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blehh dont worry about it, this is just another kind of hyperreal thing, dialogues and conversations are not as clean and fluid as in movies and we just naturally have those repetitive connectors
@@SrCheetoss I actually think it might be a result of contemporary culture leaning more towards enforcing filler words, because they're generally more filler than repetitive connectors I'd say, but this would be due to decreased average attention span and/or narcissism seemingly being on the rise. This alleged rise in narcissism would, hypothetically, lead to a more "rushed" sense of conversation in order to try and keep the other person's attention. The more narcissistic traits a person has, the more you'll probably experience this feeling of being rushed whenever it's your turn to speak during a conversation with them and that much isn't even hypothetical anymore. So I think it's plausible that narcissism, along with many other driving psychological, societal, cultural, philosophical and, last but not least, spiritual factors, could be contributing more than we think to the shifts we perceive in language, which is still one of our biggest tools for communication.
As a 30 year old man in a very stable, loving marriage to a woman I adore… I have to say, seeing the folks younger than me that were born digitally native raising concerns about how this culture and the internet is effecting their social skills and love lives is the only thing that gives me hope that one day we will all look back at this mess like we do cigarettes now. Sure go ahead if you choose, but you can’t say your ignorant to the damage your doing. I’d like that to be the future I live in, and gen Z creators like both of you is what enables me to have that hope. My only advice as someone who likely grabbed one of the last “American Dreams” as they shut the door on it. It takes work. All of it. Every single day. Your house, your marriage, yourself, your kids… all of it takes a lot of work day in and day out to thrive. There is no other option. Take one out of the Buddhist playbook and accept that life itself is suffering. Only then, once you’ve come to terms with that and internalized it, can you wake up and suffer through that work to find all the rest of what life has to offer.
42:50 totally agree. being single, a loner, or fine with yourself is still SO stigmatized and has begun to be looked at as either narcissistic, extreme, or like a strange incel thing. It’s totally ok, and in fact EVERYONE, should learn to be ok with yourself and ok with being alone.
horimiya is an anime that shows a lot of this too. the main couple get together in like the second episode, and have a healthy relationship for the entire show. its absolutely adorable.
listening to this while going through mail as I hear “I hate that tiktok has made me feel the need to listen to videos while doing things” ….. lol same
@@yolandalee4423 i think that is kinda the opposite they were getting at in some points. I do think they echoed the living life not as a means to find love, but also that love doesn’t like just comes to exist in your life. They were kinda advocating against the notion of “passive love”. But maybe I misunderstood that and also it’s nice to critique whatsoever on your input, just a comparison to the podcast, both opinions are valid and have something to gain from.
I love the hesitation Ben had before admitting to using a dating app in the past, really speaks to how society hates the passive love in dating apps but not other circumstances
Being 21, almost 22, and off tiktok for around 2 years now has really put in perspective just how bad the app is for people my age and younger, and it is really hard to accept that. Dating is hard because red flags are now an instant no-go. There is no more working through problems with a partner and growing together, it's just "this is perfect" or "this is awful I can do better." So many beautiful relationships will never come to fruition because people can't put in the work.
Pretty late to this but wanted to add a psychology perspective to this (i am not a psychologist but I am a psych student very interested in this topic). In a lot of psychological and neurological experiments they've demonstrated that love, all forms of love, may be better represented as a motivation (such as hunger, thirst, and sex) instead of an emotion. This is also shown with how a lack of love in childhood leads to many psychological problems, etc. There are also a lot of ties with romantic love and addiction. Additionally, the video Olivia mentioned, the Helen Fisher video, is based on her research that demonstrated how sex and romance use different brain systems so people can be in love but be sexually attracted to other people. However I believe that the whole thing with someone can be in love but sleep with someone else is more about respect, because if you loved your partner, and respected them, you probably wouldn't cheat. Now coming at it from an aroace perspective (that I cannot be very scientific with due to the lack of research). I don't think love, in the way that love in romantic relationships is depicted, is exclusive to romantic love. I think you can have that sort of deep emotional connection with friends or even with one person in a platonic sense. A conversation I had with my dad when coming out to him really opened my mind when I said I didn't think I could ever be married because it seems like you have to approach it romantically. He told me that it starts that way but eventually it morphs into a partnership. And not that you stop loving your partner romantically but it becomes so much more than just that that isn't necesarrily romantic. Some aroace people (or queer people in general) have queer platonic relationships, which is essentially that type of love, the committment and intimacy and connection of romantic relationships in a platonic way. I think love is so much more than just romance and I think if these sorts of relationships were romanticized as much, not only would aromantic/asexual people feel much more accepted, but people with romantic and/or sexual attraction would feel much less pressured reserve all of this intimacy for romance and experience this love with their friends. This makes no sense but oh well.
do u honestly think studying psychology and being a psychology student will give you some added benefit in manipulating people such as gaslighting? XDDDDDD
28:10 I disagree... Someone may be driven differently between their sexual attraction to someone and their emotional love for them. But by cheating on someone, they'd be aware they are emotionally hurting the person quite significantly. And I wouldn't say you could really love anyone if you are willing to inflict that pain upon them.
I guess there are some people that just don't have integrity and can be quite behaviourally impulsive even if they claim they value someone emotionally x( But that's an immature behaviour pattern that haunts those people their entire lives... Not an excuse for the cheating of course, but I have learned to accept and forgive this way for an ex I have, it's like he couldnt help himself.
@@aesha1878 couldn’t help himself is crazy. He made a decision to cheat. I don’t believe when people cheat that it’s an impulse behavior because you’re making a conscious choice to hurt someone knowing that you will destroy the person in the relationship. I understand you said not an excuse for cheating is never impulsive. It’s a choice.
love this crossover! for realistic films about love, i would recomend the Before trilogy. eventhough the first movie focuses on young people falling in love, the latter two focus on aging, dissilusions, falling out of love and working through it. i love those movies.
Culture focussing on falling in love and "highschool romance" is a case of chasing the dragon. Everybidy wants to re experience the initial high again.
10:55 I was not expecting to be called out like that. I'm doing a project for university and this just hit like a punch. Amazing talk btw I love both of your channels!
I feel like theres a common misconception of the metaphor “find/found my other half”. Imo, the phrase seems to reference the halves as two people creating a whole, being a complete team to carry on our animalistic tradition. With that being said, this team cant be considered “whole” or “complete” unless the two halves that make up the team are “whole” themselves. In other words, your other half isnt completing you as a person, theyre completing the both of you as a team.
I think many peoples self-consciousness pollutes the way they interact with the world. I don’t think a system’s perceived inherent flaws necessitate that we comply with such flaws. Instead I have found that authenticity is desirable beyond the superficialities of all of these so called social constructs. I am specifically referring to Sisyphus’ experience using dating apps and the perceived shortcoming of dating apps in general. Yes they encourage superficial interaction and can feel as though they commodify people in as y’all described however nobody is forcing you to go along with all of that. Your experience speaks to the immaturity and messiness of young people who use these apps, their desire for validation, all such things are present in more “natural” dating environments as well. I had similar experiences and as I matured I realized it was because I was not behaving true to myself. Once I figured that out and doubled down on self acceptance and love I could use the apps without feeling bad. I knew what I wanted, to explore the variety of human interactions and ultimately find someone to share my life with. Rejection and disappointment allowed me to hone in on what I wanted in another person and also what I did not want. Self acceptance and knowing what I wanted ultimately allowed me to find someone that I feel truly grateful to have met and can’t wait to share the rest of my life with and yes this was on tinder. Tinder allowed our paths to cross at just the right moment in our lives, otherwise we would’ve never met. After the meeting we did all of the normal things ppl do to get to know each other. Boba and coffee dilates, dinners, activities, etc. I say all this to show that your perspective around dating is more important than the trivial ways you happen upon a person. As the wise Hannah Of Montana once proclaimed “life’s what you make it so let’s make it right”.
These are the two channels I always love to watch and I admire, and I've watched both of their videos about this topic and loved how they expressed their thoughts on it, this is just the perfect collaboration I didn't even expect, and when I saw it I felt really excited ! :) Now after having watched it I can say without hesitation that it's an amazing podcast and I have enjoyed it a lot, love listening to them and their philosophy. Thanks a lot !!
im struggling with loneliness and solitude, but hey, i watched this whole thing and feel a bit better (just binged like 2hs of your videos too) so thanks for that💕💖 ed: finishing this video, i feel a lot better and have questioned a lot of things about life, thanks for that! questioning your beliefs is part of growth
As someone who is most likely asexual with a brother who might be aromantical, the discussions we have had about love have been so strange because we see it completely differently. For me love doesn't involve anything sexual at all. I never automatically view my crush or person I'm dating in a sexual way. When I really like the person, it doesn't nescessarily make me uncomfortable to think like that, but it doesn't come naturally to me. I don't need it. I do, however, feel a real difference between my platonic love for my friends and my romantical love. I mostly Found this out when I realised that I was, in fact, a little bit in love with my best friend. It's easier for me to recognize in my female friendships because they're not 'supposed' to be romantic. (With guys I Often have the opposite problem where I have to figure out whether my feelings may actually just be platonic since my brain assumes that any love for a man is romantic until I get uncomfortable when things get real.) I have really good friends that I get along with great and then I have a friend once in a while where it's just different. The way our interactions feel are different. It's more intens, more important, I think about them more. That's the romantic feeling. I have Often described my perfect relationship as an incredibly deep friendship where I don't mind being physical (mostly because I assumed that that's just how relationships are). It's not just a friendship though. The feelings Involved are slightly different. But for me romantic love and platonic love are extremely closely related. I don't see them as entirely different things, romance is just an extra layer, something deeper, an extension of friendship. My brother on the other hand Sees sexual attraction is the romantic attraction. "How can you love someone if you're not nescessarily sexually attracted to them? What else is there?" These discussions with our dad present are pretty funny because he doesn't understand how we only seem to expirience one of the 2. It's a little frustrating when you're questioning whether you actually love someone since you don't really want to have sex with them. Maybe it's platonic then? But no, you know that it's not. It's a 100% romantic. And it's not that they're not attractive, they're very aesthetically attractive, I just don't expirience sexual attraction like that.
The topic of romantic love is so complex ! I really loved this podcast as both of you are my favorite youtubers. Personnally I've always struggled with separating or distinguishing what makes platonic love different from romantic love. This especially started when some of my friends began dating people, even myself, and we all got so obsessed with our partners that we were forgetting our other relationships. Of course we were teenagers and deeply into following the societal script of what being in love should look like. But when I started valuing my frindships way more, I wanted to know how looks a romantic relationship if you remove the sexual part. I knew that some people could envision sexual attactivities without romance, I used to engage in that as well in the past but seomthing felt wrong. So I've come to the conclusion that to me romance and sex are very linked but sex isn't a necessity to make things romantic. I'm still on my way to finding what exactly romantic love means to me, I've even started to question myself on polyamory over a year ago because I found their philosophy really intriguing and I was agreeing with basically everything I was seeing form this community - hence I did consider myself as part of the community for a while although I'm even questionning that at the moment. But I think asking myself these questions, esepcailly because I'm interested in someone at the moment is really important. Not only because it's what we have deciding with that said person, but because it makes things more intentional, and I think that resonates with the passive vs. active love you guys talked about. Also I do think that people shouldn't subject themselves to painful relationships but I do think that it comes naturally to people. The thing is, and I can only talk from my pov, that when you first start feeling all these feelings and start dating, you clearly have not as much experience as to knowing what you want nor are you necessarily in a place where you have an okay understanding of who you are since this usually starts in adolescence. I do think that if love is an art it requires practice, like Olivia said, that's why it's only normal that at first fallling in love and romantic relationships are difficult. I'm still figuring things out and trying to deconstruct these ideals of love that society has engrained in us (also all the tiktok red flags that used to just be the flaws of people in most cases lol) but this discussion has given me a lot of hope for my path so thanks !
Everybody needs to say the word “like” less. Once I heard it, I couldn’t shift my focus away from it. I’m guilty of it too. I catch myself saying it all the time. It’s hard to change how we speak. Work in progress.
I am a pansexual, polyamorous and stand for polygamy (yeah, I know, the full combo), so this podcast explained a lot of things to me. Like this paradox of cheating and loving-I just never experienced it and I know for sure that I can love more than one person at the same time. And all the times tried to ask other people about it, they couldn't give me a meaningful answer, it was always like “well, it's just how it works, for no particular reason”. To me cheating is the breaking of trust, it is the betrayal, not kissing or having sex. Even though I'm single now, I would absolutely be okay and ever encourage my partner to have another relationship simultaneously, as long as they are open about it. Ofc, I don't need to know everything, but if it makes them happy and it isn't the thing that they are doing behind my back, than hell yeah, go for it! After all, if I love a person, I want them to be happy, and to me it seems ridiculously selfish to assume that you can be a perfect fit for someone and satisfy all of their needs.
I think the pain that comes with your partner having sex with another person is only partially painful because of the sex itself. To get to the point that they sleep with another person, they have to lie to you, hide things from you, and give that thing that you trusted them to keep between youz to another person. We're capable of complex though, so if your partner isn't capable of not cheating on you, that is absolutely an emotional thing too. Emotions don't have to be between them and the one they slept with - it's a betrayal of your emotions, and the attachment that you two have.
hi sisyphus 55 i just want to say thanm you because ive been having a lot of trouble sleeping lately and i always play this podcast to help me fall asleep. this particular topic is intriguing for me, but i somehow always fall asleep as soon as my mind daydreams about the topics that you two talk about.
Hey idk if you guys read the comments, but when you talk about cheating being bad, but sexual love and emotional love are different since they are processed in different parts of the brain, I feel like that would still mean the “part” of their brain that prioritizes sexual attraction is greater than emotional attachment, which is something I wouldn’t want in a partner.
I just found this! Through my many youtube account changes, these two channels remain in my favorites. This is going to be an interesting and deep listen.
Things tend to come back around. More people will realize that they’ll benefit by limiting their screen time, those people will have better lives. We will grow up and raise the next generation to be better
I'm not some professional philosophy-person or anything but a lot of what you talked about really reminds me of nietzche's idea (which I must say I haven't read anything nietzche wrote and it's very likely I might be misunderstanding something) of the sort of good vs. bad morality system and the good vs. evil morality system, and lots of what you said in this video is praising this very Christian concept of legitimizing things that are considered "good" in the good vs. evil morality, for instance an unattractive person willfully deciding that he doesn't want to be in a relationship. And obviously that's completely fair for all the reasons you stated in this video, and I think I agree with you in general, but I did think of one problem with your reasoning: the fact is, that there are people who are lonely and would in fact rather not be lonely, and they could become not lonely if they spent a lot of effort, doing things like taking care of themselves and asking people out. In the morality system you're advocating this person would have a justification for inaction, and would just sit around saying something like "well, I don't care anyways" and would end up being miserable, but if society encouraged him to try better himself then he might be able to stop being lonely, and therefore would be happier. I am obviously aware of the many problems that this type of morality has and am not at all advocating for it, but I heard philosophers like these sorts of highly specific theoretical cases so yeah.
I’m drunk af rn and I’ve just gone home to see my two favourite you tubers are doing a collab someone tell me am I trippin (always waiting to watch until I’m sober so I can fully appreciate)
I enjoy being alone and I live my life outside of most societal norms with few commitments. When I think about finding a romantic relationship, I'm all too aware of these prevalent, capitalistic judgements people make towards potential partners. It's really insecurity and pessimism on my part. I avoid relationships because of the possibility that I would be looked down on for not fitting in. I discount the happiness I could find so that I can feel better about being a loner. I don't fit into the male gender norms that I was ingrained with as I grew up, so I project those expectations onto others.
Apologies sisyphus, just thought you didn't make anymore of these enjoyable podcasts just because they weren't sorted in the podcasts folder, thanks for making more. they're really great
I guess in the end love and relationships are subjective and defining either term is really up to the person. This was really insightful! I will be checking out Olivia’s content too!
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Make another podcast with her it was a banger y’all should have a channel together for pods
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Ben, daddy. It's gonna be alright
thanks so much for having me!! i need to say "like" less lol
it is ok olivia we forgive you
blehh dont worry about it, this is just another kind of hyperreal thing, dialogues and conversations are not as clean and fluid as in movies and we just naturally have those repetitive connectors
We love you, olivia
noo olivia :( i add extra “likes” to my sentences :3
@@SrCheetoss I actually think it might be a result of contemporary culture leaning more towards enforcing filler words, because they're generally more filler than repetitive connectors I'd say, but this would be due to decreased average attention span and/or narcissism seemingly being on the rise. This alleged rise in narcissism would, hypothetically, lead to a more "rushed" sense of conversation in order to try and keep the other person's attention. The more narcissistic traits a person has, the more you'll probably experience this feeling of being rushed whenever it's your turn to speak during a conversation with them and that much isn't even hypothetical anymore. So I think it's plausible that narcissism, along with many other driving psychological, societal, cultural, philosophical and, last but not least, spiritual factors, could be contributing more than we think to the shifts we perceive in language, which is still one of our biggest tools for communication.
oh my god the two of you are some of my favorite content creators on youtube i did not see this podcast coming 😭
NO CUZ SAME OMG-
AAAAAH SAMMEEEEE
Same 😂
lol same
such a coincidence
hearing the two of them laugh and compliment each other is a bit heartwarming
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you should Kay why ess tbh
As a 30 year old man in a very stable, loving marriage to a woman I adore… I have to say, seeing the folks younger than me that were born digitally native raising concerns about how this culture and the internet is effecting their social skills and love lives is the only thing that gives me hope that one day we will all look back at this mess like we do cigarettes now. Sure go ahead if you choose, but you can’t say your ignorant to the damage your doing. I’d like that to be the future I live in, and gen Z creators like both of you is what enables me to have that hope.
My only advice as someone who likely grabbed one of the last “American Dreams” as they shut the door on it. It takes work. All of it. Every single day. Your house, your marriage, yourself, your kids… all of it takes a lot of work day in and day out to thrive. There is no other option. Take one out of the Buddhist playbook and accept that life itself is suffering. Only then, once you’ve come to terms with that and internalized it, can you wake up and suffer through that work to find all the rest of what life has to offer.
damn wise old man, thank you for your advice 🙏
@@popsicle2735 old? lol he's just 30
@@vivvy_0 im almost half that so that means he lived double my lifetime
thank you
Your message is extremely depressing
An unexpected collaboration, a welcome one at that though. Can't wait to listen to it :)
DAUGHTERS
Lol SIMP
Let's hope Alexis watches this. He could learn a lot.
@@titiseetv7830 oh shit fuck em up
Their bodies are open
42:50
totally agree.
being single, a loner, or fine with yourself is still SO stigmatized and has begun to be looked at as either narcissistic, extreme, or like a strange incel thing.
It’s totally ok, and in fact EVERYONE, should learn to be ok with yourself and ok with being alone.
The crossover we didn't know we needed.
Shrek 2 is the only movie i can think of that displays love after falling in love and when problems arise after the happy ending
The "Before Sunrise" series of films shows this brilliantly.
@DJ Barrett what year is the movie from?
@DJ Barrett cheers
@DJ Barrett I was confused because there were several movies and short movies with the same title, and I wanted to watch your recommendation
horimiya is an anime that shows a lot of this too. the main couple get together in like the second episode, and have a healthy relationship for the entire show. its absolutely adorable.
listening to this while going through mail as I hear “I hate that tiktok has made me feel the need to listen to videos while doing things” ….. lol same
me but while working out… pain
Tanner wth are you doing here?
been doing that since like 2015 with youtube tbh
@@hueban1643 Me too...
In the wise word of my mother, you should believe in love as if it's waiting for you but live your life as if it doesn't exist.
@@yolandalee4423 i think that is kinda the opposite they were getting at in some points. I do think they echoed the living life not as a means to find love, but also that love doesn’t like just comes to exist in your life. They were kinda advocating against the notion of “passive love”. But maybe I misunderstood that and also it’s nice to critique whatsoever on your input, just a comparison to the podcast, both opinions are valid and have something to gain from.
Then love really wont exist for you, what a bland life
People now want that microwave love (hot and ready in minutes). They don't want that stove top cooking love ( takes time and effort)
if you don't stir halfawy through, only the food at the top gets hot
@@mirandajatib6794 Lol. So True
However..
Sometimes nothing hits the spot like a nice *hot..* _pocket._ Know what I mean?
@@mirandajatib6794 not if you use a lid. :p
I love the hesitation Ben had before admitting to using a dating app in the past, really speaks to how society hates the passive love in dating apps but not other circumstances
This was not the crossover I was expecting just two days after subscribing to both of you but I’ll take it.
You made this happen 🙏🏾
You were the catalyst
"I'm like a straight dude" ~Sisyphus55
you have been one of the biggest positives in my online life for the last 2 years. thank you for doing your thing and teaching us so much.
Being 21, almost 22, and off tiktok for around 2 years now has really put in perspective just how bad the app is for people my age and younger, and it is really hard to accept that. Dating is hard because red flags are now an instant no-go. There is no more working through problems with a partner and growing together, it's just "this is perfect" or "this is awful I can do better." So many beautiful relationships will never come to fruition because people can't put in the work.
Pretty late to this but wanted to add a psychology perspective to this (i am not a psychologist but I am a psych student very interested in this topic). In a lot of psychological and neurological experiments they've demonstrated that love, all forms of love, may be better represented as a motivation (such as hunger, thirst, and sex) instead of an emotion. This is also shown with how a lack of love in childhood leads to many psychological problems, etc. There are also a lot of ties with romantic love and addiction. Additionally, the video Olivia mentioned, the Helen Fisher video, is based on her research that demonstrated how sex and romance use different brain systems so people can be in love but be sexually attracted to other people. However I believe that the whole thing with someone can be in love but sleep with someone else is more about respect, because if you loved your partner, and respected them, you probably wouldn't cheat.
Now coming at it from an aroace perspective (that I cannot be very scientific with due to the lack of research). I don't think love, in the way that love in romantic relationships is depicted, is exclusive to romantic love. I think you can have that sort of deep emotional connection with friends or even with one person in a platonic sense. A conversation I had with my dad when coming out to him really opened my mind when I said I didn't think I could ever be married because it seems like you have to approach it romantically. He told me that it starts that way but eventually it morphs into a partnership. And not that you stop loving your partner romantically but it becomes so much more than just that that isn't necesarrily romantic. Some aroace people (or queer people in general) have queer platonic relationships, which is essentially that type of love, the committment and intimacy and connection of romantic relationships in a platonic way. I think love is so much more than just romance and I think if these sorts of relationships were romanticized as much, not only would aromantic/asexual people feel much more accepted, but people with romantic and/or sexual attraction would feel much less pressured reserve all of this intimacy for romance and experience this love with their friends.
This makes no sense but oh well.
do u honestly think studying psychology and being a psychology student will give you some added benefit in manipulating people such as gaslighting? XDDDDDD
Kinda want these two to make a podcast together, love these takes.
28:10 I disagree... Someone may be driven differently between their sexual attraction to someone and their emotional love for them. But by cheating on someone, they'd be aware they are emotionally hurting the person quite significantly. And I wouldn't say you could really love anyone if you are willing to inflict that pain upon them.
I guess there are some people that just don't have integrity and can be quite behaviourally impulsive even if they claim they value someone emotionally x( But that's an immature behaviour pattern that haunts those people their entire lives... Not an excuse for the cheating of course, but I have learned to accept and forgive this way for an ex I have, it's like he couldnt help himself.
@@aesha1878 couldn’t help himself is crazy. He made a decision to cheat. I don’t believe when people cheat that it’s an impulse behavior because you’re making a conscious choice to hurt someone knowing that you will destroy the person in the relationship. I understand you said not an excuse for cheating is never impulsive. It’s a choice.
Liked that this didn’t send me into spiraling depression, as some of your content tends to do. More like that please
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lol felt especially after the losing someone you love vid😭
42:30 I should've known OliSUNvia fw the Symposium, God what a great piece on love
Here's a collab I'd have never expected
love this crossover! for realistic films about love, i would recomend the Before trilogy. eventhough the first movie focuses on young people falling in love, the latter two focus on aging, dissilusions, falling out of love and working through it. i love those movies.
I was looking for someone to say that. Those movies capture love perfectly.
just returned from an hour long walk contemplating her video on love. the timing: incredible.
appreciate you mentioning the differences between aromatic and asexual love
Really liked it when they mentioned the parts abt garlics, /j
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I prefer the crisp and clean variety of aromatic love myself, but I’m not opposed to others(except perhaps garlic love) /j
Culture focussing on falling in love and "highschool romance" is a case of chasing the dragon. Everybidy wants to re experience the initial high again.
I love both of these channels because they make me feel smart just listening to them
the collab i never knew i needed!
them laughing together makes me so happy 😭
"But do we know how to make love stay? I can't even think about it. The best I can do is play it day by day."
Loved this!!! Made me think a lot sooo thank you for sharing your convo
10:55 I was not expecting to be called out like that. I'm doing a project for university and this just hit like a punch. Amazing talk btw I love both of your channels!
WHAT TWO OF MY FAVS COLLABED?!? never thought i’d see these two together but i love ittttt
I have been such a fan of you two, I'm so happy to see this collab :D
I feel like theres a common misconception of the metaphor “find/found my other half”. Imo, the phrase seems to reference the halves as two people creating a whole, being a complete team to carry on our animalistic tradition. With that being said, this team cant be considered “whole” or “complete” unless the two halves that make up the team are “whole” themselves. In other words, your other half isnt completing you as a person, theyre completing the both of you as a team.
GOAT’d collab, completely out of left field but I bet there’s a surprising amount of overlap in audiences
The only two phylosophical channels I follow, happy to see the collab 🙏🏻
watched this whole podcast in the background and left not remembering a single thing but your voices
OMG this is the collab i needed but didn’t know i love both your channels!
ARE YOU SERIOUS THESE ARE MY TWO ALL TIME FAVORITE YOURUBERS TOGETHER?!!!? DYING
I have watched some of olisunivia about romanticism and her the desire to be sad but I didn't expect this collab! I am pleasantly suprised :)
the whole “lovers can’t be friends” thing is actually so interesting. i’ve never thought of it like that
bro this is the collab i didnt know I needed wtf
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR A COLLAB LIKE THIS FOR SO LONG YOU GUYS ARE MY FAVORITE
What an amazing duo!
I think many peoples self-consciousness pollutes the way they interact with the world. I don’t think a system’s perceived inherent flaws necessitate that we comply with such flaws. Instead I have found that authenticity is desirable beyond the superficialities of all of these so called social constructs. I am specifically referring to Sisyphus’ experience using dating apps and the perceived shortcoming of dating apps in general. Yes they encourage superficial interaction and can feel as though they commodify people in as y’all described however nobody is forcing you to go along with all of that. Your experience speaks to the immaturity and messiness of young people who use these apps, their desire for validation, all such things are present in more “natural” dating environments as well.
I had similar experiences and as I matured I realized it was because I was not behaving true to myself. Once I figured that out and doubled down on self acceptance and love I could use the apps without feeling bad. I knew what I wanted, to explore the variety of human interactions and ultimately find someone to share my life with. Rejection and disappointment allowed me to hone in on what I wanted in another person and also what I did not want. Self acceptance and knowing what I wanted ultimately allowed me to find someone that I feel truly grateful to have met and can’t wait to share the rest of my life with and yes this was on tinder. Tinder allowed our paths to cross at just the right moment in our lives, otherwise we would’ve never met. After the meeting we did all of the normal things ppl do to get to know each other. Boba and coffee dilates, dinners, activities, etc. I say all this to show that your perspective around dating is more important than the trivial ways you happen upon a person.
As the wise Hannah Of Montana once proclaimed “life’s what you make it so let’s make it right”.
51:06 Yes Olivia! Please never use dating apps for your own good
This is the best thing to happen IN WEEKS IM SO HAPPY
omfgggg 2 of my fave ytbers coming together 😩🙏
These are the two channels I always love to watch and I admire, and I've watched both of their videos about this topic and loved how they expressed their thoughts on it, this is just the perfect collaboration I didn't even expect, and when I saw it I felt really excited ! :) Now after having watched it I can say without hesitation that it's an amazing podcast and I have enjoyed it a lot, love listening to them and their philosophy. Thanks a lot !!
I can't believe my two favourite TH-camrs are working together!
I love this podcast because my two favorite people are together talking ❤️❤️❣️🗣️
im struggling with loneliness and solitude, but hey, i watched this whole thing and feel a bit better (just binged like 2hs of your videos too) so thanks for that💕💖
ed: finishing this video, i feel a lot better and have questioned a lot of things about life, thanks for that! questioning your beliefs is part of growth
I can't believe I never saw this before I love these two so much
I would love for y’all to collab again, this was great
I love how you’re collaborating with my favourite TH-camrs!!
Always enjoyable watching a colab between creators I’ve been watching for awhile. Nice episode.
As someone who is most likely asexual with a brother who might be aromantical, the discussions we have had about love have been so strange because we see it completely differently.
For me love doesn't involve anything sexual at all. I never automatically view my crush or person I'm dating in a sexual way. When I really like the person, it doesn't nescessarily make me uncomfortable to think like that, but it doesn't come naturally to me. I don't need it. I do, however, feel a real difference between my platonic love for my friends and my romantical love. I mostly Found this out when I realised that I was, in fact, a little bit in love with my best friend. It's easier for me to recognize in my female friendships because they're not 'supposed' to be romantic. (With guys I Often have the opposite problem where I have to figure out whether my feelings may actually just be platonic since my brain assumes that any love for a man is romantic until I get uncomfortable when things get real.)
I have really good friends that I get along with great and then I have a friend once in a while where it's just different. The way our interactions feel are different. It's more intens, more important, I think about them more. That's the romantic feeling.
I have Often described my perfect relationship as an incredibly deep friendship where I don't mind being physical (mostly because I assumed that that's just how relationships are). It's not just a friendship though. The feelings Involved are slightly different. But for me romantic love and platonic love are extremely closely related. I don't see them as entirely different things, romance is just an extra layer, something deeper, an extension of friendship.
My brother on the other hand Sees sexual attraction is the romantic attraction. "How can you love someone if you're not nescessarily sexually attracted to them? What else is there?"
These discussions with our dad present are pretty funny because he doesn't understand how we only seem to expirience one of the 2.
It's a little frustrating when you're questioning whether you actually love someone since you don't really want to have sex with them. Maybe it's platonic then? But no, you know that it's not. It's a 100% romantic. And it's not that they're not attractive, they're very aesthetically attractive, I just don't expirience sexual attraction like that.
the two undisputed best creators on the platforms on one video. Hell yeah
it's like seeing two worlds collide i love that
The topic of romantic love is so complex ! I really loved this podcast as both of you are my favorite youtubers. Personnally I've always struggled with separating or distinguishing what makes platonic love different from romantic love. This especially started when some of my friends began dating people, even myself, and we all got so obsessed with our partners that we were forgetting our other relationships. Of course we were teenagers and deeply into following the societal script of what being in love should look like.
But when I started valuing my frindships way more, I wanted to know how looks a romantic relationship if you remove the sexual part. I knew that some people could envision sexual attactivities without romance, I used to engage in that as well in the past but seomthing felt wrong. So I've come to the conclusion that to me romance and sex are very linked but sex isn't a necessity to make things romantic. I'm still on my way to finding what exactly romantic love means to me, I've even started to question myself on polyamory over a year ago because I found their philosophy really intriguing and I was agreeing with basically everything I was seeing form this community - hence I did consider myself as part of the community for a while although I'm even questionning that at the moment.
But I think asking myself these questions, esepcailly because I'm interested in someone at the moment is really important. Not only because it's what we have deciding with that said person, but because it makes things more intentional, and I think that resonates with the passive vs. active love you guys talked about.
Also I do think that people shouldn't subject themselves to painful relationships but I do think that it comes naturally to people. The thing is, and I can only talk from my pov, that when you first start feeling all these feelings and start dating, you clearly have not as much experience as to knowing what you want nor are you necessarily in a place where you have an okay understanding of who you are since this usually starts in adolescence. I do think that if love is an art it requires practice, like Olivia said, that's why it's only normal that at first fallling in love and romantic relationships are difficult.
I'm still figuring things out and trying to deconstruct these ideals of love that society has engrained in us (also all the tiktok red flags that used to just be the flaws of people in most cases lol) but this discussion has given me a lot of hope for my path so thanks !
this is like the coolest collab ever- i know this will be one of my favorite podcast episodes
Everybody needs to say the word “like” less. Once I heard it, I couldn’t shift my focus away from it.
I’m guilty of it too. I catch myself saying it all the time. It’s hard to change how we speak. Work in progress.
I am a pansexual, polyamorous and stand for polygamy (yeah, I know, the full combo), so this podcast explained a lot of things to me. Like this paradox of cheating and loving-I just never experienced it and I know for sure that I can love more than one person at the same time. And all the times tried to ask other people about it, they couldn't give me a meaningful answer, it was always like “well, it's just how it works, for no particular reason”.
To me cheating is the breaking of trust, it is the betrayal, not kissing or having sex. Even though I'm single now, I would absolutely be okay and ever encourage my partner to have another relationship simultaneously, as long as they are open about it. Ofc, I don't need to know everything, but if it makes them happy and it isn't the thing that they are doing behind my back, than hell yeah, go for it! After all, if I love a person, I want them to be happy, and to me it seems ridiculously selfish to assume that you can be a perfect fit for someone and satisfy all of their needs.
I think the pain that comes with your partner having sex with another person is only partially painful because of the sex itself.
To get to the point that they sleep with another person, they have to lie to you, hide things from you, and give that thing that you trusted them to keep between youz to another person. We're capable of complex though, so if your partner isn't capable of not cheating on you, that is absolutely an emotional thing too. Emotions don't have to be between them and the one they slept with - it's a betrayal of your emotions, and the attachment that you two have.
this is the crossover I didn't know I needed!
That talk about "attention span/the TH-cam addiction" really hit home with me.
Yaay! Two of my favourite creators made a podcast about love and relationships!?
This was cool to listen to after having listened to both videos :)))
hi sisyphus 55 i just want to say thanm you because ive been having a lot of trouble sleeping lately and i always play this podcast to help me fall asleep. this particular topic is intriguing for me, but i somehow always fall asleep as soon as my mind daydreams about the topics that you two talk about.
Hey idk if you guys read the comments, but when you talk about cheating being bad, but sexual love and emotional love are different since they are processed in different parts of the brain, I feel like that would still mean the “part” of their brain that prioritizes sexual attraction is greater than emotional attachment, which is something I wouldn’t want in a partner.
I just found this! Through my many youtube account changes, these two channels remain in my favorites. This is going to be an interesting and deep listen.
Things tend to come back around. More people will realize that they’ll benefit by limiting their screen time, those people will have better lives. We will grow up and raise the next generation to be better
I’ve enjoyed her channel since I saw the video about society’s messed up concept of love, this will be a great video.
My two favorite youtubers in one podcast, Nietzsche was wrong Gods not dead.
I'm not some professional philosophy-person or anything but a lot of what you talked about really reminds me of nietzche's idea (which I must say I haven't read anything nietzche wrote and it's very likely I might be misunderstanding something) of the sort of good vs. bad morality system and the good vs. evil morality system, and lots of what you said in this video is praising this very Christian concept of legitimizing things that are considered "good" in the good vs. evil morality, for instance an unattractive person willfully deciding that he doesn't want to be in a relationship. And obviously that's completely fair for all the reasons you stated in this video, and I think I agree with you in general, but I did think of one problem with your reasoning: the fact is, that there are people who are lonely and would in fact rather not be lonely, and they could become not lonely if they spent a lot of effort, doing things like taking care of themselves and asking people out. In the morality system you're advocating this person would have a justification for inaction, and would just sit around saying something like "well, I don't care anyways" and would end up being miserable, but if society encouraged him to try better himself then he might be able to stop being lonely, and therefore would be happier. I am obviously aware of the many problems that this type of morality has and am not at all advocating for it, but I heard philosophers like these sorts of highly specific theoretical cases so yeah.
you should probably read some of Nietzsche's works. They are pretty good
I’m drunk af rn and I’ve just gone home to see my two favourite you tubers are doing a collab someone tell me am I trippin (always waiting to watch until I’m sober so I can fully appreciate)
Who asked
Your mum
Your mum
This is exactly what I needed
Would love to see more Collab content between the two of you, this was amazing
*the two smartest people on the internet talk about more than topical issues*
This was the crossover I needed but never thought would happen
I enjoy being alone and I live my life outside of most societal norms with few commitments. When I think about finding a romantic relationship, I'm all too aware of these prevalent, capitalistic judgements people make towards potential partners. It's really insecurity and pessimism on my part.
I avoid relationships because of the possibility that I would be looked down on for not fitting in. I discount the happiness I could find so that I can feel better about being a loner.
I don't fit into the male gender norms that I was ingrained with as I grew up, so I project those expectations onto others.
10:55
Me: studying and filing my nails while this podcast is playing in the background
Me: *now why would you call me out like that* (O_O)
BROOOOOOOO THE TWO GOATS COLLAB?????? FUCK YEAH
You guys should collaborate some more! Loved the dynamic and well thought ideas presented
The Collab of a lifetime ✨
i think bollywood is this respect is just still better when it comes to epic roms or romcoms in general
i love both of ur vids but i never knew i needed this collab omg!
The tension in the air
i'd love for y'all to talk about Amatonormativity
also i think more ppl should talk abt queerplatonic relationships!
I love these discussions! Amazing timing thank you!!
You two are the perfect TH-camr combo 🥰
I never knew that this podcast existed, such a joy to find and listen.
Apologies sisyphus, just thought you didn't make anymore of these enjoyable podcasts just because they weren't sorted in the podcasts folder, thanks for making more. they're really great
I guess in the end love and relationships are subjective and defining either term is really up to the person. This was really insightful! I will be checking out Olivia’s content too!
My favourite youtubers in one video. didn’t expect it but i’m happy nonetheless
She got my man all giggling and shit 😂
Gracias, this was a great podcast to listen to right before work.
Love isn't inclusive as many will never experience the healthy side of it, but I wouldn't make it an issue of preference.