I used to be annoyed that the docking pylons pointed inward. It meant that if one ship is too large it could block the other two pylons from being used, while outward pointing pylons would have all of space to position the ship. But now knowing it’s to keep docked ships inside the shield bubble, and the cardassians probably designed it with a specific ship model in mind (the cargo transports, which were probably long and thin), makes it actually make sense.
Also, having the pylons face outwards means that if the station moved, the ships need to move with them much farther and faster to avoid damage. Being inside puts them closer to a rotational axis.
The Cardassians might have had the ore refinery on the station for security reasons. The ore seemed to be explosive and their were terrorists attacking buildings. Kinda hard to attack a space station with a couple of small fighters.
@@kertagin1 As if the cardassians would have cared about poisoning bajors biosphere. They probably wouldn't have lost any sleep about dumping waste in the nearest river.
@@bjoernusw5195 if it was just effecting the locals I have no doubt you'd be correct however they had settlements and holdings of their own people on planet, and the cardis did care for their own. most of the environment damage in DS9 was done to Bjor a the Cardasians were losing control or from strip mining. at least that's the feel I got watching the series. much of it like the initial damage to the station seemed to be an almost malicious act after they were leaving.
Strategically having an ore processing space station with slave labor makes it safer than a ground base center; Decreasing the chance of slaves escaping and terrorist reprisal. And the station could change orbit in case of finding new ore deposits or a catastrophe.
A planetside refinery can be on the wrong side of the planet from your mines. So if you have to transport it across half the planet, you might as well transport it to space when you're at it anyway. Add that to the security concerns, and a space station makes perfect sense.
I would imagine that the energy cost of ferrying such huge amounts of ore to orbit is not particularly efficient and hauling it via ground methods would be way more energy viable - but that would make it more open for being attacked during transit. and the resulting stone would amount to large amount of waste material - so unless they were firing that into sun directly or into other bajor moons that would pose a serious logistical waste problem.
I think you missed the biggest feature of them all: Captain Sisko's Baseball on his desk. Event Gul Dukat left it in place when he took over DS9 with the Dominion.
No they weren't, they were in the lobby of the bar, Quark would NEVER allow someone to leave before they paid their tab... Assuming he ever LET them run a Tab in the first place... Being a Greedy Ferengi, I expect he preferred the Pay first THEN you get your ...
@@HappilyHomicidalHooligan He's right though, they genuinely were, from set photos you can see where they were, but they never had a reason to have them in focus on the show. Quite a few of the facades they made didn't make it into an episode, but did thankfully make it into the technical manuals and into the reacreation of DS9 in star trek online.
Airlock with three door do make sense, because if the second door malfunction theycould still use the third one as redundant backup, so i think DS9 is very ugly but powerful and functional space station, it’s power system is similar to our today fusion reactor prototype
I noticed a weak spot on the station, Underneath seems to have a few blind spots. If the Klingons took advantage of those all they had to do was nail the reactor and the station goes bye-bye. But because of the proto mary sue sisko the Klingons was blind to it.
@@curious5887 Now now no need for such language I said prototype mary sue He gets away with crimes that would cause Kirk and Picard to be stripped of his command He is well loved by almost everyone His parents are worm hole aliens Always wins List goes on. The reason I said prototype is because he has some character development and some flaws. Let's look a true Mary Sue Burnham Loved by everyone Always wins Never lost a ship Goes to prison for her crimes but gets out and given rank on a ship Good at everything No flaws No character development at all Kirk doesn't always win Lost 2 ships Isn't well liked by everyone Actually went to prison for a while Was knocked down in rank for his actions. Great character development Picard Was captured Tortured and almost broken Violated by the Borg Forced to attack the federation Not well liked by everyone Lost his ship Heavy character development
@@valor1omega I protest. I think perhaps you are not as familiar with Deep Space Nine as you are with TNG and TOS, because you have overlooked huge portions of Sisko's character. Sisko is not well-loved by Federation higher-ups -- in fact, they are often at odds with him because he refuses to distance himself from the Bajoran religion. Nor is Sisko well-liked by Quark, or Odo (depending on the episode). He regularly butts heads with Kira, too. It's true that he's generally well-regarded, but not much more so than Kirk or Picard. Even with his deep relationship with Dax, Jadzia sometimes disregards his advice. True, his status as Emissary gives him lots of points with most Bajorans -- but not with Winn, in many ways the most powerful Bajoran. Sisko has conflicts with Kassidy Yates because he is overprotective of her. Q doesn't like Sisko. [1 of 4] (Continued below)
The main problem with how it was actually depicted in the series was that it felt small. Technically it's huge, but we only really got to see the same few areas over and over again, so the idea that it was city-sized never felt real.
Well, the whole thing about having 3 airlock doors kinda makes sense, one of those doors could serve as a backup in case of breach in one of the other 2 doors that would leave it to open space
@@phydeux Forcefields can run out of power, which can be a limited resource in a disaster. A solid wall will stay there much longer. I have a similar gripe about space prisons that rely on forcefield walls that fail if someone cuts the power.
@@darwinxavier3516 - Yeah, well, most people would say that if they're in a space prison it's for a reason, and that their loss is probably a cost savings in the long run.
@@phydeux Force Fields can fail, thus why I'd say having a 3rd airlock door would be a good idea, even if the Force Field was to fail or couldn't be used due to damage to the emitters
@AKUJIRULE Yep, he probably knows that. I've run restaurants, 55c isn't that much of an exaggeration in you're working near the ovens. though 35c is more likely.
@@danieltate2006 and the main reason for that was very simple - Straczyński first aproached paramount with his script for B5 and they rejected it - then thought it over - changed few things and puff - DS9 was born.
Processing the Ore in space makes perfect sense if theirs an active and growing Bajoran resistance blowing things up on the surface and as the ore is the main reason the Cardassains were occupying Bajor in the first place strategically it makes a lot of sense to move this processing into space were it will be much more secure. Though making it its much, much harder to attack is not the only advantage as it can also be shipped easily aboard transport ships in orbit at the station rather than having to go down to the planet. Cardassains tend to think things through, they were efficient and organised oppressors.
There was a military reason why they process the ore in space. Bajoran Resistance kept blowing them up on the planet. Therefore they built it in space as armed Bajorians could not reach the station (as transporters could find weapons on them). As for what they do with the unrefined ore, break it down to replicate into usable things. Replicators need some type of matter to use their protons and electrons to build new things, so they used the rock not refined. And the Cardassians did have replicators, be-it Replicators that are primitive compared to Federation Replicators.
As far as I recall the super strong armament only got installed prior to Season 4. In the Pilot, DS9 was very weakly armed. Headcannon would suggest they threw out the ore mining equipment and used the space for weapons instead.
Regarding Terok Nor's status as a refinery complex ... actually, it makes perfect sense, to the point we need to start thinking about how to build one irl, here in the Sol system. What doesn't make sense is mining high-density refractory metals on Bajor ... but then again, the main purpose to that wasn't the most efficient source of ore, but the most entertaining method of destroying the Bajorans. The main reason platinum-group metals are rare is the fact that as a silicate-crust planet forms, all the heavy stuff sinks to the middle. It makes a lot more sense to mine for heavier metals in, say, an asteroid belt, or possibly shatter a silicate world to get at the chewy metal centre. A somewhat mobile orbital station with massive refinery capability would be the way to go, given that any slag could be simply de-orbited towards the star to be disposed of, and there are many ways of generating power in space.
An omission, the Runnabouts also have modular sensor array, installed in the top of the vehicle, more sophisticated modules used to missions that need it .
I was actually assuming that they were mining asteroids but of they're getting the raw ores from Bajor, I agree it doesn't make sense to have an orbiting refinery.
"What do they do with the ore waste?" I'm sure they just vent it out into space, or towards Bajor to let it burn up in the atmosphere. I could see the Cardassians wanting to keep their valuable refining equipment off-planet for security reasons. Those pesky Bajoran insurgent-fanatics and all.
I figure ships would come in at regular intervals and grab all the scraps for hauling off and reprocessing for whatever else could be found in the leftovers.
i think they rather converted the waste into enery using the transporters, dematerialize it & then shunt it into batteries or something the like just my two cents btw ;)
I thought they break down the mater and used it to replicate things that could be replicated. Like food for Cardassian personnel and weapons for troops sent to the surface.
@@raw6668 that would be a double waste of energy - first to dematerialize matter - and then to rematerialize it. - it would be simpler to dump the leftovers into sun - or other close stellar bodies (like other Bajor moons).
@@krzosu Considering we don't know the energy requirement of a replicator or the full process in how they work in detail, it is hard to say. I assume the energy consumption would be roughly the same as a transporter since half the process is to demilitarize mater before reassembling them. Perhaps even less and more equivalent to a handheld phaser set to vaporize since they are just breaking down the material to be reassembled later, not compress it safely to reassemblee for transport over a long distance. As I said, they need to get the original matter somewhere to make things, why not the leftover rocks refined. It may be cheaper energy-wise than to drag an asteroid to the station to demilitarize for use of its replicators. And may cost, at least but probably less than, as much energy to transport them off the station with transporters, to begin with.
It may be big over all, but most of that "space" is vacuum! The station over all isn't quite so large if you only take internal (pressurized!) space into consideration!
I always appreciate a Trek vid from British Ben. As for the mining operation, I think it was just a make-work job as to ensure that the Cardassians wouldn't risk giving provisions to slackers.
I've always considered the term "warp core" to be a complete misnomer. It's really a Matter/Antimatter annihilation reactor that produces plasma. This plasma can be used for any purpose (i.e. powering a generator to run a microwave oven). It's just primarily used to inject plasma into the warp coils in the nacelles.
Nice video! I own that technical manual, which I bought new back when the show was airing. Read it thoroughly. However, it was a completely overlooked video game, “Deep Space Nine: Harbinger” which really allowed me to visualize the layout of DS9 extremely accurately. As the player, you could pretty well explore the entire station, walk through the pylons, etc. It really laid the station out beautifully and logically.
I was about to say that based on the degree of curvature we often see in shots of the habitat ring that such a size seemed unlikely. I then realized that the outer ring isn't the habitat but the docking ring. I don't remember shots from windows of the habitat ring showing the docking ring off in the distance so I guess I just assumed they were walking around the outer ring.
Star Trek was always a bit iffy when it came to the views out the window. You really should of seen more superstructure than you ever actually did. Entirely a budgetary thing though. Compositing properly angled views of the warp nacelles from the window of the Ent-D briefing room every time you had a scene in there would have been indulgently expensive and time consuming back then. Easy nowadays with digital editing and ubiquitous CGI.
The DS9 book "Day of the Vipers" says that the reason the Cardassians decided to process the ore on an orbital processing station is because to do so on the planet would render the planet itself uninhabitable. Like I guess it would poison the atmosphere. And the Cardassians aren't about to pass up the chance of having free slave labor in the Bajorans. Also not covered: There are rooms on the station that don't show up on the station's official schematics. Like if the station commander was under attack, there are places he/she could essentially "hide" until it was all clear. Even on the show, there was a door to a hallway in Sisko's office (I think it was only used a few times if that much) that led directly to a shuttle bay where I would assume Gul Dukat would make his escape, if he needed to.
When you discussed "size matters", you should have mentioned the scaling issue between the Enterprise D and the station....to make the station look bigger, they scaled down the big D to about half it's actual size. In one episode, they show a Galaxy class ship (USS Venture maybe) docked at the top of one of the pylons on the edge of the saucer section...which would not physically fit inside the upper parts of the pylons....unless one of the hidden features of DS9 was a "size reducer field", so that any size ship would be able to dock with it...
Just one thing, Star Fleet did not install the landing pads on the DS9. In the episode Empork Nor, O'Brian mentions that the landing pads are sealed. It even shows on a graphic that they are of the standard design.
3:17 *would not the process of transporters (if used in the mining transfer process) already break down the ore into a molecular structure that could easily be programmed to separate the desired ore by elemental designation and there by eliminating the unwanted slag and less valuable minerals?...much quicker and efficient and removing several steps in the purification making it more profitable and allowing it to be utilized far more quickly?*
At this time the Cardassians were vastly technologically inferior to the Federation as shown in The Wounded. Frankly, if they had decent replicator technology, they wouldn't need to conquer in order to feed their people. So I can see them not being able to fine tune their transporters the way a Starfleet version could be.
You should do a video on the more obscure areas of deep space nine. As well as the Enterprise 1701-D&E etc. Aka stuff that was mentioned but rarely if ever show. But was still interesting as well as perhaps important too.
Fun Fact: For the game Star Trek Online the DS9 promenade deck, piece for piece the original sets was rebuilt. Producers and actors of the original series were impressive that was the first time that they see the deck in a row. In the film shoot they always had only part pieces in the studio.
Around the 6:00 min mark, Ben talking about engines in Star Trek reminded me of a question that's been bugging me since TNG was still airing new episodes. How the hell can impulse engines be put in reverse? AFAIK they have their own independent fusion system that somehow or other pushes the ship forward with hyper-energized gas/plasma ( as opposed to the Warp Drive that somehow uses superhot plasma from a matter/anti-matter engine pushed hundreds of meters away from it's point of creation through some sort of coils in nacelles to warp space ) to produce speeds up to 0.9c depending on which material you're getting your info from. So how the hell does that go in reverse? There are no impulse engines on the front of the ship to start pushing in the opposite direction.
I was such a fan of DS9. I still have a little plastic model to put together and paint. My husband gave it to me for a birthday present. DS9 is by far the best Star Trek show. Those episodes with the dominion were so great. And everything about Odo and the cardassians. Ever so intelligent. Or those episodes with Quark and Odo... The best episode ever: Sisco brings the Romulans to join the war. Isn't it the most intelligent episode ever?
The US Navy along with the team that did the research, recently filed a patent of a system that lowers inertial mass. Apparently, they also have another patent for establishing a quantum vacuum around a hull which is supposed to reduce friction. One more patent they filed is a device to emit high frequency gravity waves.
*many regions of Bajor were contaminated by Cardassian occupation shenanigans, especially the farming regions During this time, the Cardassians not only decimated the Bajoran population and destroyed large parts of its infrastructure, but also poisoned several areas of the planet in order to compromise the food supply after their withdrawal. Affected regions included the Dahkur and Rakantha Provinces as well as the Northwest peninsula. Following the occupation, the Bajoran Provisional Government took steps to revitalize the planet's agricultural sector, such as using special grain processing centers and irrigating the Trilar Peninsula. In 2371, the Bajoran Agricultural Ministry developed soil reclamators that could detoxify the soil, but their number was limited, causing quarrels about their usage.* *the Cardassian's could be described as just a bunch of naughty anti-social intergalactic bipedal alpha sphincters*
Fuck me im so early that I might actually have travelled back in time and fallen out of the space ship I clearly came here on. When does the next portal open? I need to sell batteries to the deep state.
@@chouseification oh they want the batteries im selling. I've created a tesselated quantum space where I've contained a micro verse into a small box. Ye know the usual
I was thinking the station might have been built in the Cardassian system and then towed to Bajor like we do with oil platform. Also, there is the possibility of using micro gravity during the ore processing. We are actually trying this kind of things on the ISS.
@9:33 It actually makes sense from an engineering and safety standpoint. Extra redundancy in the event there was a security breach, an uncaught nuclear/biological/chemical incident with a docked ship, and a mechanical system failure to prevent the station from being depressurized in the event one of the doors failed and opened into space. (see once again, the rule of threes,) The Cardies knew what they were doing. :)
I always enjoyed Deep Space 9. I know a lot of Star Trek fans had issues with it because the station wasn't a space ship and its primary mission wasn't exploration (along with the fact that the core ongoing serialised plotline of the show was a war which some felt undermined the pacifist credentials of Star Fleet), but it was my favourite of the Next Generation era series. I used to watch both Deep Space 9 and Babylon 5 (two awesome space station based series running in the 1990s for some reason), much to the annoyance of my brother who can't stand sci fi. Ah, good times.
There were a few lines in the show where they said the Cardassians were strip mining the planet. So it's pretty safe to assume they'd beam huge chunks under it into space and then refine it by hand. Much more efficient than flying it around the planet
Never thought about it but now that you said it there are a lot of similarities between towns in western movies and the Promenade Western towns often also had a church that would have been taken by the bajoran temple
Nice to know all this! NOW, are you continuing the Ship Vs Ship from different Series? I really think you guys should do the Original Battlestar Galactica Ships Vs. The Imp Destroyers! Yah know what I mean!
2:36 - Perhaps Terok Nor was originally supplied with ore via a set of space elevators. Or, perhaps to protect from sabotage, they found it more cost effective to process it in space. Also, it's colder in space, and given the heat under which the Bajorans worked in refining the ore, the idea of a facility in space where heat can more easily be "bled off", it made it a safer and more productive environment. Thoughts? (After all, we're just making this stuff up, eh?)
@@RunnerX13 I also like it as it is but is fun to imagine what could have been. It would had go great with the narrative about the bajorans being an old warp capable civilization, the prophets, etc.
6:32 what they did was apply warp field physics theory to the station... The whole point of the warp nacelles was to generate a field within which the relativistic affects of travelling faster than light were negated What they did on deep space nine was essentially the same thing, but at a much lower stage, simply allowing for something not designed to move all that much to move at all...
The Problem was that the Special effects team didn't coordinate with the design team. Resulting in the effect errors. Also the station Refining the ore actually made sense. If you look at the pylons as being used to load the ore onto freighters. With the top 3 being used for processed ore. Then the Bottom 3 being used to load mined Raw Ore. Also remember the Bajorns made it a habit of sabotaging Cardassain operations. So security made sense to minimize that threat. Lastly if Cardassain ships and stations are anything to go by DS9 was an old left over Cardassain station from way back long ago. If memory serves i think it was referenced that there was only 8 or 9 left mostly abandoned derelict Stations and maybe 1 or 2 left in use in Cardassain space.
I would really like to see a review of ALL BASES OF THE STAR TREK! From K-9, to Deep Space 9 (Terok Nor and its sister base), Soran's base, to the Giant Base that mysteriously disappeared every time the Earth was threatened or the Borg showed up??!!!
My thoughts on the refinery ON the station is that Bayor was an occupied planet with an active resistances, I think from the point of the cardassians they dont want to expose every step of the mining process located on the planet... it was harder to plan an attack on the station than on the surface of the planet for the resistance. The Reference to a western town for the promenade makes so much sense... I never thought of it like that.
I thought the same thing about the rotary turrets firing phasers and torpedoes from the same holes. But a while ago I got curious and looked very closely. The torpedoes come out of the holes, while the phasers come from bands that wrap around the holes.
Given that The Original Series was imagined by Gene Roddenbury as a "Wagon Train To The Stars", it makes sense that many aspects of Deep Space 9 would resemble those you would find in many of the wild west towns/cities depicted in western TV shows/movies.
Actually a orbital ore process facility makes sense. The low gravity may help the refining- increasing yield. The processed material can easily be shipped away. The waste rock was likely dumped into Bajor's atmosphere and burned up.
As basically _everyone_ has pointed out... the Trek universe has matter-energy conversion technology (transporters, replicators, etc.) so dealing with ore processing tailings is simple: _convert it to energy_ (of course, some of that waste stream might also be processed into other things.) Also, they have anto=i-gravity tech in addition to transporters, so moving rocks around it's the same scale of problem we cavemen have. (and they use slave labor in their mines, so they don't care.)
I always thought it'd be cool to see them attach Empok Nor (the sister station) to the bottom of Terok Nor (Deep Space Nine) to roughly double the size of the station. Just cut off portions of the lower pylons (Terok) & the upper pylons (Empok), and merge them. Maybe put some of those rib shaped shipyard/repair bays (like Utopia Planitia uses) in between the upper & lower rings for repairing outer hulls of visiting starships.
I think the reason why they built the ore processing faciltiy in orbit was sort of explaining in one of the episodes. Basically put terrorism was too numerous on the surface so they had no choice but to put this key facility in orbit.
On the ore processing thing: The waste can be recycled into useable energy using replicator technology, which may be able to help pay for the energy cost of beaming. It'd still be more efficient to do it on the surface, but in space its probably easier to control the slaves.
That was the only series to fight an epic galactic war. TNG didn't do that though it had its share of showdowns and Voyager likewise, but Deep Space 9 always had the war as a backdrop for any direction they wanted. It was unprofitable for the Cardassians for reasons you made perfectly clear. The individual who thought up that whole process the ore in space thing obviously wasn't their best mathematician right? This was a golden opportunity for the Cardassians to dump it off on whomever in this case the Bajoran planet. You all know the rest of the story with the exception of how the Cardassians have a whole other station Empok Nor float in their mothball fleet in the middle of nowhere Cardassian space, and it's identical to DS9.
There are some elements, even in reality, that can be handled better in a space environment (zero-G, for example) than they can be on a planet. It might be that such ore needs to be refined in space for this reason. As far as the waste goes, they can easily aim it at the Bajoran sun and shoot it out without a lot of effort or energy.
And also, the Bajoran resistance was picking up steam at the time of the station's construction. It's entirely possible the Cardassians had valid security concerns regarding the ore they were mining (especially the fact that the raw ore could explode when charged with electricity). Moving ore processing and shipment to the station probably closed quite a few security holes that were beginning to pop up.
I always compare Deep Space Nine to shows like When Calls The Heart or wild west shows, and this video proves my point. Cardassians like the number 3? Nowonder.
2:54 It does make a lot of sense refining ore in space. Yes, you have to transport it to the station but it's very easy to get rid of the trash materials, hazardous leftovers, or chemicals used to refine the ore by ejecting it into space instead of dumping it into some type of landfill that could cause worse problems.
A space station being used to refine the ore might be easier. They could potentially mine the ore from all over the planet and beam it to one spot to refine. This could also be a safety and environmental conservation feature. It would also be ready and packaged for interstellar transport as soon as it was refined, along with what ever the waste materials get used for.
The thing about "reducing the station's inertial mass" made me think that it's just a more "technobabble" (or is it more "Treknobabble"?) version of Mass Effect reducing mass of an object by directing different polarities of energy through something called "Element Zero".
As we've seen and heard in ST films and ST:Picard, approaching and departing ships call the approach control or dockmaster for clearances, but DS9 kinda side-stepped the tradition using either Kira or O'Brien mostly.
Getting things into space being super expensive is true by our standards today, but in Star Trek they can just transport stuff around with very little cost (and getting into orbit is no big deal at all). The Cardassians just didn't want refineries on the planet where they could be taken over by resistance fighters.
exactly right - it's like Generation Film never actually watched the show and is conveniently forgetting EVERYTHING we know about the occupation of Bajor.
just crush it into relative small pieces and vent it into space in the general direction of the planet. The atmosphere will take care of the rest, and I don't think the cardassians would have cared about poisoning bajor
I actually have that technical manual, it was one of my favorite bathroom books during my 20s. Let me see, yeah it's still here in the throne room. Isn't it ironic that I'm actually using a device that looks and functions like a padd from star trek now? The things we take for granted these days.
Rhetorical question - Why would the Federation convert perfectly serviceable living quarters to shuttle bays, when the station already has probably thousands of cubic meters of space in the now-unused and pretty much useless ore refining areas?
My theory is that since the Cardassians were oppressive, they might have thought it good to have the ore refinery in orbit which would have made it far more hopeless to try to escape from there. That would certainly lower morale and the risk for a revolt.
Actually it makes sense to process ore on the space station if you're occupying a world where there's an active resistance. I'm sure there would be surface processing as well. But those would be occasionally sabotaged. And the waste can be ejected to burn up in the atmosphere or launched toward the star/sun.
About Ben's comment on the ore refinery facilities, I suspect that the Cardassians started out with ground based facilities for refining the mined ore, but there was a Guerilla force of Bajorans trying to drive the Cardassians from the planet, and as I remember, one of their favorite tactics was to bomb the refineries, so putting that part of the production process on an orbital space station was likely used as a security feature after the ground based version were bombed and/or destroyed a few dozen times.
There is also the possibility of asteroid mining operations. Tow, as apposed to self propulsion, it in to location in a field or belt and have it pull in with tractor beams or miner ships.
I really really want to get my hands on a bunch of those RUNABOUTS-!! I could make lots of useful things happen with some of them..not to forget living in decent conditions.
@@GenerationFilms Absolutely-!! Always first and foremost on my mind-! And 'Trek's creator would be pleased that I also often think doing the, "wagon circle", with them. Accidental ommage' to the, "old west in space" theme. Of course... my personal one, would have the extra, of a fully functional, HOLODECK...just in case the outdoor weather was going to blow out ..even away, the campfire. "Replicate", the local area, and still fire burn ...I mean ..cook..supper "outside".
I've always thought the reason they used Terok Nor for ore processing (instead of building a facility on Bajor) was to help keep the Bajoran workers from revolting. Of course they might try, but where would they go? Similar in concept to Alcatraz being surrounded by water, making it that much harder to escape and actually get somewhere. Now, as far as why they "had" to use slave labor instead of just machines or technology to extract/process the ore, I'll never quite understand.....and the only real explanation I can come up with is "they needed to be evil so the show made them evil" Lol
Worst job on DS9 during the Federation command era: Cleaning the deck of Quark’s holosuites.
That's not a mental image I needed
To late
Pretty sure the replicators built into the holosuite dematerialize the mess.
Just like the federation holodecks, they clean themselves.
@@ErzengelDesLichtes *that's a level of "eew" i never actually needed to have*
I used to be annoyed that the docking pylons pointed inward. It meant that if one ship is too large it could block the other two pylons from being used, while outward pointing pylons would have all of space to position the ship.
But now knowing it’s to keep docked ships inside the shield bubble, and the cardassians probably designed it with a specific ship model in mind (the cargo transports, which were probably long and thin), makes it actually make sense.
Also, having the pylons face outwards means that if the station moved, the ships need to move with them much farther and faster to avoid damage. Being inside puts them closer to a rotational axis.
I never thought about that, that the pylons are faced that way to keep ships protected by the station's shields. Head cannon updated.
O’Brien’s hard work making him the most important man in Starfleet history
O'brien is just a dollar store bargain bin Chinese knock off version of scotty.
Scotty is the best in Starfleet history.
Beam me up O'brien
@@elias_xp95
Lol, I hope he doesn't leave any part of you behind ;)
Sorry but Rom was more important, without him the federation would have collapsed.
@@RealengoPrimordialDemon
First important is Scotty
Second important is nog
Third is Morn
Deep Space Nine is the coolest and best looking space station in science fiction and you can't change my mind.
I wasn't going to, relax...
Nobody wants to change your mind.
So true
100% agree. Also, Runabouts are the coolest Star Trek shuttle and no one can change my mind.
The Cardassians might have had the ore refinery on the station for security reasons. The ore seemed to be explosive and their were terrorists attacking buildings. Kinda hard to attack a space station with a couple of small fighters.
Also the end product is going to get shipped to cardassia anyway
@@sovietdominion there is also the concerns for what exactly the by products of the process and how toxic they may be.
@@kertagin1 As if the cardassians would have cared about poisoning bajors biosphere. They probably wouldn't have lost any sleep about dumping waste in the nearest river.
@@kertagin1 Matter reclamation i thought
@@bjoernusw5195 if it was just effecting the locals I have no doubt you'd be correct however they had settlements and holdings of their own people on planet, and the cardis did care for their own. most of the environment damage in DS9 was done to Bjor a the Cardasians were losing control or from strip mining. at least that's the feel I got watching the series. much of it like the initial damage to the station seemed to be an almost malicious act after they were leaving.
Strategically having an ore processing space station with slave labor makes it safer than a ground base center; Decreasing the chance of slaves escaping and terrorist reprisal. And the station could change orbit in case of finding new ore deposits or a catastrophe.
Good point. I hadn't considered those things!
I always assumed that the ore was processed in space due to a need for vacuum at one stage, or to vent dangerous byproducts directly into space.
A planetside refinery can be on the wrong side of the planet from your mines. So if you have to transport it across half the planet, you might as well transport it to space when you're at it anyway. Add that to the security concerns, and a space station makes perfect sense.
@@westcoastgio6328 Interesting thought, but I can't remember anything in the show to support that
I would imagine that the energy cost of ferrying such huge amounts of ore to orbit is not particularly efficient and hauling it via ground methods would be way more energy viable - but that would make it more open for being attacked during transit.
and the resulting stone would amount to large amount of waste material - so unless they were firing that into sun directly or into other bajor moons that would pose a serious logistical waste problem.
The 2 dislikes are from Cardassians disappointed by loosing their space station
Yo.....Generation Films, thanks for liking this comment. Now I feel almost as Awsome as Constable Odo.... almost
38 as of now, clearly the Obsidian Order is up to no good.
@@yanickmonet5200 39 now.
@@yanickmonet5200 it's up to 50. The Breen Confederacy hasjoined in the fun, it would seem.
It's the Pah-Wraiths standing back and standing by.
I think you missed the biggest feature of them all: Captain Sisko's Baseball on his desk. Event Gul Dukat left it in place when he took over DS9 with the Dominion.
You didn't mention the ATMs.
They were across from Qurk's bar.
No they weren't, they were in the lobby of the bar, Quark would NEVER allow someone to leave before they paid their tab...
Assuming he ever LET them run a Tab in the first place...
Being a Greedy Ferengi, I expect he preferred the Pay first THEN you get your ...
@@HappilyHomicidalHooligan He's right though, they genuinely were, from set photos you can see where they were, but they never had a reason to have them in focus on the show. Quite a few of the facades they made didn't make it into an episode, but did thankfully make it into the technical manuals and into the reacreation of DS9 in star trek online.
It seems the ATMs are kind of disputed though, I don’t think you ever see someone getting latinum out of one
@@GenerationFilms Can you cover babylon 5
Airlock with three door do make sense, because if the second door malfunction theycould still use the third one as redundant backup, so i think DS9 is very ugly but powerful and functional space station, it’s power system is similar to our today fusion reactor prototype
It could also be an extra security measure, just so you would think really hard about letting some suspicious guy inside the station.
I noticed a weak spot on the station,
Underneath seems to have a few blind spots.
If the Klingons took advantage of those all they had to do was nail the reactor and the station goes bye-bye.
But because of the proto mary sue sisko the Klingons was blind to it.
@@valor1omega sisko is not mary stu
@@curious5887
Now now no need for such language
I said prototype mary sue
He gets away with crimes that would cause Kirk and Picard to be stripped of his command
He is well loved by almost everyone
His parents are worm hole aliens
Always wins
List goes on.
The reason I said prototype is because he has some character development and some flaws.
Let's look a true Mary Sue
Burnham
Loved by everyone
Always wins
Never lost a ship
Goes to prison for her crimes but gets out and given rank on a ship
Good at everything
No flaws
No character development at all
Kirk
doesn't always win
Lost 2 ships
Isn't well liked by everyone
Actually went to prison for a while
Was knocked down in rank for his actions.
Great character development
Picard
Was captured
Tortured and almost broken
Violated by the Borg
Forced to attack the federation
Not well liked by everyone
Lost his ship
Heavy character development
@@valor1omega
I protest.
I think perhaps you are not as familiar with Deep Space Nine as you are with TNG and TOS, because you have overlooked huge portions of Sisko's character.
Sisko is not well-loved by Federation higher-ups -- in fact, they are often at odds with him because he refuses to distance himself from the Bajoran religion.
Nor is Sisko well-liked by Quark, or Odo (depending on the episode). He regularly butts heads with Kira, too. It's true that he's generally well-regarded, but not much more so than Kirk or Picard. Even with his deep relationship with Dax, Jadzia sometimes disregards his advice. True, his status as Emissary gives him lots of points with most Bajorans -- but not with Winn, in many ways the most powerful Bajoran.
Sisko has conflicts with Kassidy Yates because he is overprotective of her. Q doesn't like Sisko.
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The Star Trek: Deep Space 9 series is my favourite thing ever to come out of the Star Trek franchise.
100%
The main problem with how it was actually depicted in the series was that it felt small. Technically it's huge, but we only really got to see the same few areas over and over again, so the idea that it was city-sized never felt real.
"Greed is eternal"
"Exploitation begins at home"
The space battles on DS9 were way better than anything I've ever seen on Discovery
Space battles in Discovery, from a special FX point of view, we’re basically Star wars
I stopped watching that show a long time ago. Did it ever improve?
@@fritsfelix8423 lol that bad, huh?
Best ship battles in all of Trek, including the movies.
Well, the whole thing about having 3 airlock doors kinda makes sense, one of those doors could serve as a backup in case of breach in one of the other 2 doors that would leave it to open space
You'd also have emergency force fields, so a third is really redundant.
@@phydeux Forcefields can run out of power, which can be a limited resource in a disaster. A solid wall will stay there much longer. I have a similar gripe about space prisons that rely on forcefield walls that fail if someone cuts the power.
@@darwinxavier3516 - Yeah, well, most people would say that if they're in a space prison it's for a reason, and that their loss is probably a cost savings in the long run.
@@phydeux Force Fields can fail, thus why I'd say having a 3rd airlock door would be a good idea, even if the Force Field was to fail or couldn't be used due to damage to the emitters
Bajorans: Working in 55C
Kitchen staff: Thats cute!
@AKUJIRULE Yep, he probably knows that. I've run restaurants, 55c isn't that much of an exaggeration in you're working near the ovens. though 35c is more likely.
The cultural "number 3" thing for cardassians is actually a rather interesting and clever concept!
Similar to the Minbari on Babylon 5. Not that there are many similarities between B5 and DS9, aside from them both being wonderful series.
THERE ARE THREE LIGHTS !!!!
@@danieltate2006 and the main reason for that was very simple - Straczyński first aproached paramount with his script for B5 and they rejected it - then thought it over - changed few things and puff - DS9 was born.
NASA uses the power of three , it's called redundancy... backup for the backup.
@@danieltate2006 DS9 is based on the series bible for B5.....
Processing the Ore in space makes perfect sense if theirs an active and growing Bajoran resistance blowing things up on the surface and as the ore is the main reason the Cardassains were occupying Bajor in the first place strategically it makes a lot of sense to move this processing into space were it will be much more secure. Though making it its much, much harder to attack is not the only advantage as it can also be shipped easily aboard transport ships in orbit at the station rather than having to go down to the planet. Cardassains tend to think things through, they were efficient and organised oppressors.
That would make sense for the refined ore, but not the processing locations
Great take
There was a military reason why they process the ore in space. Bajoran Resistance kept blowing them up on the planet. Therefore they built it in space as armed Bajorians could not reach the station (as transporters could find weapons on them).
As for what they do with the unrefined ore, break it down to replicate into usable things. Replicators need some type of matter to use their protons and electrons to build new things, so they used the rock not refined. And the Cardassians did have replicators, be-it Replicators that are primitive compared to Federation Replicators.
Sometimes I feel I'm one of the very few who actually think this was the best Star Trek series
I feel DS9 never got the appreciation it deserved
It was
As far as I recall the super strong armament only got installed prior to Season 4. In the Pilot, DS9 was very weakly armed. Headcannon would suggest they threw out the ore mining equipment and used the space for weapons instead.
Regarding Terok Nor's status as a refinery complex ... actually, it makes perfect sense, to the point we need to start thinking about how to build one irl, here in the Sol system. What doesn't make sense is mining high-density refractory metals on Bajor ... but then again, the main purpose to that wasn't the most efficient source of ore, but the most entertaining method of destroying the Bajorans.
The main reason platinum-group metals are rare is the fact that as a silicate-crust planet forms, all the heavy stuff sinks to the middle. It makes a lot more sense to mine for heavier metals in, say, an asteroid belt, or possibly shatter a silicate world to get at the chewy metal centre. A somewhat mobile orbital station with massive refinery capability would be the way to go, given that any slag could be simply de-orbited towards the star to be disposed of, and there are many ways of generating power in space.
An omission, the Runnabouts also have modular sensor array, installed in the top of the vehicle, more sophisticated modules used to missions that need it .
This isn't a video about runabouts, I don't think these details were necessary
I was actually assuming that they were mining asteroids but of they're getting the raw ores from Bajor, I agree it doesn't make sense to have an orbiting refinery.
Yeah they also added backups to backups that is the federation standard
of course. In case the first backup fails. lol.
10th. In ships ?
Not bad for a SPACE STATION.
I laughed too, but technically in CAN move, so it isn't actually "Stationary".
It works, but just barely 😂
"What do they do with the ore waste?"
I'm sure they just vent it out into space, or towards Bajor to let it burn up in the atmosphere. I could see the Cardassians wanting to keep their valuable refining equipment off-planet for security reasons. Those pesky Bajoran insurgent-fanatics and all.
I figure ships would come in at regular intervals and grab all the scraps for hauling off and reprocessing for whatever else could be found in the leftovers.
i think they rather converted the waste into enery using the transporters, dematerialize it & then shunt it into batteries or something the like just my two cents btw ;)
I thought they break down the mater and used it to replicate things that could be replicated. Like food for Cardassian personnel and weapons for troops sent to the surface.
@@raw6668 that would be a double waste of energy - first to dematerialize matter - and then to rematerialize it. - it would be simpler to dump the leftovers into sun - or other close stellar bodies (like other Bajor moons).
@@krzosu Considering we don't know the energy requirement of a replicator or the full process in how they work in detail, it is hard to say. I assume the energy consumption would be roughly the same as a transporter since half the process is to demilitarize mater before reassembling them. Perhaps even less and more equivalent to a handheld phaser set to vaporize since they are just breaking down the material to be reassembled later, not compress it safely to reassemblee for transport over a long distance.
As I said, they need to get the original matter somewhere to make things, why not the leftover rocks refined. It may be cheaper energy-wise than to drag an asteroid to the station to demilitarize for use of its replicators. And may cost, at least but probably less than, as much energy to transport them off the station with transporters, to begin with.
It may be big over all, but most of that "space" is vacuum! The station over all isn't quite so large if you only take internal (pressurized!) space into consideration!
You mean circumference not volume?
Last time I was this early Captain Pike was still commanding the Enterprise. 🧐
Last time I was this early, Zephram Cochrane hadn't launched the Phoenix yet.
I served under April. Pike is the newbie CO.
I helped bury Data’s head in the San Francisco cave.
The reason they put it in space was so it was almost impossible to destroy it
or escape
@@zarbonthedestroyer7232 true
Technically there are six pylons, three above and three below.
02:30, YES!?! And about 1000 other things. Well Done.
You are today's Hero 😆
"That's just a Star Trek fake Science Solution to fit the script. " sounds like Star Trek in a nutshell
Or even more common, fake a science anomaly that stops technology working to fit the script
Actually the Enterprise D used the same trick to augment its maneuverability on impulse power.
should have added on some deflector dishes to manipulate to make it believable
@@bjoernusw5195 Wouldnt the shield emitters work for that? After all theyre called "deflector shields".
Was that a reference to "reverse the polarity" I just read?
I always appreciate a Trek vid from British Ben.
As for the mining operation, I think it was just a make-work job as to ensure that the Cardassians wouldn't risk giving provisions to slackers.
I've always considered the term "warp core" to be a complete misnomer. It's really a Matter/Antimatter annihilation reactor that produces plasma. This plasma can be used for any purpose (i.e. powering a generator to run a microwave oven). It's just primarily used to inject plasma into the warp coils in the nacelles.
The warp core creates warp plasma, which is, apparently, different from what powers the rest of the ship. (maybe that's why Voyager has two?)
Nice video! I own that technical manual, which I bought new back when the show was airing. Read it thoroughly. However, it was a completely overlooked video game, “Deep Space Nine: Harbinger” which really allowed me to visualize the layout of DS9 extremely accurately. As the player, you could pretty well explore the entire station, walk through the pylons, etc. It really laid the station out beautifully and logically.
OK That's enough! I can't stop myself from subscribing to your channel anymore, too much good high quality videos from the content I like
I was about to say that based on the degree of curvature we often see in shots of the habitat ring that such a size seemed unlikely. I then realized that the outer ring isn't the habitat but the docking ring. I don't remember shots from windows of the habitat ring showing the docking ring off in the distance so I guess I just assumed they were walking around the outer ring.
Star Trek was always a bit iffy when it came to the views out the window. You really should of seen more superstructure than you ever actually did.
Entirely a budgetary thing though.
Compositing properly angled views of the warp nacelles from the window of the Ent-D briefing room every time you had a scene in there would have been indulgently expensive and time consuming back then. Easy nowadays with digital editing and ubiquitous CGI.
The DS9 book "Day of the Vipers" says that the reason the Cardassians decided to process the ore on an orbital processing station is because to do so on the planet would render the planet itself uninhabitable. Like I guess it would poison the atmosphere. And the Cardassians aren't about to pass up the chance of having free slave labor in the Bajorans. Also not covered: There are rooms on the station that don't show up on the station's official schematics. Like if the station commander was under attack, there are places he/she could essentially "hide" until it was all clear. Even on the show, there was a door to a hallway in Sisko's office (I think it was only used a few times if that much) that led directly to a shuttle bay where I would assume Gul Dukat would make his escape, if he needed to.
Deep Space Nine should be ranked as the 9th best ship
Is a space station not a ship
When you discussed "size matters", you should have mentioned the scaling issue between the Enterprise D and the station....to make the station look bigger, they scaled down the big D to about half it's actual size. In one episode, they show a Galaxy class ship (USS Venture maybe) docked at the top of one of the pylons on the edge of the saucer section...which would not physically fit inside the upper parts of the pylons....unless one of the hidden features of DS9 was a "size reducer field", so that any size ship would be able to dock with it...
It might have also been the Enterprise, Picard did make 2 stops at DS9 through the run of the series
Just one thing, Star Fleet did not install the landing pads on the DS9. In the episode Empork Nor, O'Brian mentions that the landing pads are sealed. It even shows on a graphic that they are of the standard design.
Retcon: Maybe they processed the ore on the station because the byproducts were toxic/deadly to there slave workers and can just be ejected to space.
3:17 *would not the process of transporters (if used in the mining transfer process) already break down the ore into a molecular structure that could easily be programmed to separate the desired ore by elemental designation and there by eliminating the unwanted slag and less valuable minerals?...much quicker and efficient and removing several steps in the purification making it more profitable and allowing it to be utilized far more quickly?*
At this time the Cardassians were vastly technologically inferior to the Federation as shown in The Wounded. Frankly, if they had decent replicator technology, they wouldn't need to conquer in order to feed their people. So I can see them not being able to fine tune their transporters the way a Starfleet version could be.
@@darwinxavier3516 *theory accepted as being the lost logical*
You should do a video on the more obscure areas of deep space nine. As well as the Enterprise 1701-D&E etc. Aka stuff that was mentioned but rarely if ever show. But was still interesting as well as perhaps important too.
Fun Fact: For the game Star Trek Online the DS9 promenade deck, piece for piece the original sets was rebuilt. Producers and actors of the original series were impressive that was the first time that they see the deck in a row. In the film shoot they always had only part pieces in the studio.
Around the 6:00 min mark, Ben talking about engines in Star Trek reminded me of a question that's been bugging me since TNG was still airing new episodes. How the hell can impulse engines be put in reverse? AFAIK they have their own independent fusion system that somehow or other pushes the ship forward with hyper-energized gas/plasma ( as opposed to the Warp Drive that somehow uses superhot plasma from a matter/anti-matter engine pushed hundreds of meters away from it's point of creation through some sort of coils in nacelles to warp space ) to produce speeds up to 0.9c depending on which material you're getting your info from. So how the hell does that go in reverse? There are no impulse engines on the front of the ship to start pushing in the opposite direction.
i think you would love the Screen Rant "Pitch Meetings" 😉
Perhaps it is just shorthand for rerouting impulse power to the reverse thrusters.
the station also had heavy duty industrial replicators as well
The 3’s are based off their obsession with filing. Everything in triplicate.
Militarized accountants is a great way to describe Cardassians.
I was such a fan of DS9. I still have a little plastic model to put together and paint. My husband gave it to me for a birthday present. DS9 is by far the best Star Trek show. Those episodes with the dominion were so great. And everything about Odo and the cardassians. Ever so intelligent. Or those episodes with Quark and Odo... The best episode ever: Sisco brings the Romulans to join the war. Isn't it the most intelligent episode ever?
processing the mineral in orbit would fit the Cardassian paranoia/security needs
The US Navy along with the team that did the research, recently filed a patent of a system that lowers inertial mass. Apparently, they also have another patent for establishing a quantum vacuum around a hull which is supposed to reduce friction. One more patent they filed is a device to emit high frequency gravity waves.
Perhaps refining in on the space station means less pollution for Bajor. The Cardassians seemed they wanted to live there and take it over.
*many regions of Bajor were contaminated by Cardassian occupation shenanigans, especially the farming regions During this time, the Cardassians not only decimated the Bajoran population and destroyed large parts of its infrastructure, but also poisoned several areas of the planet in order to compromise the food supply after their withdrawal. Affected regions included the Dahkur and Rakantha Provinces as well as the Northwest peninsula. Following the occupation, the Bajoran Provisional Government took steps to revitalize the planet's agricultural sector, such as using special grain processing centers and irrigating the Trilar Peninsula. In 2371, the Bajoran Agricultural Ministry developed soil reclamators that could detoxify the soil, but their number was limited, causing quarrels about their usage.*
*the Cardassian's could be described as just a bunch of naughty anti-social intergalactic bipedal alpha sphincters*
@@scottmantooth8785 That's true!
Fuck me im so early that I might actually have travelled back in time and fallen out of the space ship I clearly came here on. When does the next portal open? I need to sell batteries to the deep state.
they don't want any batteries, but self-sealing stem bolts always sell well :P
@@chouseification oh they want the batteries im selling. I've created a tesselated quantum space where I've contained a micro verse into a small box. Ye know the usual
I was thinking the station might have been built in the Cardassian system and then towed to Bajor like we do with oil platform. Also, there is the possibility of using micro gravity during the ore processing. We are actually trying this kind of things on the ISS.
No, DS9 was built in orbit of Bajor. That's how Bajoran partisans were able to sabotage the replicators with a virus making machine.
@9:33 It actually makes sense from an engineering and safety standpoint. Extra redundancy in the event there was a security breach, an uncaught nuclear/biological/chemical incident with a docked ship, and a mechanical system failure to prevent the station from being depressurized in the event one of the doors failed and opened into space. (see once again, the rule of threes,) The Cardies knew what they were doing. :)
I always enjoyed Deep Space 9. I know a lot of Star Trek fans had issues with it because the station wasn't a space ship and its primary mission wasn't exploration (along with the fact that the core ongoing serialised plotline of the show was a war which some felt undermined the pacifist credentials of Star Fleet), but it was my favourite of the Next Generation era series. I used to watch both Deep Space 9 and Babylon 5 (two awesome space station based series running in the 1990s for some reason), much to the annoyance of my brother who can't stand sci fi. Ah, good times.
DS9 was based on the series bible for B5. The creator of B5 tried to sell it to Paramount and sent them the B5 series bible for consideration.
@@chrisdefresne3235 That explains a lot. It is sadly unsurprising that plagiarism played a role somewhere.
There were a few lines in the show where they said the Cardassians were strip mining the planet. So it's pretty safe to assume they'd beam huge chunks under it into space and then refine it by hand. Much more efficient than flying it around the planet
Never thought about it but now that you said it there are a lot of similarities between towns in western movies and the Promenade Western towns often also had a church that would have been taken by the bajoran temple
Nice to know all this! NOW, are you continuing the Ship Vs Ship from different Series? I really think you guys should do the Original Battlestar Galactica Ships Vs. The Imp Destroyers! Yah know what I mean!
I think being number ten on a list of best ships is impressive for a space station.
I would suggest that the Cardassians moved the raw ore up to DS9 for refining as a secuirty measure against sabotage
2:36 - Perhaps Terok Nor was originally supplied with ore via a set of space elevators. Or, perhaps to protect from sabotage, they found it more cost effective to process it in space. Also, it's colder in space, and given the heat under which the Bajorans worked in refining the ore, the idea of a facility in space where heat can more easily be "bled off", it made it a safer and more productive environment.
Thoughts? (After all, we're just making this stuff up, eh?)
I love the tower of babel type desing idea.
Reminds me of City of a Thousand Planets, but I think DS9 is perfect as is.
@@RunnerX13 I also like it as it is but is fun to imagine what could have been. It would had go great with the narrative about the bajorans being an old warp capable civilization, the prophets, etc.
6:32 what they did was apply warp field physics theory to the station...
The whole point of the warp nacelles was to generate a field within which the relativistic affects of travelling faster than light were negated
What they did on deep space nine was essentially the same thing, but at a much lower stage, simply allowing for something not designed to move all that much to move at all...
The Problem was that the Special effects team didn't coordinate with the design team.
Resulting in the effect errors.
Also the station
Refining the ore actually made sense.
If you look at the pylons as being used to load the ore onto freighters.
With the top 3 being used for processed ore.
Then the Bottom 3 being used to load mined Raw Ore.
Also remember the Bajorns made it a habit of sabotaging Cardassain operations.
So security made sense to minimize that threat.
Lastly if Cardassain ships and stations are anything to go by DS9 was an old left over Cardassain station from way back long ago.
If memory serves i think it was referenced that there was only 8 or 9 left mostly abandoned derelict Stations and maybe 1 or 2 left in use in Cardassain space.
I would really like to see a review of ALL BASES OF THE STAR TREK! From K-9, to Deep Space 9 (Terok Nor and its sister base), Soran's base, to the Giant Base that mysteriously disappeared every time the Earth was threatened or the Borg showed up??!!!
Actually that is a good idea, every Star Trek space station in one video
Apparently the rising platforms for runabouts was a tip of the hat to similar designs in Space 1999.
My thoughts on the refinery ON the station is that Bayor was an occupied planet with an active resistances, I think from the point of the cardassians they dont want to expose every step of the mining process located on the planet... it was harder to plan an attack on the station than on the surface of the planet for the resistance.
The Reference to a western town for the promenade makes so much sense... I never thought of it like that.
I thought the same thing about the rotary turrets firing phasers and torpedoes from the same holes. But a while ago I got curious and looked very closely. The torpedoes come out of the holes, while the phasers come from bands that wrap around the holes.
Given that The Original Series was imagined by Gene Roddenbury as a "Wagon Train To The Stars", it makes sense that many aspects of Deep Space 9 would resemble those you would find in many of the wild west towns/cities depicted in western TV shows/movies.
Actually a orbital ore process facility makes sense.
The low gravity may help the refining- increasing yield.
The processed material can easily be shipped away.
The waste rock was likely dumped into Bajor's atmosphere and burned up.
this explains why there's always rocks on the bridge ect when there's an explosion :D
DS9 was always the best ST series for my taste...as a trekki I like them all
As basically _everyone_ has pointed out... the Trek universe has matter-energy conversion technology (transporters, replicators, etc.) so dealing with ore processing tailings is simple: _convert it to energy_ (of course, some of that waste stream might also be processed into other things.) Also, they have anto=i-gravity tech in addition to transporters, so moving rocks around it's the same scale of problem we cavemen have. (and they use slave labor in their mines, so they don't care.)
Great video, very informative.
I get the promenade is like a frontier town, so where is the post office? 😁
I always thought it'd be cool to see them attach Empok Nor (the sister station) to the bottom of Terok Nor (Deep Space Nine) to roughly double the size of the station.
Just cut off portions of the lower pylons (Terok) & the upper pylons (Empok), and merge them.
Maybe put some of those rib shaped shipyard/repair bays (like Utopia Planitia uses) in between the upper & lower rings for repairing outer hulls of visiting starships.
I think the reason why they built the ore processing faciltiy in orbit was sort of explaining in one of the episodes. Basically put terrorism was too numerous on the surface so they had no choice but to put this key facility in orbit.
On the ore processing thing: The waste can be recycled into useable energy using replicator technology, which may be able to help pay for the energy cost of beaming. It'd still be more efficient to do it on the surface, but in space its probably easier to control the slaves.
That was the only series to fight an epic galactic war. TNG didn't do that though it had its share of showdowns and Voyager likewise, but Deep Space 9 always had the war as a backdrop for any direction they wanted. It was unprofitable for the Cardassians for reasons you made perfectly clear. The individual who thought up that whole process the ore in space thing obviously wasn't their best mathematician right? This was a golden opportunity for the Cardassians to dump it off on whomever in this case the Bajoran planet. You all know the rest of the story with the exception of how the Cardassians have a whole other station Empok Nor float in their mothball fleet in the middle of nowhere Cardassian space, and it's identical to DS9.
There are some elements, even in reality, that can be handled better in a space environment (zero-G, for example) than they can be on a planet. It might be that such ore needs to be refined in space for this reason. As far as the waste goes, they can easily aim it at the Bajoran sun and shoot it out without a lot of effort or energy.
And also, the Bajoran resistance was picking up steam at the time of the station's construction. It's entirely possible the Cardassians had valid security concerns regarding the ore they were mining (especially the fact that the raw ore could explode when charged with electricity). Moving ore processing and shipment to the station probably closed quite a few security holes that were beginning to pop up.
I always compare Deep Space Nine to shows like When Calls The Heart or wild west shows, and this video proves my point.
Cardassians like the number 3? Nowonder.
Getting in the top 10 spot for ships is great considering your not a ship!
2:54 It does make a lot of sense refining ore in space. Yes, you have to transport it to the station but it's very easy to get rid of the trash materials, hazardous leftovers, or chemicals used to refine the ore by ejecting it into space instead of dumping it into some type of landfill that could cause worse problems.
A space station being used to refine the ore might be easier. They could potentially mine the ore from all over the planet and beam it to one spot to refine. This could also be a safety and environmental conservation feature. It would also be ready and packaged for interstellar transport as soon as it was refined, along with what ever the waste materials get used for.
The thing about "reducing the station's inertial mass" made me think that it's just a more "technobabble" (or is it more "Treknobabble"?) version of Mass Effect reducing mass of an object by directing different polarities of energy through something called "Element Zero".
As we've seen and heard in ST films and ST:Picard, approaching and departing ships call the approach control or dockmaster for clearances, but DS9 kinda side-stepped the tradition using either Kira or O'Brien mostly.
Can you do a comparison size of the various ST space station? I'd like to know what the K7 compares with others.
It's just so much cooler when you scale it to NYC... Also "The Kardassians* have a habit of leaving" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA that was good
Getting things into space being super expensive is true by our standards today, but in Star Trek they can just transport stuff around with very little cost (and getting into orbit is no big deal at all). The Cardassians just didn't want refineries on the planet where they could be taken over by resistance fighters.
exactly right - it's like Generation Film never actually watched the show and is conveniently forgetting EVERYTHING we know about the occupation of Bajor.
Regarding the transport dilemma:
Why wouldnt the waste rock be taken back down by the same ships that shipped the ore up?
just crush it into relative small pieces and vent it into space in the general direction of the planet. The atmosphere will take care of the rest, and I don't think the cardassians would have cared about poisoning bajor
I actually have that technical manual, it was one of my favorite bathroom books during my 20s. Let me see, yeah it's still here in the throne room. Isn't it ironic that I'm actually using a device that looks and functions like a padd from star trek now? The things we take for granted these days.
Rhetorical question - Why would the Federation convert perfectly serviceable living quarters to shuttle bays, when the station already has probably thousands of cubic meters of space in the now-unused and pretty much useless ore refining areas?
My theory is that since the Cardassians were oppressive, they might have thought it good to have the ore refinery in orbit which would have made it far more hopeless to try to escape from there. That would certainly lower morale and the risk for a revolt.
Actually it makes sense to process ore on the space station if you're occupying a world where there's an active resistance. I'm sure there would be surface processing as well. But those would be occasionally sabotaged. And the waste can be ejected to burn up in the atmosphere or launched toward the star/sun.
About Ben's comment on the ore refinery facilities, I suspect that the Cardassians started out with ground based facilities for refining the mined ore, but there was a Guerilla force of Bajorans trying to drive the Cardassians from the planet, and as I remember, one of their favorite tactics was to bomb the refineries, so putting that part of the production process on an orbital space station was likely used as a security feature after the ground based version were bombed and/or destroyed a few dozen times.
There is also the possibility of asteroid mining operations. Tow, as apposed to self propulsion, it in to location in a field or belt and have it pull in with tractor beams or miner ships.
I really really want to get my hands on a bunch of those RUNABOUTS-!! I could make lots of useful things happen with some of them..not to forget living in decent conditions.
Would be so great for camping trips
@@GenerationFilms Absolutely-!! Always first and foremost on my mind-! And 'Trek's creator would be pleased that I also often think doing the, "wagon circle", with them. Accidental ommage' to the, "old west in space" theme.
Of course... my personal one, would have the extra, of a fully functional, HOLODECK...just in case the outdoor weather was going to blow out ..even away, the campfire. "Replicate", the local area, and still fire burn ...I mean ..cook..supper "outside".
Deep space 9 is my favorite star trek show
I've always thought the reason they used Terok Nor for ore processing (instead of building a facility on Bajor) was to help keep the Bajoran workers from revolting. Of course they might try, but where would they go? Similar in concept to Alcatraz being surrounded by water, making it that much harder to escape and actually get somewhere. Now, as far as why they "had" to use slave labor instead of just machines or technology to extract/process the ore, I'll never quite understand.....and the only real explanation I can come up with is "they needed to be evil so the show made them evil" Lol
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