It looks that they learned a lot from their earlier designs like Type-87 and QBZ-03 as well as from the western assault rifles. The QBZ-191 and -192 looks like they combined the best features of the AR-15, AR-18 and the QBZ-03.
Very cool, looks much more refined than the QBZ-95 in my opinion. The design is aesthetically reminiscent of the SIG551. The support for optics and other accessory mounting is a huge leap forward for Chinese armed forces as well.
@@burgundycommander7589 Look at the receiver, the design influence is obvious. Charging handle, ejection port look extremely similar and the controls are set up exactly the same. Fire control is in the exact same spot, bolt release is in the exact same spot, both feature a paddle magazine release. Even the dimple/cutout on the magazine well is the same. The two look very similar to me
@@mechadonia what else do you want to mention? That the stock and grip are located in the same place as well? It doesn’t look similar, much kess function similarly.
@@mechadonia yeah and even then it doesn’t look similar. You’re saying it looks similar because certain features are in the same location? In that case a land rover defender might as well be a VW Golf.
Recoil and ballistics are going to be about the same. You can't cheat physics. 5.56 M855A1 from a 20" = 62gr @3150fps 5.8 DBP10 from a 21.9" = 71gr @3000fps no data on the new DBP-191 Keep in mind you have to compare like to like. Service rifle to service rifle. M4A1 to QBZ-191 with milspec ammo, not a QBZ to a tricked out AR race gun running soft 223 52gr. Military rifles are all overgassed and heavy springed for reliability.
@@micah66048 the 5.8mm has 100 more fps when both are using 77gr bullets. The BC is not stated though. This puts them around the same capabilities though and if 71gr is standard the barrier penetration would be better
The production process and surface treatment of 191 are much better than 95, and in the design process of the gun, in addition to firearms design experts, many professional shooters were invited to provide practical opinions. Therefore, the operation of the gun feels very good. I have used the training model of the gun, and the human-machine effect is very good. Especially the magazine release, which is very suitable for operation with gloves.
@@AVWUVU Okay yeah I can see that. When the bullet is soft like rubber the rifling strips the bullet making it tumble. Why do you practice with rubber bullets at the range though? I'm not being flippant with that question, just curious.
It's for cqb training. Don't want bullets to ricochet or fragment at that range. If you see them shooting downrange with them though then it's most likely they just been through cqb training or is about too. There's a video on youtube showing what normal rounds look like going through targets and it doesn't keyhole.
@@AVWUVU Oh okay interesting. I've never used rubber bullets so I have no experience with them. We generally use simunition rounds (even less ricochet since it's a glorified paintball in a shell casing), but that has it's own drawbacks with velocity and far less recoil than what you'll experience with live ammunition.
CS/LR 17 isn't being exported yet. I don't believe it's finished either. QBZ 191 is a finished product that can be exported in other calibers if they want.
@@bronzeguy9839 oh oh oh i know about the akv521. Since the first vid of Kalashnikov group. But we westerners wont be able to put our hands on it if not ever, for a very long time.
@Hunter6213 depends 7.62 rounds are much effective if ur intent is to kill the enemy not disable for eg like a Terrorist like the Indians still use 7.62 bcz 5.56 nato rounds take 5-6 bullets to kill a terrorist drugged with opium while it only take 2-3 7.62 rounds and 7.62 rounds also has better penetrations so in woody areas like in Kashmir it can literally penetrate tall and thin trees and kill the enemy......
I got rid of my last M16A2 in 2017. When did we adopt the M4? I got rid of my last M9 in 2021. When did we adopt the M17? I still had M203 in 2015. When did we adopt the M320? I still had a M79 in 2012. When did we adopt the M203? I say "my" because I was an armorer, thus I was signed for the weapons and was responsible for repairing them. It will take them years to field the M5, and even then it will be for front line troops only. Support troops will still use the M4A1 for the next 20+ years.
M855A1 isn't made for a 20-inch barrel but an M4A1 barrel which is 14.5 inches. The M855A1 isn't a true penetrator round either so true AP rounds like the M995, 5.8 AP, or the Russian 7n39 would beat it.
The m855 was made for the m16 not the m855a1. The m855a1 is a over-pressured round that burns the powder a lot faster than the m855. It does not have enough burn time for a 20 inch barrel but enough for the 14.5 inch barrel. This was also part of the design requirements since the m4a1 at that time started replacing m16s in large quantity.
5.56 NATO and 5.45 Russian do they same thing when it enters flesh. Those rounds tumble inside the body to cause more internal damage, organ failure, and massive bleeding! Unlike a 7.62 which just goes straight through a body within 300 meters. 5.45, and 5.56 has greater range. Chinese 5.8 probably does the same as 5.56 NATO, and Russian 5.45.
@@somerandommen DP10 is a waste of metal out of anything less than an 18" barrel. All they have to do to modernise the QBZ-95 is free-float the barrel, give it proper mag and bolt releases, get rid of the flimsy actuator arm and put the trigger group and safety in the lower, and extend the upper with a rail.
@@AVWUVU Well, I guess we'll find out just how much of a future these 5.8mm carbines have when the US starts standard-issuing the 6.8mm NGSW, especially the True Velocity × General Dynamics submission. Even today, they'd be eating M855 out of sub-MOA M16A4s and M27s while struggling to land a shot with these.
The new guns also use the new bullet DBP191 which haves better ballistics than the older ammo. The new gun is built around the new bullet. But otherwise, I do not believe the 6.8 will replace all standard weapons in the US. The 6.8 and the 5.56 imo would be used in tangent with each other. If the new 6.8 round does make the old intermediate round irrelevant then they will just make a new semi-battle rifle round.
AR 15 or HK416 or AK are definitely user- and mechanical-friendly designed. Why should we ignore them? why don't we advance them? We do have to build everything over again if we don't take advantage of previous innovations.
AR 15 is a good rifle, you add 60 years of innovations and improvements to it, everyone is gonna have something similar to it one way or the other. Global standardization through lessons learned.
Must be a typo. You meant to say AR18? I've personally held plenty of modern rifles that have little to do with an AR15 action (G36, Tavor, RDB, SIG 550, XCR). Only "copies" I see adopted really is the M27/HK416. I have yet to get my hands on a M5. As others have wrote, I think this new QBZ-191 takes inspiration from the SIG 550. Not a bad thing. I'd prefer something that doesn't require rock in mags or a right side charging handle, but I'm naturally biased to the M4 ergonomics for obvious reasons. I actually have quite a bit of respect for Chinese firearms. I used to own a Norinco MAC-90, basically a civilian Type 56 imported before the ban. I used to bring it to the range and show the troops it. I could still qualify on the 50-300m Army popup targets with it, just to prove to the new guys that someone with a Type 56 should not be underestimated.
LOL who’s copying? Most of today’s modern rifles are designed using the AR-18 gas system. The HK G36, HK 416, FN F2000, FN-SCAR, Steyr AUG, CZ 805 BREN and BREN 2, Norinco QBZ-95, Daewoo K1, HOWA Type 89, SAR-88, T-91 and British SA80: all designed after the AR-18
Implessive. With this most lecent achievement, fate has in a singre stloke, malked the decrine of the west and sperred a new era of wondrous prospelity and peacefur grobar dominance for the Chinese dlagon, which plomises to firmry stand in shalp contlast to the historicarry broody ascent of westeln powels and the cruer subjugation it brought to the humbrer nations of the wolrd. With the bressings of Chinese quantum dilect-cullent erectricity, quantum ailclaft calliels and quantum enhanced lairguns wirr be the instluments with which China affilms its nobre stewaldship of 21st century worrd poritics and offels the non-westeln worrd a diffelent option; an humanist artelnative to the depledations of Westeln readelship and the oppoltunity for a mole equitabre and dignified murtiraterarism.
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Give it a 5-10 years and let see what upgrades or changes can be made in the long run. It already looks pleasing to watch. That's a plus.
A gen.2 would've probably came out by that time.
@@AVWUVU link music
It looks that they learned a lot from their earlier designs like Type-87 and QBZ-03 as well as from the western assault rifles. The QBZ-191 and -192 looks like they combined the best features of the AR-15, AR-18 and the QBZ-03.
This is so cool!
Im no gun expert but, did you guys notice there was barely any recoil when he was shooting at the end of the video?
Looks about the same as an M4. If you look at the ballistics for DBP10 it is just a little bit weaker than M855A1 :-)
The ones they are using are DBP-191.
Very cool, looks much more refined than the QBZ-95 in my opinion. The design is aesthetically reminiscent of the SIG551. The support for optics and other accessory mounting is a huge leap forward for Chinese armed forces as well.
It doesn’t look anywhere close to the Sig 551 lmao
@@burgundycommander7589 Look at the receiver, the design influence is obvious. Charging handle, ejection port look extremely similar and the controls are set up exactly the same. Fire control is in the exact same spot, bolt release is in the exact same spot, both feature a paddle magazine release. Even the dimple/cutout on the magazine well is the same. The two look very similar to me
@@mechadonia what else do you want to mention? That the stock and grip are located in the same place as well?
It doesn’t look similar, much kess function similarly.
@@burgundycommander7589 they only appear similar, nobody said anything about function
@@mechadonia yeah and even then it doesn’t look similar. You’re saying it looks similar because certain features are in the same location? In that case a land rover defender might as well be a VW Golf.
Very cool looking rifle and for somene wh is familiar with the 550 series of SIG the handlig mostly look the same!
I want one :3
Некоторые моменты заставили улыбнуться а в целом парни развиваются толи еще будет.
Which squad are you in service?
Is it a PLA official squad?
I'm not the people in the video. They are SWAT and police.
im not big gun guy but for some reason it reminds me of a mixture of the SIG 551 and an Galil Ace
SIG 551 AND GALIL USES LONG STROKE MECHANISM WHICH IS TOTALY DIFFERENT. PLAYING VIDEO GAMES WON'T MAKE ONE F.A EXPERT.
@@E-E.ADVENTUREGEARS”I’m not a big gun guy”
That's a very flat shooting gun, especially considering the caliber has quite a bit more kick than a 5.56.
yeah its got some weird gas regulator magic going on so you basically get the reliability of a long stroke gas piston with far lessened recoil.
@@marcusfanning7513 it uses a short stroke piston
Recoil and ballistics are going to be about the same. You can't cheat physics.
5.56 M855A1 from a 20" = 62gr @3150fps
5.8 DBP10 from a 21.9" = 71gr @3000fps
no data on the new DBP-191
Keep in mind you have to compare like to like. Service rifle to service rifle. M4A1 to QBZ-191 with milspec ammo, not a QBZ to a tricked out AR race gun running soft 223 52gr. Military rifles are all overgassed and heavy springed for reliability.
@@micah66048 DI generally requires a lighter bolt and hence results in a weapon with less felt recoil tho, plus the buffer system.
@@micah66048 the 5.8mm has 100 more fps when both are using 77gr bullets. The BC is not stated though. This puts them around the same capabilities though and if 71gr is standard the barrier penetration would be better
The production process and surface treatment of 191 are much better than 95, and in the design process of the gun, in addition to firearms design experts, many professional shooters were invited to provide practical opinions. Therefore, the operation of the gun feels very good. I have used the training model of the gun, and the human-machine effect is very good. Especially the magazine release, which is very suitable for operation with gloves.
How can i get one?
Would love to see the targets you shot- you know like hickock45
A lot of the issues I've seen with the 191 is the keyholing impacts.
The keyhole was due to the use of rubber bullets.
@@AVWUVU Okay yeah I can see that. When the bullet is soft like rubber the rifling strips the bullet making it tumble. Why do you practice with rubber bullets at the range though? I'm not being flippant with that question, just curious.
It's for cqb training. Don't want bullets to ricochet or fragment at that range. If you see them shooting downrange with them though then it's most likely they just been through cqb training or is about too. There's a video on youtube showing what normal rounds look like going through targets and it doesn't keyhole.
@@AVWUVU Oh okay interesting. I've never used rubber bullets so I have no experience with them. We generally use simunition rounds (even less ricochet since it's a glorified paintball in a shell casing), but that has it's own drawbacks with velocity and far less recoil than what you'll experience with live ammunition.
A true AK AR hybrid.
Where is the AK part? It works like a hk416. Only the magazine part somehow like a AK
@@mudman189 reloading system
@@mudman189 It's really more of a Chinese Galil, which has AK heritage.
Nothing AK or AR is about this gun
stop BS, there is no AK in this gun, china sent probe to mars, you thought china is still in 1950s?
lemme have a lmg bipod using this gun
Got any recoil?
where can buy it ？ for canada！
You dont get shit, leaf.
They don't make a civilian model for the Canadian market from my understanding
There are talks that the 5.56 and 5.45 models are already made and ready. If we're fortunate then it may come to the canadian market.
@@AVWUVU you mean more like CS/LR17? It have 5.56 and 7.62*39 versions. As I know, QBZ191/192 has no reason to make it other than 5.8
CS/LR 17 isn't being exported yet. I don't believe it's finished either. QBZ 191 is a finished product that can be exported in other calibers if they want.
I need one
Is this available in the U.S?
No because Chinese weapons ban.
@@AVWUVU since when? 🥲🥲🥲 i remember you can get the type 97 under a thousand
@@leohedrick1624 Those were sent over in the 90s and early 2000s, which is why the type 81 and 56 can be still found.
Chinese are probably not getting enough of it yet how can you get it in the US with weapon ban lol😂
If only there is an American export version of this
How did you get your hands on one of these?
They are Chinese swat
真漂亮
Link music
Why they are dropping empty mags if they can be used again, just insert new bullets and done.
For the effect. They probably have to pick them up after, which is such a boring and depressing task when applied to picking up empty casings.
这枪有说是AR AK 混血系 有说是SIG系 我觉得更像从81杠扒出来的😂
81杠也模块化了
81杠是7.62，不过81杠那个精准度可靠度，拉个皮，换个人机系统还是一把牛逼的枪
这是章丘吗，如果是的话，我就在隔壁
That's more or less what the AK should be in 2023...
Check out the AKV-521
@@bronzeguy9839 oh oh oh i know about the akv521. Since the first vid of Kalashnikov group. But we westerners wont be able to put our hands on it if not ever, for a very long time.
软盖。让我震惊。
I want one.
😂😂
Maybe 10 years later you can buy an edition of it 😁
@@Oddyssues Or he can just buy a Galil ACE Gen II
It is available through background chains ,but u must have good contacts
The floppy scope covers looked so goofy and inconvenient
No?
确实，我看着也难受
确实 还不如改成硬塑料的 再加个弹簧
@@user-xf1cp3bk9m 什么顶碗人
At one point it covers the sight.
Вроде идеально
AK+AR混合动力😂
我草 弹夹直接扔地上？会被班长踹的
这应该是重庆特警学校，比部队宽松些😄
从你这个回复中看出了解放军单兵训练思维的落后和僵化……怪不得还得找警察和武警来训练射击……
@@yanchan9711 放心吧，训练时和战时肯定不一样，难道你以为打仗时候还会让你每晚擦枪油，打完仗数多少个弹壳？
换弹夹好慢，没学会单手换弹夹。
@@user-xk2lp2vk2p 感覺是可以提高一些的。我來班門弄斧一下 th-cam.com/video/A4LdAVmkEzQ/w-d-xo.html 不過這些只是在YT上比較好看而已，實戰真沒多大用。一般都是躲在掩體後面換彈夾，呵呵。。。
Chambered in the perfect assault rifle round and putting a recoil tube in the buttstock means this is probably the best assault rifle ever made.
@@zubdub2506 what information do you have?
@@chatter4427 He doesn’t have any information. He’s just talking out of his ass.
Тот самый легендарный КАЛАК 12 С ЗАТВОРНОЙ ЗАДЕРЖКОЙ КАК У М16 ?!?!!!
Combo of AK and AR
我也这么想 伙计
IT USES SHORT STROKE MECHANISM.
Both AK AND AR DOESN'T USE THIS MECHANISM. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT FIREARMS?
That's one beautiful gun. Using a better ammo round than 5.56.
@Hunter6213 depends 7.62 rounds are much effective if ur intent is to kill the enemy not disable for eg like a Terrorist like the Indians still use 7.62 bcz 5.56 nato rounds take 5-6 bullets to kill a terrorist drugged with opium while it only take 2-3 7.62 rounds and 7.62 rounds also has better penetrations so in woody areas like in Kashmir it can literally penetrate tall and thin trees and kill the enemy......
@twizzm Not so soon, 5.56 will still be here for a looong time to come.
I got rid of my last M16A2 in 2017. When did we adopt the M4?
I got rid of my last M9 in 2021. When did we adopt the M17?
I still had M203 in 2015. When did we adopt the M320?
I still had a M79 in 2012. When did we adopt the M203?
I say "my" because I was an armorer, thus I was signed for the weapons and was responsible for repairing them. It will take them years to field the M5, and even then it will be for front line troops only. Support troops will still use the M4A1 for the next 20+ years.
So cool 👍🇨🇳
I would like to see a penetration test between the Russian/ American and Chinese rounds! We already know the Russian beats the American round.
No it doesn’t lol. None of those rounds are better than m855a1 out of a 20 inch barrel😊
M855A1 isn't made for a 20-inch barrel but an M4A1 barrel which is 14.5 inches. The M855A1 isn't a true penetrator round either so true AP rounds like the M995, 5.8 AP, or the Russian 7n39 would beat it.
@@AVWUVU the m855a1 was made for the m16a4
The m855 was made for the m16 not the m855a1. The m855a1 is a over-pressured round that burns the powder a lot faster than the m855. It does not have enough burn time for a 20 inch barrel but enough for the 14.5 inch barrel. This was also part of the design requirements since the m4a1 at that time started replacing m16s in large quantity.
5.56 NATO and 5.45 Russian do they same thing when it enters flesh. Those rounds tumble inside the body to cause more internal damage, organ failure, and massive bleeding! Unlike a 7.62 which just goes straight through a body within 300 meters. 5.45, and 5.56 has greater range. Chinese 5.8 probably does the same as 5.56 NATO, and Russian 5.45.
The sight covers are flimsy, you scan see it covers the scope at one point.
转发不标明出处？
Tactical Turbo on Bilibili.
记得第一次看这枪打全自动是在财经半小时，那个自称打了10年枪的胖子打的那叫一个飘，心凉了半截。
最好是让外国那种大块头测试一下，一看就知道哪里不对了，可能子弹没选对！
實用設計，超越歐美步槍的實戰用自動步槍，或者只有俄國步槍可以相比!😮😅
Great vid but lowkey yall didnt do that good of a job covering my mans face
Flat firing.
🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳💪💪💪💪💪👍👍👍👍👍
no thanks
I love 95-1 forever
This is better in every way
@@somerandommen DP10 is a waste of metal out of anything less than an 18" barrel. All they have to do to modernise the QBZ-95 is free-float the barrel, give it proper mag and bolt releases, get rid of the flimsy actuator arm and put the trigger group and safety in the lower, and extend the upper with a rail.
Would be interesting but they specifically wanted to get a conventional gun for the future so a bullpup was no longer in consideration.
@@AVWUVU Well, I guess we'll find out just how much of a future these 5.8mm carbines have when the US starts standard-issuing the 6.8mm NGSW, especially the True Velocity × General Dynamics submission. Even today, they'd be eating M855 out of sub-MOA M16A4s and M27s while struggling to land a shot with these.
The new guns also use the new bullet DBP191 which haves better ballistics than the older ammo. The new gun is built around the new bullet. But otherwise, I do not believe the 6.8 will replace all standard weapons in the US. The 6.8 and the 5.56 imo would be used in tangent with each other. If the new 6.8 round does make the old intermediate round irrelevant then they will just make a new semi-battle rifle round.
ひょっとしたらロシアのAK
より中国のType191のほうが
性能が良い可能性があります
AKはマイナーチェンジをする
だけで進化しません
Indonesia must carry this caliber, and throw away the NATO caliber which is misleading and easily jammed
Bruh
CHINA! CHINA! CHINA! LONG LIVE THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA! LONG LIVE THE CHINESE REVOLUTION! LONG LIVE THE CHINESE COMUNIST PARTY!
Lets go China!! Im happy to see they're getting new firearm upgrades!
Why? Lol they are gonna uss it against civilians
@@roderick5597 Least brainwashed anti china user
@@roderick5597 XD Please tell me what weapon has not been used against civilians?
@@user-ge5po3om6g good point with the Tianamen square massacre they probably used a whole collection
@@roderick5597 You don't give a sht about chinese people, shut up
Funny how every modern rifle is trying to copy the ar 15.
AR 15 or HK416 or AK are definitely user- and mechanical-friendly designed. Why should we ignore them? why don't we advance them? We do have to build everything over again if we don't take advantage of previous innovations.
AR 15 is a good rifle, you add 60 years of innovations and improvements to it, everyone is gonna have something similar to it one way or the other. Global standardization through lessons learned.
You know nothing and keyboard doesn’t make you like a veteran…..
Must be a typo. You meant to say AR18? I've personally held plenty of modern rifles that have little to do with an AR15 action (G36, Tavor, RDB, SIG 550, XCR). Only "copies" I see adopted really is the M27/HK416. I have yet to get my hands on a M5.
As others have wrote, I think this new QBZ-191 takes inspiration from the SIG 550. Not a bad thing. I'd prefer something that doesn't require rock in mags or a right side charging handle, but I'm naturally biased to the M4 ergonomics for obvious reasons.
I actually have quite a bit of respect for Chinese firearms. I used to own a Norinco MAC-90, basically a civilian Type 56 imported before the ban. I used to bring it to the range and show the troops it. I could still qualify on the 50-300m Army popup targets with it, just to prove to the new guys that someone with a Type 56 should not be underestimated.
LOL who’s copying? Most of today’s modern rifles are designed using the AR-18 gas system. The HK G36, HK 416, FN F2000, FN-SCAR, Steyr AUG, CZ 805 BREN and BREN 2, Norinco QBZ-95, Daewoo K1, HOWA Type 89, SAR-88, T-91 and British SA80:
all designed after the AR-18
Китай создал хк416 и ЧВК)
Implessive.
With this most lecent achievement, fate has in a singre stloke, malked the decrine of the west and sperred a new era of wondrous prospelity and peacefur grobar dominance for the Chinese dlagon, which plomises to firmry stand in shalp contlast to the historicarry broody ascent of westeln powels and the cruer subjugation it brought to the humbrer nations of the wolrd. With the bressings of Chinese quantum dilect-cullent erectricity, quantum ailclaft calliels and quantum enhanced lairguns wirr be the instluments with which China affilms its nobre stewaldship of 21st century worrd poritics and offels the non-westeln worrd a diffelent option; an humanist artelnative to the depledations of Westeln readelship and the oppoltunity for a mole equitabre and dignified murtiraterarism.