@@southhedge73yes, it's totally "off" now. And my 30 years of science teaching feels like it went down the gurgler. What happened to science is about facts, debating new ideas, open discussion and rational thought etc 😢
@@carolynbrightfield8911 This way of 'thinking' conducted by some of these people is obviously anti intellectual but I think it is also anti hierarchical. I once had a guy I knew tell me that his opinion (based off the reading of a magazine article) of a subject was equal to and just as valid as the opinion of someone who had studied that subject for several years. 😐
As do I unless They're talking about archery, darts, shooting, crokinole, or some other skill based competition. But running, jumping, swimming, judo, karate, MMA, cycling? Just no. unfair. Just make an open division for trans people to compete in. Done, fair.
Yep. Example: Why can't a female compete against male motocross riders? Because even if she could handle a motorcyle like Jeremy McGrath, it would absolutely destroy her pelvic floor and possibly cause a uterine prolapse. We are different not only outside, but inside.
@@loganmiller4863I believe men even have a competitive edge in some of those “skill based” sports you mentioned. In archery, for example, men consistently score higher than women in competition, but I don’t know the biological reasons for this.
I suspect that any woman who says this has no interest in competitive sports and doesn't see why any woman would. She's prepared to sacrifice what is hugely important to some women simply because she wants to look virtuous. She's also extremely naive if she thinks no man who claims to be a woman is any danger to women.
I'd go one further and say that you can't even know what it is to be any other man. You only have your experience of manhood and you have no way of comparing it with others' experiences. Therefore we should dispense entirely with the argument that feelings mean anything substantive and focus on the real world of biology.
They dont. They will never know what it feels like to have excruciating cramps from 11 years old or younger and bleed from a vagina. Then they will never know what it feels like to get pregnant. Period. These Woman are a disgrace to all Women. Disgusts me the brainwashing. Which this type of confusion has destroyed civilizations. History repeats.
Everything about males and females is different. Our sex organs of course but also our skeletons, our musculature, tendons and ligaments, our brains function differently, our emotions are predictably different. You cannot “feel” like a woman unless you are. You may have a fetish about having a vagina or wearing women’s clothes but you can’t possibly “feel” like a woman unless you are female. That said, it should be a persons choice to wear clothes typically associated with women or makeup or whatever else you feel like donning but you are the sex you are and there is no changing that. You can be whatever type of male you want to be or whatever type of female you want to be but you are in fact that sex and you can’t change it.
Watching these 4 adults grapple with understanding and making sense of these questions leads me to the conclusion that this is not a question or decision that we should be giving to children. If adults can’t understand it how on earth do we expect children to. This is a very dangerous experiment that can only lead to mind bending confusion.
Lol. Yeah that sums up most of these conversations Peter has with people. It's obvious most people don't work through the logic of their positions until someone else does it for them.
@@OmnipotentJC Yeah. In light of all the evidence showing that people do not use rationality to form their values, it’s kind of weird that people in the rationalist community continue advocating for a rationalist approach to politics. Seems to be the rational thing to do would be to accept that most people are by and large irrational in this area of their lives, and to use a more emotional approach to achieve our goals.
I think they mostly post rationalise things to fit whatever evidence they like, but its rarely the true reason they hold the beleif to start with, I think it mostly comes from a moral position, "being compassionate to trans people is what good people do, and I want to be a good person", anything that disagrees with that gets thrown by the wayside
@@jeffcapes There’s overwhelming evidence that shows this to be the case. That’s why I personally believe reason is a good way of persuading people, but emotional appeals are better.
Peter, could you start asking people how long they have had these opinions? Because I'm sure these grown adults did not have these beliefs even 5 years ago.
Those two women are absolutely terrified when giving an answer to a question that their fellow cult members haven't drilled into them yet. They know if they say one thing that can be even misconstrued as "problematic" they will be heretics and their lives ruined via cancellation or even physically harmed.
The problem is that so many people have never actually thought about it for themselves. That’s why the one lady sounded so confused: because she was trying to explain what she’s been told is “correct” and has never actually thought about whether it actually makes sense or not.
Sex is not "assigned" at birth. It is simply "observed" or "noted" at birth. If gender is fluid, but biological sex is fixed by nature, why must biological sex be transformed unnaturally to mimic the opposite sex when one's gender identity doesn't match one's biological sex. It seems to make more sense to simply ask society to accept those biological males who are more effeminate than others and those biological females who are more masculine than others. Regarding those who say they "feel like" the gender that is opposite their biological sex, I don't know how this is even possible. In reality, none of us actually know what anyone outside of our own body feels, let alone what those in bodies of the opposite biological sex feels. I know what it feels like to be me, but I can't honestly say that all other biological males experience life as I do. I know that women are different than men, but I've never experienced life as a woman, so I don't know how I would possibly have a clue about how "being a woman" feels. It's nothing more than conjecture, really. And it's unlikely there will ever be a way to change one's chromosomes or DNA. If one puts Ferrari rims on a Chevy, it's still a Chevy. One cannot change their sex. Period. End of story.
Your common sense and logical reasoning make sense to most of us but for the select few that experience gender dysphoria they are unable to grasp the reality of their biological sex. Biological sex is one of the most binary things there is in nature, everything else is a continuum. No matter how strong the desire to have the genitals and secondary sexual characteristics of another gender, no amount of self-claiming, hormonal injections or any amount surgery will ever change your fix biological sex.
@@paulmaloney2383 Well-stated. That doctors are so willingly transitioning children will, most certainly, go down in history as one of America's worst crimes.
As a 64 year old woman who were subjected to all the unfair advantage to men, I am astounded that we are expected to give up so much of our wins. Just like that, women sport is back to extreme discrimination. Any fool knows that a man is stronger/faster than a woman physically. All a man now has to do is to say they identify as a woman and they are guaranteed to win with far less effort and talent. Plus they win the financial benefits in prizes. That a young woman would think that is a good move, sickens me. We have lost the plot as humanity. I hope this is a temporary condition. If not, we are screwed.
Exactly! Women fought for single sex bathrooms to be added at work because there was so much sexual assault in shared bathrooms, women were just holding it for 12 hours which was physically damaging. Young women these days act like it's no big deal to just let some men back into those spaces, like they've forgotten the suffering of our ancestors 😢
Dude has a trans kid that he helped to medicalize, or a dysphoric close friend that he failed to help. There has to be a back-story to generate such anger.
It amazes me how quickly this pervasive idea that sex is "assigned" at birth has developed. It's like it appeared overnight and every person under a certain age just accepts it as an incontrovertible fact now.
Because it is pushed down from the top,.systemically. these are mostly normal people trying to conform to what is taught as best practice. Their confusion and discomfort are the goal. How far can we be pushed to assert what we know is not true?
I would like to point out that not a single time did these girls even acknowledge or attempt to consider his primary argument which was chromosomes. A 50 minute conversation and not ONE SINGLE TIME did they confront his primary argument or acknowledge it’s implication in the determination of sex.
It’s so sad that the young woman has had her notion of what a woman is reduced to if there is a hole between a person’s legs, no matter how it got there
@lovesilk1 a woman is- and can only ever be - an adult human being who was born biologically female. A man can never be a woman - in any way, shape or form.
If anything, it’s “gender identity assigned at birth”. Conceptually, that makes sense to me. The activist types want to focus on sex though, because they want health insurance to pay for sex, reassignment surgery. If the focus were on gender, it has a lot less weight in the healthcare systems.
@@SeaTeaSnow gender identity is made up. It is not assigned at birth. At best you can assert that social constructs play a role in sex/gender stereotypes. This is a far cry from what the gender theory crowd assert.
Agreed. the reason for this term is that trans ideologists picked it so they could push their narrative. Avoid playing on the enemies chosen field of battle. Seriously, all of us fighting this nonsense could stand to reread Art of War.
I have never met a trans woman who actually knows what it means to be a woman. They think it's about wearing makeup, heels and dresses. I never wear those things but I am a woman. Every trans woman I have met still acts, talks, and moves like a man.
It's a feeling, an essence, an energy. It's the way they see themselves and interact with the world. That's how I've heard them talk. Menno calls it "gender woo. "
You can tell they’ve never thought deeply about this. It’s just statements they’ve heard. I’m amazed how they don’t realize “gender” is just what liberals of the past used to call “gender roles”. He even briefly mentioned this in the video when he said “sex based stereotypes”. This is what some people call sex based expression. It accounts for people not conforming to gender norms without having to bend reality in a religious belief that we can be born in the wrong bodies therefore must treat a man like a woman and ignore biology.
Exactly. That girl absolutely knows that her boyfriend could easily overpower her but still denies it to be "kind". It wouldn't even matter to her if all womens sports would collapse. Maybe bc she hadn't done a situp in the last 5 years. 🤔
@@justmy2cents652 while their “being kind” biological males are destroying the hopes & dreams (also safety & fairness ) of young girls (biological females) in sports alone. Where I live we have biological males in prison for very very serious crimes with with who didn’t pay their TV license. Sometimes their lick up for 23 hours a day for “their safety” This ideology is a danger to women & children. Especially gender non conforming kids.
@@justmy2cents652 The problem is that when we talk about "women's sports" we're usually talking about "men's sports done by women" in which men will naturally outperform any woman. In actual women's sports like synchronized swimming there isn't even a men's category in the Olympics and I don't see anyone crying about it because men are clearly inferior at it. I tend to think that getting rid of sex categories in professional sports would actually improve women's sports and new ones would emerge.
@@Dan_Capone I'm guessing every woman who is active in sports which you would call "men's sports" would disagree. And I think it is misogynistic nonsense to limit women to activities like gymnastics and synchronized swimming. Why is it so hard to accept/understand that in some spaces it is just a nobrainer to seperate via sex? Now we should forbid women to do certain sports bc men have an advantage in those? Seriously?!
The girls start out by saying that sex and gender are different, and then spend the entire time arguing that sex and gender are the exact same thing. They don't seem to understand what they believe at all.
You can hear the lack of conviction in their voice as they defend their shaky position. It's almost like they understand what they are spouting doesn't make sense and falls apart under the simplest questioning but are scared to say the wrong thing and offending people. Also I lost it at "it's a hole", way to boil down a whole subset of humanity to such a flippant definition.
These are what are called liberal feminists, and liberal feminism is the cancer of feminism, they believe in this gender nonsense, “fat positivity”, the idea that “sex work”(their sterilized politically correct word for prostitution) is empowering for women, and a bunch of other nonsense. It’s misogyny sold as feminism.
That's the point, they don't believe it. They're just afraid of offending someone. By extension it gives everyone an excuse to do anything they want. I support your crazy ideas so now you have to support my crazy ideas. What's coming is the normalization of pedophilia.
I think they had a false sense of confidence because they heard terms like “assigned at birth” on repeat in class and on tv. I doubt they ever had any challenge on the beliefs that were served to them and that’s why they had no idea about the holes in their logic regarding the holes between their legs.
To add to the conversation, I’m a university professor facing dismissal because I once compared a chemical reaction between two inanimate molecules and a non-human hermaphrodite such as an earthworm, and this was taken as insulting to intersex people. It’s hard to comprehend this level of idiocy within our higher educational system.
It continues to amaze me how many people are completely oblivious to the biological definition of sex as a reproductive role. It's not determined by secondary characteristics like chromosomes or genetalia; sex is determined by an organism's potential to produce either large, immobile gametes (eggs) or small, mobile gametes (sperm). The former individuals are - by definition - female, and the latter are - by definition - male. And unless there is some highly advanced gene editing method that I'm unaware of, there is *no* possible way to change one's sex and start producing the opposite gamete type. As Helen Joyce once put it, it's not just the breasts and vagina and estrogen that makes her a female... *every single cell* of her body carries that reproductive role.
And the hole they fashion is for penetration only, reducing the vagina to something that simply provides pleasure for others...it's unbelievably offensive.
Boggled my mind. Has basic science class content been altered??? Maybe this is the root cause of the COMPLETE IDIOCY and confusion these people are spouting. They did alter the definition of "vaccine" to include "gene therapy" in 2020. Just goes to show ANYTHING can be changed and you won't even realise till the next generation is talking bullshit in the streets
how is this different from chromosomes? Would it be incorrect to say that only a person with XX chromosomes has the potential to produce large, immobile gametes (eggs) ?
I was under the impression that sperm is just produced by the testies and eggs are from the ovary. I suppose I never gave the time to think about if it were possible to transplant them into someone else. And if you did transplant it to the opposite sex, would the body know what to do with it?
Logical? Sure. But even biological arguments. They started off defining sex accurately ("biologically a male or female") and then spent the rest of the discussion controverting their own definition by equivocating.
I really hate how much misinformation has been pumped out on this topic that there are people who actually think, or at least say, that you can change your sex 😒 And what's more concerning is that these people get to vote. I can't have a basic conversation with people who think like this because they are just so misinformed that I have to spend the entire time educating them on basic facts while they stumble through regurgitating the nonsense they heard from some trans activist or in gender/queer studies.
The way that your average person now thinks that sex is assigned at birth rather than observed, because they've heard the former so many times in recent years but never stopped for a second to think about the meaning of that phrase, is flabbergasting. To the best of my knowledge the phrase sex assigned at birth was coined by John Money when working with intersex patients (because they actually were assigned a sex because they couldn't confirm their sex through observation). That some of those people will then berate you for being transphobic when they don't even understand what transsexualism is is scary.
I kinda think this is the default state humans occupy. Pick anyone out of a crowd, and with the right questions you'll find the bullshit they think is true. And many beliefs are so intertwined with either someone's worldview or their sense of personal identity, that presenting them with facts and logic isn't going to educate them like it would for someone else. That's because they're not taking your information or reasoning onboard to be processed and reflected on as if it was valid. In their conscious reality, truth and bullshit swap places. It's seriously like an acute hyper-local insanity. It can be literally impossible for people to see the truth for what it is, even when perfectly showcased and put right in front of their face. Their brain straight up wont let them see it. This is every human... and we have our evolution to thank for it..😖
Indeed, you should try sharing a State with these people who have re-elected Daniel Andrews the criminal tyrant who legislatively imposed teaching this perverted pseudoscientific ideology upon children in our schools as well as enforcing the longest and harshest lockdowns anywhere in the world. This used to be Australia's most conservative state believe it or not. Six months on from the election the State is totally bankrupt, the laughing-stock of the rest of Australia and now the entire British Commonwealth after their totalitarian cult leader cancelled the Commonwealth Games two weeks ago. Sigh of sighs my once beautiful State of Victoria has been utterly destroyed by poisonous wokeness.
A minor nitpick to be sure, but don’t fall into the linguistic traps being laid down… there is no such thing as “misinformation.” One can be misinformed, but the word “misinformation” is an invention, just like the term “conspiracy theory” specifically designed to shut down discourse.
@@stvbrsn, the phrase ‘conspiracy theory’, and the word ‘misinformation’, both existed long before they were intentionally imbued with a tone of derisive mockery, in order to discredit believers. Regardless of tone, some conspiracy theories are correct, and misinformation certainly exists - usually spread by those who doth protest it too much.
The girl with the sunglasses - is in DENIAL. She can't admit her FAILED LOGIC. Just really shameful. If she's telling the truth - i'm REALLY afraid for the future.
She INFURIATED ME!! With her argument that you could actually change your sex and no empathy for a man in a car accident or questioning a botched surgery (WHICH HAPPENS ALL THE TIME)
You can honestly hear her realize how terrible her stance is as it’s torn to shit further along in the video …but she reduces to admit defeat while the timidness in her voice exposes her failed logic. It’s kind of funny.
@@MarkMeraji most people don't change their opinion on the spot. Hopefully she's going to challenge her stances and come to a new idea, but she might just get stuck in her bubble and double down after that.
The hope is that she will realize later the foolishness and inconsistency of her statements. It’s very hard to rewire one’s worldview within a single conversation. Never give up on people. Build golden bridges.
Yeah, and the fact that they lack the reasoning tools (despite seeming reasonably intelligent/educated) to understand exactly how FLAWED their logic is is very concerning. Lots of people just don't know HOW to think anymore.
Yes, like two naughty monkeys who have found a saw and are now avidly taking turns enthusiastically sawing away at the very branch they're standing upon while a lion sits calmly basking in the sun at the foot of the tree awaiting the delivery of his midday meal that will be the sole inevitable outcome of such ill-conceived adventurism. Survival of the fittest in slow-motion.
Do you think the conservatives that have taken the opposite side are actually fighting for women's rights? When historically they haven't cared about them or they have directly fought against them? I only see people latching onto arguments to further their agenda making it look more positive.
Well, you know the strength of those who support the idea, that's for sure. This particular idea is incredibly weak and incoherent, yet so many self-professed liberals are perfectly willing to overlook the vicious, even violent, suppression of free speech in order to protect the idea from any real scrutiny. It's absolutely mind-boggling.
Ya, observed by bigots, unless they switch the sex to trans, which is the only morally decent sex one can be. You should try it, it's never too late or too early to go full trans & then boom, you're elevated to the highest of high positions from which you may ASSIGN (see what I did there??) all others as bigots.
It was pretty funny how she tripped herself up on that one. She said sex isn’t observed, it’s “assigned.” Then immediately goes on to say it’s “assigned” based on what the doctors see… smh.
sex is determined at the moment of fertilization and it is the sperm that provides the sex chromosome determining M/F. sex can be determined pre implantation IVF or between 6 to 10 weeks into pregnancy depending on the method. This assigned sex at birth concept is rubbish HORMONE LEVELS DO NOT DETERMINE SEX!!!!
@@derekconn9950 I think he probably doesn't do that to allow for the participants to do their own research in order for them to reach their own conclusions which are therefore more "robust" since they thought of them "themselves" (even though they needed A LOT of help).
The far left opperates very much religion, they're scared to say what they think since they'll be shunned by the group. They believe it because they're told they have to. Most of the US is removed from reality if you think about how many are religous.
In these experiments people definitely choose a line that they arent really sure about and cant back up but spew random tangents to try and prove their point. This for the more outrageous people opting for lines that are the woke answers
These 2 women are all over the place. Sex matters, then it doesn't, it can be tested, but it doesn't matter. I mean do they even have a standard they would adhere to?
Leftist drones adjust as the conversation goes, what is true from one moment to the next constantly changes as needed. Nothing is stable (especially their mental state) and nothing is consistent, their entire existence is based on subjective delusional reality.
The standard they adhere to is that that nothing can prevent a man becoming a woman, and that if there is this thing called female and only some women can have it, that is unacceptable. Therefore the meaning of "female" has to change. And then we are forced to use terms like AMAB in situations where the truth is still needed. The truth is so stigmatized that it has to be relegated to the status of an embarrassing mistake.
Interestingly she allowed the person who, after experiencing an accident undergoing genital surgery, to "choose". But the cis guy who underwent a random tragic accident is irrevocably now intersex...
Technically they become intersex or a eunuch. They no longer produce testosterone. That is itself basic biological reality. I think castration complex or fear falls into this for some people. They simply can't accept that it could happen to them and it would change them physically externally and internally. If you aren't producing testosterone it will also effect you mentally and you will be more emotional.
4:56 Is the single best argument for the fact that gender and say are not the same thing. I used to believe in the sex binary, but the gentleman in yellow finally convinced me otherwise.
The fact that took that lady that long to answer that question "are men stronger then women" and it's still answered it wrong. So why do we say men should never hit women.😢
u r seeing editied videos. obviously youtubers wont show their bad clips. it happenns worldwide and for both conservative, libral, centrist, political parties, celebreities etc
This is literally his field of study. Figuring out if people's opinions actually match with that they say their opinions are. He wouldn't study this or do these kinds of experiments if he wasn't passionate about listening to people and hearing their opinions, or so I assume. I personally find these opinions that you label as "ridiculous" especially interesting, because it's fascinating to me to understand people's way of thinking. The opinions that seem reasonable to me or that I agree with are less interesting to me, because they don't offer anything new to my point of view.
It's a mantra you supposed to repeat it until it becomes reality. Indoctrination is on full swing, the rest of us need to get on board. If you don't agree with that then you are label as a bigot and dismissed.
i want this man to come to my university campus in scotland and do this - because jesus christ, my country - and our higher education institutions - needs this
@@drpeterboghossian good to hear! I don’t know how much you know about Scottish politics, but our first minister has said that “Free speech in itself is never an unfettered right,” and has introduced a hate crime bill that includes “offenses of stirring up hatred” which yes, can just refer to just communication with someone that one may consider insulting to a certain characteristic (of course “transgender identity” being one of them). My country has gone insane.
@@TheWorldTeacheror… it could be that you folk just want to redefine everything to fit your emotions. Is language a social construct? Sure. And said language is how we communicate and therefore become civilized. And that only works if it has rules. Otherwise, any gibberish would constitute language yet would provide no communication. If words don’t have a meaning, what’s the point? We should all just go back to grunting and hope there’s no misunderstanding?
@@theycallme_brucewho are "you folk"? Gender is a language construct, masculine, feminine, neuter in some languages. Sex is male/female. Language evolves over time and meanings change. This is why the "progressives" want to change it deliberately, 1984-style. We only ever confused sex and gender due to prudish modesty about using the word "sex".
It’s actually doublethink: Cognitive dissonance brought on by political indoctrination as opposed to being a natural phenomenon of their psychology. Nobody holds these beliefs naturally.
That's why you never let women vote or have any power. Men should be required to protect them. Not letting them vote or have power is our responsibility to protect them from themselves.
That old guy is so embarrassing. He knows the truth but wants to be relevant to the younger crowd. We all know that men can't be women and women can't be men. It's a facade, a delusion.
It's not my job to accuse someone who says they're convinced (of something) of being secretly unconvinced, that sounds too much like evangelicals saying atheists actually _do_ believe in god, but just 'deny his existence' because 'they want to sin'.
@@DoublespeakNPC I agree. He's the kind of guy I'd cross the street to avoid, and NOT because of his physical appearance, but because of his frenetic attitude. "Methinks he doth protest too much" about his alleged inability to differentiate men from women. 😳🙇🏾♀️😖
The insight I got from listening to the answers given by the two females are that it is wrong to assume that everyone actually cares about what is objectively true. It was shocking that the young woman, when asked about the implications of allowing males to compete with females, did not seem to grasp that it would mean the displacement of females from sport. The women appeared to be completely oblivious to both the incoherence of their position, and the wider implications of their position.
00:37:00 “On average, are men stronger than women?” *Loooooong pause* “Are we talking… like…strength?” 😢 It’s amazing how the women with conviction that biological men should be able to play women’s sport clearly don’t play competitive sport.
@@PowderedToastMan661 it’s quite wrong to assume that biological men always have the advantage in women’s sports. I mean, look at that Finnish figure skater 😂
Interestingly, the one participant contradicts herself moments later. Turned to the other participant and said 'we're just different'. Also, notice her grimace when Peter asks 'on average are men stronger than women'.
Exactly..like have they ever even PLAYED sports? I have, and Lord knows I wouldn't want a dude swinging a field hockey stick at my head or hurling a 90mph softball in the general area of my reproductive organs. 😮
You have the genitals you have, yet are somehow "assigned". When we finally get over this lunacy, there is going to be a lot of denial and cringe when people look back at how irrational the human psyche can be.
Absolutely sick that all these ADULTS can barely understand this and got the luxury of growing up without any of this confusion yet now throw this on our children 😢
You know what the problem is... there people didn't come to those conclusions by themselves. They are using language made up by ideologues and are repeating the talking points of the ideology. Basically they have a religious stance, based on beliefs and not backed by evidence.
@afuzzycreature8387 Sure, to some extent definition & categories are used all day without examination, but my gut sense there’s a difference between a definition of cheese based on a long history of real world experience and a movement that, at its core I believe, is gaslighting people to believe the opposite of reality: “This IS that. Silence IS violence. Trns women ARE women. Freedom IS slavery.”
@@afuzzycreature8387yes, but we haven't accepted ideas without utility. When you come across euphemisms you know it's emphasising a narrower frame of reference, or it's a gambit to change the definition/epistemology of common parlance. This is being done for an ulterior motive, that is evidence of ideology and not empirical objectivity.
No worse, because it’s not backed up by research, years and centuries, sources, and also cross verified by its opposer…. Science is religions opposer and as far as I can tell the belief in religion is backed by scripture, dates, CENTURIES of passing on stories and knowledge, and religions own opposer even verifies some dates and artifacts and what not, or even has natural explanations for some of the supernatural things described in religion…… Literally the only evidence this whole movement has is that people sometimes are attracted to just about anything, and also will make themselves appear and act in any way they deem fit…. So a man can love a man, but there’s still a MAN (and a woman) like, I can put on a wig and stuff my shirt and make myself appear “more like a woman” but that doesn’t make me not man or even something else or inbetween….. it’s so funny this whole ideology. All the different sun categories of rainbow people also in fight and make claims that “debunk” or “erase” the “truth” and and legitimacy and the experience of other rainbow groups…. Hell it seems even gender dysphoria and trans people genuinely seem to go through hell and have no idea what’s even going on with THEMSELVES. How can you even claim that you can claim to be something? Last time I checked your identity was based on how OTHERS view you…. Identity is negotiated with society….. you can’t identify as something that others refuse you are EVEN if those others are LYING! Think about it, someone could lie about your identity and even though it’s not true, because that person is lying, others might think it’s true and that can effect you LIKE it’s true! Got ‘em there too! Literally I can’t imagine the mental pain/gymnastics these wackos must put themselves through….. like, gay people exist, people who claim they are the OPPOSITE sex exist, people claim to be all sorts of thing, do all sorts of things too. But at the end of the day, you are what you are. The harder you try to pretend your not-the harder your life will be and the harder you make it for ALL those around you. What’s with the PUSH for all this crap? Last time I checked, gay people and trans people just are gay or trans and find that out on their own and make all the changes themselves without being told how to do it or what they should do….. don’t need the propaganda because the propaganda will only confuse CONFUSED and SUSCEPTIBLE people. The real gays and trans find a way to be gay and trans lol…. If everyone knows what gender they feel like even as a CHILD then surely we don’t have to talk about it at ALL no?
If I were born intersex I'd be pissed at being used as a beard by trans activists, and a man that loses his junk in a car accident *definitely* shouldn't be classed as intersex. If you insist on over-simplifying, intersex means *at least* both types of genitals in some measure, not one less. You might argue losing your junk makes you (more) androgynous but that's something else altogether.
@@DDR99999 That's fine, for me personally the subject is serious enough to choose my words precisely, especially on one of Peter's videos. I was crass enough to quote from NWA's Fat Girl on an Aba and Preach video an hour ago, _in a funny way._ 🙂
@@antimonycup7066 sex: the state of being either male or female in most species of metazoans. In humans, each cell nucleus contains 23 pairs of chromosomes, a total of 46 chromosomes. The first 22 pairs are called autosomes. Autosomes are homologous chromosomes, that is, chromosomes that contain the same genes (regions of DNA) in the same order along their chromosomal arms. The 23rd pair of chromosomes are called allosomes (sex chromosomes). These consist of two X chromosomes in most all females, and an X chromosome and a Y chromosome in most all males. Females, therefore, have 23 homologous chromosome pairs, while males have 22. The X and Y chromosomes have small regions of homology called pseudoautosomal regions. The X chromosome is always present as the 23rd chromosome in the ovum, while either an X or Y chromosome may be present in an individual spermatozoon cell gamete. An extremely minute percentage of humans are either (anatomical) hermaphrodites or of indeterminate sex (or to be more accurate, disordered sex). That does not negate the incontrovertible FACT that there are but two sexes/genders. In order for reproduction to take place, there is the requirement of a female ovum and a male sperm to unite, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division of most species of animals is to enable procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the individual in question. There is no third gamete. Cf. “gender”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”). If the reader is curious to know the reason for this term being included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because, in recent times, LEFTISTS have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the words “sex” and “gender”, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, immoral ideologies, especially by promoting the nonsensical idea that a person is able to transition from one gender to the other. gender: the state of being either male or female, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete. An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders. As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender. In those rare cases in which a human is born without gonads, the other characteristics of sex/gender would be taken into consideration - firstly, the allosomes (sex chromosomes) found in the DNA of every cell, and then, any extant genitalia, since even those females who have experienced the misfortune of being born without ovaries, for instance, usually have their remaining sex organs intact). Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”). So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”. The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. If the reader is curious to know why this term is included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because leftists have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the word in recent times, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, sinful, objectively-immoral ideologies. Until relatively recently, the word “gender” has ALWAYS been used in the etymologically-accurate sense of the term, and even in the former case, predominantly where leftist ideologues comprise a significant proportion of the population. See also “leftism”. If you are truly wise and intelligent, you would surely have recognized several amazing secrets contained within the body of this treatise, “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”. However, perhaps the most secretive secret, shall forthwith be revealed: It is IMPOSSIBLE for a human being to change his or her sex/gender! (You are implored to keep this secret - do not tell a soul!!!) For example, a man who castrates himself and wears a skirt or a dress is simply a mutilated, transvestinal male - not a woman or a female. Similarly, a woman who attaches an appendage resembling a phallus to her crotch and dons a pair of pantaloons, is merely a transvestinal woman with a fake penis between her thighs, and not a man, nor a male, in any accurate sense of the terms. Actually, I would contend that any “man” who excises his reproductive organs was ALWAYS a dickless “man”, metaphorically speaking. 🤪
Funny how people say “sex is assigned at birth”, whilst I remember my fiancée’s ultrasound @20 weeks we were told by the midwife, “it’s a girl”. Sex _might be_ “assigned” at birth, but the chromosomal structure of our genus is determined in prophase. I am not a biologist, but I would assume this occurs hours or perhaps days after conception.
Well, I am a biologist (in New Jersey) & I say you'd better raise that baby as a boy, or you & your lovely fiancé are racist. I'm pretty sure that's how that works, but again, I'm only recognized as a biologist in New Jersey, so...
Every time they get asked a thought provoking question you can see the answer pop in their head and then they go ok but what’s the safe answer and then say that out loud, fascinating
And "blackfacing" men. Since most transitioners today are female. (But since we live in a gynocentric societies only the wellbeing and safety of women matter. And that has deep and necessary biological roots.)
Very interesting. The two ladies in the conversation are clearly well-intentioned (and as someone who has spent decades espousing liberal views and feeling strongly about equality and fair society I understand their need to express inclusive sentiments) but they have no clue about the fact that literally every cell in your body is encoded with genetic information showing either male or female. This is true irrespective of hormone levels, surgeries undertaken or how someone dresses or outwardly expresses themselves. I'm happy for people to present themselves however makes them feel comfortable and actualised, and would fiercely fight for the rights of trans people to do so, but we have reached a point in our discourse where making honest statements about scientific facts is equated with bigotry and discrimination.
Minority, please leave us alone. STOP stop making the majority 97 3% suffer from the minority 0.3% behaviors and actions. #1) Only a tiny few transgirl males and transwomen males invade, disrupt, and compete against females in sports. This MINORITY destroys the female MAJORITY. #2) Only a few transmen females pumped full of testosterone and have mental illnesses and LGBTQIA + mental illness people will commit rape, pedophiles, child molesters, groomers, and mass shootings at Christian Schools to commit HATE CRIMES killing Christian kids and teachers. Once again, the MINORITY is destroying the MAJORITY ( Christian kids). #3) Gun laws and the 2nd amendment rights are risk of being taken away from the MAJORITY of responsible gun owners because the MINORITY with mental ilnesses like psychotic, LGBTQIA +are committing massive school shootings and most of the crimes against nature, but NOT THE MAJORITY. #4") However, the gun rights are taken away from the MAJORITY because the MINORITY won't follow the gun laws. #5) Freedom of speech is being destroyed by the MINORITY and LGBTQIA + activits because anyone who expresses a different opion gets xensored, canceled, fired from jobs and beatvup at rallies by the MINORITY ewgo are do powerful from corporations and Hollywood and left wing liberals. The MINORITY has destroyed free speech by declaring every opinion from the MAJORITY that is different from theirs is HATE SPEECH, BIGOTRY, TRANSPHOBIC, HOMOPHOBICs, DISCRIMINATION AND HATERS. #6) Freedom of religion of the MAJORITY has been destroyed by the MINORITY who are Aetheist, Satanists and BELIEVERS in Transgender Ideology as their new religion. #7) When the MAJORITY read Bible scriptures aoud at protests rallies, the MINORITY calls this hate speech and the MAJORITY is arrested by cops GO TO JAIL. #7) The MINORITY celebrates gay pride month and can't reproduce their own children because TWO EGGS or two sperms CAN'T MAKE BABIES, the MAJORITY who procreate all the babies and children are MANDATED to celebrate pride month, drag queen story hour, frag queen explicit sex shows for kids, name men shaking their junk in ftontbof kids at pride parades, which goes against the MAJORITY right to Freedom of theirvown expressions nitvto engage in pride month celebrations
This was just painful to watch. Them girls having their ideology ripped apart infront of them but just refusing to even acknowledge their opinions are just wrong. The cognitive dissonance was off the scale
@@tupacalypse88 that’s what it makes it sound like 😂 I’ve been attending deliveries for almost 2 decades as a nurse and I’ve never assigned anything. I’ve observed and happily told families what they have. Most of them nowadays know before delivery.
It’s just about the genitals you have, except when the recreated genitals are poorly constructed to the point of being unrecognisable, then it’s about intent, but if a man unintentionally loses his genitals, then it’s about the absence of alternative genitals, and if there’s no surgery at all, then it’s about mental conviction, not genitals. This reminds me of Sacha Baron Cohen trolling vapid fashionistas as Bruno, leading them to agree to completely contradictory statements back to back, then asking “…and do you think consistency is important?”
Lol, exactly. Women always complain that men are sexualizing and objectifying women while they are the ones thinking all that defines a woman is a “hole”
39:41 Just an example - Women’s fastest 400m sprint was 47.6 seconds ran in 1957 by an East German runner (without a doubt she was juicing). US Boys fastest 400m sprint…44 seconds.
I would like to see if these women would agree when a man who says he is a woman invades their space in the way we have been seeing happen in the media.
for me it all started to unravel when one of the two girls was asked if men would have any advantage over women in a strength competition and she said "no" - I mean its not a secret, all the world records are available on line and men are stronger... its an important (and very easily confirmed) fact which you should certainly know if you are advocating for flattening the male/female sport categories. I was listening intently and trying my very best to see their side until that point when simple undeniable facts started getting warped in order to support their argument 😞
Every time one of these women makes the argument that they would be perfectly happy and feel perfectly safe allowing biological males into their locker rooms, changing rooms and especially shelters, I just wish the next follow-up question to them would be "Have you ever been punched in the face by a man?" I am guessing the answer is no.
I think they believe in the good of people so strongly that they just can't fathom what could ever go wrong if there were no separate spaces for men and women in restrooms, changing rooms, sports competitions, abuse shelters, etc. ESPECIALLY for children and pubescent teens
I feel perfectly safe letting rapists and murderers into female locker rooms. People who are right wing get their own locker rooms where these people aren't allowed.
I would also like to.know if they believe we should have the right to fmle only things or if they agree with the T movement making it illegal to exist via "discrimination"
He's indoctrinated and feels socially pressured to lose his temper and sieg heil to attack and 'out' the guy with the boarding. Ironically, I feel that this old geezer has the predisposition and personality to have been one of the first to fanatically get behind the Nazi movement back in pre-WW2 Germany and feel proud and vindicated to be part of that.
Despite the interruption, this was a great, respectful conversation with diverse viewpoints. Check out Richard from Common Ground Conversations, who participated in this conversation. commongroundconversations.co/
At first that young woman seemed so rational. Until it became clear that she had no regard for factual information and apparently rationalizes everything through emotion.
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Every time Peter does these he inadvertently shows that very few people paid any attention in science classes.
And in phys. ed. classes, for that matter.
Sorry from Australia Peter. Victoria is the home of some of the silliest and nastiest people in Australia. I hope you enjoyed your time here.
@@southhedge73yes, it's totally "off" now. And my 30 years of science teaching feels like it went down the gurgler. What happened to science is about facts, debating new ideas, open discussion and rational thought etc 😢
male loses penis in accident, now he is intersex 🤡
@@carolynbrightfield8911 This way of 'thinking' conducted by some of these people is obviously anti intellectual but I think it is also anti hierarchical. I once had a guy I knew tell me that his opinion (based off the reading of a magazine article) of a subject was equal to and just as valid as the opinion of someone who had studied that subject for several years. 😐
I do get frustrated when people claim men and women could compete fairly in sports without sex based categories.
As do I unless They're talking about archery, darts, shooting, crokinole, or some other skill based competition. But running, jumping, swimming, judo, karate, MMA, cycling? Just no. unfair. Just make an open division for trans people to compete in. Done, fair.
Yep. Example: Why can't a female compete against male motocross riders? Because even if she could handle a motorcyle like Jeremy McGrath, it would absolutely destroy her pelvic floor and possibly cause a uterine prolapse. We are different not only outside, but inside.
@@loganmiller4863 Men do have an advantage in archery due to their upper body strength. I had to look up crokinole.
@@loganmiller4863I believe men even have a competitive edge in some of those “skill based” sports you mentioned. In archery, for example, men consistently score higher than women in competition, but I don’t know the biological reasons for this.
I suspect that any woman who says this has no interest in competitive sports and doesn't see why any woman would.
She's prepared to sacrifice what is hugely important to some women simply because she wants to look virtuous.
She's also extremely naive if she thinks no man who claims to be a woman is any danger to women.
Just because a male might say they feel like a woman, how do they actually know what it feels like to be a woman?
I'd go one further and say that you can't even know what it is to be any other man. You only have your experience of manhood and you have no way of comparing it with others' experiences. Therefore we should dispense entirely with the argument that feelings mean anything substantive and focus on the real world of biology.
They dont. They will never know what it feels like to have excruciating cramps from 11 years old or younger and bleed from a vagina. Then they will never know what it feels like to get pregnant. Period. These Woman are a disgrace to all Women. Disgusts me the brainwashing. Which this type of confusion has destroyed civilizations. History repeats.
They can't
They want to wear a dress and receive free favors 😂
Everything about males and females is different. Our sex organs of course but also our skeletons, our musculature, tendons and ligaments, our brains function differently, our emotions are predictably different. You cannot “feel” like a woman unless you are. You may have a fetish about having a vagina or wearing women’s clothes but you can’t possibly “feel” like a woman unless you are female. That said, it should be a persons choice to wear clothes typically associated with women or makeup or whatever else you feel like donning but you are the sex you are and there is no changing that. You can be whatever type of male you want to be or whatever type of female you want to be but you are in fact that sex and you can’t change it.
Watching these 4 adults grapple with understanding and making sense of these questions leads me to the conclusion that this is not a question or decision that we should be giving to children. If adults can’t understand it how on earth do we expect children to. This is a very dangerous experiment that can only lead to mind bending confusion.
Perhaps "confusion" of children is the goal,
Very good point!
I love when they’re like:
“I agree with this thing that completely obliterates my position, but I still hold my position.”
Lol. Yeah that sums up most of these conversations Peter has with people. It's obvious most people don't work through the logic of their positions until someone else does it for them.
@@OmnipotentJC Yeah. In light of all the evidence showing that people do not use rationality to form their values, it’s kind of weird that people in the rationalist community continue advocating for a rationalist approach to politics. Seems to be the rational thing to do would be to accept that most people are by and large irrational in this area of their lives, and to use a more emotional approach to achieve our goals.
I think they mostly post rationalise things to fit whatever evidence they like, but its rarely the true reason they hold the beleif to start with, I think it mostly comes from a moral position, "being compassionate to trans people is what good people do, and I want to be a good person", anything that disagrees with that gets thrown by the wayside
@@jeffcapes There’s overwhelming evidence that shows this to be the case. That’s why I personally believe reason is a good way of persuading people, but emotional appeals are better.
And these people have a vote.
Peter, could you start asking people how long they have had these opinions? Because I'm sure these grown adults did not have these beliefs even 5 years ago.
Excellent point!
THIS!👍
My guess is that many would just insist that their opinion on this never changed. But it would be interesting to hear the answers.
Tik tok probably
@@Cancionera40 were you asleep?
Those two women are absolutely terrified when giving an answer to a question that their fellow cult members haven't drilled into them yet. They know if they say one thing that can be even misconstrued as "problematic" they will be heretics and their lives ruined via cancellation or even physically harmed.
Exactly, it's just like any other religious group or cult
The problem is that so many people have never actually thought about it for themselves. That’s why the one lady sounded so confused: because she was trying to explain what she’s been told is “correct” and has never actually thought about whether it actually makes sense or not.
Sex is not "assigned" at birth. It is simply "observed" or "noted" at birth. If gender is fluid, but biological sex is fixed by nature, why must biological sex be transformed unnaturally to mimic the opposite sex when one's gender identity doesn't match one's biological sex. It seems to make more sense to simply ask society to accept those biological males who are more effeminate than others and those biological females who are more masculine than others.
Regarding those who say they "feel like" the gender that is opposite their biological sex, I don't know how this is even possible. In reality, none of us actually know what anyone outside of our own body feels, let alone what those in bodies of the opposite biological sex feels. I know what it feels like to be me, but I can't honestly say that all other biological males experience life as I do. I know that women are different than men, but I've never experienced life as a woman, so I don't know how I would possibly have a clue about how "being a woman" feels. It's nothing more than conjecture, really.
And it's unlikely there will ever be a way to change one's chromosomes or DNA.
If one puts Ferrari rims on a Chevy, it's still a Chevy. One cannot change their sex. Period. End of story.
You've summed my exact thoughts on this as well. Well done; that was very clear!
If genitals don't define sex...
Then how does altering them affirm it.
-internet meme.
Your common sense and logical reasoning make sense to most of us but for the select few that experience gender dysphoria they are unable to grasp the reality of their biological sex. Biological sex is one of the most binary things there is in nature, everything else is a continuum. No matter how strong the desire to have the genitals and secondary sexual characteristics of another gender, no amount of self-claiming, hormonal injections or any amount surgery will ever change your fix biological sex.
@@paulmaloney2383 Well-stated. That doctors are so willingly transitioning children will, most certainly, go down in history as one of America's worst crimes.
Actually sex is manifest BEFORE birth and confirmed at birth. It just doesn’t happen at birth. It can be observed with ultra sound.
The mental gymnastics being performed in the name of tolerance is absolutely mind-numbing. 🤡🌎🤦♀️
Changes my position on neuroplasticity for sure.
Its a merry-go-round of nosence
@@imperfectious Neuroplasticity works in both directions, for the positive and the negative.
It's scary how mindlessly they recite the Newspeak nonsense 🤦🏾♀️😨
this is a beautiful and perfect way to put it.
As a 64 year old woman who were subjected to all the unfair advantage to men, I am astounded that we are expected to give up so much of our wins. Just like that, women sport is back to extreme discrimination. Any fool knows that a man is stronger/faster than a woman physically. All a man now has to do is to say they identify as a woman and they are guaranteed to win with far less effort and talent. Plus they win the financial benefits in prizes. That a young woman would think that is a good move, sickens me. We have lost the plot as humanity. I hope this is a temporary condition. If not, we are screwed.
We as women are losing the ground we gained. It's disgusting our fellow woman are cheering it on.
Thank you ladies for.beimg sane.
its so depressing that the only women who are against toxic trans ideology are actually just misandry sexists.
Clearly these women have never been athletes.
Exactly! Women fought for single sex bathrooms to be added at work because there was so much sexual assault in shared bathrooms, women were just holding it for 12 hours which was physically damaging. Young women these days act like it's no big deal to just let some men back into those spaces, like they've forgotten the suffering of our ancestors 😢
This is absolutely insane. THe man with the billboard has a ton of patience.
Imagine being this old
And still not knowing what a woman is 🙃
Dude has a trans kid that he helped to medicalize, or a dysphoric close friend that he failed to help. There has to be a back-story to generate such anger.
There's no fool like an old fool.
@@mrpopo8298 Actually there is no fool like a fool regardless of age. Old age does not make one a fool.
may be his "birthing parent" was a man , that is why he did not get to know a woman😂
@@willyboy256you’d expect a bit more sense coming from someone of his age surely?
It amazes me how quickly this pervasive idea that sex is "assigned" at birth has developed. It's like it appeared overnight and every person under a certain age just accepts it as an incontrovertible fact now.
Mind-numbed robots waiting for the next narrative to gobble up and regurgitate ad nauseam.
Because it is pushed down from the top,.systemically. these are mostly normal people trying to conform to what is taught as best practice. Their confusion and discomfort are the goal. How far can we be pushed to assert what we know is not true?
Ikr, all the astroturfed linguistic vandalism is like this -- nonsensical, and it has spread insanely rapidly.
So easy to reprogram an NPC with BS these days...
Its like a mind virus
I would like to point out that not a single time did these girls even acknowledge or attempt to consider his primary argument which was chromosomes. A 50 minute conversation and not ONE SINGLE TIME did they confront his primary argument or acknowledge it’s implication in the determination of sex.
I noticed that. It’s a typical cult style of debate that they would ignore objective facts and focus on emotion.
I wouldn't be surprised to learn the guy who interrupted is either a tenured professor or works in government.
He’s a party member employed at the Ministry of Truth. INGSOC
It’s so sad that the young woman has had her notion of what a woman is reduced to if there is a hole between a person’s legs, no matter how it got there
Women aren't penis-less men.
@@THXx1138 sorry brother I'm mourning the death of the definition of women, it got murdered by this pseudo intellectual.
I know. It's so disgusting and demeaning. "Bonus hole." It's dehumanizing, like how a serial killer would think.
And then they turn back and say "do not objectify me!" :DDDD
@lovesilk1 a woman is- and can only ever be - an adult human being who was born biologically female.
A man can never be a woman - in any way, shape or form.
I can’t stand the term, “assigned at birth”. 🤦♂️
Yes, I agree. I have heard it described as "ibserved" at birth. This seems more truthful.
If anything, it’s “gender identity assigned at birth”. Conceptually, that makes sense to me. The activist types want to focus on sex though, because they want health insurance to pay for sex, reassignment surgery. If the focus were on gender, it has a lot less weight in the healthcare systems.
@@SeaTeaSnow gender identity is made up. It is not assigned at birth. At best you can assert that social constructs play a role in sex/gender stereotypes. This is a far cry from what the gender theory crowd assert.
Agreed. the reason for this term is that trans ideologists picked it so they could push their narrative. Avoid playing on the enemies chosen field of battle. Seriously, all of us fighting this nonsense could stand to reread Art of War.
No reasonable, intelligent person can.
He knows their material better than they do. And good on him for keeping calm and polite the whole time.
I have never met a trans woman who actually knows what it means to be a woman. They think it's about wearing makeup, heels and dresses. I never wear those things but I am a woman. Every trans woman I have met still acts, talks, and moves like a man.
It's a feeling, an essence, an energy. It's the way they see themselves and interact with the world.
That's how I've heard them talk. Menno calls it "gender woo. "
@zeldagoblin my essence and feeling are that I am 7'2", and am a star basketball player. I should sue the NBA for not hiring me 😂
@@ruthhorowitz7625 Those bigots! Sue them into next century!
The women were saying some of the most idiotic, reality denial nonsense I've ever heard. Holy crap.
So, women being women?
@@Winterascent HIGH FREAKIN' FIVE!!!!!!! COME ON!!!!
You can tell they’ve never thought deeply about this. It’s just statements they’ve heard. I’m amazed how they don’t realize “gender” is just what liberals of the past used to call “gender roles”. He even briefly mentioned this in the video when he said “sex based stereotypes”. This is what some people call sex based expression. It accounts for people not conforming to gender norms without having to bend reality in a religious belief that we can be born in the wrong bodies therefore must treat a man like a woman and ignore biology.
@@Winterascent Not all women are like this. Try being more insulting.
@@sally5983 "Not all", yet what we see today is exactly the result of women and their behavior. Feelings over reality.
I’m shocked how much these women are willing to dumb themselves down on the bases of “be kind”.
They know their lying to themselves.
Exactly. That girl absolutely knows that her boyfriend could easily overpower her but still denies it to be "kind". It wouldn't even matter to her if all womens sports would collapse. Maybe bc she hadn't done a situp in the last 5 years. 🤔
@@justmy2cents652 while their “being kind” biological males are destroying the hopes & dreams (also safety & fairness ) of young girls (biological females) in sports alone.
Where I live we have biological males in prison for very very serious crimes with with who didn’t pay their TV license.
Sometimes their lick up for 23 hours a day for “their safety”
This ideology is a danger to women & children. Especially gender non conforming kids.
@@justmy2cents652 The problem is that when we talk about "women's sports" we're usually talking about "men's sports done by women" in which men will naturally outperform any woman. In actual women's sports like synchronized swimming there isn't even a men's category in the Olympics and I don't see anyone crying about it because men are clearly inferior at it. I tend to think that getting rid of sex categories in professional sports would actually improve women's sports and new ones would emerge.
Not just kind. If you're caught on video saying "transphobic things"...
@@Dan_Capone I'm guessing every woman who is active in sports which you would call "men's sports" would disagree. And I think it is misogynistic nonsense to limit women to activities like gymnastics and synchronized swimming. Why is it so hard to accept/understand that in some spaces it is just a nobrainer to seperate via sex? Now we should forbid women to do certain sports bc men have an advantage in those? Seriously?!
The girls start out by saying that sex and gender are different, and then spend the entire time arguing that sex and gender are the exact same thing.
They don't seem to understand what they believe at all.
Nobody understands what they believe. It’s incomprehensible.
You can hear the lack of conviction in their voice as they defend their shaky position. It's almost like they understand what they are spouting doesn't make sense and falls apart under the simplest questioning but are scared to say the wrong thing and offending people. Also I lost it at "it's a hole", way to boil down a whole subset of humanity to such a flippant definition.
These are what are called liberal feminists, and liberal feminism is the cancer of feminism, they believe in this gender nonsense, “fat positivity”, the idea that “sex work”(their sterilized politically correct word for prostitution) is empowering for women, and a bunch of other nonsense. It’s misogyny sold as feminism.
That's the point, they don't believe it. They're just afraid of offending someone. By extension it gives everyone an excuse to do anything they want. I support your crazy ideas so now you have to support my crazy ideas. What's coming is the normalization of pedophilia.
I think they had a false sense of confidence because they heard terms like “assigned at birth” on repeat in class and on tv. I doubt they ever had any challenge on the beliefs that were served to them and that’s why they had no idea about the holes in their logic regarding the holes between their legs.
To add to the conversation, I’m a university professor facing dismissal because I once compared a chemical reaction between two inanimate molecules and a non-human hermaphrodite such as an earthworm, and this was taken as insulting to intersex people. It’s hard to comprehend this level of idiocy within our higher educational system.
Bloody hell! Good luck with those ridiculous dismissal charges.
In what country is this university?
It's my understanding that people with intersex conditions are not true hermaphrodites. (i.e., they are not functionally both female and male.)
I hope they'll find out in your favour, this is ridiculous!
Hope you can escape hell soon enough
It continues to amaze me how many people are completely oblivious to the biological definition of sex as a reproductive role. It's not determined by secondary characteristics like chromosomes or genetalia; sex is determined by an organism's potential to produce either large, immobile gametes (eggs) or small, mobile gametes (sperm). The former individuals are - by definition - female, and the latter are - by definition - male. And unless there is some highly advanced gene editing method that I'm unaware of, there is *no* possible way to change one's sex and start producing the opposite gamete type. As Helen Joyce once put it, it's not just the breasts and vagina and estrogen that makes her a female... *every single cell* of her body carries that reproductive role.
And the hole they fashion is for penetration only, reducing the vagina to something that simply provides pleasure for others...it's unbelievably offensive.
Boggled my mind. Has basic science class content been altered???
Maybe this is the root cause of the COMPLETE IDIOCY and confusion these people are spouting.
They did alter the definition of "vaccine" to include "gene therapy" in 2020. Just goes to show ANYTHING can be changed and you won't even realise till the next generation is talking bullshit in the streets
how is this different from chromosomes? Would it be incorrect to say that only a person with XX chromosomes has the potential to produce large, immobile gametes (eggs) ?
Do you think they are truly ignorant or consciously lying? Many liberals seem to believe a lie that feels morally virtuous has more value than truth.
I was under the impression that sperm is just produced by the testies and eggs are from the ovary.
I suppose I never gave the time to think about if it were possible to transplant them into someone else. And if you did transplant it to the opposite sex, would the body know what to do with it?
The “lose genitalia in an accident” question was everything I needed to hear . She has a materialistic view of the word
i majored in biology, we never spoke about this 20 years ago while i was at university. wouldn't have even been a debate.
The mental gymnastics these women are willing to go through to cling to their opinions in the face of logical arguments is mind boggling.
Logical? Sure. But even biological arguments. They started off defining sex accurately ("biologically a male or female") and then spent the rest of the discussion controverting their own definition by equivocating.
What about CAIS people?
I really hate how much misinformation has been pumped out on this topic that there are people who actually think, or at least say, that you can change your sex 😒 And what's more concerning is that these people get to vote. I can't have a basic conversation with people who think like this because they are just so misinformed that I have to spend the entire time educating them on basic facts while they stumble through regurgitating the nonsense they heard from some trans activist or in gender/queer studies.
The way that your average person now thinks that sex is assigned at birth rather than observed, because they've heard the former so many times in recent years but never stopped for a second to think about the meaning of that phrase, is flabbergasting. To the best of my knowledge the phrase sex assigned at birth was coined by John Money when working with intersex patients (because they actually were assigned a sex because they couldn't confirm their sex through observation). That some of those people will then berate you for being transphobic when they don't even understand what transsexualism is is scary.
I kinda think this is the default state humans occupy. Pick anyone out of a crowd, and with the right questions you'll find the bullshit they think is true. And many beliefs are so intertwined with either someone's worldview or their sense of personal identity, that presenting them with facts and logic isn't going to educate them like it would for someone else. That's because they're not taking your information or reasoning onboard to be processed and reflected on as if it was valid. In their conscious reality, truth and bullshit swap places. It's seriously like an acute hyper-local insanity. It can be literally impossible for people to see the truth for what it is, even when perfectly showcased and put right in front of their face. Their brain straight up wont let them see it.
This is every human... and we have our evolution to thank for it..😖
Indeed, you should try sharing a State with these people who have re-elected Daniel Andrews the criminal tyrant who legislatively imposed teaching this perverted pseudoscientific ideology upon children in our schools as well as enforcing the longest and harshest lockdowns anywhere in the world. This used to be Australia's most conservative state believe it or not. Six months on from the election the State is totally bankrupt, the laughing-stock of the rest of Australia and now the entire British Commonwealth after their totalitarian cult leader cancelled the Commonwealth Games two weeks ago. Sigh of sighs my once beautiful State of Victoria has been utterly destroyed by poisonous wokeness.
A minor nitpick to be sure, but don’t fall into the linguistic traps being laid down… there is no such thing as “misinformation.” One can be misinformed, but the word “misinformation” is an invention, just like the term “conspiracy theory” specifically designed to shut down discourse.
@@stvbrsn, the phrase ‘conspiracy theory’, and the word ‘misinformation’, both existed long before they were intentionally imbued with a tone of derisive mockery, in order to discredit believers.
Regardless of tone, some conspiracy theories are correct, and misinformation certainly exists - usually spread by those who doth protest it too much.
LMAO this first guy just punked himself out, as a Nazi 😅😅😅 GOLD😅🤡
"Do you understand more now than when we started playing?"
"No"
The smartest thing she said all video 😅
The girl with the sunglasses - is in DENIAL. She can't admit her FAILED LOGIC. Just really shameful.
If she's telling the truth - i'm REALLY afraid for the future.
and she just said a penis is what makes you a man xD this is fucking bizarre, what a time to be alive
She INFURIATED ME!! With her argument that you could actually change your sex and no empathy for a man in a car accident or questioning a botched surgery (WHICH HAPPENS ALL THE TIME)
You can honestly hear her realize how terrible her stance is as it’s torn to shit further along in the video …but she reduces to admit defeat while the timidness in her voice exposes her failed logic. It’s kind of funny.
@@MarkMeraji most people don't change their opinion on the spot. Hopefully she's going to challenge her stances and come to a new idea, but she might just get stuck in her bubble and double down after that.
The hope is that she will realize later the foolishness and inconsistency of her statements. It’s very hard to rewire one’s worldview within a single conversation.
Never give up on people. Build golden bridges.
These women are very confused and are arguing against their best interests. Very sad to see
Yeah, and the fact that they lack the reasoning tools (despite seeming reasonably intelligent/educated) to understand exactly how FLAWED their logic is is very concerning. Lots of people just don't know HOW to think anymore.
Very sad indeed.
Yea! She's a Parrot that lacks critical thinking
Yes, like two naughty monkeys who have found a saw and are now avidly taking turns enthusiastically sawing away at the very branch they're standing upon while a lion sits calmly basking in the sun at the foot of the tree awaiting the delivery of his midday meal that will be the sole inevitable outcome of such ill-conceived adventurism. Survival of the fittest in slow-motion.
Do you think the conservatives that have taken the opposite side are actually fighting for women's rights? When historically they haven't cared about them or they have directly fought against them? I only see people latching onto arguments to further their agenda making it look more positive.
Just append 'phobia' to the opposite position and you're done. No thought required
The level of mental gymnastics the 2 women are doing is astounding.
When you are not allowed to challenge an idea, you know the strength of the idea.
This particular ideology is very dangerous in my opinion
Well, you know the strength of those who support the idea, that's for sure. This particular idea is incredibly weak and incoherent, yet so many self-professed liberals are perfectly willing to overlook the vicious, even violent, suppression of free speech in order to protect the idea from any real scrutiny. It's absolutely mind-boggling.
@@ponygirl1716 sunlight is not the best disinfectant. Its the only disinfectant. If you cant talk about something, theres a reason.
It can be an indication, but your statement is surely false how its stated.
Sex is not "assigned" at birth. It is observed at birth or even earlier.
Ya, observed by bigots, unless they switch the sex to trans, which is the only morally decent sex one can be. You should try it, it's never too late or too early to go full trans & then boom, you're elevated to the highest of high positions from which you may ASSIGN (see what I did there??) all others as bigots.
It was pretty funny how she tripped herself up on that one. She said sex isn’t observed, it’s “assigned.” Then immediately goes on to say it’s “assigned” based on what the doctors see… smh.
Agreed. They are confusing assigned with signed, i.e. registered. Assigning is a matter of choice.
sex is determined at the moment of fertilization and it is the sperm that provides the sex chromosome determining M/F. sex can be determined pre implantation IVF or between 6 to 10 weeks into pregnancy depending on the method. This assigned sex at birth concept is rubbish HORMONE LEVELS DO NOT DETERMINE SEX!!!!
Assigned at conception- confirmed at birth
It’s great you facilitated a civil discussion. Respect to the three participants
Thank you. That’s the goal!
After you finish the discussion, you really should bombard them with facts as to how absurd they are with this nonsense
@@derekconn9950 I think he probably doesn't do that to allow for the participants to do their own research in order for them to reach their own conclusions which are therefore more "robust" since they thought of them "themselves" (even though they needed A LOT of help).
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That would completely undo the whole point of the exercise.
I’m really interested to see attitudes across different countries- I hope Peter travels and tests this out in lots of places
It's so hard to believe that so many people are this far removed from reality, it's like they make it all up as they go along
And so much of it is based on faith. It is an immitation of religion.
The far left opperates very much religion, they're scared to say what they think since they'll be shunned by the group. They believe it because they're told they have to. Most of the US is removed from reality if you think about how many are religous.
@@dansschoolofschool There's no understanding. You really have to be believe in it.
@@dansschoolofschool Which is stereotyping and characterization of a particular sex which is sexist
In these experiments people definitely choose a line that they arent really sure about and cant back up but spew random tangents to try and prove their point.
This for the more outrageous people opting for lines that are the woke answers
That salute had no business swinging out so naturally Lmao.
TRANSEVANGELISTECOSOCIALISTCRYPTOFASCISTS
As a German I laughed my ass off 😂
Was he old enough to have been....
Yeah! That seemed a bit TOO natural... 😂
@slaapliedje not an OG
We're never going to get to Mars if this is what they're doing in college
I can't believe in 2023 we are having this conversation. I am afraid for our children that people like these women are out there.
These 2 women are all over the place. Sex matters, then it doesn't, it can be tested, but it doesn't matter. I mean do they even have a standard they would adhere to?
No, because, knowingly or not, they have fallen for Queer Theory nonsense.
My favorite was … “If you have a hole” … It is sad how people lack the ability to make an argument with logic and reason…
Leftist drones adjust as the conversation goes, what is true from one moment to the next constantly changes as needed.
Nothing is stable (especially their mental state) and nothing is consistent, their entire existence is based on subjective delusional reality.
The standard they adhere to is that that nothing can prevent a man becoming a woman, and that if there is this thing called female and only some women can have it, that is unacceptable. Therefore the meaning of "female" has to change. And then we are forced to use terms like AMAB in situations where the truth is still needed. The truth is so stigmatized that it has to be relegated to the status of an embarrassing mistake.
They just want to live in a world where whatever they imagine, is the truth.
OMG! She said if a guy lost his bits in an accident he automatically becomes intersex. You really can’t make this stuff up. 😂
Interestingly she allowed the person who, after experiencing an accident undergoing genital surgery, to "choose". But the cis guy who underwent a random tragic accident is irrevocably now intersex...
She's right. If you lose your dick, you're no longer a man... But you're not a woman either. Hence intersex
She is a freaking idiot.
Technically they become intersex or a eunuch. They no longer produce testosterone. That is itself basic biological reality. I think castration complex or fear falls into this for some people. They simply can't accept that it could happen to them and it would change them physically externally and internally. If you aren't producing testosterone it will also effect you mentally and you will be more emotional.
Humans have 2 arms, by her logic if I lost an arm I'm no longer human.
4:56 Is the single best argument for the fact that gender and say are not the same thing. I used to believe in the sex binary, but the gentleman in yellow finally convinced me otherwise.
The fact that took that lady that long to answer that question "are men stronger then women" and it's still answered it wrong. So why do we say men should never hit women.😢
I'm so impressed of how patient Peter is with the ridiculousness of some people's explanations.
u r seeing editied videos. obviously youtubers wont show their bad clips. it happenns worldwide and for both conservative, libral, centrist, political parties, celebreities etc
If you want to have better conversations and be more like Peter, be more open-minded and stop thinking other people’s perspectives are “ridiculous “
unfortunately, in clown world there are a lot of ridiculous positions, that would have landed you in the loony bin not too long ago.@@quantum_ocean
@@wheelie642they are different based on newly adapted definition, but it doesn't mean they are not very closely connected.
This is literally his field of study. Figuring out if people's opinions actually match with that they say their opinions are. He wouldn't study this or do these kinds of experiments if he wasn't passionate about listening to people and hearing their opinions, or so I assume. I personally find these opinions that you label as "ridiculous" especially interesting, because it's fascinating to me to understand people's way of thinking. The opinions that seem reasonable to me or that I agree with are less interesting to me, because they don't offer anything new to my point of view.
Every time I hear someone say biological male/female I lose a few more brain cells.
Same with sex "assigned at birth"
It's a mantra you supposed to repeat it until it becomes reality. Indoctrination is on full swing, the rest of us need to get on board. If you don't agree with that then you are label as a bigot and dismissed.
Yes, sex is only a biological category
Bigot. 😂
Same
💯💯💯💯
i want this man to come to my university campus in scotland and do this - because jesus christ, my country - and our higher education institutions - needs this
We may be there later this year!
@@drpeterboghossian good to hear! I don’t know how much you know about Scottish politics, but our first minister has said that “Free speech in itself is never an unfettered right,” and has introduced a hate crime bill that includes “offenses of stirring up hatred” which yes, can just refer to just communication with someone that one may consider insulting to a certain characteristic (of course “transgender identity” being one of them). My country has gone insane.
Got 6 minutes in and had to bail out. The stupidity was too painful.
Your doing good work Peter, Thank You for bringing us these conversations
Thanks for listening
@@drpeterboghossian, it seems that you conflate "gender" and "sex", Peter?
@@TheWorldTeacheror… it could be that you folk just want to redefine everything to fit your emotions.
Is language a social construct? Sure. And said language is how we communicate and therefore become civilized. And that only works if it has rules. Otherwise, any gibberish would constitute language yet would provide no communication. If words don’t have a meaning, what’s the point? We should all just go back to grunting and hope there’s no misunderstanding?
@@theycallme_brucewho are "you folk"? Gender is a language construct, masculine, feminine, neuter in some languages. Sex is male/female. Language evolves over time and meanings change. This is why the "progressives" want to change it deliberately, 1984-style.
We only ever confused sex and gender due to prudish modesty about using the word "sex".
@@TheWorldTeacherWTF, did you even watch this video?? 😂
Never ending cognitive dissonance and thought ending cliches
Well-said.
YES, its painful.
It’s actually doublethink:
Cognitive dissonance brought on by political indoctrination as opposed to being a natural phenomenon of their psychology.
Nobody holds these beliefs naturally.
Peter, If you ever get to Chicago, let us know before hand. I would love to take the stand on this line test. Keep up the good work!
Aw man, I just missed ya Peter, would've been great to meet you both!
Warm welcome to Australia!!
😆This was incredible. "Sex & gender are different, except they are both made up and determined by what I feel like..."
And it's really really important that you agree with whatever fantasy I have created for myself or you are a bigot.
That's why you never let women vote or have any power. Men should be required to protect them. Not letting them vote or have power is our responsibility to protect them from themselves.
You cannot change your sex, you can only charge your aesthetic.
calm down vaush. Just because you can use aesthetic and other unusual words doesnt mean it applies. Most adult MtFs or FtMs are VERY UNaesthetic.
real vaginas dont need daily dialation to keep them from welding themselves shut.
As a woman myself, I must say I am embarrassed for these two young women.
Refreshing to listen to people speak without interruptions. Regardless of your belief.
That old guy is so embarrassing. He knows the truth but wants to be relevant to the younger crowd. We all know that men can't be women and women can't be men. It's a facade, a delusion.
My dad is like this guy 😮💨 He's a "moderate" living in Portland, OR.
It's not my job to accuse someone who says they're convinced (of something) of being secretly unconvinced, that sounds too much like evangelicals saying atheists actually _do_ believe in god, but just 'deny his existence' because 'they want to sin'.
Asking people what they think is not “embarrassing.” Young people are “brainwashed ideologues.”
Putting my neck out here, but check that guys hard drive.
@@DoublespeakNPC I agree. He's the kind of guy I'd cross the street to avoid, and NOT because of his physical appearance, but because of his frenetic attitude. "Methinks he doth protest too much" about his alleged inability to differentiate men from women. 😳🙇🏾♀️😖
I love how Hitler Claus is just standing there for half the video waiting for his moment to pounce.
🤣🤣🤣
born and raised in melbourne, glad i left. place is a cesspool
The insight I got from listening to the answers given by the two females are that it is wrong to assume that everyone actually cares about what is objectively true. It was shocking that the young woman, when asked about the implications of allowing males to compete with females, did not seem to grasp that it would mean the displacement of females from sport. The women appeared to be completely oblivious to both the incoherence of their position, and the wider implications of their position.
00:37:00 “On average, are men stronger than women?”
*Loooooong pause*
“Are we talking… like…strength?”
😢
It’s amazing how the women with conviction that biological men should be able to play women’s sport clearly don’t play competitive sport.
Isn’t it amazing that the “success” of “trans” athletes only goes in one direction? Where are the “trans men” dashing records in men’s sports?
@@PowderedToastMan661 it’s quite wrong to assume that biological men always have the advantage in women’s sports. I mean, look at that Finnish figure skater 😂
@@nf6386 That was a disaster 🤣
@@nf6386 That was hilarious
Interestingly, the one participant contradicts herself moments later. Turned to the other participant and said 'we're just different'. Also, notice her grimace when Peter asks 'on average are men stronger than women'.
My favorite quote from a previous video is ‘there are only two sexes and sometimes it matters’. That’s the entire debate in a nutshell.
Love that quote
Exactly, sounds stupid to have to say this but, it matters where it matters.(ie. sports, law, bathrooms, medicine)
Is that a Helen Joyce quote?
@@nforne That’s correct. Guess I was too lazy to verify earlier.
Its incredibly rare to hear voices on both sides like this. Well done by both sides of the debate
When you are born the doctor flips a coin to decide your gender.
Yikes...these women are CLUELESS about men and women's sports.
Exactly..like have they ever even PLAYED sports? I have, and Lord knows I wouldn't want a dude swinging a field hockey stick at my head or hurling a 90mph softball in the general area of my reproductive organs. 😮
They clearly have no interest or idea how much some women and girls invest in sport just to have all their efforts trashed by cheating men.
You have the genitals you have, yet are somehow "assigned". When we finally get over this lunacy, there is going to be a lot of denial and cringe when people look back at how irrational the human psyche can be.
Non stop gaslighting about this for sure
Then they’d have to admit they were wrong… it’ll never happen, people will only double down
Absolutely sick that all these ADULTS can barely understand this and got the luxury of growing up without any of this confusion yet now throw this on our children 😢
Excellent use of the Socratic method to facilitate discussion and further understanding.
You know what the problem is... there people didn't come to those conclusions by themselves. They are using language made up by ideologues and are repeating the talking points of the ideology. Basically they have a religious stance, based on beliefs and not backed by evidence.
you think you don't do that all day long on many multitude of common things such as the definition of "cheese"
@afuzzycreature8387 Sure, to some extent definition & categories are used all day without examination, but my gut sense there’s a difference between a definition of cheese based on a long history of real world experience and a movement that, at its core I believe, is gaslighting people to believe the opposite of reality: “This IS that. Silence IS violence. Trns women ARE women. Freedom IS slavery.”
@@afuzzycreature8387yes, but we haven't accepted ideas without utility. When you come across euphemisms you know it's emphasising a narrower frame of reference, or it's a gambit to change the definition/epistemology of common parlance. This is being done for an ulterior motive, that is evidence of ideology and not empirical objectivity.
No worse, because it’s not backed up by research, years and centuries, sources, and also cross verified by its opposer…. Science is religions opposer and as far as I can tell the belief in religion is backed by scripture, dates, CENTURIES of passing on stories and knowledge, and religions own opposer even verifies some dates and artifacts and what not, or even has natural explanations for some of the supernatural things described in religion……
Literally the only evidence this whole movement has is that people sometimes are attracted to just about anything, and also will make themselves appear and act in any way they deem fit…. So a man can love a man, but there’s still a MAN (and a woman) like, I can put on a wig and stuff my shirt and make myself appear “more like a woman” but that doesn’t make me not man or even something else or inbetween….. it’s so funny this whole ideology. All the different sun categories of rainbow people also in fight and make claims that “debunk” or “erase” the “truth” and and legitimacy and the experience of other rainbow groups….
Hell it seems even gender dysphoria and trans people genuinely seem to go through hell and have no idea what’s even going on with THEMSELVES. How can you even claim that you can claim to be something? Last time I checked your identity was based on how OTHERS view you…. Identity is negotiated with society….. you can’t identify as something that others refuse you are EVEN if those others are LYING! Think about it, someone could lie about your identity and even though it’s not true, because that person is lying, others might think it’s true and that can effect you LIKE it’s true! Got ‘em there too!
Literally I can’t imagine the mental pain/gymnastics these wackos must put themselves through….. like, gay people exist, people who claim they are the OPPOSITE sex exist, people claim to be all sorts of thing, do all sorts of things too. But at the end of the day, you are what you are. The harder you try to pretend your not-the harder your life will be and the harder you make it for ALL those around you. What’s with the PUSH for all this crap? Last time I checked, gay people and trans people just are gay or trans and find that out on their own and make all the changes themselves without being told how to do it or what they should do….. don’t need the propaganda because the propaganda will only confuse CONFUSED and SUSCEPTIBLE people. The real gays and trans find a way to be gay and trans lol…. If everyone knows what gender they feel like even as a CHILD then surely we don’t have to talk about it at ALL no?
Humans being humans, basically..
If I were born intersex I'd be pissed at being used as a beard by trans activists, and a man that loses his junk in a car accident *definitely* shouldn't be classed as intersex. If you insist on over-simplifying, intersex means *at least* both types of genitals in some measure, not one less. You might argue losing your junk makes you (more) androgynous but that's something else altogether.
Even if I had gender dysphoria, I wouldn't want to be associated with woke college kids with pink hair and nose piercings.
@@DDR99999 I only object to the 'woke' in your summation. I used to be quite cool in the 90s with the pink haired and the nose pierced.
@@antimonycup7066 I meant it in a funny way, I get it that trans activists stole that look 😅
@@DDR99999 That's fine, for me personally the subject is serious enough to choose my words precisely, especially on one of Peter's videos. I was crass enough to quote from NWA's Fat Girl on an Aba and Preach video an hour ago, _in a funny way._ 🙂
@@antimonycup7066
sex:
the state of being either male or female in most species of metazoans. In humans, each cell nucleus contains 23 pairs of chromosomes, a total of 46 chromosomes. The first 22 pairs are called autosomes. Autosomes are homologous chromosomes, that is, chromosomes that contain the same genes (regions of DNA) in the same order along their chromosomal arms. The 23rd pair of chromosomes are called allosomes (sex chromosomes). These consist of two X chromosomes in most all females, and an X chromosome and a Y chromosome in most all males. Females, therefore, have 23 homologous chromosome pairs, while males have 22. The X and Y chromosomes have small regions of homology called pseudoautosomal regions. The X chromosome is always present as the 23rd chromosome in the ovum, while either an X or Y chromosome may be present in an individual spermatozoon cell gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either (anatomical) hermaphrodites or of indeterminate sex (or to be more accurate, disordered sex). That does not negate the incontrovertible FACT that there are but two sexes/genders. In order for reproduction to take place, there is the requirement of a female ovum and a male sperm to unite, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division of most species of animals is to enable procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the individual in question. There is no third gamete. Cf. “gender”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
If the reader is curious to know the reason for this term being included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because, in recent times, LEFTISTS have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the words “sex” and “gender”, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, immoral ideologies, especially by promoting the nonsensical idea that a person is able to transition from one gender to the other.
gender:
the state of being either male or female, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete. An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders. As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
In those rare cases in which a human is born without gonads, the other characteristics of sex/gender would be taken into consideration - firstly, the allosomes (sex chromosomes) found in the DNA of every cell, and then, any extant genitalia, since even those females who have experienced the misfortune of being born without ovaries, for instance, usually have their remaining sex organs intact).
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema.
If the reader is curious to know why this term is included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because leftists have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the word in recent times, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, sinful, objectively-immoral ideologies.
Until relatively recently, the word “gender” has ALWAYS been used in the etymologically-accurate sense of the term, and even in the former case, predominantly where leftist ideologues comprise a significant proportion of the population. See also “leftism”.
If you are truly wise and intelligent, you would surely have recognized several amazing secrets contained within the body of this treatise, “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”. However, perhaps the most secretive secret, shall forthwith be revealed:
It is IMPOSSIBLE for a human being to change his or her sex/gender! (You are implored to keep this secret - do not tell a soul!!!)
For example, a man who castrates himself and wears a skirt or a dress is simply a mutilated, transvestinal male - not a woman or a female. Similarly, a woman who attaches an appendage resembling a phallus to her crotch and dons a pair of pantaloons, is merely a transvestinal woman with a fake penis between her thighs, and not a man, nor a male, in any accurate sense of the terms.
Actually, I would contend that any “man” who excises his reproductive organs was ALWAYS a dickless “man”, metaphorically speaking. 🤪
"Hold on, Grandpa."
I'm curious what he was going to say. Lol
"Can people change their sex?" "Yes, they want to" 🤪
Funny how people say “sex is assigned at birth”, whilst I remember my fiancée’s ultrasound @20 weeks we were told by the midwife, “it’s a girl”. Sex _might be_ “assigned” at birth, but the chromosomal structure of our genus is determined in prophase. I am not a biologist, but I would assume this occurs hours or perhaps days after conception.
Well, I am a biologist (in New Jersey) & I say you'd better raise that baby as a boy, or you & your lovely fiancé are racist. I'm pretty sure that's how that works, but again, I'm only recognized as a biologist in New Jersey, so...
@@scottsherman5262😂😂😂
These people must hate gender reveal parties 🫢
@@anastasia-fr1gn Sex reveal parties...
Genus is a whole other catagory. By sex is determined the moment a sperm with either an x or y enters the egg.
If stupidity were a publicly traded stock, I'd invest in it!
Same!
Every time they get asked a thought provoking question you can see the answer pop in their head and then they go ok but what’s the safe answer and then say that out loud, fascinating
It's insane that people actually believe that men can become women 😅 it's all so crazy
They're basically black facing women.
You just need a dress and a wig
And "blackfacing" men. Since most transitioners today are female.
(But since we live in a gynocentric societies only the wellbeing and safety of women matter. And that has deep and necessary biological roots.)
@@kalig.4982but it seems that many of the f2m transitioners are primarily rejecting being a woman rather than seeking to become a man.
@@nf6386 , not true, TIFs are just as annoying as TIMs.
"Are men on average stronger?"
You can literally see her mind doing gymnastics to figure out how NOT to admit defeat
Conditioning...? That's a scary word.🤯 that's like forcing someone to do something they don't agree to do.
Very interesting. The two ladies in the conversation are clearly well-intentioned (and as someone who has spent decades espousing liberal views and feeling strongly about equality and fair society I understand their need to express inclusive sentiments) but they have no clue about the fact that literally every cell in your body is encoded with genetic information showing either male or female. This is true irrespective of hormone levels, surgeries undertaken or how someone dresses or outwardly expresses themselves. I'm happy for people to present themselves however makes them feel comfortable and actualised, and would fiercely fight for the rights of trans people to do so, but we have reached a point in our discourse where making honest statements about scientific facts is equated with bigotry and discrimination.
50 minutes of mostly peaceful conversation? 50 minutes of Peter Boghossian’s street epistemology? What a great day this turned out to be!
Yes, mostly peaceful. Don't know what ponytail man had stuck up his arse.
Peaceful until you reach the thumbnail 😂
@@danielh3668 mostly ;) just enough conflict to go with the discussion imo
Minority, please leave us alone. STOP stop making the majority 97 3% suffer from the minority 0.3% behaviors and actions.
#1) Only a tiny few transgirl males and transwomen males invade, disrupt, and compete against females in sports. This MINORITY destroys the female MAJORITY.
#2) Only a few transmen females pumped full of testosterone and have mental illnesses and LGBTQIA + mental illness people will commit rape, pedophiles, child molesters, groomers, and mass shootings at Christian Schools to commit HATE CRIMES killing Christian kids and teachers. Once again, the MINORITY is destroying the MAJORITY ( Christian kids).
#3) Gun laws and the 2nd amendment rights are risk of being taken away from the MAJORITY of responsible gun owners because the MINORITY with mental ilnesses like psychotic, LGBTQIA +are committing massive school shootings and most of the crimes against nature, but NOT THE MAJORITY. #4") However, the gun rights are taken away from the MAJORITY because the MINORITY won't follow the gun laws.
#5) Freedom of speech is being destroyed by the MINORITY and LGBTQIA + activits because anyone who expresses a different opion gets xensored, canceled, fired from jobs and beatvup at rallies by the MINORITY ewgo are do powerful from corporations and Hollywood and left wing liberals. The MINORITY has destroyed free speech by declaring every opinion from the MAJORITY that is different from theirs is HATE SPEECH, BIGOTRY, TRANSPHOBIC, HOMOPHOBICs, DISCRIMINATION AND HATERS.
#6) Freedom of religion of the MAJORITY has been destroyed by the MINORITY who are Aetheist, Satanists and BELIEVERS in Transgender Ideology as their new religion.
#7) When the MAJORITY read Bible scriptures aoud at protests rallies, the MINORITY calls this hate speech and the MAJORITY is arrested by cops GO TO JAIL.
#7) The MINORITY celebrates gay pride month and can't reproduce their own children because TWO EGGS or two sperms CAN'T MAKE BABIES, the MAJORITY who procreate all the babies and children are MANDATED to celebrate pride month, drag queen story hour, frag queen explicit sex shows for kids, name men shaking their junk in ftontbof kids at pride parades, which goes against the MAJORITY right to Freedom of theirvown expressions nitvto engage in pride month celebrations
This was just painful to watch. Them girls having their ideology ripped apart infront of them but just refusing to even acknowledge their opinions are just wrong. The cognitive dissonance was off the scale
I love how on the bill board it advertized "the rabbit hole"
Peter is doing his best to be respectful of everyone's ideology. I respect that. God bless.
"Whether I agree or not, that is actually what happens" (on how hospitals observe ("assign") M or F at birth) - what an ASTOUNDING statement
hospitals dont assign M or F at birth- they acknowledge M or F. M or F gets assigned in the womb.
I hate when they say we assign it. We don’t. We observe and record it.
@@tracyaf6084You don't flip a coin?🤔🤔🤔
@@tracyaf6084 TRUE. Will edit to reflect, thank you!
@@tupacalypse88 that’s what it makes it sound like 😂 I’ve been attending deliveries for almost 2 decades as a nurse and I’ve never assigned anything. I’ve observed and happily told families what they have. Most of them nowadays know before delivery.
When Peter asked about the botched surgery and the women said,” is there a hole?” I lost it
Bonus hole!!!
It’s just about the genitals you have, except when the recreated genitals are poorly constructed to the point of being unrecognisable, then it’s about intent, but if a man unintentionally loses his genitals, then it’s about the absence of alternative genitals, and if there’s no surgery at all, then it’s about mental conviction, not genitals. This reminds me of Sacha Baron Cohen trolling vapid fashionistas as Bruno, leading them to agree to completely contradictory statements back to back, then asking “…and do you think consistency is important?”
@@nf6386 this is great! and you're exactly right, there is zero consistency in their reasoning, or lack thereof.
That made me so sad for her. Does she see her own vagina as nothing but a “hole”?
Lol, exactly. Women always complain that men are sexualizing and objectifying women while they are the ones thinking all that defines a woman is a “hole”
39:41 Just an example - Women’s fastest 400m sprint was 47.6 seconds ran in 1957 by an East German runner (without a doubt she was juicing). US Boys fastest 400m sprint…44 seconds.
God bless him for dealing with these idiots. Sounds like a bunch ducks quacking in a pond. Not a lucid thought between them.
I would like to see if these women would agree when a man who says he is a woman invades their space in the way we have been seeing happen in the media.
Nicely done Peter! Keep asking the questions - somebody has to do it ;-)
That's the plan!
for me it all started to unravel when one of the two girls was asked if men would have any advantage over women in a strength competition and she said "no" - I mean its not a secret, all the world records are available on line and men are stronger... its an important (and very easily confirmed) fact which you should certainly know if you are advocating for flattening the male/female sport categories. I was listening intently and trying my very best to see their side until that point when simple undeniable facts started getting warped in order to support their argument 😞
No way I find this channel a month after you come to melbs
Every time one of these women makes the argument that they would be perfectly happy and feel perfectly safe allowing biological males into their locker rooms, changing rooms and especially shelters, I just wish the next follow-up question to them would be "Have you ever been punched in the face by a man?" I am guessing the answer is no.
Same here! I also would like to know if they have ever thought why women might need a female shelter...
I think they believe in the good of people so strongly that they just can't fathom what could ever go wrong if there were no separate spaces for men and women in restrooms, changing rooms, sports competitions, abuse shelters, etc. ESPECIALLY for children and pubescent teens
I feel perfectly safe letting rapists and murderers into female locker rooms. People who are right wing get their own locker rooms where these people aren't allowed.
I would also like to.know if they believe we should have the right to fmle only things or if they agree with the T movement making it illegal to exist via "discrimination"
Why would you assume a trans woman in a women’s restroom would be punching people? Silly argument
It’s sad to see an old man with such little control of his emotions that he literally heils out of frustration
He's indoctrinated and feels socially pressured to lose his temper and sieg heil to attack and 'out' the guy with the boarding. Ironically, I feel that this old geezer has the predisposition and personality to have been one of the first to fanatically get behind the Nazi movement back in pre-WW2 Germany and feel proud and vindicated to be part of that.
most western woke cultists are like that. and then they accuse you of being hateful and angry.
As a Jew, it really...to put it lightly...irks me on multiple levels to see that man claim Let Women Speak = "N" with the salute.
Is that man’s claim in the room with you now?
Such patience and determination to so calmly try to reason with the indoctrinated children .
Respect
Despite the interruption, this was a great, respectful conversation with diverse viewpoints. Check out Richard from Common Ground Conversations, who participated in this conversation. commongroundconversations.co/
Great and lowly are RELATIVE, Pete. ;)
Incidentally, are you VEGAN?
I often marvel at the amount of patience you display.
@@tharkun21280 As a former Portlander, I can only imagine being a professor at PSU cultivated that saintlike patience! Phew.
1:37
Is that your copy?
At first that young woman seemed so rational. Until it became clear that she had no regard for factual information and apparently rationalizes everything through emotion.