I take issue with the assertion that "spec for spec" the Skoda Enyaq is better value than the ID.4 - when I specced up an Enyaq to match the features on ID.4 First Edition, the Skoda came out at £3000 more. So ID.4 for me was an easy choice. I admit I have not checked prices for the series edition cars though as I got my FE before those were announced. I can hardly believe the base series model comes on steel wheels for the price it is! Agree very much with the regen comments, the car is easy to drive and intuitive to use. I have no problem with the haptic buttons on the steering wheel and have never accidently pressed one. The interior is good quality but the colours are not to everyone's taste. The interior is vast and I'm wondering if we could have managed with an ID.3 as the rear seat is not used that much by us. I was looking at crossovers / SUV as we have dogs, so wanted a big boot - I definitely think ID.3 should have been considered. Note to anyone considering an MEB platform car, check the smaller model also as it may have the space you need, the interiors are very spacious on these cars compared to the footprint.
You’re right on the price. We have a large work fleet with ID4/5 and Enyaq and Enyaq coupes and when specced identically, the Škoda’s came out several thousand points more each time. Most recently when I ordered my new car, the ID4 with the spec I wanted was £49k, the Enyaq was £53k and still was missing a few bits that came as standard on the VW.
We can get it for the equivalent of £23,000 here in the US after our tax incentives. The range tops out at the equivalent of about £30,000. Those taxes you guys have are ROUGH.
THANK YOU! Your the only one who shows the back lift and storage of car. Thank you. However I didn’t see a spare tire on this vehicle so not an ideal car to have.
6:50 OPD negates Newton's First Law NOPD - Coasting and Creep mode applies Newton's 1st law to the fullest. It's more efficient and takes less energy to accelerate a vehicle in motion than from rest. Driver involves bringing the vehicle to a stop by applying the brakes. Thus put the brakes and the foot to work. No rusty steel brakes.
Great review Vicky, i've just taken delivery of mine and it a great car. Not sure of the range though. i have only done 170miles and using the Air con drains the battery in this summer heat . PS 1 bad point is the boot opening, for £41K i'd expect an electronic boot opening.
I can see they used the same interior-designer like most other manufactures - I think he`s called Mr. All-Dark? Thats very progressive, forewardthinking and uplifting ;-)
Governments should be funding charger networks and offering zero interest loans, not offsetting private company profit & loss with point of sale cash off-setting, which has led to inflated prices (similar to Stamp Duty holiday in housing). The Scottish gov 0% interest free e-loan which was £35k, now £28k saves around £4K over a 6 year term, cheaper than anything offered by manufacturers.
Review summary - it's not a great EV but as it's German and VW there must be some reasonable plus points. Compared to the new Ioniq 5 it's pretty poor on most important measures.
My main concern is getting any problems fixed, my local VW dealer recently closed. I know that manufacturers can put a lot of pressure on franchises to invest in training and equipment to service new vehicles.
I agree about the touch screen, the new Hyundai Tucson is the same, my 2019 Tucson has physical buttons which much better!! I guess when I come to replace it, I’m gonna have to accept touch buttons, but I would rather not
It looks a good car but why do the designers impose the crazy touch buttons there must be a simple alternative. It would appear that the designers are never the users and this seems as it happens time and time again, I know as I am now on 10th or so VW!
Just a correction for you - as fall as I recall reading about this, it's ONLY the 77kWh battery that can charge at 125kW as standard. The 52kWh battery models are at 50kW as standard, with an option to upgrade to 100kW.
Being a big VW fan (I currently own two and have had five or more in my past) I have to say this effort left me cold. I saw one in person and was offered a test drive but it just didn't impress me enough to accept the option. The interior/exterior was just so-so and the entire design just seemed as if it was rushed and not that well thought out. Like the (US market) Tiguan, it seems to be a car for the masses (focus-group dictated, more or less), delivering all the essentials with no special distinction, flare or style. I think if I was in the market for this size of EV, I would wait for the Ionic 5. That car makes a statement. Another great review nonetheless! You do a great job at CG!
The 1st isn’t available except from dealers at £39-41k, and the lowest price point car from VW configuration is “Life” at £34.5k, but the motor and battery are a downgrade. No wireless charging on the 1st edition, or fancy Matrix front & rear lights, electric seats, electric boot, or glass roof (but you DO get a rear camera). Basically a 1st edition is a “life” entry spec option (£35k) with “family” motor and battery size (£46k). Probably the best balanced value of the entire range, but overall the ID4 is £6k too expensive whatever spec you choose. If it’s power to weight, range and efficiency you’re after then the 1st Edition with heat pump and 19” wheels (option) is the way to go. I’d also argue in reality the Skoda is no different in price vs options (you pay to upgrade the charging speed to only 100kwph), but I feel that VW are taking the piss removing functional components (like boot and lights) instead of designing the underpinnings better and removing cost that way.
I have the same issue with the ID4 that you have. I think the Audi Q4 etron addresses all of the issues, except for range, and that might be the EV I will buy.
Not good enough less miles in the winter and what will happen after multiple Charing in a car over the years will it not hold its charge ! ? What’s the COST of new batteries etc STILL UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. NOT. GOOD. ENOUGH.
In the USA, the ID.4 with 77kW usable battery is only rated by the EPA for 250 miles range. I wonder why the difference? Surely, the glass panoramic roof and power seats with massage feature wouldn't affect range that much.
The difference is in the test method. The US method uses a drive cycle which very transient, and has a higher average speed as well. Even though the EU cycle is much milder, in city driving conditions it is easy to get better range than the listed range, but with mixed driving conditions the listed range is virtually unattainable.
I don't know if you have different pricing in the UK, but I wouldn't say the Enyaq is better value comparing specifikations. Yes the Enyaq is cheaper in its cheapest variant, but if you add similair options and similair battery, I can't see that it's cheaper. And towing 1000 kg, I would say is pretty good for what you usually use the towbar for. Of course you can't tow most caravans, but who would want to in an EV? And efficiency drops significally when towing. And yes I know the Tesla can tow more...
Vw need to offer a trim option without that brown leatherette on family trim. Also I would like to select a build with the cream seats found in Asian and USA markets
I had a test drive of ID4 and found it heavy, dull and soulless drive with really poor interior and infotainment. Beforehand I had really thought it would be contender but would choose Mach E over this everyday. Efficiency looked really poor to was seeing only 2.5 miles per kWh on the test drive.
We’ve had our ID4 for 4 months and love it. I’m a ‘spirited driver’ and would definitely not describe it as “heavy dull & soulless” in fact it’s a blast to drive and much better than the 3 year old Tiguan it replaced. We get around 480 KM’s (298 miles) of range around town and up to 420 KM’s (260 miles) on long motorway trips. Our car has a heatpump so I expect motorway range to reduce to 350 KM’s during winter which is still more than adequate. The infotainment system is a bit buggy but the long awaited ones the air update is being roiled out over coming weeks. Overall, I would highly recommend and I had an eGolf before this for 2 years.
Not interested in Electric cars nor Governments who insist we buy them, as I do not see charging stations being made available at residences - so until that happens I will retain my petrol driven car.
Surely your house IS the 'charging station'...? Obviously, that's if you have off-street parking - though solutions to not having off-street parking are already being rolled out e.g. lamp post charge points. My EV is always fully charged overnight and, even though I'm not on a super-cheap electricity tariff, the cost to 'fuel' my car works out at about 4p per mile compared to around 12p per mile for an ICE vehicle.
Easy to add a 'charging station' in a home residence. I had an electrician install a NEMA 14-50 (240v - 50amp) outlet in my garage. Works great for Level 2 charging my EV. Cost of the outlet? $250 USD.
0 to 60 in 8.5 seconds, crappy interface and £50k price tag. Are reviewers pumping EVs on political grounds alone ? How is this a good buy vs say an Audi Q5 ?
I take issue with the assertion that "spec for spec" the Skoda Enyaq is better value than the ID.4 - when I specced up an Enyaq to match the features on ID.4 First Edition, the Skoda came out at £3000 more. So ID.4 for me was an easy choice. I admit I have not checked prices for the series edition cars though as I got my FE before those were announced. I can hardly believe the base series model comes on steel wheels for the price it is!
Agree very much with the regen comments, the car is easy to drive and intuitive to use. I have no problem with the haptic buttons on the steering wheel and have never accidently pressed one. The interior is good quality but the colours are not to everyone's taste. The interior is vast and I'm wondering if we could have managed with an ID.3 as the rear seat is not used that much by us. I was looking at crossovers / SUV as we have dogs, so wanted a big boot - I definitely think ID.3 should have been considered. Note to anyone considering an MEB platform car, check the smaller model also as it may have the space you need, the interiors are very spacious on these cars compared to the footprint.
You’re right on the price. We have a large work fleet with ID4/5 and Enyaq and Enyaq coupes and when specced identically, the Škoda’s came out several thousand points more each time. Most recently when I ordered my new car, the ID4 with the spec I wanted was £49k, the Enyaq was £53k and still was missing a few bits that came as standard on the VW.
Heat pump should be a standard fit.
One of the best reviewers, Vicky is pretty knowledgeable.
For this I push “subscribe “ :)
Too much camel hoof. 🐫🐪🐫😕
Another super video giving all necessary details with both good and bad points about the ID4 and some very good reasons to buy one.
I really like the styling of these
Love your review's... Bravo!!
We can get it for the equivalent of £23,000 here in the US after our tax incentives. The range tops out at the equivalent of about £30,000. Those taxes you guys have are ROUGH.
20%
Not many female reviewer does a good job but this lady is doing a good job👍
Wow
I agree. Vicky is really good at her job ... maybe the best
The new wave of good electric cars comes out and the government chop the incentive grant.......not saying a word! Nice review though Vikki!
THANK YOU! Your the only one who shows the back lift and storage of car. Thank you. However I didn’t see a spare tire on this vehicle so not an ideal car to have.
I had the Citroen picasso, it was more rounded, my daughters called it the dolphin.
6:50 OPD negates Newton's First Law
NOPD - Coasting and Creep mode applies Newton's 1st law to the fullest. It's more efficient and takes less energy to accelerate a vehicle in motion than from rest. Driver involves bringing the vehicle to a stop by applying the brakes. Thus put the brakes and the foot to work. No rusty steel brakes.
No one pedal driving is a deal breaker. It’s one of the best features of an electric car. It’s baffling that this is not even an option.
Try it, you might like it - B Mode in my eGolf is pretty much one pedal driving.
Great review as expected. However, my real world range experience has been between 250-270 though I’ve only been driving mine for about a month.
Good presentation, sums it all up perfectly, thank you.....
Great review Vicky, i've just taken delivery of mine and it a great car. Not sure of the range though. i have only done 170miles and using the Air con drains the battery in this summer heat . PS 1 bad point is the boot opening, for £41K i'd expect an electronic boot opening.
Do give the cars you review a rating for comparison purposes.
I can see they used the same interior-designer like most other manufactures - I think he`s called Mr. All-Dark? Thats very progressive, forewardthinking and uplifting ;-)
Aims to be a Tiguan. Have you driven both vehicles? The comfort and refined driving of the ID4 feels like a Bentley next to the rough noisy Tiguan!!
Governments should be funding charger networks and offering zero interest loans, not offsetting private company profit & loss with point of sale cash off-setting, which has led to inflated prices (similar to Stamp Duty holiday in housing).
The Scottish gov 0% interest free e-loan which was £35k, now £28k saves around £4K over a 6 year term, cheaper than anything offered by manufacturers.
No @ Dara M
Review summary - it's not a great EV but as it's German and VW there must be some reasonable plus points. Compared to the new Ioniq 5 it's pretty poor on most important measures.
My opinion exactly, Ioniq 5 way better car.
My main concern is getting any problems fixed, my local VW dealer recently closed. I know that manufacturers can put a lot of pressure on franchises to invest in training and equipment to service new vehicles.
I agree about the touch screen, the new Hyundai Tucson is the same, my 2019 Tucson has physical buttons which much better!! I guess when I come to replace it, I’m gonna have to accept touch buttons, but I would rather not
I think you can raise the boot floor to be even with rear seats
Good review. Sums it all up perfectly.
It looks a good car but why do the designers impose the crazy touch buttons there must be a simple alternative. It would appear that the designers are never the users and this seems as it happens time and time again, I know as I am now on 10th or so VW!
Just a correction for you - as fall as I recall reading about this, it's ONLY the 77kWh battery that can charge at 125kW as standard.
The 52kWh battery models are at 50kW as standard, with an option to upgrade to 100kW.
ID.4 58kWh battery charges at 100kW (same as ID.3). The cars stuck with 50kW charging are all Skoda Enyaq (faster charging is an option)
Being a big VW fan (I currently own two and have had five or more in my past) I have to say this effort left me cold. I saw one in person and was offered a test drive but it just didn't impress me enough to accept the option. The interior/exterior was just so-so and the entire design just seemed as if it was rushed and not that well thought out. Like the (US market) Tiguan, it seems to be a car for the masses (focus-group dictated, more or less), delivering all the essentials with no special distinction, flare or style. I think if I was in the market for this size of EV, I would wait for the Ionic 5. That car makes a statement. Another great review nonetheless! You do a great job at CG!
No mention of a spare wheel?
Car testers tend not to understand long term 'practical' needs.
The 1st isn’t available except from dealers at £39-41k, and the lowest price point car from VW configuration is “Life” at £34.5k, but the motor and battery are a downgrade.
No wireless charging on the 1st edition, or fancy Matrix front & rear lights, electric seats, electric boot, or glass roof (but you DO get a rear camera).
Basically a 1st edition is a “life” entry spec option (£35k) with “family” motor and battery size (£46k). Probably the best balanced value of the entire range, but overall the ID4 is £6k too expensive whatever spec you choose.
If it’s power to weight, range and efficiency you’re after then the 1st Edition with heat pump and 19” wheels (option) is the way to go.
I’d also argue in reality the Skoda is no different in price vs options (you pay to upgrade the charging speed to only 100kwph), but I feel that VW are taking the piss removing functional components (like boot and lights) instead of designing the underpinnings better and removing cost that way.
Better than Matt @ Carwow
No
@@louisbeerreviews8964 agree. No
No chance in hell mate.. Matt's sense of humour is unbeatable!
The real-world range for the money, and those damnable touch-sensitive buttons are deal-breakers for an everyday hauler. Next version - maybe.
I have the same issue with the ID4 that you have. I think the Audi Q4 etron addresses all of the issues, except for range, and that might be the EV I will buy.
The buttons really are not a issue, they work fine
Looks good Vicky
The ID4, which uses low-quality Chinese batteries, has very poor battery efficiency. Not recommended.
Good review. Don´t like that trick to make it look like it is not a SUV
Not good enough less miles in the winter and what will happen after multiple Charing in a car over the years will it not hold its charge ! ? What’s the COST of new batteries etc STILL UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. NOT. GOOD. ENOUGH.
Is it known that it has drum brake at the rear wheels ? ! ?
In the USA, the ID.4 with 77kW usable battery is only rated by the EPA for 250 miles range. I wonder why the difference? Surely, the glass panoramic roof and power seats with massage feature wouldn't affect range that much.
If that's the case, it sounds like the US test is simply more accurate (at least on this car)
I usually drive slower when massaged, ergo improved range
The difference is in the test method. The US method uses a drive cycle which very transient, and has a higher average speed as well. Even though the EU cycle is much milder, in city driving conditions it is easy to get better range than the listed range, but with mixed driving conditions the listed range is virtually unattainable.
The Skoda is better looking inside and out in my opinion. Efficiency seems poor on the ID4.
I don't know if you have different pricing in the UK, but I wouldn't say the Enyaq is better value comparing specifikations. Yes the Enyaq is cheaper in its cheapest variant, but if you add similair options and similair battery, I can't see that it's cheaper. And towing 1000 kg, I would say is pretty good for what you usually use the towbar for. Of course you can't tow most caravans, but who would want to in an EV? And efficiency drops significally when towing. And yes I know the Tesla can tow more...
Mach E is NOT more efficient...watch Video (only German) of B.E.N and Dirk Himmelmann and the ID 4 beats Mach E in Efficiency.
Vw need to offer a trim option without that brown leatherette on family trim. Also I would like to select a build with the cream seats found in Asian and USA markets
No
Too expensive and real life range on the autobahn in really bad… also it’s not fast
I had a test drive of ID4 and found it heavy, dull and soulless drive with really poor interior and infotainment. Beforehand I had really thought it would be contender but would choose Mach E over this everyday. Efficiency looked really poor to was seeing only 2.5 miles per kWh on the test drive.
We’ve had our ID4 for 4 months and love it. I’m a ‘spirited driver’ and would definitely not describe it as “heavy dull & soulless” in fact it’s a blast to drive and much better than the 3 year old Tiguan it replaced. We get around 480 KM’s (298 miles) of range around town and up to 420 KM’s (260 miles) on long motorway trips. Our car has a heatpump so I expect motorway range to reduce to 350 KM’s during winter which is still more than adequate. The infotainment system is a bit buggy but the long awaited ones the air update is being roiled out over coming weeks. Overall, I would highly recommend and I had an eGolf before this for 2 years.
8.9 seconds is a let down
Why call it a "crossover" when we know it is a dedicated EV.
"Crossover means an SUV or MPV derived from the regular body, does it not ?
My Audi e Tron can tow 1.8 tons
Why are the touch sceeen so slow. Just slap an iPad in the dash already
Interior quality looks shocking.
shoulders of the car are stolen from Peugeot 3008
Not interested in Electric cars nor Governments who insist we buy them, as I do not see charging stations being made available at residences - so until that happens I will retain my petrol driven car.
Do you mean at individual houses or in a local area?
Why watch this then?!
Surely your house IS the 'charging station'...?
Obviously, that's if you have off-street parking - though solutions to not having off-street parking are already being rolled out e.g. lamp post charge points.
My EV is always fully charged overnight and, even though I'm not on a super-cheap electricity tariff, the cost to 'fuel' my car works out at about 4p per mile compared to around 12p per mile for an ICE vehicle.
Agree. These cars make no sense on acceleration, equipment or price. Let's see who forks £50k for this vaccum cleaner. I'll get an Audi Q5 instead.
Easy to add a 'charging station' in a home residence. I had an electrician install a NEMA 14-50 (240v - 50amp) outlet in my garage. Works great for Level 2 charging my EV. Cost of the outlet? $250 USD.
Electric car and sporty
I doubt they'll sell many of these with the steering wheel on the wrong side of the car...
Isn't that the same girl from driving electric?
0 to 60 in 8.5 seconds, crappy interface and £50k price tag. Are reviewers pumping EVs on political grounds alone ? How is this a good buy vs say an Audi Q5 ?
Fuel cost
Shouldn't have got out with brexit. Getting mine for €37k as I get 5k off due to the spanish government incentive scheme
No way someone will buy this and not Ev6
No heat pump and no granny charger as standard? I wonder how much money VW are loosing on every vehicle?
Way to expensive
Not in motoblity
Interesting how there's no mention of Tesla. Is that a British thing? :)
There was .. highlighted that Tesla acceleration was superior
First (: All what matters
So-so Not that impressive
Congrats VW, you have made the world's most boring car!
It’s not boring
@@louisbeerreviews8964 it is to me, but then most VW's are designed with the head rather than the heart. Glad you like it tho...
Typical VW, awful interior great review though