Aftermarket Parts Warranty Concerns, How OEM Engineers See Those Parts
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- Let's talk about aftermarket parts. How do they void the warranty? How do OEM engineers look at aftermarket parts? Publisher Tim Esterdahl shares his knowledge on aftermarket parts and how it looks from the OEM engineers point of view.
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Good to hear that engineers are always learning and seeing what's going in the after market but their primary goal is the mass market. An engineer that's a gear-head is a good thing.
Ordering a 25 rst 3.0 Duramax suburban in the fall & already planning on the bigger oil pan and the duel fuel filter set up made right there in NE
Just a few comments about cost savings. I worked with a number of GM engineers for 5 years at the Pontiac Powertrain Division (1993-1997).Specifically, GM was investigating a process that would replace cast iron cylinder bore liners. We had a 5 million dollar grant to assist the GM engineers in the evaluation. GM spent 10 million developing the process then developing a pilot test bed. The bean counters estimated that this new technology would save $1 per cylinder. It was great fun working with some serious and very smart GM engineers and physicists.
Tim, thanks for clarifying the “oil burning” issue as to not measuring oil consumption until after 5000 miles. My aftermarket sequence would be; BANKS IDASH, PPE OIL PAN, PPE ALUMINUM COOLER, PPE TRANSMISSION COOLER. Since I have a 2023 GMC SIERRA with the LZ0 those items would be directly applicable to my truck. Great video.
Those oil and trans coolers do nothing. At most 3 or 4 degrees difference.
@@highball7347for normal driving yes.
But when towing it is and way more than that. My trans temps while towing are 30 deg less and more when under extreme load hills etc
Forgot a delete kit
2 Things I would love to know from the GM Engineers about the oil pan. Windage and if they would actually change the stamping
There is no windage tray of any sort in the factory oil pan
I bought one of the Bouge RV refrigerators last year. I road trip in the desert Southwest and I shoot film. Bad things happen to film when it gets hot. And film costs a fortune now. Bottom line: having a real fridge with a compressor based refrigerant system is awesome. No more ice bags for me.
Always stay within oe spec. If voltage use, or oil/airflow etc remain the same the part should be fine. If they offer larger tires from the factory with 0 other differences I would feel confident going to that size under warranty as well.
I look forward to all your accessories being installed.
GM as do other manufacturers design based on a cost constraint. Your aluminum oil pan or one they may design, will probably cost too much for them to use. Saving $10.00 on a part that’s is used on 100s of thousands of engine equals millions in profits.
That’s an excellent point.
Totally agree. They will cut costs anywhere they can. Like new gm trucks sheet mental is like a tin can now. Breath on it and it will dent.
Agreed. GM has some very smart engineers that can design parts like the nice aftermarket parts Tim plans to install however, GM’s engineers hands are tied due to cost constraints and they end up having to design parts that meet GM’s budget and at the same time design the engine and drivetrain to last up to only a 150,000 mile design life.
Eric, you are correct. If GM spent thousands of hours perfecting every little part the cost of the vehicle would be out of reach. Vehicle manufactures need to be able to produce hundreds of thousands of vehicles profitability, and cost is very important. In 2022 GM (GMC and Chevy combined) sold 754,876 units and if they saved just $150 on one part that's $113,231,400 in savings. That's 113 million dollars in savings!
@Todd Kovalcik do this calculation on oil change intervals when they offer covered maintenance. The down side of less oil changes doesn't catch up with you until warranty, even most extended warranties are over. Manufacturers often have repair concern windows that are over before second buyers or long term owner milage occurs.
On my 18 year old Tundra, I use parts that are from the same O.E.M suppliers that Toyota used to build the truck. Toyota as an example assembles a large portion its trucks from parts sourced from outside vendors - such as Denso. As rule, I try to keep everything close to stock specs.
Denso alternators are great. My 97 Ram had almost 200’000 on it b4 the alternator stopped charging. I had new brushes installed and continued using the alterntor
smart move.
I'm glad that GM switched to Denso for diesel components like the high pressure fuel pump for the 3.0 and 6.6 Duramax engines. I wouldn't even be considering a Chevy with the 3.0 Duramax if it had a CP4 in it. The Bosch stuff is garbage.
I have a different brand cooler. But same thing. I carry it in my truck everywhere, especially in the summer. I ran a dedicated 12v plug for it in the back. Get some leftovers, and won't be home in a while, turn it on and put the food in.
I parked my camper in tent parking and ran it and the cooler with 200v solar and 2 batteries all night. No issues.
Also a neat trick the kids will love, bring it in the house. Set it to just below freezing with water bottles. They move so little that when you shake them, creates an instant slush.
0mg! Love it! You're loving your deisel! Looking forward to these goodies and how they work out for you!
Keep in mind, Engineers design things to meet a certain criteria, whether it be budget or fitment constraints, that doesn't mean they design the BEST parts.
We know the manufacturers don't know everything because if they did they would put some cool stuff on their trucks, especially when it comes to suspension, tires, and wheels. I do believe GM does it best from the factory in terms of those three items but there is a lot of room for improvement. If you charge 100k for a truck, it should come with the best of everything.
Tim, thanks for another lighthearted video.
Tim, Demonworks has a great video on the oil pan that's a real eye opener. I can't believe how much oil remains at the bottom of the pan even after draining. To me this is a big miss by GM as the contaminants that fall to the bottom of the pan remain there due to the design of the oil drain. Being able to total drain the oil pan and any contaminants to me is a critical part of engine longevity. It is the same as putting in new oil but leaving the old filter full of the dirtiest oil untouched.
Yup, I've been watching his videos. Interesting that we got hit up by the same aftermarket suppliers at the same time!
A majority of OEM drain pans don't drain out completely. I'm really not a fan of the 3.0 Dmax factory pan but I am thankful that at least they didn't use a plastic pan on it.
Great video Tim. The Magnson Moss Act most people dont know about. So this is perfectly done.... Brovo sir..
Can't wait to get your towing experience with the new engine. We are an RV family as well and our 12yr old Ram is getting tired. Really thinking the baby duramax is the way to go and hopefully no changes etc and we can move in that direction next winter. One more towing season for the ole Ram 1500, wish us luck she doesn't blow anything.
Did you install the Ppe trans pan also?
I put in the PPE trans pan, thermal bypass, cooler and larger diff cover and intercooler all at the same time In my 21 3.0 AT4. Made a big difference in cooling while towing.
Next is the engine oil pan.
There is a GM tsb on oil consumption that involves replacing the replacing a glow plug and upgrading the valve cover pan.
I did. It is on another video.
Hey Tim I got the banks I dash kit I love it there is nothing like it out there. I want to get oil pan and other cool stuff. Don’t forget to check for updates on I dash and you need that SD card too!
Loved the video was really good to here we have rights to do after market parts I have always been concerned to do anything extra to void my warranty!
The PPE oil pan is something that interests me very much. I just purchased a 2023 Tahoe with a 3 l diesel. I am looking forward to keeping this vehicle for a long time. My main concern was voiding the warranty with any aftermarket parts that I would bolt to this vehicle. Nice to hear this video and looking forward to whatever you can tell me about that PPE oil pan for the 3 l diesel.
Tim,
Always enjoy your video's. Looking forward to seeing the results when you install the PPE transmission cooler and valve. I just bought a 23 Silverado with the 3.0 LZ0. I haven't towed my trailer yet (snowy winter in Reno NV) but is sure seams like the transmission temperature runs hot, can't imagine what it will be like in July pulling 6500 LBS. of trailer up and down the mountain passes. Thanks so much for the information on the warranties and the attitude of the engineers.
Lots of cool parts Tim. You’ve got a lot of work ahead of you installing them.
The M.M. discussion is a deep rabbit hole. The OEM's all have better lawyers and deep pockets and when it comes to denying warranty the onus is on you to prove that the part didn't cause the failure. Failure analysis is complex and expensive. You're essentially guilty until you prove yourself innocent.
I agree. With the parts Tim is installing, the engine (oil pan) transmission (cooler etc.) and rear end (cover) could all cause GM to void the warranty on pretty much the entire drive train.
Say the engine cam shaft wears out in 20,000 miles. You say it's a manufacturing fault that should be covered by the warranty. GM says the engine oiling system was modified with a different oil pan and anything the oil touches is no longer under warranty. Now you have to prove the oil pan didn't cause the problem. How much time, effort and lawyers fees do you think that would take?
@@Mark-zi4dd I don’t agree with you, the manufacturer’s also have common sense and there’s no way an engine oil pan will void a warranty, if anything it should extend the warranty because additional oil is giving you more protection to all the internal engine components.
The only way and oil pan could void the warranty is for example it was made out of plastic and it failed and all your oil leaked out then causing your engine to lock up due to no oil
This is such a misnomer. Lawyers cost money and it's a lot more cost effective to pay warranty and even good will repairs than roll the dice and likely lose in a court. Even if a manufacturer "wins" the lost time, paying engineers, management, programmers, to provide testimony instead of working isn't worth it. The manufacturer in the end loses money over a few hundred dollars in parts and maybe $1,500 in labor for a repair. Heaven forbid during deposition the failure is safety related and it's discovered tens of thousands of units are affected.
What about the text in MM that says the manufacturer or dealer has to prove it was the aftermarket part. Why is the onus on the consumer when the law says otherwise?
@Mike Knape all the OEM has to do is dispute it. They have better lawyers than most consumers.
Why would anyone have warranty concerns modifying a vehicle? I put a blower on an LS2 GTO, and I never expected GM to honor any warranty on the drive train. If I produce a product, and the purchaser modifies it, then they're on their own.
Well if something catastrophic happens that wasn't your fault, you're going to be spending big money on a lawyer to fight the warranty denial. If it doesn't go your way, you'll need a new engine. A 3.0 Duramax replacement engine is going to probably cost $10k plus the labor to install it. At least with LS stuff, if you destroy the engine, the aftermarket is so affordable and rich with options that it's a much smaller loss. The exception being vehicles with the latest ECU's that are locked up tight.
Don’t install the diff cover. Watch the Video Gale Banks put out.
Those videos that Banks put out don’t apply to all the differential covers out there in the market. It is unfortunate that Gale Banks likes to market his products by bashing, all other manufacturers that try to compete with his products.
@@MarkSmith-cz3byyes it may not apply to every other cover out there. But his series is pretty comprehensive about the design elements that drive the issues he found and someone can certainly look at an aftermarket diff cover and ask themselves if his findings might apply to that part or not.
I don’t see what he does as bashing either. He’s performing a detailed engineering analysis and the results are what they are. If you think his analysis is flawed or biased that’s a different story.
Tim, I’m one of those automotive engineers that watches your channel albeit I’m now retired. I do have something I want to share with your channel, and that is about the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. While it is true, they have to prove your after-market part(s) caused the issue one is seeking warranty service for, it isn’t that easy. The service people only have to say you have after-market parts installed on your vehicle and tell you your warranty is void and mark it in the computer. Not all service departments are like this but many are. Now the burden is on you to take the manufacture to court and have them prove the after-market part was the root cause. This can get very expensive for the vehicle owner. If the owner wins, they can also recover court and legal representation costs.
On another note, the Weight Safe 180 does not have a built-in scale. You need Weight Safe’s traditional drop hitches to get the scale. Also, depending on the drop-down length and the position on the drop hitch, the lower ball can end up dragging the roadway on steep driveways, etc.
Thanks Robert. I can see your point on the dealer service department. It is a gray area for sure with some dealers service departments and trust me, I get emails about it all the time.
On the 180, lesson learned. I shipped it I back and am awaiting the other one with the built-in scale.
Love this video.
Good video more products please!
I used a fridge like that in my bedroom for about a year. Same brand.
change the oil pan and trans cooler
When I worked for Toyota as a tech and customers did there own maintenance. Make sure you keep all your receipts. I’d say the engine seizes and it’s still under warranty. And if you tell Toyota you do your own maintenance they will ask for receipts. Or they will say they won’t cover it. Also my best friend a Kia says they are the same way.
One of my favorite things I love about your channel is the fact that you have such a good relationship with all the engineers. It's something that no one else has and is worth its weight in gold.
As for all the aftermarket parts, I say you chose practicality over flash. (Which is what I would do) The only true aftermarket part that I installed was a aluminum thermostat housing to replace the OEM one that was made from three pieces that were glued and screwed together.
I can't wait to see how the truck turns out.
A fake relationship that doesn't exist or he would say names and have them on camera.
@@billgatesc1072 Believe what you want.
@@Gene1969 I do, I believe the facts and I just told you the facts.
@@billgatesc1072 Your above/original comment is opinion and not fact. It is conjecture that he would name names and have them on camera if they existed. You did not take in other circumstances of why they may not want to be named or on camera.
@Gene 3067 as a gm engineer and a gm tech of 40+ years it's a fact. I can't help you not understand.
If someone made a transmission dipstick tube for the Ram 1500 8 speed to make life easier when doing the transmission fluid &filter change as recommended by ZF every 60-80k miles that’d be better and less hassle than the standard service procedure. They put the fill plug right next to the exhaust🙄
And now Ram decided the new I6 Hurricane doesn't need a dipstick, which is very suspicious. I have no faith in a digital display telling me my oil level.
That bed slider makes the Multi Flex tail gate "almost" worthless and the power up/down standard tailgate the premium tail gate!
I wish we had the same laws in Canada. Almost a relief I am out of warranty, no longer have to deal with the dealers service department, and now I can do whatever I want with my truck.
This was my question. Does Canada have the same law?
@@curtissmith5556 For sure no they don't. No lemon law, no magnusson moss for aftermarket. A guy on the hockey team who worked at the dealer, was claiming you couldn't even change your own oil. Which I think is false, but you need a log book and receipts, and the dealer would surely still try to deny warranty. It's a little ridiculous up here compared to USA.
i notice i never see anyone doing bypass oil filters. I had a Amsoil one I was going to put on my 21 L5P but that truck turned out to be a lemon. So its sitting in the shop and im looking for the filter thread size to get a remote filter adapter. Just bought a new left over 22 refresh LM2.
It was really smart for the engineers to have a belt driven oil pump rather a chain or better yet have a crankshaft driven oil pump like the 6.6 dmax but wait gm will do anything to cut cost
Ironic you whine about the oil pump belt that's good for 200k+ miles while Ford's 10-speed transmission pump's gear drive is causing all kinds of problems. I bet a lot of 10-speed owners would go for a belt drive when their 10-speed starts grinding up gears.
Hello is somebody ordered a Chevy trk an LT with leather seating is the same grade would be the same leather in an Chevy Silverado LTZ or even high country different grades ??? Thanks
It’s interesting you speak of NPD and Lawyer’s. I happen to know that this is a thing in many industries. Lawyers like to CYA. (Marketing just writes the stuff). So even though an engineer may design something to perform at a certain level. A lawyer will ask what the minimum level (or in this case the maximum) is so as to place that as the level something should be “min/max” at on paper; if that makes sense. It’s not that they aren’t talking to each other, it’s just the Titanic effect in play. Sure the Titanic should have survived an iceberg strike. We all know it didn’t. The difference was what would have been the minimum reason to take that ship down. Let’s put that in the manual. So that’s why you see the difference in the manual vs. TSB.
OEM engineers have to balance performance (drivability), durability and cost. It's a system trade space analysis. Rest assured that GM could install a bigger tranny cooler, lines, etc., but they spend quite a bit of effort optimizing the design. i.e. getting the transmission quickly up to an optimal temp for fuel economy and drivability. I am an engineer and love modify my vehicles, but I do not change things that negatively effect the overall vehicle. Most aftermarket companies have zero engineering capabilities in house and are using their customers as beta testers.
Do you wonder if the Peddle Monster will add more soot and more regens ? i can see it on a gas engine ,not sure on a diesel .
I do. That’s one of my questions for sure.
The pedal monster will absolutely add more soot load to the DPF, and increase the fuel consumption because of the throttle response input being much quicker to the engine computer, which then will deliver fuel faster than what the turbo can provide air to make a clean complete combustion event
That cooler is really cool.😂 Please follow up on how it works. Does Banks make full tune for that engine?
I’d have to double check on a Banks tune. Honestly these companies offer so many things, it is hard for me to keep track.
I would like to know if it was a GM engineer or a Ford engineer that designed the pump on the 10 speed transmission. I have some choice words for them.
Ford designed the 10-speed longitudinal transmission in exchange for GM designing the 9-speed transverse transmission (Ford cost-cut the 9-speed to make it an 8-speed). Not sure why they didn't use a chain like the 8L90, but then again, people whine about the 3.0 Dmax's oil pump belt and insist it should have been gear-driven. If it worked as well as the 10-speeds pump, I'll take the belt drive, thanks.
That oil filter what are the specs?
As a gm tech going on 43 years, 100% of the parts you are installing will void the warranty. The pedal moder will 10000% void engine and trans warranty. The diff cover will 10000% void the diff warranty. The engine oil pan will 10000% void engine warranty. The trans thermostat will 10000% void transmission warranty. Good luck have fun and get deep pockets you will need them.
Sounds like you are working for an unethical dealership that doesn’t know the laws.
Banks did a huge diff cover test. I really learned alot for engineering and troubleshooting. Not sure if you saw it, enjoy.. the link
th-cam.com/play/PLwtmrqcWzLtQR9riOg8mizIEj-UX4WBBm.html
Gm has deep pockets. You will definitely have no warranty.
@Mark Smith sounds like I'm following gm rules not the dealership
Of course he's going to say that he works for them
Tim, do you know how much it would cost for repairs or replacement on the emission system?
Depends on the part.
@@Pickuptrucktalk thanks I learned with you videos a lot , and I decide and bought today trail boss 2023 3.0 duramax I hope this truck can last 10 years or more . Thanks 🙏 Tim
Not all products are an improvement, some are just gimmicks. Need tested products like Banks dif cover.
You need a truck cap to go with that bed slide. And invest in a rooftop tent for camping
The tent might void the GM factory warranty, at least, according to some of these TH-camr commenters, since the tent would be also considered an aftermarket part.
would the oil pan change the dipstick levels?
If it was deeper than yes. This isn’t any deeper than a stock oil pan.
No - the dipstick comes in from the top of the engine. The pan adds capacity (by expanding the bottom of the sump) but the levels for full and add should stay the same. Even if the pan was deeper, the dipstick levels would be the same.
Go find the banks rear diff cover video, and you will toss that in the trash. Extra fluid isn’t a good thing for the diff
Dose a diesel fuel fill cap void the warranty?
You only void the warranty if the part can be traced to an aftermarket part. I don’t see a diesel fuel fill cap affecting the truck in such a way to cause damage. Do you?
Go watch the banks testing of all the extra capacity diff covers. Most made temps and lubricated worse
so will the ppe oil pan void? i want it
Nope.
I think the GM eng. are restricted on cost more, than how well something works. GM bean counters are not going to allow a more expensive oil pan if the original "cheaper" design works just fine. Eng hands are tied.
I wish we have similar law in Saudi Arabia , most of dealers “ driven also by manufacturers” will void your warranty once you have your car service done outside the stealer ship ! Only one service will void it , only on dealership “Toyota” will prove it then void it.
Does this law apply to north American vehicles purchased in Canada?
I don’t believe it does.
Oil is used by engines, period. Valve guides weep oil and wiping oil film on cylinders by rings that is lost in small amounts. Combustion residue gain offsets oil lost. Years back I worked on fleet vehicles that used CNG. The oil never browned in these vehicles, it grayed faintly from metal wear like oil in a diff or manual trans. And the oil had no odor. These engines used a quart in 2500-3000 miles. The price of the fuel went up so they flipped the switches and burned gasoline and oil consumption went to being a quart down at 6000 miles when oil was changed. The 6000 mile drained oil was dark and nasty and had that stink we are used to when it is drained.
Manufactures engineer parts to a price point. They know they can design it better but at a cost. When the manufacture is in competition, every penny savings counts.
You're 100% correct.
How can anyone at GM miss that the current oil pan doesn’t completely empty?
It's actually pretty common these days. A lot of factory oil pans don't drain completely.
@@karlschauff7989 I wish they would install a drain plug for the transmission, it would make it easier to service. I had an Allison transmission in my ‘02 Silverado that had a transmission drain plug and a spin off oil filter, that was nice.
If GM thought this is useful, they will just make their oil pan larger. There is no patent on a 5 qt. oil pan to a 7 qt. oil pan. I still didn't hear whether you used 1 or 2 qts. per 5 thousand miles? My 6.2 gas engine uses more oil when I use it to pull a trailer with some weight.
Tim, are you doing these mods yourself?
A few. Others I’ll see if the dealer can install.
looks like tim is going to be busy in his garage installing all that stuff.
have you seen banks's video on diff covers? Banks is best
I have. Not sure I agree.
Name of catalog please!
Oh sorry. That’s the PPE catalog. I got three copies!
Modify after your warranty is up and spare yourself. Yes, the Act can help you, but be prepared to go to court. My brother practices law in this arena. In fact, his 34th year in practice doing nothing but vehicle cases... Like a few others in the comments, I am an engineer and have been wrenching as an enthusiast for almost 50 years now. In my opinion, more than half the bolt-on "performance products" are gimmicks and unnecessary! When you really build a performance vehicle, it is a designed system - I've done so in race, off-road, and restomods. Bolt-ons with their performance claims are always exaggerated because the testing is under ideal conditions versus real-world mixed use. That said, in warranty refusals, you're not ever dealing with the automotive engineers. You're dealing with layers of bureaucracy that begin at a whole different level. Wait till your warranty is up or be OK with paying $12K for a Cummins long block and another $6K for the install or $6.5K for a GM Allison plus install, for instance. Put the time and money into a hot rod or off road build versus your new $$$ vehicle. I get it it, I used to modify everything, even had a twin-turboed L35 when it first came out that killed Syclones and Vettes alike, but learning and reflecting back, money and time is better spent on my '36, '37, and '55 Chevrolets, my Scout, etc. Another data point I offer is that my 2015 RAM 3500 Cummins/AISIN/4.10 crew cab, long bed dually is exclusively a tow vehicle for my car hauler and 45' fifth wheel with 165K on it. With the exception of an additional inline fuel filter, powertrain and emissions is stock. I rigidly maintain the truck, and send the fluids out for analyses when changed. Close friend has the identical truck, emissions stock because cannot otherwise in this State, has more than $6K of "performance" bolt ons from a big name under hood, the monster, a ludicrously expensive diff cover, and an assortment of "must have to bulletproof" items including aftermarket lubricants and diesel additives. Yes, leaving brands out but you can read between the lines. He tows a toy hauler equal to my trailers within a thousand pounds and 110 pounds on the pin. He's had the rear rebuilt twice, the emissions system failed ($$$$$$), the AISIN replaced due to heat damage, and now the Cummins has a blown head gasket. He has 79K on his 2015!!! It's a darn expensive "bulletproof" truck.
You will have to get a high dollar lawyer and if you win they pay all of your lawyer bills.
"How many Beers Can a Beer-Drinker, Drink...If a Beer-Drinker Could Drink Beer?" Hmmmm..
That oil pan will create windage, and more oil capacity is only an advantage for b extending oil changes, otherwise it takes longer to heat up.
if aftermarket parts were so great and safe why does manufacturers spend hundreds of millions of dollars to test their parts and crash test them according to the strict rules set by the federal government instead of just going out and buy aftermarket parts and use those and save a boatload of money? why are consumers not told when an aftermarket part has a recall like the manufacturers have to? i've had many lawyers and repair shop specialist tell me DO NOT put aftermarket, or junk yard parts on your car especially if it's a luxury car.
Huh? Aftermarket is working WITH OEMs these days. Look around at new trucks on the market. They are filled with aftermarket parts and automakers are proudly showing them off.
@@Pickuptrucktalk are you saying a company like Lexus is using parts built by a company that does not follow its strict guidelines and testing requirements set by the federal government on their new cars? aren't aftermarket parts much cheaper than O.E.M and that's why insurance companies want to use them? is a company like Lexus using aftermarket parts to build their new cars and charging consumers a high price for luxury when the car is actually no more special than a cheap Hyundai or the like? I will definitely ask ford why are they putting aftermarket parts on their NEW trucks and charging O.E.M. high prices from their plant. I've seen many videos that show that aftermarket parts were NEVER identical to the O.E.M. why would a company like Lexus or ford spend millions of dollars crash testing their cars and using high quality steel and other metals and non metals when they can just go buy after market parts that are NOT tested to the same standard or have to follow the rules set by the federal government, nor use high quality material? thanks.
@@KevinP32270 I think you are confusing aftermarket parts with replacement OEM parts as well as genuine OEM parts. Lots of differences there.
Automakers use a variety of parts on all their vehicles. For example, Ford loves to use FOX shocks on their trucks. They proudly display they are using FOX shocks. Ram uses a special Bilstein shock which they display on the shock and on their website. Those are aftermarket parts.
Replacement OEM parts are the Chinese knock-off parts.
Genuine OEM parts are built to the same standard as OEM parts.
Crash testing and safety standards are tested on the WHOLE vehicle. So when Ford puts FOX shocks on their truck, Ford says they met those specs.
You are likely seeing videos of a knock-off part versus an OEM part and not an aftermarket part vs an OEM part. Aftermarket parts do NOT replace OEM parts. Like the oil pan in this video. It “seems” to replace the OEM part, but it isn’t a replacement part. It is an aftermarket part built differently than a stock part. That’s your big key difference.
Hope that clears things up.
@@Pickuptrucktalk thanks. I learned something new today.
If you’re only keeping the truck one year why are you spending so much money to modify it?
Companies send me things.
@Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk send them to me Tim!
GM really screwed up with the oil drain plug on the stock engine oil pan IMHO. PPE fixed that issue which I really like so you can get a COMPLETE oil drain, but I don't want to add another 2 quarts to an already expensive oil change on my 3.0. Would be great if they also had a stock capacity (7 qt) option...
Normally I like your vids but honestly this was a 4 minute video stretched to 18 for product advertisements.
Oil pan and diff cover are horrible ideas. You will need a new oil pick up for that aftermarket pan if you want your engine to not starve for oil. As stated before banks did a video some time ago to keep your stock diff cover. Aftermarket takes the fluid splash away from the gears. You will probably need a new dipstick for that pan. Knock yourself out.
Watch the video again more closely you will see that the aftermarket oil pan is not really any deeper than the factory pan. It gains the additional 2 quarts of oil by being wider and more space efficient than the factory oil pan. Therefore, you do not need a new dipstick.
The factory oil pan is just a steel stamping which really limits shape and how big the pan can be.
The aftermarket pan is a casting which allows for more complex shapes and better space utilization, therefore more oil capacity
I beg you to ask an engine builder if an aftermarket oil pan is a good idea? If you're only adding capacity without a windage tray, you'll be splashing oil where it doesn't belong. And no matter what, you have to verify the pick up sump is in exactly the correct height.
Along with a windage tray, there should be an oil baffle in the aftermarket pan. Stamped steel pans dent when they come in contact with a foreign object. Cast aluminum cracks and shatters on impact. Not my truck, do as you will.
@@bobcook8576 first of all the GM 3.0 L Duramax does not have a windage tray in the lower oil pan, the windage tray is in the crankshaft skirt area above the factory GM pan therefore, no aftermarket Pan should have a windage tray in it either.
I think you were thinking of an old 1960s or 70s engine that would typically have a windage tray built-in to the oil pan
@@bobcook8576 stamped aluminum oil pans, do dent and also tear open as I have experienced this on a mountain road. When I went around the corner, and there was a rock in the middle of the road. It ripped a gash in my oil pan which incapacitated my vehicle.
The aftermarket pan that Tim will be installing according to PPE’s specifications on their website is
made out of A356 T6 heat treated aluminum, which is very strong and flexible therefore considerably less prone to damage by road hazards compared to a stamped aluminum pan.
You should stay away from legal advise. You are correct in some aspects but completely wrong in others in your incorrect interpretation of MMWA. It’s easy when it comes to consumables. Not so much when it’s the bolt on products that could be considered parts of the emissions system.
One suggestion: more camera time on the trucks and products and less time on you. Seems lik 80%of the video is on you.
From the guy who struggled installing a step? 😜
At 1M subscribers, I hear they send checks instead of parts.
I’ve heard of them sending checks as well as product.
@@Pickuptrucktalk lol... Move over Tim. I'm gonna start my new channel "Pickup Truck Plus Suv for Realz".