@@morthomer5804 I know that's true. But my local gm dealer here in southern oregon sells most of their diesels to other dealers in....SOCAL !!! When they get a diesel in stock, it doesn't last long on the lot because they all go to cally. Weird but true. When I bought my 2022 diesel Z71 Colorado last year, my salesman got a call from a dealer in socal, and he put him on speaker phone so I could hear him. He tried to talk my salesman out of selling the truck to me, at $3k under msrp. I love my little diesel truck...
I get 25-26mpg on my 3.0 Duramax on regular commuting. Long highway drives I’ve gotten as high as 33.6mpg when keeping it below 65mph. Great engine. Full tank usually gets me about 550-560 miles. I’m happy with the power train.
Amazing~ I'm really sold on this diesel. I've had a Crown Victoria for 10 years that gets 19mpg combined. I had a 1980 VW Rabbit 1.6 liter with 88hp in college that got 25mpg combined. The good ol days of engines is 2023.
Doesn’t matter you still are not money ahead when you factor the extra cost for the diesel engine the extra cost for diesel fuel the extra cost for DEF the extra cost in oil changes no thanks I’ll gladly stick with the 5.3
My friend and I just took a trip and his Z71 Diesel and it got over 30 mpg regularly. That thing got better fuel mileage towing a car on a car hauling trailer than my Jeep does by itself:-) great review! Side note, I would never run 50 psi on the rear tires of an empty half ton. It reduces your contact patch on the road and crowns the tire so you prematurely wear the center of the tire and it rides much harder. I gladly pay the 0.001(whatever) MPG penalty for a smoother ride and better tire wear
Drove 5.3 since 03. Bought a 3.0 duramax in 21. Completely impressed in all aspects. Max torque is achieved at low rpms and at cruising speeds and fuel mileage is beyond expectations for a full size half ton. Fun to drive
I live in Utah where he filmed this. I pull cars and boats all over with my 5.3L Silverado with 4.10's. If I'm going up Parley's Summit on I-80 coming out of SLC up to Park City I will have to run it in 2nd gear at high RPM but it gets it done. Anywhere else I have no problems running 75 mph with traffic. Car trailer and car totals 7000 lb and my boat and trailer are around 3500 lbs. If I pulled anything heavier like a huge camper, I'd go with a 2500 or 3500 truck. A turbo diesel would be nice but a gas V8 can pull just fine, you just can't be scared to rev it. If you think you're going to pull 7000 lbs up a steep mountain at 70 mph at 2000 RPM in a gas engine you're misinformed. I pull my boat cross country in the summers.
@@itsshadowuser9536 Not exactly... My F150 averages 17mpg, my GMC AT4 with the 3.0 duramax averages 27.5 MPG. Diesel in my area is about 35 to 40 cents per gallon more or 12% to 13% more. I am getting 38% more miles per gallon.
I have a 2023 GMC Sierra AT4 with the LZ0 and I love it. Fast ignition and great MPG in the first 500 miles with the best drive being over 25mpg and I have not yet broken out on a long highway drive. I think the power is more than sufficient and well worth it given the MPG. By the way, requiring seat belts to shift into gear CAN BE TURNED OFF...but it's buried deep in the menus. :-) lol
I have owned both of these and driven all the options in every truck in this segment, and the 3.0 Duramax 10sp combo is the best of them all imo. The linear powerband just matches this size truck perfectly.
All these people giving this junk good review's just wait till the timing belt break's pure garbage,why Don't they use timing gears?? Cause they never break that's why,my Cummins diesel is 29 years old 330 thousand miles,23 miles to the gallon & purrs like a kitten,this new junk won't last near as long without costly breakdown & maintenance I promise
I own a 2021 crewcab 4x4 rst 3.0... I commute 700 miles per week. I fill up once & average 32-34 mpg. I get around 25-26 around town. Low end torque & towing is amazing. I've had no mechanical issues & love my purchase... planning on buying a Tahoe for my wife with the 3.0....
I have the 3.0 diesel in my 2022 Sierra AT4 (refreshed). I average between 26-30mpg. My best 50 mile is 33.7 mpg!!! I originally order the 6.2 but last summer they did not have enough 6.2s in stock, so I changed to the 3.0 diesel; best decision!!
I have a 2020 3.0 and love it. It gets 25 mpg daily and up to 36 mpg on the highway. Another huge benefit is towing where I consistently get 19 mpg towing a 4500 lb boat. It doesn't really burn through DEF unless you are towing so, while I think it is an annoying thing to add, the cost isn't that high. The oil changes are simple and reasonably cheap doing them myself. It has amazing torque too.
@@kyleperry3748for me on my 21, it's about 80 bones for 7 qt dexos d and a filter....if u drive average and no towing oil change will go approx 6-7000 miles...the manual states 7500 but I change it just a but earlier
That diesel is impressive. I would like to see a long term overall cost comparison because fuel mileage isn't the whole story. The initial cost is higher plus higher maintenance and fuel prices of diesel over time compared to gas.
Purchased a 4wd GMC Elevation a few months ago with 59000 miles....Couldn't be happier so far. I love the low end torque.. barely push the pedal and it pulls hard. Max torque at 1500 rpms. I didn't want to have to rev the engine up to get on the highway. I've watched many TH-cam videos of 1320 ft 3.0 vs 6.2. The gas always has to catch the 3.0. as it initially out accelerates the gas engine. Im not worried about speeds over 75 mph so I'll stick with the diesel. Also, there are tunes and after-market turbos to bring up hp and torque significantly for the diesel. I'm averaging 27 mpg and getting over 32 on the highway in a full size 4wd pickup. Thats insane.
If I was buying a new Silverado I'd definitely be getting a diesel. I drive a 2018 diesel Equinox AWD and I love it. In city I average about 35 mpg and on the highway about 50 mpg. You can't even approach that with a gas engine.
I have a 1st gen LM2 1500 Duramax Silverado with 30k before a 5.3 Sierra and the only thing that makes this a debate is the spike in diesel prices… pros to the diesel are fuel efficiency, torque, towing, cleaner emissions, typically longevity over gas engines, GM built engine from the ground up with 2019 model release, I think one the the most underrated pros is also the uniqueness of having a 1500 diesel. I remember pulling up to my uncles and blowing his mind bc he never thought in a million years they were going to bring back 1500 diesels. Cons are DEF, oil belt maintenance @ 150k, repair cost down the road, these diesels aren’t drag racers by any means but are peppy nevertheless. All things considered diesel still takes the win IMO.
Have had great luck over 20 years of 5.3s including the 21 LT Trailboss I'm currently driving. I agree the diesel is a little gem but staying V8 for life and will be in a 6.6 HD next year
I has a 2017 Silverado 5.3 for a couple years. Mpg was ok. Towing my 4000 lb boat was an issue. It would do it but it didn't like it. And it drank gas! Traded it in on a 2021 Silverado with a 3 liter Duramax. Both trucks were identical LTZ , 4 Wheel drive etc. Color and engine were the only difference. I love this truck! It tows my boat with no issues. Mpg does go down but still beats the 5.3 by a long shot! I can fill up in GA and drive to my mother's house in PA and have fuel left. Not much fuel but it was still there. My best mpg was a couple months ago to the Outer Banks ,NC. I had a best of 42.6 . I have a picture to prove it. Now yes fuel is about $1 more a gallon over gas and you still have DEF to fool with once or twice a year. I fill this bad boy up about once a month of course I am retired and don't drive the work commute everyday. But if I did I would still get it . Hell $995 option and great towing with spectacular mileage. Heck of a deal.
In my area of Texas, fuel prices have turned in favor of Diesel - that was not the case just a couple of weeks ago. Comparing fuel cost only for the 5.3L (regular), 6.2L (premium), 3.0L Diesel for a 4x4 Tahoe, diesel is about $550-$600 a year lower if you drive 12K miles. Add in $100 extra for the higher cost of 2 oil changes, DEF and you are still about $300+ lower in annual fuel, oil, and DEF cost. I love the Diesel for its towing capability while giving much better mpg. Still seeing issues with 5.3L and 6.2L lifters and push rods - which will not be corrected ever, given GM is now investing in the new generation small block v8.
I am in East TX and I often see diesel cheaper than gas (although I have not checked lately). I am considering the 3.0 Duramax or the Ford Powerboost. I also like the new Colorado/Canyon though....
These figures are so long as diesel is cheaper. Over the next few years diesel will be going up at a rate higher than gasoline. So basically over the years, it's a wash as far as dollars per mile
@@charliemagoo7943 Actually its based on Diesel being $0.30 more per gallon over premium for 6.2L and at 12K miles per year driven with 15 mpg for 6.2L and 20 mpg for diesel.
Everyone talks about the added MPG with the diesel and how it's saving them money, but the OVERALL operating cost is significantly higher with the diesel compared to the 5.3 gasser making the added MPG of the diesel a complete wash. The main thing is (in my area) diesel fuel cost more than $1.00 per gal more than gas. That being said, the diesel costs roughly $40.00 more to fill up than the 5.3. If you really crunch the numbers, that puts the diesel behind the gasser right there for operating costs per mile even though the diesel does actually get better mpg. Then add in def fluid and all the other maintenance costs that are much higher for the diesel compared to the 5.3, and it's easy to see the 5.3 is easily the cheaper way to go.
Wrong. I pay .20 cents additional for diesal . The last 5.3 I had a few years ago would not get any where close to 20mpg its average was 14-15 MPG and forget towing snything you would be in the single digits. as far as Maintenance thats not true about the diesal see from my previous post. The fuel filters do not need replacing very often,I take mine to the dealer for all service work and after three oil changes the fuel filter life is still at 53% at 17,000 Miles. The DEF consumption is another Non issue at in 17,000 miles i have used 4- 2.5 gallons of DEF in this truck ,so in other words it uses one bottle of DEF per 4500 miles and Finally i average 27-30 MPG around town and always get 34 or better on the interstate. Towing wise i usually get around 24 MPG or a hair better towing a 16' trailor at around 5000 pounds. There is not a gas Motor that can touch it mileage or power wise. Add in the Lifter problems on the 5.3 and 6.2 (just do a search) the gas motors are junk and have been for a while I'll stick to the Diesal motor.
@brucemoorejr3115 If that's the case, which I know it isn't and is a downright lie, then you've found the cheapest diesel fuel in the entire United States!
@brucemoorejr3115 You e got a world record breaking diesel then if what you say is true, which I know for a fact it isn't. But that's fine, you stick to your made-up story and numbers.
@@gunnerneikoify all you have to do is do a little research from actual owners of this engine and you will tell they are getting the same or better results as I am. Evidently your triggered very easily when I was just pointing out several points on the 3.0 motor. I originally was going to buy the 5.3 But the dealer was sold out of them. He asked if I would be interested in a diesal I said no. He convinced me to take it for a test drive and was sold on the power curve. Best decision I ever made. Sorry to have upset your liberal mindset with facts. Maybe you change your name to Karen.
2024 LTZ, crew cab, 3.0 Duramax, no regrets, MPG avg is 25-27, I have gotten 30-33 on highway, it is insane, no modifications all stock. Best half ton pick up out there. This is my third Silverado in 30 years.
I have a 2022 Diesel Escalade 3.0 Sport Platinum 4x4. I simply LOVE IT!!! Before that I had several gassers. The 3.0 is insanely reliable and has incredible power mates with the 10 speed transmission. GM blew it out of the park with the 3.0 and 10 speed combo. The low end grunt is insane. I grew to love it so much that I purchased a 2022 GMC Sierra Denali Ultimate 4x4 for myself and gave the Escalade to my wife. We both get over 32+ on the Hwy and approx 26 average city/Hwy. I can’t explain how much I love this engine. Just test drive one please. You will know what I’m talking about. I have 27K miles in my Escalade with only one issue. A crack in the intake manifold. It was repaired in a day at the dealer and it’s been fine ever since. Service engine light was the only issue we noticed. The Sierra has approx 10k miles. Zero problems. Top end is a little light. But the trade off in economy and low end grunt makes the Diesel the only way to go. You would have to be crazy to buy the gasser. I’m sorry but it’s true. My $0.02
Totally agree with your analysis. I have only had my 23 Silverado LT Duramax for a week so definitely haven't had enough driving time to be an expert far from it. That said I can't really put a finger on it other than it just drives better than my 2 previous 5.3 V8's. Where I live it was -31 on the weekend, with the block heater plugged in for 4 hours I died right up, rough idle for a few minutes then smooth. Today I pulled a 6 x 10 trailer with about 30 bales of hay, not a heavy load but it drove like I wasn't even pulling a trailer. Best of all I have gone about 170 kms and my range still says over 600 kms. That's with winter blend diesel, and in auto and a bit of idling. When my sales guy went over everything it sat idling for maybe 30 min plus a bit on the weekend. Probably the best powertrain I have ever driven.
Thanks. I switched from a 5.3 Denali to an EcoDiesel a year ago. I couldn't find a 3.0 Duramax I could afford so I went with the Ram. My experience with the mileage is exactly as JB reports. Diesel's get their best milage when they are warm and cruising. I'm not convinced it does better when running errands in the winter. The wild card is the price of diesel. When I made my switch I did a deep dive and determined that as long as diesel is no more than $0.60 greater in price than regular unleaded I'm coming out ahead compared to the 5.3. Problem is, here in the PNW diesel is as much as $1.20 more :(
I recently drove an AT4 with the 3.0 and a High Country with the 6.2. They were like night and day, not the trucks but the engines. The diesel was great 0-20 but passing and acceleration from 40+ was like driving an old 4 cylinder car. The 6.2 you could confidently pass and didn’t need to floor it to gain speed, half throttle seemed to be enough to accelerate. I really wanted to love the diesel but after driving the 6.2 just couldn’t. An AT4 with the 6.2 is where it’s at.
I got a 3.0 duramax Sierra. Amazing set up. Got the 3.73 max trailer tow package. Only 2200 miles so far. Tracing on fuelly I am averaging 28.0 MPG. Insane. And it drives so smoothly. Amazing!
When you shifted to manual from drive, it showed what gear you were in at the bottom of the tach. It changed from D to L 10. I believe the 10 was your gear.
I recently got an AT4 with the 3.0. I’ve taken it to Austin which is about a 5 hour drive and it gives me 28-30 MPG. I love it but yes like some of the comments on here the only downside is that it is a bit slower when passing. Other than that I love it.
Ive got a ‘21 GMC Sierra 1500 3.0 Denali and I love the truck. Maintenance cost is higher but 24+ MPG leaves no room for complaint when you’re talking a full size truck.
I have a 2023 GMC SLT 3.0 I went from Baton Rouge La to Atlanta and I got 38.2 mpg. That’s over 600 miles to a full tank. I was able to make the trip off of one fill up and still had about 150 miles to empty once I arrived. I freaking love it! 💪🏾
I know this isn't apples to apples but I currently have a 2021 2.8 diesel Canyon AT4 with the off-road performance package(skid plates, etc.). With the additional weight, I still get 30 mpg at 75 mph. I've put a little over 5,000 miles on it in the past month with near daily use and it has been fantastic for my use. I think that points to the main issue though, most people don't touch that kind of daily mileage and they never see the benefits of having a diesel which is why all of these companies are killing diesel options in non-commercial vehicles.
Great video with good information! I have the 3.0 duramax in a GMC Sierra 1500 AT4. It gets incredible fuel mileage, and I love the torque curve. A blast to drive.
I’ve had several diesel 1/2 tons. Love em. However the fuel price difference between gas and diesel comes into play which just about eliminates the mileage savings. Then you add the DEF and a more expensive oil change and there’s no cost savings to drive a diesel. Once they are off warranty and you have some engine problems the diesel will cost you much more than gas. I now drive gas engine pickups.
I think it's about how often you drive. I just priced DEF fluid, about $50 for 5 gallons here, oil and filter probably close to $90-$100. I,myself, average about 6500 miles a year driving so 1 oil change a year. Things can change but for now that's where I'm at. Diesel here is .20-.30 more than gas. My 2018 5.3 sees 15 city and 20 highway. If I were to get a new truck I'd want the 3.0 because I spend way more now at the gas station than I do with oil changes and maintenance. My last oil change was $80 from my local shop.
@Kanakid, You are correct. Just watched this video on 11/28/23 and the price of gas in Dallas,TX is 2.57/gal, diesel is $3.33/gal. So doing the math with his results are as follows: Gas - $2.57÷18.7mpg=13.7 cents/mile Diesel -$3.33÷24.3mpg=13.7 cents/mile So the diesel does deliver better fuel mileage, 5.6 mpg more than gas, a 30% increase. But the cost of diesel fuel negates the advantage.
In settings you can turn off the buckle seatbelt to drive. It will show you what gear you're in with manual mode but I believe it won't shift into the top 2 gears. I traded my 5.3 gas for the 3.0L diesel. I love the diesel. Need to keep it at or below 70 for best mileage. Tows our 29' camper with ease
As someone who works for Chevrolet myself I must say that LZO refresh on the 2023 1500 is nice that 3.0 is amazing and I love bragging to my customers about it what it can do and then having them drive it. especially when you’ve got 305 hp and that lovely 495lb of torque. The 3.0 is a little baby monster out of the factory I can only imagine what people will be able to-get out of this motor in the future with tuning
2006 Silverado with the 5.3 (323 C.I) this is before they shut off cylinders for gas mileage (Thank God). I get 20 mpg highway including climbing and descending a grade in both directions. I get about 18.5 mpg for my usual driving which is a highway city mix. I'm a very gas mileage-oriented driver is so far as soft acceleration and getting off the throttle very early for obvious full stops, 70mph is my normal cruising speed however. I'm happy with this but it was nice/interesting to see the diesel exceed my mpg by quite a-lot. Great informative video! Thumbs up!
Nice review. If I ever went back to a 1500 I would 1000% without question get the 3.0 diesel even with fuel prices what they are. And I’d just take my chances with the emissions nonsense. I’m not touching a DFM engine, and both the 5.3 and 6.2 are that. The fact that you can get full size car mpg with a full size 4WD truck is just incredible. And the Trail Boss is the worst example for fuel mileage because of the 2” lift. They are epa rated less than a non Trail Boss.
I have a 3.0 diesel Chevy Silverado, and I get 23 mpg to 25 mpg on short trips, and 30 mpg to 35 mpg on a trip. Even if we are going 75 mph. I would highly recommend one of these trucks to anyone.
I had a 2022 Silverado LT with the 3.0 Duramax and I was averaging 34-36 mpg in TX. It was a great truck, I’m getting a Tahoe with that motor. It’s a great motor.
IMO This new LZO duramax is the best 1/2 ton engine you can get for torque, fuel mileage towing and not towing out of any of the manufacturers. It might not have the most horsepower but with all the torque down low it feels like it has a lot more then it does.
I have a 2021 Silverado 1500 LT with 3.0 Duramax. 35k miles and zero issues. She's my daily driver and I tow a 5000+ lb trailer quite often. I average about 22 mpg in city Short trip traffic , 15 to 18 mpg towing overall, maybe 20 with flat land and tail wind. I average 32 on the highway at 65-70 speeds. I live in Chicago area. I bought the truck in Missouri. When purchased brand new I drove home keeping under 55 mph on the highway. I got 43.8 mpg. What can I say. I love this engine and power train. Get one!
I was lucky to pick up a 2020 Sierra SLT 5.3 almost 1 year ago with 2,600 miles. A trip back from Myrtle Beach back to MA last September I had a best 50 mile range of 30.3 and trip average was 25.7mpg.
2 things - the service bulletin that cjrod9443 mentioned states that normal oil consumption is 1quart/1000 miles while working the engine(towing) and 1 quart/2000 miles while being light footed. That is terrible in my book. Second thing - its cool to see those MPG numbers, 30% better MPG with diesel, but the diesel also costs at least 30% more per gallon in my area so cost/mile is a wash for fuel. Now add cost of oil consumed and DEF costs and gas is really a cheaper alternative.
My truck has over 1100 miles on it and has not used any oil. Those numbers are typical of most manufacturers. It doesn’t mean the truck will use that much oil mine hasn’t and I have been keeping tabs on it since day one.
My 21 Sierra with the 3.0 has 12,600 miles and has spent 6 weeks in the shop in 4k miles. 6 different problems and all are emissions. When the lease is up they get it back and I’ll get the 2023 7.3 Godzilla or the 2024 6.6 gas Sierra with the 10 speed.
That sucks, I believe they made updates to some of the emissions crap for 23 but who knows… gas engine will win because epa doesn’t want you to own them…
I have a 2023 GMC sierra elevation X31 3.0 Duramax. Crew cab with 6.5' box. Also have a contractors cap on top. We go by km here in Canada so from max tank I got 957km when the gas light came on. (That's 590 miles) I love this Truck and it has a ton of torque, feels like a V8 but super fuel efficient.
In my 2019 5.3 I was getting 19-20 mpg pretty consistently on the highway, 21 mpg if I babied it. My 2020 with the 3.0 got 29+ mpg on the highway. Where the diesel really shined was towing. Pulling my boat (20' bay boat) was effortless with the 3.0 and still managed to get 17-18 mpg. I drive a 2500 now but I wouldn't hesitate to get another 3.0 duramax.
Great video. Thanks. My calculations suggest that the fuel cost driver between the 3.0, 5.3, and the 6.2 is the price of fuel. Diesel and premium running $0.80 and $1.00 per gallon more than regular means the 5.3 wins the fuel cost comparison. About ties the 3.0 and beats the 6.2. That is why my new Silverado has the 5.3. After three 6.2s it is back to the old reliable 5.3.
@@EFFTrudeau-001 Canada is a big place. Diesel is not cheaper everywhere in Canada. Diesel has been more expensive than gas for 2-3 years in Southern Ontario.
@davidbarclay4968 Diesel up in Northern/Mid ontario has been cheaper for over a year up until the Carbon tax kicked in. Since then has been 10-17 cents more liter. Glad I settled on the 2023 Ram Sport
I love my 22 refresh trail boss 3.0 duramax, 7000 miles and counting, average 21/23 mpg city. 24/31 highway mpg. It tows great with my 3000pound trailer. You don’t feel it. It tows decent with my 7500pound trailer. 1-2000 rpm’s is impressive with all that weight, 3-6000 rpm’s the truck struggles the same as a 5.3 motor. Would recommend!!!!
16.5 mpg with the 5.3 seems low. I can get 22-25 mpg with my 2015 5.3 unless I am pulling the camper, then it drops to 10. Have not had any issues with the AFM. I think oil changes are one of the keys to AFM reliability.
I've not had any issues with GM power trains. Routine maintenance is severely degraded these days and it's not uncommon for owners to skip an oil change or two and no one ever admits they fail with maintenance.
My only wish is you’d do hard numbers like TFL does. Reset the trip before the trip and calculate numbers at the pump when you finish refilling after the trip. GM is notorious for over estimating their mpg. My wife’s Yukon XL consistently shows 18.5-19 on her 5.3, but only gets 16.5-17 hard calculated, almost always. Big difference
I have a 2023 GMC Denali 3.0 Duramax and im getting 25 mpg average mix driving and ive gotten a best 31 mpg on pure hwy driving. I love this truck its been awesome in everry respect.
I would not pay the premium of fuel cost, maintainance, and upfront cost for the 3.0. it's not worth it. I'd either stick with the base 2.7L (I'd have to test drive it first) or stick with the tried and tested 5.3.
Pull a boat with the 3.0 was getting 25 miles to the gallon ... took the boat off was getting 33mpg technician told me it will hit 38 mpg when the engine breaks in ... love my truck . best money on a vehicle I ever .. fun to drive
I have gotten as high as 38 Mpg over a 50-mile trip in my 2020 3.0. Love this truck! Waco TX to Durango Colorado only took a little over 1 tank of fuel.
I have a 2023 with the 3.0 duramax it has a 24 gallon fuel tank and gets average 630 miles per tank my 2018 with the 5.3 has a 26 gallon tank and average about 480 miles per tank driving the exact route. Diesel is averaging around 0.40 cents per gallon more than regular unleaded and oil changes are about the same price on both. Even with having to put Def fluid in it im still saving money.
Great video. I like diesel. I have been looking at the 3.0 Duramax. The only thing that gives me pause is the wet Kevlar reinforced oil pump belt. Depending on year that is rated to 150k - 200k miles (or equivalent hours). That belt needs to be replaced at that service interval and that means removing trans, or a visit to dealership or shop for a costly maintenance. To be fair though, any engine is going to need costly service at some point. The only reason I don't have a diesel yet is that I believed the maintenance would be more than gas. However, the efficiency difference between gas and diesel probably makes up for that.
Price per mile it's very similar (using the national fuel cost average, so YMMV). Using both of those figures, the gasser would cost about $18.28 per 100 miles while the babymax costs about $18.85 to go the same distance.
@@djp1234 what area? CA average for regular is $4.44 and for diesel is $5.65. Where I used to live near the Bay Area still shows $4.52 for regular and $5.89 for diesel.
@@ALMX5DP San Diego. I just checked the prices again. Looks like right now Diesel is 50 cents more than premium. That's unusually high. I've been living here for 5 years and the price of Diesel has always fluctuated between regular and premium gas.
My best friend works for a huge Chevy dealer and told me that the 3.0 Duramax is maybe the worst engine in Chevy's entire lineup. He said many of the internal parts are made very cheap, leading to catasrophic failure.
I’ve thought about the 3.0 duramax vs 6.2 vortec. Waited for the new generation to come out. I’ll stick with the 6.2. Reasons are the diesel engine is backwards which means a lot of headaches. Belts, front main seal, etc. Because of the design to fit other models the engine out process costs alot more money because of extra work. Diesels aren’t bad. But, def fluid, more oil, more maintenance costs of fuel system vs gas….
Get a 6.6 gasser instead, or get a super low miles southern 90s-06 chevy. This new shit is so junk. Even doing the cabin air filter you can tell these tricks are junk
Buy the 2.7 gas turbo. I have a 21 Silverado 4x4 regular cab long bed. Truck has 45,000 miles on it. The lifetime average mpg is 21.5. Best gas mileage was 27mpg. This was rural driving around 55mph. I'm in NYS where are maximum speeds are 70mph. If you're in a place with higher speed limits the gas mileage drops off. It gets 17mpg at 80mph. It's a great driving truck. I've had several loads at and above 2,000lbs. There was no issue with power and fuel economy was still between 19-21mpg. I have a couple of older 5.3's with the DOD. The 2.7 seems more powerful and certainly uses less fuel.
5.3 will do way more work than people realize. Occasionally, when I’ve already got a trailer hooked to my 3/4 ton, I use my 5.3 Sierra to pull 12,000 (trailer + load) just using it locally. Mostly flat ground but with some steep but short grades to pull. 5.3 pulls it fine, no drama at all. I end up more worried about stopping than pulling.
"I had a 22' 3.0 1500 and loved it. Got 27mpg on the Hwy. Lifted it and hated it but still got 18mpg. Ended up with a Traill boss 5.3 now. Third 5.3 I have had and no complaints. Doesn't get as good gas mileage though but I also don't have to worry about finding diesel or the DEF. But I wouldn't mind another diesel.
The 5.3 doesn’t have low end torque it really has to scream pulling anything over 5000lbs. I have one both my boys drove through high school and the youngest drove it until he was almost 23. It is a great motor it just doesn’t cut it pulling a trailer. Great truck it has never had anything major done to it after 2 boys driving it to the levy and back.
If you could get the 5.3 with the 3.73 rear end it’s a different truck but they did away with it for better mpg and only by 2 mpg at best. I just sold a 2016 with that set up. It pulled my G23 great
@@Steve-kx6hd I have a 2015 Sierra with the 5.3 and Max Trailering Package so I have the 3.73 and 6 speed with the bigger rear end differential plus all the options that come with the NHT build code. Pull a 7600 pound TT and it performs great. I had a 2000 Sierra 5.3 with the 3.73 and pulling the same trailer I was pushing the older truck so that's why I upgraded and its day and night difference from the 2000. I'm very happy with my 15 Sierra. Maybe my next truck 5-10 years down the road will be a 2500 D-Max.
I have 28k on my 2021 GMC 3.0. I lose about half a quart at 4000 miles. Which i don't think its to bad with 0-20 motor oil.. I seen that video and what he doesn't tell you is that GM has thst bulletin for all their engine. No one I know that have the GM 3.0 have oil consumption problems. We all really like our trucks.
@@CT-go5ii I had a 21 Silverado 3.0 Duramax . I traded it in for an ecodiesel then I traded that in for a Silverado 2500 Duramax and I can tell you not everyone who owns these trucks is happy with them.
I am definitely debating the 3.0. I have a short commute of 4 miles, but we do take 300 mile trips about once or twice a month. My only hesitation is the issue with short commute and the emission system.
Me and coworkers son just turned our 3.0 duramax in for lemon law, emissions 4 times, hard cranking noises 5 times, broken injectors 1 time, main wiring harnesses 2 times, and transmission problems 2 times, same on both trucks and they charged us for mileage which my mileage just hit 18k and he just hit 5k miles and is going back 🤷🏽♂️ great gas mileage and nice looking truck but terribly built truck
@@ralphpauldesantiago5951 That is very disheartening about the 3.0, I was looking forward to the mpg. Was yours the LM2 or the LZ0? What did you guys replace the 3.0 with?
@@MrG8Rsir I believe it was the lm2, the truck was a 2021 and I know that it the motor was updated but at the same time the service writer was telling me that it’s still too early for those trucks to have been out, I think they are still ironing out all the kinks and with the new and ( supposed) improved engine🤷🏽♂️ the exact repair, I’m not sure because after being at the dealership for the 8th just told them to fix while I was getting the claim rolling for the buy back, just went back to ford, I traded my f150 for the Silverado which I never had problems with and just wanted a new truck, just recently went bought the f250 👍🏽 service writer was telling me that they have problems with the corvette (transmissions) and the 2500 ‘s with the motor and transmissions
I’ve driven my 2020 baby Duramax for 88,000 miles. Unbelievable fuel economy, max I’ve ever gotten is 40 mpg, normally at 67 mph over 30! Fuel economy definitely went up after 10k miles. Getting a new one this week, same engine of course, although refreshed/updated engine. Best truck I’ve owned to date!
By the time you pay extra for Diesel Fuel, DEF. Fuel filters, engine upgrade 2600.00 or what ever it is, oil changes. You are better off getting a gasser.
It’s true but the I6 Duramax isn’t that bad for oil changes and you will most likely get 800 MPG on def. The gas is better in most cases but I think 60%+ hwy, I would go diesel 👍🏾
Something a lot of people don’t consider when comparing diesel to gas is time saved. Time is the most precious commodity we have. Over a three year period a person will spend a lot less time visiting gas stations if they own a diesel vs owning the equivalent gas vehicle. Even if the gas vehicle has a lower sticker price than the diesel, the diesel owner will come out ahead because he can have more time to do other things , such as spending time with loved ones or chasing opportunities. Time isn’t money. Time is infinitely more valuable than money. You can get more money, but you can’t get more time.
Great video, well done. I had a 21 Silverado with duramax and it was amazing on fuel. I averaged about 22 in town and the best was coming down a mountain fully loaded for vacation and it got 34.5 mpg. It was great until a distracted driver destroyed it. Have a 22 Silverado 5.3 now. Great truck, but fuel economy is way less, that’s its only fault. But you don’t buy a pick up looking for good gas mileage.
If I crunched the numbers properly, the trip cost about 55 cents more with the 5.3L. He showed cost of the diesel option at ~2600 dollars which would require about 90,000 miles to cover the cost of the diesel upgrade for this particular trip.
Is it me or does no one do gas and diesel comparisons on TH-cam. This guy takes you for a ride and both. thank you Sir!🙏🏻
In CA, diesel is up to 25% higher than gas
@@morthomer5804 I know that's true. But my local gm dealer here in southern oregon sells most of their diesels to other dealers in....SOCAL !!! When they get a diesel in stock, it doesn't last long on the lot because they all go to cally. Weird but true. When I bought my 2022 diesel Z71 Colorado last year, my salesman got a call from a dealer in socal, and he put him on speaker phone so I could hear him. He tried to talk my salesman out of selling the truck to me, at $3k under msrp. I love my little diesel truck...
TFL Trucks does it anyhow.
@@morthomer5804 its not that much more but the mpg is far superior
I get 25-26mpg on my 3.0 Duramax on regular commuting. Long highway drives I’ve gotten as high as 33.6mpg when keeping it below 65mph. Great engine. Full tank usually gets me about 550-560 miles. I’m happy with the power train.
same here
Amazing~ I'm really sold on this diesel. I've had a Crown Victoria for 10 years that gets 19mpg combined. I had a 1980 VW Rabbit 1.6 liter with 88hp in college that got 25mpg combined. The good ol days of engines is 2023.
Doesn’t matter you still are not money ahead when you factor the extra cost for the diesel engine the extra cost for diesel fuel the extra cost for DEF the extra cost in oil changes no thanks I’ll gladly stick with the 5.3
Love my diesel. Oil changes are not more expensive at my dealership and the fuel economy is way better and the towing fuel economy can’t be beat.
Do you ever feel like you're lacking passing power on the highway?
My friend and I just took a trip and his Z71 Diesel and it got over 30 mpg regularly. That thing got better fuel mileage towing a car on a car hauling trailer than my Jeep does by itself:-) great review! Side note, I would never run 50 psi on the rear tires of an empty half ton. It reduces your contact patch on the road and crowns the tire so you prematurely wear the center of the tire and it rides much harder. I gladly pay the 0.001(whatever) MPG penalty for a smoother ride and better tire wear
Drove 5.3 since 03. Bought a 3.0 duramax in 21. Completely impressed in all aspects. Max torque is achieved at low rpms and at cruising speeds and fuel mileage is beyond expectations for a full size half ton. Fun to drive
also better for mountain driving, you can't pull anything with a light duty normally aspirated gasoline truck through the mountains.
except you can and people do all the time@@mfstr
I live in Utah where he filmed this. I pull cars and boats all over with my 5.3L Silverado with 4.10's. If I'm going up Parley's Summit on I-80 coming out of SLC up to Park City I will have to run it in 2nd gear at high RPM but it gets it done. Anywhere else I have no problems running 75 mph with traffic. Car trailer and car totals 7000 lb and my boat and trailer are around 3500 lbs. If I pulled anything heavier like a huge camper, I'd go with a 2500 or 3500 truck. A turbo diesel would be nice but a gas V8 can pull just fine, you just can't be scared to rev it. If you think you're going to pull 7000 lbs up a steep mountain at 70 mph at 2000 RPM in a gas engine you're misinformed. I pull my boat cross country in the summers.
Is diesel better for mpg yeah but wouldn’t it kinda be the same since it’s more per gallon at the pump
@@itsshadowuser9536 Not exactly... My F150 averages 17mpg, my GMC AT4 with the 3.0 duramax averages 27.5 MPG. Diesel in my area is about 35 to 40 cents per gallon more or 12% to 13% more. I am getting 38% more miles per gallon.
I have a 2023 GMC Sierra AT4 with the LZ0 and I love it. Fast ignition and great MPG in the first 500 miles with the best drive being over 25mpg and I have not yet broken out on a long highway drive. I think the power is more than sufficient and well worth it given the MPG. By the way, requiring seat belts to shift into gear CAN BE TURNED OFF...but it's buried deep in the menus. :-) lol
I have owned both of these and driven all the options in every truck in this segment, and the 3.0 Duramax 10sp combo is the best of them all imo. The linear powerband just matches this size truck perfectly.
We have a 2023 gmc yukon with the 3.0 and we live in WV where nothing is flat. And we are getting 25-31mpg
That is crazy, I’ve heard similar viewers say the same thing and once it has some miles on it, it only gets better 👍🏾👍🏾
Get back to us in 3-5 yrs.
Yeah not happening
All these people giving this junk good review's just wait till the timing belt break's pure garbage,why Don't they use timing gears?? Cause they never break that's why,my Cummins diesel is 29 years old 330 thousand miles,23 miles to the gallon & purrs like a kitten,this new junk won't last near as long without costly breakdown & maintenance I promise
@@raybobkowalski2154what timing belt?
I own a 2021 crewcab 4x4 rst 3.0... I commute 700 miles per week. I fill up once & average 32-34 mpg. I get around 25-26 around town. Low end torque & towing is amazing. I've had no mechanical issues & love my purchase... planning on buying a Tahoe for my wife with the 3.0....
I don't blame you. After riding in my 3.0 truck, my wife now wants a Yukon with the 3.0 as well. They are great engines!
I have the 3.0 diesel in my 2022 Sierra AT4 (refreshed). I average between 26-30mpg. My best 50 mile is 33.7 mpg!!! I originally order the 6.2 but last summer they did not have enough 6.2s in stock, so I changed to the 3.0 diesel; best decision!!
I have a 2020 3.0 and love it. It gets 25 mpg daily and up to 36 mpg on the highway. Another huge benefit is towing where I consistently get 19 mpg towing a 4500 lb boat. It doesn't really burn through DEF unless you are towing so, while I think it is an annoying thing to add, the cost isn't that high. The oil changes are simple and reasonably cheap doing them myself. It has amazing torque too.
Didn’t the 3.0 just come out on the 23?
@@orion000The inline-6 cylinder 3.0L Duramax came out in 2019
What’s the oil change cost average when you do it yourself?
@@kyleperry3748for me on my 21, it's about 80 bones for 7 qt dexos d and a filter....if u drive average and no towing oil change will go approx 6-7000 miles...the manual states 7500 but I change it just a but earlier
That diesel is impressive. I would like to see a long term overall cost comparison because fuel mileage isn't the whole story. The initial cost is higher plus higher maintenance and fuel prices of diesel over time compared to gas.
Is the engine built to last 300k miles like the large diesels?
Lower maintenance in long term, GM rat last lasting (95%) for 50% more miles than the 5.3 and even more for 4cyl turbo
Purchased a 4wd GMC Elevation a few months ago with 59000 miles....Couldn't be happier so far. I love the low end torque.. barely push the pedal and it pulls hard. Max torque at 1500 rpms. I didn't want to have to rev the engine up to get on the highway. I've watched many TH-cam videos of 1320 ft 3.0 vs 6.2. The gas always has to catch the 3.0. as it initially out accelerates the gas engine. Im not worried about speeds over 75 mph so I'll stick with the diesel. Also, there are tunes and after-market turbos to bring up hp and torque significantly for the diesel. I'm averaging 27 mpg and getting over 32 on the highway in a full size 4wd pickup. Thats insane.
Need more of these types of reviews.
Well Done.
Thank you.
Just bought the 5.3 Trail Boss Custom. Never had a truck before and I absolutely love it. My co workers are in envy of me.
If I was buying a new Silverado I'd definitely be getting a diesel. I drive a 2018 diesel Equinox AWD and I love it. In city I average about 35 mpg and on the highway about 50 mpg. You can't even approach that with a gas engine.
I have a 1st gen LM2 1500 Duramax Silverado with 30k before a 5.3 Sierra and the only thing that makes this a debate is the spike in diesel prices… pros to the diesel are fuel efficiency, torque, towing, cleaner emissions, typically longevity over gas engines, GM built engine from the ground up with 2019 model release, I think one the the most underrated pros is also the uniqueness of having a 1500 diesel. I remember pulling up to my uncles and blowing his mind bc he never thought in a million years they were going to bring back 1500 diesels. Cons are DEF, oil belt maintenance @ 150k, repair cost down the road, these diesels aren’t drag racers by any means but are peppy nevertheless. All things considered diesel still takes the win IMO.
Have had great luck over 20 years of 5.3s including the 21 LT Trailboss I'm currently driving. I agree the diesel is a little gem but staying V8 for life and will be in a 6.6 HD next year
I has a 2017 Silverado 5.3 for a couple years. Mpg was ok. Towing my 4000 lb boat was an issue. It would do it but it didn't like it. And it drank gas! Traded it in on a 2021 Silverado with a 3 liter Duramax. Both trucks were identical LTZ , 4 Wheel drive etc. Color and engine were the only difference. I love this truck! It tows my boat with no issues. Mpg does go down but still beats the 5.3 by a long shot! I can fill up in GA and drive to my mother's house in PA and have fuel left. Not much fuel but it was still there. My best mpg was a couple months ago to the Outer Banks ,NC. I had a best of 42.6 . I have a picture to prove it. Now yes fuel is about $1 more a gallon over gas and you still have DEF to fool with once or twice a year. I fill this bad boy up about once a month of course I am retired and don't drive the work commute everyday. But if I did I would still get it . Hell $995 option and great towing with spectacular mileage. Heck of a deal.
In my area of Texas, fuel prices have turned in favor of Diesel - that was not the case just a couple of weeks ago. Comparing fuel cost only for the 5.3L (regular), 6.2L (premium), 3.0L Diesel for a 4x4 Tahoe, diesel is about $550-$600 a year lower if you drive 12K miles. Add in $100 extra for the higher cost of 2 oil changes, DEF and you are still about $300+ lower in annual fuel, oil, and DEF cost. I love the Diesel for its towing capability while giving much better mpg. Still seeing issues with 5.3L and 6.2L lifters and push rods - which will not be corrected ever, given GM is now investing in the new generation small block v8.
I am in East TX and I often see diesel cheaper than gas (although I have not checked lately). I am considering the 3.0 Duramax or the Ford Powerboost. I also like the new Colorado/Canyon though....
These figures are so long as diesel is cheaper. Over the next few years diesel will be going up at a rate higher than gasoline. So basically over the years, it's a wash as far as dollars per mile
@@charliemagoo7943 Actually its based on Diesel being $0.30 more per gallon over premium for 6.2L and at 12K miles per year driven with 15 mpg for 6.2L and 20 mpg for diesel.
My 01 tundra 4x4 and lx450 lexus will outlast all kf this fn gm junk
The tow rating for the diesel in this test was LOWER. By a lot. See 8:45 and 19:45.
Bought a Suburban Premier with a 3.0 Duramax Diesel four days ago. So powerful, smooth, “torquey” and smooth. I’m averaging 25 mpg . Love this SUV!
Everyone talks about the added MPG with the diesel and how it's saving them money, but the OVERALL operating cost is significantly higher with the diesel compared to the 5.3 gasser making the added MPG of the diesel a complete wash. The main thing is (in my area) diesel fuel cost more than $1.00 per gal more than gas. That being said, the diesel costs roughly $40.00 more to fill up than the 5.3. If you really crunch the numbers, that puts the diesel behind the gasser right there for operating costs per mile even though the diesel does actually get better mpg. Then add in def fluid and all the other maintenance costs that are much higher for the diesel compared to the 5.3, and it's easy to see the 5.3 is easily the cheaper way to go.
Good thing everyone is doing 80.
Wrong.
I pay .20 cents additional for diesal .
The last 5.3 I had a few years ago would not get any where close to 20mpg its average was 14-15 MPG and forget towing snything you would be in the single digits.
as far as Maintenance thats not true about the diesal see from my previous post.
The fuel filters do not need replacing very often,I take mine to the dealer for all service work and after three oil changes the fuel filter life is still at 53% at 17,000 Miles. The DEF consumption is another Non issue at in 17,000 miles i have used 4- 2.5 gallons of DEF in this truck ,so in other words it uses one bottle of DEF per 4500 miles and Finally i average 27-30 MPG around town and always get 34 or better on the interstate.
Towing wise i usually get around 24 MPG or a hair better towing a 16' trailor at around 5000 pounds.
There is not a gas Motor that can touch it mileage or power wise.
Add in the Lifter problems on the 5.3 and 6.2 (just do a search) the gas motors are junk and have been for a while I'll stick to the Diesal motor.
@brucemoorejr3115 If that's the case, which I know it isn't and is a downright lie, then you've found the cheapest diesel fuel in the entire United States!
@brucemoorejr3115 You e got a world record breaking diesel then if what you say is true, which I know for a fact it isn't. But that's fine, you stick to your made-up story and numbers.
@@gunnerneikoify all you have to do is do a little research from actual owners of this engine and you will tell they are getting the same or better results as I am.
Evidently your triggered very easily when I was just pointing out several points on the 3.0 motor.
I originally was going to buy the 5.3
But the dealer was sold out of them.
He asked if I would be interested in a diesal I said no.
He convinced me to take it for a test drive and was sold on the power curve.
Best decision I ever made.
Sorry to have upset your liberal mindset with facts.
Maybe you change your name to Karen.
2024 LTZ, crew cab, 3.0 Duramax, no regrets, MPG avg is 25-27, I have gotten 30-33 on highway, it is insane, no modifications all stock. Best half ton pick up out there. This is my third Silverado in 30 years.
I have a 2022 Diesel Escalade 3.0 Sport Platinum 4x4. I simply LOVE IT!!! Before that I had several gassers. The 3.0 is insanely reliable and has incredible power mates with the 10 speed transmission. GM blew it out of the park with the 3.0 and 10 speed combo. The low end grunt is insane. I grew to love it so much that I purchased a 2022 GMC Sierra Denali Ultimate 4x4 for myself and gave the Escalade to my wife. We both get over 32+ on the Hwy and approx 26 average city/Hwy. I can’t explain how much I love this engine. Just test drive one please. You will know what I’m talking about. I have 27K miles in my Escalade with only one issue. A crack in the intake manifold. It was repaired in a day at the dealer and it’s been fine ever since. Service engine light was the only issue we noticed. The Sierra has approx 10k miles. Zero problems. Top end is a little light. But the trade off in economy and low end grunt makes the Diesel the only way to go. You would have to be crazy to buy the gasser. I’m sorry but it’s true. My $0.02
How do you know its reliable? You don't have that many miles or years on it yet.
Totally agree with your analysis. I have only had my 23 Silverado LT Duramax for a week so definitely haven't had enough driving time to be an expert far from it. That said I can't really put a finger on it other than it just drives better than my 2 previous 5.3 V8's. Where I live it was -31 on the weekend, with the block heater plugged in for 4 hours I died right up, rough idle for a few minutes then smooth. Today I pulled a 6 x 10 trailer with about 30 bales of hay, not a heavy load but it drove like I wasn't even pulling a trailer. Best of all I have gone about 170 kms and my range still says over 600 kms. That's with winter blend diesel, and in auto and a bit of idling. When my sales guy went over everything it sat idling for maybe 30 min plus a bit on the weekend. Probably the best powertrain I have ever driven.
Thanks. I switched from a 5.3 Denali to an EcoDiesel a year ago. I couldn't find a 3.0 Duramax I could afford so I went with the Ram. My experience with the mileage is exactly as JB reports. Diesel's get their best milage when they are warm and cruising. I'm not convinced it does better when running errands in the winter. The wild card is the price of diesel. When I made my switch I did a deep dive and determined that as long as diesel is no more than $0.60 greater in price than regular unleaded I'm coming out ahead compared to the 5.3. Problem is, here in the PNW diesel is as much as $1.20 more :(
You can change the settings to allow you to shift into drive without your seatbelt.
I recently drove an AT4 with the 3.0 and a High Country with the 6.2. They were like night and day, not the trucks but the engines. The diesel was great 0-20 but passing and acceleration from 40+ was like driving an old 4 cylinder car. The 6.2 you could confidently pass and didn’t need to floor it to gain speed, half throttle seemed to be enough to accelerate. I really wanted to love the diesel but after driving the 6.2 just couldn’t. An AT4 with the 6.2 is where it’s at.
I have a 2021 GMC AT4 and I have to agree there's nothing out there like that 6.2 for power
@@Scott-pg3ut Yeah, passes everything but a gas station!
You buy the 3.0 for the gas mileage
@@drjhunter fuel milage
@@Scott-pg3ut mileage 😀
I just ordered a 6.2 trail boss. I can’t wait till I get it
If fuel cost aren't an issue, you will love it!
I have a 2022 Sierra SLT with the 3.0 and absolutely love it! 30+
mpg on the highway no problem. Diesel for me all the way!
How many miles have you got on it now? Any issues?
I have the 3.0 and LOVE it. Best powertrain I've ever had.
Same
What year and model truck you guys have?
I got a 3.0 duramax Sierra. Amazing set up. Got the 3.73 max trailer tow package. Only 2200 miles so far. Tracing on fuelly I am averaging 28.0 MPG. Insane. And it drives so smoothly. Amazing!
When you shifted to manual from drive, it showed what gear you were in at the bottom of the tach. It changed from D to L 10. I believe the 10 was your gear.
Yes, that was it
I recently got an AT4 with the 3.0. I’ve taken it to Austin which is about a 5 hour drive and it gives me 28-30 MPG. I love it but yes like some of the comments on here the only downside is that it is a bit slower when passing. Other than that I love it.
Ive got a ‘21 GMC Sierra 1500 3.0 Denali and I love the truck. Maintenance cost is higher but 24+ MPG leaves no room for complaint when you’re talking a full size truck.
I have a 2023 GMC SLT 3.0 I went from Baton Rouge La to Atlanta and I got 38.2 mpg. That’s over 600 miles to a full tank. I was able to make the trip off of one fill up and still had about 150 miles to empty once I arrived. I freaking love it! 💪🏾
I know this isn't apples to apples but I currently have a 2021 2.8 diesel Canyon AT4 with the off-road performance package(skid plates, etc.). With the additional weight, I still get 30 mpg at 75 mph. I've put a little over 5,000 miles on it in the past month with near daily use and it has been fantastic for my use. I think that points to the main issue though, most people don't touch that kind of daily mileage and they never see the benefits of having a diesel which is why all of these companies are killing diesel options in non-commercial vehicles.
Great video with good information! I have the 3.0 duramax in a GMC Sierra 1500 AT4. It gets incredible fuel mileage, and I love the torque curve. A blast to drive.
Thanks for the content. Went with the 3.0 as well.
Thank you for the video! I'm with you....i can NOT wait to get my new 3.0 Duramax!
I’ve had several diesel 1/2 tons. Love em. However the fuel price difference between gas and diesel comes into play which just about eliminates the mileage savings. Then you add the DEF and a more expensive oil change and there’s no cost savings to drive a diesel. Once they are off warranty and you have some engine problems the diesel will cost you much more than gas.
I now drive gas engine pickups.
I think it's about how often you drive. I just priced DEF fluid, about $50 for 5 gallons here, oil and filter probably close to $90-$100. I,myself, average about 6500 miles a year driving so 1 oil change a year. Things can change but for now that's where I'm at. Diesel here is .20-.30 more than gas. My 2018 5.3 sees 15 city and 20 highway. If I were to get a new truck I'd want the 3.0 because I spend way more now at the gas station than I do with oil changes and maintenance. My last oil change was $80 from my local shop.
@Kanakid, You are correct. Just watched this video on 11/28/23 and the price of gas in Dallas,TX is 2.57/gal, diesel is $3.33/gal. So doing the math with his results are as follows:
Gas - $2.57÷18.7mpg=13.7 cents/mile
Diesel -$3.33÷24.3mpg=13.7 cents/mile
So the diesel does deliver better fuel mileage, 5.6 mpg more than gas, a 30% increase. But the cost of diesel fuel negates the advantage.
In settings you can turn off the buckle seatbelt to drive. It will show you what gear you're in with manual mode but I believe it won't shift into the top 2 gears. I traded my 5.3 gas for the 3.0L diesel. I love the diesel. Need to keep it at or below 70 for best mileage. Tows our 29' camper with ease
As someone who works for Chevrolet myself I must say that LZO refresh on the 2023 1500 is nice that 3.0 is amazing and I love bragging to my customers about it what it can do and then having them drive it. especially when you’ve got 305 hp and that lovely 495lb of torque. The 3.0 is a little baby monster out of the factory I can only imagine what people will be able to-get out of this motor in the future with tuning
And how does a 0-20 engine oil grab you on a diesel..?
@@normanflint8757I'm a noob. Would you explain?
2006 Silverado with the 5.3 (323 C.I) this is before they shut off cylinders for gas mileage (Thank God). I get 20 mpg highway including climbing and descending a grade in both directions. I get about 18.5 mpg for my usual driving which is a highway city mix. I'm a very gas mileage-oriented driver is so far as soft acceleration and getting off the throttle very early for obvious full stops, 70mph is my normal cruising speed however. I'm happy with this but it was nice/interesting to see the diesel exceed my mpg by quite a-lot. Great informative video! Thumbs up!
Nice review. If I ever went back to a 1500 I would 1000% without question get the 3.0 diesel even with fuel prices what they are. And I’d just take my chances with the emissions nonsense.
I’m not touching a DFM engine, and both the 5.3 and 6.2 are that.
The fact that you can get full size car mpg with a full size 4WD truck is just incredible. And the Trail Boss is the worst example for fuel mileage because of the 2” lift. They are epa rated less than a non Trail Boss.
I have a 3.0 diesel Chevy Silverado, and I get 23 mpg to 25 mpg on short trips, and 30 mpg to 35 mpg on a trip. Even if we are going 75 mph. I would highly recommend one of these trucks to anyone.
I had a 2022 Silverado LT with the 3.0 Duramax and I was averaging 34-36 mpg in TX. It was a great truck, I’m getting a Tahoe with that motor. It’s a great motor.
You can turn off the “Buckle To Drive” feature in the vehicle settings in the infotainment screen
IMO This new LZO duramax is the best 1/2 ton engine you can get for torque, fuel mileage towing and not towing out of any of the manufacturers. It might not have the most horsepower but with all the torque down low it feels like it has a lot more then it does.
I have a 21 Silverado with the Duramax diesel. I live on Cape Cod I don’t travel very far I’m averaging 29 miles to the gallon.
Great video, I have a 3L ordered
I bought a 23' 3.0 Duramax... if I sold it today, I'd buy another one tomorrow. I love this truck
I have a 2021 Silverado 1500 LT with 3.0 Duramax. 35k miles and zero issues. She's my daily driver and I tow a 5000+ lb trailer quite often. I average about 22 mpg in city Short trip traffic , 15 to 18 mpg towing overall, maybe 20 with flat land and tail wind. I average 32 on the highway at 65-70 speeds. I live in Chicago area. I bought the truck in Missouri. When purchased brand new I drove home keeping under 55 mph on the highway. I got 43.8 mpg. What can I say. I love this engine and power train. Get one!
Who the heck drive 65 my 82 two-year-old mother drives 80
I was lucky to pick up a 2020 Sierra SLT 5.3 almost 1 year ago with 2,600 miles. A trip back from Myrtle Beach back to MA last September I had a best 50 mile range of 30.3 and trip average was 25.7mpg.
2 things - the service bulletin that cjrod9443 mentioned states that normal oil consumption is 1quart/1000 miles while working the engine(towing) and 1 quart/2000 miles while being light footed. That is terrible in my book. Second thing - its cool to see those MPG numbers, 30% better MPG with diesel, but the diesel also costs at least 30% more per gallon in my area so cost/mile is a wash for fuel. Now add cost of oil consumed and DEF costs and gas is really a cheaper alternative.
My truck has over 1100 miles on it and has not used any oil. Those numbers are typical of most manufacturers. It doesn’t mean the truck will use that much oil mine hasn’t and I have been keeping tabs on it since day one.
I towed a 7000lb trailer from south Texas to the smokey mountains and back. It didn't use any oil...
It’s not the cost per gallon its the cost per mile that counts.
@@jma64930 This oil consumption rhetoric is completely overblown. Mine hasn’t used any after 1500 miles.
Thanks for posting. Agree, diesels are the best! Shame GM dropped my 2.8 Duramax!
My 21 Sierra with the 3.0 has 12,600 miles and has spent 6 weeks in the shop in 4k miles. 6 different problems and all are emissions. When the lease is up they get it back and I’ll get the 2023 7.3 Godzilla or the 2024 6.6 gas Sierra with the 10 speed.
That sucks, I believe they made updates to some of the emissions crap for 23 but who knows… gas engine will win because epa doesn’t want you to own them…
@@JB_WhoWork The government doesn’t want us burning all the diesel so they can have more for their tanks
I got the 3.0. It’s bad ass!! Mpg is the best part! Wife has the 5.3 in her AT4 Yukon, it also is amazing minus horrendous mpg.
I have a 2023 GMC sierra elevation X31 3.0 Duramax. Crew cab with 6.5' box. Also have a contractors cap on top. We go by km here in Canada so from max tank I got 957km when the gas light came on. (That's 590 miles) I love this Truck and it has a ton of torque, feels like a V8 but super fuel efficient.
I got the 6.5’ box as well. Very rare to see another one on the road or in a parking lot
Great video wonder what the difference is between the 3.0 diesel and the 2.7 turbo 4 cylinder would be
Most definitely one of the most badass looking trucks Ive ever seen. So beautiful
In my 2019 5.3 I was getting 19-20 mpg pretty consistently on the highway, 21 mpg if I babied it. My 2020 with the 3.0 got 29+ mpg on the highway. Where the diesel really shined was towing. Pulling my boat (20' bay boat) was effortless with the 3.0 and still managed to get 17-18 mpg. I drive a 2500 now but I wouldn't hesitate to get another 3.0 duramax.
My 2019 5.3 gets 19+ mixed and 23+ highway
I love my ‘23 LTZ Z71 3.0 diesel. On a 430 mile round trip, up and down the Sierras I got a 27.6 MPG for the trip.
Great video. Thanks. My calculations suggest that the fuel cost driver between the 3.0, 5.3, and the 6.2 is the price of fuel. Diesel and premium running $0.80 and $1.00 per gallon more than regular means the 5.3 wins the fuel cost comparison. About ties the 3.0 and beats the 6.2. That is why my new Silverado has the 5.3. After three 6.2s it is back to the old reliable 5.3.
Not everywhere is diesel more. Here in Canada diesels been $0.20-0.70 gallon cheaper
@@EFFTrudeau-001 Canada is a big place. Diesel is not cheaper everywhere in Canada. Diesel has been more expensive than gas for 2-3 years in Southern Ontario.
@davidbarclay4968 Diesel up in Northern/Mid ontario has been cheaper for over a year up until the Carbon tax kicked in. Since then has been 10-17 cents more liter. Glad I settled on the 2023 Ram Sport
I love my 22 refresh trail boss 3.0 duramax, 7000 miles and counting, average 21/23 mpg city. 24/31 highway mpg. It tows great with my 3000pound trailer. You don’t feel it. It tows decent with my 7500pound trailer. 1-2000 rpm’s is impressive with all that weight, 3-6000 rpm’s the truck struggles the same as a 5.3 motor.
Would recommend!!!!
16.5 mpg with the 5.3 seems low. I can get 22-25 mpg with my 2015 5.3 unless I am pulling the camper, then it drops to 10. Have not had any issues with the AFM. I think oil changes are one of the keys to AFM reliability.
I've not had any issues with GM power trains. Routine maintenance is severely degraded these days and it's not uncommon for owners to skip an oil change or two and no one ever admits they fail with maintenance.
Great video buddy. Thank you for posting this
My only wish is you’d do hard numbers like TFL does. Reset the trip before the trip and calculate numbers at the pump when you finish refilling after the trip. GM is notorious for over estimating their mpg. My wife’s Yukon XL consistently shows 18.5-19 on her 5.3, but only gets 16.5-17 hard calculated, almost always. Big difference
not that i seen even with TFL they are off tend to pretty close but still off for all brands.
Great video!
I'll be picking up my new duramax AT4 on Thursday!
Hi, So what are your Oil change cost each time (How many changes) Def cost, ea month? No lag on Turbo?
The biggest issue that folks have is the Diesel Prices at the pump.
Here in Wisconsin Milwaukee area diesel at costco is 3.59 a gal it's usually 30 cent more than regular
I have a 2023 GMC Denali 3.0 Duramax and im getting 25 mpg average mix driving and ive gotten a best 31 mpg on pure hwy driving. I love this truck its been awesome in everry respect.
I would not pay the premium of fuel cost, maintainance, and upfront cost for the 3.0. it's not worth it. I'd either stick with the base 2.7L (I'd have to test drive it first) or stick with the tried and tested 5.3.
Diesel is 20 cents a gallon cheaper in my area.
Pull a boat with the 3.0 was getting 25 miles to the gallon ... took the boat off was getting 33mpg technician told me it will hit 38 mpg when the engine breaks in ... love my truck . best money on a vehicle I ever .. fun to drive
Don't have to put seatbelt on, there's a option in the menu to switch it off.
Just bought a 2024 ZR2 with Duramax, it’s amazing! 28mpg on the way home from the dealership.
I really want a 6.2 with 30+ gallon tank but GM insists on small 24 gallon tanks.
I have gotten as high as 38 Mpg over a 50-mile trip in my 2020 3.0. Love this truck! Waco TX to Durango Colorado only took a little over 1 tank of fuel.
No savings.. because of the price of Diesel versus gas
Right lol
I have a 2023 with the 3.0 duramax it has a 24 gallon fuel tank and gets average 630 miles per tank my 2018 with the 5.3 has a 26 gallon tank and average about 480 miles per tank driving the exact route. Diesel is averaging around 0.40 cents per gallon more than regular unleaded and oil changes are about the same price on both. Even with having to put Def fluid in it im still saving money.
Great video. I like diesel. I have been looking at the 3.0 Duramax. The only thing that gives me pause is the wet Kevlar reinforced oil pump belt. Depending on year that is rated to 150k - 200k miles (or equivalent hours). That belt needs to be replaced at that service interval and that means removing trans, or a visit to dealership or shop for a costly maintenance. To be fair though, any engine is going to need costly service at some point. The only reason I don't have a diesel yet is that I believed the maintenance would be more than gas. However, the efficiency difference between gas and diesel probably makes up for that.
Price per mile it's very similar (using the national fuel cost average, so YMMV). Using both of those figures, the gasser would cost about $18.28 per 100 miles while the babymax costs about $18.85 to go the same distance.
In California, Diesel is the same price as premium gas right now. Sometimes it's the same price as regular. This is the best state to own a Diesel.
@@djp1234 what area? CA average for regular is $4.44 and for diesel is $5.65. Where I used to live near the Bay Area still shows $4.52 for regular and $5.89 for diesel.
@@ALMX5DP San Diego. I just checked the prices again. Looks like right now Diesel is 50 cents more than premium. That's unusually high. I've been living here for 5 years and the price of Diesel has always fluctuated between regular and premium gas.
@@djp1234 I’m in Cali diesel is about $1.50 more per gallon in Bakersfield
My best friend works for a huge Chevy dealer and told me that the 3.0 Duramax is maybe the worst engine in Chevy's entire lineup. He said many of the internal parts are made very cheap, leading to catasrophic failure.
I’ve thought about the 3.0 duramax vs 6.2 vortec. Waited for the new generation to come out. I’ll stick with the 6.2. Reasons are the diesel engine is backwards which means a lot of headaches. Belts, front main seal, etc. Because of the design to fit other models the engine out process costs alot more money because of extra work. Diesels aren’t bad. But, def fluid, more oil, more maintenance costs of fuel system vs gas….
You answered my question timing chain is cab off , correct?
Get a 6.6 gasser instead, or get a super low miles southern 90s-06 chevy. This new shit is so junk. Even doing the cabin air filter you can tell these tricks are junk
Love the review. I like that you don't have that influencer vibe that makes it seem phony.
Probably gonna roll with the 5.3.
The 3.0 diesel is great but only 2 MF make the oil for it under the Dexos D spec and the oil change is 140.00 Dallors . AC Delco and Mobile one
Buy the 2.7 gas turbo. I have a 21 Silverado 4x4 regular cab long bed. Truck has 45,000 miles on it. The lifetime average mpg is 21.5. Best gas mileage was 27mpg. This was rural driving around 55mph. I'm in NYS where are maximum speeds are 70mph. If you're in a place with higher speed limits the gas mileage drops off. It gets 17mpg at 80mph. It's a great driving truck. I've had several loads at and above 2,000lbs. There was no issue with power and fuel economy was still between 19-21mpg. I have a couple of older 5.3's with the DOD. The 2.7 seems more powerful and certainly uses less fuel.
The k you for comparing both. I’m looking at each right now and really wanted to see this comparison.
Now do 6.2 vs 3.0
My 2022 Denali ultimate with the LM2 3.0 averages 32.3 mpg most of the time running 72-75 mph
Nice comparison bro! Nothing at all wrong with a 5.3 if you are trying to pinch pennies in the short term and you don’t own a trailer.🇺🇸💪
5.3 should still be very capable of towing most of what a 1/2 ton could be reasonably expected to tow.
@@ALMX5DP Agreed. Plenty of engine
@@ALMX5DP I towed an 8000 lb camper and it did very well , it is not a diesel but it does it
5.3 will do way more work than people realize. Occasionally, when I’ve already got a trailer hooked to my 3/4 ton, I use my 5.3 Sierra to pull 12,000 (trailer + load) just using it locally. Mostly flat ground but with some steep but short grades to pull. 5.3 pulls it fine, no drama at all. I end up more worried about stopping than pulling.
You will spend far more money in the long run with the diesel and the 5.3 will last just as long or longer and pull and haul more
"I had a 22' 3.0 1500 and loved it. Got 27mpg on the Hwy. Lifted it and hated it but still got 18mpg. Ended up with a Traill boss 5.3 now. Third 5.3 I have had and no complaints. Doesn't get as good gas mileage though but I also don't have to worry about finding diesel or the DEF. But I wouldn't mind another diesel.
The 5.3 doesn’t have low end torque it really has to scream pulling anything over 5000lbs. I have one both my boys drove through high school and the youngest drove it until he was almost 23. It is a great motor it just doesn’t cut it pulling a trailer. Great truck it has never had anything major done to it after 2 boys driving it to the levy and back.
Thanks for sharing, the 5.3L is a great Powertrain but you are not kidding about screaming!
If you could get the 5.3 with the 3.73 rear end it’s a different truck but they did away with it for better mpg and only by 2 mpg at best.
I just sold a 2016 with that set up. It pulled my G23 great
@@Steve-kx6hd I have a 2015 Sierra with the 5.3 and Max Trailering Package so I have the 3.73 and 6 speed with the bigger rear end differential plus all the options that come with the NHT build code. Pull a 7600 pound TT and it performs great. I had a 2000 Sierra 5.3 with the 3.73 and pulling the same trailer I was pushing the older truck so that's why I upgraded and its day and night difference from the 2000. I'm very happy with my 15 Sierra. Maybe my next truck 5-10 years down the road will be a 2500 D-Max.
With the 10 speed it's not bad...I have the 6.0/6spd and it's very underwhelming
Older 5.3s don't count. They didn't have the 10 speed.
I’ve owned both of them and for my money it’s the 3.0 for me!
I've heard many people are complaining about oil consumption on the 3.0 so much that GM has already send out a bulletin to dealership and techs
Good to know
I have 28k on my 2021 GMC 3.0. I lose about half a quart at 4000 miles. Which i don't think its to bad with 0-20 motor oil.. I seen that video and what he doesn't tell you is that GM has thst bulletin for all their engine. No one I know that have the GM 3.0 have oil consumption problems. We all really like our trucks.
@@CT-go5ii I had a 21 Silverado 3.0 Duramax . I traded it in for an ecodiesel then I traded that in for a Silverado 2500 Duramax and I can tell you not everyone who owns these trucks is happy with them.
@@CT-go5ii I have an oil consumption problem on my 5.3 with that AFM crap.
@@tomcat5986 Sorry to hear that. No one likes have problems with their vehicles and having the dealer having no solution for you.
I have had two 3 diesel and that is all I will buy
I am definitely debating the 3.0. I have a short commute of 4 miles, but we do take 300 mile trips about once or twice a month. My only hesitation is the issue with short commute and the emission system.
You will not have any issues due to short commute given that once or twice a month you do a 100+ mile trip. Go enjoy.
Me and coworkers son just turned our 3.0 duramax in for lemon law, emissions 4 times, hard cranking noises 5 times, broken injectors 1 time, main wiring harnesses 2 times, and transmission problems 2 times, same on both trucks and they charged us for mileage which my mileage just hit 18k and he just hit 5k miles and is going back 🤷🏽♂️ great gas mileage and nice looking truck but terribly built truck
FYI GM charges for mileage and I lost $7 k on it
@@ralphpauldesantiago5951 That is very disheartening about the 3.0, I was looking forward to the mpg. Was yours the LM2 or the LZ0? What did you guys replace the 3.0 with?
@@MrG8Rsir I believe it was the lm2, the truck was a 2021 and I know that it the motor was updated but at the same time the service writer was telling me that it’s still too early for those trucks to have been out, I think they are still ironing out all the kinks and with the new and ( supposed) improved engine🤷🏽♂️ the exact repair, I’m not sure because after being at the dealership for the 8th just told them to fix while I was getting the claim rolling for the buy back, just went back to ford, I traded my f150 for the Silverado which I never had problems with and just wanted a new truck, just recently went bought the f250 👍🏽 service writer was telling me that they have problems with the corvette (transmissions) and the 2500 ‘s with the motor and transmissions
I’ve driven my 2020 baby Duramax for 88,000 miles. Unbelievable fuel economy, max I’ve ever gotten is 40 mpg, normally at 67 mph over 30! Fuel economy definitely went up after 10k miles. Getting a new one this week, same engine of course, although refreshed/updated engine. Best truck I’ve owned to date!
By the time you pay extra for Diesel Fuel, DEF. Fuel filters, engine upgrade 2600.00 or what ever it is, oil changes. You are better off getting a gasser.
It’s true but the I6 Duramax isn’t that bad for oil changes and you will most likely get 800 MPG on def. The gas is better in most cases but I think 60%+ hwy, I would go diesel 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork keep in mind most people keep a vehicle for 3 years or less. Unless you got the extra funds you might as well go gasser.
@@fattie2550 that’s were the diesel shines is resale value.
You should try find new 2.7 high output and compare to those trucks you test drove
Something a lot of people don’t consider when comparing diesel to gas is time saved. Time is the most precious commodity we have. Over a three year period a person will spend a lot less time visiting gas stations if they own a diesel vs owning the equivalent gas vehicle. Even if the gas vehicle has a lower sticker price than the diesel, the diesel owner will come out ahead because he can have more time to do other things , such as spending time with loved ones or chasing opportunities. Time isn’t money. Time is infinitely more valuable than money. You can get more money, but you can’t get more time.
Great video, well done. I had a 21 Silverado with duramax and it was amazing on fuel. I averaged about 22 in town and the best was coming down a mountain fully loaded for vacation and it got 34.5 mpg. It was great until a distracted driver destroyed it. Have a 22 Silverado 5.3 now. Great truck, but fuel economy is way less, that’s its only fault. But you don’t buy a pick up looking for good gas mileage.
Cost of diesel fuel vs gas. Cost of diesel truck vs gas. Cost of maintenance is more in a diesel.
If I crunched the numbers properly, the trip cost about 55 cents more with the 5.3L. He showed cost of the diesel option at ~2600 dollars which would require about 90,000 miles to cover the cost of the diesel upgrade for this particular trip.
My best has been 27.5 but I'm heavy footed. Pulls 4500lbs without effort. Love my 20021 AT4 GMC 1500
My 2021 runs the same. Love the truck. 27000miles, 0 issues