This is the highest quality trailer I've ever seen. Here in the U.S. I get tired of the cheap forest river trailers. This has so many features that I have never seen before. My favorite part is all the windows. I love it. I would gladly pay the high price.
Still looking for a camper. I like Safari Condo, InTech and even some fiberglass ones. Loved your video as it was a no nosense walk through coverage answering all the questions.
Both videos were excellent! I’m considering upgrading from my Leesurelite to a small trailer, and even if I can’t swing this one there were lots of helpful hints on what to look for so thanks!
I do love the windows expanding the camper, you presented good easons, of choosing this camper, I do think RV manufacturers should not take advantage of people who need smaller campers by pricing it out of reasonable range
Thanks for a great video. We bought our R1723 in 2020, and have enjoyed many trips so far. I really like your modification to put memory foam atop each cushion and cover with vinyl...I'm going to look into doing same. Currently, we bring two 2" latex foam rolls for sleeping, but your approach is more convenient over the long haul.
Hi Dave, I have similar question to my previous post... I'd be curious what you pull your R1723 with? Plus then, if you've calculated your "normal everyday" MPGs verses your "trailer pulling" fuel economy MPGs calculated at the pump without relying on the vehicles computer? Thanks!
Thanks very much for this. We have our R1723 on order, due 3rd Q next year! (2024). So we've been on the waitlist nearly 2 years already. We live on the west coast of the US, so if they can no longer ship to Colorado, it may kill the deal for us. (We are just not up for a 6,000 mile round trip drive to pick it up. That's 90 hours of driving!) Otherwise, we are super excited to have this trailer. Your walkthrough and tips are very helpful. Thanks again.
It's always great to hear from other people who are joining the Alto family 😀 We hope that you get your trailer soon and enjoy it as much as we enjoy ours. Thanks for watching!
Totally agree with your reasons for buying it. We bought a used T@B 400 for many of the same reasons as you (just as the pandemic hit DOH!). Our only concern is the tongue weight, as it pushes the upper limit for our vehicle (2016 Kia Sorento V6). One question you may have not seen, and may have answered in a later video, is gas mileage with your Venza.
Best average for a trip is 15.4 l/100 km or 15.3 US mpg (secondary highways/lower speeds), worst is around 19.5 l/100 km or 12 US mpg (freeway/headwind/higher speeds). Average on trip from Toronto to Waterton/Banff/Jasper in the Rockies was 16.4 l/100 km or 14.3 US mpg (which includes a fair bit of driving without the trailer). By far and away the worst gas mileage was in Ontario on the Alberta trip, it was much better in the prairies and mountains.
@@DayHikerFromTheSix - That sounds about right for us too. As soon as you hit the flat, less gas is used. Hills are the killer for gas mileage. We have been averaging 15 - 17l/100km @100kph because of where we have travelled (Oregon coast, various lakes in Alberta). We have found that going to one of our favourite lakes, which is well into the prairie, takes less gas if we go via the Trans-Canada, as it has less hills than the back roads. Our last trip we were getting about 13l/100km. Still a tough adjustment when your regular highway gas mileage is around 7.5l/100km.
I love the windows, but I have a logistical question. When is the optimal time to take showers inside your trailer? I’m assuming that you wait until you have the window shades attached and before you remove them in the morning, correct?
These are pretty easy to winterize, we did it ourselves last year and will do it again soon! Although we don't have one, Safari Condo does sell the covers for this model. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video! When the roof is up, did you have any water infiltration? Is the junction at the side wall and the uppper windows have a good seal ? Thanks
We think we saw your trailer at Macgregor PP on July 1st… the trailer looked so cute we were looking into it then found your TH-cam channel… so me and my friends we wonder if it was you and your wife that we saw the other day ☺️
Your car looks pretty similar to mine but mine can only do up to 1000 lb. Wondering what kind of car you have it's I'm looking for a car that can tow a small trailer. And thank you for sharing video I'm absolutely in love with this trailer.
We have a 2016 Venza V6. They don’t make them anymore, but here in Canada at least, they are a great value on the used car market! Thanks for watching!
I amconsidering this trailer to fi into garage, What is the exact length (17 ft include tongue length ?) ? length of tongue ? also exact height of trailer (roof closed). ma garage height is so close.
It depends. The new model has a new frame, and it’s taller than ours. We have 15” tires which also add height compared to the 13” tires. Your best approach is to ID the year and options you want, and then you can get the measurements you need. For the brand new model, all specs are on the Safari Condo website, including height with the roof closed and nose lowered.
Thanks for your work on the videos! 👍 So, I was wondering if you've calculated your "normal everyday" verses your "trailer pulling" fuel economy MPG calculated at the pump without relying on the Toyota Trip Computer? Thanks again ever so much... continued blessings!
Normal everyday highway mileage is between 8.7 and 9.5 l/100 km calculated at the pump, depending on speed/wind/terrain. Towing ranges from 14 to 18.8 depending on the same factors. I averaged 16.5 (trip meter number) on a trip out to Banff with the trailer with an average speed of 100 km/h. That was with car and trailer both near max payload. Wind was the main factor changing it from day to day. The trip meter is marginally optimistic…if I get 8.7 on the meter, the pump calculation would be 8.8.
Have you experienced any issues at all? like leaks between the gaps? Kind of concern about the lifting mechanism would fail at certain point. Any rubber seal maintenance work required?
Never had any leaks. I did have to replace one of the gaskets, but even with it torn it didn’t leak. The trailer has been in production for a long time and the roof design, while mot intuitive, is proven. Thanks for watching!
Do you find it hard to get in your garage? I’ve read people having to switch tires or severely deflate the tires to get it in. Also, would you still get the shower and toilet with what you know now? Showering primarily in campground bathrooms etc.
Yes, we have to switch to smaller rims & tires (I'm going to buy them this fall) or run the Michelins completely flat to roll it into the garage, and the tongue has to sit on a low profile floor jack. But our garage door has a bit of sag and the opening is smaller than standard. I think in a newer, more standard sized garage it wouldn't be so challenging.
Altos do tend to hold they are value better than most travel trailers. However, as of the summer 2023, used Altos may be listed with the hope of recovering the original cost, but they are not selling at that price. Frenzied Alto buying fever is a thing of the past. Buyers seeking used Alto expect to pay a lower price due to reasonable depreciation. Sellers seeking to recoup their original costs or to make a profit are only deluding themselves in the current market. This is in keeping with the general decline in RV sales in the US today. New RV sales are down 50% in the United States. That number is 65% in Canada. All RV sales have declined, whether used or new. Prices have followed suit.
Resale values are still strong, but definitely not what they were through the height of Covid. I still think it’s in the plus column compared to buying a cheaper metal skin, rubber roof, commodity trailer. But the financial equation works for us due to savings on the tow vehicle, the convenience of storing it at home, and yes-from less of a hit on depreciation.
We added vinyl upholstery and it hangs down from the bunk and contacts my head. It's on my list of things to do to somehow fasten the vinyl so it doesn't hang down. Long story short, it's an owner modification that's causing what you see!
It is pricey but this trailer is made to last, there is no wood in the construction to rot. This trailer is all aluminum with 1" thick honeycomb aluminum composite panels including the floor.
Yes, the price is steep. The beauty of this industry is that it has a large variety of trailers for all needs, tastes and budgets. Thanks for watching!
Personally I have seen them both but I prefer the 2114 to the 1723. As to the price ... buy it brand new you get to enjoy the wayrranty and eventually the resale price which is amazing !! So actually...long term ...in many ways they are cheaper then other trailers...similar to Airstreams . As to the comment that there are cheaper trailers of the same quality....good luck with that...most RV trailers are pieces of crap.
They are pricey but still at par with the rest of the industry. In the long run we ended up saving money by not having to buy another vehicle to tow and in storage! Thanks for watching !
What a piece of junk way to expensive windows are awkward and the curtains are ridiculous. Washroom is a no go and the price is ridiculous. Better to buy a pop up trailer.
This is the highest
quality trailer I've ever seen. Here in the U.S. I get tired of the cheap forest river trailers. This has so many features that I have never seen before. My favorite part is all the windows. I love it. I would gladly pay the high price.
The windows are our favourite feature too 😀 Yes, these are high quality made to last trailers. Thank you for the feedback and Thanks for watching!
Still looking for a camper. I like Safari Condo, InTech and even some fiberglass ones. Loved your video as it was a no nosense walk through coverage answering all the questions.
Glad you enjoyed it 😀 Best of luck with your search. Thanks for watching!
Both videos were excellent! I’m considering upgrading from my Leesurelite to a small trailer, and even if I can’t swing this one there were lots of helpful hints on what to look for so thanks!
We are so glad it was helpful! Thank you for the positive feedback and Thanks for watching!
I do love the windows expanding the camper, you presented good easons, of choosing this camper, I do think RV manufacturers should not take advantage of people who need smaller campers by pricing it out of reasonable range
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for a great video. We bought our R1723 in 2020, and have enjoyed many trips so far. I really like your modification to put memory foam atop each cushion and cover with vinyl...I'm going to look into doing same. Currently, we bring two 2" latex foam rolls for sleeping, but your approach is more convenient over the long haul.
Yes the cushion covers make it convenient and easy. Glad you're enjoying the trailer & thanks for watching.
Hi Dave, I have similar question to my previous post... I'd be curious what you pull your R1723 with? Plus then, if you've calculated your "normal everyday" MPGs verses your "trailer pulling" fuel economy MPGs calculated at the pump without relying on the vehicles computer? Thanks!
Thanks very much for this. We have our R1723 on order, due 3rd Q next year! (2024). So we've been on the waitlist nearly 2 years already. We live on the west coast of the US, so if they can no longer ship to Colorado, it may kill the deal for us. (We are just not up for a 6,000 mile round trip drive to pick it up. That's 90 hours of driving!) Otherwise, we are super excited to have this trailer. Your walkthrough and tips are very helpful. Thanks again.
It's always great to hear from other people who are joining the Alto family 😀 We hope that you get your trailer soon and enjoy it as much as we enjoy ours. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for all the wonderful information!
You are so welcome!
Very in depth
Thanks
Thanks for watching!
Love the trailer!
😃👍
Thank you! Awesome video, very helpful. Are there also awning or attachable screened in options?
You can add the Pahaque awning to the already existing keder rail on the Alto R1723. Thanks for watching!
Totally agree with your reasons for buying it. We bought a used T@B 400 for many of the same reasons as you (just as the pandemic hit DOH!). Our only concern is the tongue weight, as it pushes the upper limit for our vehicle (2016 Kia Sorento V6). One question you may have not seen, and may have answered in a later video, is gas mileage with your Venza.
Best average for a trip is 15.4 l/100 km or 15.3 US mpg (secondary highways/lower speeds), worst is around 19.5 l/100 km or 12 US mpg (freeway/headwind/higher speeds). Average on trip from Toronto to Waterton/Banff/Jasper in the Rockies was 16.4 l/100 km or 14.3 US mpg (which includes a fair bit of driving without the trailer). By far and away the worst gas mileage was in Ontario on the Alberta trip, it was much better in the prairies and mountains.
@@DayHikerFromTheSix - That sounds about right for us too. As soon as you hit the flat, less gas is used. Hills are the killer for gas mileage.
We have been averaging 15 - 17l/100km @100kph because of where we have travelled (Oregon coast, various lakes in Alberta). We have found that going to one of our favourite lakes, which is well into the prairie, takes less gas if we go via the Trans-Canada, as it has less hills than the back roads. Our last trip we were getting about 13l/100km. Still a tough adjustment when your regular highway gas mileage is around 7.5l/100km.
Wonderful tips thank you! This video was informative 👌 Watching from Wisconsin USA and your new subscriber 😊
Hi 👋 to Wisconsin. Thanks so much for subscribing!
Very helpful and informative!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
I love the wanna be kiwi shirt dude ❤
We've been to New Zealand and absolutely fell in love 😀Would love to go back one day, so much to explore!! Thanks for watching!
I love the windows, but I have a logistical question. When is the optimal time to take showers inside your trailer? I’m assuming that you wait until you have the window shades attached and before you remove them in the morning, correct?
We can take a shower anytime we want 😀 the trailer has blackout curtains all around and the shower curtain itself is blackout. Thanks for watching!
Aliner, or A Frame in general might be a good option for people that have a 3500lb limit for towing.
Yes, those are great options. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the follow up!!!
Let me know when you’re ready to sell!!! Lol
Not planning to anytime soon 😉
Yeah I figured as much 👍
Perfect Q&A, thank you! Do you store it under a tarp at home since it sits outside? Also, is it easy to winterize?
These are pretty easy to winterize, we did it ourselves last year and will do it again soon! Although we don't have one, Safari Condo does sell the covers for this model. Thanks for watching!
I just got a quote from Abbotsford dealer…..R1723 offered at $63,400 USD. Insane
I’ve heard the US pricing has changed (I.e. gone up). Hope that’s at least for one fully optioned!
Thanks for the video! When the roof is up, did you have any water infiltration? Is the junction at the side wall and the uppper windows have a good seal ? Thanks
We are in our third season and have never had a leak. So far so good. Thanks for watching!
We think we saw your trailer at Macgregor PP on July 1st… the trailer looked so cute we were looking into it then found your TH-cam channel… so me and my friends we wonder if it was you and your wife that we saw the other day ☺️
Yup that was us. We loved McGregor point, but we’re on to the next one. Thanks for watching. Feel free to say hi if you see us again!
Your car looks pretty similar to mine but mine can only do up to 1000 lb. Wondering what kind of car you have it's I'm looking for a car that can tow a small trailer. And thank you for sharing video I'm absolutely in love with this trailer.
We have a 2016 Venza V6. They don’t make them anymore, but here in Canada at least, they are a great value on the used car market! Thanks for watching!
2 questions: is the glass plexiglas? Concern about hail. Also what is total length w/ towbar , want to know if I can get it in my garage. Thanks!!
It's a combination of automotive glass and European style RV glass and hail is not a concern. Our Alto is 17' 3". Thanks for watching!
Would you still go for the R1723 vs the 1713? Do you find the indoor shower useful enough to bother?
We do love our R1723 and yes we find the indoor shower very useful, specifically for the occasional boondocking 😀 Thanks for watching!
@@DayHikerFromTheSix thanks for the info!
I amconsidering this trailer to fi into garage, What is the exact length (17 ft include tongue length ?) ? length of tongue ? also exact height of trailer (roof closed). ma garage height is so close.
It depends. The new model has a new frame, and it’s taller than ours. We have 15” tires which also add height compared to the 13” tires. Your best approach is to ID the year and options you want, and then you can get the measurements you need. For the brand new model, all specs are on the Safari Condo website, including height with the roof closed and nose lowered.
We have the same weight limitations with our Tesla Model Y. ALiners work perfect for weight, but they don’t have the shower/toilet or the bed size.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for your work on the videos! 👍 So, I was wondering if you've calculated your "normal everyday" verses your "trailer pulling" fuel economy MPG calculated at the pump without relying on the Toyota Trip Computer? Thanks again ever so much... continued blessings!
Normal everyday highway mileage is between 8.7 and 9.5 l/100 km calculated at the pump, depending on speed/wind/terrain. Towing ranges from 14 to 18.8 depending on the same factors. I averaged 16.5 (trip meter number) on a trip out to Banff with the trailer with an average speed of 100 km/h. That was with car and trailer both near max payload. Wind was the main factor changing it from day to day. The trip meter is marginally optimistic…if I get 8.7 on the meter, the pump calculation would be 8.8.
I’m currently (few years) camping at Turkey Point,tents only but would love to own a camping trailer…eh I already own F150 …
We are very happy with ours 😀 Thanks for watching!
Have you experienced any issues at all? like leaks between the gaps?
Kind of concern about the lifting mechanism would fail at certain point.
Any rubber seal maintenance work required?
Never had any leaks. I did have to replace one of the gaskets, but even with it torn it didn’t leak. The trailer has been in production for a long time and the roof design, while mot intuitive, is proven. Thanks for watching!
@@DayHikerFromTheSix this is very encouraging information! how does it hold up in minus thirties Canadian winter?
Definitely a three season camper! The metal walls get darn cold when it’s below freezing.
awesome trailer if your looking for a medium size camper
Thanks for watching!
You never pay full price!! Always knock off 20%... As a former Airstream owner, I am seriously considering buying this one
We absolutely love it 😀 we have no regrets!! Thanks for watching!
Do you find it hard to get in your garage? I’ve read people having to switch tires or severely deflate the tires to get it in.
Also, would you still get the shower and toilet with what you know now? Showering primarily in campground bathrooms etc.
Yes, we have to switch to smaller rims & tires (I'm going to buy them this fall) or run the Michelins completely flat to roll it into the garage, and the tongue has to sit on a low profile floor jack. But our garage door has a bit of sag and the opening is smaller than standard. I think in a newer, more standard sized garage it wouldn't be so challenging.
We bought our Alto during Covid and we chose this model with the toilet/shower option mainly because of it, but yes we would still choose it.
Altos do tend to hold they are value better than most travel trailers. However, as of the summer 2023, used Altos may be listed with the hope of recovering the original cost, but they are not selling at that price. Frenzied Alto buying fever is a thing of the past. Buyers seeking used Alto expect to pay a lower price due to reasonable depreciation. Sellers seeking to recoup their original costs or to make a profit are only deluding themselves in the current market. This is in keeping with the general decline in RV sales in the US today. New RV sales are down 50% in the United States. That number is 65% in Canada. All RV sales have declined, whether used or new. Prices have followed suit.
Resale values are still strong, but definitely not what they were through the height of Covid. I still think it’s in the plus column compared to buying a cheaper metal skin, rubber roof, commodity trailer. But the financial equation works for us due to savings on the tow vehicle, the convenience of storing it at home, and yes-from less of a hit on depreciation.
@@DayHikerFromTheSix I agree. Overall, Alto ownership has cost less than a traditional trailer ownership due to much a lower depreciation rate.
Without even watching the video, I'm going to say, yes. Prices are too high on these things.
Give it watch 😎. We’ll try to convince you otherwise!
I’m same height as you, are you having to hunch over while sitting at the table? You don’t look comfortable in this video
We added vinyl upholstery and it hangs down from the bunk and contacts my head. It's on my list of things to do to somehow fasten the vinyl so it doesn't hang down. Long story short, it's an owner modification that's causing what you see!
Yes. $41k is crazy. This is worth about $15k tops.
It is pricey but this trailer is made to last, there is no wood in the construction to rot. This trailer is all aluminum with 1" thick honeycomb aluminum composite panels including the floor.
Yes, the price is steep. The beauty of this industry is that it has a large variety of trailers for all needs, tastes and budgets. Thanks for watching!
40k........NOT!
😀 Thanks for watching!
Personally I have seen them both but I prefer the 2114 to the 1723. As to the price ... buy it brand new you get to enjoy the wayrranty and eventually the
resale price which is amazing !! So actually...long term ...in many ways they are cheaper then other trailers...similar to Airstreams . As to the comment that there are cheaper trailers of the same quality....good luck with that...most RV trailers are pieces of crap.
Thanks for watching!
Crazy? No completely rediclous! 41k total rip-off. There are plenty of camper's that are better and cheaper.
Thank you for the feedback. Thanks for watching!
Too much $$$
They are pricey but still at par with the rest of the industry. In the long run we ended up saving money by not having to buy another vehicle to tow and in storage! Thanks for watching !
Buddy knows he got ripped off big time wouldn’t pay $10,000 for this abomination.
You won’t be able to get one at the price, especially because demand is so strong. Thanks for watching!
What a piece of junk way to expensive windows are awkward and the curtains are ridiculous. Washroom is a no go and the price is ridiculous. Better to buy a pop up trailer.
We started the process thinking pop-up, and decided this trailer made more sense for us. Thanks for watching!