Power Wagon and Tremor are great names. But if Chevy were to make an off-road package for the 2500 HD, what should it be called? Read our full comparison here: www.edmunds.com/truck/articles/ford-tremor-vs-ram-power-wagon/
Agree on 7.3 gas completely. Today’s diesels engines(while insanely powered) are unreliable, overpriced, and will wear out prematurely. Still a lot of great info for individual applications regardless of engine. To each his own, and both cool trucks. Love seeing the pushrod V8 prevail
They never entered it, GM to scared to throw it's hat into the heavy-duty offroad truck battle they took forever getting into the offroad truck segment in general ( and RAM has had only the Power Wagon forever, TRX is still a ways off)
@Jack njones Not wanting to get into a gas engine debate. Original reply was meant to point out that the comparison is not valid since they compared a diesel truck to a gas truck in vastly different trims. Compare two gas trims for fucks sake. Extra bonus if they are at least close in trim level. These two trucks may as well be from different planets from a comparison standpoint.
Correction: the Ford DOES have a locking rear differential, it comes standard with a Tremor or FX4 package. You pull on the 4-wheel drive knob and it locks the rear diff (there's literally a diagram of it right next to the knob). It's a real locker, not a limited slip. #TheMoreYouKnow
The 7.3 tremor is an entirely different truck, the power stroke truck is really heavy. It compares to offroading a cummins ram the 800 pounds less on the front axle is alot
1. People who buy the Superduty (especially with the diesel) are wanting to do a fair amount of hauling and pulling. The 4 grand Tremor up grade is a small price to make your truck more versatile. 2. People looking to do a fair amount of off-roading and little or lite hauling will go for the Raptor. 3. I've owned one Dodge truck (bought new) NEVER AGAIN.
I owned a Ford that burned to the ground. one of its multi million famous Fire recalls. On my second Ram will never buy or park a ford close to work or home.
I didn’t see any portion of the video where the RAM did anything that the Tremor didn’t do. In fact the Tremor looked more capable in that video than the Pw.
I bought a powerwagon since I dont do much towing. We do more family roadtrips where camp or airbnb and then use the truck to go into destinations not reachable to most. The truck is spacious, rides comfortably, and has all the tech inside and out that we need. The price I pay is 10MPG and current gas prices. But that's why we call em smiles per gallon in this community.
Id take that tremor all day it’s the best of both worlds. Off road capability, huge power and monster towing. Just the fact you can take a factory f250diesel to these extremes is fricken awesome.
It seems like the tremor only finished second based on price. The platinum I priced out was $73k. All that tech with trail control and cameras is on my tremor that I ordered for $60k. As for rock crawling the approach departure breakover on the big trucks will stop the trail far before the need of a sway disconnect.
I have done many trails in the Power Wagon and have used the sway bar disconnect for a good number of them. Added 35" tires to the Power Wagon and solved some of the ground clearance problems. I wish it could haul/tow more. For trails it has been a surprise to what it can do. Will be adding rock rails and a better rear bumper. Took them both out on a trail following some jeeps.
@@eighteennakedcowboys the tremor handled everything the Ram did and has way better towing and payload capacity and fords are just generally better trucks. I’ll take the tremor.
Any 4Wheeler worth their salt knows weight is an enemy off road, in the mud, soft areas, steep hills. All the wheeling you guys didn't do would show the fault of a heavy diesel engine. The power wagon engineers were right not to offer a diesel option. Off road you need a soft compliant suspension(including articulation) with true 4 wheel traction and easy to modulate power(the gas engines have more than enough)
The tremor can do most of what the Ram can but it can also still be a heavy duty truck, the Ram sacrifices the entire heavy duty part of the vehicle. A jeep gladiator has better payload and is better if road than the power wagon.
@@VT990 Ram didn't sacrifice anything, it was by design from the beginning just like the raptor. I'm a Ford guy but I see tons of people trading in gladiators for power wagons. I believe you're watching too many videos but have no real experience on the trail. Thumbs up for your awesome google trail/offroard knowledge!
If you want a HD truck with good towing power and decent off road capability go for the Tremor. If you don't care about towing and just want a good off road HD go Powerwagon. That's pretty much it.
With the added weight and revised specs on the 5th gen wagons ruined the payload and towing specs. The pre 17 trucks had 2000 pound payload. And 13k towing. The interior quality is nice but at 600 pounds less payload is a hard price
@@Rommer2258 easy fix stiffer coils and it would cost a couple of hundred dollars or airbags which would cost $1000 and you can tow even more either solution you can get more out of towing and still more comfortable than leaf springs
The Ram was my go to until I heard of all the problems with them. That's enough to tow my 6500 lb trailer. However, decided on a 2012 Ford F-250 6.2 V8 gas engine. That's a known engine and bulletproof. Not disappointed in my choice. Edit: F-250
Why do you even need a HD truck if you don't care about towing? A F-150 has towing and payload close to the Ram powerwagon. Side note 99% of people buying these trucks wont take them on extreme trails. People just like the looks of bigger tires and lifts.
I put air bags on my 2021 power wagon. I tow a 20ft bumper pull with a cab n air JD Tractor with implement no problem at all and it’s rides almost smooth as a half ton. I also tow a 14K lb (empty) living quarters horse trailer. No issues at all. Rides great. Pulls great. Air bags are a must. Without them the suspension bottoms out and it rides like a log truck.
Nice video and format. YES, I agree that the Power Wagon would be the preferred off-road truck. However, if I had to tow more than 10,300 lbs, then the Tremor gets the nod. Seems very very capable...and with the XLT package and 7.3L gas, might even be cost effective. Merci
This was one of the better comparisons, they actually tested the trucks over decent terrain. What they forgot to mention was speed in 4L, my 2019 wagon goes 50mph, I don't know about the tremor. Great video
I have a 7.3 Tremor. Best truck I have ever had. Great off road, great towing, great payload. Got a good deal on it. No need to pay the diesel premium. MPG is a little lacking, but you don’t buy a big truck like this, with MPG in mind. Buy a Prius if that is your motivation. I paid a lot less than even a Power Wagon, which is really what I was in the market for. So with the 7.3 Tremor, you get comparable off road performance, yet more towing and more payload, for less money. At least I did. And you don’t need a Platinum. I got the XLT, and it is plenty nice. If you want to upgrade it, you can buy the parts online for a lot less than you would get them from the factory. I installed the tailgate damper, leather steering wheel, and forward facing camera for about $1000. What more do you need? Heck, you don’t even need those things. I keep up with my buddy’s Raptor no problem. Even make it over stuff he scraps on, because the Tremor has a ton of ground clearance. At less than $4000 for the Tremor option, it is worth it. Especially since everything is under warranty. Once the warranty is up, I will probably upgrade the suspension. For those that wonder I am getting around 16 mpg highway, and 11.5 mpg around town.
Carli Suspension offers huge suspension upgrades for both of these trucks which have minimal to no lift, maintain full factory geometry, increase axle articulation, and install a 2.5 shocks that greatly improve on and off road driving. Prepare to spend $10k though.
One important thing you neglected to compare was the 14 mpg Ram vs 21 mpg Tremor. Operating expense difference is huge. Off road capability goes to Ram, on road to Ford for fuel and towing capability. Depends what you are mostly intending to use it for. Nobody’s interior form function and beauty can hold a candle to Ram.
For sure. They are very different trucks. Both awesome but one of them is built with off-road being #1, the other is built for towing being #1. Pick the one that suits your lifestyle better.
I drove an older F-350 and I have a bad hip that after a couple of hours in that Ford I could hardly walk and was in a great deal of pain, Power Wagon for me! Thanks for a great review!
Hey guys awesome video. I can only imagine it takes a lot of work by many to create such a high quality video...its much appreciated I can assure y'all
I just bought a new 4X4 in May 2024 and I agonized over the decision: Gas or diesel, Power Wagon, Tremor or AT4. I quickly ruled the diesel out, not because of the extra cost but because a buddy of mine who owns a 2019 Powerstroke went to a lot of hassle to delete the DPF, DEF, and EGR. He told me of nightmare scenarios where diesel owners were paying huge sums of money for new DPF's when the old one eventually clogs and the hassle of keeping the DEF tank full. So the diesel was a no-go, at least for me. So the next decision was which truck? I had read about nightmares Ford owners were having with the panorama roof leaking and failing so that kind of turned me off Ford. I've never much been a GM fan, especially they whored themselves out to Obama after the bail-out. I have owned two Rams previously: a Power Wagon and a 2X4 Laramie, both very nice trucks and very dependable so Power Wagon it was for their of road capability and adequate towing ability. My off-grid travel trailer fully loaded is only 5,200 lbs with a tongue weight of 450 lbs so it's a breeze for the PW to tow. This was my decision process, yours may be different but I couldn't be happy with what I have.
As a ram owner I was pleasantly surprised to find you guys preferred the power wagon the only reason I am not surprised is because the power wagon is simply the best stock off-road truck on the market and has been since 2005. Nevertheless even though I’m not a fan of Ford vehicles in general I am really impressed with the tremor that thing is an absolute beast. When the power wagon fits a diesel in it, it will be game over - end of discussion until the competition rises again which is what I love about the truck market in the 21st-century.
Jeremy Haimes absolutely not. A raptor is a light duty truck based on the F150 model. The new RAM TRX is the nearest competitor to the Ford Raptor as it is basically a ram rebel on steroids.
I didn't really get to see which truck ia better. They both look similar. I'd take that powerstroke tremor. Great off road capability and towing capacity
802A raptors have a 6k tow rating and 740 pound payload. It's a designated runner not a towing truck. Just like how a wagon is a crawling truck not a towing truck.
@@michaelalcocer6778 they really killed the capability of the power wagon switching to coils. The older leaf trucks did a lot better. They lighted the spring weight 15%. And just straight math they just took a 6.4 4:10 ram and reduced it 15%.
@@bobvincent4841 the older power wagons like ours. Actually have capability. The newer trucks the 17+ they revised the spring rates and added weight to the interior reducing the capacity
I put air bags for less than $500 on my 2021 power wagon. I tow a 20ft bumper pull with a cab n air JD Tractor with implement no problem at all and it’s rides almost smooth as a half ton. I also tow a 14K lb (empty) living quarters horse trailer. No issues at all. Rides great. Pulls great. Air bags are a must. Without them the suspension bottoms out and it rides like a log truck.
I see there are a lot of complaints about comparing a gas truck to a diesel but I appreciate the comparison. Obviously they compared these two because the biggest complaint of the power wagon is they won’t let you equip it with a diesel. So for many people this is the decision they have to make, gas power wagon, or the diesel tremor.
Should’ve compared a tremor in the same price range. If price is the problem. The new Godzilla 7.3 is great and brings you closer to the ram price. if it came to price or hell just go with a raptor. If you are getting a 2500 or f250 the size problem get a 250 that is shorter length wise. But if you are buying a HD truck you are buying it for Heavy duty use not solely for off road. As far as I seen the 250 did the same stuff in different ways and can still tow 3 cars
I couldn’t agree more. I hate Edmund’s comparisons. I usually just watch them to get angry with what they say. I hate when anyone compares to vehicles and either picks or is given a different trim package. If they wanted a real comparison they would have gotten a Lariat Tremor with the 7.3.
We buy pick up trucks for towing and loading capacity if it is capable offroad then it is a plus but if those truck capacity is compromised just to make it better offroad then I'd rather have the tremor.
People that buy power wagons aren't wanting to haul a 5th wheel camper. The power wagon is a pupose built truck and it dominates out of the box off road and always has in the hd scene
Both are quality trucks. However the PW is a purpose built truck. Please tell me what the Tremor's additional torque, over the PW, does for off roading? Now if you want to tow then just get a regular 2500 or 250. You can still go off road in both of those, just not to the same degree. Which again is why, if you want a HD for max off road, get a purpose built truck like the PW.
By the way, the SuperDuty has manual locking hubs on the front wheels. I wish these companies that does these reviews know more about the product before down they do these comparison.
Sadly, I'm leaving the Ram family and looking into buying a Ford F350 Tremor now. I wish I could stay in the Ram family but Ram is really behind in the HD off-road segment. Is the Power Wagon awesome? It sure is, as long as you trailer it to the trail and/or don't need to carry much of anything, even passengers. Seriously, my Ram 1500 has a 1700 lb payload. The F350 I'm looking at getting should have around 3700lbs payload, be able to tow a 20k lb fifth wheel or 15k lb conventional trailer. Really, really love Ram trucks. I do, I've owned Ram trucks for... gosh, 20+ years now. Bought my son a 2500HD with the cummins and a standard trans for his graduation present. I'm gonna get so much ish from the whole entire family... but Ram, you failed me, your customer. Yikes man, Ford took away a life long customer, or is about to -- not because they made the best, but because y'all didn't even show up to play. I want to be able to use the same truck I haul my camper, boat, tractor, etc with to load down with at least 1k of gear and go road trip, take a few buddies hunting. Can you imagine being like, hey -- y'all can't load those deer in here, we'd be over payload. Seriously... wow, just an honest to goodness, wow. Don't get me wrong, I think the Power Wagon is awesome at what it does. The Tremor is, to be blunt, not the same thing. It's apples and oranges and I need an orange and Ram, for whatever reason, doesn't even make a dang orange. Ah well, here in a few months it'll be done and that'll probably be the end of my relationship with Ram products -- I'm old and will likely die owning this next truck.
What I DO want to know when I read a test is the Total weight of the truck and the capacity of charge! Consum/ On the road, offroad etc. Your test was approved by my grand son...
Towing capability is very subjective sometimes. While the Tremor has a rating of 15,000 lbs as compared to the PW’s 10,500 lbs, there is an important difference here. This test was conducted in desert conditions, but in snow and mud it’s quite different. With the front locking differential, the PW can tow its 10,000 lbs to places that the Tremor never could, like up steep grades in winter on snow or mud covered roads, or across muddy, snow covered fields where you could never go with out a front locker, and you could never go with that heavy diesel engine. The PW is probably as much a work truck for adverse conditions as it is an off roader.
As much as I love the Power Wagon people seem to forget it sacrificed towing capability for off road capability. 9K is nothing to sneeze at, but a 250 Tremor can tow pretty much just as much as a non-Tremor 250. Granted you won't be as stable, but you can tow your tow hauler then have fun with your toys, and truck.
I own semi trucks and about to get a f250 for reference a semi with a Detroit diesel 13 liter motor has 1300 pound feet of torque so this Ford motor is pretty damn amazing 👏 👌
If I’m not mistaken, on the 6.7 diesel, I believe the HP/torque at the wheels is less than advertised, per dyno test on another channel. Essentially, for off-roading, you’re carrying too much weight for the “at wheel” performance. Now, tune the suspension and maybe the 6.7 gearing and you’d have more of a high speed Baja truck… such as the Super Baja. Since I don’t tow much, focusing on hauling, in conjunction with light off roading, I opted for the 7.3 Tremor. It’s light and nimble (compared to the diesel) and does what I need it to do very nicely. Now, I keep my trucks for around ten years. Dodge can’t hang with longevity.
That Power Wagon is awesome, inside and out! Would have liked to see the Ford overextend its off road capabilities so that the PW could pull it out of trouble with its $3000 winche that comes standard!
I bought a Ram Rebel with Hemi. Its a very comfortable ride, have a lot of the features of the of the PW minus the front locker, solid axle and winch. A plus for the Rebel, it can haul and tow more than the 2500 PW, which is just weird saying that. The 6.4 has only 15 HP and 25 TQ more than the 5.7. I liked the video of the heavy hitters.
@@starmc26 The Powerwagon is based on a HD truck, but it lacks some of the features HD trucks are known for like towing and payload. My 1500 can tow more than the PW. Max towing is 10,350 pounds and payload 1510 pounds, the new Wagoneer is rated at 10,000 pounds, sounds heavy duty to me. Rebel tows 11,540 pounds and payload of 1930 pounds. The big difference is the winch, solid front axle, and the front locker. Other than those things the Rebel and Power Wagon compare pretty close.
When it comes to off-road trucks wheelbase and breakover angles are everybit as important, if not more so, as approach and departure angles. Neither of which were listed or mentioned.
They mis stated the F250 6.7 towing capability. It's 21k not 15k. You can actually use the Ford to tow the dodge while the dodge is towing it's max towing capability and still have capacity to spare. These are two different vehicles. The tremor has a gas option that would be cheaper and a better comparison.
The convention towing capacity is 15k, the gooseneck is 21k. The power wagon isn't rated for gooseneck. Also it depends on the package selection. The max tow rating package makes the difference but adds a hefty spring rate.
@@Rommer2258 sorry to disappoint you but my truck is rated to pull 21k conventionally. I can send you a picture of the sticker that says so. It has a class 5 conventional 3" hitch system from the factory.
@@Rommer2258 sorry they are wrong. The Ford manual states 21200lbs. I am looking at the sticker on my truck right now that states the same with a tongue weight of 2120lbs. You can read what every you want from someone other than ford but the fact remains it's not true. The 2020 ford RV and trailer tow guy specifically says so and there is literally a sticker on the receiver that list 21k along with the manual that states that specifically. Ever stop to think that the 3rd hand source you are getting your information from is wrong?
Where’s the AT4?! Also, enough about the price being a deciding factor! You either chose this truck or were given a Platinum by Ford. Either way; you need to stop harping in the price because you can get a cheaper gas powered Lariat Tremor that would be much more similar in price.
Exactly! A gas lariat trim would have been a more equal comparison in terms of pricing. I have seen revives of the Gas Tremor VS the Diesel and the gas gets the better review for off road. Of course that diesel is built to tow, and tow hard! So if hauling a heavy load is what you need, the diesel is the way to go.
Irony...I just put a down payment on a Power Wagon after cross shopping these two trucks (7.3L vs. 6.4L). The price discrepancy is even worse after negotiations. Between that and the PW being a more comfortable off & on roading truck...the answer was clear.
Have to disagree. I own a tremor and it is more comfortable than any dodge I have been in. They should have compared the gas tremor as it is the better of the two versions off road. It really just comes down to seat of the pants preference and brand loyalty at that point.
@@michaelalcocer6778 I'm not brand loyal and I drove both. The tremor package is still attached to a truck that is designed to tow. That suspension is inherently stiff unloaded...that's why the Ram can't tow as much. My comment was nothing about the video...just real life. The Ford is a great package though.
@Rod Smith 7.3L with the 10 speed feels more powerful and "torquey." However, I never felt the PW lacking in pep (I think that is due to the 4.10s). Powertrain wise, I liked the Ford experience better. But after price talks... the PW is a better package and value if your focus is centered around off road performance.
If you are serious about off roading, the Power Wagon is the way to go. If you are a casual off roader who still needs/wants to tow a lot, the Tremor is probably the better pick. I have a Power Wagon and upgraded the tires to 35x12.5 r17 which fit on the factory rims with no rubbing even at max articulation. You can fit 37x12.5 r17 tires if you go with a "slimmer" tire and run a rim with a certain offset/backspacing with no rub at all. This can be done on the stock suspension. $1400 and I have the same size tires as the Tremor including a full size off road spare which fits under the bed plus far more off road equipment such as a front locker and disconnecting front sway bar. The Power Wagon's axle flex, even with a connected sway bar, is superior to the Tremor's and has a better RTI score as a result. Disconnected it's in a whole different league. How much would it cost for a Tremor owner to add a front selectable locker, install a disconnecting front sway bar, wire it, and improve axle flex for both axles? Al ot more than $1400.
what they forget to mention is that the ram can tow 10,000 pounds but in real life because of the low payload numbers it will top off around 8,000 and that would be near maxing it out. The ram is cool but they made a heavy duty offroad truck with the payload and towing of a fullsize.
Tremors are cute. Power Wagon, in terms of off-road capability, destroys it. Front locker is golden. Sway bar disconnect is a must. What is the difference between FX4 and the Tremor? Price, smh. Nice try Ford, but once again you take 2nd place.
I have that exact power wagon and I bought it for having fun, not for hauling. I rarely tow, our family prefers traveling in the Dodge than in my wife's Armada. That's how comfortable it is. We go fishing in places the Armada won't make it.
Dude, get over the price tag on the Ford, you got a Platinum trim, the highest trim level for a Super Duty. it isn’t a fair comparison. You can get a Lariat trim, with a Diesel for $70k depending how you option it. If I were going to get a Tremor I would get an XLT with the 7.3 gas, put a couple options on it, then put a Carli Pintop suspension on it, and put lockers on the front. That would comfortably tow just about anything, and ride like a dream, and have fantastic off road ability for a truck that size.
I agree with you, and i own a dodge. The 7.3 is an impressive motor, and changes the way the truck handles. Carli springs are required for the tremors, the OE springs are really stiff, and only nets about 6" of front travel and 8" of rear. Carli doubles both numbers.
I was thinking the same thing... also he was saying that the ram is better because it has the 4 wheel drive on the floor but did not say anything about how the ram has a knob for a shifter...
@@aaronplaster5818 i was thinking that too how the ram is a "truck" for manual 4x4 shifter but has the stupid turn dial for your gears compared to fords column shifter, number 1 reason why i wouldnt get the ram. Hate those stupid turn dials.
I don't care if it's Ford, Chevy, GMC, Toyota, Nissan, I'd take any over a Stellantis product like Ram or Jeep. So many issues. I got a 2020 Ram Power Wagon provided by work. It was in and out of the dealership more than I drove it. They replaced it with an AT4. Much better truck. If it was my personal money I'd get the Ford with the diesel because I'm not going to flexing out a stock truck. Get 2 or 3 more inches of lift, 37's, and with the winch and limited slip it'll do anything I can imagine doing with an 80k truck. I have trucks and buggies for off-roading. I've heard the argument well what if you can't afford to build a truck or buggy, free advice:if you can't afford to build a decent off-road truck, Jeep, buggy, any one or all three, you can't afford a new truck.
That Ford DOES have a front locker. It is old school. You have to get out of the truck and manually turn the knob in the center hub, DS. All things considered, the Ford is just a nicer vehicle. The Ford's transmisdion, diff and axles are sturdier. But the Ram is awflly nice for off-roading too.
I own a power wagon and love it beside a new transmission at 100,005 mile and replaced a starter at 32,000 miles and a thermostat at 63,000 miles other than that its been swell if you have 8,000 dollars sitting around
@@Dexter_Solid not even close. They were doing a reorganization when covid started. They will burn through their billions in cash reserves for a bit and return to profit shortly. Don't forget they never got a bailout in the last recession, that says alot for their ability to weather storms on their own.
@@christopherbrown1391 I have been following it. They have enough cash on hand to cover the losses. They took a loan due to the low interest rates currently and the ability to leverage assets with out burning through cash on hand. Last report was they had $22b on hand and $13b left in credit line. No matter how you cut it that's still sitting pretty flush while being on top of the truck market.
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Power Wagon and Tremor are great names. But if Chevy were to make an off-road package for the 2500 HD, what should it be called? Read our full comparison here: www.edmunds.com/truck/articles/ford-tremor-vs-ram-power-wagon/
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Great video. Y’all did a great job.
Why wouldn’t you compare the Ram with the 7.3 gaser the price would be closer plus numbers would be closer
I agree
Yea this is not apples to apples. Would’ve enjoyed seeing the 7.3 comparison more.
Agree on 7.3 gas completely. Today’s diesels engines(while insanely powered) are unreliable, overpriced, and will wear out prematurely. Still a lot of great info for individual applications regardless of engine. To each his own, and both cool trucks. Love seeing the pushrod V8 prevail
Ya this was apples to oranges, if you want to tow at all you laugh at the ram...
very first thing I thought....This is a stupid comparison ....Diesel to gas...... Congrats youve made your vid useless guys.
Chevy has literally left the chat.
They never entered it, GM to scared to throw it's hat into the heavy-duty offroad truck battle they took forever getting into the offroad truck segment in general ( and RAM has had only the Power Wagon forever, TRX is still a ways off)
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Chevy was never in the conversation and it's only been recently that Ford was even mentioned.
News Now Twin Cities what do you mean? The power wagon is cool but it can’t compare to something like the Raptor.
Apples and oranges. These two trucks weren't even close trim wise. At least compare them both with gas motors.
More like Apples and Chicken Nuggets. Completely different animals. They shouldn't have even bothered.
@Jack njones Exactly. Then why compare it to a diesel Super Duty? Should have both been gassers for a true comparison.
@Jack njones Not wanting to get into a gas engine debate. Original reply was meant to point out that the comparison is not valid since they compared a diesel truck to a gas truck in vastly different trims. Compare two gas trims for fucks sake. Extra bonus if they are at least close in trim level. These two trucks may as well be from different planets from a comparison standpoint.
@Jack njones *their
They are both gas engines
Correction: the Ford DOES have a locking rear differential, it comes standard with a Tremor or FX4 package. You pull on the 4-wheel drive knob and it locks the rear diff (there's literally a diagram of it right next to the knob). It's a real locker, not a limited slip. #TheMoreYouKnow
The front is lsd.
Ford does not have a locking front diff.
The Tremor needs the 7.3 with out the max tow package for this comparison.
Exactly. The deciding factor a for them ended up being options they could have controlled for in the comparison.
Yep...kinda dumb they compare the diesel which is already more than $8K over the 7.3 Godzilla engine.
The 7.3 tremor is an entirely different truck, the power stroke truck is really heavy. It compares to offroading a cummins ram the 800 pounds less on the front axle is alot
What's wrong with a 6.2 V8 gasser in a Tremor?
Completely pointless test. The Ford has a Diesel. Where is the 7.3L gas Ford engine?
That would be a head a head test.
1. People who buy the Superduty (especially with the diesel) are wanting to do a fair amount of hauling and pulling. The 4 grand Tremor up grade is a small price to make your truck more versatile.
2. People looking to do a fair amount of off-roading and little or lite hauling will go for the Raptor.
3. I've owned one Dodge truck (bought new) NEVER AGAIN.
I owned a Ford that burned to the ground. one of its multi million famous Fire recalls. On my second Ram will never buy or park a ford close to work or home.
Both cool trucks, but the Ram is obviously more offroad capable. Either way, i'd still take the Ford.
I didn’t see any portion of the video where the RAM did anything that the Tremor didn’t do. In fact the Tremor looked more capable in that video than the Pw.
@@bigcitybrom I'm just talking purely based on personal real life experience.
I bought a powerwagon since I dont do much towing. We do more family roadtrips where camp or airbnb and then use the truck to go into destinations not reachable to most. The truck is spacious, rides comfortably, and has all the tech inside and out that we need. The price I pay is 10MPG and current gas prices. But that's why we call em smiles per gallon in this community.
Id take that tremor all day it’s the best of both worlds. Off road capability, huge power and monster towing. Just the fact you can take a factory f250diesel to these extremes is fricken awesome.
It seems like the tremor only finished second based on price. The platinum I priced out was $73k. All that tech with trail control and cameras is on my tremor that I ordered for $60k. As for rock crawling the approach departure breakover on the big trucks will stop the trail far before the need of a sway disconnect.
First of all... diesels are too heavy which is why Ford is pointless. No winch and no lockers either.
Not even comparable trucks
R sr Tremor has standard with rear locker and comes with with optional winch from the factory.
I have done many trails in the Power Wagon and have used the sway bar disconnect for a good number of them. Added 35" tires to the Power Wagon and solved some of the ground clearance problems. I wish it could haul/tow more. For trails it has been a surprise to what it can do. Will be adding rock rails and a better rear bumper. Took them both out on a trail following some jeeps.
@@eighteennakedcowboys the tremor handled everything the Ram did and has way better towing and payload capacity and fords are just generally better trucks. I’ll take the tremor.
@@eighteennakedcowboys 7.3L
Any 4Wheeler worth their salt knows weight is an enemy off road, in the mud, soft areas, steep hills. All the wheeling you guys didn't do would show the fault of a heavy diesel engine. The power wagon engineers were right not to offer a diesel option. Off road you need a soft compliant suspension(including articulation) with true 4 wheel traction and easy to modulate power(the gas engines have more than enough)
They should have never compared the diesel version of the tremor when the gas version is readily available.
@@michaelalcocer6778 I agree, a gas powered 250 model.
The tremor can do most of what the Ram can but it can also still be a heavy duty truck, the Ram sacrifices the entire heavy duty part of the vehicle. A jeep gladiator has better payload and is better if road than the power wagon.
@@VT990 Ram didn't sacrifice anything, it was by design from the beginning just like the raptor. I'm a Ford guy but I see tons of people trading in gladiators for power wagons. I believe you're watching too many videos but have no real experience on the trail. Thumbs up for your awesome google trail/offroard knowledge!
That depends on what you are doing off road sometimes it is a thing called work and a Cummins and some lockers would be wonderful
If you want a HD truck with good towing power and decent off road capability go for the Tremor. If you don't care about towing and just want a good off road HD go Powerwagon. That's pretty much it.
With the added weight and revised specs on the 5th gen wagons ruined the payload and towing specs. The pre 17 trucks had 2000 pound payload. And 13k towing. The interior quality is nice but at 600 pounds less payload is a hard price
@@Rommer2258 easy fix stiffer coils and it would cost a couple of hundred dollars or airbags which would cost $1000 and you can tow even more either solution you can get more out of towing and still more comfortable than leaf springs
The Ram was my go to until I heard of all the problems with them. That's enough to tow my 6500 lb trailer. However, decided on a 2012 Ford F-250 6.2 V8 gas engine. That's a known engine and bulletproof. Not disappointed in my choice.
Edit: F-250
Why do you even need a HD truck if you don't care about towing? A F-150 has towing and payload close to the Ram powerwagon. Side note 99% of people buying these trucks wont take them on extreme trails. People just like the looks of bigger tires and lifts.
I put air bags on my 2021 power wagon. I tow a 20ft bumper pull with a cab n air JD Tractor with implement no problem at all and it’s rides almost smooth as a half ton. I also tow a 14K lb (empty) living quarters horse trailer. No issues at all. Rides great. Pulls great. Air bags are a must. Without them the suspension bottoms out and it rides like a log truck.
Nice video and format. YES, I agree that the Power Wagon would be the preferred off-road truck. However, if I had to tow more than 10,300 lbs, then the Tremor gets the nod. Seems very very capable...and with the XLT package and 7.3L gas, might even be cost effective. Merci
This was one of the better comparisons, they actually tested the trucks over decent terrain. What they forgot to mention was speed in 4L, my 2019 wagon goes 50mph, I don't know about the tremor.
Great video
I have a 7.3 Tremor. Best truck I have ever had. Great off road, great towing, great payload. Got a good deal on it. No need to pay the diesel premium. MPG is a little lacking, but you don’t buy a big truck like this, with MPG in mind. Buy a Prius if that is your motivation. I paid a lot less than even a Power Wagon, which is really what I was in the market for. So with the 7.3 Tremor, you get comparable off road performance, yet more towing and more payload, for less money. At least I did. And you don’t need a Platinum. I got the XLT, and it is plenty nice. If you want to upgrade it, you can buy the parts online for a lot less than you would get them from the factory. I installed the tailgate damper, leather steering wheel, and forward facing camera for about $1000. What more do you need? Heck, you don’t even need those things. I keep up with my buddy’s Raptor no problem. Even make it over stuff he scraps on, because the Tremor has a ton of ground clearance. At less than $4000 for the Tremor option, it is worth it. Especially since everything is under warranty. Once the warranty is up, I will probably upgrade the suspension. For those that wonder I am getting around 16 mpg highway, and 11.5 mpg around town.
I almost bought a Tremor., but opted for the Power Wagon. I’m very happy and not looking in the rear view mirror.
Carli Suspension offers huge suspension upgrades for both of these trucks which have minimal to no lift, maintain full factory geometry, increase axle articulation, and install a 2.5 shocks that greatly improve on and off road driving. Prepare to spend $10k though.
And prepare currently to wait months to get it.
One important thing you neglected to compare was the 14 mpg Ram vs 21 mpg Tremor. Operating expense difference is huge. Off road capability goes to Ram, on road to Ford for fuel and towing capability. Depends what you are mostly intending to use it for. Nobody’s interior form function and beauty can hold a candle to Ram.
Important thing you neglected is that NO ONE buys a truck for fuel.
#SPG
Tremor might get better MPG but diesel is more expensive and the maintenance is more expensive.
For sure. They are very different trucks. Both awesome but one of them is built with off-road being #1, the other is built for towing being #1. Pick the one that suits your lifestyle better.
@@MissleT0EThat's what Tacoma's are for, lol
I drove an older F-350 and I have a bad hip that after a couple of hours in that Ford I could hardly walk and was in a great deal of pain, Power Wagon for me! Thanks for a great review!
Hey guys awesome video. I can only imagine it takes a lot of work by many to create such a high quality video...its much appreciated I can assure y'all
Wow! Great video, team! I never realized how much I needed a big pickup truck in my life! 😂
I just bought a new 4X4 in May 2024 and I agonized over the decision: Gas or diesel, Power Wagon, Tremor or AT4. I quickly ruled the diesel out, not because of the extra cost but because a buddy of mine who owns a 2019 Powerstroke went to a lot of hassle to delete the DPF, DEF, and EGR. He told me of nightmare scenarios where diesel owners were paying huge sums of money for new DPF's when the old one eventually clogs and the hassle of keeping the DEF tank full. So the diesel was a no-go, at least for me. So the next decision was which truck? I had read about nightmares Ford owners were having with the panorama roof leaking and failing so that kind of turned me off Ford. I've never much been a GM fan, especially they whored themselves out to Obama after the bail-out. I have owned two Rams previously: a Power Wagon and a 2X4 Laramie, both very nice trucks and very dependable so Power Wagon it was for their of road capability and adequate towing ability. My off-grid travel trailer fully loaded is only 5,200 lbs with a tongue weight of 450 lbs so it's a breeze for the PW to tow. This was my decision process, yours may be different but I couldn't be happy with what I have.
omg atlast a channel where both agree on same thing.. love it.. and not faking it for the sake of viewers... Ram all day🔥
As a ram owner I was pleasantly surprised to find you guys preferred the power wagon the only reason I am not surprised is because the power wagon is simply the best stock off-road truck on the market and has been since 2005. Nevertheless even though I’m not a fan of Ford vehicles in general I am really impressed with the tremor that thing is an absolute beast. When the power wagon fits a diesel in it, it will be game over - end of discussion until the competition rises again which is what I love about the truck market in the 21st-century.
Would you compare it to the raptor?
Jeremy Haimes absolutely not. A raptor is a light duty truck based on the F150 model. The new RAM TRX is the nearest competitor to the Ford Raptor as it is basically a ram rebel on steroids.
I didn't really get to see which truck ia better. They both look similar. I'd take that powerstroke tremor. Great off road capability and towing capacity
6 freaking commercials in the video, no thanks! 👎
I’m not sure if I’m supposed to click thumbs up or thumbs down to agree with you 😆
0 for me.
If ten thousand pounds is ok for towing in an HD Truck, you might as well get a Raptor that can tow eight thousand.
The diesel tremor can tow the power wagon while the power wagon is towing it's max load. Maybe they should have mentioned that.....
802A raptors have a 6k tow rating and 740 pound payload. It's a designated runner not a towing truck. Just like how a wagon is a crawling truck not a towing truck.
@@michaelalcocer6778 they really killed the capability of the power wagon switching to coils. The older leaf trucks did a lot better. They lighted the spring weight 15%. And just straight math they just took a 6.4 4:10 ram and reduced it 15%.
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@@bobvincent4841 the older power wagons like ours. Actually have capability. The newer trucks the 17+ they revised the spring rates and added weight to the interior reducing the capacity
I put air bags for less than $500 on my 2021 power wagon. I tow a 20ft bumper pull with a cab n air JD Tractor with implement no problem at all and it’s rides almost smooth as a half ton. I also tow a 14K lb (empty) living quarters horse trailer. No issues at all. Rides great. Pulls great. Air bags are a must. Without them the suspension bottoms out and it rides like a log truck.
I see there are a lot of complaints about comparing a gas truck to a diesel but I appreciate the comparison. Obviously they compared these two because the biggest complaint of the power wagon is they won’t let you equip it with a diesel. So for many people this is the decision they have to make, gas power wagon, or the diesel tremor.
I can't decide, guess I'll have to buy both.😂
Should’ve compared a tremor in the same price range. If price is the problem. The new Godzilla 7.3 is great and brings you closer to the ram price. if it came to price or hell just go with a raptor. If you are getting a 2500 or f250 the size problem get a 250 that is shorter length wise. But if you are buying a HD truck you are buying it for Heavy duty use not solely for off road. As far as I seen the 250 did the same stuff in different ways and can still tow 3 cars
I couldn’t agree more. I hate Edmund’s comparisons. I usually just watch them to get angry with what they say. I hate when anyone compares to vehicles and either picks or is given a different trim package. If they wanted a real comparison they would have gotten a Lariat Tremor with the 7.3.
Edmunds reviews are awesome!!! Thanks guys
We buy pick up trucks for towing and loading capacity if it is capable offroad then it is a plus but if those truck capacity is compromised just to make it better offroad then I'd rather have the tremor.
People that buy power wagons aren't wanting to haul a 5th wheel camper. The power wagon is a pupose built truck and it dominates out of the box off road and always has in the hd scene
You can get a 2020 F-350 xlt Tremor 6.7 diesel for 60k with discounts. With the 7.3 gas, the Tremor can be 55k. Right here in Minnesota
What are those prices today?
Both are quality trucks. However the PW is a purpose built truck. Please tell me what the Tremor's additional torque, over the PW, does for off roading? Now if you want to tow then just get a regular 2500 or 250. You can still go off road in both of those, just not to the same degree. Which again is why, if you want a HD for max off road, get a purpose built truck like the PW.
By the way, the SuperDuty has manual locking hubs on the front wheels. I wish these companies that does these reviews know more about the product before down they do these comparison.
Not the same as lockers.
@@kurtklimisch7498
Lawyer here. "It locks". Ok? 😁
Sadly, I'm leaving the Ram family and looking into buying a Ford F350 Tremor now. I wish I could stay in the Ram family but Ram is really behind in the HD off-road segment. Is the Power Wagon awesome? It sure is, as long as you trailer it to the trail and/or don't need to carry much of anything, even passengers. Seriously, my Ram 1500 has a 1700 lb payload. The F350 I'm looking at getting should have around 3700lbs payload, be able to tow a 20k lb fifth wheel or 15k lb conventional trailer. Really, really love Ram trucks. I do, I've owned Ram trucks for... gosh, 20+ years now. Bought my son a 2500HD with the cummins and a standard trans for his graduation present. I'm gonna get so much ish from the whole entire family... but Ram, you failed me, your customer. Yikes man, Ford took away a life long customer, or is about to -- not because they made the best, but because y'all didn't even show up to play. I want to be able to use the same truck I haul my camper, boat, tractor, etc with to load down with at least 1k of gear and go road trip, take a few buddies hunting. Can you imagine being like, hey -- y'all can't load those deer in here, we'd be over payload. Seriously... wow, just an honest to goodness, wow. Don't get me wrong, I think the Power Wagon is awesome at what it does. The Tremor is, to be blunt, not the same thing. It's apples and oranges and I need an orange and Ram, for whatever reason, doesn't even make a dang orange. Ah well, here in a few months it'll be done and that'll probably be the end of my relationship with Ram products -- I'm old and will likely die owning this next truck.
Great review- definitely answered a lot of my questions 🍻
What I DO want to know when I read a test is the Total weight of the truck and the capacity of charge!
Consum/ On the road, offroad etc.
Your test was approved by my grand son...
Towing capability is very subjective sometimes. While the Tremor has a rating of 15,000 lbs as compared to the PW’s 10,500 lbs, there is an important difference here. This test was conducted in desert conditions, but in snow and mud it’s quite different. With the front locking differential, the PW can tow its 10,000 lbs to places that the Tremor never could, like up steep grades in winter on snow or mud covered roads, or across muddy, snow covered fields where you could never go with out a front locker, and you could never go with that heavy diesel engine. The PW is probably as much a work truck for adverse conditions as it is an off roader.
What’s not being said is the power wagon can run 35s out the gate no problem. They just come with 33s. My 1500 came with 33s too
As much as I love the Power Wagon people seem to forget it sacrificed towing capability for off road capability. 9K is nothing to sneeze at, but a 250 Tremor can tow pretty much just as much as a non-Tremor 250. Granted you won't be as stable, but you can tow your tow hauler then have fun with your toys, and truck.
I own semi trucks and about to get a f250 for reference a semi with a Detroit diesel 13 liter motor has 1300 pound feet of torque so this Ford motor is pretty damn amazing 👏 👌
If I’m not mistaken, on the 6.7 diesel, I believe the HP/torque at the wheels is less than advertised, per dyno test on another channel. Essentially, for off-roading, you’re carrying too much weight for the “at wheel” performance. Now, tune the suspension and maybe the 6.7 gearing and you’d have more of a high speed Baja truck… such as the Super Baja. Since I don’t tow much, focusing on hauling, in conjunction with light off roading, I opted for the 7.3 Tremor. It’s light and nimble (compared to the diesel) and does what I need it to do very nicely.
Now, I keep my trucks for around ten years. Dodge can’t hang with longevity.
That Power Wagon is awesome, inside and out!
Would have liked to see the Ford overextend its off road capabilities so that the PW could pull it out of trouble with its $3000 winche that comes standard!
The best comparison i have seen so far...but i have yet to see the 7.3 vs the 6.4. Its always the diesel.
Xlt with the 7.3 would wrk just fine for me that would bring the price down to the power wagon i assume? Either way there both kick ass!!
Calico Ghost Town, that scenery is very recognizable.
Difference in Price did it for me
Tremor doesn't have lane keep assist. it only has a lane departure warning. Totally different thing.
I bought a Ram Rebel with Hemi. Its a very comfortable ride, have a lot of the features of the of the PW minus the front locker, solid axle and winch. A plus for the Rebel, it can haul and tow more than the 2500 PW, which is just weird saying that. The 6.4 has only 15 HP and 25 TQ more than the 5.7. I liked the video of the heavy hitters.
The rebel is a 1500, the pw is a heavy duty truck. There's little comparison.
@@starmc26 The Powerwagon is based on a HD truck, but it lacks some of the features HD trucks are known for like towing and payload. My 1500 can tow more than the PW. Max towing is 10,350 pounds and payload 1510 pounds, the new Wagoneer is rated at 10,000 pounds, sounds heavy duty to me. Rebel tows 11,540 pounds and payload of 1930 pounds. The big difference is the winch, solid front axle, and the front locker. Other than those things the Rebel and Power Wagon compare pretty close.
When it comes to off-road trucks wheelbase and breakover angles are everybit as important, if not more so, as approach and departure angles. Neither of which were listed or mentioned.
There wasn't a comment on the back seats of the Dodge. How much leg room does it have compared to the Ford?
They mis stated the F250 6.7 towing capability. It's 21k not 15k. You can actually use the Ford to tow the dodge while the dodge is towing it's max towing capability and still have capacity to spare. These are two different vehicles. The tremor has a gas option that would be cheaper and a better comparison.
The convention towing capacity is 15k, the gooseneck is 21k. The power wagon isn't rated for gooseneck. Also it depends on the package selection. The max tow rating package makes the difference but adds a hefty spring rate.
@@Rommer2258 sorry to disappoint you but my truck is rated to pull 21k conventionally. I can send you a picture of the sticker that says so. It has a class 5 conventional 3" hitch system from the factory.
@@michaelalcocer6778 www.motor1.com/reviews/393923/2020-ford-f250-tremor-first-drive-review/
Tow more section.
15k conventional, 21.9k gooseneck.
@@Rommer2258 sorry they are wrong. The Ford manual states 21200lbs. I am looking at the sticker on my truck right now that states the same with a tongue weight of 2120lbs. You can read what every you want from someone other than ford but the fact remains it's not true. The 2020 ford RV and trailer tow guy specifically says so and there is literally a sticker on the receiver that list 21k along with the manual that states that specifically. Ever stop to think that the 3rd hand source you are getting your information from is wrong?
Way too many ads in this vid. Even at least 1 uncancellable 15 sec ad. That’s when I stopped watching.
ads?? what's that, I haven't seen nor heard of that word for ages with using adblocker on my pc lol
You must be using Chrome or another Scroogle ad machine. I use Brave or Vivaldi and never see an ad. You might want to change to an adblocker.
Adblock, Boomer.
@@blueschild61 I am not a boomer, but you do realize its the boomers who created the internet right?
Get ad blocker.
Where’s the AT4?! Also, enough about the price being a deciding factor! You either chose this truck or were given a Platinum by Ford. Either way; you need to stop harping in the price because you can get a cheaper gas powered Lariat Tremor that would be much more similar in price.
Exactly! A gas lariat trim would have been a more equal comparison in terms of pricing. I have seen revives of the Gas Tremor VS the Diesel and the gas gets the better review for off road. Of course that diesel is built to tow, and tow hard! So if hauling a heavy load is what you need, the diesel is the way to go.
Funny they didn't mention the fuel economy for the PW
Yeah, if you can afford either truck then your not worried about fuel economy.
Proud PW owner, and love it.
But it's unfair to compare a towing vehicle to a purpose built off-roader.
Producer: pump it up
Green pants guy: I got u
Irony...I just put a down payment on a Power Wagon after cross shopping these two trucks (7.3L vs. 6.4L). The price discrepancy is even worse after negotiations. Between that and the PW being a more comfortable off & on roading truck...the answer was clear.
Have to disagree. I own a tremor and it is more comfortable than any dodge I have been in. They should have compared the gas tremor as it is the better of the two versions off road. It really just comes down to seat of the pants preference and brand loyalty at that point.
Ram is going to be better riding due to its suspension
@@michaelalcocer6778 I'm not brand loyal and I drove both. The tremor package is still attached to a truck that is designed to tow. That suspension is inherently stiff unloaded...that's why the Ram can't tow as much. My comment was nothing about the video...just real life. The Ford is a great package though.
Rod Smith not as powerful as the 7.3 if you are going by seat of the pants
@Rod Smith 7.3L with the 10 speed feels more powerful and "torquey." However, I never felt the PW lacking in pep (I think that is due to the 4.10s). Powertrain wise, I liked the Ford experience better. But after price talks... the PW is a better package and value if your focus is centered around off road performance.
If you are serious about off roading, the Power Wagon is the way to go. If you are a casual off roader who still needs/wants to tow a lot, the Tremor is probably the better pick. I have a Power Wagon and upgraded the tires to 35x12.5 r17 which fit on the factory rims with no rubbing even at max articulation. You can fit 37x12.5 r17 tires if you go with a "slimmer" tire and run a rim with a certain offset/backspacing with no rub at all. This can be done on the stock suspension. $1400 and I have the same size tires as the Tremor including a full size off road spare which fits under the bed plus far more off road equipment such as a front locker and disconnecting front sway bar. The Power Wagon's axle flex, even with a connected sway bar, is superior to the Tremor's and has a better RTI score as a result. Disconnected it's in a whole different league. How much would it cost for a Tremor owner to add a front selectable locker, install a disconnecting front sway bar, wire it, and improve axle flex for both axles? Al ot more than $1400.
what they forget to mention is that the ram can tow 10,000 pounds but in real life because of the low payload numbers it will top off around 8,000 and that would be near maxing it out. The ram is cool but they made a heavy duty offroad truck with the payload and towing of a fullsize.
The power wagon has a cool 4 wheel drive lever... but where is the gear shifter?? Was it a dial???? Please tell me no!
Travis's voice is a combination of John Cusack and Seth Rogan. Took me a while to dial it down recognizing that voice similarity
TFL has a carli F250 with 7.3, $55K , great truck for comps
Tremors are cute. Power Wagon, in terms of off-road capability, destroys it. Front locker is golden. Sway bar disconnect is a must. What is the difference between FX4 and the Tremor? Price, smh. Nice try Ford, but once again you take 2nd place.
Thanks guys! Good stuff!
Ram Power Wagon no brained if you do serious off road, plus the Ram is more practical for everyday and more affordable
Can anybody explain to me how the Ford costs $90,000?? How TF can people justify paying these ridiculous prices for new trucks?
God that looks fun. I think we all know the Ford is the better truck though!
jesus, a 90k truck that doesnt have a front locking diff. I am convinced ford has no clue what their market is.
Isnt it just pathetic?
Why is this being compared to a power wagon? Lol
@@eighteennakedcowboys because it’s better than a power wagon any day and ford is superior in every way
I have that exact power wagon and I bought it for having fun, not for hauling. I rarely tow, our family prefers traveling in the Dodge than in my wife's Armada. That's how comfortable it is. We go fishing in places the Armada won't make it.
Yeah but which is more reliable?
Poor ride in HF trucks: exists
Carli Suspension: Begone
Well, how many miles did the power wagon get per gallon ?
7.3 vs 6.4 , compare apples to apples 🤦🏻♂️
The 7.3 V-8 tremor is better than the power wagon in my opinion and I would get that over the power wagon
The ram should be a 1500. It’s hauling and towing capabilities are less than most half tons.
Dude, get over the price tag on the Ford, you got a Platinum trim, the highest trim level for a Super Duty. it isn’t a fair comparison. You can get a Lariat trim, with a Diesel for $70k depending how you option it.
If I were going to get a Tremor I would get an XLT with the 7.3 gas, put a couple options on it, then put a Carli Pintop suspension on it, and put lockers on the front. That would comfortably tow just about anything, and ride like a dream, and have fantastic off road ability for a truck that size.
Exactly, my 7.3 XLT was 55K sticker price. Diesel engine alone adds $8K
I agree with you, and i own a dodge. The 7.3 is an impressive motor, and changes the way the truck handles. Carli springs are required for the tremors, the OE springs are really stiff, and only nets about 6" of front travel and 8" of rear. Carli doubles both numbers.
Also the XLT 7.3 is an extremely rare truck. Unless you order it and pay sticker your not going to find one with out driving a long way
9:25 I wonder if they realize they were about 2" away from rolling that Ford here...
Why didn't he use the locking hubs on the Ford?
I was thinking the same thing... also he was saying that the ram is better because it has the 4 wheel drive on the floor but did not say anything about how the ram has a knob for a shifter...
@@aaronplaster5818 i was thinking that too how the ram is a "truck" for manual 4x4 shifter but has the stupid turn dial for your gears compared to fords column shifter, number 1 reason why i wouldnt get the ram. Hate those stupid turn dials.
I’d have to pick the ford great truck
did you air down the tires on the ford when off roading?
Which is the best I really want to know man
Power wagon or f 250 tremor
Great video!
Awwwh they both had their shoulder purse in mind.
Trying to count how many times he almost flipped the Ford
Shouldn’t have been too hard since it was never in any danger of flipping; what video were you watching?
you ALMOST had a bright thought...
I don't care if it's Ford, Chevy, GMC, Toyota, Nissan, I'd take any over a Stellantis product like Ram or Jeep. So many issues. I got a 2020 Ram Power Wagon provided by work. It was in and out of the dealership more than I drove it. They replaced it with an AT4. Much better truck. If it was my personal money I'd get the Ford with the diesel because I'm not going to flexing out a stock truck. Get 2 or 3 more inches of lift, 37's, and with the winch and limited slip it'll do anything I can imagine doing with an 80k truck. I have trucks and buggies for off-roading. I've heard the argument well what if you can't afford to build a truck or buggy, free advice:if you can't afford to build a decent off-road truck, Jeep, buggy, any one or all three, you can't afford a new truck.
Thumbnail got me let's see if it's a good show.
looks like the Tremor is longer?
the next "tremor" or "X offroad" package should just save everyone's time and work with carli suspension to get capability + ride quality off the lot
That Ford DOES have a front locker. It is old school. You have to get out of the truck and manually turn the knob in the center hub, DS. All things considered, the Ford is just a nicer vehicle. The Ford's transmisdion, diff and axles are sturdier. But the Ram is awflly nice for off-roading too.
What do you call a torsen with the brakes applied? A locker, that you can actually steer.
The most American video i've seen today 🇺🇸
Both truck are nice while they’re new!
What is the payload capacity of these trucks you Subaru wheelers?
I own a power wagon and love it beside a new transmission at 100,005 mile and replaced a starter at 32,000 miles and a thermostat at 63,000 miles other than that its been swell if you have 8,000 dollars sitting around
Tremor no question. Stupid tiny tires on the wagon not to mention... fca no way
Except ford is going bankrupt 😆
@@Dexter_Solid not even close. They were doing a reorganization when covid started. They will burn through their billions in cash reserves for a bit and return to profit shortly. Don't forget they never got a bailout in the last recession, that says alot for their ability to weather storms on their own.
Michael Alcocer they took a cash loan look it up they were not in dire need as the other two
@@christopherbrown1391 I have been following it. They have enough cash on hand to cover the losses. They took a loan due to the low interest rates currently and the ability to leverage assets with out burning through cash on hand. Last report was they had $22b on hand and $13b left in credit line. No matter how you cut it that's still sitting pretty flush while being on top of the truck market.
FCA is the best thing that ever happened to Chrysler. Before fiat got them they had terrible products. FCA uped the quality significantly