Kymco is rock solid. Two year warranty. They also sold a millions engines or more to Honda (not only BMW)... The Kymco People GT 300i I have (2016) pulls from 15 mph to over 80 mph (haven't been over 80 as the scooter is still in the break in phase). 16" tires give a smooth ride and she is getting about 65 mpg, with me riding her at 60 to 70 mph all the time. Fit and finish are certainly equal to what the Japanese manufacturers are producing... The Downtown (seen in this video) shares the same engine as my ride, the People Gt 300i... Bergman 400 may offer a bit more than all of these; but the price tag is thousands above these. I researched these (in the video) for a year before buying. The Kymco is the "Value" leader IMO.
Thanks for that. I am very surprised to read that the quality of the Kymco is high and that Kymco has sold engines to Honda - the Honda that is famous for the engines it makes. Man, is that for real?
staninjapan07 Yes, for the most part of Kymco and SYM corporate history they built COMPLETE MOTORCYCLES(CB125, CD125) and put Honda logos on them and ship them all over the world. Search SYM Wolf, that's the exact same bike you can buy 50 years ago as a Honda.
The Honda scoot looks the coolest and you can count on it's reliability. However, when I used to be a part of the scooter world the Kymco scoots had a good reputation on the scooter forums and riders loved them and said they were pretty reliable.
Which one would you have if you bought another? Or if you were looking to ride in a big city and you needed a bike under the 7k mark? Dont say fz-07. That's just too easy lol
I ride an older Kymco xciting 250RI with the dual front disc brakes. This older engine was replaced with the 300 engine in this test. I found that the intake is seriously choked down, perhaps to meet emission regulations. So I drilled four .250" dia holes in the filter housing and this made a huge difference in the performance of the bike. The Kymco recommended tire pressures are on the low side and the factory tires just plain suck. I went to Michelins and run higher air pressure. With the holes in the airbox, the better tires and slightly higher tire pressure the scooter handles much better on twisty roads. You have to get used to not having gears to slow the bike down and on twisty roads under hard braking the bike will understeer so you have to plan your turns. Kymco still needs to upgrade some of their materials, especially the waterproof jacketing of the wiring harness and I also used numerous tiewraps to hold the harness in place better. For the price, the Kymco is hard to beat and the drivetrain has no issues at all, except as I noted. I cover large distances on this bike often as much as six or seven hours continuous riding and find it huge fun, much better than my large 650 street bike which is going to find a new owner soon.
I know this vid is a year old, but for future reference, and this goes for all bikes and scooters, could you all please comment on seat comfort as well. The thing is, not everyone can go take a new bike for a day of riding before we buy it. If there is ( like in this comparison ) a particular model that is unanimously bad, , , or great, , , it would be good to know. Love your vids and have watched every one of them.
Got the 2014 Forza (used with only 2000 miles on it!)this year and no one views it as a scooter. The average person is convinced it's a motorcycle. I love it. Good gas mileage, nice under seat storage, can keep up with traffic on the highway, and has a sporty style to it.
I’m leaning towards the Forza, I now ride a 155 cc Yamaha s max scooter, need a little more speed. Also seems the Forza lets you choose where to put your feet. Feet under your butt or knee or way in front, stretch out. My Yamaha only lets me sit one way, same with bv Piaggio. 330 ccSame with my 150 cc Piaggio fly. My burg man 400, years ago had legroom too, I loved that scooter, I’m 66 . Had big bikes. 100 hp. But now I don’t need to go zero to 50 in two seconds. My old 83 Honda v four, Magna 65 cu inch fast bike, I got so many tickets, had to sell it. But yes Bergman has 38 hp, by Piaggio 330 has 33 hp.,, the others have only 22 hp or 24. , but 70 mph is enough, for me.
I bought a used Forza and now have ridden over 3k miles on it. I have rode it all over the freeways and can do 70-72mph all day long. I think its a scooter that has been overlooked somehow. You are correct you can stretch your legs out on this scoot or feet right under you. I will never sell this scooter.
I just bought a 2016 Honda Forza VIN - MLHNF0417G5200066 - Made in Thailand 1/16. Looking forward to having fun on it, getting colder in Pennsylvania. Something I learned, when the the left rear brake lever is pulled, you will hear 2 clicks from the brake lever switch, the 1st click is the brake light and the 2nd click is the start Inhibitor, the Forza will start right up...
I had a Vespa GTS 250 for about three years. I loved everything about it except the seat, which kind of pitched my forward and caused me some discomfort after about 30 minutes of riding.
the forza appeals to me most, with its long wheel base and low seat position, looks very comfortable and sporty, could squeeze through street traffic and can shuttle on the high way no problem, i own a 2002 yamaha majesty and i think its about time for a new reliable scooter, was thinking about the 400 majesty but i will have to test ride that forza 1st
I'm over six four and I fit on the Citycom comfortably. That is uncommon with scooters, even big ones. Also the floppy front is due to a poor choice of front tire. A Michelin on the front solved that problem. I did 3300 km in the mountains of British Columbia in a weeks ride and with the good weather protection it was fun. When I was riding, I rode it more than my big bikes.
*in america scooters are a pastime..in india we go to school,college,work,dates,markets,malls,and carry our families on them ..they're our Ford F 150s ..i dont know if thats a good thing or not*
I think that would be an awesome experience to have here in the states. I currently ride a 2011 Vespa 150ie LX. I live in Central California. Its top speed is 65, but it cruises 55-60 comfortably. All my co workers are Harley Davidson motorcycles riders. I prefer style, great mpg and twist and go over having a clutch. I will admit though that I am the only one around with one. I haven't seen another Vespa around my city in a Looong time. It would be nice to see some Vespas or scooters for that matter. Suzuki burgman is what I see around here and Honda PCX. But Vespa.. I'm a lone wolf Rider.
Yes, here in the US scooters and bicycles are thought of as toys, rarely as practical transportation. I ride my motorcycle if I'm going any real distance on highways, but around town or commuting 10 miles to work a scooter is practical and fun.
I think a lot of that may be because of the population difference between our countries. It's simply much easier to fit a lot of smaller vehicles on the roadways. Also, scooters are much more affordable than large vehicles. I would like to see more motorcycles and scooters on the road here.
Difference in power between the lowest powered (Vespa) and the highest powered (Piaggio) scooter here is literally 50%, and it wasn't mentioned even once. There's a huge performance difference between some of these scooters. All of them being in the 300cc category means very little. This review to me says "yeah, they're all scooters, they're all good, buy what you like". Wish you'd put some more effort into it.
I hate it when they have people who don't regularly ride scooters reviewing scooters. "This thing can really go"... wow, such a precise comment to make. (/sarcasm) Do we really have to waste time with "reviewers" being amazed how you can actually ride a scooter on a highway? Not to mention absurd statements like "the Vespa can go 85-90 mph"... on what planet? Or nuggets like "it can zip around town and go to the store." No, really? You can actually go to the store on a scooter?
Among the twenty or so bikes I've owned over the years, I have owned two Kymcos, they are reliable, stylish, and smoooooth as silk with the bigger wheels. They were 50cc bikes and more fun than most of the toys I've had. I now own a Suzuki Burgman 650 which is a beast and a great maxi scooter. But the Burgman is HEAVY. I am looking to go back to the Kymco People model, but in a 125cc or 250cc engine. Ohh, and I also have a Hayabusa, (hence my screen name). That thing is a rocket, lol. Stay safe out there fellas.
Thx guys for the video. I am a new subscriber to this channel and haven't seen many vids yet. quick couple of questions, I am also here in southern California and noticed several times in this video, you guys traveling down the 🚲 bicycle lane. is this legal here in California/ Los Angeles? or can you get pulled over and ticketed? I am riding a mid size looking scooter with a 150cc motor. ty in advance for your reply.
I guess I thought that was the more successful food and document delivery guys. Not arguing, but I guess i haven't had the same experiences in NYC. I'll keep my eyes open more. Thx for the reply.
Imho ABS is very important for any motorcycle and small displacement scooters usually target newer riders, so that's a plus for the Vespa. It is also the most iconic and stylish. That being said its price goes dangerously close to serious commuter bikes like the CB500 and NC750. If you just want a small scooter for transportation, get the cheapest one. If you really want a nice small scooter I think it's the Vespa vs. Forza - classic vs modern. Otherwise just get a CB500 - it won't get much worse mpg and is a real motorcycle.
Luckily, lot's of Vespa's available second hand (at least in Europe). Since the GTS model is so popular, lots of addons available. And a pretty solid block. Replace, oil, rollers, belt,... at scheduled intervals and it just goes and keeps going...
I had a 2007 Vespa gt250i. It looked just like the blue one that they had here except mine was red. I had a top speed of 96 mph but it began to become unstable at that speed. Which really no one needs to be going that fast on a scooter anyway. I was on the interstate and just wanted to see what it would do. The motor is awesome on that thing especially considering it's size. It was a lot of fun to ride and I was getting about 65 to 70 mpg. The only thing I didn't like about it was the seating position. It was to short for me and I'm only 5'9". I had to slide my butt back onto the passenger part of the seat to stretch out my legs. That's going on a fairly long ride about 100 miles or so. If you were only going around town it would be fine.
@@PalacinkyPDX your right never knew of the mistake until you noticed it. Thank you for that. By the way I own a 2016 Kymco People Gti 300 love that Scooter. th-cam.com/video/hZrKc6sFH40/w-d-xo.html
For the novice in us, what is the reason scooters exist? A less expensive, easier to ride Motorcycle replacement? I don't see them anywhere on the east coast, Boston to Miami. I see them all over in Europe, But my assumption was fuel cost there was the big driver for sales?
Manhattan is full of scooters. From cheap beat-up ones restaurant delivery uses to Vespas. I see younger office vorkers in their suits on Vespas very very often during rush hour. Vespas are left parked curbside at night everywhere.
Yes, basically? I'm european, so very used to seeing these around. In fact, when i was a kid, i had several of them. I haven't owned a scooter since i was 16, but have driven many, either from friends but especially for work, either deliveries or just for going about in town. Dude, for european cities, small scooters are the bomb. The fact that you don't have to shift gears makes them a peach around town. These bigger ones are for people that want something a little bit larger and more powerful for commuting, as they're as powerful as another motorcycle with a conventional gearbox, but users don't have to worry about shifting when hitting traffic. A lot of people just have a scooter as their motorcycle and they use them as any other motorcycle. The fact that it's a CV transmission makes it more appealing to some people, not less. Not for me, but i can see the appeal in comfort and practicality.
***** Ah, yes I agree they are all over Europe and I do see lots in Frisco. Appreciate the no shift comment. I too am surprised they are not more prevalent in warmer east coast cities. Would seem a natural in Miami as example.
+komalthecoolk i owned a 110 cc TVS Wego, was the most well built reliable scooter i have ever owned,and i wonder why don't the indian industry produce something with the same quality but more of maxi style 250 cc+ ... would dominate the world market in my opinion
muhammad salem No one would buy 250+ cc stuffs because its fuel consumption will be high... We prefer good mileage scooters... Else they get bikes for themselves.
The Beverly does not have the biggest wheels in the test. It has 16" front and 14" rear. The SYM has 16" at both ends. These guys seem determined to ignore the SYM and mention it as little as possible. Perhaps if it had an Italian name on it and cost $2000 more they would like it more.
I did a 2000 mile trip with a 2009 Sym Citycom 300i in 2019. They’re very reliable, easy DIY maintenance, and tall for visibility. If my scooter ever dies, I’m definitely replacing it with another Citycom. It would be nice if they made a 500cc version for that extra top speed when needed
@@tristane4867 Even 400cc would be nice, since the S300 is really 278cc (a bit less on the older pre-S models. I've been interested in the CityCom for quite a while. the only thing that's stopped me from buying one is that the only dealer anywhere close to me is an hour away and they don't actually have anything SYM in stock except for the signs on the showroom walls. If you ask about the CityCom they look at you strangely and try to sell you an $8500 Vespa. I could never depend on them for SYM parts or warranty work. I do have KYMCO dealers nearby but KYMCO has stopped selling the People 300 (and the Xciting 400) here in the US.
Scooter prices seem way off. You can get a grom for the price of a ruckus, or a ktm Duke 390 for cheaper than a vespa. The storage on these bikes is much better than their motorcycle equivalent, and having no clutch is what some folks prefer. Some day here, honda will bring out an all electric scooter. That's what is really needed I think. I'm sure it's in the works.
I understand standard better because of carpenter work in the past but everyone else uses metric and it's a far more easier way to learn. I kinda agree with you, for that reason. I have to get my metric tape measure out cause I am so used to standard measurements, that I have a hard time judging the size in my mind. It took me 1 youtube video to understand metric but it took me studying and a construction class to understand standard measurements. 16th, 8th, quarter, half, and 1 inch, compared to counting each line for millimeters and 1 centimeter is just each big line with a number, similar to the inches. Metric can be learned just by saying that. 1 meter is 3 feet, so that's easy for me to judge the size in my head. I think we should all go by 1 measurement, and then that would be easier for everyone, but life is complicated and we have to be different, just to make us have to translate stuff from one to another. If I used metric all the time, I would be used to it and be more understanding of the size or speed of the object. Hopefully one day people will come to an agreement and use metric only. Until then, we will have to do the math or translate everything to what we are used to.
@@KrunchyJD ooo, so standard measurements were used by everyone at some point and metric came out? This is what I love about the internet, I learn alot more than I would, if I went to school. I am going to read more about this. Thanks. 😁
@@Spanky8402 The world uses metric because everything is based around 10. It's far easier to calculate things in metric, that's why it's used in science. It is simple, and exact. Aside from the USA and Myanmar, everyone uses metric. Based on your argument we should forget motorcycles and go back to carrying sticks.
It seemed to be all over the place...not straight down the line, what do you think of this bike, then this one. It was a lot of random thoughts. Still, fun to watch.
I would be glad if bike reviewer would talk more about the technical aspect of the bike, after all we know that for scooter require yearly full servicing and will be good to talk about the value for money part. I don't think there is so much to talk about the comfort level, handling, weight...practically the value to upkeep this bike is more of a concern for scooter bike...
It once cost me 1400 to repair a broken down Honda Forza at 24,000 miles or 3 years of having it. It was weeks after a 400 mile drive. All maintenance was done except there was a accident that I had that was the cause of breaking down. Took 4 mechanics & two of the going out of business to finally fix the bike. Cost came out cheaper as the first two mechanics did work on the bike but never charged me.
I was really looking at a burgman 650 and my reason for not getting a scooter (I really want an automatic touring bike) I found the wheels too small. Potholes are a real issue in Quebec, also no knee controle, my 2 cents
*Uh...if I have to go over 60 on a freeway...it's time for the CAR!* *You have zero fuckin' chance of avoiding anything doing close to 80 in heavy traffic...I don't want to die or get fucked-up just to prove a point of 'How fast I can go?'*
I come from the same place of thought of seeing scooters as the "cheap" motorcycle... and I say cheap in a practical way. I mean for $6k you could buy a pretty solid motorcycle and just slap on side baggage for the storage capacity. I personally got a scooter for $800 and made it my little project bike. I LOVE the thing and now would definitely consider buying a Honda PCX150 for $3k... but a Forza for nearly twice the cost?? No way. Rather have a CBR
The Kawasaki J300 is basically a restyled Kymco, built by Kymco. I sat on a Kymco X-Town 300 at a dealership recently and found I was sitting so far forward I could never ride it comfortably. Too bad, because this was a new 2019 marked down to $3600. It seems like almost every scooter I've ever ridden has that problem. I guess the scooter makers don't really expect to sell enough scooters in the US market to make them fit the average US rider?
A pronunciation tipp: it's Pee-ah-jo (the "i" is silent, its only purpose is to soften the "g"). So, Pee-ah-gee-oh is just wrong and hurts Italian speeking people.
It's great to see Motorcycle.com representing the female segment and views by having zero female riders for this comparison, even in a segment that has a large female ridership. Keep up the great work for keeping this a male-only activity. [comments made in a sarcastic tone] I would get the Vespa because it's the only one that looks good and is a lot of fun. As a guy, it's also the one more women will be attracted to. For people asking why get a scooter vs a "real" motorcycle, the answer is simple - automatic transmission and built-in secured storage. Let's see how tired your left hand gets from the constant pulling and holding of the clutch. For city/urban riding, it's much better (overall) than a "real" motorcycle (and that includes the Honda Grom).
Piaggio beverly 500 i have this skuter, the best skuter, power, stability whit the big feat tiers, a drive all the skuzers also the Beverly 250 but from 100km he hat no more power, the 500 is a beast from 100km i give gas on the highway and in par seconds i past by, grateful power 42horse powers the 250 hat 20, a Girl Bike the sound from the 500 the seeds, and stability one off the most stabile bikes a think not on skuters, he is so Balanced everybody ho have now how big is the deference when you will a skuter that can you whit pure power from a nasty situation help, when you will ste best skuter for drive iy with my was 180km top speed, but in the hills and in town you drive him always be the first the 1 look neverbody will say hej this is a 500, closer when you the sound the exorsion yoi you see ao yes is a best, i will make a video my from 0 to 100km in 4,8seconds, whit shell power gasoline 4,5 i have 74kg majby is that the reason, 35years a drives bikes but the beverly 500, is the total package, power, very much power, the nummer one, STABILITY, IN THE VIDEO I WILL A VERY HARD TO DRIVE WHIT CURVED ALLMOST WHIT session for 120-140km, So many videos but, i will show what everyone interested speed, stability in the curves, you will see you up down, all for the bike, how fast my beverly 500ie is, maybe i am light and that make the difference, my go we a rocket, my drivingskills learn how when you brake for the curve, Beverly 500 is a Bike and the most powerful Skuter, the best Piaggio is Nummer one, The Police have Beverly 500 wy, the best, most powerful and QUALITY, AND THE BEST GASOLINE AJ ONLY SHELL POWERGAS AND THE BIKE WHIT MY74KG YOU WILL SEE WHAT IS A BEVERLY 500 IN A REAL TEST .
Had a SYM for over 4 years 22,000km of pure city riding (Sydney) Had zero issues just normal servicing and tyres. Bullet proof in my experience.
Could you guys do more with scooters.
Kymco is rock solid. Two year warranty. They also sold a millions engines or more to Honda (not only BMW)... The Kymco People GT 300i I have (2016) pulls from 15 mph to over 80 mph (haven't been over 80 as the scooter is still in the break in phase). 16" tires give a smooth ride and she is getting about 65 mpg, with me riding her at 60 to 70 mph all the time. Fit and finish are certainly equal to what the Japanese manufacturers are producing... The Downtown (seen in this video) shares the same engine as my ride, the People Gt 300i... Bergman 400 may offer a bit more than all of these; but the price tag is thousands above these. I researched these (in the video) for a year before buying. The Kymco is the "Value" leader IMO.
Thanks for that.
I am very surprised to read that the quality of the Kymco is high and that Kymco has sold engines to Honda - the Honda that is famous for the engines it makes.
Man, is that for real?
staninjapan07
Yes, for the most part of Kymco and SYM corporate history they built COMPLETE MOTORCYCLES(CB125, CD125) and put Honda logos on them and ship them all over the world. Search SYM Wolf, that's the exact same bike you can buy 50 years ago as a Honda.
The Honda scoot looks the coolest and you can count on it's reliability. However, when I used to be a part of the scooter world the Kymco scoots had a good reputation on the scooter forums and riders loved them and said they were pretty reliable.
CycleCruza quick help needed. Im looking to buy a second hand Kymco 500. 8000 km on the clock for 1600€. Thoughts?
Which one would you have if you bought another? Or if you were looking to ride in a big city and you needed a bike under the 7k mark?
Dont say fz-07. That's just too easy lol
@@stumftim good value
I ride an older Kymco xciting 250RI with the dual front disc brakes. This older engine was replaced with the 300 engine in this test. I found that the intake is seriously choked down, perhaps to meet emission regulations. So I drilled four .250" dia holes in the filter housing and this made a huge difference in the performance of the bike. The Kymco recommended tire pressures are on the low side and the factory tires just plain suck. I went to Michelins and run higher air pressure. With the holes in the airbox, the better tires and slightly higher tire pressure the scooter handles much better on twisty roads. You have to get used to not having gears to slow the bike down and on twisty roads under hard braking the bike will understeer so you have to plan your turns.
Kymco still needs to upgrade some of their materials, especially the waterproof jacketing of the wiring harness and I also used numerous tiewraps to hold the harness in place better. For the price, the Kymco is hard to beat and the drivetrain has no issues at all, except as I noted. I cover large distances on this bike often as much as six or seven hours continuous riding and find it huge fun, much better than my large 650 street bike which is going to find a new owner soon.
I know this vid is a year old, but for future reference, and this goes for all bikes and scooters, could you all please comment on seat comfort as well. The thing is, not everyone can go take a new bike for a day of riding before we buy it. If there is ( like in this comparison ) a particular model that is unanimously bad, , , or great, , , it would be good to know. Love your vids and have watched every one of them.
COYOTE ADVENTURES always piaggio the best
All the scooters in the 300cc category have very comfortable seats, you will not be disappointed
Got the 2014 Forza (used with only 2000 miles on it!)this year and no one views it as a scooter. The average person is convinced it's a motorcycle.
I love it. Good gas mileage, nice under seat storage, can keep up with traffic on the highway, and has a sporty style to it.
I currently have a Tao Tao Lancer 150, and am seriously thinking about getting the Forza. I love the way it looks, and it's a Honda. Nuff said.
I’m leaning towards the Forza, I now ride a 155 cc Yamaha s max scooter, need a little more speed. Also seems the Forza lets you choose where to put your feet. Feet under your butt or knee or way in front, stretch out. My Yamaha only lets me sit one way, same with bv Piaggio. 330 ccSame with my 150 cc Piaggio fly. My burg man 400, years ago had legroom too, I loved that scooter, I’m 66 . Had big bikes. 100 hp. But now I don’t need to go zero to 50 in two seconds. My old 83 Honda v four, Magna 65 cu inch fast bike, I got so many tickets, had to sell it. But yes Bergman has 38 hp, by Piaggio 330 has 33 hp.,, the others have only 22 hp or 24. , but 70 mph is enough, for me.
I bought a used Forza and now have ridden over 3k miles on it. I have rode it all over the freeways and can do 70-72mph all day long. I think its a scooter that has been overlooked somehow. You are correct you can stretch your legs out on this scoot or feet right under you. I will never sell this scooter.
Uggm I.
No mention of the Yamaha XMAX. Kinda weird, considering it's the direct competitor to the Honda Forza.
I don't think the XMAX existed yet in Feb. 2015 when this was published.
I just bought a 2016 Honda Forza VIN - MLHNF0417G5200066 - Made in Thailand 1/16.
Looking forward to having fun on it, getting colder in Pennsylvania.
Something I learned, when the the left rear brake lever is pulled, you will hear 2 clicks from the brake lever switch, the 1st click is the brake light and the 2nd click is the start Inhibitor, the Forza will start right up...
I had a Vespa GTS 250 for about three years. I loved everything about it except the seat, which kind of pitched my forward and caused me some discomfort after about 30 minutes of riding.
The Beverly is the best bike here hands down
I like the kymco as well
the forza appeals to me most, with its long wheel base and low seat position, looks very comfortable and sporty, could squeeze through street traffic and can shuttle on the high way no problem, i own a 2002 yamaha majesty and i think its about time for a new reliable scooter, was thinking about the 400 majesty but i will have to test ride that forza 1st
I think it would be nice to see a new version of the Aprilia Scarabeo 500ie or Piaggio's BV 500, what you guys think ?
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Great video! I'm loving my Yamaha SMAX 150, but looking to upgrade to a 300. The XMAX looks like my next bike!
I'm over six four and I fit on the Citycom comfortably. That is uncommon with scooters, even big ones. Also the floppy front is due to a poor choice of front tire. A Michelin on the front solved that problem. I did 3300 km in the mountains of British Columbia in a weeks ride and with the good weather protection it was fun. When I was riding, I rode it more than my big bikes.
Yeah sym is a good company
One of the good things also about the Vespa is if you get a flat tyre all you have to do is take off 6 nuts swap the spare over and of you go so easy.
Belmont Shores area of Long Beach. We had a house that was less than a 3 minute walk from where you guys were sitting and talking.
I got a Vespa GTS 300 and I love it :)
Do you get on the highway? Do you feel safe?
*in america scooters are a pastime..in india we go to school,college,work,dates,markets,malls,and carry our families on them ..they're our Ford F 150s ..i dont know if thats a good thing or not*
I think that would be an awesome experience to have here in the states. I currently ride a 2011 Vespa 150ie LX. I live in Central California. Its top speed is 65, but it cruises 55-60 comfortably. All my co workers are Harley Davidson motorcycles riders.
I prefer style, great mpg and twist and go over having a clutch. I will admit though that I am the only one around with one. I haven't seen another Vespa around my city in a Looong time. It would be nice to see some Vespas or scooters for that matter. Suzuki burgman is what I see around here and Honda PCX. But Vespa.. I'm a lone wolf Rider.
I have 3 scooters and a Harley. The Harley is great but to just run around town, I take one of the scooters every time.
Yes, here in the US scooters and bicycles are thought of as toys, rarely as practical transportation. I ride my motorcycle if I'm going any real distance on highways, but around town or commuting 10 miles to work a scooter is practical and fun.
I think a lot of that may be because of the population difference between our countries. It's simply much easier to fit a lot of smaller vehicles on the roadways. Also, scooters are much more affordable than large vehicles. I would like to see more motorcycles and scooters on the road here.
@@Mike.L. not just the overpopulation. We're not rich enough to drive. Gas retails at a dollar fifty a liter now . I've already booked my new bicycle.
Difference in power between the lowest powered (Vespa) and the highest powered (Piaggio) scooter here is literally 50%, and it wasn't mentioned even once. There's a huge performance difference between some of these scooters. All of them being in the 300cc category means very little. This review to me says "yeah, they're all scooters, they're all good, buy what you like". Wish you'd put some more effort into it.
those are the same company
Totally agree
And yamaha's xmax? It looks better than all of those for starters... is it even available in the us?
I hate it when they have people who don't regularly ride scooters reviewing scooters. "This thing can really go"... wow, such a precise comment to make. (/sarcasm) Do we really have to waste time with "reviewers" being amazed how you can actually ride a scooter on a highway? Not to mention absurd statements like "the Vespa can go 85-90 mph"... on what planet? Or nuggets like "it can zip around town and go to the store." No, really? You can actually go to the store on a scooter?
I wish motorcyclist had test ridden the scomadi 125cc, because “scootering ‘ forgot to mention ….it don’t handle
2:54 Why would you need to go above 70mph, let alone 80?
why would you need to go 70 mph well if your on the free way the speed limit is 75 here in Florida
yes they are look at the t max its a scooter or look at the Suzuki Burgman 650 cc and they are meant for traveling on inter states
John Stots if you look up vespa motor sports on youtube they want on vespa from california to mexico city and back over 800 miles
Sometimes you just feel the need.
Among the twenty or so bikes I've owned over the years, I have owned two Kymcos, they are reliable, stylish, and smoooooth as silk with the bigger wheels. They were 50cc bikes and more fun than most of the toys I've had. I now own a Suzuki Burgman 650 which is a beast and a great maxi scooter. But the Burgman is HEAVY. I am looking to go back to the Kymco People model, but in a 125cc or 250cc engine. Ohh, and I also have a Hayabusa, (hence my screen name). That thing is a rocket, lol. Stay safe out there fellas.
Always fun when you realize this video was filmed about 4 walking minutes away from your apartment
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we almost lost a friend here :(
Thx guys for the video. I am a new subscriber to this channel and haven't seen many vids yet. quick couple of questions, I am also here in southern California and noticed several times in this video, you guys traveling down the 🚲 bicycle lane. is this legal here in California/ Los Angeles? or can you get pulled over and ticketed? I am riding a mid size looking scooter with a 150cc motor. ty in advance for your reply.
The Honda and Vespa/Piaggio are the Scooter experts. Why is Yamaha not included?
I guess I thought that was the more successful food and document delivery guys. Not arguing, but I guess i haven't had the same experiences in NYC. I'll keep my eyes open more. Thx for the reply.
Imho ABS is very important for any motorcycle and small displacement scooters usually target newer riders, so that's a plus for the Vespa. It is also the most iconic and stylish. That being said its price goes dangerously close to serious commuter bikes like the CB500 and NC750. If you just want a small scooter for transportation, get the cheapest one. If you really want a nice small scooter I think it's the Vespa vs. Forza - classic vs modern. Otherwise just get a CB500 - it won't get much worse mpg and is a real motorcycle.
i don't know about that.... seems a bit stretched.
Vespa is the most beautiful, no doubt!
Yeah, if you got the bag and earrings to match the Vespa. LOL
hujimix of course, you don't buy it pink
hujimix it cost 3 grand in the UK, that's true Vespa is quite expensive!
In Denmark the Vespa cost 9.977us $
Luckily, lot's of Vespa's available second hand (at least in Europe). Since the GTS model is so popular, lots of addons available. And a pretty solid block. Replace, oil, rollers, belt,... at scheduled intervals and it just goes and keeps going...
I had a 2007 Vespa gt250i. It looked just like the blue one that they had here except mine was red. I had a top speed of 96 mph but it began to become unstable at that speed. Which really no one needs to be going that fast on a scooter anyway. I was on the interstate and just wanted to see what it would do. The motor is awesome on that thing especially considering it's size. It was a lot of fun to ride and I was getting about 65 to 70 mpg. The only thing I didn't like about it was the seating position. It was to short for me and I'm only 5'9". I had to slide my butt back onto the passenger part of the seat to stretch out my legs. That's going on a fairly long ride about 100 miles or so. If you were only going around town it would be fine.
how about a link to the article on your website then
Which scooter is the best for long distance trips?
What is Yong Yea doing here?
Forza is best hands down
I wonder why the didn't include the Kymco People GT300i, or the Honda SH 300i ?
The Honda SH 300i has never been imported into the US.
@@PalacinkyPDX your right never knew of the mistake until you noticed it. Thank you for that. By the way I own a 2016 Kymco People Gti 300 love that Scooter. th-cam.com/video/hZrKc6sFH40/w-d-xo.html
For the novice in us, what is the reason scooters exist? A less expensive, easier to ride Motorcycle replacement? I don't see them anywhere on the east coast, Boston to Miami. I see them all over in Europe, But my assumption was fuel cost there was the big driver for sales?
Manhattan is full of scooters. From cheap beat-up ones restaurant delivery uses to Vespas. I see younger office vorkers in their suits on Vespas very very often during rush hour. Vespas are left parked curbside at night everywhere.
dmitriy40 *workers
Yes, basically? I'm european, so very used to seeing these around. In fact, when i was a kid, i had several of them. I haven't owned a scooter since i was 16, but have driven many, either from friends but especially for work, either deliveries or just for going about in town. Dude, for european cities, small scooters are the bomb. The fact that you don't have to shift gears makes them a peach around town. These bigger ones are for people that want something a little bit larger and more powerful for commuting, as they're as powerful as another motorcycle with a conventional gearbox, but users don't have to worry about shifting when hitting traffic. A lot of people just have a scooter as their motorcycle and they use them as any other motorcycle. The fact that it's a CV transmission makes it more appealing to some people, not less. Not for me, but i can see the appeal in comfort and practicality.
***** Ah, yes I agree they are all over Europe and I do see lots in Frisco. Appreciate the no shift comment. I too am surprised they are not more prevalent in warmer east coast cities. Would seem a natural in Miami as example.
True not so much on the east coast, guess im just one a very few im on the east coast Baltimore Md.
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So Thai Long Ly are you going to trade in your street triple for a scooter now? :P
You should come to India and you'll be surprised by the tons of variety of the sub-200-cc scooter market :)
+komalthecoolk i owned a 110 cc TVS Wego, was the most well built reliable scooter i have ever owned,and i wonder why don't the indian industry produce something with the same quality but more of maxi style 250 cc+ ... would dominate the world market in my opinion
+muhammad salem there was one such scooter called "Flame". didn't go well with the masses because Indians are very budget/mileage conscious.
^ you probably meant Kinetic Blaze. It was market failure, but a great scooter.
muhammad salem No one would buy 250+ cc stuffs because its fuel consumption will be high...
We prefer good mileage scooters...
Else they get bikes for themselves.
A sneaky little drag race would have been good ....
What jacket is Scott Staffstall wearing?
Never-mind, I think I figured it out. It's the Dainese Street Rider Jacket.
80 mph...? On a Vespa ?
Little Bigman yes I have a 2009 250 super and have had it on the highway and was able to hit 80mph
The GTS has the look of the smaller Vespas, but it actually has a little get up and go
The Beverly does not have the biggest wheels in the test. It has 16" front and 14" rear. The SYM has 16" at both ends. These guys seem determined to ignore the SYM and mention it as little as possible. Perhaps if it had an Italian name on it and cost $2000 more they would like it more.
I did a 2000 mile trip with a 2009 Sym Citycom 300i in 2019. They’re very reliable, easy DIY maintenance, and tall for visibility. If my scooter ever dies, I’m definitely replacing it with another Citycom. It would be nice if they made a 500cc version for that extra top speed when needed
@@tristane4867 Even 400cc would be nice, since the S300 is really 278cc (a bit less on the older pre-S models. I've been interested in the CityCom for quite a while. the only thing that's stopped me from buying one is that the only dealer anywhere close to me is an hour away and they don't actually have anything SYM in stock except for the signs on the showroom walls. If you ask about the CityCom they look at you strangely and try to sell you an $8500 Vespa. I could never depend on them for SYM parts or warranty work. I do have KYMCO dealers nearby but KYMCO has stopped selling the People 300 (and the Xciting 400) here in the US.
Mfw my ls650 can barely do 85. In reckon the aprilia 800 would be fun
Vespa GTS won't fit a full size helmet
Your right, it won't. Although, I don't worry about anyone stealing it. I mean, who would steal a sweaty funky helmet anyway?
I was wondering mostly about the bv.. you guys didn't even really touch it thou
the Honda and kymco both have the sports bike look
Ha. I didn’t expect to run into Thai here. I’ve been looking at scooters and ran across this video by chance, and there’s Thai....lol
Scooter prices seem way off. You can get a grom for the price of a ruckus, or a ktm Duke 390 for cheaper than a vespa. The storage on these bikes is much better than their motorcycle equivalent, and having no clutch is what some folks prefer.
Some day here, honda will bring out an all electric scooter. That's what is really needed I think. I'm sure it's in the works.
Looks like you're in LA?
Long Beach. They cruise right by the aquarium
Love a scoot shoot!
Man Troy, you totally shit on that 'handling' comment
Im a motorcycle guy, but i love scooters too, not guna lie lol
Piaggio Berverly 350 is the best. You guys don't really know much about scooters
I'm gonna buy the GT300i within the next six months or less.
The honda is the only one you can have and know its never going to break
Vespa is great but they need a 400cc
look for the bv500 2012 ish !
what buzzy mean?
so where's the NM4 lol, I gotta go to bed
8:27 terrible body position
Vespa GTS 300 gives best smiles per gallon!
Own a bike for a year and you know it
The man at vespa 8:34 looks like Sean connery
The Kymco people 300 it's a nice scooter to
It was a very nice scooter, but here in the US it, and the Downtown 300, have been replaced by the X-Town 300.
I wish, that English speaking youtubers would use metric measurements.
I understand standard better because of carpenter work in the past but everyone else uses metric and it's a far more easier way to learn. I kinda agree with you, for that reason. I have to get my metric tape measure out cause I am so used to standard measurements, that I have a hard time judging the size in my mind. It took me 1 youtube video to understand metric but it took me studying and a construction class to understand standard measurements. 16th, 8th, quarter, half, and 1 inch, compared to counting each line for millimeters and 1 centimeter is just each big line with a number, similar to the inches. Metric can be learned just by saying that. 1 meter is 3 feet, so that's easy for me to judge the size in my head. I think we should all go by 1 measurement, and then that would be easier for everyone, but life is complicated and we have to be different, just to make us have to translate stuff from one to another. If I used metric all the time, I would be used to it and be more understanding of the size or speed of the object. Hopefully one day people will come to an agreement and use metric only. Until then, we will have to do the math or translate everything to what we are used to.
It's only because Americans are stuck in ye old measurements. In Australia we speak English and use metric.
@@KrunchyJD ooo, so standard measurements were used by everyone at some point and metric came out? This is what I love about the internet, I learn alot more than I would, if I went to school. I am going to read more about this. Thanks. 😁
@@Spanky8402 The world uses metric because everything is based around 10. It's far easier to calculate things in metric, that's why it's used in science. It is simple, and exact. Aside from the USA and Myanmar, everyone uses metric. Based on your argument we should forget motorcycles and go back to carrying sticks.
I think I'd get a Grom instead for city fun.
Wao .what beautiful maxi scooter
The host guy seems to hate on Honda, he never talk much about it.
It seemed to be all over the place...not straight down the line, what do you think of this bike, then this one. It was a lot of random thoughts. Still, fun to watch.
I would be glad if bike reviewer would talk more about the technical aspect of the bike, after all we know that for scooter require yearly full servicing and will be good to talk about the value for money part. I don't think there is so much to talk about the comfort level, handling, weight...practically the value to upkeep this bike is more of a concern for scooter bike...
It once cost me 1400 to repair a broken down Honda Forza at 24,000 miles or 3 years of having it. It was weeks after a 400 mile drive. All maintenance was done except there was a accident that I had that was the cause of breaking down. Took 4 mechanics & two of the going out of business to finally fix the bike. Cost came out cheaper as the first two mechanics did work on the bike but never charged me.
They knew is they included the people Gti 300 it would have been all over for the rest of them bikes
shame that you guys dont have yamaha xmax 300
It was the Xmax 250 when this review was done and it wasn't imported into the US.
I was really looking at a burgman 650 and my reason for not getting a scooter (I really want an automatic touring bike)
I found the wheels too small. Potholes are a real issue in Quebec, also no knee controle, my 2 cents
Look at what Honda's building now. Their automatic bikes have expanded into the proper touring range. Africa twin?
time for a new update on motor scooter, to many new update on modern scooters.
Anyone can ride and give an opinion. I appreciate your opinion.
*Uh...if I have to go over 60 on a freeway...it's time for the CAR!* *You have zero fuckin' chance of avoiding anything doing close to 80 in heavy traffic...I don't want to die or get fucked-up just to prove a point of 'How fast I can go?'*
Gilera nexus 300 or 500 the best in class..
Yamaha is killing it with Xmax in my country(Turkey).
Kerem Gülsoy in my country(Italy) as well
67claudius Lots of Xmaxes in Italy? I thought Vespa was king over there.
Mikolaj1406 Tmax is among the most successful of maxi scooters, but the Vespas are everywhere.
I see. Been to Rome few years ago and it's truly a scooter city. Thousands of them everywhere you look. Beautiful city by the way.
Mikolaj1406 I live in northern Italy and also here scooters everywhere. I'm a biker, another planet!!
Forza is wide, kind of like a hoovercraft. I think I like the Burgman 200 better.
3:26 #motorcycleproblems
i noticed that coming, too
Very helpful!
Yamaha tmax hits em alll
For those prices I would just get a motorcycle. This is coming from scooter owner.
get what you pay for. Cheaper scooters are usually not realiable.
Some people don't like or want a motorcycle.
Uncle Jane no kidding, scooters are cool. No shifting, comfortable, great mpg.
I come from the same place of thought of seeing scooters as the "cheap" motorcycle... and I say cheap in a practical way. I mean for $6k you could buy a pretty solid motorcycle and just slap on side baggage for the storage capacity. I personally got a scooter for $800 and made it my little project bike. I LOVE the thing and now would definitely consider buying a Honda PCX150 for $3k... but a Forza for nearly twice the cost?? No way. Rather have a CBR
Scooters are better than a motorcycle. It's just less hassle and more fun. They do everything a motorcycle can do.
dam forza is huge ....
Thats a mobile home not a agile, flickable sccoter.
Fits two full size helmets underneath. Not the best when it comes to lane splitting.
So the last place for price is the cheapest one?
Yeah that's stupid.
Beverly not the most responsive!!??
Vespa way to expensive try a Kawasaki j300 the only fault I found with the Kawasaki j300 is the seating position it pushes you forward
The Kawasaki J300 is basically a restyled Kymco, built by Kymco. I sat on a Kymco X-Town 300 at a dealership recently and found I was sitting so far forward I could never ride it comfortably. Too bad, because this was a new 2019 marked down to $3600. It seems like almost every scooter I've ever ridden has that problem. I guess the scooter makers don't really expect to sell enough scooters in the US market to make them fit the average US rider?
A pronunciation tipp: it's Pee-ah-jo (the "i" is silent, its only purpose is to soften the "g"). So, Pee-ah-gee-oh is just wrong and hurts Italian speeking people.
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I don't think I could. I think I would rather have a KLX250S
It's great to see Motorcycle.com representing the female segment and views by having zero female riders for this comparison, even in a segment that has a large female ridership. Keep up the great work for keeping this a male-only activity. [comments made in a sarcastic tone]
I would get the Vespa because it's the only one that looks good and is a lot of fun. As a guy, it's also the one more women will be attracted to. For people asking why get a scooter vs a "real" motorcycle, the answer is simple - automatic transmission and built-in secured storage. Let's see how tired your left hand gets from the constant pulling and holding of the clutch. For city/urban riding, it's much better (overall) than a "real" motorcycle (and that includes the Honda Grom).
I think Znen Vista 150 drive better on HWY!
Seems like Vespa is best for town and Forza is best for hwy.
Cant. License don't permit me for above 250
Wtf Deuce Bigalow?
wtf wrong with the background music?!?!
long beach
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skuter? skuzers? " Scooter" , " Scooters". The end.
I'm having brain gymnastic just reading you comment.
its not piaggio its beverly just for you all that dont know cuz vespa is also piaggio
Would fit your furry jacket underneath the seat? 🎊 are you a Furby