I Reject the notion of a Bridge on top of the Saucer. its not Tactical. I would place the Bridge say 3 or 5 Decks below the Surface of the Top Deck. and either place a Sensor Array on top or a Off Duty area like a Officers Lounge .
Generation Films - NOPE the Enterprise A was a NEWLY Built ENTERPRISE class Starship that payed homage to the NCC-1701 Constitution class starship. this was a Heavy Departure from the ENT Refit and the NEW Enterprise Class Starship was a Complete different layout than the REFIT Enterprise 1701.
Generation Films - the Enterprise in the WRATH of KAHN was now a Training Vessel and a UNTESTED new Cadets . the ONLY Senior staff were the TOS Enterprise crew. Furthermore , its generally assumed all Federation Starships are Friendly to one another , and KAHN exploited this. the Reliant was able to Raise its Sheilds and Deffence fields before Enterprise could Raise hers because KIRK was caught with his PANTS Down. this is why KIRK was a ADMIRAL and flew a DESK instead of a Star Ship. the Reliant is also Better Protected and lower Profile as the Reliant is a FRIGGATE and a TACTICAL ship equipped with MEGA Phasors. however Reliant only had a Auto Torp on the Roll Bar whereas Enterprice could carry MORE Torpedoes. RELIANT had a much smaller Cross Section with no NECK and no Secondary hull, like ENTERPRISE . the 1701 was Larger and thus EASER to Target. and KAHN many years ago Studied the Enterprise Design and he KNEW exactly were to Strike.
Generation Films - regarding Teething problemes of the 1701-A (Ti Ho) aka USS Enterprise-A. the Ti - Ho was a NEW Generation of ENTERPRISE Class starships that played homage to the Classic 1701 Constitution class and the REFIT. but, everything was Entirely NEW . including the TRANSWARP Nacelles , which were modified to RESEMBLE the 1701 REFIT Nacelles and built by LEEDING Engines. as this was an EXPREIMENTAL ship , the FIRST WORKING Transwarp ship after SCOTTY Disabled the NX-2000 Excelsior (EARLY Transwarp ship) , this caused STARFLEET to reexamine the Transwarp Comcept, and Decided to use a MORE compact Starship for the TESTBED. despite its Early Problems in Star Trek V , by the time of Star Trek VI - undiscovered country , the 1701-A Enterprise worked PERFECTLY.
Generation Films - when SYBOK landed in the Shuttle bay , SYBOK already controled SULU and UHURA minds , and SYBOK contiued to use MIND CONTROL on the Crew.
The separate phaser room is a lot like real warships of the era. Heck considering how many writers served in WWII they probably based it on real warship layouts they experienced.
True, but those real warships didn't have the modern luxuries of computers that could handle things remotely. To fire a torpedo, you needed someone at the torpedo bay. To aim a gun, someone had to be at the gun pulling levers and spinning wheels. By the time of Star Fleet, all of this could have been (and in the show, seems like it was) all done with electronics that were controlled with computer panels. To move the control panel to the bridge would have been trivial in-universe, and is therefore a potential flaw of the ship, though it may have improved the show and increased ratings with the audience of the time
@@generalcodsworth4417 Constitution Class was developed during the seven years war, it was a battlecruiser capable of matching the Klingon D7, disguised as an exploration vessel. This is also why so many of them were lost with all hands, they pushed the boundaries of known space and frequently got into fights.
@@generalcodsworth4417 All good points on what "could have been" in terms of design, but I suspect there's a certain principle of sci-fi writing at work here. Sci-fi has to be futuristic, but at the same time familiar enough that the audience can relate to it. The separate firing room keeps things familiar with the similarity to WW2 sub movies. (Not to mention also allowing the plot device of the phaser coolant leak...)
@@ChattahoocheeRiverRat , that is true that the point of Star Trek was first and foremost to be a show with a good story. If the writers did enough research to make a totally accurate and plausible warp capable vessel for the show, we'd have them irl because they'd have invented the real deal by that point. They do deserve some credit for making something that worked to tell a story
When you say "kind of terrible special effects" about "The Cage" produced sixty years ago, you ought to be saying "exciting special effects - at the time". lol
I can answer his questions with three simple terms BUDGET, BUDGET BUDGET. Add to those, Science Fiction TV shows at that time were rare and considered second tier.
"It was plagued with technical issues." Yeah, like having 78 decks on a ship that had 24 decks. Do you know how much you have to screw up that making your ship into a TARDIS on accident?
@@robertcartier5088 Yeah, and the shield failure was because Khan got the security codes and disabled them and not because they took too long to raise... But he did say some of it was just him making some light fun of it...
@@bartscanland9415 You forget Khan captured Chekov and the other officer and put the mind control worms in them... He just didn't know enough to block it... Khan was just limited to 2 dimensional thinking...
@@ZeoCyberG Chekov and Terrell wouldn't have had Enterprise's prefix codes memorized. Kirk told Saavik to access the data charts on the Reliant, which is how they were able to obtain the Reliant's Prefix code. Also, Khan wouldn't have had Chekov and Terrell give him the Enterprise's prefix codes because he didn't know about prefix codes. The film establishes that Khan had no idea about the Prefix codes which allow one ship to disable the shields of another, which is precisely how Kirk was able to outwit Khan in that battle. So no, the reason they didn't get the shields up in time is because they didn't get the shields up in time, plain and simple. And when Sulu tries later he says "I can't get power" (because the Reliant had already taken out the Enterprises main power systems). Kirk ordered auxiliary power, Scotty said they only had enough power for a few shots of phasers, and Spock said they couldn't escape on auxiliary power.
Yeah, but his main point still stands, we have cameras that can read a license plate from 400 miles away travelling at 18,000 mph, technically, with most enemy ships less than a mile away during battles oughta be able to read Kirk's fingerprints while he picks his nose.
We have transparent aluminium since the mid 80's, doesn't seem to be all that useful. (Seriously, that patent was filed just before star trek IV had hit the cinemas)
@@iangreen4572 No, I mean the actual real world did have transparent Aluminium by the time the movie came out. The patent was filed just before, by pure chance. And the original idea is what later developments like gorilla glass are based on
Just an observation about the thin neck. During TOS, weapons and shields were usually strongest at the front so you tried to keep your nose on the enemy. With the thin neck, it was harder to hit.
@@hisokamorow1816 It's easier to target the body then the neck and that's after you mange to punch through the shields. Also the way the fights work is like what we see in the wrath of Khan not the star wars style combat idiocy we see in ds9. That means hitting the neck is much harder than you might think so targeting the body is better.
"Unresponsive shields" In ST2 they're switching scenes so when Kirk says raise shields Khan very likely said "fire" at the same time or just before Kirk gave the order. So even though the shield button was pushed at that very moment it was being hit by phaser fire
"why haven't they raised shields?" "Because we are all one big happy fleet" - Khan He fired without warning so by time they went to put up shields Khan had already ordered them to fire. It all happened at the same exact time.
@@ChattahoocheeRiverRat Actually their shields are always on just at low power and used to essentially just protect the ship from small space debris. When the ship goes to red alert more power is diverted to the shield
@@MehrumesDagon Tactically, the federation's technical limitations turn their ships into multi-bullseye mobile targets. Ncells? Fragile construction? Exposed vital systems? All out in open. None of their platforms are suitable for combat, with two or three exceptions.
@@raven4k998excuse me, but the video reference through the series, does not show much of support towards those "super strong alloys" being strong enough to be justifiable structure. To be precise, within The Original Series itself, all combat is considered won or lost on shields alone - most of fights is firing couple salvos and if shields are still up at that point both sides assumes them being inpenetrable, and other solutions are pursued. It's only the movies that established concept of ship being hit without shields up and not outright exploding to smithereens in single shot. And even if there was some fantasy super-alloy at play it would still make for a better ship to not do structural weakpoints like this - no matter how imposibly "strong" and resistant your alloy is, it will work better with better structural layout.
The original Enterprise had a stair down from the bridge in its blueprints. Guess the engineers forgot to install it. The Ent. D also has a ramp down to the next deck. You can see it in the upper left corner of its blueprints. In the time of the TOS, the transporter provided the quarantine by filtering out harmful pathogens. The manual firing of phasers from the phaser room was the backup. Normally the computer would fire the phasers when commanded from the bridge but if that failed, they could be fired from the phaser room, which was manned during red alert.
Yeah, he got something wrong about that warp core.... It wasn't in the neck. Originally, it wasn't even vertical, it was horizontal. As for the torpedoes, on the original ncc 1701 before the refit, the launcher was on bottom of the saucer. Doesn't mean there wasn't a magazine in the neck, but that wasn't the location of the launcher until after refit.
@@johnw2026 The warp core was in the neck on the refit. In fact the panelling is blue where the core is, assumably removable panels but hey another shoot me here signal for other ships.
it definitely was. Just look at the episode Balance of Terror. the whole episode was loosely based on a submarine movie battle ( i cant remember which one )
@@omega311888 In fact "Balance of Terror" is the only episode in which the phaser control room appears. In every other episode, Sulu operates the phasers directly from the helm console.
On real ships you have gun directors, where the guns can be aimed, the gun turret, if it's big enough to be manned, then it has provision to aim the mount from inside, then you have the loading room where the shells are loaded into the turret etc.
On the bridge always exploding with showers of sparks, I always wanted an episode that addressed how humanity lost or forgot all circuit breaker technology in say the early 2100's.
I may be misremembering, but I think Federation starships are said to use supercharged plasma to convey power to all of the ships' systems and controls. What is exploding all of the time, are these plasma conduits. To hazard a complete guess, the authors could be suggesting they found a way to make plasma behave as a superconductor, which would give virtually no power losses from the conduits and connections. This would save all of the power for doing the work that the machines need to do. The episodes we watch are where all of the exciting stuff (explosions etc.) happen. The other 99% of their time is spent benefiting from super efficient power usage...
Black powder was used for the low budget TOS effects. Yeah, it was really corny. Nichell Nichols got 2nd deg flash burns on her face while rigging a 'subspace bypass circuit' on the bridge set.
@@jlfrasch there's this thing called optoisolation been around since the 80s. Basically you use light to transmit data from the PLC ( computer brain for complex factory and refinery process) to the high voltage equipment meaning your computer controls have no power cross over to anything above a 24volt control power and any arch flashes or dangerous shorts are away from the controls. Theres another thung called a relay its been around since the 50s if not earlier. It uses a transformer to allow low volatge control wiring to directly control high voltage equipment. A gas plant doeant run its main 4k volt power cables into yhe control room consoles why the hell would an armed space craft route its main power through controls. Id buy the surges and explosions on an engineering console by the warp core as equipment offten has some form of localized control on it but the bridge should should yld be completely isolated from the main power
Also, if it isn't made of explodium, it needs to be made of Incendium (or at least alloyed with Incendium). Consider the flames in the underground command bunker early in Balance of Terror.
You do realize that those exploding locations was caused by overloading power systems right? Remember power feedback is a thing. A home struck by lightning, anything plugged in had a chance of being fried and or exploding. Hell iPhones use to explode if over charged(cannot remember which model). The overloads tend to happen when the shields are overloaded before going down or powerful enough blast to cause an overload in the ship's power systems. Also for dramatic effect. In sto we don't see heavy damage to the bridge unless hit hard, or flying close to a star. Why? Because it isn't needed. Nothing takes place in the bridge 99% of the time. It's the same in the show. But to be fair the defiant, voy, and the E you could spit on them with shields up and 2/3 of the bridge would be damaged while the Connie requires direct hits to the hull to cause the bridge systems to take damage. So even with a neck the Connie was a lot more tougher than neckless ships like the defiant, but it was also built in an era where the federation was in a state of a cold war with the Klingons where a fight could happen at any time.
yeah well she didn't make as much power as the other enterprises that's why it took ten minutes it took that long to build up a charge for the system to work
Technical Problems when they haven't even started their shakedown cruise don't count. Emergency missions and the Enterprise being the Only ship at the Federation HQ don't change that. That's more an issue with Starfleet's resource management. Real problems are the lack of physical barriers in the Brig, lack of seat belts/harness and bridge consoles exploding when the ship is shot anywhere other than the bridge.
A decade after this was shown on TV, I was in school already learning how to make low-power remote control circuits to avoid having high voltage shit behind control panels! How they kept doing this dumb-ass move for decades after was probably the dumbest thing I'd ever seen in Sci-Fi! Hard to fault them, they were all doing it! Don't expect to see this bullshit on The Expanse! They're more likely to show you how to lose your head from a silent railgun slug! lol
@@coreytaylor447 Not steam, plasma... EPS conduits is how they transferred power from the anti-matter/matter reactor core to the whole ship. Artificial gravity, structural integrity field, etc. that not only provided life support but prevented them going splat when going percentages of light speed on impulse drive and also helped the ship withstand enormous stresses... Down side, they conduct energy and so any power fluctuation or transfer from energy weapons can cause chain reaction of damage but it's what made their form of space travel possible with warp drive, etc.
Bit of Trek trivia... For the set design of the bridge they built a loo just on the other side of the main view screen. Many a shot was ruined when somebody flushed. Flashforward a few years, amid the growing scandal of where were the bathrooms on the Enterprise, Franz Joseph cheekily added a restroom to the blueprints. To boldly go where no man has gone before.
Wasn't the thin neck originally designed as a way to turn the entire saucer into an escape pod? Blow the neck and let the engineering section explode while the saucer still has impulse power.
Back in the 1966-1969 era, there was no such thing as VFX like now. Those skies were cameras with a colored lens on them, or a glass matte painting (I saw a set once during a tour of Universal Studios Hollywood years ago).
@@Gwestytears you can actually see the black square around the enterprise in the TOS scenes of the exterior of the ship because there really wasn't blue screen or green screen at the time. In order to film the exterior of the ship the background was black and they simply merged to two pieces of film. They eliminated this during the digital upgrading of the show in later years. So you would have to find an original series episode prior to the digitalization to see it.
How about the warp nacelles being up on sticks, Ben? If the neck is a flaw then the nacelles are a catastrophe. I always wondered why they weren't the first target in any battle!
It sure was when building the AMT model on 1972, but it is assumed that the warp field nacelles have to be held out away from the core, so that likely gets a pass. In TOS there were no other starfleet ships shown than the "Starship Class" cruiser (later post series called Constitution Class). There was no other method of generating Warp shown except on the D7 and those Enterprise clones. The Romulans didn't use Warp, just impulse in TOS and even their nacelles are held put at extreme distance.
Well, that would cause a massive explosion... Like a mini super nova and any nearby ship could be destroyed unless it could warp away or had powerful enough shields... It's enough to cause massive damage to a planet, which is why when they self destructed the Enterprise in Search For Spock, the code he used was for jettisoning the warp core so it would not explode and used conventional explosives to destroy the ship because they were too close to the planet... Destruction of the warp cores could also cause damage to subspace and make FTL travel in the area more difficult to impossible... Mind, in STTNG they put in traditional warp technology was eroding subspace and put in a warp 5 speed limit until they could develop better warp tech... So the writers apparently did think of that in some ways...
@@ZeoCyberG Well yeah they did think of that, that's why trek was good. We had writers who had something in-between their ears unlike std/Picard writers who had nothing in-between theirs.
Me: "There's NO aft firing arc on the Constiution classes" And no ventral, dorsal, or P/S, or... anywhere except facing forward. Also me: "At least half the Constitutions didn't make their 5 year mission (maybe only 1 did)" Ben: the coffee dispenser is complelely in the wrong place! Also, the top part of the warp core, (the part in the neck) isn't that explodey since it's the matter end of the reactor. So, semi explodey.
"Me: 'There's NO aft firing arc on the Constiution classes" And no ventral, dorsal, or P/S, or... anywhere except facing forward.'" That is incorrect. As a matter of fact, the firing arcs cover 360°. That ship has 14 Phaser banks after all and they are placed pretty intelligently.
@@perryrhodan1936 There is 18 Phaser banks on the Enterprise. 20 on the Discovery version. You can clearly see where all the Phaser banks are on the refit version, not so much the TOS version. The Enterprise outguns a Klingon Bird of Prey 10 to 1.
@@SackAttack81 the TOS Enterprise didn't have Banks, it had Batteries one upper front and one lower front of the saucer, and one at the back of the secondary hull, each had multiple phaser weapons and could track to cover a wide arc of fire, pretty much but not quite 360" coverage. Officially she had aft torpedoes, but they are not visible on the model and never seen firing. Also each phaser was a single shot weapon and needed recharging between shots, so having a battery allowed them to cycle through active weapons whilst others were 'reloaded'. This is because it was how gun batteries worked on 1950's-60's naval vessels without automation. They didn't envision the kind of automatic weapons our naval vessels have now, let alone what they could have in the future. This is also why they had a Phaser Control Room on the TOS Enterprise. The clip showing the woman at the control board was revolutionary and controversial at the time.
Warp core wasn’t the same in TOS. Matter/antimatter was in the nacelles. Warp engineering was a reactor but nothing like the linear intermix system introduced in the movies.
@@qdllc It was very similar to the later M/ARA-Cores except for the shape and alignment. The annihilation has to take place in the reactor after all. Dilithium, used as a regulator then helps with controlling the Warp plasma-flow in the EPS-grid. Overall, a technology that didn't change in base function for several centuries. The Warp cores just went bigger and bigger until the 2270s, leading to some redesigns and the end result was the vertical Warp core we know since then. The only real game changer that changed Warp cores significantly is that Starfleet moved away from Warp plasma and M/ARA-Systems as primary power supply in favor of the more potent polaric energy and corresponding Warp cores. And the change must've happened quite a while ago, because in the 32nd century AD, this polaric tech is common place in Starfleet.
The explosion are from system overloads heavy damage or powerful power surges from powerful direct energy weapons. You know something that 100% of the alien races use. Besides if a home is hit by lightning electrical items can be fried or explode. I do recall hearing cases where components in PCs have exploded and caught fire due to powerful serges of power. Which is why you need to turn them off and unplug them during lighting storms.
In TOS, the warp core didn’t run through the neck. It was either concealed under the dilithium matrix in engineering or replaced by the matter/antimatter intermix valve, depending on who you ask
@@valor1omega Really? It was in the refit enterprise but most of the schematics of the tos version I’ve seen either don’t show a warp core at all or have it under the dilithium matrix (as if that’s the top of the warp core). And as for it being stated by the creators, I find that quite unlikely since at the time of the original series’ airing, the warp core hadn’t even been thought of. They were probably talking about the refit/ enterprise a after the motion picture came out. Either way, it’s great that Star Trek lets us have conversations like this and if all else fails we can always head cannon it to be whichever way we want 🖖
@@valor1omega Maybe it was, I can’t tell you what to believe. Personally I don’t think so, though. The fact that the antimatter storage dome at the top of the core on the refit isn’t on the tos makes me doubtful
One hopes this is all tongue in cheek as the things regarded as flaws are how they create drama and tension. Otherwise the series would not have been as much fun.
"Easy to steal" is a non issue. Ask any military - military craft never have keys or so. Too risky. They basically are protected by being surrounded by the military. Get people on board and you can steal it. That obviously does not cover bad security and - no people in engineering ;)
when i played starfleet academy, the manual states that Enterprise -A is technically Yorktown-which was mothballed and returned to service....then renamed Enterprise.
Did you even watch the movie? Scotty had to bypass everything and they had only a limited time to slip through the doors. The transporters removed anything that could be dangerous. Also Trekyards would like to have a chat with you, lol.
Re: taking back Kirk’s key. That’s _Admiral_ Kirk. The one captain who actually completed his 5-year mission, and had somewhat recently saved the planet from destruction. Not someone they would have figured to steal a starship.
Also they had Scotty who knew the ship inside and out. He could feel even the slightest of vibration and he would know where on the old girl it was coming from without needing to look at a screen. So it's no surprise that he and the rest of the senior bridge crew could steal the ship from space dock.
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If you actually watched Star Trek II, then you’d know by looking at a single monitor on the Reliant that shields took more than a few seconds to fully charge. So the Enterprise being hit /right after/ Kirk ordered shields is just bad timing on the captain, not the ship. And by then, since they still couldn’t raise shields, it’s probably because they were damaged in the first attack. I swear, channels like this always seem to think they’re better than professional writers and always have snarky little remarks for when they “beat” the pros.
Yes, that's one point that I remember seeing even as a kid, the screen showing the shields raising in the form of dots quickly going around a diagram of the ship. In other words, it would take around 10 seconds for the shields to raise completely after the Captain's order.
No, most of these make since, including the shields to a point. You are right, the shields on the ship aren't as fast on ship's of the galaxy class, but Worf would have had his finger over the button to raise them on the Enterprise D too, and he does point this out. All in all, it was mostly a command failure, something Kirk alludes to after the battle.
@@jhmcd2 Even if Sulu had his finger directly on the button, the Reliant still fired phasers at the Enterprise before the shields could have been raised. Should Kirk have given the order sooner? Yes. But the fact is, it still happened too late. This was a flaw of both the Constitution-class and Reliant-class, not just the Enterprise. Hell, it was likely a failure of every Starfleet vessel in service at that time.
There's one more simpler reason... everything was happening simultaneously. The order from Khan to fire and Kirk to raise shield happened at the same time.
If you look closely at the captains status display, there is an indicator that shows shields going to raised status when the captain goes to yellow alert. So theoretically, the shields should have been up long before the captain even gave the order. Raising shields is supposed to be part of the automatic procedures done by the ship when going to yellow alert. So, bad writing?
All versions of the Enterprise until the E were primarily science and exploration vessels. You could just as easily make a video of the tactical disadvantages of the Voyager Space Probes and the Hubble Space Telescope.
On the other hand, a model of the original Enterrise performed very well in wind tunnel tests, up to Mach 3. Also, the US Navy studied the layout of the original bridge, and found that it was a very good design.
This is a tv show. Drama was high on the story telling. Effort was to have technological aspects for believability, and at the time of the original series, not much known about space. The networks also had a hand in presenting an action/drama series-"wagon train to the stars" and didn't like the show being too technical, as G. Roddenberry said.
Speaking of stealing starships, I remember a VHS Next-Gen game in the 90's where the D is taken over by a single Klingon who tells the computer to set course for Kronos, max warp and the ship just does it. Crew, why?
I think the Star Trek plans of the Enterprise had stairs, I have check that out. Also there was a second bridge I believe if the first one was damage, though I agree placing the bridge on the top of ship is stupid, like no restraints for the crew to prevent them from being tossed around. Standing is even a stupider idea.
Actually thats exactly how military people steal military gear. They just walk in, start it up and drive off. 2 tanks and a helicopter that I know of so far.
"I know this ship like the back of my hand!" thunk. there was about 10ish verients based on the main constitution class ship type. resulting in alot of deck and internal hull modifications. and with the Enterprise-A, I think it was built as one ship,then commissioned as the U.S.S. Yorktown? then was recommissioned as the Enterprise-A right before the end of ST4 The Voyage Home. it was decomishiond a few years later so it was an older ship that at some point it got a refit.
“I think this new ship was put together by MONKEYS! Oh, she's got a fine engine, but half the doors won't open! And guess who's job it is to make it right?”
"Scotty, I gave you more time to get her shipshape, what happened?" "I think ye gave me too much time." To be fair, even Kirk had to ask for directions when he came back aboard the Enterprise in The Motion Picture.
It was the USS Yorktown, one of the few remaining Constitution class vessels left and was given the same refit as Enterprise. It was recommissioned Enterprise A after the original was destroyed.
@@davidanderson5055 always wondered how they could've decommissioned it so soon after its entrance in ST4. Now I know. And no wonder it was riddled with problems at the beginning of ST5.
I think the exploding bridge panels are my favorite. I know it's only a tv show, but wow, what did they do insulate the walls with C4? I worked at a plant for years as a electrical technician, whereas all the controls go to a single control room (like the bridge on the Enterprise) There shouldn't be any high energy wiring or devices in the panels (that is what relays are for) The worse that could've/should've happened would be breakers trips and the panels would go blank ( I guess wouldn't be very exciting?), of course there should also be back up controls to take over, we had them, and we weren't flying though space nor fighting Klingons.
@@nowthatsjustducky yet the butt heads had the video logs. Then of course there was Finney and the security camera on the captain's chair. And we saw everything they and later crews did, as it was leaked and transmitted back through time to the 20th century.
@@nowthatsjustducky oh and the federation officers bugged the conference room conversation between Spock and Kirk about his hatred of the Klingon, and they leaked that to the Klingons. And the Klingons got ahold of the Kirk film about Project Genesis. I'm thinking Starfleet IS security is really shitty. They must write their passwords on the bottom of their tricorders.
In the actual Navy, and large ships in general, when the Captain gives an order it is relayed to the crew in the proper location to carry it out and there is usually a delay. So the engine room crew actual adjusts the ships speed and the crew manning the cannons in the turrets select the right angles and manually fire the guns. A few times on screen in Star Trek shows the bridge notifies the engine room to be ready for warp speed or to be ready to go the maximum warp
The Enterprise B was meant to just "run around the block", most likely to test her engines. Something you often do with a ship during construction. So I don't think it's quite so silly for her to be out and about with some components missing. Though why they were the only ship in range while in the Sol system is... well that's a common gripe that can be (and in many cases is) its own video. #3 has A LOT of variables unaccounted for. 1) Cadet crew. They aren't as trained or experienced. Some may have not gotten much of any training in a lot of areas yet. 2) Protocols. Starfleet is often wildly unresponsive to such things. So not even giving the order is in character for how they operate. Plus Kirk let himself get arrogant or stupid despite a clear regulation that likely told him to act differently. 3) Activation time. The shields very likely need a moment to fully engage. The Reliant fires before they can become a defensive barrier. 4) Damage. The Reliant's first hit is the engineering section. That very likely ruined main power on impact, which left the shields without the power they need to activate. You missed an exit with #8 for the Enterprise D. The conference room attaches to deck 1, or it's own turbo lift (never been certain which), so they could also get out that way. Otherwise, can't say I disagree with any of them.
@@gangfire5932 For worst TOS episodes, don't forget to add 'The Empath' and 'Spock's Brain' to the list. I never minded 'The Way to Eden' so much...primarily due to Chekov's love interest, Irina! ;)
On the subject of easy to steal, there is the secondary/battle bridge that has been used to take control at least once by hostiles. Also, if I designed the ship, I'd have emergency respirators stored in cabinets in key areas such as the bridge, main engineering, galley. Just in case Life Support was compromised.
The refit version had this. There are compartments throughout the bridge and ship clearly labeled as such. Just wasn't something that occurred to them in 1960's tv-land.
Regarding Khan and raising the shields: I always imagined, that alle the things on the bridges were happening much more simultaneously but could not been shown otherwise.
@@rsrt6910 That's now how propulsion in space works. Without the friction of an atmosphere the ship would still move forward with only one warp nacelle that's why space ships have to have maneuvering thrusters all around the ship.
I'd like to point out that separate fire controls from the main bridge are VERY common on military ships. Unless you're on something with very restricted space (like a submarine) CIC isn't even the same deck as the bridge. The bridge is where the ship is overall commanded from and where all steering commands are issued. CIC is in charge of the weapons and can act independently of the bridge but usually will only respond to orders from there.
In the classic series, the Enterprise had a feature where the shields would automatically come on in response to a threat. Yet this feature seems absent from the refitted versions... though there might be reasons for that. Star Trek II... the shields don't come on during Reliant's approach... but that might be due to it being a Federation vessel. Star Trek III... again, with the approach of a Bird of Prey... shields don't come on. But ... Scotty might have been manually controlling the systems. Star Trek V... shields don't come on before Bird of Prey opens fire. But that could be due to a: Cloaked vessel, or b: the previously mentioned technical glitches plaguing the ship. Or maybe someone decided that shields coming on automatically on the approach of an unidentified vessel might be provocative and had the system removed.
I know Ben just had to find enough flaws to make it to ten, but some of these 'flaws' were fixed in the show, in books, on deck plans and some aren't even valid, LOL. Oh, and that green sky was done, as were all the skies of alien planets, by putting up a white background and shining gel lights of different colours on them. The reason? To have someone paint a bloody skyline for every episode on a planet would have been astronomical money back then and Trek was on a very tight budget. The Constitution Class ran for over a century, so thats a pretty good track record I feel. 1: The bridge an easy target. It was, but then every race had their bridge pretty much in the same place in TOS era of ships. That see through dome though only appeared in the pilot episode 'The Cage'. It was quickly disposed of and in the animated series theres even a security system installed in the roof of the bridge. 2: Technical issue. The Enterprise B was supposed to fly around the block and back to dock, it was not even past its shakedown cruise yet and was still being worked on obviously. It was never supposed to be functional and go into an emergency situation but it had no choice when the SOS came in as it was the only ship available. I think we can cut them some slack there, lol. 3: Unresponsive shield. Yeah, got to admit this one has always baffled me too, lol, however in Wrath of Khan do you do see on a display that when the shields go up they go up slowly around the ship from the front in a clockwise motion till the entire ship is covered. So when Kirk asks for shields to go up they are still in the process of making that trip around the vessel when Khan orders the Reliant to fire.. Doesn't negate this valid criticism, just explaining :) 4: Bridge panels explode. Well, it is supposed have action in it, lol, so like with any other tv show they had to have obvious results to the ship getting hit. If all we see is a slight shimmy and someone saying so and so deck got hit it wouldn't be as thrilling, lol. 5: The thin neck. Again, yep, an obvious weakness. When it was designed the idea of the saucer section being able to part from the engineering hull was talked about, and so the neck design, but they didn't have the money to ever show that happening in the series till TNG pilot episode came around. 6: Stealing the ship. Sybok stealing the ship ... there is no real excuse for how that happened, but then again The Final Frontier is considered by many to be the worst movie with TOS characters in, so there is that, lol. As for Kirk and Co. stealing it from space dock. No one expected a Starfleet crew to try and steal a ship from a Starfleet base, I mean why would they? And they didn't just fly it straight out of the dock, Scotty had to hack into the door system to open them and only just managed it. Also he had to jury-rig the entire ship to run with only five people onboard and tells Kirk it won't hold up to any series manoeuvres or battle. 7: Easy to sabotage. Well, yeah, I mean if you managed to get aboard, which wouldn't be easy unless you were supposed to be there, I suppose there were a lot of ways to sabotage the ship. I am sure to a degree the same is true of navy ships today, although they are a lot more heavily crewed so it would be harder to sneak around. 8: Only one way off the bridge. In the deck plans of the Constitution class (which I own) published a few years after the show went off the air there is an emergency hatch situated in front of the helm station which can be opened and has a ladder going down to the next deck. 9: Poor quarantine. As we are talking about the Constitution class Enterprise I should point out that the transporter had a system in it which purged the person being beamed up of any harmful bacteria or viruses. Admittedly this was used way more in TNG, DS9 and Voyager, but I think I recall it was used on the plot once or twice in TOS. 10: A separate phaser firing room. Added for tension, especially in the episode shown here 'Balance of Terror' which was supposed to be similar to a WW2 destroyer chasing a Jap submarine it was a way to add in suspense. Quickly done away with after this episode though.
The thin neck and warp nacell pylons always seemed vulnerable, even watching it while I was younger. I can see the neck being okay (theoretically overlapping shield grids from the primary/secondary hull). Also, Khan didn't technically try to attack that section- It was dumb luck since weapon lock in the nebula didn't work. To the slow shield point, the trainee crew in engineering wasn't doing their job as they were too busy shitting their pants to route power where it needed to be so the shields may not be as big of an issue. Thanks for the cool video!
I still like the incredibly flawed sunroof/solarium. Yes. A huge weakness, but, a creative engineering genius -(or above average builder), could have managed a "lifehack", of the period, and made a protective dome, seem see-through -(at least.. from the inside).
Yeah, if you want smart starship designs, go read the Honor Harrington novels. The two bridges were in the middle of the ship as far as possible from the fusion bottles (power generators) - and the XO was always in the secondary bridge during combat situations because oh yeah sometimes the main bridge gets destroyed, killing the captain.
actually Gene was *convinced* to leave it the way it was designed, after he first saw it upside down and liked it. (posssibly because you couldnt set it down right side up)
No, he wanted it upside down, but thankfully the idiot was over ruled. You really think Gene wrote anything? There was three writers and he wasn't one of them. The first terrible season of tng, had they not kicked his ass out of the chair TNG would have floundered.
The constitution class ships server really from the 2240s through the 2290s while possibly into early 2300s. So not nearly as long as the excelsior but still quite respectable. But yes the ship design did have it's flaws. Which is why the Excelsior tried to fix many of the flaws while building on what made the Constitution great.
I remember the original Trek when it first came out, and a couple of things struck me almost immediately: 1 - all consoles in all rooms are so placed that users have their backs to the doors (which they never hear swoosh open) and so are taken completely by surprise by a hostile intruder 2 - whenever Enterprise is low on power, an external shot will show all the usual windows brightly lit. Wouldn't it make sense to turn these lights off to conserve power? (I know, that would call for a second model, in "dark mode")
Just saying, originally, a ship could be easily destroyed, even without weak spots, because of the firepower of the weapons. That is why they rely so much on shields, and plus Scotty has been seen saying that once shields go down their ship would be destroyed from a shot from the enemy vessel. Until the movies and TNG, where they completely throw that out of the window. So they probably found a new way to enhance the hull. Also, they probably didn't worry about ships can taken over because of the factor they could shut off shields on an enemy vessel as seen in Wrath of Khan. Also, Star Trek 5 was a pretty bad movie. They travel to the center of the galaxy too easily, and the whole story didn't really make sense.
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Decon on NCC 1701 Supposedly happens in the transporter, as a perfect bio pattern of every crew member is stored in the transporters memory. Harmful organisms are or can be filterd out and even weapons disabled.
Flaw #11. That giant saucer section is basically a giant target. Although, I do like the flaw about the thin neck. I think that's the most obvious flaw of the ship.
You press them and get lucky. Star Trek Bridge Crew taught me that. But for real, the actual reason for them not being labeled is because, in theory, if anybody ever took over the ship they wouldn’t know what button does what function.
@@michaelglisson8240 I could understand a security measure so unauthorised people cannot have access, but the TNG era used a colour code, bold graphics and a series of numbers that represent that function (except in 'Generations' of course where it's just blatantly there for all to see shield modulation! AHHH, DON'T GET ME STARTED!!!) but TOS it's like a yellow button here, a red button there. Imagine your first time as communication officer. Captain: _"Open hailing frequencies!"_ Communications: _"Yes, Captain!"_ ......................................... Captain: _"Well, what's taking so long!"_ Communications: _ [Thinking...] _"Is it is first green button in the second row, or second button in the third row?..."_
@@dannyr2976 As the keys on a piano are never labeled either. You know their meaning just by position through learning and training. And they are all just black and white.
Actually her phaser emitters was set in pairs of two, three pairs on the upper section of the saucer and a pair under the saucer. They just used canned footage for budget reasons.
Enterprise A was broken a lot because it hadn't cleared it's shakedown. Even in real world navy builds, that's a fairly normal thing... you put a lot of custom parts together, some of it is bound to be malfunctioning at first. That's why commissioning is different from launch.
Open ladders with no fall cages. Drives me nuts as we had to add them to almost all our laaders. What, OSHA stopped enforcing fall protection in that century?
@@nicolaiveliki1409 Even if you did know doesn't mean it would help much if they overload the shields and cause powerful feedback throughout the system.
"How dare you" was from a brainwashing leftist-minded Swedish girl named Greta Thunberg who spoke these words. Therefore, it is irrelevant because she has a lack of sense of politeness and understanding. She is a spoiled kid whom left-wing politicans and leftist mainstream media choose her as a token of the young generations to lead the leftist political advocate.
It lasted 100 years because B&B made their business to downplay as much of of TOS as they could, but couldn't get rid of ALL models of the era due to budget considerations. So, the Excelsior lasted while the Constitution didn't. And I must comment that the original Enterprise (NX-01 doesn't count) survived for 40 years, was destroyed when was used for a mission waaay outside their operational parameters, with 2% of the intended crew, against a state of the art klingon ship. The Ent-D was completely crewed, operating well within their parameters and still managed to lose to a scout ship 20 years out of date. After seven years of operations. I don't know of any class that became obsolete in Trek canon faster than the Galaxy. Here's material for a future video: why the Galaxy class lasted so little time operating as a frontline ship.
@@TheSorrel Shouldn't ships of the line be build to do heavy work, including combat (as a deterrent, if nothing else?)> This "it was built for a different time" excuse never convinced me. The Ent-D never performed as the most badass ship in the known galaxy should work.
Sorry to "nit-pick" but Spock didn't just not shoot him "because he was a Vulcan," he was also his Brother! As always thank you so very much for your video. (Always nice to see the Ben from (originally) across the pond.)
*Lore Reloaded* just released a video 3 hours later claiming that the Constitution class was decommissioned cause it could time travel easily and that was just too great a risk… Which is proven by the fact that his video didn't get _uploaded first._
Flaw #11: Looking at Star Trek through the lens of 2021 and not 1966, when this "Wagon Train to the Stars" had to be sold to the Networks (Lucille Ball is the one who bought it -- Desilu Studios) and the budget for each set was $1200. Flaw #12: The mindset of 1966, where women wore mini-skirts and had to flirt with the men. And the men had to bed every alien female, or was that just Capt. Kirk? Seriously, as Spock would say, "Fascinating" as I never thought about the Constellation Class ship's neck or Turbo-lift doors in the Bridge.
I was 9 years old watching the original Star Trek in 1966. More than 50 years later I'm still troubled by a sci fi series set in the 24th century that's written as a 19th century naval high seas adventure. Unless sci-fi fans wake up, Captain Horatio Hornblower will still be running free through the rest of the 21st century.
When you say infested the ship, you show kirk opening a cargo door on the space station. While both were infested, your image is misleading or your words are. Dud you even watch the show?
The shields issue on TWOK is merely a plot device. Had Enterprise raised shields in time it would have been a very short battle: heavy cruiser + experienced commander v light cruiser + novice = dead light cruiser.
The phaser control room is on a parallel with all (and including) modern sea faring warship fire control room, which is situated deep inside the bowels of a warship. This is a good design feature as it prevents the all to vulnerable bridge (even on modern seafaring warships) being the hub of weapons system control. Even without the bridge or auxiliary control, a ship can still return fire. On the Enterprise 8 pairs of phaser turret banks have to be powered & coordinated.
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I Reject the notion of a Bridge on top of the Saucer.
its not Tactical. I would place the Bridge say 3 or 5 Decks below the Surface of the Top Deck.
and either place a Sensor Array on top or a Off Duty area like a Officers Lounge .
Generation Films - NOPE the Enterprise A was a NEWLY Built ENTERPRISE class Starship that payed homage to the NCC-1701 Constitution class starship. this was a Heavy Departure from the ENT Refit and the NEW Enterprise Class Starship was a Complete different layout than the REFIT Enterprise 1701.
Generation Films - the Enterprise in the WRATH of KAHN was now a Training Vessel and a UNTESTED new Cadets .
the ONLY Senior staff were the TOS Enterprise crew.
Furthermore , its generally assumed all Federation Starships are Friendly to one another , and KAHN exploited this.
the Reliant was able to Raise its Sheilds and Deffence fields before Enterprise could Raise hers because KIRK was caught with his PANTS Down. this is why KIRK was a ADMIRAL and flew a DESK instead of a Star Ship.
the Reliant is also Better Protected and lower Profile as the Reliant is a FRIGGATE and a TACTICAL ship equipped with MEGA Phasors. however Reliant only had a Auto Torp on the Roll Bar whereas Enterprice could carry MORE Torpedoes.
RELIANT had a much smaller Cross Section with no NECK and no Secondary hull, like ENTERPRISE .
the 1701 was Larger and thus EASER to Target.
and KAHN many years ago Studied the Enterprise Design and he KNEW exactly were to Strike.
Generation Films - regarding Teething problemes of the 1701-A (Ti Ho) aka USS Enterprise-A.
the Ti - Ho was a NEW Generation of ENTERPRISE Class starships that played homage to the Classic 1701 Constitution class and the REFIT.
but, everything was Entirely NEW . including the TRANSWARP Nacelles , which were modified to RESEMBLE the 1701 REFIT Nacelles and built by LEEDING Engines.
as this was an EXPREIMENTAL ship , the FIRST WORKING Transwarp ship after SCOTTY Disabled the NX-2000 Excelsior (EARLY Transwarp ship) , this caused STARFLEET to reexamine the Transwarp Comcept, and Decided to use a MORE compact Starship for the TESTBED.
despite its Early Problems in Star Trek V , by the time of Star Trek VI - undiscovered country , the 1701-A Enterprise worked PERFECTLY.
Generation Films - when SYBOK landed in the Shuttle bay , SYBOK already controled SULU and UHURA minds , and SYBOK contiued to use MIND CONTROL on the Crew.
The separate phaser room is a lot like real warships of the era. Heck considering how many writers served in WWII they probably based it on real warship layouts they experienced.
Makes me think of WW2 submarine movies. The captain orders "fire", but someone in the torpedo room actually pushed the button.
True, but those real warships didn't have the modern luxuries of computers that could handle things remotely. To fire a torpedo, you needed someone at the torpedo bay. To aim a gun, someone had to be at the gun pulling levers and spinning wheels. By the time of Star Fleet, all of this could have been (and in the show, seems like it was) all done with electronics that were controlled with computer panels. To move the control panel to the bridge would have been trivial in-universe, and is therefore a potential flaw of the ship, though it may have improved the show and increased ratings with the audience of the time
@@generalcodsworth4417 Constitution Class was developed during the seven years war, it was a battlecruiser capable of matching the Klingon D7, disguised as an exploration vessel. This is also why so many of them were lost with all hands, they pushed the boundaries of known space and frequently got into fights.
@@generalcodsworth4417 All good points on what "could have been" in terms of design, but I suspect there's a certain principle of sci-fi writing at work here.
Sci-fi has to be futuristic, but at the same time familiar enough that the audience can relate to it. The separate firing room keeps things familiar with the similarity to WW2 sub movies. (Not to mention also allowing the plot device of the phaser coolant leak...)
@@ChattahoocheeRiverRat , that is true that the point of Star Trek was first and foremost to be a show with a good story. If the writers did enough research to make a totally accurate and plausible warp capable vessel for the show, we'd have them irl because they'd have invented the real deal by that point. They do deserve some credit for making something that worked to tell a story
When you say "kind of terrible special effects" about "The Cage" produced sixty years ago, you ought to be saying "exciting special effects - at the time". lol
agree, quite Groundbreaking. and very Advanced to what TOHO was doing in the 1960's , and Tsubara Productions (Ultraman).
He does not take things in the context of their times because he was never taught to.
Also with the times the Enterprise was stolen. Does he not understand that that was necessary to the plot of the movie or episode?
I can answer his questions with three simple terms BUDGET, BUDGET BUDGET. Add to those, Science Fiction TV shows at that time were rare and considered second tier.
@@coleparker Yep. 'And that becomes all the more reason to admire and celebrate the devoted wizardry of the original set and effects artists.
"It was plagued with technical issues." Yeah, like having 78 decks on a ship that had 24 decks. Do you know how much you have to screw up that making your ship into a TARDIS on accident?
Apparently if you are Shattner, just once.
With transporters, quarantine was not considered necessary. They were programmed to remove any pathogens detected in the stream.
Guess Tribbles weren’t considered harmful, too darn cute!
Yeah, but... T'Pol... sensuous decontamination gels......
@@rsrt6910 Me likee 😍😍
That tech didn’t exist in TOS. It was presumed space medicine was sufficiently advanced.
Quarantine would have derailed several episodes, let alone customs... No tribble storyline.
"Spock fails to shoot him because he's a Vulcan."
No, Spock fails to shoot him because he's his brother...
You would think he'd mention that, right?! Not the best at googling, this bunch. ;-/
@@robertcartier5088 Yeah, and the shield failure was because Khan got the security codes and disabled them and not because they took too long to raise... But he did say some of it was just him making some light fun of it...
@@ZeoCyberG that's incorrect. Khan was unaware of the security code because this was how Kirk escaped the first encounter.
@@bartscanland9415 You forget Khan captured Chekov and the other officer and put the mind control worms in them... He just didn't know enough to block it... Khan was just limited to 2 dimensional thinking...
@@ZeoCyberG Chekov and Terrell wouldn't have had Enterprise's prefix codes memorized. Kirk told Saavik to access the data charts on the Reliant, which is how they were able to obtain the Reliant's Prefix code. Also, Khan wouldn't have had Chekov and Terrell give him the Enterprise's prefix codes because he didn't know about prefix codes. The film establishes that Khan had no idea about the Prefix codes which allow one ship to disable the shields of another, which is precisely how Kirk was able to outwit Khan in that battle. So no, the reason they didn't get the shields up in time is because they didn't get the shields up in time, plain and simple. And when Sulu tries later he says "I can't get power" (because the Reliant had already taken out the Enterprises main power systems). Kirk ordered auxiliary power, Scotty said they only had enough power for a few shots of phasers, and Spock said they couldn't escape on auxiliary power.
they had some kind of transparent aluminum by then, so the windows were probably nearly as good as whatever the rest of the hull was covered with
Yeah, but his main point still stands, we have cameras that can read a license plate from 400 miles away travelling at 18,000 mph, technically, with most enemy ships less than a mile away during battles oughta be able to read Kirk's fingerprints while he picks his nose.
@@rsrt6910 the ships have to be close enough together for the audience to see them shooting at each other on tv or film screen
We have transparent aluminium since the mid 80's, doesn't seem to be all that useful.
(Seriously, that patent was filed just before star trek IV had hit the cinemas)
Yes, Scotty gives a company the formula in the voyage home to build the tank to transport the whales.
In Star Wars they have Transparisteel windows
@@iangreen4572 No, I mean the actual real world did have transparent Aluminium by the time the movie came out.
The patent was filed just before, by pure chance.
And the original idea is what later developments like gorilla glass are based on
Just an observation about the thin neck. During TOS, weapons and shields were usually strongest at the front so you tried to keep your nose on the enemy. With the thin neck, it was harder to hit.
That's an answer for thinkers... OK being sarcastic/nasty here. As I mentioned elsewhere, a shooter doesn't aim for the hardest target.
Aye, the neck isn't a priority target, the largest part is.
That's like telling a soldier to shoot the throat instead of the body.
@@valor1omega except if you shoot in the body it will still kill the person. It’s not the same
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It's easier to target the body then the neck and that's after you mange to punch through the shields.
Also the way the fights work is like what we see in the wrath of Khan not the star wars style combat idiocy we see in ds9.
That means hitting the neck is much harder than you might think so targeting the body is better.
@@valor1omega except that the weapons have computer locking capabilities which allow for precision strikes.
"Unresponsive shields" In ST2 they're switching scenes so when Kirk says raise shields Khan very likely said "fire" at the same time or just before Kirk gave the order. So even though the shield button was pushed at that very moment it was being hit by phaser fire
It ought to have been Spock's job to order the shields raised. He probably thought 'Nah, it'll be fine, Kirk knows what he's doing'. Obviously not.
"why haven't they raised shields?"
"Because we are all one big happy fleet" - Khan
He fired without warning so by time they went to put up shields Khan had already ordered them to fire.
It all happened at the same exact time.
...and by the time they were hit in the center of engineering, shields would not come online.
Also, whatever contraptionry actually generates the shielding may need some time to come up to power
@@ChattahoocheeRiverRat Actually their shields are always on just at low power and used to essentially just protect the ship from small space debris. When the ship goes to red alert more power is diverted to the shield
Tucker and Archer were "decontaminating" T'Pol on the Enterprise.
With my luck, I'd get stuck with Ensign Boimler.
I'm hoping to get paired with Hoshi Sato.....💕
@@AC_702 _Evil_ Hoshi Sato...
Why do I think he's never actually watched TOS?
or done much research on it at all
I'm so glad it is not just me.
I don't think he has a clue what he's talking about, he's just milking a popular series for views.
He does have a point about the security cameras. They really aren't used as often as they could be.
Because he never did watch the original series.
Would have really thought that the warp pylons would be on the list.
This constant problem that is comparable to the neck?
@@jozefkozon4520 more so, pylons and warp nacelle exposure is exploited agains starfleet vessels way more often on the screen!
@@MehrumesDagon Tactically, the federation's technical limitations turn their ships into multi-bullseye mobile targets. Ncells? Fragile construction? Exposed vital systems? All out in open. None of their platforms are suitable for combat, with two or three exceptions.
oh common they are built out of some super strong alloy so they are just fine
@@raven4k998excuse me, but the video reference through the series, does not show much of support towards those "super strong alloys" being strong enough to be justifiable structure. To be precise, within The Original Series itself, all combat is considered won or lost on shields alone - most of fights is firing couple salvos and if shields are still up at that point both sides assumes them being inpenetrable, and other solutions are pursued. It's only the movies that established concept of ship being hit without shields up and not outright exploding to smithereens in single shot.
And even if there was some fantasy super-alloy at play it would still make for a better ship to not do structural weakpoints like this - no matter how imposibly "strong" and resistant your alloy is, it will work better with better structural layout.
“The tractor beam won’t be installed until Tuesday” is my go to for anything getting done these days. People still don’t get the reference 😂
It's coming Tuesday my dudes...
To be fair, they weren't meant to be on any mission, it was the first shakedown cruise just to test it and do a bit of PR!
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So where was home fleet protecting Earth and the Federation government?
@@seriousthree6071 these were coming Tuesday, duuuhhhhhh
My favorite was, “If the people in the phaser room are flirting, you may never get to fire the phasers!” That was hilarious!!! 😂🤣
No. The SHIELDS in that film were slower because the tactical display shows the "shield dots" taking a few seconds to surround the ship
@Account NumberEight Right 😆
The original Enterprise had a stair down from the bridge in its blueprints. Guess the engineers forgot to install it. The Ent. D also has a ramp down to the next deck. You can see it in the upper left corner of its blueprints.
In the time of the TOS, the transporter provided the quarantine by filtering out harmful pathogens.
The manual firing of phasers from the phaser room was the backup. Normally the computer would fire the phasers when commanded from the bridge but if that failed, they could be fired from the phaser room, which was manned during red alert.
Like the man said, it was a socialist utopia. Why would any shipyard worker install a set of stairs that they didn't have to.
@@rsrt6910 Because its the right thing to do.
Don't forget, even the Enterprise Refit/A had 2 turbolifts in both the movies and blueprints.
I am guessing that had some other quarantine and decon method for away teams that traveled by shuttle instead of transporter.
@Dissident Aggressor Transporter room. Please engage beaming protocol Number 2.
Trekyards would like to have a word with you...
Yeah, he got something wrong about that warp core.... It wasn't in the neck. Originally, it wasn't even vertical, it was horizontal. As for the torpedoes, on the original ncc 1701 before the refit, the launcher was on bottom of the saucer. Doesn't mean there wasn't a magazine in the neck, but that wasn't the location of the launcher until after refit.
@@johnw2026 The warp core was in the neck on the refit. In fact the panelling is blue where the core is, assumably removable panels but hey another shoot me here signal for other ships.
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@@outonroad
It was in the neck of the original Connie as well.
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I think that the separate phaser room is a reference to naval ships having fire control stuff they talk to to use the big guns
it definitely was. Just look at the episode Balance of Terror. the whole episode was loosely based on a submarine movie battle ( i cant remember which one )
@@omega311888 In fact "Balance of Terror" is the only episode in which the phaser control room appears. In every other episode, Sulu operates the phasers directly from the helm console.
@@omega311888 The movie in question is 'The Enemy Below', and was readily acknowledged.
I always thought after the phaser room was shown to be a problem it was rerouted to the bridge and the control room was a manual backup
On real ships you have gun directors, where the guns can be aimed, the gun turret, if it's big enough to be manned, then it has provision to aim the mount from inside, then you have the loading room where the shells are loaded into the turret etc.
On the bridge always exploding with showers of sparks, I always wanted an episode that addressed how humanity lost or forgot all circuit breaker technology in say the early 2100's.
I may be misremembering, but I think Federation starships are said to use supercharged plasma to convey power to all of the ships' systems and controls. What is exploding all of the time, are these plasma conduits. To hazard a complete guess, the authors could be suggesting they found a way to make plasma behave as a superconductor, which would give virtually no power losses from the conduits and connections. This would save all of the power for doing the work that the machines need to do. The episodes we watch are where all of the exciting stuff (explosions etc.) happen. The other 99% of their time is spent benefiting from super efficient power usage...
Black powder was used for the low budget TOS effects. Yeah, it was really corny. Nichell Nichols got 2nd deg flash burns on her face while rigging a 'subspace bypass circuit' on the bridge set.
@@jlfrasch there's this thing called optoisolation been around since the 80s. Basically you use light to transmit data from the PLC ( computer brain for complex factory and refinery process) to the high voltage equipment meaning your computer controls have no power cross over to anything above a 24volt control power and any arch flashes or dangerous shorts are away from the controls.
Theres another thung called a relay its been around since the 50s if not earlier. It uses a transformer to allow low volatge control wiring to directly control high voltage equipment.
A gas plant doeant run its main 4k volt power cables into yhe control room consoles why the hell would an armed space craft route its main power through controls.
Id buy the surges and explosions on an engineering console by the warp core as equipment offten has some form of localized control on it but the bridge should
should yld be completely isolated from the main power
And seat belts.
@@Scyllax At least on for the Captains substantial girth.
Don't you know: "All bridge panels *must* made of explodium" is one of Starfleet's design rules.
Also, if it isn't made of explodium, it needs to be made of Incendium (or at least alloyed with Incendium). Consider the flames in the underground command bunker early in Balance of Terror.
You do realize that those exploding locations was caused by overloading power systems right?
Remember power feedback is a thing.
A home struck by lightning, anything plugged in had a chance of being fried and or exploding.
Hell iPhones use to explode if over charged(cannot remember which model).
The overloads tend to happen when the shields are overloaded before going down or powerful enough blast to cause an overload in the ship's power systems.
Also for dramatic effect.
In sto we don't see heavy damage to the bridge unless hit hard, or flying close to a star.
Why? Because it isn't needed.
Nothing takes place in the bridge 99% of the time.
It's the same in the show.
But to be fair the defiant, voy, and the E you could spit on them with shields up and 2/3 of the bridge would be damaged while the Connie requires direct hits to the hull to cause the bridge systems to take damage.
So even with a neck the Connie was a lot more tougher than neckless ships like the defiant, but it was also built in an era where the federation was in a state of a cold war with the Klingons where a fight could happen at any time.
"Press the button and it takes about 10 minutes to work..." Sounds like my Dell Laptop.
Still faster than the old dial up days of AOL.. LOL
yeah well she didn't make as much power as the other enterprises that's why it took ten minutes it took that long to build up a charge for the system to work
My laptop is faster and it is 15 years old.
HP has entered the chat
Install a new Solid State Drive in it and ditch the old mechanical hard drive.
Either that, or you have a serious bloatware problem!
Technical Problems when they haven't even started their shakedown cruise don't count. Emergency missions and the Enterprise being the Only ship at the Federation HQ don't change that.
That's more an issue with Starfleet's resource management.
Real problems are the lack of physical barriers in the Brig, lack of seat belts/harness and bridge consoles exploding when the ship is shot anywhere other than the bridge.
also random steam pipes that run through the bridge bursting with the slightest hit
@@coreytaylor447 how else are you supposed to kill off the red shirts?
Don't forget the space rocks!
A decade after this was shown on TV, I was in school already learning how to make low-power remote control circuits to avoid having high voltage shit behind control panels! How they kept doing this dumb-ass move for decades after was probably the dumbest thing I'd ever seen in Sci-Fi! Hard to fault them, they were all doing it!
Don't expect to see this bullshit on The Expanse! They're more likely to show you how to lose your head from a silent railgun slug! lol
@@coreytaylor447 Not steam, plasma... EPS conduits is how they transferred power from the anti-matter/matter reactor core to the whole ship. Artificial gravity, structural integrity field, etc. that not only provided life support but prevented them going splat when going percentages of light speed on impulse drive and also helped the ship withstand enormous stresses... Down side, they conduct energy and so any power fluctuation or transfer from energy weapons can cause chain reaction of damage but it's what made their form of space travel possible with warp drive, etc.
you forgot random steam pipes running though the bridge that burst with the slightest bump
Lmao. Good one
"Spock fails to shoot [Sybok] because he's a Vulcan . . . ."
Yeah, and HIS BROTHER!!!
Step Brother. Same father, different mother.
@@tmd63 Still family.
I assume he was defending the more recent fans from spoilers :p
Bit of Trek trivia... For the set design of the bridge they built a loo just on the other side of the main view screen. Many a shot was ruined when somebody flushed. Flashforward a few years, amid the growing scandal of where were the bathrooms on the Enterprise, Franz Joseph cheekily added a restroom to the blueprints. To boldly go where no man has gone before.
Flushforward...?
The episode 'The Menagerie' also featured someone hijacking the original Enterprise. Spock was the sole hijacker.
I've often referred to Starfleet ships as "space Pintos" because of their propensity to explode.
Only us geezers actually get that reference! lol
@@robertcartier5088 And those who watched "I Love the 70's"
Only if the Enterprise is hit from the rear.
Wasn't the thin neck originally designed as a way to turn the entire saucer into an escape pod? Blow the neck and let the engineering section explode while the saucer still has impulse power.
See Star Trek Continues or Star Trek Beyond.
Yes
It's actually brought up as an option in a couple TOS episodes. The Apple for sure. Nacells can also detach.
vfx artists: forget the green-screen
also the vfx artists: nah, the sky's green now
Back in the 1966-1969 era, there was no such thing as VFX like now. Those skies were cameras with a colored lens on them, or a glass matte painting (I saw a set once during a tour of Universal Studios Hollywood years ago).
I thought they were still using bluescreens back then
@@Gwestytears you can actually see the black square around the enterprise in the TOS scenes of the exterior of the ship because there really wasn't blue screen or green screen at the time. In order to film the exterior of the ship the background was black and they simply merged to two pieces of film. They eliminated this during the digital upgrading of the show in later years. So you would have to find an original series episode prior to the digitalization to see it.
@@seajaye9540 were blue screens used more often in the 70s? Star wars used them
@@Steve_in_NJ Blue screens were invented in the 1930's. Who knows if the technique was widely used in the late 1960's.
How about the warp nacelles being up on sticks, Ben? If the neck is a flaw then the nacelles are a catastrophe. I always wondered why they weren't the first target in any battle!
It sure was when building the AMT model on 1972, but it is assumed that the warp field nacelles have to be held out away from the core, so that likely gets a pass.
In TOS there were no other starfleet ships shown than the "Starship Class" cruiser (later post series called Constitution Class). There was no other method of generating Warp shown except on the D7 and those Enterprise clones. The Romulans didn't use Warp, just impulse in TOS and even their nacelles are held put at extreme distance.
Well, that would cause a massive explosion... Like a mini super nova and any nearby ship could be destroyed unless it could warp away or had powerful enough shields... It's enough to cause massive damage to a planet, which is why when they self destructed the Enterprise in Search For Spock, the code he used was for jettisoning the warp core so it would not explode and used conventional explosives to destroy the ship because they were too close to the planet...
Destruction of the warp cores could also cause damage to subspace and make FTL travel in the area more difficult to impossible... Mind, in STTNG they put in traditional warp technology was eroding subspace and put in a warp 5 speed limit until they could develop better warp tech...
So the writers apparently did think of that in some ways...
@@ZeoCyberG
Well yeah they did think of that, that's why trek was good.
We had writers who had something in-between their ears unlike std/Picard writers who had nothing in-between theirs.
Forget that---the Bridge is literally exposed on a mound on the top of the ship.
Hit that, and the entire command crew is dead.
@@blppt luckily The Empire didn't make such a mistake.
Me: "There's NO aft firing arc on the Constiution classes" And no ventral, dorsal, or P/S, or... anywhere except facing forward.
Also me: "At least half the Constitutions didn't make their 5 year mission (maybe only 1 did)"
Ben: the coffee dispenser is complelely in the wrong place!
Also, the top part of the warp core, (the part in the neck) isn't that explodey since it's the matter end of the reactor. So, semi explodey.
"Me: 'There's NO aft firing arc on the Constiution classes" And no ventral, dorsal, or P/S, or... anywhere except facing forward.'"
That is incorrect. As a matter of fact, the firing arcs cover 360°. That ship has 14 Phaser banks after all and they are placed pretty intelligently.
@@perryrhodan1936 There is 18 Phaser banks on the Enterprise. 20 on the Discovery version. You can clearly see where all the Phaser banks are on the refit version, not so much the TOS version.
The Enterprise outguns a Klingon Bird of Prey 10 to 1.
@@SackAttack81 the TOS Enterprise didn't have Banks, it had Batteries one upper front and one lower front of the saucer, and one at the back of the secondary hull, each had multiple phaser weapons and could track to cover a wide arc of fire, pretty much but not quite 360" coverage. Officially she had aft torpedoes, but they are not visible on the model and never seen firing. Also each phaser was a single shot weapon and needed recharging between shots, so having a battery allowed them to cycle through active weapons whilst others were 'reloaded'.
This is because it was how gun batteries worked on 1950's-60's naval vessels without automation. They didn't envision the kind of automatic weapons our naval vessels have now, let alone what they could have in the future. This is also why they had a Phaser Control Room on the TOS Enterprise. The clip showing the woman at the control board was revolutionary and controversial at the time.
Warp core wasn’t the same in TOS. Matter/antimatter was in the nacelles. Warp engineering was a reactor but nothing like the linear intermix system introduced in the movies.
@@qdllc It was very similar to the later M/ARA-Cores except for the shape and alignment. The annihilation has to take place in the reactor after all. Dilithium, used as a regulator then helps with controlling the Warp plasma-flow in the EPS-grid. Overall, a technology that didn't change in base function for several centuries. The Warp cores just went bigger and bigger until the 2270s, leading to some redesigns and the end result was the vertical Warp core we know since then.
The only real game changer that changed Warp cores significantly is that Starfleet moved away from Warp plasma and M/ARA-Systems as primary power supply in favor of the more potent polaric energy and corresponding Warp cores. And the change must've happened quite a while ago, because in the 32nd century AD, this polaric tech is common place in Starfleet.
@ 7:06 Spock did not fail to shoot him because Sybok was a Vulcan he did not shoot him because Syboc is Spock half brother.
You should've shown the movie "Star Trek Beyond" when you mentioned the Enterprise's thin neck. In that movie, the neck was literally was cut off.
"Imagine living in a house with dynamite in the walls..." Ohmuhgawd that made me laugh...
Dynamite plus rocks!
Your smoke alarm goes off causing the master bedroom's closet to explode. Federation tech at its finest.
@@RichO1701e The rocks are insulation foam in the panels
The explosion are from system overloads heavy damage or powerful power surges from powerful direct energy weapons.
You know something that 100% of the alien races use.
Besides if a home is hit by lightning electrical items can be fried or explode.
I do recall hearing cases where components in PCs have exploded and caught fire due to powerful serges of power.
Which is why you need to turn them off and unplug them during lighting storms.
In TOS, the warp core didn’t run through the neck. It was either concealed under the dilithium matrix in engineering or replaced by the matter/antimatter intermix valve, depending on who you ask
It was in the neck, it was shown in the blueprints and stated by the guys who created the ships.
@@valor1omega Really? It was in the refit enterprise but most of the schematics of the tos version I’ve seen either don’t show a warp core at all or have it under the dilithium matrix (as if that’s the top of the warp core). And as for it being stated by the creators, I find that quite unlikely since at the time of the original series’ airing, the warp core hadn’t even been thought of. They were probably talking about the refit/ enterprise a after the motion picture came out.
Either way, it’s great that Star Trek lets us have conversations like this and if all else fails we can always head cannon it to be whichever way we want 🖖
@@willowmillard
The original Connie the guy who came up with her said it was in the neck.
@@valor1omega Maybe it was, I can’t tell you what to believe. Personally I don’t think so, though. The fact that the antimatter storage dome at the top of the core on the refit isn’t on the tos makes me doubtful
One hopes this is all tongue in cheek as the things regarded as flaws are how they create drama and tension. Otherwise the series would not have been as much fun.
"Easy to steal" is a non issue. Ask any military - military craft never have keys or so. Too risky. They basically are protected by being surrounded by the military. Get people on board and you can steal it. That obviously does not cover bad security and - no people in engineering ;)
Technically the Enterprise D touch panels did a security scan for everyone that tried to access them, except when the plot required them not to lol
when i played starfleet academy, the manual states that Enterprise -A is technically Yorktown-which was mothballed and returned to service....then renamed Enterprise.
Did you even watch the movie?
Scotty had to bypass everything and they had only a limited time to slip through the doors.
The transporters removed anything that could be dangerous.
Also Trekyards would like to have a chat with you, lol.
I really appreciated this. I’m constantly screaming at the TV when I see how shoddy the Enterprise operates.
Re: taking back Kirk’s key. That’s _Admiral_ Kirk. The one captain who actually completed his 5-year mission, and had somewhat recently saved the planet from destruction. Not someone they would have figured to steal a starship.
Also they had Scotty who knew the ship inside and out.
He could feel even the slightest of vibration and he would know where on the old girl it was coming from without needing to look at a screen.
So it's no surprise that he and the rest of the senior bridge crew could steal the ship from space dock.
I love your Star Trek videos & American Ben's Expanse videos. When I look at that big clock in London, Ben Franklin, American Ben & you, I get a sense that Bens are awesome. Have a great day.
Just like _Uncle Ben's_ and Ben Sisko, lol!
If you actually watched Star Trek II, then you’d know by looking at a single monitor on the Reliant that shields took more than a few seconds to fully charge. So the Enterprise being hit /right after/ Kirk ordered shields is just bad timing on the captain, not the ship. And by then, since they still couldn’t raise shields, it’s probably because they were damaged in the first attack.
I swear, channels like this always seem to think they’re better than professional writers and always have snarky little remarks for when they “beat” the pros.
Yes, that's one point that I remember seeing even as a kid, the screen showing the shields raising in the form of dots quickly going around a diagram of the ship. In other words, it would take around 10 seconds for the shields to raise completely after the Captain's order.
No, most of these make since, including the shields to a point. You are right, the shields on the ship aren't as fast on ship's of the galaxy class, but Worf would have had his finger over the button to raise them on the Enterprise D too, and he does point this out. All in all, it was mostly a command failure, something Kirk alludes to after the battle.
@@jhmcd2 Even if Sulu had his finger directly on the button, the Reliant still fired phasers at the Enterprise before the shields could have been raised. Should Kirk have given the order sooner? Yes. But the fact is, it still happened too late. This was a flaw of both the Constitution-class and Reliant-class, not just the Enterprise. Hell, it was likely a failure of every Starfleet vessel in service at that time.
There's one more simpler reason... everything was happening simultaneously. The order from Khan to fire and Kirk to raise shield happened at the same time.
If you look closely at the captains status display, there is an indicator that shows shields going to raised status when the captain goes to yellow alert. So theoretically, the shields should have been up long before the captain even gave the order. Raising shields is supposed to be part of the automatic procedures done by the ship when going to yellow alert. So, bad writing?
All versions of the Enterprise until the E were primarily science and exploration vessels. You could just as easily make a video of the tactical disadvantages of the Voyager Space Probes and the Hubble Space Telescope.
"The weapons systems were more automated by the movies"...
I guess TWOK's manual torpedo launch room doesn't count? 😂
Let alone in 6:TUC
"Doctor, would you care to assist me in performing surgery on a photon torpedo?"
@@RichO1701e
For the most part they was automated.
Only times they was handled manually was due to damage or making modifications to the torpedo.
On the other hand, a model of the original Enterrise performed very well in wind tunnel tests, up to Mach 3. Also, the US Navy studied the layout of the original bridge, and found that it was a very good design.
Wait a tick, he’s got a goatee...he’s from the alternate universe!
Mirror* Universe
This is a tv show. Drama was high on the story telling. Effort was to have technological aspects for believability, and at the time of the original series, not much known about space. The networks also had a hand in presenting an action/drama series-"wagon train to the stars" and didn't like the show being too technical, as G. Roddenberry said.
Speaking of stealing starships, I remember a VHS Next-Gen game in the 90's where the D is taken over by a single Klingon who tells the computer to set course for Kronos, max warp and the ship just does it. Crew, why?
You! The one who is moving now! _Answer!_
To be fair, Alexa isn't that much better.
It happened in the book Ship of the Line. The maiden voyage of the Enterprise-E.
British BEN! What a pleasant surprise, nice to see you again dude!
I think the Star Trek plans of the Enterprise had stairs, I have check that out. Also there was a second bridge I believe if the first one was damage, though I agree placing the bridge on the top of ship is stupid, like no restraints for the crew to prevent them from being tossed around. Standing is even a stupider idea.
You also have to remember this was a limited budget 60’s TV show and only Capt Kirk’s chair was fastened to the floor!
Auxiliary control center
Actually thats exactly how military people steal military gear. They just walk in, start it up and drive off. 2 tanks and a helicopter that I know of so far.
The GTA V school of crime. 😄
"I know this ship like the back of my hand!" thunk. there was about 10ish verients based on the main constitution class ship type. resulting in alot of deck and internal hull modifications. and with the Enterprise-A, I think it was built as one ship,then commissioned as the U.S.S. Yorktown? then was recommissioned as the Enterprise-A right before the end of ST4 The Voyage Home. it was decomishiond a few years later so it was an older ship that at some point it got a refit.
“I think this new ship was put together by MONKEYS! Oh, she's got a fine engine, but half the doors won't open! And guess who's job it is to make it right?”
"Scotty, I gave you more time to get her shipshape, what happened?"
"I think ye gave me too much time."
To be fair, even Kirk had to ask for directions when he came back aboard the Enterprise in The Motion Picture.
It was the USS Yorktown, one of the few remaining Constitution class vessels left and was given the same refit as Enterprise. It was recommissioned Enterprise A after the original was destroyed.
@@davidanderson5055 always wondered how they could've decommissioned it so soon after its entrance in ST4. Now I know. And no wonder it was riddled with problems at the beginning of ST5.
I think the exploding bridge panels are my favorite. I know it's only a tv show, but wow, what did they do insulate the walls with C4? I worked at a plant for years as a electrical technician, whereas all the controls go to a single control room (like the bridge on the Enterprise) There shouldn't be any high energy wiring or devices in the panels (that is what relays are for) The worse that could've/should've happened would be breakers trips and the panels would go blank ( I guess wouldn't be very exciting?), of course there should also be back up controls to take over, we had them, and we weren't flying though space nor fighting Klingons.
At least the crew of the Enterprise doesn't have to worry about their security cam footage being leaked to the whole galaxy.
Except in "Court Marshal"
@@STho205 I thought that was all an illusion to keep everyone distracted while they went to Talos IV.
@@nowthatsjustducky yet the butt heads had the video logs.
Then of course there was Finney and the security camera on the captain's chair.
And we saw everything they and later crews did, as it was leaked and transmitted back through time to the 20th century.
@@nowthatsjustducky oh and the federation officers bugged the conference room conversation between Spock and Kirk about his hatred of the Klingon, and they leaked that to the Klingons.
And the Klingons got ahold of the Kirk film about Project Genesis.
I'm thinking Starfleet IS security is really shitty. They must write their passwords on the bottom of their tricorders.
@@STho205 So I'm not the only one who calls them the Buttheads... :D
In the actual Navy, and large ships in general, when the Captain gives an order it is relayed to the crew in the proper location to carry it out and there is usually a delay.
So the engine room crew actual adjusts the ships speed and the crew manning the cannons in the turrets select the right angles and manually fire the guns.
A few times on screen in Star Trek shows the bridge notifies the engine room to be ready for warp speed or to be ready to go the maximum warp
The Enterprise B was meant to just "run around the block", most likely to test her engines. Something you often do with a ship during construction. So I don't think it's quite so silly for her to be out and about with some components missing. Though why they were the only ship in range while in the Sol system is... well that's a common gripe that can be (and in many cases is) its own video.
#3 has A LOT of variables unaccounted for.
1) Cadet crew. They aren't as trained or experienced. Some may have not gotten much of any training in a lot of areas yet.
2) Protocols. Starfleet is often wildly unresponsive to such things. So not even giving the order is in character for how they operate. Plus Kirk let himself get arrogant or stupid despite a clear regulation that likely told him to act differently.
3) Activation time. The shields very likely need a moment to fully engage. The Reliant fires before they can become a defensive barrier.
4) Damage. The Reliant's first hit is the engineering section. That very likely ruined main power on impact, which left the shields without the power they need to activate.
You missed an exit with #8 for the Enterprise D. The conference room attaches to deck 1, or it's own turbo lift (never been certain which), so they could also get out that way.
Otherwise, can't say I disagree with any of them.
As the reigning TOS expert. Context, context and context.
Didn't it get taken over by some children and a ghost too?
Basically each time someone entered the enterprise and demanded control over the ship, he eventzally got it.
Yeah when he started that riff, I thought... 'oh boy, here come the kids.'
LOL, one of the worst _Trek_ episodes ever made . . . right up there with "The Way to Eden" (the "space hippies" episode).
@@gangfire5932 Who also stole the ship.
@@gangfire5932 For worst TOS episodes, don't forget to add 'The Empath' and 'Spock's Brain' to the list. I never minded 'The Way to Eden' so much...primarily due to Chekov's love interest, Irina! ;)
isn't "upper sensor array" just a typical star-trek-tech phrase for "window on the top"?😉
On the subject of easy to steal, there is the secondary/battle bridge that has been used to take control at least once by hostiles.
Also, if I designed the ship, I'd have emergency respirators stored in cabinets in key areas such as the bridge, main engineering, galley. Just in case Life Support was compromised.
The refit version had this. There are compartments throughout the bridge and ship clearly labeled as such. Just wasn't something that occurred to them in 1960's tv-land.
Regarding Khan and raising the shields: I always imagined, that alle the things on the bridges were happening much more simultaneously but could not been shown otherwise.
Should have mentioned the warp nacelle pylons that were thinner than the neck. Cut off one and the lose FTL.
OR she just runs around in circles reeealy, reeealy fast!
@@rsrt6910 "And at warp 8 we're going nowhere fast" - "Last Battlefield"
@@rsrt6910 Doubt it if there are ships with just one nacelle like the Kelvin. Also, the ship itself does not move in warp.
@@rsrt6910 I got a chuckle when i thought of that.
@@rsrt6910 That's now how propulsion in space works. Without the friction of an atmosphere the ship would still move forward with only one warp nacelle that's why space ships have to have maneuvering thrusters all around the ship.
I'd like to point out that separate fire controls from the main bridge are VERY common on military ships. Unless you're on something with very restricted space (like a submarine) CIC isn't even the same deck as the bridge. The bridge is where the ship is overall commanded from and where all steering commands are issued. CIC is in charge of the weapons and can act independently of the bridge but usually will only respond to orders from there.
In the classic series, the Enterprise had a feature where the shields would automatically come on in response to a threat.
Yet this feature seems absent from the refitted versions... though there might be reasons for that.
Star Trek II... the shields don't come on during Reliant's approach... but that might be due to it being a Federation vessel.
Star Trek III... again, with the approach of a Bird of Prey... shields don't come on. But ... Scotty might have been manually controlling the systems.
Star Trek V... shields don't come on before Bird of Prey opens fire. But that could be due to a: Cloaked vessel, or b: the previously mentioned technical glitches plaguing the ship.
Or maybe someone decided that shields coming on automatically on the approach of an unidentified vessel might be provocative and had the system removed.
Star Trek II...
Sir, their shields are still down
But of course. We are all one big happy fleet.
I know Ben just had to find enough flaws to make it to ten, but some of these 'flaws' were fixed in the show, in books, on deck plans and some aren't even valid, LOL. Oh, and that green sky was done, as were all the skies of alien planets, by putting up a white background and shining gel lights of different colours on them. The reason? To have someone paint a bloody skyline for every episode on a planet would have been astronomical money back then and Trek was on a very tight budget. The Constitution Class ran for over a century, so thats a pretty good track record I feel.
1: The bridge an easy target. It was, but then every race had their bridge pretty much in the same place in TOS era of ships. That see through dome though only appeared in the pilot episode 'The Cage'. It was quickly disposed of and in the animated series theres even a security system installed in the roof of the bridge.
2: Technical issue. The Enterprise B was supposed to fly around the block and back to dock, it was not even past its shakedown cruise yet and was still being worked on obviously. It was never supposed to be functional and go into an emergency situation but it had no choice when the SOS came in as it was the only ship available. I think we can cut them some slack there, lol.
3: Unresponsive shield. Yeah, got to admit this one has always baffled me too, lol, however in Wrath of Khan do you do see on a display that when the shields go up they go up slowly around the ship from the front in a clockwise motion till the entire ship is covered. So when Kirk asks for shields to go up they are still in the process of making that trip around the vessel when Khan orders the Reliant to fire.. Doesn't negate this valid criticism, just explaining :)
4: Bridge panels explode. Well, it is supposed have action in it, lol, so like with any other tv show they had to have obvious results to the ship getting hit. If all we see is a slight shimmy and someone saying so and so deck got hit it wouldn't be as thrilling, lol.
5: The thin neck. Again, yep, an obvious weakness. When it was designed the idea of the saucer section being able to part from the engineering hull was talked about, and so the neck design, but they didn't have the money to ever show that happening in the series till TNG pilot episode came around.
6: Stealing the ship. Sybok stealing the ship ... there is no real excuse for how that happened, but then again The Final Frontier is considered by many to be the worst movie with TOS characters in, so there is that, lol. As for Kirk and Co. stealing it from space dock. No one expected a Starfleet crew to try and steal a ship from a Starfleet base, I mean why would they? And they didn't just fly it straight out of the dock, Scotty had to hack into the door system to open them and only just managed it. Also he had to jury-rig the entire ship to run with only five people onboard and tells Kirk it won't hold up to any series manoeuvres or battle.
7: Easy to sabotage. Well, yeah, I mean if you managed to get aboard, which wouldn't be easy unless you were supposed to be there, I suppose there were a lot of ways to sabotage the ship. I am sure to a degree the same is true of navy ships today, although they are a lot more heavily crewed so it would be harder to sneak around.
8: Only one way off the bridge. In the deck plans of the Constitution class (which I own) published a few years after the show went off the air there is an emergency hatch situated in front of the helm station which can be opened and has a ladder going down to the next deck.
9: Poor quarantine. As we are talking about the Constitution class Enterprise I should point out that the transporter had a system in it which purged the person being beamed up of any harmful bacteria or viruses. Admittedly this was used way more in TNG, DS9 and Voyager, but I think I recall it was used on the plot once or twice in TOS.
10: A separate phaser firing room. Added for tension, especially in the episode shown here 'Balance of Terror' which was supposed to be similar to a WW2 destroyer chasing a Jap submarine it was a way to add in suspense. Quickly done away with after this episode though.
You forget this is Hollywood. Plus with anything built by humans is imperfect, just ask Nomad.
The thin neck and warp nacell pylons always seemed vulnerable, even watching it while I was younger. I can see the neck being okay (theoretically overlapping shield grids from the primary/secondary hull). Also, Khan didn't technically try to attack that section- It was dumb luck since weapon lock in the nebula didn't work. To the slow shield point, the trainee crew in engineering wasn't doing their job as they were too busy shitting their pants to route power where it needed to be so the shields may not be as big of an issue. Thanks for the cool video!
The ISD bridge doesn't look that exposed anymore, does it?
Two ships in combat at warp speeds.
Kirk-"Fire on my signal."
I still like the incredibly flawed sunroof/solarium. Yes. A huge weakness, but, a creative engineering genius -(or above average builder), could have managed a "lifehack", of the period, and made a protective dome, seem see-through -(at least.. from the inside).
Yeah, if you want smart starship designs, go read the Honor Harrington novels. The two bridges were in the middle of the ship as far as possible from the fusion bottles (power generators) - and the XO was always in the secondary bridge during combat situations because oh yeah sometimes the main bridge gets destroyed, killing the captain.
I prefer one of the reimagined Battlestars (preferably the Pegasus) for the same reasons.
Little known fact that the ship was supposed to be upside down. Gene decided it would be the way it is now.
actually Gene was *convinced* to leave it the way it was designed, after he first saw it upside down and liked it.
(posssibly because you couldnt set it down right side up)
I thought that was for the Reliant?
@@iWrick8111 That was true in the JJ movie as well.
No, he wanted it upside down, but thankfully the idiot was over ruled.
You really think Gene wrote anything?
There was three writers and he wasn't one of them.
The first terrible season of tng, had they not kicked his ass out of the chair TNG would have floundered.
The constitution class ships server really from the 2240s through the 2290s while possibly into early 2300s. So not nearly as long as the excelsior but still quite respectable. But yes the ship design did have it's flaws. Which is why the Excelsior tried to fix many of the flaws while building on what made the Constitution great.
Why would they "Take Kirks keys"? He had a certain level of trust as did his officers.
I remember the original Trek when it first came out, and a couple of things struck me almost immediately:
1 - all consoles in all rooms are so placed that users have their backs to the doors (which they never hear swoosh open) and so are taken completely by surprise by a hostile intruder
2 - whenever Enterprise is low on power, an external shot will show all the usual windows brightly lit. Wouldn't it make sense to turn these lights off to conserve power? (I know, that would call for a second model, in "dark mode")
Just saying, originally, a ship could be easily destroyed, even without weak spots, because of the firepower of the weapons. That is why they rely so much on shields, and plus Scotty has been seen saying that once shields go down their ship would be destroyed from a shot from the enemy vessel. Until the movies and TNG, where they completely throw that out of the window. So they probably found a new way to enhance the hull. Also, they probably didn't worry about ships can taken over because of the factor they could shut off shields on an enemy vessel as seen in Wrath of Khan. Also, Star Trek 5 was a pretty bad movie. They travel to the center of the galaxy too easily, and the whole story didn't really make sense.
Center of the galaxy, not universe. Otherwise decent post.
They can only "turn off" the shields of a Federation ship. They had to look up its 5-digit code as it was.
I suppose this guy never heard of shields? The bridge was protected as well as the rest of the ship.
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Decon on NCC 1701 Supposedly happens in the transporter, as a perfect bio pattern of every crew member is stored in the transporters memory. Harmful organisms are or can be filterd out and even weapons disabled.
Uh, Spock fails to shoot Sybok because he’s his half brother.
I think that was part of their "humanity first" jokes.
Flaw #11. That giant saucer section is basically a giant target.
Although, I do like the flaw about the thin neck. I think that's the most obvious flaw of the ship.
Flaws on the original Enterprise, buttons are not labelled. How the hell does everyone know what they're activating, lol!
Press square on your DS4.
You press them and get lucky. Star Trek Bridge Crew taught me that.
But for real, the actual reason for them not being labeled is because, in theory, if anybody ever took over the ship they wouldn’t know what button does what function.
Authorized, trained personnel only. That we actually a good security feature.
@@michaelglisson8240 I could understand a security measure so unauthorised people cannot have access, but the TNG era used a colour code, bold graphics and a series of numbers that represent that function (except in 'Generations' of course where it's just blatantly there for all to see shield modulation! AHHH, DON'T GET ME STARTED!!!) but TOS it's like a yellow button here, a red button there. Imagine your first time as communication officer.
Captain: _"Open hailing frequencies!"_
Communications: _"Yes, Captain!"_
.........................................
Captain: _"Well, what's taking so long!"_
Communications: _ [Thinking...] _"Is it is first green button in the second row, or second button in the third row?..."_
@@dannyr2976 As the keys on a piano are never labeled either. You know their meaning just by position through learning and training. And they are all just black and white.
Excelent video! Please do one of the Enterprise E's flaws (if there's any)
Another flaw for the battle: How can the USS Enterprise fire on an enemy vessel from the top? USS Enterprise fires enemy from the bottom.
Actually her phaser emitters was set in pairs of two, three pairs on the upper section of the saucer and a pair under the saucer.
They just used canned footage for budget reasons.
Enterprise A was broken a lot because it hadn't cleared it's shakedown. Even in real world navy builds, that's a fairly normal thing... you put a lot of custom parts together, some of it is bound to be malfunctioning at first. That's why commissioning is different from launch.
Star Fleet also doesn't seem to have any OSHA guidelines
Open ladders with no fall cages. Drives me nuts as we had to add them to almost all our laaders. What, OSHA stopped enforcing fall protection in that century?
@@davidhoffman1278 yeah and not to mention exploding computer terminals
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Plug in a computer to an outlet and run a powerful electrical surge through it and tell me what happens.
Same thing.
@@valor1omega yeah it's like this kind of hazard could be prevented if you just had a rough idea of the weapons capabilities of your opponents
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Even if you did know doesn't mean it would help much if they overload the shields and cause powerful feedback throughout the system.
The shields and Kahn. I always took that scene as stuff that happened at the same time
1 TOS was FLAWLESS.
2 How dare you.
Captain Kirk managed just fine with VERY primitive equipment!
Jolly Rancher candy glued to cardboard control panels. State of the art in 1966! ✅
@@mattrodgers4878 "Mr. Scott, please stop eating the control switches."
"How dare you" was from a brainwashing leftist-minded Swedish girl named Greta Thunberg who spoke these words. Therefore, it is irrelevant because she has a lack of sense of politeness and understanding. She is a spoiled kid whom left-wing politicans and leftist mainstream media choose her as a token of the young generations to lead the leftist political advocate.
#1- the rerouting of all explosive materials to directly under the bridge consoles.
Everybody likes fireworks. they just celebrate silvester more often than others. rofl.
The Excelsior lasted for centuries cause it had a thick neck…
It lasted 100 years because B&B made their business to downplay as much of of TOS as they could, but couldn't get rid of ALL models of the era due to budget considerations. So, the Excelsior lasted while the Constitution didn't.
And I must comment that the original Enterprise (NX-01 doesn't count) survived for 40 years, was destroyed when was used for a mission waaay outside their operational parameters, with 2% of the intended crew, against a state of the art klingon ship. The Ent-D was completely crewed, operating well within their parameters and still managed to lose to a scout ship 20 years out of date. After seven years of operations. I don't know of any class that became obsolete in Trek canon faster than the Galaxy. Here's material for a future video: why the Galaxy class lasted so little time operating as a frontline ship.
@@sergioaccioly5219 Probably because the Galaxy Class was a Luxury liner made for a peaceful time that lasted around a decade.
@@TheSorrel Shouldn't ships of the line be build to do heavy work, including combat (as a deterrent, if nothing else?)> This "it was built for a different time" excuse never convinced me. The Ent-D never performed as the most badass ship in the known galaxy should work.
Sorry to "nit-pick" but Spock didn't just not shoot him "because he was a Vulcan," he was also his Brother!
As always thank you so very much for your video. (Always nice to see the Ben from (originally) across the pond.)
*Lore Reloaded* just released a video 3 hours later claiming that the Constitution class was decommissioned cause it could time travel easily and that was just too great a risk…
Which is proven by the fact that his video didn't get _uploaded first._
Flaw #11: Looking at Star Trek through the lens of 2021 and not 1966, when this "Wagon Train to the Stars" had to be sold to the Networks (Lucille Ball is the one who bought it -- Desilu Studios) and the budget for each set was $1200. Flaw #12: The mindset of 1966, where women wore mini-skirts and had to flirt with the men. And the men had to bed every alien female, or was that just Capt. Kirk? Seriously, as Spock would say, "Fascinating" as I never thought about the Constellation Class ship's neck or Turbo-lift doors in the Bridge.
If British Ben worked out and got ripped he could call himself Big Ben.
I was 9 years old watching the original Star Trek in 1966. More than 50 years later I'm still troubled by a sci fi series set in the 24th century that's written as a 19th century naval high seas adventure. Unless sci-fi fans wake up, Captain Horatio Hornblower will still be running free through the rest of the 21st century.
When you say infested the ship, you show kirk opening a cargo door on the space station. While both were infested, your image is misleading or your words are. Dud you even watch the show?
Great observations met with logical evidence.
The shields issue on TWOK is merely a plot device. Had Enterprise raised shields in time it would have been a very short battle: heavy cruiser + experienced commander v light cruiser + novice = dead light cruiser.
The phaser control room is on a parallel with all (and including) modern sea faring warship fire control room, which is situated deep inside the bowels of a warship. This is a good design feature as it prevents the all to vulnerable bridge (even on modern seafaring warships) being the hub of weapons system control. Even without the bridge or auxiliary control, a ship can still return fire.
On the Enterprise 8 pairs of phaser turret banks have to be powered & coordinated.