself makes it worth getting out to those distances.
Hi I recommend everyone who wants to know more about how the Prometheus was used go find the 3 book series Star Trek Prometheus because it show it did not stay idea in space dock
The author and illustrator of ROBO TREK 1987 and BIOS WARS would indicate differently, as to whom designed that ship. Check out the cover art for the ROBO TREK novel, or the more recent BIOS WARS videos. Furthermore, much of the ROBO TREK art works and story, has been pulled apart and use in STNG, ST DS9, ST VOYAGER, and more recently ST DISCOVERY. After the original 10C Proposal was submitted to Paramount/Viacom in the late 1980's early 1990's. God willing, those truths will be forthcoming, when Jemco DEEP releases better and more truly unique Canadian content.
The author and illustrator of ROBO TREK 1987 and BIOS WARS would indicate differently, as to whom designed that ship. Check out the cover art for the ROBO TREK novel, or the more recent BIOS WARS videos. Furthermore, much of the ROBO TREK art works and story, has been pulled apart and use in STNG, ST DS9, ST VOYAGER, and more recently ST DISCOVERY. After the original 10C Proposal was submitted to Paramount/Viacom in the late 1980's early 1990's. God willing, those truths will be forthcoming, when Jemco DEEP releases better and more truly unique Canadian content.
What I would like to know is whether or not the separation capabilities of the USS Prometheus could be used for more than just the multi-vector assault mode, such as the individual sections functioning as emergency escape vehicles (similar to the intended purpose for separating the saucer section of the USS Enterprise-D) in the event that one of the sections of the Prometheus suffers an unstoppable warp core breach, and the affected warp core cannot be ejected in order to save the whole ship.
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This is the Federations tactical nuke. It was top secret, built in small numbers and designed to terrify. Its not very Federation but it is very human if that makes sense, a bit of the Terran coming out. "We're safe the Federation doesn't make warships... what the hell is that?" as a ship thats just come out of warp 9.9 splits into three pieces.
honestly I wish this ship got more screentime. I think its such a cool design and a unique take on the usual federation ships
"Star Trek: Prometheus"
Yeah im surprised they didnt capitalize on it more.
I was never a big fan of four-nacelle ships but I loved the idea of the Prometheus. Would have been cool to see more of it.
It's a 12-year-old's idea of a cool Starfleet ship.
Indeed, I'd have loved a show with this (so a ship for tactical assignments and maybe aggressive negotiations!) ship as the place of the action, because that would be quite fun (and probably have less exploratory episodes, many of which weren't that great...hell, I like the Klingon Civil War episodes on TNG, the Dominion War in DS9 the most and episodes that put Voyager in conflicts, too!)...especially after (or during the late) Dominion War, where the Federation isn't a "Peace above all else! Here, take half our space for peace!"-Kind of naive ("Starfleet is not a military organization" - Picard...seriously Captain, sometimes you are quite retarded!) organisation, but a government that is good for its people and will step up to defend them and their principals, with force of arms if need be and even using dishonorable means (Section 31!)
i love how the defiant and the Prometheus classes are a direct result of starfleet being kind to the galaxy by being staunch pacifists. they spread their scientists out so much that they are still outpacing their neighbors in almost every aspect of technology and once you direct those minds to one goal suddenly the federation jumps decades into the future in just a couple months.
This is why you never piss off the kind, good person who's sitting around, minding their own business. When they snap, they *snap*.
The Federation is the good guy, even if they're imperfect. Just let the scientists study their comets. *Or else.*
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Bingo.
As the Andorias say, don't push the pink skins to the thin ice.
@@dougsmith6262 Wakanda would disagree about pink skin😁
Don't push the coloured skin to the hin ice😂
@@djprojectus ...pissing humans off is bad, mmkay?
Also known as the " the federation definitely doesn't make warships" class
Technically a warship is made for war. This ship was made to fight a very specific enemy. ( i do agree with you)
It's not a warship if you add advance sensors for science stuff. - Starfleet logic.
@@juscallmeehx actually, advanced sensors can easily be used for military purposes. Targeting, for example.
@@vic5015 I know, that's the joke.
PS: "Unless we have to"
I always thought the Prometheus was an amazing sign of desperation. The reliable Defiant, Galaxy (war variant), Akira, Sovereign, and Steamrunner classes weren’t moving fast enough to quell the Dominion scourge, so they develop a super cruiser killer to try and win the war faster, only for it to be too logistically infeasible to actually employ anywhere but at home.
Then again, I always wanted to see the Seige of Betazed where the Enterprise-E, a squadron of Defiants and Prometheuses, and the back line fleets go up against the Dominion alone.
Agree, although it's not out of character for Starfleet.
Starfleet are scientists and explorers. They constantly innovate new designs that are packed with scanners and particle emitters and reconfigurable everything, and try and win by finding a weakness or inventing something new. Their crews are taught to try and out-science or out-engineer their enemies on the hoof rather than win with pure firepower or superior numbers. It's not surprising to see echoes of this strategy at bigger scales like trying to win a whole war.
By comparison, the Klingons are warriors. They produce huge numbers of time tested but uninventive Birds of Prey expecting them to be destroyed quickly. So long as the crews die honourably that's fine with them. The Romulans are arrogant and believe they're superior to everyone else. They build small numbers of extremely large Warbirds that stand their ground in a firefight and win with superior power. The Dominion are conquerors who terrorise their subjects into submission. They build the same ships for hundreds of years that aren't particularly effective on their own but make you run away screaming when you realise there's 10 times more ships in their fleet than in yours.
Each major power's ethos and culture is reflected in their starships.
I just want to see a full wing of Defiant class ships operate in unison. It would be bloody terrifying
I want to hear what was this forbidden power that the Betazoids used to get rid of the Dominion.
I agree, this ship is a TOY that was thought up with little to no forsight into the minds of Starfleet engineering insight....and of course it appeared on what I consider was the lamest of the Star Trek TV series(Voyager)...."?multi vector assault mode?"...not to mention the STUPID emh program on this thing...I'd just cut my own wrist instead of having the bedside manner of that Andy Dick character....seriously, some so called writers really blew it with this joke of a ship.
See it this way. How many ships can they move from system defence to the front lines by bringing in Prometheus ships? Considering their firepower and speed you need fewer Prometheus-class ships than any other for the same job. Say three Prometheus replace one Sovereign, two a Galaxy and one for a Nebula (and ships with similar firepower). You still can send one Prometheus to deal with a nearby threat and still have some left to defend the system. With the speed of the Prometheus the detached ship can return quickly if needed.
This does help a lot to to end a war sooner or leaves more ships for exploration and diplomacy in peace time.
The real reason, why this ship is cool is that the episode itself is a masterpiece of fun entertainment and the ship is just the cherry on top 😁
It was one of the better episodes of a generally disappointing and mediocre series.
@@21mushroomcupcakes33 Would you stop breathing down my neck!
Andy Dick being the EMH Mk2 was funny as well.
@@firstname9954 I grew up watching Voyager. The main problem is simply that it doesn't deliver. It has fantastic characters, a neat premise, a great selection of actors, and a somewhat decent writing... but that "somewhat" decent writing is only episode by episode. There are a number of really bad episodes, including most importantly the ending, which was in my opinion a rather cheap way to end a show of such a concept. But aside from that, the story had more than a few major plot contrivances. There were a number of major story beats that were completely "chance". Also they swapped back and forth between "nebulas are space storms we can't notice until they're in front of us" and the more realistic depiction of nebulas. It's frustrating once you notice it. Last thing I can remember off the top of my head is that changes just didn't stick. Like, I know that it's supposed to be more of a day-time television show but holy cow, sometimes it takes them in-show weeks to fix a torn hull and sometimes the ship is nearly torn in half and they *canonically* fix it in under a week. Like, what?
Overall, the show is - in my opinion - pretty damn good, though still a little boring. I'm at least glad that the ending doesn't completely invalidate the work of the crew over the prior, what, 172 episodes?
Oh right and they literally change history for some episodes. Completely forgot about that one. Both writing-wise and in canon they break their own continuity on top of breaking the Temporal Accord on more than like 3 seperate occasions.
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"Cerberus" is a pretty good name for a Prometheus. I used to play STO and I had a Mirrorverse Prometheus I named the "Shatterstar". Because mirrors and broken glass or something.
one of the Variant Hulls is named it.
I normally name my mirror ships after Imperial Star Destroyers.
the USS Hydra
@@jasonmarkus3834 Aye, that's a good one as well.
Years ago i started writing a short story with this class as the 'hero' ship. I never finished it tho. I called her USS Asimov (named after the scifi author).
I dislike the "multi vector assault mode." Get rid of the docking systems and redundancy needed for each individual ship, and it would make a great cruiser.
Yeah, it strikes me as kind of a pointless design concept. Just design a carrier and attack craft or build a squadron of smaller ships. Would be less resource intensive and probably more effective.
It is VERY automated so the crew wouldn't be needed as much. but yes a "cheapened down" version might be a practical mid-to-long range cruiser - but she's not got a lot of internal volume to spare for "stuff" and t's more an attack ship than a science or diplomatic one - it's designed to make things dead and do it fast.
It actually makes sense to me.
@@timesthree5757 It can hit multiple shield facings on a single target at the same time. Given how many times we've seen the captain yell out to divert power to forward shields or whatever you now suddenly have a way to slice open the defenses of an otherwise tough target because it CAN'T divert power from anywhere.
@@rubaiyat300 how?
I think the interesting thing about the Prometheus is that it's Starfleet handling logistics and shipbuilding in one package. Seems like they saw the need for the Defiant, and eventually its success, and thought, "Ok, we can create overpowered small ships. What if we made a standard-size ship, that's actually a battlegroup unto itself?" Thus was spawned the Prometheus class. Like the Defiant it's all firepower, but it's basically the Defiant up to eleven.
Much like the Borg's tactical cube, the cube they send when they get serious about fighting, the Prometheus class is Starfleet's, "Ok, we're done f@#$ing around and letting people batter our shields down. Kid gloves off, brass knuckles on" starship. When the Prometheus class appears, Starfleet's done researching quasars and shuttling diplomats. It's ass-kickin' time.
to me it was a very good vid, I do miss your story series but understand why, keep up the great work certifiably ingame
Don't worry, it will be continuing with the newest updates that came out a while ago soon!
I absolutely love this ship and it's design and concept. I would kill to have a show based on her and her crew
@@bioswars8827 what does that textual diarrhea even have to do with MY want for a show based on this ship? You said a whole lot to say literally nothing
@@__The_Real_V__ he's trying to scam people into watching his crap
That's a show that requires Andy Dick.
The episode where Prometheus debuted was set before the Dominion War and it was disappointing we never see it in DS9, even in the background or with some filler line. "The Prometheus managed to take out a Ketracel White depot!" or something like that.
I'm sorry, you are mistaken, it would have been well into the Dominion War when Promethius debuted.
In the episode The Doctor asks "Are the Federation at war with the Romulans" and EMH2 answer "No, the Romulans have not got involved in our fight with the Dominion".
The Stardate of Message in a Bottle is 51462, which puts it around the midway point of DS9 season 6 about 2 weeks before the DS9 episode "One Little Ship", the DS9 episode "A Call to Arms" when the Dominion war started was Stardate 50975.
Glad to see you covered my favourite Trek ship. Glory to the Bluetooth Fleet!
The author and illustrator of ROBO TREK 1987 and BIOS WARS would indicate differently, as to whom designed that ship. Check out the cover art for the ROBO TREK novel, or the more recent BIOS WARS videos. Furthermore, much of the ROBO TREK art works and story, has been pulled apart and use in STNG, ST DS9, ST VOYAGER, and more recently ST DISCOVERY. After the original 10C Proposal was submitted to Paramount/Viacom in the late 1980's early 1990's. God willing, those truths will be forthcoming, when Jemco DEEP releases better and more truly unique Canadian content.
never thought about it looking like a Power Rangers thing. Which, considering me, makes it instantly 400% cooler for me.
Audio is as good as ever, in game captured visuals look smoother and crisper.
What I imagine to be on the dedication plaque for the USS Prometheus:
"Demons run when a good man goes to war. Night will fall and drown the sun when a good man goes to war. Friendship dies and true love lies. Night will fall and the dark will rise when a good man goes to war."
Excellent, so the key point is don't go to war in any condition, go to explore space and building the exoplanets wonderful.
@@linz8291 more if you go to war, make your enemies regret pushing you to it, as a warning to others.
I think the basic Idea behind the MVAM actually came from the Enterprise D.
The Saucer Section had been designed as purely a giant STL lifeboat. Yet they made use of it as a tactical asset in "Best of Both Worlds 2".
This was just taking the concept and making a dedicated ship out of it.
The author and illustrator of ROBO TREK 1987 and BIOS WARS would indicate differently, as to whom designed that ship. Check out the cover art for the ROBO TREK novel, or the more recent BIOS WARS videos. Furthermore, much of the ROBO TREK art works and story, has been pulled apart and use in STNG, ST DS9, ST VOYAGER, and more recently ST DISCOVERY. After the original 10C Proposal was submitted to Paramount/Viacom in the late 1980's early 1990's. God willing, those truths will be forthcoming, when Jemco DEEP releases better and more truly unique Canadian content.
@@bioswars8827 What?
The ship looks awesome. If the Defiant has a fighting profile akin to a Sumner-class destroyer, then the Prometheus is akin to a Zumwalt!
They definitely have the "sitting in dock, not being used" bit down to a fine art.
The Prometheus really exemplifies one of Starfleet's greatest weaknesses, its willingness to field bleeding edge tech rather than work the bugs out before putting it into combat. It's a marvel more ships don't blow up at random or end up found drifting with mummified crews because everything failed all at once.
It's also not very clever to field something that large which requires so many maintenance hours per hour of use despite the degree of automation. Granted it can be flown by a literal handful of officers but it still needs a very busy crew just to hold it together.
Yes, the new video looks great. I mean, all your videos look great but no worries with the new gear and software.
Imagine a fleet of Prometheus class ships and all of them splitting…. And then when the battle is over and there are multiple sub ships that have been destroyed… Would they then make up new ships from the ship’s subsections? This could be why the NX part number doesn’t match the NCC part number… perhaps the test bed ships had parts that were from another ship?
nah jsut a VX error
So the Victory Gundam battle conundrum.
they just stack together and form one giant ship (and are taped together with duct tape)
The Prometheus class has always made me wish, they had some galaxy saucer separation combat in the dominion war. Maybe not in a full on battle with it, but a last stand.
They definitely should have included at least one or two star drive sections in the fleet scenes. Just to imply that the saucer section with civilian population had been left behind, or that the saucer had been repurposed as medical or support ship/station nearby.
@@adamlytle2615 that definitely would’ve been an improvement, but according to some background lore, many galaxy class ships during the dominion war were either evacuated of civilians or built to combat spec, without space for civilians.
@@0megasight yes I do recall hearing that they hastily built some galaxy class ships that had a lot of empty space inside. That seems... Inefficient to me. Evacuating civilian population and taking the whole ship with its large saucer mounted phaser array makes all kinds of sense though, for sure.
@@adamlytle2615 oh definitely
Based on its abilities described, I think a good label for the Prometheus class might be interceptor.
I actually thought the mic sounded a bit better even before you mentioned new software, so I’d say it’s working well!
I have the prometheus novels. I wasn't crazy about the design but, it's starting to grow on me.
“What happened to the Prometheus?”
“It had to…”
(puts on sunglasses)
“…split.”
YEEEEAAAAHHHHH!
If I was a lobbyist for building the Prometheus I would point out how this vessel is a much more humanitarian design as it enables the ability to better ensure the capture of of an adversary as well as the Diplomatic opportunity from minimizing the extent in which damage would be needed in order to defend yourself. This of course comes through with a firm but precise application of the multivector response mode.
It is also a symbolic statement of Versatility diversity Unity. Sure the separation of the vessels could be seeing simply as advanced Patrol operations, but it is reasonable to believe that many would appreciate that the advanced synthesis systems and scientific investigating capabilities of each of the segments proves that it's not a war machine but a vessel dedicated to learning. Serious desire to follow where curiosity takes us. None of a singular mindset but one that is open to possibilities.
My favourite ship design of the lot.
I also thought that the bridge was too bright. It reminded me of the Enterprise-D and didn’t match the era. The Defiant And Intrepid bridge colors are more attractive and suited for it’s time.
As for the halo emitters I would have would wanted an experimented with an EEH (Emergency Engineering Hologram) as well as any lesser roles such as a crewman class hologram. Which proved to be invaluable when the Voyager crew got taken on the “workforce episode,” and the doctor who was now the ECH (Emergency Command Hologram). Making repairs throughout the ship. Imagine if a ship has the ability to have half the crew complement, repairs would go through more smoothly.
Prometheus had a good concept, shame we didn't see more of it.
Saw this in my notifications and was hoping that you were doing a video on the Prometheus class from Stargate SG-1, that being said you should totally do SG-1 videos
that's a fun idea!
Woo hoo! I got to hit the Like button FIRST!! 😁
The hull # 59650 is the zip code it was constructed in. 😜
the coolest thing that come out of voyager
I'd say with the Romulan's no longer an issue all Prometheus Class vessels should be retro-fitted with cloaking devices.
YES!
MY FAVORITE SHIP
I know why people think the "Multi-vector Assualt Mode" is stupid, but Voyager showed why it still works.
MvAM turns a 3 on 1 battle into 3 on 3, with a large, maneuverable ship, with strong shields becoming 3 smaller, and more maneuverable ship, with weaker shields.
The author and illustrator of ROBO TREK 1987 and BIOS WARS would indicate differently, as to whom designed that ship. Check out the cover art for the ROBO TREK novel, or the more recent BIOS WARS videos. Furthermore, much of the ROBO TREK art works and story, has been pulled apart and use in STNG, ST DS9, ST VOYAGER, and more recently ST DISCOVERY. After the original 10C Proposal was submitted to Paramount/Viacom in the late 1980's early 1990's. God willing, those truths will be forthcoming, when Jemco DEEP releases better and more truly unique Canadian content.
An interesting thought about holo projectors throughout the ship, they could potentially project any environment they wanted while working. Hooters theme anyone?
Also it could mean that if the ship is boarded (and so long as there is power) the ship could repel its borders by just manifesting any personal it needed ie Makos or security personal or damage control teams.
@@Colin_ Or just fill the section with holographic molten rock...
Still my favourite ship, sleek and gorgeous design and uncompromising in its aggression
The author and illustrator of ROBO TREK 1987 and BIOS WARS would indicate differently, as to whom designed that ship. Check out the cover art for the ROBO TREK novel, or the more recent BIOS WARS videos. Furthermore, much of the ROBO TREK art works and story, has been pulled apart and use in STNG, ST DS9, ST VOYAGER, and more recently ST DISCOVERY. After the original 10C Proposal was submitted to Paramount/Viacom in the late 1980's early 1990's. God willing, those truths will be forthcoming, when Jemco DEEP releases better and more truly unique Canadian content.
I always enjoy that you use footage from Star Trek Online, the quality is very good.
Just in case someone wanna know, the ship appeard in Star Trek Voyager 4x14 - Message in a Bottle
In my head the multi vector assault mode was tested with a modified galaxy class with a defiant class mounted on the underside of the saucer.
I remember the first time we were introduced to the Prometheus Class was in the Star Trek Voyager Season 4 episode 'Message in a Bottle' and was seen again in the Season 7 episode 'Endgame Part 2' and I think we briefly saw it again in the Star Trek Enterprise season 3 episode 'Azati Prime' where Daniels brought Captain Archer into the future and we saw what looked like a Prometheus Class Starship outside the window.
Re : Technical question.
I had to turn my sound up full the sound level was a bit low.
One of my favorites.
From the BEST Voyager episode and possibly the funniest episode in all of Trek.
I think the Excelsior Class and the Excelsior II Class is like the 747 and 747-8 of The Federation Of Planets.
Not sure if it's hindsight, but it may look better lol. Anyway..great video as always!
I've always liked the concept of the Multi Vector Assault Mode even if its a niche. How many times have we had ships rotate power to shield facings where the damage is coming from? Now you have a counter to that by not having an undamaged side to draw power from and in fact those too now need additional power to bolster shields allowing you to blow through the now unreinforced shields. And of course there is only so much energy to feed weapon systems to target three targets now.
The author and illustrator of ROBO TREK 1987 and BIOS WARS would indicate differently, as to whom designed that ship. Check out the cover art for the ROBO TREK novel, or the more recent BIOS WARS videos. Furthermore, much of the ROBO TREK art works and story, has been pulled apart and use in STNG, ST DS9, ST VOYAGER, and more recently ST DISCOVERY. After the original 10C Proposal was submitted to Paramount/Viacom in the late 1980's early 1990's. God willing, those truths will be forthcoming, when Jemco DEEP releases better and more truly unique Canadian content.
This might be my favorite Starfleet ship but for the multi-vector assault mode. It is entirely impractical and unnecessarily complicated and could easily be duplicated by just carrying two onboard drones. MVA mode is like they took a room of twelve year old boys and asked them what would make a cool ship and that’s what they came up with.
My head canon is Starfleet woke up and got rid of MVA for the actual production models, radically cutting the cost and increasing reliability, getting a far more practical ship as a result
MVAM is not a good idea.
Compare two Prometheus designs:
1) Prometheus with MVAM
2) Prometheus without MVAM
Prometheus with MVAM has to armor the exposed areas, has 1/3 of its power in each segment for both shields and weapons, and cannot reinforce one of the sections that takes more damage. Finally, if the upper engine section gets destroyed, the saucer section and lower engine section cannot reconnect.
Prometheus without MVAM does not need to allocate armor to exposed areas, has its full power available to focus on a single target, and if part of the ship takes too much damage the power and shielding can be easily transferred from one section to another.
The main use for a MVAM would be if the ship was designed to have a 'strategic section' and multiple 'tactical sections'. You have the Warp 9-capable main hull that is designed to support the full crew (medical, food, long-range sensors, long-term maintenance systems, 10-Forward, etc). The tactical sections would be designed to only last a week at most, and are not equipped for more than that. Essentially a carrier design, but with Defiant-style 'fighters' attached to the outside of the hull.
@@toddkes5890 I had similar thoughts, law of practicality, its like they were thinking of exposing more guns to fire. But my main thought was multiple complex mechanics can cause problems in the long run. Like the m16’s notorious reliablity issues in vietnam due to its more complex and compact parts compared to the ak-47. While the ak-47 had problems to, they were not as bad as the m16.
Actually anything over-complex is doomed to have problems.
So i think the mva mode probably got removed for that reason canonically. Its not even that useful if your using the promethius in star trek online as a torpedo boat.
@@jamesd5842 ironically 2 drones in addition to the three main sections was the original concept it was just too complicated for the FX budget to allow.
I honestly thought it would make more sense to have an intrepid or akira and 2 saber classes and just have them always together and use a coordinated attack program
Yes, 2 build a ship that can split into 3 parts would require so much extra duplication of key components that a huge amount of internal volume and systems would be dedicated to achieve that. Probably more effective to produce 3 defiant or sabers. Though I like the promotheus design just without MVAM. I always thought it was a gimmick.
Not a battleship, a battlecruiser: Fast, heavily armed, not overly large. Also, when Riker's fleet arrived, it should of been mostly this class. That would of rocked.
It sounded good to me on headphones.
I love this era of ship designs this one the Akira the sovereign they just look so damn good.
Newly-built indeed was the Prometheus ship in "Message In A Bottle" Star Trek Voyager episode at now Ibingay, Masbate, Philippines. That is, used immediately for an episode. Their strategy was to just have it destroyed in the process or encounters. Of course, the ship design (and new computer algorithms and systems too) must have been saved in the databases that time 1970s or maybe 1980s already, always uploaded to Starfleet satellites. But, were they? The Prometheus was able to escape Masbate, iirc? Where did it go? I dunno...
It would have been nice if the basic look of the Prometheus (with quad nacelles) had been the basis of the Inquiry Class instead of the generic Saucer, secondary hull and two nacelles.
That would fit in with not only the more Militaristic (and scared and defensive) Starfleet of the time of Picard™, but would have fit in with the mission profile of the Inquiry Class - a high speed interceptor designed to get quickly to any problem for the Federation, and _deal with it._ ["the fastest and most powerful…"]
Just mix the design language a bit with the Defiant, by having the quad nacelles be closer to the body or even integrated to the hull, and they would have something that looks like a armoured spike ready to pentrate.
Oh and ditch the multivector assault mode, it's a solid ship that's basically a fast slugger and easier to produce as Starfleet has lost their biggest shipyard. And so Starfleet is concerned with protecting its boarders as it licks it's wounds.
Now that would have been a dramatic ship that wouldn't have made the fanbase groan.
To make these fit the Federation refrain of "we don't make warships" these really ought to be relegated to system defense and rapid response. Each member world should get three, one dedicated to that specific system, one dedicated to rapid response, and the third being in a flex role, system or rapid. Doing so would give the Federation a powerful defense fleet of up to 300 ships while still keeping each member world defended.
Further, it would make sense for a ship with such a high maximum warp to not be able to go too far, as that engine likely wouldn't be designed for long term use much like a race engine needing extensive maintenance after heavy use. Trek already has this as a precedent as the Romulan Warbird was capable of extreme speeds at the cost of burning out its engines. The class can get anywhere very rapidly, but at the risk of not being able to get back, thus keep them close to home for rapid response, then you can always get them back and replace burnt out parts.
The only thing didn't like about the Promithius class is the pop-up nacelle behind the bridge which simply screams "shoot me here!". It should have been placed between the two halves (upper/middle) of the primary hull and be only visible when separated into the multi-vector mode. This would be far safer and free that space behind the bridge for something else. The same can be said of the four warp nacelles. the struts should be level with each other, and nacelles should be laid against each other to lower the forward profile and present a uniform silhouette.
I absolutely love listening to your videos on my second monitor. Your voice talking through Star Trek details is like ASMR.
It appears to me bow had 12 smaller torpedo ports and four larger ones . The aft is unseen. The sovereign had ten . So 16 isn't completely unreasonable. Video sounds and look great.
I've seen some ST YTbers really diss this ship as being too OP to be legit. What I see here though seems like a totally reasonable design. Like 3 Defiants in one ship.
Ship looks like a crippled squid. Or at best looks like the damn SeaQuest
Ya know, the dish section of this thing reminds me of a cross between an F-20/late F-5E nose (rounded shark-style nose) and Lockheed Have Blue
Keep in mind that when split apart, each bit would be a third of the possible power. Seems kinda silly to me. An Akira takes on a couple Romulan warbirds on its own in the same episode, lol.
I always thought this was design to fight the dominion. With each part being more than a match for a dominion fighter.
Maybe not call it battleship but battlestar… Gives me some vibes
I think my main like of the prometheus was just my general like of quad nacelles. Buuuut... I do think it has a big advantage in having redundant systems. Like one of the most common damages we see to starfleet ships is the warp systems going offline for some reason.
As much as I want to share the Federation's stance of not having warships, I doubt the rest of the universe would be so peaceful. The Prometheus is the perfect example of Theodore Roosevelt's idiom: "Speak softly, and carry a BIG stick".
Warship... Yes...
Battleship... That's very optimistic.
Battleships have staying power, the Prometheus doesn't.
I see this class closer to a destroyer, or cruiser.
Thank you, as always, for these delightful videos, Rick! And I agree with you, the Cerberus would've been a vastly more fitting name. I have a few thoughts you might (or might not) find to be of potential interest, regarding this vessel.
The Prometheus-class Starship's design was always a favorite of mine--the *design*, that is, not the *function*. I don't at all mind the ship being an aggressive combat vessel. In fact, I liked it quite a lot. However, I disliked the "try-hard" Multi-Vector Assault Mode rather strongly. I always felt that feature was just... Unnecessary, and borderline silly. I mean, it's only a matter of time until an opponent learned how to take control of the second and third sections not controlled directly by the crew, using the two secondary hull parts to destroy the primary hull part. This is not even taking into consideration the "how do you put it back together if the center part gets destroyed or its docking points get wrecked?" This issue only gets worse when you consider the possibility of individual parts having their warp nacelles or warp drives damaged beyond what can be repaired in the field, as that would lead to having to leave entire sections of the ship behind if you had to withdraw. Granted, this is better than an entire ship having to be abandoned, but I think I have ideas that help to alleviate this problem.
Overall, I feel that it would be better off to have this vessel be a single ship that includes two complete warp drive systems (two of the larger warp cores working simultaneously) in the single vessel's assembly. This would allow it to take advantage of the quad nacelles to have a level of redundancy that other ships simply would not have (you could lose up to two nacelles and even lose an entire warp core, and still make it home without issue). In addition, you would have all of the firepower of those three pieces packed into a single ship. Arguably the most important thing would be shielding: if you included overlapping regenerative shielding systems (including all of the separate components for all three parts--or even just two of them--in a single ship), you'd have a vastly more durable vessel. PLUS, the separate ship-wide shield emitter systems could potentially operate at different frequencies simultaneously in addition to constantly rotating their frequency modulation (not claiming that I know for sure this would work, but it's a neat idea, you have to admit!), making it virtually impossible to adapt to and penetrate by matching shield modulation. You might get through one, but the other would still repel an attack.
Sure, it would still be a resource-intensive vessel to build, but it would be less-so than the original three-part vessel--and, more importantly (in my opinion), it would be a ship design far less prone to potential weaknesses than the original design. And, of course, you could still keep the primary hull separation function for emergencies/evacuations, as the feature was originally meant to be, it just wouldn't be a warp-capable primary hull all on its own. This could arguably be considered a step backward, but since this wouldn't be a feature intended for combat use--at least most certainly not at warp speeds--it just makes sense to keep for emergencies.
Personally, I kinda like the idea of this being an evolution of the original Prometheus, but that's just me. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this!
This does seem like the kind of convoluted ship design that Cerberus in Mass Effect would make.
Awesome vid
I always liked this ship.
But one idea always comes to mind. If this ship is meant to split in to smaller ships to give a numerical advantage and can each can fully run as an independent ship.
Why not just make a small fleet right of the bat and deploy them in groups.
The "why everyone else in the galaxy was happy that the federation didn't make warships" class. Along with the Defiant.
Nice, Power Rangers reference!…Hey, maybe you can do a video on the Astro megaship? It would be cool to see
The Prometheus class seems to fit the role of a heavy interceptor based on how it was deployed
Do you have a video covering just the battle of sector 001 or have any plans to make one? I know the scene itself isn’t long in the movie but I feel like there would have been a lot of lore behind something so significant
Did the Prometheus have additional bridges? It seems like a missed opportunity not to have a battle bridge in the lower section in case you simply needed to split the ship in two or have one section "stand guard" somewhere.
It's a cool ship for sure, just skip the whole multi vector assault mode though. If there is a situation where 3 ships are needed, just send 3 ships. How does the deck layout work? Do the sections all need a warp core? How does that tiny nacelle on top of the saucer section manage to keep up with the other two sections? What if the middle section is destroyed, will they still be able to get back to a starbase? Overall nice design, but skip the separating sections. The Akira class fits the bill of a battleship more since it's capable of holding a squadron of Peregrine class fighters.
There is another corresponding nacelle on the bottom of the saucer section that pairs. From the blueprints it looks to have 2 warp cores, but one of those splits in half vertically to serve two ships. Decks work the same, no reason it wouldn't as it's not like the End-D stardrive suddenly renumbered when split from the saucer. In regards to the middle section blowing up,they can get back to starbase...in fact its a better situation than the Galaxy and all the semi-canon saucer separations as all sections are warp capable.
The author and illustrator of ROBO TREK 1987 and BIOS WARS would indicate differently, as to whom designed that ship. Check out the cover art for the ROBO TREK novel, or the more recent BIOS WARS videos. Furthermore, much of the ROBO TREK art works and story, has been pulled apart and use in STNG, ST DS9, ST VOYAGER, and more recently ST DISCOVERY. After the original 10C Proposal was submitted to Paramount/Viacom in the late 1980's early 1990's. God willing, those truths will be forthcoming, when Jemco DEEP releases better and more truly unique Canadian content.
Also video looked good and sounded fine to me
Love This Video !! It’s My Favorite Class Of Starships Besides The Excelesior Class !!!
With holo-emitters on each deck, there's always the option to generate extra crew from holograms if needed. (And provided power/holo systems don't get knocked out! :D) Does pose an interesting question on what next-steps Starfleet should take in expanding automation. Voyager touched on holo rights and holo labour in it's final season, pity it wasn't explored more.
Personally I loved the two parter Voyager had where the Hirogen took Voyager and turned the ship into a giant Holo deck. Using WW2 era soldiers to retake the ship was brilliant and I really wish they had something like that built into the Prometheus after it got stolen. An emergency holo-commando unit ready to retake the ship.
By the picard series timeline, hologram suites of simulated crew have entered civilian use.
Well, this ship is diplomacy incarnate, because it embodies the quote "Speak softly - but carry a big stick!" - this thing is the big stick and Federation diplomacy is usually soft (but with a hint of steel behind it, especially after the Dominion War!) spoken, they don't make outrageous demands (hell, they are willing to sign crappy peace treaties with people they could defeat, from the Treaty of Algeron (banning cloaking-devices in the Federation - well, at least for Starfleet, I doubt they prohibit a privately owned ship from having one if the owner can afford it!) with the Romulans, to the Treaty with the Cardassian Empire, which gave Cardassia Federation worlds (something that shouldn't ever have been acceptable, much less on the table (should have refused!), it wasn't like the Federation was losing, they are just too comfy and lack the will to fight unless it's the all or nothing kind of deal the Dominion offered - with the Cardassian being the Federation's jailor, something nobody wanted!))
The author and illustrator of ROBO TREK 1987 and BIOS WARS would indicate differently, as to whom designed that ship. Check out the cover art for the ROBO TREK novel, or the more recent BIOS WARS videos. Furthermore, much of the ROBO TREK art works and story, has been pulled apart and use in STNG, ST DS9, ST VOYAGER, and more recently ST DISCOVERY. After the original 10C Proposal was submitted to Paramount/Viacom in the late 1980's early 1990's. God willing, those truths will be forthcoming, when Jemco DEEP releases better and more truly unique Canadian content.
I loved the design, I hated the "multi-vector assault mode"
Greetings there is Defiant Varient USS INCURSION NX-74808 from Star Trej Awaytean I dont know if you heared of her she kick ass ship. But I wish the Enterprise-E was Prometheus class starship.
I wish this ship was more cool in STO. I love ships that bring their own friends.
What i love about the Prometheus class is that it is, as Rick puts it, a long sword. See we forget that the Constitution was a pretty rugged ship and probably designed to be a heavy fighter during the Klingon federation war.
Subsequently every design that bore the name enterprise was the most advanced and well equipped ship of her era. Powerful shields, powerful hulls powerful weapons. However they where never dedicated combat vessels they could just hold their own in a pinch with the idea being that space is dangerous. We also see that this policy has worked out. They had conflicts with the klingons, romulans, cardasians even recently by the time TNG was coming around and this policy of just making good equipment held up as they tended to come out on top or at least exhaust their enemy into a stand-still.
The Prometheus is like the Defiant, what happens when you force a nation that doesn't want war, to make war-focused vessels. The defiant is small, durable, and focused. Able to dish out fire power that can as we've seen in the mirror universe, damage some of the biggest most durable ships out there. The prometheus is the weapon used to clear out entire regions. It's likely that a fully equipped federation fleet would have somewhere between a dozen and a hundred of these ships, one stationed at every major star base with no permanent crew but a permanent security detail. A number of trained security who's job it is to just keep the ship safe and probably a good number of people assigned as repair crew but the actual command crew would be just who happened to be avaliable from the starbase when a crisis came up being beamed over and quickly taking off with the Prometheus, find the threat, and deal with it.
The Prometheus and the Defiant, what happens when you piss off nerds.
So top secret that the Romulans not only stole it but we're capable of flying it.
I hope they kept spare ship sections in case a piece gets destroyed during multi vector assault mode
This was excellent timing for this episode, given that I just re-watched the episode of Voyager about Prometheus lol. Thank you for this video!
Stay well out there everybody, and God bless you, friends. ✝️ :)
A perfect name for a 4th ship’s name would be hydra. (Greek mythology and multiple heads).
Cerberus and Chimaera surely, but I like where your...head is at!
2:14 “advanced sensor system”, even though it didn’t detect the alien communications network it was close enough to receive a holographic data stream from…
The crew had been incapacitated or killed by Romulans. And the Romulans weren't exactly looking for it...
The federation knows how to make one hell of a ship.
Wooo, finnally, best ship. Not gonna tell me otherwise, I even made it in Scrap Mechanic
Yeah I'd say it came out really well, this video looked and sounded great!
The Prometheus is a great ship, and it's good to see a video on it - Nicely Done!!
Shields can adapt to a specific section getting hit the most. So I thought the multivector attack mode was just that about having multiple vectors the target Shield systems would have to account for. Otherwise you could just add more phaser strips and divert power to those separate phaser strips for a frontal targeted assault. Less Mass also theoretically means more maneuverability. This is why the Venture class is the most underrated ship in Star Trek. By the way the Venture class has two micro torpedo launchers on both the part and starboard side with no forward torpedo launcher. Look at the design and be honest. The Akira class and the Venture class have the right idea on side torpedo launchers. You need to have transversal velocity in order to avoid getting hit. If you're 24 decks High it doesn't matter how sleep the profile looks you're still 24 fucking decks High so ships like the Norway class look great but the board is going to shoot down every Cruiser no matter what silhouette it has. So I just think fans have a major misconception also shooting at Target over 100,000 miles away he's very realistic. In space it's easier to get things much higher velocities and your ability to play on the limits of physics to defend yourself makes it worth getting out to those distances.
Hi I recommend everyone who wants to know more about how the Prometheus was used go find the 3 book series Star Trek Prometheus because it show it did not stay idea in space dock
The author and illustrator of ROBO TREK 1987 and BIOS WARS would indicate differently, as to whom designed that ship. Check out the cover art for the ROBO TREK novel, or the more recent BIOS WARS videos. Furthermore, much of the ROBO TREK art works and story, has been pulled apart and use in STNG, ST DS9, ST VOYAGER, and more recently ST DISCOVERY. After the original 10C Proposal was submitted to Paramount/Viacom in the late 1980's early 1990's. God willing, those truths will be forthcoming, when Jemco DEEP releases better and more truly unique Canadian content.
My sto morgru is called cerberus my favourite ship by far
fwiw, I didn't notice any difference to your old setup.
Nice to see someone picking up some slack from where others are failing on this topic.
The author and illustrator of ROBO TREK 1987 and BIOS WARS would indicate differently, as to whom designed that ship. Check out the cover art for the ROBO TREK novel, or the more recent BIOS WARS videos. Furthermore, much of the ROBO TREK art works and story, has been pulled apart and use in STNG, ST DS9, ST VOYAGER, and more recently ST DISCOVERY. After the original 10C Proposal was submitted to Paramount/Viacom in the late 1980's early 1990's. God willing, those truths will be forthcoming, when Jemco DEEP releases better and more truly unique Canadian content.
The Federation: We don't make warships...unless you really piss us off.
and in that case we make 3
What I would like to know is whether or not the separation capabilities of the USS Prometheus could be used for more than just the multi-vector assault mode, such as the individual sections functioning as emergency escape vehicles (similar to the intended purpose for separating the saucer section of the USS Enterprise-D) in the event that one of the sections of the Prometheus suffers an unstoppable warp core breach, and the affected warp core cannot be ejected in order to save the whole ship.
Did..did you just ask for a starship with a laser sword?