Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do anything that takes you out of that chair because while you're there... you can make a difference. I miss Kirk.
I think he got off the bridge to coordinate romulan evacuation effort. It didn't play out in the end with the mars rebellion and supernova exploded faster, but I don't think Picard would regret getting out of E-E to save millions of lives
Then no one could ever get promoted if officers refused to move on. Promising careers would stagnate on ships commanded by geriatrics. God help them if it's Data or long lived Vulcans. Also look at how Picard behaves in old age. Do you want THAT Picard in command of your flagship? Riker kept refusing promotions not allowing up and coming talent like Shelby to come in and have the benefit of learning under Picard how to be a leader. It took getting the E wrecked in combat to force a captaincy on him. The only hope for promotion in that kind of officer culture would either be from war attrition or transferring to a newly commissioned ship out of Utopia Planetia.
I've thought the same thing, myself. So, they needed to devise some major reason why Picard would accept promotion, that being the Romulan crisis. Had that not happened, I could have seen Picard in The Chair until his retirement.
@@syntrilliumc.e.p.9326 well thats new to me. i dont believe they were still building "new" mirandas 80-100 years later. the US military doesnt build new b-52 bombers, they mothball them, then send through a complete rehab.
@@syntrilliumc.e.p.9326 The Enterprise E was NOT designed to fight the Borg. The Sovereign was a new class of explorer starship and is in line with every other Federation starship development. You're thinking of the Defiant class, she was a purpose built compact battleship designed to counter the Borg threat.
@@motaz1975 ... I always thought that was curious, especially watching episodes of DS9 Dominion War battle scenes ... like GM building "new" 1950's era chassis in 2021. I get it from a production standpoint in the real world but I would think creating a backstory is hella difficult from a logical perspective. Meh, I guess if they make it believable to a non-Trekkie then whatevers.
@@motaz1975 ... that was my one stick in the craw with DS9/Dominion Wars. You get all this screen time of 100yr design Miranda's & Excelsior's (pre-refit) and not one CG model of an Ambassador ... though you do get a glimpse of an exploding Akira at 'Battle of Chin'toka.' That's pretty much it ... I'd love for a HD remastered series with all the bells & whistles. Can anybody answer that inquiry? lol
@@Straitjacket2007 Yes and no. The Sovereign Class started development in 2365, just a few months before Enterprise-D's first encounter with the borg, and caused Starfleet to augment the Soverign design with the Borg in mind. The next year was the Battle of Wolf 359, which had StarFleet getting their kester cooked while inflicting nearly no damage to the Borg. That was what caused the entire philosophy of all ship design to shift from exploration/science to combat, which included the Defiant design(which was mothballed until 2371 due to issues from its shakedown cruise), and focusing on the Sovereign, as the design augments already integrated gave the class a massive edge in combating the Borg.
Regarding decommissioning the Enterprise E, given that the Excelsior class was in service some 80+ years, I find it hard to believe they'd have the Sovereign class would only be in service for 20 years given how advanced the class is.
@Rickie Matthews Naval Ships nowadays or in service for decades. I presume this to be the same for star ships. It just doesn´t make sense to decommison the ship after a mere 25 years.
It does when the ship is very against the doctrine of your navy. Starfleet is not a military, it is an exploratory and diplomatic division. With the defeat of the dominion and the borg, starfleet warships would begin to become impractical in favor of new exploratory vessels. The Miranda and the excelsior were designs in service for 80+ years because starfleet doctrine didn’t change in that time, while after the dominion war and the more or less collapse of the borg, the sovereigns, Prometheus, and defiant class vessels would be mothballed, only really used if another large threat to the federation occurred, and given that we see the Prometheus class in the battle with the sphere builders in ENT, it’s reasonable to assume starfleet had no reason to build new warships for the 200 year period of time, just pulled the Prometheus out of mothballs, gave it new shields and phasers and sent it right back into the field. But such an obvious warship is way out of line with starfleet doctrine at the time that it would not be a ship that would stay in service after it was no longer needed.
@@TheDunbartxeen maybe it was too expebsive to operate. We know it was expensive to build so they only had a handful during wartime. Having a small fleet of a certain type also makes it more expensive for logistics. It's similar to the Zumwalt class in real life. Not worth it, especially if you aren't in a war anymore
It's also possible they put it through a refit and rebadge it with a different name. Something less iconic which gives them the slot to name another ship the Enterprise
Remember that starship design and use has always been dependent on war and peace circumstances, with Starfleet emphasizing their position as peaceful. The Dominian War changed a lot of things, and when it was finally over, things certainly changed again.
You have to remember, the Galaxy class starships were built to be in service for 80 years. It’s reasonable the E could be built for service at least that long.
I thought the galaxy class was supposed to be good for 100 years. It's been a while since I read it, but I know the info was in the TNG technical manual. Either way I couldn't see replacing the sovereign class so soon unless it was destroyed or if they found a major issue with it. We've seen lesser ships brought forward from the Kirk era like the Hood and Saratoga, so why not?
never understood people who make the argument "oh, that class of ship is like 20 years old, starfleet would start retiring them", especially given mirandas and excelsiors in the late 23rd century. We still use modernized versions of 40 year old fighters, and the b52 is like 70 years old, and they just swap out engines/avionics/radar/etc. A starship, even a small one, is a huge investment of resources, and it's always going to make more sense to just upgrade the equipment that's woefully outdated. A space frame is a space frame, and crew quarters, jefferies tubes, corridors and such don't really become outdated as such. The Lakota was a perfect example of how you can beef up the relevant systems of an older ship to make it competitive in modern times for a fraction the cost in time, manpower, and resources vs building a new one.
Ships aren't designed with the intent to serve for a set number of years. They are built with a task and investment in mind and the ship gets retired when it's either outdated or no longer needed. One example is how the Constitution class was retired decades before the Miranda and Oberth despite both being around the same age. Warships have an even tighter obsolescence schedule than standard ships due to the need to stay relevant in an ever changing military environment. Like the Constitution-class, the Sovereign-class is both a warship and a science/exploration ship, this would cause the Sovereign-class to get the same type of treatment as the Constitution. The moment a new "heavy ship" is designed, the Sovereign is likely to be retired if it's no longer needed and it's useful mission profiles can be dealt with by other, less resource intensive ships. I think the only ship that actually breaks this is the Excelsior-class as it found itself remaining in the fleet for long after it should have been replaced by the Ambassador-class. Otherwise, you see the Constitution-class get replaced by the Excelsior-class, the Ambassador-class gets replaced by the Galaxy-class, and the Sovereign-class is meant to replace the Galaxy-class. Obsolescence wasn't based on age in any of those cases but rather on how relevant they were in the fleet at the time and what part they could serve in the next generation of the fleet.
@@ericlanglois9194 I disagree. As I said, military designs today remain in service with upgrades for decades. You don't retire an entire class of ship just because you want a new shape. If a new design is really better, more often than not it'll boil down to the tech in it, which can be upgraded. The Sovereign is in many regards the 24th century version of the excelsior, and would doubtless be in service well into the 25th century. The reason the constitution(which had been around at least 40 years before we ever saw a miranda or oberth in canon) disappeared was in reality due to not wanting to diminish the importance of the Enterprise and Ent-A. In universe it's suspected that it's vulnerable spaceframe and the fact it had already gone through a major upgrade, and by the time the 1701-A was decommissioned, most of the constitutions (we only know of about 16) had been retired or destroyed for various reasons. Also the famous "5 year missions" the connies were famed for were going out of style. The Miranda was a smaller, easier to produce ship with plenty of versatility that starfleet could make a bunch of and have a larger presence. Obviously there isn't much sense in making new constitutions when you have a newer, more capable design in the excelsior. Now would they still be pumping out new sovereigns in the 2450s? Probably not, but it's not impossible, especially if the design were improved with new tech from the ground up. They're still making new F16s to this day despite it being a 40 year old design. New engines/weapons systems/radar and it's still a perfectly good fighter that fills that small, agile multi role fighter niche. The Nova is clearly the successor to the Oberth(both being survey/science), and despite being a comparatively weak and slow ship in the 24th century fleet, is no doubt vastly superior to the Oberth in every way, yet the Oberth remains in service. The only warships the federation really has are the defiant and prometheus classes, and we saw a prometheus still in service during the 26th century, probably 150 years after introduction. If the spaceframe of the sovereign(or any other ship) offers the crew capacity, cargo space, lab space, weapon mounts, etc.. to fill a certain role in the fleet and do it well, then they would keep building them while implementing new tech along the way. Until a new spaceframe that was designed to work in the same niche as the sovereign and had significant advantages incorporated that couldn't just be retrofit into the sovereign came along, there's no reason to retire the class. Again, you don't introduce a new class because you want a new shape. You work improvements into new ships of existing classes. And even after that happens you'd still keep the older ships around, as we've seen. They may not be front line anymore, but there will still be work for them. If the prometheus class, a purpose built warship, can remain in service for over a century, then a cutting edge and versatile design like the sovereign certainly can. If we consider the odyssey class from STO, that's clearly a ship with an entirely different mission profile than the sovereign, and wouldn't be a direct successor. TL;DR I think there just weren't that many constitutions to begin with and by the time many of them had been destroyed, there were spaceframes with greater advantages available, which were then used till the better part of a century later at least. Other designs like the constellation class may simply have been retired because they sucked.
Most likely outcome is with the introduction of the Odessy class, the Enterprise E was recommissioned with a new name and registry, kind of like when the Yorktown was renamed Enterprise A
@@davidknowles2491 I don’t buy that... I don’t mean I don’t buy that the Enterprise-E would be renamed, I don’t buy that the Yorktown was renamed to the Enterprise-A, because for starters, according to the movie, the Yorktown was deploying a generator to keep the ship running when the wale probe came, besides, if the Enterprise-A is the Yorktown, why is the interior different? And what happened to the crew?
@@Salfordian Again, if the Yorktown is the Ent-A, how was it back in space dock, where is the crew, why is the bridge different and most important of all since I forgot to add it on my other comment, why where the systems malfunctioning in ST5? If it was the Yorktown only renamed, why would the systems be Malfunctioning?
Despite the reprimand, Worf was given command of the Defiant several times during the Dominian War and against the Borg. Considering Dax was a Trill with 8 lifetimes of experience it was a justifiable choice to save her.
@@jamessullivan7692 Worf did just fine in the Captains chair and despite the reprimand proved himself capable more times then one. its not out of the rhelm of possibilities that he would be given command of the Enterprise E.
I should also point out that since Picard was promoted to Admiral when he left the Enterprise his first act as Admiral could have been to promote Worf to Captain of the Enterprise.
No it wasn't that's why you never see him and Dax on a mission one of them would stay on ds9 after that. Now it was a bad command decision by Kira to send them because u look at any military real or factional they have rules regarding send couples on missions like that. If not married Worf or Dax would have both completed the mission. Simply the information that the imfortive had could have been used to save lives and that like the Informant they were sent to extract had information and locations of all tge founders in the alpha Quadrant plus during a war were your losing thousands of troops,ships and more that information could have saved millions. Now should that keep him from command no but it might
The Aircraft carrier Enterprise lived for over 50 years before being decommissioned. Enterprise-E should be around at least as long unless something happened to it.
While there were Starfleet ships that were in commission for decades, these were mostly science vessels. The problem with ships like the Sovereign class in Star Trek is that they get outclassed faster by new technologies etc, than our modern ships, especially aircraft carriers. While under normal conditions no doubt even the worst designed starfleet combat ship will be in commission for decades, there might be certain variables that turn a ship obsolote a lot faster. There's a modern day example for that too. Technically tanks have become obsolete today. In the most recent conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia, Azerbaijan "won", even though by they have by traditional standards the weaker military. Less tanks, less modern tanks, less soldiers etc. etc. But they have drones and Armenia doesn't. Result was that tanks from Armenia got shot down by drones "loitering" around conflict areas, just waiting for targets to arrive. With this in mind, a simple new kind of technology could render even the most recent and modern vehicle useless.
I just realized that the Enterprise E actually has a trilogy. nearly assimilated, Insurrection, and ramming Scimitar. As much as I dislike Data's death, I have to respect Brent Spiner's discomfort to play androids.
From what I recall of the Enterprise D technical manual, it discussed an expected service life with regular refit/upgrade cycles to be roughly 100 years. Those Galaxy class ships really took a beating though, so only a few seem to have made it past the Dominion War. Yamato blew up after getting scanned by the Iconians, Odyssey was kamikaze-ed by the Jem'Hadar, and obviously the Enterprise-D went down after a few too many shots went through the shields
We do see onscreen that the E retains the prototype deflector, and assumedly the assicated technologies within the ship, thus one might conclude those facets could contribute to a shortened service life (the Sovereign is still in service in 2381, and STO has her in 2410).
Dear Eva in the mirror, it’s all fantasy. If you want it to exist someday then it does. Star Trek was just a TV show that was later made into movies. Get a life.
Starships named Enterprise tend to have short lives. The D only served for 8 years. Picard technically commanded the E for a longer time but because we only saw her in three movies compared to all of the episodes in TNG, people think of the D more often. Anyway, I hope the E is still out there somewhere. Even Star Trek Online didn't give us a proper explanation as to what happened to it, and any timeline saying Data was captain has been voided by ST Picard.
The E was investigating why contact with Starbase 236 was lost. During said mission they encounter Species 8472 and enter Fluidic Space. Where the Enterprise was destroyed.
@@fenrisvermundr2516 Makes you wonder if it was rogue factions of 8472 as Janeway made a non aggression pact with the Undine while still in the Delta Quadrant.
Sadly, there is a trend to void/erase any previous creation by new director/writers, to enforce they one and only "correct" vision of that universe, even if its without any "plot" consistency or common sense. First large case of this doings that i know, was Baldur's Gate - Bhaalspawn saga, and next was Star Wars. Now we see the same here, when incompetent writer voided already established and reasonable events.
We really need to praise the Odyssey class more. It is a fan design, chosen by competition for Star Trek Online to become the new Enterprise. And that fan design is now canon thanks to the Picard comics in the form of the Verity.
@@danivarius Sovereign is better, I will give you that. But was it made by fans and then brought into canon? Name another fan design that has done that.
In ST:Ent, when Archer is taken onto the Enterprise J, we see Defiant class and a Prometheus class ships in the battle. Given that the Sovereign class is at least as modern as those two, and is as capable at peaceful operations such as exploration as it is in combat, and more in line with the 'traditional' Starfleet mandate, to me it's very simple; the Enterprise E would still be in service and I'd expect at LEAST 40-50 years worth of service for the class. Perhaps if the class is still in service when the Odyssey class, and the Enterprise F is brought into service as flagship, the E could be renamed and recommissioned (it is a thing, both IRL and in Trek) because it's still a Sovereign class ship, so would still be a very useful, capable and potent vessel.
That’s a really good take. With that in mind, I would describe the Sovereign-class as taking the later mantle which the Excelsior-class stood on during the early half of the 24th-century. Legendary, multi-purpose heavy cruiser that was once at the peak of Starfleet Engineering.
Now that Paramount owns ALL Star Trek, the Enterprise-E could very well still be in service. She was one of the most powerful ships in the fleet, so there’s every reason to think she’d be around at the time of Picard. The reason why the ships we know and love with the exception of the “D” weren’t in any of the series on CBS All Access, is because Paramount owned the Rights to TOS TOS- Movies and TNG Movies. That’s why the original Enterprise looks so different in Discovery. They had to make enough changes in the design to not have an issue. That should all be gone now, so I’m hopeful we’ll see the Enterprise E as well as a more normal TOS Enterprise in the coming Strange New Worlds Series and Picard.
That would be amazing. I would love to see the post-Nemesis Enterprise-E in a future Star Trek installation (even though she would be of a similar configuration as seen in Nemesis).
about the redesign of the enterprise to avoid issues, i'v seen that because all of star trek is set in the future recently they have made everything more futuristic so I would say that the redesign was primarily to make it look more futuristic and fit with the USS Discovery's design style as the original enterprise looks more like a plate on a tin can with toothpicks sticking out of it with cylinders attached.
@@aydenjacko Except that _TOS_ is still set 'in the future.' They easily could have respected and kept the look, even if they gussied it up a bit visually. The original Connie went through some refits that also updated it visually during its run on the original show, but nothing like what's shown on _Discovery_ . I'm afraid Kurtzman and crew's excuse just does not wash. Especially when they were able to do so much more respect and love to _TOS_ in the _DS9_ episode 'Trials and Tribble-ations.' If you haven't watched this episode, I highly recommend it.
Considering how long Excelsior and Miranda ships were in service, there is absolutely no reason to not believe the Enterprise-E is still in service as of 2399 short of it being lost in battle or some other equally destructive circumstances.
It is very possible that the ship was destroyed. Given how many times any ship named Enterprise finds trouble, the Enterprise E could have been destroyed. The Enterprise E being destroyed fighting something that would take a whole fleet to destroy.
@@angelrivera2339 Doesn't even have to be destroyed. If it took one too many lickings, possible the ships structure and critical infrastructure took too much damage to repair effectively. If the collective cost of repairing the ship exceeded or approached what it would take to build a new ship, it would be more feasible to scrap the ship and build the new ship. That might have been what happened.
Excelsior and Boba Fett got laughed at, being the "best" in their debuts, but went out weakly. Took Boba nearly 40 decades for rectification, but Excelsior's class ships served widely...Trans-Warp or not. Or the model of it was free for the tv shows! :)
Excelsior and Miranda class starships were in service in TNG and DS9, more than 80 years after their original design and took part in the Dominion war. Decommissioning a souvereign class after 30 years makes no sense.
Same goes for the Galaxy class. Both the Galaxy class and Sovereign class would be able to receive technology upgrades either in the field or/and when they are back in space dock to make them on par with modern ships in overall capabilities. The USS Lakota (Excelsior class) was upgraded to match the USS Defiant without having Ablative hull armor, and O'brien said that running away is not necessarily an option because if SF upgraded the Lakota to such a degree on shields and weapons, he dreaded to think what they did to its engines. I would expect that PRODUCTION of new Galaxy and Sovereign class ships wouldn't proceed after the first 10 years or so. Any ships which were built in that initial (10 year) time frame and have survived, would have continued to receive system upgrades. In essence, assuming they aren't destroyed during acting service, Starfleet could simply upgrade them indefinitely over the centuries. Trek demonstrated that Federation upgrading capabilities greatly improved in the 24th century by doing what they did to USS Lakota. Probably because of replicators and transporters. You can simply beam out/dematerialize older hw, and while its energy, rearrange its pattern into state of the art hw, and beam it back into place. This can be used for modifying the internals of the ship itself as well as needed, or AI and adaptive algorithms can be used to reshape state of the art tech to fit into those older designs. Either way, upgrading ships indefinitely would be dead easy.
HMS Dreadnought (real life) made all previous battleships redundant. Same could've happened with the Sovereign class. New tech, materials, construction techniques made the refit process not practicable. A single class production line has a higher volume of production capability, refits are slow, time and space consuming plus impacting on resources more and training crew on multiple ship classes/systems.
@@ifax1245 Not for a post-industrial spacefaring organization comprised of over 150 alien species that can materialize matter out of energy and has teleportation capabilities to boot. Refitting a starship would be relatively simple (especially if automated by adaptive algorithms). Trek has also established canonically that ships can be used for LONG periods of time. We saw the USS Prometheus in battle with the sphere builders in the 26th century (alternate timeline, but still). And both the Excelsior and Miranda class ships were upgraded and survived into late 24th century. The USS Lakota (over 80 year old starship) was upgraded to MATCH the USS Defiant in tactical prowess without having ablative hull armor (something which the Defiant DID have), and it was speculated it was much faster than the Defiant to boot. I can see the refit cycle being impractical for say mid/late 22nd century ships surviving into the 23rd century because the Federation didn't have real replication ability back then. From 24th century onward, it would be relatively simple to upgrade say 80-100 year old ships. Look at USS Discovery. It was upgraded to 32nd century standards (with its hull reshaped in 3 weeks) even though its 931 years old design. Programmable matter can more easily reshape existing matter and its a less energy intensive process compared to say replicators... but I'm saying that mid/late 23rd century ships would be easier to retrofit in the 24th century as advancement in technology and algorithms would allow Starfleet to do that. Heck, its possible that some Excelsiors and Miranda classes are still flying in the 25th and 26th centuries with reshaped hulls (a process which probably wouldn't have taken place until about sometime in the 25th century).
Worf is a Line Officer, not a Fleet Officer; he would be *horrible* at the exploratory arm of the mission. Much better to leave him in command of a line warship (like a Defiant-Class Escort) where his natural inclination to "Kill it a lot" would serve the mission.
In _STO_ , Geordi gets command of the _USS Challenger_ , a Galaxy-class refit. I also rather like the progression that Data gets brought back in B4's frame, and is given command of a recommissioned _Enterprise-E_ , until the ship is lost in action. As his last act as its captain, Data effectively saves most of his crew, including himself. This also opens the way for Shon to captain the _F_ . Worf leaves Starfleet and returns to Qu'nos to serve as Gintak to House Martok under Lady Sirella. She serves as head of the House until Klingon Intelligence finds that Martok is alive and being held captive in a Son'a prison in the Briar Patch. Naturally a rescue mission is launched, and Worf takes part as part of the KDF part of the Khitomer Alliance.
More over, if the Enterprise-E was retired/destroyed and we get an Odyssey Class Enterprise-F, WILL Riker command her if Worf decided to retire after losing the Enterprise? (Pun Win!) I’m also feeling maybe the Zheng he was a Temporary command before he was offered to be permanently reinstated, and offered her (Most Likely Newly Completed) Successor? And i can see the 1701-F being something like a Safe Harbor for the La Sirena and her Crew every now and then, not every episode, but when it’s appropriate, its main hangar is more cavernous than the Main hangar on the Galaxy class (Which itself was so big it could never be shown directly on screen), and i bet it can EASILY Fit the La Sirena NO PROBLEM.
Worf will never have his own command due to his actions in DS9 where he went to recuse Dax, Cisco tells he that as his friend he would have done the same but as his commanding officer he cannot condone the action and that it will prevent him from ever commanding on his own.
The real USS Enterprise was in service of more than 50 years. The Air Force probably won’t retire the B-52 much before it’s 100th year…so I’d imagine Starfleet would try to get more than 40 or more years out of a starship class.
To be fair, trouble follows starships named Enterprise like a lost puppy. It is possible that the Enterprise being destroyed while stopping something that would take a whole fleet to stop.
Let's not forget the US Navy LCS ships being decomissioned after mere years in service, earning them the dubious moniker of "Little Crappy Ships". It's possible that the Sovereign class had an irreconcilable design flaw that led to the class's premature decomissioning.
I believe the Enterprise E may have been decommissioned due to the stress her frame incurred when she was rammed into the Romulan ship. She might have been in for a refit when micro fractures to her framework were discovered. This made her unfit for a refit and she was decommissioned. That's my theory and I'm stickin' to it.
1701-E getting rammed into the scimitar, and hard handling under worf, plus what happened in Star Trek prodigy (Taking over the ships computer) It really was the mileage & not the years. They could have shown us the old girl - let us at least say goodbye - She meant a lot to us than to be sitting in some space junkyard.
I was a fan of the C, D, and E, with the C being my favorite. But I gotta say, the SINGLE most under rated ship in all of Trek is the Nova class. Had they made it larger with decent weaponry it could have easily had it's own show, it's a gorgeous ship and not THAT far away from standard Enterprise designs.
Given Picard S3 I hope they never really answer it. Just leave as THE INCIDENT. Worf's kobiyashi maru. I'm thinking that it was actually pretty funny given how it's treated on screen. Makes me think he lost the ship, no crew, and even saved the planet despite truly ridiculous, even by Trek standards, odds. SF court martial him and come to the conclusion that Worf pulled off a miracle and not only cleared him but commended him formally. But everyone still busts him about it.
Given the destruction of the shipyards around Mars and what seems to be a lack of resources referenced in Picard I think the E is still out there serving the Federation. If it does show up in Picard I could even imagine some talk about it being dated and old... Just like Picard 😉 Though Worf would likely not take kindly to that characterization of his ship. I think the Federation in Picard wouldn't decommission a working ship so if the E isn't around then I would assume it was destroyed.
Utopia Planitia isn’t the only facility that can retrofit starships you know. Other facilities can do so too. This includes the facilities in orbit of Earth, Deep Space 9, and other Federation Starbases.
@@dustinkosman6615 But, the point is, those facilities cannot build new ships. Utopia Planitia was the only location to do that work from the ground up.
@@tlouiseallen9302 I doubt it. During the Mars Attack scene in Maps and Legends, I did not see the Enterprise there. My best guess is that she was either on patrol somewhere or exploring new territory.
@@dustinkosman6615 I agree. The only way the Enterprise could be at Mars during the attack is if she had prior warning beforehand. Anyway, she would have been mentioned if the Enterprise was destroyed at that moment. The novel that deals with the evacuation shows La Forge as the attack took place. There was no mention of the Enterprise being there, except a report that ships were on route to assist from across Federation space, and ships in the Sol System at the time were moving in to help, but there were few of them available.
It's quite possible that the damage to the E drastically shortened her service life. Even repaired, she would have been somewhat fragile compared to her Sisters. So it's quite likely that she would have only been kept in commission until the follow up class was brought into service.
@leighrate I agree and it makes sense. It's just like a car being wrecked for the first time. Once the original frame is damaged, any repairs made will not have the same overall strength. New welds to old sections would change the strength ratios of those sections in relation to their centers of gravity. To those folks that would say that it shouldn't make a difference, let's look at it based on real life. Why do you think Car Fax was created? Because vehicles involved in wrecks have a different performance and handles slightly differently than original factory specs, so yeah, I could see the -E being retired early despite the specified 50 year overhaul expectancy.
Why? We have been given so little information about it over the course of about three movies, how could it have come to earn such a place in your heart?
@@TheNoiseySpectator Well for one, it looks cool. That's enough reason of it's own. It's also okay to disagree with him tho just incase you don't like it, cosmetics is personal preference afterall. But while we only saw the Enterprise-E in three films, it had much more presence in the extended universe (as explained in the video), featuring prominently in novels aswell as several video games. So, plenty there to earn a place as one of someone's favourites. I personally prefer it to the Enterprise-D myself (which I honestly think is among the ugliest of all Enterprises, but once again, personal preference), was disappointed that they used that for the scenes in Picard instead of the Ent-E, but eh, figured they would with the way everything nostalgia baits these days, and well, TNG obviously has much more recognition than the Ent-E films from the general audience overall. Even though in context that's probably a bit off seems it's likely Picard actually spent more years as Captain of the E than the D; Maybe his time aboard the E was just less traumatic. Beating the Borg is probably less PTSD inducing than becoming one of them.
The Excelsior and Miranda class served over 80 years in Star Fleet, the Galaxy class were said to be able to serve for a century. I find it extremely unlikely that the Enterprise E would be decommissioned only 30 years in unless there was a serious fault found in the class, the Enterprise-E was either seriously damaged beyond repair, or destroyed. Given the history of the Enterprise namesake, it was more than likely destroyed.
I would lobby to surprise the audience by having the E show up in Picard because everyone would expect a new ship class. I would say that its reasonable to believe that the E would still be in service after only 25 years. Audience wouldn't expect it.
Worf's first altercation as captain of the Enterprise E: "PREPARE FOR RAMMING SPEEEED!" Enterprise E gets destroyed, not Worf's fault. The other ship wouldn't move.
Theory: The E was needed by The Travels. They need a ship to fix a time breach. Wesley calls a favor from capt wolf. They team up and stop the breach, but the E is stuck in temporal space. A base of operations for the travlers, but normal people can't stay on the ship for long. Wolf and crew must leave. Star fleet is not understanding, and some admril side lines wolf. The E then would be the reson for the vary terrestrial transporter that Wesley uses to collect soji.
I’d love it if we get a flash back style episode in season two of Picard where he’s come across the enterprise E ( or been searching for her) and we all either get to say goodbye to the old girl or Picard gets her back up and running to save the day once more in a way only the enterprise E could do
The name, Enterprise, is one of the " names of Honor " that's always been in service, class not withstanding. So, even if a particular class of ship has been decomissioned, one can bet that there is still an Enterprise of another class out there somewhere.
The Enterprise has always been as much of a character as any other actor, it explains why scenes such as its destruction in ST3 are so memorable, it’s destruction in Generations for lack of plot caused so much annoyance at the loss of the Big D, and why possibly even its lack of acknowledgement in Picard so far has left as many questions as where is Laforge, Worf et al. I sometimes wonder if the writers understand that the main ship often is as important to some of as as the cast?!
Keep in mind we are not talking just about Earth TECH advancements alone, we are talking about a BIG chunk of TECH from the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. With that many civilizations with improvement IMHO we would see faster refits, and a bit faster new classes than we see here on Earth in RL. The rate of advancement would almost snowball during certain periods (Dominion war...) where you would see new classes and refits coming often. Also think about the knowledge that Voyager alone brought back and the advancements and upgrades that would spawn. Then as Romulus recovers and reaches out that TECH will leak into design and advancement, allowing more of the galaxy to be explored faster, hence more first contacts, more allies, more new TECH and designs.... faster upgrades, refits, and new classes. Again this is just my opinion.
@@Kiwibirdman1701 They might be saving the excelsior class for Enterprise B...Enterprise A should be the same or almost the same as her predecessor as in the OG movie..as for Enterprise F,it's possible to see her soon in Picard..
About the service life expectancy of ships of the Enterprise E, the Galaxy-class ships like the older Enterprise D were designed to serve for a full century including as yet unknown but planned refits. Not sure if that carries over to the Soverign-class, as I've heard that they feature weapons and armor upgrades beyond what the Galaxy-class had, earning it the assault cruiser monicker in Star Trek Online, but It'd make sense if Soverign-class ships were launched with similar plans in mind.
The Excelsior Class was still in service during the time of the Dominion war and the first was built in 2280 during Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. Comparing other starship lifespans, it should be in service around the same timeframe.
Just remember they have Miranda's and a few Connie's in service. So you would expect a new ship would stay in service for years to come. Even now the galaxy class is in service... so the sovereign would definitely still around as it was still one of the most powerful federation ships. I don't think the federation would take it out of service for a LONG time.
Wish they could use deep-fakes to continue the voyages of the USS Enterpise E with Data. The Sovereign class if by far one of my favorite ships. Although the Yorktown refit is on point for the Enterprise F.
If you look at the enterprise-e from the rear and compared against some of the screenshots during the climactic Fleet vs. Fleet engagement at the end of Picard, I'd be venturing to Guess that the Enterprise E likely still in service and certainly a number of other ships of the same class including the USS Xeng Xe, which Captain Riker was in command of. But it definitely, despite limited images, appears to likewise be a fleet of Sovereign-class starships.
I think it likely that the Enterprise-E was renumbered and renamed, freeing up the Enterprise name and number for one the newest classes, keeping the Federation flagship the most powerful (and state of the art) ship around.
That would be stupid and straight dissrespectfull for the name Enterprise. The E was never meant to be a show of anything. In ST6 she is an obsolete training ship and still gathers respect for the name. Besides E-E would be 27 years old at the time of commisioning of E-F. Thats not old in any shape or form for a ship of the line. Not new but not obsolete especially when you consider it was cutting edge in every aspect when she was put into service. She was not like Luna class that was just a science ship build as a compromise of resources use and capability after the dominion war.
Although the Enterprise-E is most likely capable of staying in service for a few decades, the odds are that it will not have survived long enough to remain in service between the events of "Star Trek: Nemesis" and "Star Trek: Picard". Remember, a lot can happen to a starship in 20 years, especially to one as famous as the Enterprise. History has shown that, canonically, 4 out of the first 6 Enterprises of the 1701 Legacy have been destroyed while technically still in service. The "E" is likely to be the 5th Enterprise to be destroyed. It's not something that I'm happy about, because I like the "E", but I expect that possibility will most likely be canon. I even thought that would happen when I first saw the trailer for "Star Trek: Nemesis" before the movie was released in theaters.
Canonically we only know of 3 USS Enterprises being destroyed in active service. The original Enterprise, Enterpise-C and the Enterprise-D. Enterprise-A which was likely a renamed sister ship to the original Enterprise would have either been decommissioned following the Kitomer Accords or had be renamed again to free up the name and was regulated to second line duty as the constitution class were being phased out for the Excelsior classes. As far as current canon is concerned the Enterprise-B had survived its intended service life and was either decommissioned or renamed following refits to free the name and registry for the Enterprise-C
She's either still out there or destroyed, they wouldn't decommission a ship like that look at DS9 they had miranda and excelsior class are still in service over a 100 years
Dont forget the E goes for a full year in space before 001 Sector battle. The E is still flagship but likely off on an obscure mission. Worf in command.
It is my understanding that Trek "canon" is generally limited to what is seen in the different television series and the feature films. Novels and comic books are not generally considered "canon" in Trek. The rules for Star Wars is different. That is why even the events in STO are not "canon" as it is not a TV series nor a feature film and its "canon" is affected by events in the official Trek universe(s). That being said, it is still up in the air as to what has happened to the Enterprise E.
@@177SCmaro they outgunned the enterprise. And a main line ship means it’s a high quality vessel- why mothball that so quick but keep worse ships going for so long?
@@rhuman8672 They had almost the same firepower as the original enterprise refit. That said, I was referring to as time went on, why the constitution-class was decommissioned but not the miranda was not - they kept the old clunkers around to fill less important roles where ships like enterprise have to stay cutting edge so their service live is shorter. The real reason was Paramount was notoriously cheap and didn't want to pay for new models so in TNG and DS9 pretty much every time an old ship was needed they reused the old model with a few tweeks.
0:03) USS Enterprise-D Class. At least 3 times the script had Stewart saying that "It's the first of its kind". 2:32) Data was also "killed" with the Borg Queen. 2:49) Riker was the ship's First LieuTenant. Third in command.
My theory is that the Enterprise-E is still in service by the time of Star Trek Picard. Jack even said himself that with retrofitting, the Sovereign class ship could remain in service for years to come. I am aware that it is only a theory, but it is possible.
Honestly, if Paramount wanted their own “Luke Skywalker”, season two of Picard would be met with the USS Enterprise captained by Worf. Either Enterprise E or F, but I think it would be a small gesture that would make a lot of fans happy
I'd like to believe that it survived to a ripe old retirement age, and is actually a rather large museum piece..possibly secretly someone's retirement home. Also secretly, they're wondering the galaxy, just...looking around...in particular comfort, and security -(it's a tough, not so little ship).
We definitely need to get an update on ST:P regarding what exactly happened to our beloved NCC 1701-E. And give us our Worf!! 😂🤓👍🏽 And whats the update on Janeway, wasnt she supposed to make a cameo in Season 2 of STP? I can’t wait!! 😩😩😩😩⏰⏰⏰⏰
They had ships in the fleet 100 years old during the TNG era even modern day navel vessels have a life span plan of 35-50 years so I can't see the E being retired so early without suffering massive damage.
As the Flagship of Starfleet has usually always been named Enterprise, I think it's possible that the Enterprise was renamed and rechristened a decade or two after the battle with Shinzon, with the name going to a new top of the line heavy cruiser. As we've seen in may Star Trek Series, Starfleet like to keep there ships active for as long as possible, a perfect example of this is the Excelsior design and the Miranda design. The former NCC-1701-E is probably patrolling the boarder of some new federation world with maybe a third of the ships former crew compliment.
Hi, I think you may be on the right tack. We did see the defiant reborn from another ship, the name being changed to defiant. So it is possible to move the mane to a new ship. Old hardware still in good shape, Steve’s under another name. Take care M.
Why did Picard leave the Enterprise in 2381? That can't have been to lead the Romulan rescue mission. The Romulan supernova only happened in 2387. Why would Picard leave to command a mission that won't even be initiated for another six years?
@@TrekCentral That's good to know. Thank you for clearing that part up. However, I am still curious as to why there was a Romulan relocation effort in place six years before they knew about the tragedy that would befall the homeworld? Spock said, in Star Trek Online at least, that the Romulans should have had years but instead only had days to prepare for the supernova. I do not remember any mention of the Romulans knowing about the supernova years in advance in Star Trek Picard, so what was the relocation effort trying to accomplish. And why ask Starfleet for help? I could understand the Romulans asking the Federation for help after the Homeworld is destroyed and their Fleets get scattered along with their empire, but why would they ask the Federation to help relocate their citizens before the destruction of Romulous? Why not use their own fleets of starships to escort their populations to planets in their own imperial space? I have not read the comics so if their is an answer there then I would love it if someone could tell me about it. All and all, I'm just confused as to the timeline of events. If someone could explain things for me then I would greatly appreciate it.
The enterprise is synonymous with Starfleet so there will always be an enterprise in service no matter what the circumstances are. It's the flagship of the federation. It just comes down to what is accepted as cannon/lore is from the writers/showrunners
Considering the destruction of the Mars utopia shipyards, the federation would likely refit many older vessels and potentially bring some out of mothball in order to have new ships for service since they don’t have the ability to make new hulls
Even if you consider the destruction of Utopia Planitia on Mars Canon, they still had plenty of other shipyards, such as San Francisco, Antares, Luna, Vulcan(40 Eridani A), etc. They could absolutely continue starship construction while Utopia Planitia was rebuilt.
It would be cool to see, along with the NG crew, the Enterprise E return for Picard Season 3. Maybe they take the ship for one final mission. People here make good points about ships from the Miranda and Excelsior (and don't forget Oberth . . .still the coolest ships in ST!) classes were around for nearly a century, so E-E could very well still exist.
Enterprise-E was heavily damaged in the battle with Scimitar. Even with a refit and repair of the saucer section, the spaceframe most likely took extensive damage. I don't think Starfleet would choose to extend the life of the ship with further refits when they have other similar ships in production that didn't suffer such catastrophic damage. It opens up Starfleet's flagship for a whole heap of issues down the line with metal fatigue and stress fractures. Makes more sense to just repair it to the current tech level, and when it's time to refit it again, just decommission and transfer the name to a newer ship.
I have to agree here. The U.S.S. Iowa had a turret explosion that was never repaired in 1989. It continued in service for another year, before it was mothballed and decommissioned. As were all of the Iowa Class Battleships. No reason why Starfleet could not have done the same. Realizing the damage to Enterprise E was too extensive even after doing repairs to the outer sections of the saucer.
Picard leaves the Ent E with his admiral promotion...and that Worf ends up captain is ridiculous. End of DS9 he goes to be Martoks diplomat but then they bring him back to Ent E for Nemesis as though he never left starfleet...again...and obviously unless Ent E has been destroyed since Picard left then it is still in service. Excelsior Miranda Oberth class ships are seen still in service during TNG DS9 and Voyager Endgame sphere battle. And Ent E was not destroyed like the books say cause obviously Data wasn’t alive to captain the ship. It’s no longer the flagship of the federation probably but it is still in service and probably used mostly as a border patrol vessel around Romulan space. Btw. Don’t get me started on Picard S1 final episode with Riker arriving with a fleet of ships all the same class....BS... that was just lazy SFX or a budget shortfall....but 200 federation ships all the same pseudo sovereign class....yeah right...play someone else’s strings cause mine aren’t budging....I smell a cheap cop out SFX scene...
There is one theory about whether or not the Enterprise E was able to be updated and it stems from an analogy spoken by Scotty. "The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." The simpler the technology, the easier maintenance and update usually is.
Automatische Übersetzung von YT. Fällt mir auch schon längere Zeit auf und dürfte YT von Kanal zu Kanal freischalten. Merkt man, weil auch Bezeichnungen übersetzt wurden, die man niemals übersetzen würde: Sovereign Class -> souveräne Klasse, Speicher Alpha -> Memory Alpha, …
Fun fact/update. Several Star Trek Online ships have shown up in the Picard season 2 trailer. SO it is quite possible that the Picard Tv show will turn to cannon what was once just part of a game and that Enterprise F is in fact an Odyssey class starship.
My expectation that the Enterprise captain being Worf rather than Data has a lot to do with the choice to make Data himself unsalvagable physically (we later learn his... pardon the terminology-data- was retrieved by Soong's physical son and was given a chance to pass on fully) in Picard (which is an expansion/respect for Brent Spiner asking for Data to be killed off so that he could age while not attempting to pretend to be ageless physically). I am really fascinated by the idea that Worf had several years in Starfleet as a captain on the Enterprise.
In the Star Trek TNG Technical Manual, it is stated that the Galaxy class spaceframe was designed to last an operational life of about 100 years, taking several major refits/upgrades during those 100 years and many more smaller ones. If we base the spaceships in ST as a paralelism of navy ships in our real world, 100 years is a lot, but 40 years is quite common for a warship to last (lile the USS Nimitz aircraft carrier for example, or many cruisers)
Hopefully the Enterprise E is still on service, makes sense as the miranda and excelsior classes were in service for roughly 100 years I think. Plus the original Enterprise was in service from 2245 to its destruction but was refit from the ground up etc...so who knows
There was a little cutscene in Star Trek Online during battle for DS9 against old Domonion fleet which shows some Sovereign class starship destroyes just before Enterprise-F appears.
Shame he never listened to Kirk. Never let them take you off the bridge of that ship.
Don't let them promote you.
Don't let them transfer you.
Don't let them do anything that takes you out of that chair because while you're there... you can make a difference.
I miss Kirk.
Kirk understood!
I think he got off the bridge to coordinate romulan evacuation effort. It didn't play out in the end with the mars rebellion and supernova exploded faster, but I don't think Picard would regret getting out of E-E to save millions of lives
Then no one could ever get promoted if officers refused to move on. Promising careers would stagnate on ships commanded by geriatrics. God help them if it's Data or long lived Vulcans. Also look at how Picard behaves in old age. Do you want THAT Picard in command of your flagship? Riker kept refusing promotions not allowing up and coming talent like Shelby to come in and have the benefit of learning under Picard how to be a leader. It took getting the E wrecked in combat to force a captaincy on him. The only hope for promotion in that kind of officer culture would either be from war attrition or transferring to a newly commissioned ship out of Utopia Planetia.
I've thought the same thing, myself. So, they needed to devise some major reason why Picard would accept promotion, that being the Romulan crisis. Had that not happened, I could have seen Picard in The Chair until his retirement.
The Sovereign class was one of my favorite ship designs along with the Intrepid class.
Sovreign STILL looks sleek, sexy, deadly, and somehow future-classic
I agree with the first but Intrepid always looked ugly to me.
Yoyager looked great, similar and different to Galaxy. I like the retracting Warp Nacelles concept, sort of like a Hybrid car.
No its the excelsior class
I liked the Sovereign class vessel. Probably my absolute favorite. Excelsior class was good too.
and yet there are 100 year old mirandas and excelsiors flying around but a 30 year old ship is decomissioned?
@@syntrilliumc.e.p.9326 well thats new to me. i dont believe they were still building "new" mirandas 80-100 years later. the US military doesnt build new b-52 bombers, they mothball them, then send through a complete rehab.
@@syntrilliumc.e.p.9326 The Enterprise E was NOT designed to fight the Borg. The Sovereign was a new class of explorer starship and is in line with every other Federation starship development. You're thinking of the Defiant class, she was a purpose built compact battleship designed to counter the Borg threat.
@@motaz1975 ... I always thought that was curious, especially watching episodes of DS9 Dominion War battle scenes ... like GM building "new" 1950's era chassis in 2021. I get it from a production standpoint in the real world but I would think creating a backstory is hella difficult from a logical perspective. Meh, I guess if they make it believable to a non-Trekkie then whatevers.
@@motaz1975 ... that was my one stick in the craw with DS9/Dominion Wars. You get all this screen time of 100yr design Miranda's & Excelsior's (pre-refit) and not one CG model of an Ambassador ... though you do get a glimpse of an exploding Akira at 'Battle of Chin'toka.' That's pretty much it ... I'd love for a HD remastered series with all the bells & whistles. Can anybody answer that inquiry? lol
@@Straitjacket2007 Yes and no.
The Sovereign Class started development in 2365, just a few months before Enterprise-D's first encounter with the borg, and caused Starfleet to augment the Soverign design with the Borg in mind.
The next year was the Battle of Wolf 359, which had StarFleet getting their kester cooked while inflicting nearly no damage to the Borg. That was what caused the entire philosophy of all ship design to shift from exploration/science to combat, which included the Defiant design(which was mothballed until 2371 due to issues from its shakedown cruise), and focusing on the Sovereign, as the design augments already integrated gave the class a massive edge in combating the Borg.
Regarding decommissioning the Enterprise E, given that the Excelsior class was in service some 80+ years, I find it hard to believe they'd have the Sovereign class would only be in service for 20 years given how advanced the class is.
@Rickie Matthews
Naval Ships nowadays or in service for decades. I presume this to be the same for star ships. It just doesn´t make sense to decommison the ship after a mere 25 years.
It does when the ship is very against the doctrine of your navy. Starfleet is not a military, it is an exploratory and diplomatic division. With the defeat of the dominion and the borg, starfleet warships would begin to become impractical in favor of new exploratory vessels. The Miranda and the excelsior were designs in service for 80+ years because starfleet doctrine didn’t change in that time, while after the dominion war and the more or less collapse of the borg, the sovereigns, Prometheus, and defiant class vessels would be mothballed, only really used if another large threat to the federation occurred, and given that we see the Prometheus class in the battle with the sphere builders in ENT, it’s reasonable to assume starfleet had no reason to build new warships for the 200 year period of time, just pulled the Prometheus out of mothballs, gave it new shields and phasers and sent it right back into the field. But such an obvious warship is way out of line with starfleet doctrine at the time that it would not be a ship that would stay in service after it was no longer needed.
@@TheDunbartxeen maybe it was too expebsive to operate. We know it was expensive to build so they only had a handful during wartime. Having a small fleet of a certain type also makes it more expensive for logistics. It's similar to the Zumwalt class in real life. Not worth it, especially if you aren't in a war anymore
It's also possible they put it through a refit and rebadge it with a different name. Something less iconic which gives them the slot to name another ship the Enterprise
Remember that starship design and use has always been dependent on war and peace circumstances, with Starfleet emphasizing their position as peaceful. The Dominian War changed a lot of things, and when it was finally over, things certainly changed again.
You have to remember, the Galaxy class starships were built to be in service for 80 years. It’s reasonable the E could be built for service at least that long.
The Enterprise E is supposed to last for a century.
I thought the galaxy class was supposed to be good for 100 years. It's been a while since I read it, but I know the info was in the TNG technical manual. Either way I couldn't see replacing the sovereign class so soon unless it was destroyed or if they found a major issue with it. We've seen lesser ships brought forward from the Kirk era like the Hood and Saratoga, so why not?
never understood people who make the argument "oh, that class of ship is like 20 years old, starfleet would start retiring them", especially given mirandas and excelsiors in the late 23rd century.
We still use modernized versions of 40 year old fighters, and the b52 is like 70 years old, and they just swap out engines/avionics/radar/etc.
A starship, even a small one, is a huge investment of resources, and it's always going to make more sense to just upgrade the equipment that's woefully outdated. A space frame is a space frame, and crew quarters, jefferies tubes, corridors and such don't really become outdated as such. The Lakota was a perfect example of how you can beef up the relevant systems of an older ship to make it competitive in modern times for a fraction the cost in time, manpower, and resources vs building a new one.
Ships aren't designed with the intent to serve for a set number of years. They are built with a task and investment in mind and the ship gets retired when it's either outdated or no longer needed. One example is how the Constitution class was retired decades before the Miranda and Oberth despite both being around the same age.
Warships have an even tighter obsolescence schedule than standard ships due to the need to stay relevant in an ever changing military environment. Like the Constitution-class, the Sovereign-class is both a warship and a science/exploration ship, this would cause the Sovereign-class to get the same type of treatment as the Constitution. The moment a new "heavy ship" is designed, the Sovereign is likely to be retired if it's no longer needed and it's useful mission profiles can be dealt with by other, less resource intensive ships.
I think the only ship that actually breaks this is the Excelsior-class as it found itself remaining in the fleet for long after it should have been replaced by the Ambassador-class. Otherwise, you see the Constitution-class get replaced by the Excelsior-class, the Ambassador-class gets replaced by the Galaxy-class, and the Sovereign-class is meant to replace the Galaxy-class. Obsolescence wasn't based on age in any of those cases but rather on how relevant they were in the fleet at the time and what part they could serve in the next generation of the fleet.
@@ericlanglois9194 I disagree. As I said, military designs today remain in service with upgrades for decades. You don't retire an entire class of ship just because you want a new shape. If a new design is really better, more often than not it'll boil down to the tech in it, which can be upgraded. The Sovereign is in many regards the 24th century version of the excelsior, and would doubtless be in service well into the 25th century.
The reason the constitution(which had been around at least 40 years before we ever saw a miranda or oberth in canon) disappeared was in reality due to not wanting to diminish the importance of the Enterprise and Ent-A. In universe it's suspected that it's vulnerable spaceframe and the fact it had already gone through a major upgrade, and by the time the 1701-A was decommissioned, most of the constitutions (we only know of about 16) had been retired or destroyed for various reasons. Also the famous "5 year missions" the connies were famed for were going out of style. The Miranda was a smaller, easier to produce ship with plenty of versatility that starfleet could make a bunch of and have a larger presence. Obviously there isn't much sense in making new constitutions when you have a newer, more capable design in the excelsior.
Now would they still be pumping out new sovereigns in the 2450s? Probably not, but it's not impossible, especially if the design were improved with new tech from the ground up. They're still making new F16s to this day despite it being a 40 year old design. New engines/weapons systems/radar and it's still a perfectly good fighter that fills that small, agile multi role fighter niche.
The Nova is clearly the successor to the Oberth(both being survey/science), and despite being a comparatively weak and slow ship in the 24th century fleet, is no doubt vastly superior to the Oberth in every way, yet the Oberth remains in service. The only warships the federation really has are the defiant and prometheus classes, and we saw a prometheus still in service during the 26th century, probably 150 years after introduction.
If the spaceframe of the sovereign(or any other ship) offers the crew capacity, cargo space, lab space, weapon mounts, etc.. to fill a certain role in the fleet and do it well, then they would keep building them while implementing new tech along the way. Until a new spaceframe that was designed to work in the same niche as the sovereign and had significant advantages incorporated that couldn't just be retrofit into the sovereign came along, there's no reason to retire the class. Again, you don't introduce a new class because you want a new shape. You work improvements into new ships of existing classes. And even after that happens you'd still keep the older ships around, as we've seen. They may not be front line anymore, but there will still be work for them.
If the prometheus class, a purpose built warship, can remain in service for over a century, then a cutting edge and versatile design like the sovereign certainly can. If we consider the odyssey class from STO, that's clearly a ship with an entirely different mission profile than the sovereign, and wouldn't be a direct successor.
TL;DR I think there just weren't that many constitutions to begin with and by the time many of them had been destroyed, there were spaceframes with greater advantages available, which were then used till the better part of a century later at least. Other designs like the constellation class may simply have been retired because they sucked.
The Sovereign class was the bleeding edge of tech. It would have a service way longer than 20 years, so ofc it would still be out there kicking ass.
Most likely outcome is with the introduction of the Odessy class, the Enterprise E was recommissioned with a new name and registry, kind of like when the Yorktown was renamed Enterprise A
@@davidknowles2491 I don’t buy that... I don’t mean I don’t buy that the Enterprise-E would be renamed, I don’t buy that the Yorktown was renamed to the Enterprise-A, because for starters, according to the movie, the Yorktown was deploying a generator to keep the ship running when the wale probe came, besides, if the Enterprise-A is the Yorktown, why is the interior different? And what happened to the crew?
Agreed a few refits etc just look how long the Excelsior class lasted
@@davidknowles2491 Yorktown was only renamed as a favour to Kirk
@@Salfordian Again, if the Yorktown is the Ent-A, how was it back in space dock, where is the crew, why is the bridge different and most important of all since I forgot to add it on my other comment, why where the systems malfunctioning in ST5? If it was the Yorktown only renamed, why would the systems be Malfunctioning?
Despite the reprimand, Worf was given command of the Defiant several times during the Dominian War and against the Borg. Considering Dax was a Trill with 8 lifetimes of experience it was a justifiable choice to save her.
Yes but Worf was only in temporary command of the defiant
@@jamessullivan7692
Maybe so but if he wasn’t considered fit to command full time why part time? He could still make the same decision as before.
@@jamessullivan7692 Worf did just fine in the Captains chair and despite the reprimand proved himself capable more times then one. its not out of the rhelm of possibilities that he would be given command of the Enterprise E.
I should also point out that since Picard was promoted to Admiral when he left the Enterprise his first act as Admiral could have been to promote Worf to Captain of the Enterprise.
No it wasn't that's why you never see him and Dax on a mission one of them would stay on ds9 after that. Now it was a bad command decision by Kira to send them because u look at any military real or factional they have rules regarding send couples on missions like that. If not married Worf or Dax would have both completed the mission. Simply the information that the imfortive had could have been used to save lives and that like the Informant they were sent to extract had information and locations of all tge founders in the alpha Quadrant plus during a war were your losing thousands of troops,ships and more that information could have saved millions. Now should that keep him from command no but it might
The Aircraft carrier Enterprise lived for over 50 years before being decommissioned. Enterprise-E should be around at least as long unless something happened to it.
While there were Starfleet ships that were in commission for decades, these were mostly science vessels. The problem with ships like the Sovereign class in Star Trek is that they get outclassed faster by new technologies etc, than our modern ships, especially aircraft carriers.
While under normal conditions no doubt even the worst designed starfleet combat ship will be in commission for decades, there might be certain variables that turn a ship obsolote a lot faster.
There's a modern day example for that too. Technically tanks have become obsolete today. In the most recent conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia, Azerbaijan "won", even though by they have by traditional standards the weaker military. Less tanks, less modern tanks, less soldiers etc. etc. But they have drones and Armenia doesn't.
Result was that tanks from Armenia got shot down by drones "loitering" around conflict areas, just waiting for targets to arrive.
With this in mind, a simple new kind of technology could render even the most recent and modern vehicle useless.
I just realized that the Enterprise E actually has a trilogy. nearly assimilated, Insurrection, and ramming Scimitar.
As much as I dislike Data's death, I have to respect Brent Spiner's discomfort to play androids.
Look at the Miranda class, Excelsior over a 100 years of refits and service, and Prometheus class (Xindi war)
From what I recall of the Enterprise D technical manual, it discussed an expected service life with regular refit/upgrade cycles to be roughly 100 years. Those Galaxy class ships really took a beating though, so only a few seem to have made it past the Dominion War.
Yamato blew up after getting scanned by the Iconians, Odyssey was kamikaze-ed by the Jem'Hadar, and obviously the Enterprise-D went down after a few too many shots went through the shields
We do see onscreen that the E retains the prototype deflector, and assumedly the assicated technologies within the ship, thus one might conclude those facets could contribute to a shortened service life (the Sovereign is still in service in 2381, and STO has her in 2410).
God, I hope she is still on the go, we need to see her again!!
at the time of Picard. its either the Soverign class E, or the Odyssey class F
@@maevekirkland9452 the Odyssey isn't canon, so not likely that the actual F is an Ody.
Dear Eva in the mirror, it’s all fantasy. If you want it to exist someday then it does. Star Trek was just a TV show that was later made into movies. Get a life.
Starships named Enterprise tend to have short lives. The D only served for 8 years. Picard technically commanded the E for a longer time but because we only saw her in three movies compared to all of the episodes in TNG, people think of the D more often. Anyway, I hope the E is still out there somewhere. Even Star Trek Online didn't give us a proper explanation as to what happened to it, and any timeline saying Data was captain has been voided by ST Picard.
Because they tend to get destroyed in the line of duty.
The E was investigating why contact with Starbase 236 was lost. During said mission they encounter Species 8472 and enter Fluidic Space. Where the Enterprise was destroyed.
@@fenrisvermundr2516 Makes you wonder if it was rogue factions of 8472 as Janeway made a non aggression pact with the Undine while still in the Delta Quadrant.
Sadly, there is a trend to void/erase any previous creation by new director/writers, to enforce they one and only "correct" vision of that universe, even if its without any "plot" consistency or common sense.
First large case of this doings that i know, was Baldur's Gate - Bhaalspawn saga, and next was Star Wars. Now we see the same here, when incompetent writer voided already established and reasonable events.
And the D crashed because they let the woman drive.
We really need to praise the Odyssey class more. It is a fan design, chosen by competition for Star Trek Online to become the new Enterprise. And that fan design is now canon thanks to the Picard comics in the form of the Verity.
It was confirmed Cannon by CBS and Paramount roughly 3 years ago.
And what about the Inquiry class?
Stuff that. I prefer the sovereign class.
@@danivarius Sovereign is better, I will give you that. But was it made by fans and then brought into canon? Name another fan design that has done that.
@@Restilia_ch The Luna class
The Enterprise E is such a beautiful ship, too bad so many games don't capture it's majesty
Bridge commander does!!!
In ST:Ent, when Archer is taken onto the Enterprise J, we see Defiant class and a Prometheus class ships in the battle. Given that the Sovereign class is at least as modern as those two, and is as capable at peaceful operations such as exploration as it is in combat, and more in line with the 'traditional' Starfleet mandate, to me it's very simple; the Enterprise E would still be in service and I'd expect at LEAST 40-50 years worth of service for the class.
Perhaps if the class is still in service when the Odyssey class, and the Enterprise F is brought into service as flagship, the E could be renamed and recommissioned (it is a thing, both IRL and in Trek) because it's still a Sovereign class ship, so would still be a very useful, capable and potent vessel.
That’s a really good take. With that in mind, I would describe the Sovereign-class as taking the later mantle which the Excelsior-class stood on during the early half of the 24th-century. Legendary, multi-purpose heavy cruiser that was once at the peak of Starfleet Engineering.
Now that Paramount owns ALL Star Trek, the Enterprise-E could very well still be in service. She was one of the most powerful ships in the fleet, so there’s every reason to think she’d be around at the time of Picard. The reason why the ships we know and love with the exception of the “D” weren’t in any of the series on CBS All Access, is because Paramount owned the Rights to TOS TOS- Movies and TNG Movies. That’s why the original Enterprise looks so different in Discovery. They had to make enough changes in the design to not have an issue. That should all be gone now, so I’m hopeful we’ll see the Enterprise E as well as a more normal TOS Enterprise in the coming Strange New Worlds Series and Picard.
That would be amazing. I would love to see the post-Nemesis Enterprise-E in a future Star Trek installation (even though she would be of a similar configuration as seen in Nemesis).
@@dustinkosman6615 Or just the class as a group of ships still being used along with the new class.
Worf is now the Captain of the USS Enterprise E.
about the redesign of the enterprise to avoid issues, i'v seen that because all of star trek is set in the future recently they have made everything more futuristic so I would say that the redesign was primarily to make it look more futuristic and fit with the USS Discovery's design style as the original enterprise looks more like a plate on a tin can with toothpicks sticking out of it with cylinders attached.
@@aydenjacko Except that _TOS_ is still set 'in the future.' They easily could have respected and kept the look, even if they gussied it up a bit visually. The original Connie went through some refits that also updated it visually during its run on the original show, but nothing like what's shown on _Discovery_ . I'm afraid Kurtzman and crew's excuse just does not wash. Especially when they were able to do so much more respect and love to _TOS_ in the _DS9_ episode 'Trials and Tribble-ations.' If you haven't watched this episode, I highly recommend it.
The Sovereign class is by far one of my top favorites and it had such a short life.
Considering how long Excelsior and Miranda ships were in service, there is absolutely no reason to not believe the Enterprise-E is still in service as of 2399 short of it being lost in battle or some other equally destructive circumstances.
It is very possible that the ship was destroyed. Given how many times any ship named Enterprise finds trouble, the Enterprise E could have been destroyed. The Enterprise E being destroyed fighting something that would take a whole fleet to destroy.
@@angelrivera2339 Doesn't even have to be destroyed. If it took one too many lickings, possible the ships structure and critical infrastructure took too much damage to repair effectively. If the collective cost of repairing the ship exceeded or approached what it would take to build a new ship, it would be more feasible to scrap the ship and build the new ship. That might have been what happened.
the sovereign class would be middle aged by the time of the picard series, i don't think it would have been decommissioned. The excelsior class....
Excelsior and Boba Fett got laughed at, being the "best" in their debuts, but went out weakly. Took Boba nearly 40 decades for rectification, but Excelsior's class ships served widely...Trans-Warp or not. Or the model of it was free for the tv shows! :)
Sovereign class is just perfect, i love her, she is so beautiful, the most beautiful ship i have ever seem.
Excelsior and Miranda class starships were in service in TNG and DS9, more than 80 years after their original design and took part in the Dominion war. Decommissioning a souvereign class after 30 years makes no sense.
Same goes for the Galaxy class.
Both the Galaxy class and Sovereign class would be able to receive technology upgrades either in the field or/and when they are back in space dock to make them on par with modern ships in overall capabilities.
The USS Lakota (Excelsior class) was upgraded to match the USS Defiant without having Ablative hull armor, and O'brien said that running away is not necessarily an option because if SF upgraded the Lakota to such a degree on shields and weapons, he dreaded to think what they did to its engines.
I would expect that PRODUCTION of new Galaxy and Sovereign class ships wouldn't proceed after the first 10 years or so.
Any ships which were built in that initial (10 year) time frame and have survived, would have continued to receive system upgrades.
In essence, assuming they aren't destroyed during acting service, Starfleet could simply upgrade them indefinitely over the centuries.
Trek demonstrated that Federation upgrading capabilities greatly improved in the 24th century by doing what they did to USS Lakota. Probably because of replicators and transporters.
You can simply beam out/dematerialize older hw, and while its energy, rearrange its pattern into state of the art hw, and beam it back into place. This can be used for modifying the internals of the ship itself as well as needed, or AI and adaptive algorithms can be used to reshape state of the art tech to fit into those older designs.
Either way, upgrading ships indefinitely would be dead easy.
The original Enterprise was decommissioned after 20 years.
HMS Dreadnought (real life) made all previous battleships redundant. Same could've happened with the Sovereign class. New tech, materials, construction techniques made the refit process not practicable. A single class production line has a higher volume of production capability, refits are slow, time and space consuming plus impacting on resources more and training crew on multiple ship classes/systems.
@@ifax1245 Not for a post-industrial spacefaring organization comprised of over 150 alien species that can materialize matter out of energy and has teleportation capabilities to boot.
Refitting a starship would be relatively simple (especially if automated by adaptive algorithms).
Trek has also established canonically that ships can be used for LONG periods of time.
We saw the USS Prometheus in battle with the sphere builders in the 26th century (alternate timeline, but still).
And both the Excelsior and Miranda class ships were upgraded and survived into late 24th century.
The USS Lakota (over 80 year old starship) was upgraded to MATCH the USS Defiant in tactical prowess without having ablative hull armor (something which the Defiant DID have), and it was speculated it was much faster than the Defiant to boot.
I can see the refit cycle being impractical for say mid/late 22nd century ships surviving into the 23rd century because the Federation didn't have real replication ability back then.
From 24th century onward, it would be relatively simple to upgrade say 80-100 year old ships.
Look at USS Discovery. It was upgraded to 32nd century standards (with its hull reshaped in 3 weeks) even though its 931 years old design.
Programmable matter can more easily reshape existing matter and its a less energy intensive process compared to say replicators... but I'm saying that mid/late 23rd century ships would be easier to retrofit in the 24th century as advancement in technology and algorithms would allow Starfleet to do that.
Heck, its possible that some Excelsiors and Miranda classes are still flying in the 25th and 26th centuries with reshaped hulls (a process which probably wouldn't have taken place until about sometime in the 25th century).
@@Spacegoat92 Pike had it for 15yrs and Kirk 5yr mission plus so longer
“That was not my fault” - Worf
I'd be happy to see Geordi in command of the Enterprise if not Worf.
Worf is a Line Officer, not a Fleet Officer; he would be *horrible* at the exploratory arm of the mission.
Much better to leave him in command of a line warship (like a Defiant-Class Escort) where his natural inclination to "Kill it a lot" would serve the mission.
In _STO_ , Geordi gets command of the _USS Challenger_ , a Galaxy-class refit.
I also rather like the progression that Data gets brought back in B4's frame, and is given command of a recommissioned _Enterprise-E_ , until the ship is lost in action. As his last act as its captain, Data effectively saves most of his crew, including himself. This also opens the way for Shon to captain the _F_ .
Worf leaves Starfleet and returns to Qu'nos to serve as Gintak to House Martok under Lady Sirella. She serves as head of the House until Klingon Intelligence finds that Martok is alive and being held captive in a Son'a prison in the Briar Patch. Naturally a rescue mission is launched, and Worf takes part as part of the KDF part of the Khitomer Alliance.
More over, if the Enterprise-E was retired/destroyed and we get an Odyssey Class Enterprise-F, WILL Riker command her if Worf decided to retire after losing the Enterprise? (Pun Win!)
I’m also feeling maybe the Zheng he was a Temporary command before he was offered to be permanently reinstated, and offered her (Most Likely Newly Completed) Successor?
And i can see the 1701-F being something like a Safe Harbor for the La Sirena and her Crew every now and then, not every episode, but when it’s appropriate, its main hangar is more cavernous than the Main hangar on the Galaxy class (Which itself was so big it could never be shown directly on screen), and i bet it can EASILY Fit the La Sirena NO PROBLEM.
Worf will never have his own command due to his actions in DS9 where he went to recuse Dax, Cisco tells he that as his friend he would have done the same but as his commanding officer he cannot condone the action and that it will prevent him from ever commanding on his own.
La Forge is an Engineer!
The Odyssey Class is one of the most beautiful designs ever made in Star Trek and has every right to bare the Name Enterprise.
My main admiral uses one as his flagship.
Canonically the Excelsior-class vessels were in service for close to 100 years. Miranda-class vessels served even longer.
I'm still half expecting them to show up in Discovery. XD
The real USS Enterprise was in service of more than 50 years. The Air Force probably won’t retire the B-52 much before it’s 100th year…so I’d imagine Starfleet would try to get more than 40 or more years out of a starship class.
To be fair, trouble follows starships named Enterprise like a lost puppy. It is possible that the Enterprise being destroyed while stopping something that would take a whole fleet to stop.
The USAF is going to retire the F-22 before the plane it was supposed to replace. Sometimes it's not worth it, too expensive to maintain
Let's not forget the US Navy LCS ships being decomissioned after mere years in service, earning them the dubious moniker of "Little Crappy Ships". It's possible that the Sovereign class had an irreconcilable design flaw that led to the class's premature decomissioning.
I believe the Enterprise E may have been decommissioned due to the stress her frame incurred when she was rammed into the Romulan ship. She might have been in for a refit when micro fractures to her framework were discovered. This made her unfit for a refit and she was decommissioned. That's my theory and I'm stickin' to it.
1701-E getting rammed into the scimitar, and hard handling under worf, plus what happened in Star Trek prodigy
(Taking over the ships computer)
It really was the mileage & not the years.
They could have shown us the old girl
- let us at least say goodbye -
She meant a lot to us than to be sitting in some space junkyard.
Worf: "It wasn't my fault!"
I was a fan of the C, D, and E, with the C being my favorite. But I gotta say, the SINGLE most under rated ship in all of Trek is the Nova class. Had they made it larger with decent weaponry it could have easily had it's own show, it's a gorgeous ship and not THAT far away from standard Enterprise designs.
It was in fact designed first as a replacement for the Galaxy Class (the Nova) - it's in the old TNG technical manual by the Okudas
Given Picard S3 I hope they never really answer it. Just leave as THE INCIDENT. Worf's kobiyashi maru. I'm thinking that it was actually pretty funny given how it's treated on screen. Makes me think he lost the ship, no crew, and even saved the planet despite truly ridiculous, even by Trek standards, odds. SF court martial him and come to the conclusion that Worf pulled off a miracle and not only cleared him but commended him formally. But everyone still busts him about it.
Still holding out hope for a cameo in Lower Decks at some point.
Me too
Given the destruction of the shipyards around Mars and what seems to be a lack of resources referenced in Picard I think the E is still out there serving the Federation. If it does show up in Picard I could even imagine some talk about it being dated and old... Just like Picard 😉 Though Worf would likely not take kindly to that characterization of his ship. I think the Federation in Picard wouldn't decommission a working ship so if the E isn't around then I would assume it was destroyed.
Utopia Planitia isn’t the only facility that can retrofit starships you know. Other facilities can do so too. This includes the facilities in orbit of Earth, Deep Space 9, and other Federation Starbases.
@@dustinkosman6615 But, the point is, those facilities cannot build new ships. Utopia Planitia was the only location to do that work from the ground up.
I think quite likely destroyed with the Mars attack and all.
@@tlouiseallen9302 I doubt it. During the Mars Attack scene in Maps and Legends, I did not see the Enterprise there. My best guess is that she was either on patrol somewhere or exploring new territory.
@@dustinkosman6615 I agree. The only way the Enterprise could be at Mars during the attack is if she had prior warning beforehand. Anyway, she would have been mentioned if the Enterprise was destroyed at that moment. The novel that deals with the evacuation shows La Forge as the attack took place.
There was no mention of the Enterprise being there, except a report that ships were on route to assist from across Federation space, and ships in the Sol System at the time were moving in to help, but there were few of them available.
It's quite possible that the damage to the E drastically shortened her service life. Even repaired, she would have been somewhat fragile compared to her Sisters. So it's quite likely that she would have only been kept in commission until the follow up class was brought into service.
@leighrate I agree and it makes sense. It's just like a car being wrecked for the first time. Once the original frame is damaged, any repairs made will not have the same overall strength. New welds to old sections would change the strength ratios of those sections in relation to their centers of gravity. To those folks that would say that it shouldn't make a difference, let's look at it based on real life. Why do you think Car Fax was created? Because vehicles involved in wrecks have a different performance and handles slightly differently than original factory specs, so yeah, I could see the -E being retired early despite the specified 50 year overhaul expectancy.
One of my favorite ships :)
Why?
We have been given so little information about it over the course of about three movies, how could it have come to earn such a place in your heart?
@@TheNoiseySpectator Well for one, it looks cool. That's enough reason of it's own. It's also okay to disagree with him tho just incase you don't like it, cosmetics is personal preference afterall. But while we only saw the Enterprise-E in three films, it had much more presence in the extended universe (as explained in the video), featuring prominently in novels aswell as several video games. So, plenty there to earn a place as one of someone's favourites.
I personally prefer it to the Enterprise-D myself (which I honestly think is among the ugliest of all Enterprises, but once again, personal preference), was disappointed that they used that for the scenes in Picard instead of the Ent-E, but eh, figured they would with the way everything nostalgia baits these days, and well, TNG obviously has much more recognition than the Ent-E films from the general audience overall. Even though in context that's probably a bit off seems it's likely Picard actually spent more years as Captain of the E than the D; Maybe his time aboard the E was just less traumatic. Beating the Borg is probably less PTSD inducing than becoming one of them.
The Excelsior and Miranda class served over 80 years in Star Fleet, the Galaxy class were said to be able to serve for a century. I find it extremely unlikely that the Enterprise E would be decommissioned only 30 years in unless there was a serious fault found in the class, the Enterprise-E was either seriously damaged beyond repair, or destroyed. Given the history of the Enterprise namesake, it was more than likely destroyed.
I would lobby to surprise the audience by having the E show up in Picard because everyone would expect a new ship class. I would say that its reasonable to believe that the E would still be in service after only 25 years. Audience wouldn't expect it.
Worf's first altercation as captain of the Enterprise E: "PREPARE FOR RAMMING SPEEEED!" Enterprise E gets destroyed, not Worf's fault. The other ship wouldn't move.
I would LOVE to see Captain Worf, could be some awesome battles.
Theory: The E was needed by The Travels. They need a ship to fix a time breach. Wesley calls a favor from capt wolf. They team up and stop the breach, but the E is stuck in temporal space. A base of operations for the travlers, but normal people can't stay on the ship for long. Wolf and crew must leave. Star fleet is not understanding, and some admril side lines wolf. The E then would be the reson for the vary terrestrial transporter that Wesley uses to collect soji.
Look the E was really very pretty and had a lot more fire power than previous vessels, but now that the D is back... screw E & F!!
I’d love it if we get a flash back style episode in season two of Picard where he’s come across the enterprise E ( or been searching for her) and we all either get to say goodbye to the old girl or Picard gets her back up and running to save the day once more in a way only the enterprise E could do
All I know is it wasn't Worfs fault.
The name, Enterprise, is one of the " names of Honor " that's always been in service, class not withstanding. So, even if a particular class of ship has been decomissioned, one can bet that there is still an Enterprise of another class out there somewhere.
The Enterprise has always been as much of a character as any other actor, it explains why scenes such as its destruction in ST3 are so memorable, it’s destruction in Generations for lack of plot caused so much annoyance at the loss of the Big D, and why possibly even its lack of acknowledgement in Picard so far has left as many questions as where is Laforge, Worf et al. I sometimes wonder if the writers understand that the main ship often is as important to some of as as the cast?!
Well that wrongs been righted
Keep in mind we are not talking just about Earth TECH advancements alone, we are talking about a BIG chunk of TECH from the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. With that many civilizations with improvement IMHO we would see faster refits, and a bit faster new classes than we see here on Earth in RL. The rate of advancement would almost snowball during certain periods (Dominion war...) where you would see new classes and refits coming often. Also think about the knowledge that Voyager alone brought back and the advancements and upgrades that would spawn. Then as Romulus recovers and reaches out that TECH will leak into design and advancement, allowing more of the galaxy to be explored faster, hence more first contacts, more allies, more new TECH and designs.... faster upgrades, refits, and new classes. Again this is just my opinion.
Imagine if the series finale of Picard was the commissioning of the Ent-F
The new ship assigned to the crew at the end of Star Trek Beyond should have been the Excelsior LOL
@@Kiwibirdman1701 They might be saving the excelsior class for Enterprise B...Enterprise A should be the same or almost the same as her predecessor as in the OG movie..as for Enterprise F,it's possible to see her soon in Picard..
His entire speech would be an apology.
So you're saying you want _STP_ to last for 10 years?
@@BNuts I think the nominal 7 years would suffice for anything Trek.
About the service life expectancy of ships of the Enterprise E, the Galaxy-class ships like the older Enterprise D were designed to serve for a full century including as yet unknown but planned refits. Not sure if that carries over to the Soverign-class, as I've heard that they feature weapons and armor upgrades beyond what the Galaxy-class had, earning it the assault cruiser monicker in Star Trek Online, but It'd make sense if Soverign-class ships were launched with similar plans in mind.
The Excelsior Class was still in service during the time of the Dominion war and the first was built in 2280 during Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. Comparing other starship lifespans, it should be in service around the same timeframe.
Just remember they have Miranda's and a few Connie's in service.
So you would expect a new ship would stay in service for years to come.
Even now the galaxy class is in service... so the sovereign would definitely still around as it was still one of the most powerful federation ships.
I don't think the federation would take it out of service for a LONG time.
To be fair to Worf, it's the Federation's fault for ending newly-weds on a mission together. Almost as silly as putting families on the D haha!
Wish they could use deep-fakes to continue the voyages of the USS Enterpise E with Data.
The Sovereign class if by far one of my favorite ships. Although the Yorktown refit is on point for the Enterprise F.
Well after watching Picard,it looks like wolf broke the Enterprise E 😮
The E always looked awesome. Love the D too.
That was not Worf’s fault 😮
If you look at the enterprise-e from the rear and compared against some of the screenshots during the climactic Fleet vs. Fleet engagement at the end of Picard, I'd be venturing to Guess that the Enterprise E likely still in service and certainly a number of other ships of the same class including the USS Xeng Xe, which Captain Riker was in command of. But it definitely, despite limited images, appears to likewise be a fleet of Sovereign-class starships.
I think it likely that the Enterprise-E was renumbered and renamed, freeing up the Enterprise name and number for one the newest classes, keeping the Federation flagship the most powerful (and state of the art) ship around.
That would be stupid and straight dissrespectfull for the name Enterprise. The E was never meant to be a show of anything. In ST6 she is an obsolete training ship and still gathers respect for the name. Besides E-E would be 27 years old at the time of commisioning of E-F. Thats not old in any shape or form for a ship of the line. Not new but not obsolete especially when you consider it was cutting edge in every aspect when she was put into service. She was not like Luna class that was just a science ship build as a compromise of resources use and capability after the dominion war.
Thank you Trek Central. Great video.
Although the Enterprise-E is most likely capable of staying in service for a few decades, the odds are that it will not have survived long enough to remain in service between the events of "Star Trek: Nemesis" and "Star Trek: Picard". Remember, a lot can happen to a starship in 20 years, especially to one as famous as the Enterprise. History has shown that, canonically, 4 out of the first 6 Enterprises of the 1701 Legacy have been destroyed while technically still in service. The "E" is likely to be the 5th Enterprise to be destroyed. It's not something that I'm happy about, because I like the "E", but I expect that possibility will most likely be canon. I even thought that would happen when I first saw the trailer for "Star Trek: Nemesis" before the movie was released in theaters.
Canonically we only know of 3 USS Enterprises being destroyed in active service. The original Enterprise, Enterpise-C and the Enterprise-D. Enterprise-A which was likely a renamed sister ship to the original Enterprise would have either been decommissioned following the Kitomer Accords or had be renamed again to free up the name and was regulated to second line duty as the constitution class were being phased out for the Excelsior classes. As far as current canon is concerned the Enterprise-B had survived its intended service life and was either decommissioned or renamed following refits to free the name and registry for the Enterprise-C
We need another video on this, after what worf said in star trek picard season 3 episode 9
She's either still out there or destroyed, they wouldn't decommission a ship like that look at DS9 they had miranda and excelsior class are still in service over a 100 years
Even the K'Tinga's of the Klingon Empire have been around as long or even longer.
Dont forget the E goes for a full year in space before 001 Sector battle. The E is still flagship but likely off on an obscure mission. Worf in command.
It is my understanding that Trek "canon" is generally limited to what is seen in the different television series and the feature films. Novels and comic books are not generally considered "canon" in Trek. The rules for Star Wars is different. That is why even the events in STO are not "canon" as it is not a TV series nor a feature film and its "canon" is affected by events in the official Trek universe(s). That being said, it is still up in the air as to what has happened to the Enterprise E.
At the time in 2009, the Countdown comics were considered canon as they tied directly into the events of the first Abrams film.
Enterprise E design is the best. Equilibrium between exploration vessel and war ship.
They wouldn’t decommission a ship like the E when Miranda class were used for hundreds of years!
The Miranda class were not a mainline, first rate ship.
@@177SCmaro they outgunned the enterprise. And a main line ship means it’s a high quality vessel- why mothball that so quick but keep worse ships going for so long?
@@rhuman8672
They had almost the same firepower as the original enterprise refit. That said, I was referring to as time went on, why the constitution-class was decommissioned but not the miranda was not - they kept the old clunkers around to fill less important roles where ships like enterprise have to stay cutting edge so their service live is shorter.
The real reason was Paramount was notoriously cheap and didn't want to pay for new models so in TNG and DS9 pretty much every time an old ship was needed they reused the old model with a few tweeks.
@@177SCmaro true on all counts. Strange why they didn’t do more kit bash work really - there was so much potential just wasted.
0:03) USS Enterprise-D Class. At least 3 times the script had Stewart saying that "It's the first of its kind".
2:32) Data was also "killed" with the Borg Queen.
2:49) Riker was the ship's First LieuTenant. Third in command.
Hello. I hope to see not just Enterprise-F in season two of "Star Trek: Picard," but also a post-"Nemesis" Enterprise-E in season two "Lower Decks."
Me too
There's a really good chance to see Enterprise-E being renamed to another ship for specific mission profiles and have the Enterprise F.
well atleast we all know now that it's not Worf's fault. 😂😂😂
the Enterprise E was destroyed under the command of Captain Worf. His comment in Picard Season 3 E9. "It was not my fault"
Worf, wasn't his fault apparently
That's what he says. Who knows
My theory is that the Enterprise-E is still in service by the time of Star Trek Picard. Jack even said himself that with retrofitting, the Sovereign class ship could remain in service for years to come. I am aware that it is only a theory, but it is possible.
Honestly, if Paramount wanted their own “Luke Skywalker”, season two of Picard would be met with the USS Enterprise captained by Worf. Either Enterprise E or F, but I think it would be a small gesture that would make a lot of fans happy
I'd like to believe that it survived to a ripe old retirement age, and is actually a rather large museum piece..possibly secretly someone's retirement home. Also secretly, they're wondering the galaxy, just...looking around...in particular comfort, and security -(it's a tough, not so little ship).
We definitely need to get an update on ST:P regarding what exactly happened to our beloved NCC 1701-E. And give us our Worf!! 😂🤓👍🏽 And whats the update on Janeway, wasnt she supposed to make a cameo in Season 2 of STP? I can’t wait!! 😩😩😩😩⏰⏰⏰⏰
Dunno about Janeway in Picard, but she is supposed to have some part in the new animated series ST: Prodigy, soooooo who knows?
I wonder if they'll make Worf look like _Discovery_ Klingons. Say they lost the mold for his head ridges again.
@@BNuts So far, the sneak photos we've seen of Picard's past career, in Picard, imply it'll be regular Worf we see, if at all.
Good thing too, if so.
They had ships in the fleet 100 years old during the TNG era even modern day navel vessels have a life span plan of 35-50 years so I can't see the E being retired so early without suffering massive damage.
I blame worf
As the Flagship of Starfleet has usually always been named Enterprise, I think it's possible that the Enterprise was renamed and rechristened a decade or two after the battle with Shinzon, with the name going to a new top of the line heavy cruiser. As we've seen in may Star Trek Series, Starfleet like to keep there ships active for as long as possible, a perfect example of this is the Excelsior design and the Miranda design. The former NCC-1701-E is probably patrolling the boarder of some new federation world with maybe a third of the ships former crew compliment.
Hi, I think you may be on the right tack. We did see the defiant reborn from another ship, the name being changed to defiant.
So it is possible to move the mane to a new ship.
Old hardware still in good shape, Steve’s under another name.
Take care M.
Why did Picard leave the Enterprise in 2381? That can't have been to lead the Romulan rescue mission. The Romulan supernova only happened in 2387. Why would Picard leave to command a mission that won't even be initiated for another six years?
It was for the Romulan Relocation effort :)
- Jack
It's mentioned in Picard. I'm rewatching the series.
@@TrekCentral That's good to know. Thank you for clearing that part up. However, I am still curious as to why there was a Romulan relocation effort in place six years before they knew about the tragedy that would befall the homeworld?
Spock said, in Star Trek Online at least, that the Romulans should have had years but instead only had days to prepare for the supernova. I do not remember any mention of the Romulans knowing about the supernova years in advance in Star Trek Picard, so what was the relocation effort trying to accomplish.
And why ask Starfleet for help? I could understand the Romulans asking the Federation for help after the Homeworld is destroyed and their Fleets get scattered along with their empire, but why would they ask the Federation to help relocate their citizens before the destruction of Romulous? Why not use their own fleets of starships to escort their populations to planets in their own imperial space? I have not read the comics so if their is an answer there then I would love it if someone could tell me about it.
All and all, I'm just confused as to the timeline of events. If someone could explain things for me then I would greatly appreciate it.
Whatever it was, it was not Worf's fault.
Lol i kinda want picard to steal the enterpise kirk style
The enterprise is synonymous with Starfleet so there will always be an enterprise in service no matter what the circumstances are. It's the flagship of the federation. It just comes down to what is accepted as cannon/lore is from the writers/showrunners
Considering the destruction of the Mars utopia shipyards, the federation would likely refit many older vessels and potentially bring some out of mothball in order to have new ships for service since they don’t have the ability to make new hulls
Even if you consider the destruction of Utopia Planitia on Mars Canon, they still had plenty of other shipyards, such as San Francisco, Antares, Luna, Vulcan(40 Eridani A), etc. They could absolutely continue starship construction while Utopia Planitia was rebuilt.
What I really liked about this video is that they brought back Data in the extended canon, wish they would make that official canon.
See I’m the captain, Worf I got it
Who put Before back together?
Hopefully they'll give us a series about the enterprise f and it's crew
That would make more sense
It would be nice to see a new Dax become the Captain of the Enterprise F in Picard...
A Dax captains the _Enterprise-J_ in _STO_ .
@@BNuts yes, you can actually see that in Star Trek Enterprise where Captain Archer is brought aboard the Enterprise-J.
3:30 it is funny that someone looked at that drawing of Picard and agreed to make it the cover.
Let's keep ancient Miranda class ships in service for over a century but let's retire the more modern Enterprise E after only 25. Most logical.🙃
Welll...
It was either the Miranda or the Oberth ;-)
But srsly. that's exact the type of logic i'd expect of the SF-Admirality.
It would be cool to see, along with the NG crew, the Enterprise E return for Picard Season 3. Maybe they take the ship for one final mission. People here make good points about ships from the Miranda and Excelsior (and don't forget Oberth . . .still the coolest ships in ST!) classes were around for nearly a century, so E-E could very well still exist.
Enterprise-E was heavily damaged in the battle with Scimitar. Even with a refit and repair of the saucer section, the spaceframe most likely took extensive damage. I don't think Starfleet would choose to extend the life of the ship with further refits when they have other similar ships in production that didn't suffer such catastrophic damage. It opens up Starfleet's flagship for a whole heap of issues down the line with metal fatigue and stress fractures. Makes more sense to just repair it to the current tech level, and when it's time to refit it again, just decommission and transfer the name to a newer ship.
I have to agree here. The U.S.S. Iowa had a turret explosion that was never repaired in 1989. It continued in service for another year, before it was mothballed and decommissioned. As were all of the Iowa Class Battleships. No reason why Starfleet could not have done the same. Realizing the damage to Enterprise E was too extensive even after doing repairs to the outer sections of the saucer.
Spot on. She suffered too much damage.
I find it difficult to believe that the ship would be decommissioned unless it suffered so much damage that it was impractal to repair.
Worf did it.
Big E, defiant and Prometheus. My favorites. But Ent F & G are badass too.
Picard leaves the Ent E with his admiral promotion...and that Worf ends up captain is ridiculous. End of DS9 he goes to be Martoks diplomat but then they bring him back to Ent E for Nemesis as though he never left starfleet...again...and obviously unless Ent E has been destroyed since Picard left then it is still in service. Excelsior Miranda Oberth class ships are seen still in service during TNG DS9 and Voyager Endgame sphere battle. And Ent E was not destroyed like the books say cause obviously Data wasn’t alive to captain the ship. It’s no longer the flagship of the federation probably but it is still in service and probably used mostly as a border patrol vessel around Romulan space. Btw. Don’t get me started on Picard S1 final episode with Riker arriving with a fleet of ships all the same class....BS... that was just lazy SFX or a budget shortfall....but 200 federation ships all the same pseudo sovereign class....yeah right...play someone else’s strings cause mine aren’t budging....I smell a cheap cop out SFX scene...
U.S.S. Copy & Paste
This.
Worf was on the E because of the wedding. he served on the E during Nemesis because it was the priority at the time.
There is one theory about whether or not the Enterprise E was able to be updated and it stems from an analogy spoken by Scotty.
"The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." The simpler the technology, the easier maintenance and update usually is.
Die bessere Frage ist, warum dieser Beitrag komplett in englischer Sprache einen deutschen Titel hat..
Automatische Übersetzung von YT. Fällt mir auch schon längere Zeit auf und dürfte YT von Kanal zu Kanal freischalten. Merkt man, weil auch Bezeichnungen übersetzt wurden, die man niemals übersetzen würde: Sovereign Class -> souveräne Klasse, Speicher Alpha -> Memory Alpha, …
@@dixondell1965 Danke
My favorite ship classes in order:
Intrepid
Sovereign
Miranda
Defiant
Galaxy
Fun fact/update. Several Star Trek Online ships have shown up in the Picard season 2 trailer. SO it is quite possible that the Picard Tv show will turn to cannon what was once just part of a game and that Enterprise F is in fact an Odyssey class starship.
My expectation that the Enterprise captain being Worf rather than Data has a lot to do with the choice to make Data himself unsalvagable physically (we later learn his... pardon the terminology-data- was retrieved by Soong's physical son and was given a chance to pass on fully) in Picard (which is an expansion/respect for Brent Spiner asking for Data to be killed off so that he could age while not attempting to pretend to be ageless physically). I am really fascinated by the idea that Worf had several years in Starfleet as a captain on the Enterprise.
In the Star Trek TNG Technical Manual, it is stated that the Galaxy class spaceframe was designed to last an operational life of about 100 years, taking several major refits/upgrades during those 100 years and many more smaller ones.
If we base the spaceships in ST as a paralelism of navy ships in our real world, 100 years is a lot, but 40 years is quite common for a warship to last (lile the USS Nimitz aircraft carrier for example, or many cruisers)
Hopefully the Enterprise E is still on service, makes sense as the miranda and excelsior classes were in service for roughly 100 years I think. Plus the original Enterprise was in service from 2245 to its destruction but was refit from the ground up etc...so who knows
There was a little cutscene in Star Trek Online during battle for DS9 against old Domonion fleet which shows some Sovereign class starship destroyes just before Enterprise-F appears.
From what I have learned is that it's not how old the ships are but the millage they do before they have to put be decommissioned.