Joseph Knew 2.0 Part 5 | Book of Mormon Evidence
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- Why is it that we never look for first hand accounts that tell us about those that were the closest to the Prophet Joseph Smith. There's a lot of speculation around the translation of the book of mormon... Did Joseph Smith use a Hat and a Stone? Who said that's how the Book of Mormon Was translated? What did Lucy Mack Smith say, Or even the eldest son, Joseph Smith the 3rd. We take for granted the recorded history that we have access to, so lets find out once and for all. How did Joseph Translate the Book of Mormon???
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The only time I had anything near a faith crisis, was from studying about Moors College at Dartmouth, but I looked at the fruits and remembered what Elder Bednar told me concerning the calling and preparation of prophets. Then Joseph’s character came with more clarity than ever before and I knew that Abraham, Joseph, Moses, and Jesus all likely underwent a process of preparation that people in their ages would also question. Minds, and hearts were prepared, then refined and used the whole way through the process. President Nelson said we must become the principal of revelation, and too many these days rely wholly upon social acceptance rather than truth. Thank you for your research and dedication in this!
you're kidding, right? He told people an angel with a flaming sword commanded him to sleep with adolescents and married women? He was a con artist and treasure digger. He made a racist book. There's a quote saying he's more important than Jesus. Other quotes are that people lived on the moon.
Please go back to Dartmouth sometime, what an amazing school, and I will bet there's not a historian, archeologist, geologist, or Egyptologist who takes the BoM for anything but make believe.
@@lukegraven7839 nope. Show me where it says that. Where does it say he was commanded to “sleep” with these people? The Book of Mormon doesn’t speak of race, rather it uses the same symbolism of covenants as the Bible’s and ancient texts, but this is a modern ignorant take with a modern lens which stems out of Darwinism which is definitively rooted in racist ideology. There is no quote of anyone ever saying he did more than Jesus Christ, but there is a quote saying he did more than any man except for Jesus Christ. He was a very fertile man yet never had any children and there has never been any evidence of him having children with anyone other than his wife Emma. He was sealed to other women, who had no man who could care for their needs. Most of those who criticized Joseph were themselves guilty of everything they accused Joseph of. I have studied the criticisms against the church and Joseph my whole life and I still hear it everyday, the fact is you are wrong even in your accusations which just shows your ignorance in general. But you have more faith in Joseph Smith than any Latter-Day Saint, and far more has continued to surface which support the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith, no person today with any amount of highly educated teams could produce something as efficient as the Book of Mormon. If he was a con man, he was the most genius con man who never benefited from it, who died for it and has had more good come from this church than any other organization to date and no man has disproven anything, as those “proofs” against him have not held up over time. I dare you to do better.
@@lukegraven7839Luke, kindly go away.
Why do you even care?@@lukegraven7839
Joseph is a prophet of God and that is a firm testimony of mine. You can believe how you want, but just sharing hate or unproven facts doesn't make you very intelligent.@@lukegraven7839
I wouldn’t worry so much about the time. Any interview with Jonathan Neville needs to be at least an hour. He is awesome. Both of you are!
Thanks! Deep info requires time. You can't learn calculus in 15 minutes.
At least an hour! I would listen hour 8 hours of his research!
You two are awesome!!! I am loving these videos! Please keep 'em coming! ❤🙏
You can see more videos of Rod at www.youtube.com/@BookofMormonEvidence
There’s a reason the apostles push us to gain a testimony of The BoM. IF you have a firm testimony of The BoM, it doesn’t matter how it was translated or where the Hill Cumora is.
I'm in New York State now and *_THIS_* is where The Hill Cumorah is.
18:00. 18:50 Edward's Restoration
Sounds like the E's are looking *_beyond the mark_* with their militant Calvanism.
fairly certain there is no hill Cumorah, it's just a made-up place. I could be wrong but hundreds of thousands of people dying in New York would leave thousands of pieces of evidence. Let me know when there's any evidence- they're been searching for 200 years.
Please review Rod’s presentation "Hill Cumorah:Verifications and Realistic Archaeological Expectations" given to the cast members at the Hill Cumorah pageant and then presented again at the Expo. The DVD can be purchased in the Bookstore at www.bookofmormonevidence.org or you can watch it on the streaming website, along with 1,500 additional presentations by over 450 experts and scholars with your subscription.
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@@BookofMormonEvidence There's no evidence, and never will be, it's not gonna happen, sorry it's like an inside joke everyone knows but you....the BoM is just fantasy. hill Cumorah where God's chosen died or whatever didn't happen. I'm not being mean, it same if you believed in Star Wars and I had to tell you that too is fantasy.
I’ve enjoyed watching this series on “Joseph Knew”. I’ve got a second printing of L. E. Hills book that has that Meso map in it that Jonathan was talking about, the book had belonged to my ancestors. I’m really glad that Jonathan exposed the false teachings that are in that book. And also that Joseph Smith III never believed the stone in the hat theory, he believed that the Book of Mormon was translated by the Gift and power of the Holy Ghost by using the Urim and Thummin, and also the book of Mormon didn’t take place in Meso America. At the restoration bookstore here in Independence, we have a book that you can buy called the letters of Oliver Cowdery. In the forward for that book, Joseph Smith, Jr says that Oliver Cowdery was well qualified to write these letters. Why is that? Because Joseph Smith Jr assisted him in writing them. Joseph Smith III had the letters reprinted and put them in book form so all the RLDS saints would know exactly where the Book of Mormon land was and who were the descendants of Lehi on this land, the Native American Indians or western tribes that they were referring to in the 1830’s.
Love you Cheryl. Keep the great information coming.
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I own a copy of the first and second edition. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints also has a copy. Search for ‘LDS Church Catalog,’ then type in the full name: Louis Edward Hills and his three books will appear.
There's a great book by an LDS author that shows that there is perfect harmony between the prophetic statements concerning the garden of Eden being in Missouri and the Old Testament account concerning the garden of Eden. It's called Canaan, Babylon, and Egypt A Comparative Theological Analysis on Creation sold by Eborn Books.
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Rod and Jonathan speak the truth. Read what the scriptures say about the translation. Not one scripture ever mentions a silly stone in a hat. (SITH). JSH 1:35,52,62,75*; Mosiah 28:13, 20; Ether 3:22-23; 4:5; Alma 37:21, 24-25
These 5 videos have been an eye opener...very informative. Testimony building.
Rod and Jonathan, thank you for all this valuable information! I remember being taught about the Mesoamerican setting as I was growing up, and it just always felt off to me.
I love this stuff! Validation of my faith in the book of Mormon.
That's because it is a true, actually history, so there is evidence to discover! Thank you!
Jonathan and Rod, Have either of you written to or asked to meet with the First Presidency or Q12 regarding these issues? What are we going to get as a result of the newly commissioned "history" on the Prophet JS? Are we going to get another"Saints"? The current narrative of Church History that we have, dimnished JS as a prophet for many, including myself. Since listening to you both, my testimony of JS has not only been restored but strengthened. The MesoAmerica and STITH theories are responsible for the loss of many testimonies
I disagree with you about the Mesoamerican theory being the source of a lot of testimonies. One of the loudest fowl mouthed exposed on TH-cam has parents who are big Rod Meldrum fans and she and Rod fist bumped on Mormon Stories.
I've enjoyed learning from Rod and Jonathan and Wayne and so many others over the years about Church History and Book of Mormon Geography. So much of this feels right and true to me. It provides clarity and insight. I've also noticed that in the Christian world channels like Is Genesis History? contain a lot of truth and help me better understand how the bible fits into the history of the world. Recently I ran across a playlist from the Answers in Genesis TH-cam channel called Lost History of North America. It is an attempt by Dr Nathaneal Jeansen to connect traditional Native American histories to Y-chromosome DNA patterns in order to visualize the migration events that shaped pre-Columbian America. It reminds me of how Rod started into the heartland model researching mitochondrial DNA. I think a lot of what he presents dovetails nicely with the Hopewell/Nephite story, and it would be fascinating to connect the earlier Hopewell culture to his work and Native American histories to get a fuller picture of activities on the promised land at least from the time of the Nephites to the present.
Thank you for the videos. I only have one complaint. Rod, you interrupt too much. The conversation is great but not allowing each other to finish can be distracting.
I have a question concerning the ‘Annotated Book of Mormon’ by David Hocking. I was fortunate enough to be able to buy one but they are now out of stock and my daughter and granddaughter would love to buy one. Will they be available again and if so how soon?
Yes, due to the high demand from Deseret Book and online sales during the Christmas season, the Annotated Edition of the Book of Mormon is currently sold out of our stock of the 6th printing. Because of the quality of the books (smyth sewn binding, gold embossing & gilding, full-color processing, etc), they take longer than normal to print, but the next printing, which has neen updated with several additional pages and insights, is scheduled to arrive mid April. We apologize for the inconvenience, but we are now taking pre-orders in our bookstore at www.bookofmormonevidence.org, which will be immediately shipped to you upon arrival. Again, please forgive our inability of having sufficient supply to keep up with demand. We are working hard to remedy the situation and appreciate your patience!
When can we get Jonathan's and others books on Audible? I live in FInland so it's a mess to get stuff here sometimes and I love to listen to the books...Thanks for your consideration!
Making an audio version of this is one of our next steps once we get ahead on some of these videos, we have discussed this and look forward to providing soon! Stay tuned and make sure to subscribe to get updates on the new episodes.
Thank you for sharing the truth over misinformation and dishonesty.
Always!
I think that the Hebrews wrote and read from the back to the front like the Chinese.
Yes, Hebrew is read right to left and from what we consider front to back of a book. Joseph said the Title page, which was the last leaf placed in the plates, which was at the top as he saw them.
Thanks for this information
Let’s not forget that the original language was reformed Hebrew or reformed Egyptian. Meaning it’s a combination of both ancient languages put together. Only a true prophet and seer could have translated the plates
Good point. Joseph led the School of the Prophets to study Hebrew while in Kirtland.
Wow! How is God so patient with scholars who espouse so much falsehood? I'm speaking of those saying Joseph never looked at the plates, nor used the Urim and Thumim, and so forth!!!
Love what you're doing...love the historicity of it...I don't really feel like throwing the baby out with the bathwater on the meso and other theories...maybe in reference to the historicity of the Nephites in the Book of Mormon...but not entirely in context of Jacob 5:14 also Mormon references those that escaped to the south and then we know of Corianton and Hagoth to the north and we know the vikings made it over a couple of times so we can see the real opportunity for the grafting and spreading being played out in a variety of ways...the Maya being connected with the Buddhism also plays well into that also...just curious to see how far and wide a Father's story goes
Jonathan Neville wasn’t entirely accurate about L.E. Hills’ book and theory. Hills’ first map was created in 1917, but it was eventually rejected not by Joseph Smith III, who died in 1914, but by his son Dr. Frederick M. Smith, who had become the third President of the RLDS Church (Joseph Smith the Prophet is considered the first president of the RLDS Church). Dr. Smith had a PhD in Psychology, thus his title. He was a grandson of Joseph Smith, the Prophet. His second cousin, President Joseph Fielding Smith, a grandson of Hyrum Smith, also rejected the Two Cumorah geograohy theory restricted to Central America.
Thank you! Great information.
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I love you guys!
(3 Nephi 8) The volcanoes in ILLINOIS have been dormant 300 Million years. There is no sea for cities to sink into. There is no plans that became mountains. There is 3 dozen volcanoes in Guatemala that could have caused the conditions in (3 Nephi 8). In 1518 Veracruz volcano used to be an island. That area was 105 miles wide sea to sea in 1518.
The Book of Mormon has never been proven or validated by any historian or archeologist. Not one artifact has been found,. The church would have this all over the news if this was true, and there would be evidence by now if the Book of Mormon was true.
The Salt Lake City Spin Doctors have an answer for everything
What is your theory as to why the church is teaching the SITH version. Is it just the biases of the people putting together the curriculum?
Type in President Nelson stone in hat and it should bring you to a 52 seconds video of him demonstrating putting his head in a hat.
@@icecreamladydriver1606 that’s my issue, the video is saying they used the urim and thummim, and Joseph smith said he used the U & T. So why is the church saying he used the seer stone and hat
@@stephenhulbert3567We can sustain them and pray that they get inspiration to lead the church. But it is clear to me through study of history that they are incredibly clueless and often embarrassingly backwards. Our history is like a circus lead by the clowns. So many contradictions, flip flops, and inaccuracies taught by our leaders. Almost immediately upon their deaths, their teaching and life’s work begin to be reinterpreted, filtered, selectively remembered, and swept under the rug in order to support what Brigham called “the new order of things” Very sad.
@@stephenhulbert3567 I have a simple answer but I don't think that our two hosts would like it if I said what I think.
@stephenhulbert3567 The confusion is because academics rely on statements from a few other people who said Joseph used a seer stone placed in a hat to block out light better to see into the stone. I'm sure President Nelson is just relying on the common academic theory. It's not his fault. But I do think that these hosts are correct that the urim and thummin was the main method used for translation.
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The seer stones ARE Urim and Thummim.
No, the Urim-and-Thummim had stones in the breastplate and white or clear stones in the eyepiece, but the seer or peep stones were definitely not the same thing.
@@BookofMormonEvidence Urim and Thummim are seer stones.
You'll have to explain where the city and land of Moroni which sunk into the sea is before I can accept any model. Also where is the West sea into which Hagoth launched ships? Where did Hagoth launch his ships from, the ones that traveled great distances to the north?
Read the Mentinah Archive. You'll find out about Hagoth and much more. This record confirms everything that is in the Book of Mormon.
I confirms very little in my opinion.@@davidbenkert1062
That is a complex question which would take longer than space and time would permit here, but here are some short, incomplete answers to your question without the needed additional explanations.
What constitutes a 'Sea?' Hebrew doesn't differentiate between oceans, lakes or even large rivers in some cases. The word for the Mediterranean Sea, the Dead Sea and the Sea of Galilee in Hebrew is the same word as to the body of water, yet one is a salt water ocean, another a salt lake, and yet another is a fresh water lake. The Nile river has also been called a sea, for example.
There were at least 10 lakes formed or drained in the Heartland of America during the 1811-1812 sequence of earthquakes along the New Madrid fault system. They resulted in many areas subsiding by over 10 feet which caused water to rush into the depressions and forming massive lakes in a few hours, such as Reelfoot lake. Every observation made by the prophet Nephi at the time of Christ's death - 28 in all (see 3 Nephi 8-9) - were observed and experienced by those in the New Madrid region of America's Heartland during this sequence of over 2,000 earthquakes. Rod has a comprehensive 2 hour presentation on it in his 6 DVD series.
The city of Moroni could have been in any one of those depressions and thus 'sunk into a sea' as it were.
The Sea West in our model is Lake Michigan and Rod and others have addressed how the Great Lakes surface levels were higher anciently causing the upper Great Lakes to drain into the Ottawa River basin and out the St Laurence seaway into the Atlantic Ocean near Montreal, Canada today. From there we show that he could have voyaged almost anywhere, across to Europe and later through the Artic ocean to the Pacific, or they could have followed the routes of the 49ers who sailed around South America and then west to Polynesia. It's a deep dive to go through all of that, but that's the basics.
Where are the books available
I ordered them on Amazon
www.bookofmormonevidence.org/bookstore
You started out with a non-truth.
Joseph said he was given Nephite interpreters not the Urim and Thummim.
The Urim-and-Thummim was in the stone box along with the plates, according to historical sources.
Any thoughts on how to reconcile prophets, sears, and revelators teaching that Joseph used the rock in a hat method? If a person can be so fundamentally wrong how does that change the meaning of the previous titles?
It’s a tough one for me too. So odd how SITH gained/maintains momentum.
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Benjamin Winchester
John Burnhisel
Etc.
This is Part 5. But, if you wanted, you could go back and see Part 4.
Scriptures don't lie as you read them with the spirit. Not one scripture says anything about a silly stone in a hat. JSH 1:35,52,62,75*; Mosiah 28:13, 20; Ether 3:22-23; 4:5; Alma 37:21, 24-25
The leaders of the church cannot do everything, so they must rely on others to provide them with good information. As President Nelson has said, good inspiration stems from good information (paraphrased), and information coming from church historians recommended a change in the history that had been accepted for over 150 years. The Brethren don't have time to fact-check everything and thus were incorrectly informed that he used the SITH.
Whwere
Sith theory? 😂
The canonized LDS scripture, D&C 7, completely undermines your arguments about the Urim and Thummim and needing to look at the Gold Plates to " Literally Translate".
There are 11 references to Joseph's use of the Urim-and-Thummim in the revelations given in the D&C, compared with 0 references to his use of SITH (Stone In The Hat) in the translation of the plates.
JSH Ch 1 the Prophet stated he wrote down characters from the plates then translated them using the U&T. The footnote by Oliver Cowdery also states the U&T was used. He also stated the title page was a “literal translation,” from the last leaf of the plates.
@@sreed6220 oh, I agree that Joseph made it clear it was a literal translation, but the specifics on the method are vague. U & T are stones and many of the witnesses to the process say he put the stone/stones in his hat and Translated. Add D&C 7 to the mix and it is obvious that he didn't need to look at the plates to "translate" them. Now even 99 year old Russle M Nelson is looking into hats on video explaining that is the way it was done.
@@franklinanderson9687 Why are you relying on witnesses? There were no witnesses to the translation except for Oliver Cowdery. The Angel Moroni told Joseph Smith not to show the plates and the Urim and Thummim to anyone, unless commanded or he would be destroyed. That's basic Church History in the Pearl of Great Price. Oliver Cowdery was allowed the attempt to translate as noted in D&C 8 & 9 but failed because he didn't work it out in his mind before asking the Lord if it be correct. Thus the famous account on how to receive personal revelation. The headings to those sections states the translation was a revelatory process, not reading from a rock which would be a dictation. Pres. Nelson - in the video - stated that "there were some suggestions on how it was done," not that it was how it was done. Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery were accused of using a rock in a hat while they were living, and rejected it. Thus the footnote in JSH Ch 1 by Oliver Cowdery.
@@sreed6220excellent! Thank you 🙏🏼
Yes, exactly, JS pulled tricks out of a hat.
Joseph Smith is and was a prophet of God.
Ignorant comment
@@riannelson67he was a false prophet
@danilobulseco1064 sorry your cage got rattled Snowflake