3.0 Duramax Gets PPE Deep Engine Oil Pan INSTALLED
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ค. 2024
- I installed the PPE Deep engine oil Pan on my 2023 Silverado 3.0 Duramax Diesel (LZ0)
9 quarts of engine oil over the factory 7 !
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I'm using amsoil in 3.0 dm and engine runs smooth and much quieter then acdelco oil
My truck only took 8qts with the PPE filter. I dumped 9 in and had to suck out a qt. Now its right at the full mark. Funny thing is I had the dealer do the 1st oil change and they put 7qts in it from the bottle and it was over filled exactly the same level on the dipstick.
I’m sure it improves performance. Man looks like some work to get it in there .
Run full ams on my 6.6 duramax,lexus and my camry love it
Love the channel and the work you're doing on the 3.0. I've got a 2020 and love it except for the current oil consumption issue that I am working through with the dealer. Regarding the oil pan installation and use of a lot of sealant, if any of it breaks loose inside the pan it can ultimately wind up in the pick up screen potentially restricting oil flow. Just my $.02. Keep up the great work!
You are absolutely correct ! In this case, I overused the silicone but I kept it on the backside of the surface, tough to see in the little bit of the video that shows that. This new pan has a lot of surface in front of where my silicone was. Thanks for the positive feedback on the channel, it keeps this fun !
For your oil consumption, there is a bulletin for the valve cover if it falls in a certain time period which many of the 2020 trucks do fall in that time period. Hopefully that is the issue with yours and easily corrected ! Keep me informed.
More and more of your videos I see I’m thinking of doing all these upgrades to my Tahoe I would assume it’s the same oil pan key word assume
Thanks, good info.
That was very interesting to see - How much oil do you think was left over at the angle you showed (simulating doing the oil change on a set of ramps since the plug is in the lower bottom side of the pan)? It looked to be around 1/2 quart. Its going to be interesting to see if there is any reaction/change from GM going forward into 2023/2024 models given that this is clearly a crap design (and so easy to remedy). Thanks again for another enlightening video.
In the event something does happen to the truck engine would this void the warranty since you added and aftermarket oil pan.
What RTV would you recommend? I can get the 1217H but Permatex optimum black, gray or right stuff i can get local. I can get AC Delco gray too. What did you use to clean the engine surface?
I just put my truck on tall ramps and let it drain overnight and it's been working good for me, cool video anyway
Wow, that's at another level
Get yourself an evacuator. It connects to your air compressor and it will suck all the remaining fluids out. I get mine bone dry every time, and run amsoil!
What tool did you recommend reducing all of the steps of the front diff?
Pretty sad gm build quality has gone down over the years but I love these 3.0 burn oil right out of the gate and gm says this is normal! Fantastic gm !!
I don’t think gm said that…. They could burn oil during break in much like every other engine could.
@@DemonWorks sure is a lot trucks on the facebookie saying other wise including mine but I think the PPE oil pan up grade is definitely a must in my book
@@user-ju7hy4df1qah yes, Facebook ….
@@DemonWorks meaning under the lm2/lzo forum
Amsoil filter is top of the line
Any info on what filter that is and why ?
Amsoil does not make a PF66 replacement. but it is a filter that does not have a bypass so the EA080 i think should work and i think the PPE is the same filter for a 6.7L Cummings in the Ram
Just finished bolting the pan on. Miserable job. Especially without a lift. Don’t know how you guys got the front corner bolts done. Got no skin left on my arms. Had less that 1/2 quart in the pan and some sludge/grit at the drain plug. Advice for those considering this pan. Hire it done or at least put it on a lift. And expect a PITA.
How many miles were on your oil change?
Has any of your mods voided your warranty?
The trick is to let it drip overnight or even longer if you can afford the time.
Be careful with the PPE filter as the reviews are they leak and sure enough mine did too. Had to retighten and add a quart.
100% on the drip overnight. On a customer repair at the dealer, I would then install the pan in the AM and let it sit all day for pickup at the end of the day. Time is your friend on this!
So when doing an oil change with the stock oil pan by having it on a set of ramps, do you think it will drain all the way out? If not is there a way to get all the old oil out? I was thinking about running the PPE filter but I went with a wix and was running amsoil.
I don't think it will help at all, based on the design of that drain plug / adapter piece. That's where I did the portion of pouring the oil in the pan to show that an angle won't help. Now that I have seen this, if I did not have this pan on, I would let the oil drain completely then add half a quart of oil into the system and that will help flush out some of that left over junk in there. Or you can just continue doing a regular oil change, i'm sure it will be fine. i just like the idea of getting as much old oil out as possible.
Is that a metal oil sump pickup tube?
Question: Are any longer oil pickup sump tubes available for the 3.0L GM diesel?
Plastic, no others available.
To bad for warranty…I would do this in a heartbeat beat
I just did one, on my 2020 1500, just a heads up I had a hell of time with the very front passenger side pan bolts, the steering rack and pinion is right in the way
yeah, those can be tough for sure.
Could you just use a new OEM oil filter with the new ppe oil pan or do you have to use ppe filter all the time?
oem still fits
What about oil extraction?
Is the engine/pan designed to be oil extractor friendly?
Maybe that would get more than the drain plug allows.
Yeah, a hook on a suction device or something would take care of the concern.
@@DemonWorks I’m thinking the traditional extraction method through the oil dipstick!
I have found several other makes have begun specifically designing the dipstick tubes and oil pans to work ideally in this method.
Heck Mercedes and BMW now exclusively call for oil extraction. And the dipstick tube actually goes to a mini sump in the pan. They don’t want lube techs popping drain bolts out at all.
@@1967friend ah, yeah I do not seeing that work in this case. The dipstick tube is off to the side and won’t go to the lowest part of the oil pan.
When your mechanic changes the oil on the factory oil pan knowing there is left over oil in the pan, can they put a device in through the oil plug hole to suck the remaining oil out? To get a complete drain?
Sorry if that is a dumb question.
If they have a suction tool, yes.
I have a 2022 3.0, does my pan have the same design flaw? That’s too much used oil left for my liking. Also, have you heard of Schaeffers oil? I was told it’s a premium oil for diesels with 20k mile change intervals. Would like ur opinion on it.
yes, all 3.0 diesels have this pan design. I HIGHLY recommend you stay away from extended intervals. These timing chains will be in the area of 40 hours of labor to do. Dirty oil accelerates timing chain wear. Yes, the oil may be "good" but there is still contaminants that get in there and don't leave until the oil and filter get replaced. I do 5k intervals.
What kind of engineers would do that?
I've got 104k on my 2022 3.0.
Potentially dumb question (looking at getting my first new truck soon!). Does changing the pan void the factory warranty?
not a dumb question, very common one actually. Any modification could cause a warranty issue. It will vary on what the issue is and what the cause was.
I would of had that oil sent out to get tested blackstone labs. Have your self covered for Warranty.
I intended to have it tested but then after more thinking about it, what would it do for me? I can’t go request an engine replacement due to some lab testing. And if it fails in the future, how would that blackstone test offer me any protection?
Have you noticed any different on the oil life, pressure & temperature
Oil life is based off ecm programming. pressure and temp unchanged, it's just an additional oil capacity. One could elect to go longer intervals since there is more oil in there. I won't though, I just like the added peace of mind.
@@DemonWorks thanks for the info, like your channel keep up the good content 💪👍👍
@@henryvasquez8629 thank you ! Appreciate that !
Will the dealer do the oil pan swap if I bring it to them?
That’s up to them, but they should.
Not to self park the front wheels up 6inches when Doing oil change. Thx
won't help, that's why I showed the crazy angle of the oil pan and pouring oil in it. It also won't hurt.
How much time did this take start to finish?
About 4 hours but can be done in less, I suggest allowing it to take longer. I had the pan off within 30 minutes. Back together in about 45 but the additional time comes from letting it sit and drip to minimize the risk of contaminating the seal. And then allowing time for the silicone to cure.
Can we use that ppe filter with stock oil pan?
Great question ! Yes, you can.
Did you say there were 7k miles on the truck when you did this? Was it the first oil change?
first oil change was at 3000 miles, if I remember correctly.
My friendly neighborhood shop is telling me this is an 8-hour job by the estimator. What kind of actual time did it take you to complete the change?
7.3 is what I show from Alldata. I do mine different from others, will pull apart the night before then let it drip over night. The next am I will install the pan and let it sit all day to dry. This takes up a hoist for a lot of time that I could be making money using it. But, I feel it's doing the job right so I do not have a leak later on that was caused by me rushing the job or getting oil in between the sealant and the upper pan/lower crankscase.
There is an additional 2 quarts for the new oil pan, I am wondering what advantage you get when the oil pick up is not extended for the deeper pan?
You gain the 2 extra qts as you said and the oil pump pickup draws in the same location as stock.
Is this oil pan from an LZ0?
Oil pan fits both the LM2 and LZ0, this was a LZ0 in the video.
Wow that is a lot of residual. Seems like a poor design on GM’s part. Great video man!
Can’t you just suck up remaining oil through dipstick
Would be very difficult to be sure you got to the last remaining spot, but absolutely you could, with the proper tooling
I question you prefilling the oil filter as the manufacturer and most companies don’t recommend it.
Are you implying it’s bad to fill the oil filter with oil? There is zero documentation out there stating not to / manufacturers do not recommend it.
Let’s discuss the oil system. The oil pump picks up oil from the pan, through the pump then immediately to the filter then to the engine. If the filter is not prefilled, you have an amount of time with zero oil flow into the engine as the filter is waiting to be filled from the oil pump. Pre filling the filter then installing eliminates that zero oil time.
@@DemonWorks for instance, Honda has many models that the oil filter is on top of the engine. Are you pre filling those as well? How does that work, you do it quick and only dump some oil on the engine? I’m not trolling, I’m trying to help educate, which is what you claim your channel is for.
@@DemonWorks the oil filter is just that, a filter. One side catches contaminants. If you fill the oil filter and install, one side has not been filtered, and you will pump that unfiltered oil directly into the engine. This is why manufacturers do not recommend it.
@@dillydave13 I only prefill oil filters that can hold oil during install.
@@DemonWorks and I’m stating it’s not only not needed, it’s also not recommended by many manufacturers. If I were trolling and not educating, I’d bring up the quality of work you did while replacing the oil pan.
What a crap design on that stock pan. Really. When you put on a deeper pan, aren't you supposed to put a longer pickup to reach the bottom? What am I missing here? Noticed the same thing for the tranny filter on the deeper pan for it too.
It could be beneficial but not a requirement. It’s still pulling fluid from the pan, just not at the lowest point. Gain of additional fluid is there and it is getting mixed around since oil is being returned. I hear ya though.
The PPE pan is deeper just at the rear drain area, but wider and similar depth at the oil pick up tube area as the factory pan so therefore a deeper pick up wouldn’t work.
The most important thing with any larger capacity, engine or transmission pan, is an engine or transmission has significantly more oil to work with to help lubricate and protect, vital internal components
@@MarkSmith-cz3by you are correct, good catch !
All that disassembly for 2 more quarts is NOT worth it
glad I showed you, then. I enjoy having it.
@@DemonWorks lol
if you've changed your own oil on one of these trucks, the point is that the new oil isn't even clean when you go to check the level of it after adding 7 quarts. it leaves to much crap in the bottom after draining it to keep it clean. it has very little to do with the 2 extra quarts, though this helps as well.
Very poor design by GM. My question is if you cannot properly drain the contaminates out of the oil pan is GM going to pay for the engine when it fails due to debris in the oil?
If you have a failure within the 5year / 100,0000 mile warranty.
@@DemonWorks I guess after that we're on our own. Shame on the design team for this. Not even a magnetic plug!
The ball peen to the oil pan… 😳
Tell me you have never removed a 1 time use oil pan without telling me you’ve never removed one… the hammer helps dislodge the seal, if you go in there just prying, you will break something.
@@DemonWorks Oh man, you dented the oil pan you won't be reusing. The outrage!
0W-20 on a Diesel? These manufacturers are getting out of hand. Bull $h1t that protects your engine sufficiently.... BS. All about small slivers of fuel economy increases...
super tight bearing clearances.
and as long as it lasts 5 yrs /100k GM dont care.