VW ID.4 v Tesla Model 3 EV Road Trip - efficiency/charging speed/real world range, AND then a RACE!
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Driving a new Volkswagen ID4 1st Edition side by side with a Tesla Model 3 Long Range from Edinburgh to London AND BEYOND!
Efficiency
Real-world range
Charging Speed
Ionity output discrepancy - can anyone explain why?
And then we race home! Surely the Tesla will win?
Can the Tesla manage Leeds to Bournemouth WITHOUT STOPPING?
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Bjorn has shown many times that stopping at 10% and charging to 60% twice is much faster than driving to a very low SOC and going to 90%. A two shortstop strategy is better than one long stop for other reasons as well. Both the comfort of the driver and passengers as well as to avoid issues if a charger fails as there is enough charge for plan B but not if the long drive to a low state leaves you stranded.
I know. I reference that in the video that when we drove up, we had less than an hour of charging and arrived with 30%
@@RSEV Driving an EV requires an F1 team to work out the pit stop strategy 🏎️
@@djwarren5081 You don’t need an F1 team but just some preparation and good sense.
@@patrickgass5707 that counts me out then 😂
@@djwarren5081 It’s easy. Have a large Starbucks coffee before you start and when you need a wee you charge the car at the same time (and get another coffee). Repeat as required. :)
I have owned my id4 for 3 days. And put approx 800km on it. And I can sell my diesel with ease now
For long road trips, I’ll never sell my diesel. For local driving, the electric is superior.
No range anxiety at all?
@@Raggadish. nope. It’s super. Easy Get 440 one charge
@@hawolex2341 im nervous
@@hawolex2341 using my now sold bmw 318d as a reference point, managed 72mpg which would equate to 1,300km range on 1 full tank, yes would cost more, but im still waiting on more efficient higher energy lower cost batteries to come out
The amount of power going into the car isn't exactly the amount the battery gets, it depends how efficient the car is with managing that power. A lot can be lost to heat for example. Bjorn Nyland does some good videos comparing the efficient in that regard! :)
I was surprised to hear that question from the guy who is using BEV for years :).
exactly, plus, Tesla is heating battery, as Bjorn Nyland demonstrated so many times, many cars do that too, so charger must show more energy used than actually went into battery. Bjorn also did a test of charging efficiency (at least it gives a guideline) at various charging speeds, etc.
@@wfm125m Me too. I was truly shocked :) While supercharging there will be always loses.
So the charger reports the energy delivered and the vehicle reports the energy that went into the battery. Sounds right to me as there are some losses associated with the charging process. No surprises here. I expect the amount of energy loss will increase for faster charging rates.
I’m sure reviewer does know about losses, that can be up to 10% between charge delivered/received - he just wants to get the comments flooding in.
I was returning home from visiting my sister last night and stopped at a Tesla V3 supercharger that’s capable of up to 250kW charging. I was at 6% when I plugged in and hit a max rate of 233kW!! In about 10-11 min I was at 50% state of charge. Unplugged and continued my trip. It feels great to see a charging stop come close to a gas fueling stop from a temporal standpoint
What Tesla do you own that can charge that fast for 10+ mins?
@@rjbiker66 I own a 2020 Model 3 and it’s capable of up to 250kW charging rates. I plugged in at a very low state of charge and maxed out at 233kW. I couldn’t believe it myself. Funny thing is that when I plug into the 150kW units, I rarely get close to the full rate of 150kW. It’s possibly because I usually don’t let my car get that low on charge
@@alexc6946 SR+ or LR?
@@rjbiker66 It's the LR Performance model
@@rjbiker66 I have stats for charging at about 230kw in my LR Model 3.
You mentioned a lack of passing power in eco mode. There is a button switch under the gas pedal. If you push the pedal all the way down and get past that switch it will kick it out and give you full power regardless of the mode you have selected.
Great video, regarding discrepancies, it is charging losses. The chargers delivered more than the car took, because some is lost in heat and energy conversion. Conversion of energy from electrical to chemical is not 100% efficient.
Superchargers are not made for charging car up to 100% instead you just charging it for reach next supercharger! That way you will cover the distance much faster
A very professional production. Made me realise that owning an EV is a realistic prospect. What range anxiety!
It comes because you realise that the chargers rarely work.
You need to leave a buffer in the battery
@@Robert-cu9bm I think that keeping the Chargers running is the biggest problem for EVs.
@@Demobot1
People will not convert the whole time the network is unreliable. Especially if they don't have a driveway or have multiple cars.
@@Robert-cu9bm I agree with you. It's nearly impossible to push EVs to the general public that lives in apartments and don't have access to a plug at their residence. Unless the government is going to mandate something along those lines there is a long way to go.
@@Robert-cu9bm Indeed Robert. I've read about people arriving at chargers that don't work. Another reason that folk come to the conclusion that a Tesla with the Supercharger network is currently the best option.
Congratulations, your channel is today, in my humble opinion, among the best for the quality of the information provided 👏🏻
Great real world example, my bladder would have required more stops than those cars actually need. So to be safe, responsible anything that can travel over 3 hrs on a motorway is great really.
Can't charge a car in the time it takes to do a piss though can you?
Strange how all the HGV and business drivers manage to drive 3 hours or more without issues....
Interesting video! Would have liked to see if charging at the Supercharger would have made a difference in the charging times. :)
Should have done a "slash and dash" on the Ionity, then used the V3 at Mansfield. Would have charged fast and had no range/speed issue.
But, this was better than the (stupid) Carwow "run to empty" test.
I completely agree with you
100% agree, I actually feel like this is a disadvantage for Tesla. Ionity chargers are literally owned by Volkswagen and the other automakers, so of course, they are going to be more optimized for their cars. Same with Teslas and their superchargers.
I mean, I don't actually care that much, but I feel like this fact makes the charging competition pretty irrelevant.
@@NormanGaming196 Tesla Superchargers are leagues ahead of ionity. More locations and more stalls each location. And the in-car nav will take you there whenever you need to charge. No faffing with an app or remembering passwords. Just press the button and plug it in.
Yes they could have stopped at the tesla superchargers at the back of the hotel near washington services and the vw could have popped into the services to charge up
13:30 Ionity charge delievered shows A/C usage and other electronics. Inside the car for the Tesla it shows the amount of charge into the battery only. That is the reason why the ionity charger shows a higher armount of KWh delivered
"downhill" doesn't make a difference.
"West" is faster because the earth is rotating under you!!
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Great video Richard! Thanks a lot for taking the time to make it, really professional! I think there's now no disputing there is a real affordable alternative for the average family to go electric. Look forward to seeing the full review.
Thank you. We’ll try and film the full review of the car itself tomorrow
This video really highlights what the EV engineers should be focusing on. They should target ranges that match what people would normally drive before wanting to stop for food or toilet break and faster charging speeds, faster charging speeds faster charging speeds. Did I say faster charging speeds? The IONIQ 5/KIA EV 6/ Genesis GV60 will all have 800V charging. Then range isn't such a big deal. Thanks (from Toronto) for the great video.
The voltage isn't particularly relevant to charging speeds, it's more about the charge curve of the battery, which is set up to balance charge speed against battery degradation. The battery cooling system has a much larger effect.
@@jonathanmelhuish4530 Voltage isn't relevant? Yahhhh, no.
And the ID4 is way more practical and bigger. Also much cheaper (at least in Sweden) Good to see someone else than Tesla making EVs that are effective.
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16:59 Spot the model 3 driver reaching for the gear selector but turning on the wipers instead, haha. I have done this so many times when driving other cars!
I guess you could have been much quicker by including additional one or two short charges for example from 5% to 40% in 15 minutes rather than charging to 100%.
Yea and I comment that we did the drive up with less than hour charging and still arrived with 30% in the Long Range because we made multiple quick stops
What people don't take into account with this method is the several minutes it takes getting off the highway and then back on. Some chargers are RIGHT off the highway which is great but others are 5-10 minutes off and then 5-10 minutes back on. I think the best way to do it is somewhere in-between.
@@AlijahSimon in general the IONITY chargers are located next to highway’s. Tesla chargers are sometimes a bit further away
@@patrickgass5707 I'm in the US and I find that Electrify America (US equivalent of Ionity) and Tesla superchargers are about equal in their distance from off ramps
@@AlijahSimon I am living in France and in Europe Tesla chargers are sometimes a little off the highway (highway’s are privately operated). IONITY might have negotiated a special deal with the highway operators which might explain the high charging costs
Would've liked to see all on day £cost for charging.
The discrepancy between kWh delivered by the charger and the kWh added to the battery (which is what the TM3 shows on its screen) is the energy lost on heat in the internal electronics, cables and internal battery resistance which varies by the current temperature of the cells. Also, most modern EVs use some energy to warm up the battery during charging to be able to increase the charging speed and/or protect the cells.
Really interesting review for the VW ID4. From a practical pov, it is great to have real world 70mph car journeys, and the realistic range achieveable without 'range anxiety' - I can see myself fully EV in the near future - currently self charging hybrid. Thank you.
OMG A TALKING CAR!!!
If you own a Prius, an EV won't save much money if using public charging the entire time.
Thanks, great review! Of course, better comparison would be Model Y vs ID4... apples with apples.
Except regarding price 😜 Then it’s not anymore 🍎 to 🍏
As Model Y isn’t available in UK yet, the 3 and ID4 seems like a fair comparison.
"Let me just check the route, the satnav still thinks I'm in Scotland" 😂
VW at it’s most helpful
Excellent informative and totally useful and practical test and review. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Looking forwar to the follow ups..Stay safe.
When driving EVs, you should drive the speed you want, and charge just enough to get to the next charger. It’s very slow to charge above about 50-60% SOC.
With the etron it isn't, it's just getting warm at 50-60. 😅
@@abraxastulammo9940 That’s true, but you also need the higher SOC to reach the next charger;)
@@TheSteinbitt I hear VW supports the rollout of lots and lots of BP stations with HPC (Aral in Germany).
Yes, the ID.4 still charges at around 100 kW at 50%, which ramps down to around 65 kW at 73% (and then it stays at 65 kW until 83%).
@@abraxastulammo9940 yep!
Crazy how much better the Tesla is in efficiency - and the new ones are even more efficient! Shows the competition still has a long way to go
Efficiency difference in this case stems from the shape & size of the car, nothing "crazy" about it.
ID4 is very close to Model Y (more similar sized) - although Model Y is much quicker and 4WD - will be interesting to see how close VW will be when they have their unified cell and cell to car pack vs Tesla’s 4680 and structural pack. - competition is great for us consumers.
@@scottwills4698 MY should be more efficient (better aero with the sloping back)
@@izpodpolja there are comparison videos on TH-cam from America. There is less than 10% in it.
Which one wins from a comfort and noise perspective?
probably the boring, slow car.
Depends how loud you have your music ;)
Nice vid! You did well with the technicalities.
Great Video! I *think* the 350 kW Ionity chargers need an 800 volt car like the Porsche Taycan. Watts = Amps x Volts. On a 400 volt car (like most EV cars - not sure about the ID4) it will be limited to 175 kW max (430 Amps). I'm not 100% sure, but that's my understanding. A 250 kW v3 Tesla Supercharger can push more Amps, at over 600, but only for a fairly short period of time, and under specific battery state of charge (SoC) and temperatures.
Once you get into the 'rhythm' of EV road trips, the crazy fast charging times matter less than you first think.
And gain this video persuaded me that electric cars are not there yet with full functionality of a car we knew before. I still could do 350-400 miles trip in my petrol car without being bothered looking for petrol station in Highlands, good luck finding a working charger there. And again chargers not working, need an app and registration and even so they do not work etc. Perfect car for commuting and charging at home, not for a long trip and it is not worth a hassle you can have.
Richard and team, another great real-world view video; really informative. You didn't mention how much the IONITY charging session(s) actually cost though? I've seen IONITY units charge as much as £0.61 per KwH. Keep the videos coming, always informative.
250 is Supercharger V3, max on IOnity is 200.
I managed 200 in Germany with my 3P on the autobahn.
Regarding power added: Some cars (like MOdel 3) can heat the car etc through the charger, while charging.
My Kia-Soul-owner mate, who got me in to buying an EV early last year, has always voiced his preference for driving 'normally' and taking more frequent, shorter chargers rather than pushing to the limits of the car's range, then stopping for a longer charge.
In my case, actually, it's more likely to be dictated by 'bladder-range' than how far the car can go, anyway...!! Ha Ha... :-0
Ionity bills you for charging losses. Tesla doesn't.
This isn’t true, at least in the US. My Model 3 always shows less energy going into the battery than what I get billed for. You have to look at the invoice you get for the charging expenses
I've noticed being charged for kw in rather than added ( UK )
And Ionity cost per Kwh is often double than the Tesla super chargers
12:50 Battery charging always have some loses and additional consumption. There will be some waste heat generated due to internal resistance in the battery cell and in cables and fuse and heating / cooling of battery. Also consumption for charging 12 V battery through DC-DC converter, cabin heating and to power computers and electronics.
Another point is where is energy displayed on charger pole measured? Ionity charger input is AC (230 / 400 VAC), that goes through AC to DC conversion and DC to DC conversion (step up / step down), with a HPC like 350 kW they will have liquid cooling in cables so power for pumps are needed, where as a 50 kW charger do not require liquid cooling. The energy sent through cable to the EV is less than charging station require to perform the particular charging. Whether the measurement is done on input or output side may depend on local regulation.
As others are saying, I would assume that the Ionity charger shows electricity drawn from the grid. There will then be losses as it goes through the charger and into the car. The car will report electricity which has made it into the battery so the gap is most likely losses in the charging process. Obviously Ionity will charge you for all electricity they draw from the grid for your session as they will be being charged for that.
It depends on that the ionity charger shows how much it puts out, but some of the power from the ionity charger becomes heat in the cable. Everything doesnt end up in the car battery
I'm an electric car owner and found your 1 stop vs 2 stop really interesting. thanks
A reasonable explanation for the charging discrepancy is that the Ionity charger measures the actual energy used for charging the battery and not the actual energy stored in the battery. 81kWh of energy consumed with a 94.1% efficiency will do 99% of the 77kWh of the usable capacity of the battery.
Please note that the actual energy stored in the battery is also a variable (especially with cars in there run in period) and the vehicle will eventually become a little bit more efficient.
ionity also bills you for heat losses and for energy cost to run the cooling pumps for the charger.
The reason for the kWh discrepancy is heat loss - via the cables + the cars.
Excellent challenge, well done…
As others have posted heat and losses in charging result in higher energy usage than the car receives. If cold, a proportion of the energy is also used to heat the battery, or run air con if you are in the car.
Start with 90% from home, race to the nearest charger at 10% and charge until you reach the next supercharger, and do not wait! Charge again, but never go over 80% (you will loose time). You can use abetterrouteplanner to add specific settings, start SoC, needed SoC at destination, arrive at waypoints, etc. In winter I would charge before the arrival fast, and not after I start the next roadtrip with cold battery
Why didn't you say how much it cost to charge the car when you stopped at ionity and bp?
Ionity £0.69p BP £0.25 non member £0.15 if a member for 50kw and 0.42 non member 0.27 member for 150kw
Why use an older model 3 vs a brand new car - especially when your garage is full og newer versions! 🤔
When that said, a Tesla owner would of course use Tesla superchargers instead of ionity overpriced stands - maybe also get higher charging speeds!
Great video btw! 👍
Also at the end of the video the ID.4 is quoted as £40,000 (£40,800 on the VW website for a basic model, 310mile range) whereas the new Model 3 Long Range (360mile) is £50,000. A new Model 3 Standard Range Plus (278mile) is £43,500.
Agree with you about using the Superchargers for longer journeys in my Model 3 Standard Range Plus
Hi, how good is VW's Travel Assist on the freeways? Does it keep the car reliably centered in its lane? I am looking for a car with good semi-autonomous tech. Thanks!
Test drive it today. The steering wheel vibrates to let you know your leaving your lane, and auto corrects gently back into the lane. With that said, it definitely needs hands on by the driver paying full attention.
@@NHRunDad will definitely have to give VW Travel Assist a test drive! Thanks
Preheating the car and getting the battery up to temp has a massive effect on our ID.3. We are getting 210 miles plus in winter and hope to get 240 miles plus in summer. Our ID.3 only has the 58kWh pack but is lighter with less drag.
Super comparison review, thanks for posting. I sold my Tesla M3LR in February and ordered an ID4 77kw (First Edition); can't wait for it to arrive.
Would be nice to know which ID4 is involved here..
Absolute fantastic comparison based on real world scenario! Thanks
Throw an eNiro into the mix...that tends to do well in terms of efficiency. Slow charging though. I look forward to seeing what the the Ioniq 5 and KIA EV6 can do...
Much better comparison - Curious why not use the Supercharging network? It's one of the biggest advantages of owning a Tesla, and would probably have allowed the Tesla to charge faster.
For fair comparison maybe
Maybe it is only 120 kW instead of 350?
The amount measured by the charger is going to be higher than the amount of charge received by the battery. For example, rapid charging a battery will typically start the battery cooling system to avoid overheating the battery - and the heating of the battery itself is a function of internal resistance which will lose some of the energy as heat rather than stored in the battery. Similarly, if you are in the car while it charges, it will use air con or heating, which will use some of the energy. Alternatively, if you’re not in the car and have sentry mode enabled, that will use energy. So there are a number of factors behind why there will be a discrepancy between how much energy leaves the charger and how much energy is stored in the battery.
You have convinced me it's time to sell my Audi A8L and go the Tesla route. What's not to like.??? I need to travel south from Yorkshire to visit my all time trials hero Sammy Miller (not far from you) and buy one of your stock to drive home in.
There is a lot not to like. If you haven't figured what Tesla does bad at this point, you just haven't taken the time to do the research.
@@Tafsern Exactly
Mercedes EQS, BMW i4 and Audi e-Tron GT are considerably better choices. Unless you want to buy an inferior, subpar car.
Coming From a Lexus. I have no problems with my Tesla. The only people complaining are not Tesla owners they are just weenie babies that have never driven or owned one and pick out flaws they read on the internet which a vast majority of owners dont experience.
@@Robbie6298 exactly and well said.
Great review, Battery size doesn't need to get bigger, as demonstrated, speed of charging will be the way forward, to aid mass adoption!
VW are doing a great job, bringing out their new ID ranges, showing long distance journeys are doable, with an alternative choice to a Tesla, to meet more peoples needs, the hatchback will help it sell loads!
What are the plans for the ID4? Shame we can't come see it (yet)!
Not just speed of charging (which in real life is about right now?) but availability around the country. There are still some pretty poorly covered parts of the country.
@@FFVoyager
More if chargers work.
People never care about range in a ICE because you know the pump will work.
Bingo. To an extent range could be longer but its all about reducing the time during the stop to charge. 5-10min to full up an empty tank vs 45min to 1hr charge is a big difference.
@@faywhite7886 Hyundai ioniq 5 and Kia ev6 will do 10 to 80 % in 20 mins ie. 250 miles
Does the Tesla typically charge faster at the Tesla charger?
Brilliant video Richard. Loving what you publish so thank you.
Thank you for the kind words! We have lots more to follow. Just finding the time...!
4:28 what it doesn't have kick down!? i thought that was standard thing, i had it on leaf and corsa e
How much did the id4 cost to do the 500 miles and then back to full charged
Thank you for such a good informative video. Cheers
I believe the difference between the two figures will be due to heat loss during the charging process. What could also add to that is if you were running the climate during charging.
Yep - the difference is due to losses through heat
The reason you use more power to charge than is displayed as usable is because of charging efficiency usually about 95%, most of the energy is converted to heat by the charger. This effect applies to all EV’s and the charge point and EV battery management system. Incidentally the EV can’t convert battery energy to mechanical energy at much more than the same amount of 95% efficiency so you lose power both ways, it’s called the round trip efficiency.
Lucky fella! My Aunty, Uncle and Cousins live in Bournemouth.......... 300 days of sun every year!
Thanks for the comparison! Just found out today that the ID.4 is on the company car list, but as I do sometimes drive from Surrey to Edinburgh, or sometimes into Germany and beyond, I initially dismissed it (despite the BIK advantage for company car drivers). However, your test has shown that with a bit of careful planning, long journeys don't have to mean stopping every hour for a recharge !!
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Another video about to go live with more about the ID4 in detail. Nit-picking bits we didn’t like. But don’t get me wrong, fantastic car. Should go live this evening.
@@RSEV The overtaking issue had you looking like a change of underwear was required though?
The 1% rocking up to the first station must've caused some anxiety! Good video 😊
Most EVs actually have about a 20 mile buffer beyond 0%, though they start to heavily limit your speed.
How would the Model 3 LR do using Tesla chargers?
Im wondering i thought you said 220 miles at start which woukd surely be the 55kw id4 not the 77kw?
Great video. I was hoping you would also talk about which car is more comfortable, which one has better seats, etc. Range is just one aspect of deciding which car to buy. Thank you
An hour to 100 % is really good, but a complete deal breaker for someone who travels long distance. City driving/casual travel is now perfectly acceptable
Its faster to stop twice to charge 50% vs one to 100%. For those who have iron bladders and only sleep 4 hrs a day I suppose we still need an EV with 1200 miles of range that can charge 0-100 in 4 hours, we just need a 300kwh battery that takes 75kw charge. But that excludes the people who want to drive 22 hrs a day and do 100mph the whole time...
That's about most people I know here in the UK. Not many people drive long distances regularly by car, but ofcourse for those that do, I can understand why they need EVs with 500+ miles range and much faster charging speeds.
Just found your channel, love it!
Lol love how you can drive from one end of the country to the other in a day in England...
The metric to measure when comparing charging is miles per hour, not kw charging rate or kwhs delivered
Charging speeds are like broadband speeds, you pay for one thing but they deliver much less.
I wonder are the newer id4 quicker to charge
Heat and charging losses if about 5% are normal. Charger dispensed more than battery stored and Charles you for the total dispensed.
How does it differ if you don’t have a heat pump? What does the heating!?
the heat pump allows the battery and the passenger cabin to be heated much more energy efficient by drawing heat from mechanical parts which generate it. This extends the range of an EV in cold weather. The heat pump itself does nothing for heating, it just redistributes the heat to componments which need it.
How much did it cost you?
The discrepancy in energy added is what the charger puts out versus what the car stores in the batteries. After heat losses through charging inefficiencies and things like having the AC running will create that discrepancy.
Reminds Mr of petrol.. when you top up petrol I have noticed that difference in mileage topping up at different service stations, for example, let's say shell and sainsbury petrol stations have the same ltr prices, top up paying £30 will get you 300miles yet the other 280 (example). Check it out yourself
Brilliant video. How long did the journey take and how much did it cost for each car ?
not surprised with the discrepancies
There are two reasons why the charger shows more energy delivered.
1: The charger counts the AC delivered to the AC-DC converter, because it's impossible to measure DC. The AC-DC converter has some internal loss. The cars onboard charger has a similar loss. You can measure this internal loss by comparing the energy you can use from a battery and the energy you have to spend to recharge on AC.
2: While DC charging, the car uses some energy for heating and/or cooling the battery. This extra energy is delivered by the charger and of course the charger counts it.
Interesting about the Ionity chargers - petrol pumps have to be calibrated and checked of course, is it the same for EV chargers ? - they ought to be really as consumers need to have confidence that they are getting what they are charged for.
I believe they have to meet a standard so they will have been calibrated since they charge you money.
However it is not the real problem when you charge your vehicle a handshaking protocol takes place where it tells the charger what it can accept most of the time it is the vehicle that downgrades the charging to save the battery from degrading as everytime the battery is supercharged it is degraded faster.
In the end the battery is like charging your phone you should not supercharge it too often and try and keep in between the 20-80 range for efficient longer life.
The idea of supercharging is actually in conflict with battery longevity and is often something not talked about at all.
It costs energy to fill a battery, this is known as the charging efficiency, this is why on a significant charging session you'll typically see a delta between the energy delivered by the car and the energy received by the car. The energy between what was sent by the charger will be lost as heat, as well as some drain from the cars systems managing the battery back and dealing with the heat of charging
Yes, nicely done. As an (otherwise happy) model 3 owner, I would give up quite a bit to have a hatchback. On the other hand , I was put off the excellent ID.3 we tried by the software. Sounds as if it still needs some work!
But my question is... if the Model 3 had started with 100% charge instead of 90%, would he still have needed to slow down a bit on the final leg?
The IDs software has changed quite a bit since their launch, it's much better now and all the small issues are gone.
There is always loss in any system. The amount of power the charger puts out will always be slightly more than the car actually receives. It only fractional, but it adds up over a big charge. That’s before we consider calibration of both charger and car.
would have been interesting number of kW used and cost difference. for the same run.
Did you use Range mode on the M3? Range mode will prevent it from pre-heating the battery.
Could you do a range test on the VW Id.3 pro s tour. I have just ordered one
Electrical losses are measured in %, these are static numbers, regardless of power throughput. So if the the inverter/transformer/resistance is 95% efficient, at 100 kw of power consumed (metered input), only 95 kw is realized at the end user (battery). Each car will have its own distinctive losses, so it should look different car to car.
Not just time to charge/speee...can we also get an idea of the cost.of the charges.
FWIW Here in NZ I charged my M3 SR+ by setting the charger (not a Supercharger) to 80%. When it stopped the Tesla was indicating 76%...
Not a bad performance by the VW. Although you have to consider that its motor is very weak and it's super slow.
The reason for the Ionity charger to display more kWh than the car is simple:
the charger display - and bills - the kWh delivered to the car.
the car displays the kWh that reaches the battery, which of course is less, especially if you sit in the car and leave heater, radio and things running...
Great review 👍🏼
Thank you!
@@RSEV I nearly went I.d4. How much difference do you think MY21 and Tesla superchargers would have made?
@@chargedup8491 my my21 performance was slower than any previous.
Current LR will be same as this.
Superchargers probably no difference but not sure why the m3 wasn’t charging as quick as it should. Did the same the previous evening.
But it does only seem to be in a combined set of perfect conditions that the m3 can gain more speeds. It just seems that they’ve been more restricted recently.
More tests using v3 superchargers coming soon...
@@RSEV great info thanks. Just had my MIC M3 long And your video on what to expect was superb. Love the heated steering wheel and the quality was perfect. No gaps, no scratches. Keep up the good work guys.
PROPER test!!
Great video!! I'm here from carwow
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I like the way you are in Alice through the looking glass world around the 18 minute mark ! As everyone else has said the discrepancy on charging is simply down to charging inefficiency, what the charger puts out isnt what gets into the car.
can't believe i was so excited about that race ahah nice job guys and nice job VW
Hi great video could you add the charging costs and compare them to gasoline for the same mileage please in your wrap up.
Just push the pedal all the way down, then it does a kickdown. You will feel a click, and then it will "cancel" ECO mode acceleration shortly.
Kickdown must be a new concept to people. 😂
@@abraxastulammo9940 ? 😀
@@KasperCDK Yeah, at th-cam.com/video/0fLSJfcsRLg/w-d-xo.htmlm56s it is said kickdown overrules settings so there are no restrictions, which makes me agree with you.