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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ค. 2024
- Sonic Heroes Cut and Unused Content, Differences, Test Stages, Betas, Demos, Prototypes, Trivia and Secrets
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Sources: pastebin.com/JCbzy35G
Special thanks to:
@Cybershell13 for coming up with the video and title idea
@sewer56lol for providing research, documentation and tons of help
@MainMemory for providing research
@WindiiGitlord for providing research and translation work
@brandondorfraguz6859 for providing research and footage
@RaphaelDrewBoltman for providing research and tons of help
@igorseabra4 for providing research
@TetraFan1000 for providing research and documentation
@Shadowth117 for providing documentation
@OKeijiDragon for providing footage
@Cyberman65 for providing footage
@SkyeWeeb for providing help
@PixelTheRetro for providing help
@Dark_0verlord for creating the Heroes Iceberg (helped with trivia)
All TCRF / Sonic Retro / Sonic Wiki / Hidden Palace contributors...
...and everyone else not mentioned but in the intro credits or StH / Heroes Hacking Central, thanks!
10.13 Footage: • Sonic Heroes 10.13 Bui...
Heroes Iceberg: icebergcharts.com/i/Sonic_Heroes
Music:
Sonic 30th Anniversary Symphony - Chao Garden Intermission
Sonic Heroes - Battle: City Area
Sonic Heroes - Casino Park
Sonic Heroes - Frog Forest
Sonic Heroes - Grand Metropolis
Sonic Heroes - Mystic Mansion
Sonic Heroes - Ocean Palace
Sonic Heroes - Power Plant
Sonic Heroes - Seaside Hill
Sonic Heroes - Sonic Heroes
Sonic Heroes - Special Stage (Bonus Challenge)
Sonic Heroes - System Screen (2P VS Menu)
Sonic Heroes - System Screen: Select
0:00 - Intro
1:46 - Cut Content
22:43 - Betas & Trailers (Intro)
23:06 - E3 Demo
46:43 - XBOX Alpha
49:17 - PS2 9.28
1:02:03 - GC 10.8
1:19:02 - GC 10.13
1:20:11 - Trial Version (MK:DD!! Demo)
1:21:59 - NPDP Prototypes
1:25:55 - GC 11.18
1:26:25 - Trailers
1:29:45 - Concept Art
1:32:17 - Trivia
1:53:26 - Outro and Important Info - เกม
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The main themes being gibberish is actually a common thing in musical production, just to get a feel for the rhythm before you actually write lyrics. That would make this sonic heroes rendition a VERY early one
It's also a way songwriters come up with lyrics. They skat to the song and find syllables which give them ideas for words
Yep Audio is also one of the last things Developers worry about during game development. So stuff like this was Used to give Developers some placeholder music so they can plan for stuff like Cutscene music music cues etc.
8:47 I had no idea Espio was even singing, let alone that he was trying this hard🤣 I always thought he was just stoically going along with his bros' shenanigans, but this makes it SO much better
The ruff draft of the main theme is essentially what the song sounds like to non English speakers.
it would be funny to do a vocal isolation on it lmao
for some wierd fucking reason
@@gelse6037I think it was him scatting. Which is something singers do to get a feel for a song, still really funny though lmao 😂
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This is what everyday life is like for me with my audio processing disorder.
As the self-proclaimed #1 Sonic Heroes fan and the creator of the Sonic Heroes Iceberg Chart, I thank you for your services. There were things here that not even I knew about, despite researching Sonic Heroes for over 2 years now. From the Purple and Blue Unidus Variants, to the Christmas Level, to the Swing Pole Object, to the Egg Hermit Crab and Egg Sea Anemone, to finally knowing what Green Thunder and the Prototype Alligator look like. Sonic Heroes really is the gift that keeps on giving.
I think I used your chart for a lot of the trivia, but I didn't know you were the one who made it (I used an "iceberg website" specifically, which doesn't have any credits I don't think), so thank you! :)
@@Cifesk Well I'm honoured that my Iceberg Chart was able to help you find info. It's funny; my Iceberg Chart helped you find info for your video, and now I'm using your video to update my Iceberg Chart. I also added this video as an Explainer Video on my Iceberg Chart.
Just seen it; and yeah, at the bottom there's credit. I'll add you to the description. Thank you!
I'm pretty sure the "unused" texture for the Last Story in the story select is just the texture that appears when you try to select the last story without having all emeralds.
You are correct. That grayed out Neo Metal Sonic texture/render appears in game if you select the Last Story without having all seven of the Chaos Emeralds.
the invisible line is for metal overlord when he uses chaos control to disappar. This is a different use from the time stop he would use. This is a rare move you often beat him before seeing him use it
Sonic heroes: re-doilus video
Bro, i LOVE the Doilus Stage
I have no idea why doilus has gotten so stuck into our heads. It was a quick, one-off joke, yet here we all are. I have permanently associated these two words together.
As someone who loves the character interactions in the game, it's quite a shame that some voice lines and concepts ended up being scrapped. This game deserves a remake.
8:46 BRO THERE IS NO WAY THAT IS ESPIOS LINE IN THE TEAM ULTIMATE STOP GASLIGHTING ME 🤣
1:10:31 this is actually the same as the final game, Jun’ichi speaks English here and the subtitles are reflecting that.
The spacing is due to the font being Full Width for the Japanese.
in the game Shadow the Hedgehog if you wait around 8 minutes in the final boss,Eggman reveals that Shadow is not other than the SA2 Shadow. One of Eggman's robot saved him from dying. He just copied him and made several robots-clones after hence why he was in a capsule in the opening of Heroes.
Who needs school when you can watch a 2 hour video on cut content of sonic heroes?
School should just be Sonic Heroes cut content
@@AllStarKingD On god
Tails scratching his ass made my year
9:28 Espio said the thing! 😱
I wish I could see how the initial team roster for the prototype Sonic Heroes would have played out.
51:42 Cream, Tails, and Big all look like they had their souls taken out of them. Big especially looks like some Sonic.EXE type stuff
Wheel A and Wheel B look like they'd be put together to create a minecart.
Sonic Heroes is one of my favorite 3D Sonic games and the Chaos Emerald Special Stage music is my jam.
Absolutely loved this! I really liked that early version of Lost Jungle, I wish that was left in. And that glitch to gain more height while in the Fly formation was my favorite, I discovered it on my own and used it when I could lol
Shame we never got that Xmas level. Thank you for making such an informative video! I especially love when you say "for some fcking reason" about things that really make no sense. XD
33:40
What I can theorize is that they originally wanted the zones to be more similar too each other (Like potentially having the same name with act numbers: Seaside Hill Act 1 & 2), before deciding to give the two levels more distinct identities.
Sea Gate is clearly based on Seaside Hill from the way it sounds.
Finally, it's Heroin' time.
Someone should make a Sonic Heroes: Fixed edition.
thank you for another great video!! especially appreciate you pointing out the part about rouge’s wink and maekawa’s tweet about it. it’s something that really disappointed me when i first learned about it, so i hope more people can imagine that part actually playing out in the cutscene…
also man i will never get over how we almost got a christmas-themed level. to think what could have been… but if having it meant iizuka would’ve actually died from overwork then i’m glad it was scrapped 😭
The unused badnik is called an Orbinaut
They’re only called that in the classic games. They got renamed in the 3D games.
1:11:30 you mean to tell me, that the most impressive roar in video game history (imo) is done by a HUMAN???
they really made tails go from saying "shit" every time he kicks sonic or knuckles to saying "gay" instead
I think you’re wrong! It’s the opposite of what you saying to tails and knuckles
Don't know if it's just me but the unfiltered Metal voice sounds more scary 🤣
1 HOUR?! Almost 2 HOURS?!?! Wow, alot of effort must've gone in to this video!
There’s so few detailed documentation on Sonic Heroes and its cut content and development builds. Glad to see such scattered information finally receive the attention it deserves.
1:50:25 I’m surprised some people don’t know, but yes the Shadow from Heroes onward is the same Shadow from SA2. It’s explained after spending 9 MINUTES in the final boss battle of Shadow the Hedgehog so I could see how some could miss this information.
Can you elaborate 🤔? So we have definitive proof that he isn’t an android?
@@chillg4mer watch this video. It’s the dialogue where Eggman explains that he is the same Shadow from Sonic Adventure 2. th-cam.com/video/O2CmPf6Cr_c/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1F4ZSBAbzE5Fzquw
@@chillg4mer Eggman tells him over the radio during the fight that one of his robots saved him and that he’s the original. The Shadow Androids are based off of the real Shadow.
@@chillg4mer yes. Shadow is not an Android.
Leaving a comment for the algorithm, this video is really well made and this channel is criminally underrated.
I loved the video, I also love the shameless use of the CyberShell bonus videos trope lmao. Subbed
Cybershell would have done this in 2065. Thanks for doing God's work
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42:22 These are actually Omochao's Japanese voice clips straight from Adventure 2
I like how in the early gamepay, when knuckles jumps it is a combination of all 3 of them in a singular big ball, instead of seperated like in the final. Also the animations are different and ot seemed knuckles fist was going to be a projectile. Super neat!
I really wish they kept the voice lines as they add a lot of character and would make the jouney more fun and engaging to the player. I really like the check-point pickup lines as they leave a lot of room open for imagination -- like Sonic got kidnapped but defeated the robot and found a different route to the checkpoint. Hopefully someone mods these unique differences in!
the game of my childhood. i absolutely loved watching this video. it's crazy, how much cut content could be restored/found!
The Team Rose beta goal rings are also in the final game, but most people overlook that.
originally, i wrote a little comment about how glad I was that such a video had appeared, but its not enough i guess, so I want to write a little more. because when i was a kid this was my first game on pc. And after a while I couldn't believe that this game was so empty and had no hidden content or if someone finds something intersting it was a pretty poor quality, but ur vid changed everything and i finally got what I always wanted to see, thanks a lot!!
"this video is for those of you who are too lazy to do the research yourselves"
I'm being personally attacked and called out lmao
Such an underrated channel, I love all of these bonus vids
Edit: 56:41 this interaction between sonic and eggman is funny af
Videos this long and good are why I still come to TH-cam
Woaaah I remember fantasizing about a debug mode that let you place objects when I was a little kid, just like the classic games’ debug mode. This does make me feel a bit funny now… Great job on the video! One of my favorite games and it forever will be!
1:29:54 Pretty sure this is freezing him, not blowing or sucking him in, going by the texturing and sparkle effects.
These videos are so good. They’ve been very entertaining to listen to while I grind the Chao garden for 180 emblems. I hope you keeping making them, man.
These videos are always perfect for me to fall asleep too, then i rewatch them through the day while playing video games too. I love them
this video is really special. this whole channel is actually, long form sonic content gives me life.
It's so odd to me that the PS2 version has lower resolution textures while the GameCube version has the Xbox's high resolution textures. Also they all have different water with the GameCube water looking more pleasing while the Xbox water looks similar but technically more advanced looking due to the Xbox's extra horse power and relatively insane combined memory.
its a better day when Cifesk been a fan for a while now and im lovin the uploads keep it up man! road to 5k!!
The early version of casino parks ost sounds so good I wish they kept it like that
I really enjoyed your take on Sonic Adventure's cut content. Really enjoyed watching this one as well! 😇
This channel is so underrated.
Keep it up pal You're doing amazing.
Thank you so much :)
*Bro, you never disappoints with these videos.* Let's freaking go 🙌
This was a chonky boy! Thank you for documenting all this
I for 1 hope this isn't "definitive" lol. I want to know any bit more that can be found like that guy who couldn't download everythin since the place he got it from closed off before that. I love that u added that stuff Windii found especially the stuff where the animators literally jus put a middle finger to the ppl who they were hired to do a certain job for & chose to arbitrarily choose wut they wouldn't put in cus "they didn't get it". U were asked to do somethin u're bein paid for so jus do it, u shouldn't jus be able to go "nah imma do my own thing" jus cus animatin A WINK didn't make sense to u. ONE SMALL GESTURE U COULDN'T DO, REALLY!?
Movin on tho this was really cool to C all the little missin bits & funny stuff even as soon as a few days back. Seein this updated version was great & I'm excited for the others that shall get this treatment
For now it is, since there's nothing new I haven't covered. That story I told about that French server seems to everything that's known about it
Finally we got that Sonic 2 Bonus video. (SA2 edition) /j
Just realized this video came out on my birthday. Fitting for what was the first Sonic game I ever played. I still love Heroes to this day, warts and all, so seeing all this prototype info in one video is nice.
181 keys 💀
The early Battle: City Area music sounds like Splatoon 3 lobby music lol
I’ve been waiting for this baby for a while! Still can’t wait for the remakes of your Adventure videos, now that will be fun!
SA1 still holds up pretty well (I won't remake it soon most likely), but yeah SA2 does need that treatment ;)
Thanks!
1:40:59 Seems like even the devs hated charmy XD
Incredible, simply, INCREDIBLE!
1:20:00 hm.. that portuguese sentence made my brain "disable the english mode" and i stoped understanding what was bein said wtffff kkkkkkkkkkkk
I remember watching the prototype version of the Sonic Heroes Opening and the prototype version of Team Dark's intro cutscene from Sonic Mega Collection Plus. I also remember being confused and laughed at the gibberish in the background @18:59.
Ganda Tuga, bom vídeo zé, gostei bastante!
This is a good video and I am excited about the 06 remastered video
This might as well be a feature length movie. You never disappoint 👌
26:04
These look a lot like the platforms on Soace Colony arc or the ones Eggman and Tails stands on in an elevator sequence.
I'm only 20 minutes in and loving this so far. I was 10 when this game came out, and even being a huge Sonic fan by that point (Played through the MegaDrive and Dreamcast games), this game was the first time I truly began to feel awkward as a sonic fan. Yeah, some of the Dreamcast dialogue was a bit weird, BUT THIS. The constant talking and stupid writing choices ("Look at all those Eggman's robots") felt cringe-inducing and it was the first of many times I actually felt embarrassed playing Sonic games in front of family or friends. I love the Sonic games, but this game was the first time that it was obviously aimed for kids and that I was growing up.
I remember the first time playing this though. My parents had divorced and I spent weekends with my dad. He rented the game from Blockbuster that weekend for me. I spent the whole weekend playing it. By Sunday evening, I burst into tears, realising I'd wasted the entire weekend when I was meant to be spending it with my dad. He passed away March of 2022. He was the reason why I became and still am a Sonic fan to this day.
0 seconds in and I dropped a like. Amazing work and composition, please release thousands more videos.
Thank you so much
Watching this and seeing at the start that one of the games you did before and are planning on redoing is 06, and uhh...
There's a LOTTT of unused stuff that's not documented online and stuff, I feel like. Me and other 06 modders have been sorta hacking away at trying to get things all figured out, so whenever you get around to do that, feel free to reach other, I guess lol
Anyway, I LOVVVEEEE cut content stuff, so this is a treat and a half
Hey, I've seen you interact with me on Twitter a few times. Can you DM me so we can talk more about it? I'd love if you could show me this unused content not documented online :) (I tried to send you a DM but it says I need some sort of verification from you)
Actually the early main theme wasn't really gibberish anyway, it just hard to know what they say. Apparently there a guy who did hearing out the entire lyrics, so here it is:
I never wanted you to find
Born in love to all too light
La to La to leave in love
And let the world, Oh get the light!
Never where I been in a while
All the way you open wide
That I
I live so long
So live so long
Don't live a lie!
Found it, Badum Baba dum
Found it, Ba daa ba daa
Found it, Ba dum dum da dum
Ooooh oh oh ohhhh!
SONIC HEROES!
SONIC HEROES!
I WILL BE LOVIN THIS SOOOONG TONIGHT!
Credit to DIVELOSTMIND (TH-cam channel)
21:57
best thing i’ve seen all day
1:11:48 actually this line is present in the Final GC version I’m not sure about the others but definitely not in PC. It is said right after the team enters the tunnel train section in Bullet station.😅🤓
hi I'm in the video
I think I've credited you in every single one 😭😭😭😭
Based Windii
you can actually hit the frogs in the final which makes them leave early. it's possible that the animation for the frog was to accompany this originally.
should probably mention the prototype casino park is on the official soundtrack as a bonus track. That's what TCRF was referring to regarding the "final soundtrack"
I honestly kinda like Rouge’s outfit from the concept render
Wheres the acompanying playthrough in 360p from 10 years ago? Cant have a bonus video without one of those first. Good video though
1:24:26
I wish they kept this as a hidden feature for the final build. As we haven’t seen D-bug mode since the Genesis games at the time.
the early casino park version is so nice, the final instruments r kinda grating
1:44:09
Wait, this was the most well known one?
I thought it was the first two or three you mentioned earlier that were the most famous.
I never see anyone talk about this glitch in comparison, tbh.
I completely forgot it even existed, lol.
Have to leave a comment to support the homie!
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Love sonic heroes. Such an upbeat and vibrant game
Would you be interested in doing Shadow the Hedgehog with unused content?
1:28:24
I think the reseal why they have no hud is only done for trailer purposes.
Most likely, yeah. Hoped it wouldn't be the case so we could see an early HUD
The early City battle theme sounds like the beginning of Papu Papu's CB theme
Shadow the hedgehog next please!
In regards to the bobsled control lines: I don’t think the order characters were thrown off was random, I think it was originally meant to be Speed > Flight > Power because:
A.) That’s the general order characters are referred to in just about every other circumstance.
B.) The power character contributes the least to the bobseld controls, so having them being thrown off resulting in the loss of a life would give them a stronger presence. “Lose speed” > “Lose movement option” > “Lose life” feels like a much more natural progression of penalties than “Lose speed” > “Lose nothing” > “Lose life”
As for why it was changed?
Think about how you’ll take 99% of damage on the bobsled.
*Most* hazards in bobsled sections require you jump over them. If you lost your ability to jump, it would just become a waiting game as you approach the next obstacle. Switching flight and power around makes the bobseld infinitely less unfair in that regard.
Pretty golden!😄👌💙
P.S. What I found crazy about the 9.28 prototype and the Mario Kart: Double Dash!! Bonus Disc demo respectively was the fact that almost the entire voice clips of Omega were present on the disc, including the unused ones.
4:47 is that really unused? I recall seeing this "powered down" version of Neo Metal Sonic in place of the "powered up" version on the story select screen in the Gamecube and PC versions when I beat all four teams but failed to collect all Emeralds.
Turns out it isn't, yeah, someone pointed it out to me
I never pray sonic heroes, but I heard about it and it’s pretty good but it’s kind of is between what we could’ve got for sonic adventure three but I don’t think it’s the sonic adventure three LS white Sega would actually make sonic adventure three with high-quality graphics and stuff which is probably what they’re planning on doing it some fix point
my goat dropped another banger
The early versions of some of the songs have a Generations vibe to them
Are you the same guy who does the rct2 vids(marcel vos)? Very informative and in depth and I love it. Brilliant video
Yo nice pfp dude 👍🏻
56:42 The Tekken effect.
There’s a question that I haven’t asked before…how did you managed to play sonic heroes game cube version on widescreen 16:9 aspect ratio? Cause I’m stuck on 4:3 instead
1:27:19 Some animations are half finish and/or are edited otherwise.
Sonic high five Tails with his two hands than the final and when freezing looks off.
Tails high five with his 2 hands than the final and his animation finish way earlier than others.
Knuckles stay the same.
Shadow stay the same but stiffer and looking at you instead of looking off the camera.
Rouge stay the same but stiffer at the end of her animation.
Espio fist bump Charmy instead of ignoring him before posing.
Vector stay the same but stiffer with late left arm animations at the end.
Charmy is fist bump Espio instead of simply showing himself.
Amy stay the same but peace way earlier than final.
Cream stay the same but lightly stiffer.
Big is using his umbrella to land on the stage instead of dropping out of nowhere.
Cheese stay the same but a bit faster than final.
Very nice
awesome
estamos tão de volta
GRRAAHHH