This is a reminder to be gentle in the comments, please. One of my aims it to help people to speak across divides and listen to others. I’d urge everyone to try and model this behavior here.
Yes we should be gentle and speak with compassion but we also need to call out the obvious hate for white people this group has. In the same way I would call out a white person hating on black people.
The only divides I noticed were the ones they had created for themselves. Perhaps you should have challenged them a bit more if your goal is greater unity.
@@astralcowboy5511 Peter is not there to challange anyone on anything. This is to understand how and why people think what they think. Not to see who is right and who is wrong.
@@adrianopadovani4545he’s used questioning to challenge people’s positions, assumptions, used hypotheticals to do same and provoke introspection to question why they hold the belief they do. None of that here.
Genuine question Peter, when you see some of the comments that are being left under this video, does it make you wonder about the kind of audience you've cultivated? I'm asking this as a long-time member of your audience myself, I've been following you since your fist appearance on Rogan, before even the grievance studies affair.
I like it! It's refreshing to hear the honesty. Other racial demographics, particularly whites, have largely been convinced to very, very carefully lie publicly (and often even privately) about any non-politicly correct opinions they may have regarding race. Black people are the only demographic in America given carte blanche freedom to say whatever they think, no matter how disparaging or hateful, toward any other race that they wish. I WANT to hear it. We should be striving toward that standard of open honesty for every race. Racism will never go away, it is an intrinsic part of the human condition, and we will never surpass our difficulties with it by trying ever more assiduously to publicly hide it.
@@Muonium1 Do you think mostly ADOS people have this privilege? Or do Afro-latinos and Africans from Africa and African diaspora who don't live in the USA have this privilege too. The entire world is heavily driven and influenced by ADOS deep culture.
I'm white. I didn't build ANY credit until well into my adult life and I was living at home for way too long. When I needed a car loan they asked me for "all the stuff you can't produce" as well. It isn't a race thing, it's a class thing.
Whether or not they ask isn't even a class thing. They ask everyone to produce the same stuff. Even a rich celebrity will struggle to get a loan if they have shit credit. Banks only care about money.
@@dannydevlin1893 If you're being serious, and asking in good faith, I would direct you to the comments section of any TH-cam clip from the Daily Caller. I, too, was skeptical that white on black racism was still a serious concern in the US. I'd encourage you to check it out for yourself. If you still disagree, fair enough.
Telling a young boy that he's doomed right off the bat, that his chances of success are very small, that the system is designed for him to fail is not the way to go. I think that's just as harmful as telling him that racism doesn't exist. Both extremes are bad.
Definitely agree with this. The last thing we should tell any child is that they’re going to fail! Deal with situations as they happen that are specific to the issue. A child can have some amazing teachers who will help them achieve great things, especially if that’s the expectation. High expectations are better than low expectations.
the woman towards the end's positive message was "don't automatically assume things about black people", that's great advice but she completely fails to recognize they've all been making assumptions about both black and white people throughout the entire talk
Do you think if we had equal probability minorities would find more fullfilment? roll a dice with a majority of one color is equal possibility. roll a dice with the equall amount of colors on each side is equal prabability. reintegration is key to an answer around race segregation. without the equal probility before hire there is a minority dillema.
What's interesting about these street conversations is that talking to random people allows access to their unfiltered thoughts. What they spontaneously believe without prior reflection. And so, it provides a glimpse into the prevailing mindset, cultural narrative, and the collective fictions that society propagates. What's particularly intriguing in this specific case is that these African Americans, all of whom seem quite friendly and open, grew up in a context where they were taught that they were second-class citizens and that the system was against them. It's quite understandable: the history of the United States is still freshly marked by segregation, which some grandparents or great-grandparents still remember. Society has evolved too quickly for the collective narrative to catch up. Today, it's the opposite: the system is actively working to rectify its mistake, and numerous measures are in place to favor (yes) Black individuals in the system with the affirmative action, which is essentially positive discrimination, or with all the diversity and inclusion policies all arround campuses and the corporate world. Furthermore, the notion that whites are generally racist is a fallacy. Whites are the racial category that self-loathes the most: they are the only ones with a negative self-opinion, meaning below zero, while all other racial groups are above the bar at varying percentages. So, far from being racist, today's white individuals are feeling remorseful for a situation to which they, in reality, didn't contribute at all. However, what a pity it is for these individuals to be so deeply ingrained with these limiting beliefs! It's impossible for this not to have an impact on their future - growing up believing they are destined to fail in a racist society. What a psychological hindrance, what a stumbling block, when in reality, that's not the case! Especially for individuals like this boy, who seem to be so full of potential. But kudos to Peter Boghossian for skillfully leading this conversation (and all the others), which will undoubtedly make them reconsider their assumptions and perhaps encourage them to fact-check their statements with a discerning eye.
Crazy part is that America ended slavery, at the cost of over 500k lives before PR did, the Spanish crown even compensating slave owners for the freedom of the slaves..
I am white. I have been homeless. The only thing that stopped me from being homeless was getting an education and a job. No one is stopping a black person from doing that. When I was on government assistance, no one gave me a break. They checked EVERYTHING. If I made two hundred bucks freelance, my welfare would be reduced. So...where was my white privilege all that time? In fact, government assistance programs are designed to help POC a lot more, with grants that go towards them, helping them buy first-time homes, etc. Right now in California, there's a program that is helping ONLY POC buy houses, the cap being a house at 1.2 million. Look it up.
Gov assistance was made for White Men. To keep them in the home after drinking up their entire check. The white women complained they couldn’t pay rent or buy food. So they gave benefits to white men to help keep the American Family together
Do you think if we had equal probability minorities would find more fullfilment? roll a dice with a majority of one color is equal possibility. roll a dice with the equall amount of colors on each side is equal prabability. reintegration is key to an answer around race segregation. without the equal probility before hire there is a minority dillema.
It's really frustrating to see how many people just repeat what they've heard and act like it's true without ever doing any research whatsoever. What's even more frustrating is that if you show them evidence that proves them wrong, you are usually accused of some form of hatred.
@@AnAn___ Sorry but I don't see how your replies are relevant to my comment. I never said anything about age, sex or race. It seems like you're arguing with yourself about claims that no one made.
I can basically hear the news headlines echoing from their words. Media is such an extremely powerful tool. If you don't actively try to unbias your newsfeed you'll sound just like them. But most people don't have time for that and just switch on one or the other news channel.
Is it really though? There is massive manipulation causing this, and it’s only going to get worse as the next election gets closer. Especially if Trump is able to run. There will be riots over ridiculous crap again
You would never see your privilege, because it's part of your everyday life. Everyone has some sort of privilege depending on what society they live in. Here's an example. As a man I have some privileges. An employer would never have to worry about me being pregnant and create more expenses for the company. My privilege is I don't have to worry about that, but women do. It is rare for a pregnant woman to get a job and it would be hard for that woman to prove she didn't get the job because she's 4 months pregnant. But it does happen.
@@jean-pierre5221 thats not a systemic privilege (i.e. preferential treatment enacted thru laws/policies), but a biological reality. Same thing why africans make great distance runners and the nba is 90% black.
@@h.r.h.6179 1) I never said it's systemic, the orginal comment was talking about privilege and I stated eveyone has privilege depending on the society you live in. 2) Biological or not, it is ILLEGAL to reject someone based on pregnancy status, but it still happens. As the old saying goes it not what you know it's what you can prove and there no way you can prove you've been rejected because you're pregnant. Personally I think systememic privilege is the wrong word to describe what's happening. The best phrase is cultural privilege, because Unfortunately some cultural norms end up on the system. 3) Comparing sports hiring practises to other jobs such as admin work is stupid and you know it. People should be hired because they are the BEST for the JOB. Ps. I used pregnant women as an example to prove privilege does exist and culture determines it.
The system isn't stacked against them. I'm first generation here and I bought a house on my own. The system is equal you just have to figure it out. A lot of people want the system to figure it out for them.
It's crazy how you can go to a random black person on the street and they start saying nonsense like "we built this country for free" the amount of revisionist nonsense these people spew with 200% confidence that they're right is insane.
Raised alongside their white peers in the freest most equal nation on earth, PLUS put up on a pedestal and given extra privileges including lower entry requirements into universities and quotas to help them into careers... and then a get-outa-jail-free card when they burn the place down because even that's not enough.... No wonder this is the result when we as a society treat them like spoiled toddlers.
I don't understand what they think they're saying when they say that. Black slaves were a tiny percentage of the population. It's mathematically impossible that "they built this country". At best, they could say they helped.
Especially knowing the reality, for example the stats about police killings, he doesn't stand there to correct anyone or "put words in your mouth". It's hard to overlook those errors but doing so moves the discussion along.
@@czarcasm451Overlooking errors moves conversations along? No, it just perpetuates the nonsense these people think when people don't push back on them. These people walk away thinking what they said was true. You're not having a conversation if you can't have a differing opinion - ESPECIALLY if your opinion is factual!
There is a podcast called Cartier family I have been watching for a while. Each episode is 4 or 5 young men who are track teammates at Louisiana. They watch and react to videos of subjects from comedy to history to current affairs. They’ve watched a Thomas Sowell clip and it’s so cool to see them learn and discuss things that are mostly never talked about. People are taught the same narratives and talking points that we hear from the people in this video and these claims are usually unfounded or at least exaggerated. I found it awesome to watch these guys learning facts that have been hidden away. I think the way forward is to realize that most people don’t carry hate towards others and denying yourself a positive view of the world will only hurt yourself. Loved the conversation at the end.🤟
So awesome, me too. I first saw them reacting to a Bill Burr stand up bit. They loved it. They're a thoughtful group of young men, I've seen them discuss Malcolm X, and Trump and MLB and Biden, and stand up... I always find common ground with them on one subject or another. And I'm a 55 year old Asian BB fan... LOL!
That's propaganda, you're falling for the "based black guy"-trap where you take the minority "based" (sometimes they're just faking it/grifting) black guy so you can ignore the bigger problem and reject all REAL solutions which isn't "edumucation" but separation.
These conversations are valuable. It's important for us to realize not everyone has the same experience. As a Polish American when I have conversations about what we faced growing up some black friends feel offended that I even suggest we faced any discrimination. When I have the same conversation with someone from Chicago, white or black, they immediately resonate with what I say because they grew around a large contingent of Polish Americans. I think Peter's resolve in these conversations is admirable because it isn't easy for people to see things from a perspective they haven't experienced and we all have a tendency to view issues outside of any sort of moral standard and view it through the lens of the ethic's direct impact on ourselves.
Awesome. Yes. This is exactly his point. I feel a lot of this comment section is assuming a lot about Peter. I was at Peter's book reading for "How to Have Impossible Conversations". I was invited by a friend of mine who took a class from him during his time at PSU. We had a coffee with Peter and spoke to him for a long time. You can easily look up Peters politics and beliefs, but this isn't the point of his videos. The point is that he wants people to be able to converse about hard things. Having open and fair conversation. Especially people who are diametrically opposed in their beliefs. Open and fair conversation with hopes of progression, not regression.
Maybe I remember wrong, but I seem to remember that black immigrants from Nigeria do extremely well in America. If I remembered that correctly, there has to be something other than race that influences success or failure in life even more.
gotta love hombre peter. in the face of ginormous ignorance he maintains good faith'd, eager and honest effort to more successfully communicate. chapeau to Peter
It is not that hard. Almost every young person talks like them or significantly more woke than they talk in every social circle I have observed. Peter is use to this. Plus three of the four were impressive well intentioned people.
Communicating is not letting one person babble on in ignorance while remaining silent, which is all Peter seems to do. Peter knows the facts but almost never says anything.
@@spec24 These young people are the majority. You need to very gently and gingerly open them up to new possibilities. Which is what Peter did. I think Peter did here. Kudos to Peter!
A system that is designed to keep the black race down but yet simultaneously allows the Asian race to prosper is quite the thing. Really makes you think, doesn’t it.
Yea it’s almost as if the system is designed to benefit people affluent enough in their home nation who were able to immigrate to a new country and have no credit here over the descendants of slaves and people who lived through Jim Crow laws and yes actual documented systemic discrimination. Crazy to think I know !
The main argument against that I've heard is that black people are conditioned to fail and believe that they can't succeed, and that's also part of the systemic racism. And I agree with that sentiment 100%; the only point of contention I've ever had with some people who make that argument is how much that failure/victim mindset is self-perpetuated by the black community and how big a percentage of the problem it is.
"conditioned to fail"@@atheistbushman That right there. For a lot of them, their whole life they are told that they will have to work "10x harder to get half the credit" that the system is out to get you, that cops are trying to shoot you, and the only way out is to become famous, and even then you aren't safe. This is told to them by their parents and grandparents, their politicians and community leaders, and by music and media. It comes from all sources. And what the ears hear, and the eyes see, the mind believes. And that's why so many make the choices they do. But Chilemba from Kenya didn't grow up with the same constant messaging.
If this group of people is representative of the black population in general, I'm officially conviced this is almost entirely a culture problem. This was absolutely extraordinary to see.
Be careful with the wording. There are a lot of black people in the US from very different cultures. As the people in this video have mentioned, it's an issue of parenting, education, available resources, and class. It's much more complex. You also have to keep in mind that the people who appear in those videos felt confident to talk their mind on camera and have their faces and statements on the internet. That'll already exclude a big chunk of people who won't do that.
@WaaDoku I think the wording was fine. I'm talking generally about the black American community, just as we often speak of the white or Latino community, etc.
@@DiogenesNephew BLM pretended that only white people can be racists. In my experience black people are probably the most racist group in our country. The second would be white liberals who think that black people aren't even capable of producing IDs when they vote.
@@DiogenesNephew Sure. I just wanted to point out that there are nuances that need to be addressed when talking about such issues or else the conversation might revert to oversimplified accusations. Same thing happens in the UK when they talk about "high Asian crime rates" when it's just some specific South Asian cultural groups that do most of the crime. If you can't name the problem, it makes it harder to find appropriate and sensible solutions to address the root causes.
I had my car towed 2 months ago by a Hispanic man who came to America illegally. He owned the truck we were riding in, as well as two other trucks in his small company. He also had just purchased a limo so that he could start a small limo business on the weekends. We passed his home as he was towing my car, it was a VERY large home probably in the $450k-$500k range. In the State of Alabama very large homes can be purchased for this amount. I asked him what he thought about America, since he was a 1st generation immigrant. He stated that he loved America, that he was able to work hard and provide for his family in ways he could never do in Mexico. He then stated that he could not in his mind understand why people come to America, or live in America, and expect free handouts. He even went into a rant about some of his own countrymen who have come to America and have refused to work hard, thus they stay in poverty. This guy got it, he understood, even better than me, what it takes to succeed and how to do it. When I got out of the vehicle I had a new respect for those that work hard in this country, those that refuse to be coddled by the government, and refuse to live off handouts. If this guy could succeed and start from nothing then there is ZERO excuse for the rest of us.
I just had a shock when the lady said that her mother and grandmother were picking cotton as slaves. Is she actually 160 years old or something? Did you just interview a day-walking vampire? Maybe she just didn't feel like saying her great-great-great grandmother or something. Which being the 5th generation from slavery and doing as well as she appears to be doing is very impressive. Really a testament to the amount of opportunity available to all Americans.
Slavery was happening before the country was really built. It supplied goods, not construction, and a lot of those goods were exported. Slavery ended in 1864, not 1964, and it didn't make the nation wealthy, it made wealthy families wealthier. Most Americans couldn't afford slaves.
"We built this country for free" and "Doing all the work" fall flat when you consider that at the height of slavery, slaves made up less than 30% of the labour force. I am not downplaying their influence but "WE built the country"?
@@dudeorduuude5211If it's true that this 30% labor force was made to work for free, then it stands to reason that there were/are many people locked out of generational wealth that generated from this 30%. That is an obvious downstream effect.
Wasn't it more a case of that slaves contributed to the South's economy. But the heavily industrialised North contributed far more to the U.S. economy overall.
The US economy shifted from agriculture to manufacturing. So it became less and less dependent on the South and its agriculture. That's why it didn't really matter to the North whether slavery was abolished, since manufacturing used white employees, not slaves.@@samhirst2830
Victimhood is increasing in America, we are so desperate to get love from others that we forget the harsh reality of success and what it takes to get what America has to offer, that's my opinion on this topics Peter
This kind of grievance/victim politics is an absolute dead end. It will never be satisfied whatever happens, the grievance just feeds off itself and goes on forever.
Thanks peter for posting this. That’s me in the video lol. I’ve been reading these comments and a lot of you have opinions that have challenged my way of thinking. Thank you for all of you that have been respectful with your opinions. i was simply being as honest as i could based off my own experience as a black kid from chicago. P.S(The shortest month comment is a inside joke we make lol)
Said the Black people vacationing in San Juan, with nice designer brand clothes, jewelry, and accessories, as well as nails, hair, lashes all on point. Where is our family vacation money? Our privliged access to all of these life luxuries??? Are they victims or success stories? Me and my wife home schooled 4 children, saved our money for their education, quality food, modest clothing, and sacrificed our 'best' youngest years simply in each others humbled but loving company to pay off a mortgage while others (of all types) splurged on dining out, new car leases, vacations multiple times a year, and so on. This is not a color argument. My family relatives came here in debt and despair as remaining survivors of the holocaust, but they worked, saved, were humble, and sacrificed.
Everyone in America owes black women gratitude for continuously saving the country/world. I have a poster of black women putting up the American flag at Iwo Jima , another one depicting black women marching through Paris after the liberation of France and my personal favorite showing them storming the beaches of Normandy.
As a white woman, their comments got me like 👁️👄👁️ about how ridiculous they were. Saying all white women are “easy” or “submit to their husbands” is completely lumping people together by race and discriminatory. White people -believe it or not - are individuals with various DIFFERENT cultures, religious and personal values. My partner is Indigenous and he chose me because he loves blue eyes and blonde hair. I chose him because Im attracted to brown skin and brown eyes. We are attracted to what we don’t have. That’s the mystery folks 😂❤.
Black women are mostly masculine as fuck. White women are generally way more feminine and respectful. They were speaking euphemistically in generalities. But that’s what black men who date white women say; not in front of masculine black women. It’s not really the case that people are in general attracted “to what they don’t have” as you put it. Interracial marriage is the minority.
I had a black woman say that to my face and when I asked her why she thinks that and she said because the men stick around so white woman must be putting up with a lot if shit.
you’re proving her point. white women are easy and submissive. that’s why they choose brown men over white men (like you). because white men have been taught to submit and be passive with women. white culture has been neutered in america.
Notice that they're saying its "impossible" to provide a tax return or paystubs. Also, transactions like that are usually confidential and have no real way of verifying outside of one on one communication between the participants. No one ever tells the person they're interviewing for the mortgage that they're racially profiling someone. They're just stating beliefs based on their own feelings and other people's claims. I've had so many people come to me when their friend or family member applied for a loan and complain that they're being treated unequally. They always say "We're exactly the same! why can't I do this?!" and when you go in and look at the statistics of it, they've got a high FICO score, a huge down payment, they provided ample documentation, etc.
One of the women said that white women are "easy". Where I cone from in the UK, that means promiscuous. Yet she talked about black women being very often single mothers with several children. Who are the easy ones?
Let's not call out the obvious with that one, and remember they are the superheros that tell their young sons to fear the cops and white people are bad, make it make sense
I've heard that a lot of them become pregnant before they even finish high school, so they have to drop out. If that's the case, then it's no wonder that their communities don't make much progress.
Dang. I wish I knew to use my white card. lol. I applied for a police department once and went through the interview. My credit score was in the 500s range and they told me to build that up first. The reason would be that I would be more likely to take bribes or whatever. And they didn't let me get a free pass for being white. I actually had to build up my credit for loans too. I also want to personally thank that lady for building America for free.
I spent 27 years in a textbook-definition cult. Getting out took deprogramming, therapy for PTSD, the whole thing. And these kids are regurgitating sound bites in the exact same way me and my fellows used to. You can tell from their dress, their speech patterns, and general demeanor that they were born into privilege and are practicaly WALLOWING in it. Yet, they have embraced a narrative of suffering and persecution that they have obviously NEVER had to live. The racial animus coming from them is like religious zealotry on ROCKET FUEL. It's gonna be real hard to get through to them with any sort of reality. My heart breaks for them.
Thank you Peter ❤ Since finding your channel a few weeks ago. I've watched quite a few interviews you've done and interviews with you and James Lindsey. I've also learned about the grievance studies. I now understand the mechanism of how this ideology permeated through our society and why so many people have adopted this ideology. Very eye opening and it's given me a new respect and understanding of these street epistemology videos. Thank you
I love the last lady who thinks Italians are their own race. You know a way to beat the system? Educate yourself. As for the black guy that said white women are more submissive--that's exactly why I don't want to date black men, they are so into gender roles. His answer to why black men want to date white women more almost came out as them being more... "attractive" but he stopped himself.
The reason February was picked by Carter G. Woodson a black man because the two most famous presidents were born that month Lincoln and Washington. It had nothing to do with the number of days in the month. People assume the negative.
"They gave us the month with the shortest days" 😂😂 just for this comment alone this might be the greatest video in the history of videos, even pre-internet. thanks Peter this has made my night, I had to put my mug of tea down there I was laughing so hard, it shouldn't be understated just how moronic, ridiculous and hilarious this one sentence is.
Yeah. It's just a matter of perception. A more positive way to look at it would be that they got the month of love because Valentine's Day is in February.
Peter is very smart he knows that he could defuse their argument with facts but he refrains from doing that to keep them from getting upset and combative
All I can say is that this is really painful to listen to, due mainly to such an ingrained misunderstanding of actual reality. Although there is some “give” or empathy, especially from the guy, there is still the resentment towards the “target” - the tired tropes. The crucial difference is that our current (and approximately half century since) culture - the powerful have sown so much of this split. It’s been a brilliant move, to be honest; they’ve used all of our own good nature against us, and dug their claws into our own will, speech, and freedoms. I’ll end there. Cheers, PB
I agree that this was intentional. I started to think this after the "maga kid" incident and the "Central Park Karen" incident. In both incidents the facts were ignored by the media and what amounted to minor squabbles were turned into national news and were made to fit the narrative. In my opinion the establishment intentionally incited racial divisions and riots for political purposes. (Mainly against Trump and his supporters) It won't be easy to put the genie back in the bag.
It’s hardening many people’s opinions against them who would have otherwise been likely to agree with them. They are full of hatred and people are starting to take note. I couldn’t imagine a worse strategy to pull people to their side
@@isanynameavailable6I dont know if they care about winning anyone over. This is just a blatant expression of humanity's tendency towards tribalism and to nurse grudges and resentments.I make a point to listen to positive black voices (most of them are conservative) so I don't become jaded or tribal myself.
Incredible how glaringly obvious what Peter says at 30:20, or what he wrote in the firsr pinned comment, is not taken to heart by many in the comments. One of the tenets of How to Have Impossibe Conversations is to avoid being combative. The goal isn't to challenge or win in a conversation; it is to understand their position, ask them probing questions to allow them to examine their viewpoints and to always remain open to having your own views challenged and possibly even changed if presented with convincing enough evidence or information. Overtly challenging them puts the people in the conversation on the defence and less likely to challenge their own beliefs when they leave the converation. Peter ends at the perfect time when he has planted enough seeds to get them to examine their strongly held positions on their own time and terms. What I have found extremely interesting is the willingness of Peter to let go of any attachment to an outcome, especially how this quality has evolved over time as his street epistemology method has evolved. Truly an admirable goal to work towards in my own communication skills.
I agree to an extent. I think if we all would have the possibility to have a conversation with these people we would be more socratic in our approach. But since we are only passive observers of this event that took place in the past, I think it's fair to criticize some of the statements that have been made by those people in the past (especially the blatant racism and sexism). Additionally, and most unfortunately, Peter's audience is probably aligning very much with his personal views most of the time so it's to be expected that people will say what Peter might have thought but didn't say during his interviews.
I bought and read (well, listened) to his book as well, and while I'm not disagreeing with you completely in your assessment? I AM curious as to whether or not you recognize that he didn't "plant enough seeds" in this instance at all (no pushback, critique, leading socratic questions, or "devil's advocacy", in any capacity for these people to critically assess, let alone justify, their positions, or what it would take for their minds to be changed by a small amount). Just a hot mic for "white ppl think black ppl are inherently dangerous", "we built this country for free", and "obviously, cops shoot unarmed black men". He didn't even bother correcting the first lady in here when she kept collectivizing, and calling him white, which I've seen him do on numerous occasions. I'm NOT attributing intent, by any means here, as he very well may have just gotten distracted with all the tangents that kept creeping in? I AM saying that this wasn't his usual video style (at least, of the street epistemology variety).
these are nice people, Peter did a good job at lowering the tension and defensiveness. i hope one day they'll recognize the victim mentality they're holding on to and let go of it
Wow, these people have really been dealt a bad hand, by their parents, by the education system, by each other. Teaching them all the wrong lessons about who they are and how the world works and what needs to be done in order to succeed in the world... and placing the blame on all the wrong places
It's unfortunate that these folks are so uninformed and ignorant to the truth. It's hard to blame them, though, because at this point they've been lied to for their entire lives. The tall dude was almost coming around though, like when he was asked "what resources would help". He answered that "we need to tell black kids that they're not destined to fail"(paraphrased) And he's right. But they're not told that. They're told that cops are actively hunting them, so they're automatically on edge in any encounter, increasing chances of things going south. They're told that white people hate them, increasing animosity and violence. They're told that the "system" is against them, so why even try, right? Just go for the easy money. It's a narrative that has almost destroyed an entire community.
If I garner the esteem of blacks from whites in immaculately white communities, with very few or no black friends, they speak very highly of them. When I talk to whites who grew up in black communities, were a white minority in a black school, they tell me a different story.
I'd bet money it was a black person that told him as well. I found it ironic that he had a victim mentality but at the same time complained about the lack of cultural upliftment for Black people.
And "you should be a basketball player (because you're tall)" does not equal "you shouldn't or can't be a doctor, lawyer, etc." The mental gymnastics are insane...
There are so many great points from the heart, but also so much projection. At the end of this discussion, they talk about what could be done, and it almost feels like “my childhood didn’t have these things, so I need society to pick up the deficits and nurture me.”
I dont know if this is ignorance, but they even deminish the work of other black/brown people in my eyes. If your 400y surpressed and still havent found a way out, the problem us on you. Great interview so far Peter, love your work every time. Greetings from Belgium
I’m a first generation American, parents were immigrants and now American citizens. I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else in the world, nor my parents. You are responsible for your destiny!
Those people must have a very sad life. They're told and live their lives as victims. They do it to themselves. It's always someone else's fault, so they never have to take responsibility for their own mistakes.
I actually think they are all doing great for themselves. They're well dressed, got bling, some have several tattoos. They are more than well of from what it looks like. But complaining about bad stuff is always easier than acknowledging the privilege you already have.
I can't believe Peter Boghossian came to Puerto Rico, and I didn't know. I would have loved to see one of these live. I really enjoy these conversations and have learned a lot from his approach.
If the system was so racist how did he become a radiologist? If he's right it's not doing a good job at being racist lol. But if they want better outcomes start at the family, then start policing crime heavily so it's safe to do business, from there everyone's lives will improve, except the criminals.
Up until 1965, the United States was 90% white. So, in a way you _can_ say that the USA was "designed" to privilege white people, but that is because culturally and institutionally, the USA was built _by_ white people. That white culture is why so many people from around the world want to immigrate here, too, which is something _no one_ wants to talk about. If the entire country was like Detroit, _no one_ would want to come here. We're gonna find out how this works real soon, too, because the under 15 children cohort is white minority.
The system lowers entrance requirements for black to universities. What are you talking about. They want more black people so they can look more diverse.
The point of these street epistemology games is to get people to think about the confidence in their beliefs. You may not agree with what was said in this video, but these were candid opinions from real people. In a world that is mostly fake now, it’s a good thing that people are willing to openly share their opinion.
i think this was a great conversation, i dont agree with some of their points especilly when it came to the instutional racism, but they were honest, and thats all you can ask for in a conversation
@@arnoldcantu9583 Since many of them struggle to apply themselves just as everyone else is required, making the system racist excuses responsibility and promotes equity.
I would be interested in what points you agreed with because for me there wasn't much in there that was morally acceptable. True, they were very honest. But damn, the racism and misogyny they just unabashedly blurt out. "White women are more submissive to the word of the black man". Isn't that the same kind of stereotype some white men have about Asian women? Absolutely disgusting. Also that they'd rather choose a black man as a partner over a white man solely based on skin color. They didn't even ask about personality traits. I don't know but that doesn't sound like they want to live in a society where everybody's equal in value. They sure as hell don't act like it (except maybe the dude who seems to try really hard to be diplomatic).
Black History Month was recognized in 1976 by Gerald Ford and that is the only involvement outside of the black community. Black History Week was started by Carter G. Woodward in February to coincide with the birth date of Frederick Douglas. It later expanded into the entire month of February within the black community. Saying "they gave us the shortest month" suggests to me something that is all too common. People start with a premise they thing is true (e.g. systemic oppression) and then they assume a bunch of other things must also be true. If systemic oppression is true, and it's true that February is the shortest month, then it must be because of systemic oppression that Black History Month is in February.
It's hilarious that they give those racist white people credit for "giving" Black History Month to them, when it was actually a black person who conceived of the idea.
At 14.00 or so, the guy tells us that black kids are taught, _taught_ to not trust police, that the are set up to fail. Who is teaching them that? It's got to be at home. Where else would they be taught that? With that mindset in place from a young age, its no wonder things go the way they do in some situations. They are learning this stuff with no recourse, its something that is implanted in to them from a young age and seems to be something that is taught across the board. That is whats setting them up to fail. Some extra education, some showing of other perspectives could really go a long way but at the young ages where this is important, the opportunity is being missed. The chance to show them otherwise is sailing on by and no-one is doing anything to correct it.
@@ossoduro7794she was referring to single parenthood and emotion. The way she pronounced it was different. She said that because of black woman are a lot to handle black men prefer to go on the easier side (data and marry caucasian/latino/asian females). Isn't there a lot of evidence to suggest this is true? African Americans contributed a lot to the US economy in the 1890s and 1900s. The rising gaps between ADOS and non ADOS since 1970 does not negate the large contributions made by ADOS to the US economy before 1970. A larger percentage of US doctors were ADOS in 1940 than in 2018.
@@AnAn___ Yes, she used a nonexistent word and has a creative account of what they've achieved for this Nation, which doesn't amount to all that much. You're just as delusional as she.
The normal definition of systemic racism is that there is a disparate impact on different racial groups. I just want to know why the majority white nation instituted systemic racism to have Jews and Asians out perform all other groups.
This is a reminder to be gentle in the comments, please. One of my aims it to help people to speak across divides and listen to others. I’d urge everyone to try and model this behavior here.
Yes we should be gentle and speak with compassion but we also need to call out the obvious hate for white people this group has. In the same way I would call out a white person hating on black people.
The only divides I noticed were the ones they had created for themselves. Perhaps you should have challenged them a bit more if your goal is greater unity.
@@astralcowboy5511 Peter is not there to challange anyone on anything.
This is to understand how and why people think what they think.
Not to see who is right and who is wrong.
@@adrianopadovani4545he’s used questioning to challenge people’s positions, assumptions, used hypotheticals to do same and provoke introspection to question why they hold the belief they do. None of that here.
Genuine question Peter, when you see some of the comments that are being left under this video, does it make you wonder about the kind of audience you've cultivated?
I'm asking this as a long-time member of your audience myself, I've been following you since your fist appearance on Rogan, before even the grievance studies affair.
It’s astonishing how open these folks are with their racism
But but but they can’t be racist because they don’t have power or something 🤣
I like it! It's refreshing to hear the honesty.
Other racial demographics, particularly whites, have largely been convinced to very, very carefully lie publicly (and often even privately) about any non-politicly correct opinions they may have regarding race. Black people are the only demographic in America given carte blanche freedom to say whatever they think, no matter how disparaging or hateful, toward any other race that they wish.
I WANT to hear it. We should be striving toward that standard of open honesty for every race. Racism will never go away, it is an intrinsic part of the human condition, and we will never surpass our difficulties with it by trying ever more assiduously to publicly hide it.
The only thing that outshines their racism is their ignorance.
@@Muonium1 We should all be Clint East in Gran Torino racist.
@@Muonium1 Do you think mostly ADOS people have this privilege? Or do Afro-latinos and Africans from Africa and African diaspora who don't live in the USA have this privilege too.
The entire world is heavily driven and influenced by ADOS deep culture.
I'm white. I didn't build ANY credit until well into my adult life and I was living at home for way too long. When I needed a car loan they asked me for "all the stuff you can't produce" as well. It isn't a race thing, it's a class thing.
Sings: “It ain’t necessarily so...” 🎤
Whether or not they ask isn't even a class thing. They ask everyone to produce the same stuff. Even a rich celebrity will struggle to get a loan if they have shit credit. Banks only care about money.
I am white and was told to me have multiple times that they weren't hiring white guys.
These people are ignorant of facts.
Do you think there is systemic bigotry against ADOS when holding family income constant?
It's THEIR kids taken care of with our tax money. Who's really the slave?? They owe US if you ask me.
Imagine a group of white people bursting into fits of laughter when they were asked what they thought of black people in general.
😂
Many do.
@@HotelierNYC Oh yeah? Show me that clip plz
Oh, but I would. But I have actual statistics to back-up why I avoid them not the 70 IQ takes these responders had.
@@dannydevlin1893 If you're being serious, and asking in good faith, I would direct you to the comments section of any TH-cam clip from the Daily Caller. I, too, was skeptical that white on black racism was still a serious concern in the US. I'd encourage you to check it out for yourself. If you still disagree, fair enough.
Teach people they are victims and they will search their whole lives looking for their oppressors!
Thats a huge part of the problem and why this is STILL an ongoing conversation that should have progressed past this point by now.
Nah, i like that i can in 10 seconds after them opening mouth know, which education group they are part of, makes my life easier.
Telling a young boy that he's doomed right off the bat, that his chances of success are very small, that the system is designed for him to fail is not the way to go. I think that's just as harmful as telling him that racism doesn't exist. Both extremes are bad.
Definitely agree with this. The last thing we should tell any child is that they’re going to fail! Deal with situations as they happen that are specific to the issue. A child can have some amazing teachers who will help them achieve great things, especially if that’s the expectation. High expectations are better than low expectations.
Not having a father speaks louder than words.
Why bother trying at all, if you're told you'll be held back. Demoralizing. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
also known as Critical Race Theory
Yet he became a radiologic technologist. Was this in spite of what he was told, or because of?
the woman towards the end's positive message was "don't automatically assume things about black people", that's great advice but she completely fails to recognize they've all been making assumptions about both black and white people throughout the entire talk
lol indeed, seems like stereotypes actually exist for a reason
The term White Privilege encapsulates racist beliefs about white people.
The crime stats say everything we need to know tbh.
Do you think if we had equal probability minorities would find more fullfilment? roll a dice with a majority of one color is equal possibility. roll a dice with the equall amount of colors on each side is equal prabability. reintegration is key to an answer around race segregation. without the equal probility before hire there is a minority dillema.
It's really sad to witness the poisoning of young minds with this terrible ideology.
these people feel these ways already. you should think about why this is universal and what we can do to change it...
What's interesting about these street conversations is that talking to random people allows access to their unfiltered thoughts. What they spontaneously believe without prior reflection. And so, it provides a glimpse into the prevailing mindset, cultural narrative, and the collective fictions that society propagates. What's particularly intriguing in this specific case is that these African Americans, all of whom seem quite friendly and open, grew up in a context where they were taught that they were second-class citizens and that the system was against them. It's quite understandable: the history of the United States is still freshly marked by segregation, which some grandparents or great-grandparents still remember. Society has evolved too quickly for the collective narrative to catch up. Today, it's the opposite: the system is actively working to rectify its mistake, and numerous measures are in place to favor (yes) Black individuals in the system with the affirmative action, which is essentially positive discrimination, or with all the diversity and inclusion policies all arround campuses and the corporate world.
Furthermore, the notion that whites are generally racist is a fallacy. Whites are the racial category that self-loathes the most: they are the only ones with a negative self-opinion, meaning below zero, while all other racial groups are above the bar at varying percentages. So, far from being racist, today's white individuals are feeling remorseful for a situation to which they, in reality, didn't contribute at all.
However, what a pity it is for these individuals to be so deeply ingrained with these limiting beliefs! It's impossible for this not to have an impact on their future - growing up believing they are destined to fail in a racist society. What a psychological hindrance, what a stumbling block, when in reality, that's not the case! Especially for individuals like this boy, who seem to be so full of potential. But kudos to Peter Boghossian for skillfully leading this conversation (and all the others), which will undoubtedly make them reconsider their assumptions and perhaps encourage them to fact-check their statements with a discerning eye.
The Puerto Rican was genius. Answering “I don’t know” brilliant, relative to monumentally confident, unfact based delusion.
Loved him.
When there’s two people about to fight, the last place you want to be is in between them! Stay neutral and back away 😂😂😂
Crazy part is that America ended slavery, at the cost of over 500k lives before PR did, the Spanish crown even compensating slave owners for the freedom of the slaves..
Jarred Taylor wouldn't have stayed neutral.
Wow, just wow is all i have. The amount of self aggrandizement and at the same time blame is astounding.
They think they've all the bases covered in their convoluted conundrum.
This is what the victim mindset does.
It’s completely childlike. Zero accountability for anything unless it is positive. It’s like a mass Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
I am white. I have been homeless. The only thing that stopped me from being homeless was getting an education and a job. No one is stopping a black person from doing that. When I was on government assistance, no one gave me a break. They checked EVERYTHING. If I made two hundred bucks freelance, my welfare would be reduced. So...where was my white privilege all that time? In fact, government assistance programs are designed to help POC a lot more, with grants that go towards them, helping them buy first-time homes, etc. Right now in California, there's a program that is helping ONLY POC buy houses, the cap being a house at 1.2 million. Look it up.
It's straight up a class issue, period.
Gov assistance was made for White Men. To keep them in the home after drinking up their entire check. The white women complained they couldn’t pay rent or buy food. So they gave benefits to white men to help keep the American Family together
Oh look, here's a poor white. Racism doesn't exist after all. You missed the point of what they said by a mile you imbecile
Yeah but $1.2m buys you a single bedroom condo in Cali these days
Do you think if we had equal probability minorities would find more fullfilment? roll a dice with a majority of one color is equal possibility. roll a dice with the equall amount of colors on each side is equal prabability. reintegration is key to an answer around race segregation. without the equal probility before hire there is a minority dillema.
It's really frustrating to see how many people just repeat what they've heard and act like it's true without ever doing any research whatsoever. What's even more frustrating is that if you show them evidence that proves them wrong, you are usually accused of some form of hatred.
Don't almost all young people talk and think like them? Aren't the caucasian female young people the most woke of all groups?
@@AnAn___ Did you mean to reply to me or someone else?
@@oscarr9761 Replying to you.
These people are moderate to conservative (minus one female) compared to most young people where I live.
@@AnAn___ Sorry but I don't see how your replies are relevant to my comment. I never said anything about age, sex or race. It seems like you're arguing with yourself about claims that no one made.
@@AnAn___ This is a bot people. or a black female in her fweeeelings.............................
It’s astounding how brainwashed these people are
I can basically hear the news headlines echoing from their words. Media is such an extremely powerful tool. If you don't actively try to unbias your newsfeed you'll sound just like them. But most people don't have time for that and just switch on one or the other news channel.
@@WaaDoku yeah, this video is a perfect example. Really sad state of affairs.
Right? Unbelievable
@@WaaDokuWho owns the media?
@@TitaGoose Several different rich people, if we're talking about mainstream corporate media aka Big Media.
The ignorance exhibited by these people is stunning.
Is it really though?
There is massive manipulation causing this, and it’s only going to get worse as the next election gets closer. Especially if Trump is able to run.
There will be riots over ridiculous crap again
and brave, naturally
@@ossoduro7794no bravery. It’s ignorance. They have no fear. Bravery is doing something in spite of fear. They are too ignorant to even be brave
@@jamesbizs I concur. Sorry for not indicating my sarcasm in referencing the "stunning and brave" meme more clearly.
can someone explain to me where I can cash in on my white privilege? I could certainly use it right now.. 😞
If you find out, can you tell me? I've heard Asians are white adjacent so I'd like to cash in too 😂
You would never see your privilege, because it's part of your everyday life. Everyone has some sort of privilege depending on what society they live in.
Here's an example. As a man I have some privileges. An employer would never have to worry about me being pregnant and create more expenses for the company. My privilege is I don't have to worry about that, but women do. It is rare for a pregnant woman to get a job and it would be hard for that woman to prove she didn't get the job because she's 4 months pregnant. But it does happen.
@@jean-pierre5221 thats not a systemic privilege (i.e. preferential treatment enacted thru laws/policies), but a biological reality. Same thing why africans make great distance runners and the nba is 90% black.
@@jean-pierre5221how is that a privilege?
@@h.r.h.6179 1) I never said it's systemic, the orginal comment was talking about privilege and I stated eveyone has privilege depending on the society you live in.
2) Biological or not, it is ILLEGAL to reject someone based on pregnancy status, but it still happens. As the old saying goes it not what you know it's what you can prove and there no way you can prove you've been rejected because you're pregnant. Personally I think systememic privilege is the wrong word to describe what's happening. The best phrase is cultural privilege, because Unfortunately some cultural norms end up on the system.
3) Comparing sports hiring practises to other jobs such as admin work is stupid and you know it. People should be hired because they are the BEST for the JOB.
Ps. I used pregnant women as an example to prove privilege does exist and culture determines it.
The system isn't stacked against them. I'm first generation here and I bought a house on my own. The system is equal you just have to figure it out. A lot of people want the system to figure it out for them.
They were trained to think that way. That's what statist racism looks like: the dole
It's crazy how you can go to a random black person on the street and they start saying nonsense like "we built this country for free" the amount of revisionist nonsense these people spew with 200% confidence that they're right is insane.
Their levels of entitlement are off the charts too. Astounding lack of self-awareness
White students will likely say the same
It’s because most white people never push back on their foolishness. I think many realize it would be most likely a waste of time which it probably is
Raised alongside their white peers in the freest most equal nation on earth, PLUS put up on a pedestal and given extra privileges including lower entry requirements into universities and quotas to help them into careers... and then a get-outa-jail-free card when they burn the place down because even that's not enough....
No wonder this is the result when we as a society treat them like spoiled toddlers.
I don't understand what they think they're saying when they say that. Black slaves were a tiny percentage of the population. It's mathematically impossible that "they built this country". At best, they could say they helped.
Peter is such a good listener it’s incredible.
He genuinely gives a shit about these issues/activities. That and he's gifted at what he does, of course. :)
He’s has a doctorate in listening
@@Joeylikecoffee I'm 3 minutes in. Is that all he does? Ask questions and listen for the answer then invite discussion without any pushback?
Especially knowing the reality, for example the stats about police killings, he doesn't stand there to correct anyone or "put words in your mouth". It's hard to overlook those errors but doing so moves the discussion along.
@@czarcasm451Overlooking errors moves conversations along? No, it just perpetuates the nonsense these people think when people don't push back on them. These people walk away thinking what they said was true. You're not having a conversation if you can't have a differing opinion - ESPECIALLY if your opinion is factual!
There is a podcast called Cartier family I have been watching for a while. Each episode is 4 or 5 young men who are track teammates at Louisiana. They watch and react to videos of subjects from comedy to history to current affairs. They’ve watched a Thomas Sowell clip and it’s so cool to see them learn and discuss things that are mostly never talked about. People are taught the same narratives and talking points that we hear from the people in this video and these claims are usually unfounded or at least exaggerated. I found it awesome to watch these guys learning facts that have been hidden away. I think the way forward is to realize that most people don’t carry hate towards others and denying yourself a positive view of the world will only hurt yourself. Loved the conversation at the end.🤟
So awesome, me too. I first saw them reacting to a Bill Burr stand up bit. They loved it.
They're a thoughtful group of young men, I've seen them discuss Malcolm X, and Trump and MLB and Biden, and stand up... I always find common ground with them on one subject or another. And I'm a 55 year old Asian BB fan... LOL!
I thought it was so cool they got to interview Vivek Ramaswamy.
Call your family! 😊
That's propaganda, you're falling for the "based black guy"-trap where you take the minority "based" (sometimes they're just faking it/grifting) black guy so you can ignore the bigger problem and reject all REAL solutions which isn't "edumucation" but separation.
White people love to see black people "react" to "white" things...myself included. I'm going to check this out.
Yea also watch them they are amazing
These conversations are valuable. It's important for us to realize not everyone has the same experience. As a Polish American when I have conversations about what we faced growing up some black friends feel offended that I even suggest we faced any discrimination. When I have the same conversation with someone from Chicago, white or black, they immediately resonate with what I say because they grew around a large contingent of Polish Americans.
I think Peter's resolve in these conversations is admirable because it isn't easy for people to see things from a perspective they haven't experienced and we all have a tendency to view issues outside of any sort of moral standard and view it through the lens of the ethic's direct impact on ourselves.
Awesome. Yes. This is exactly his point. I feel a lot of this comment section is assuming a lot about Peter. I was at Peter's book reading for "How to Have Impossible Conversations". I was invited by a friend of mine who took a class from him during his time at PSU. We had a coffee with Peter and spoke to him for a long time. You can easily look up Peters politics and beliefs, but this isn't the point of his videos.
The point is that he wants people to be able to converse about hard things. Having open and fair conversation. Especially people who are diametrically opposed in their beliefs.
Open and fair conversation with hopes of progression, not regression.
@@jonathanolson1185 Yes I agree with you.
Maybe I remember wrong, but I seem to remember that black immigrants from Nigeria do extremely well in America.
If I remembered that correctly, there has to be something other than race that influences success or failure in life even more.
gotta love hombre peter. in the face of ginormous ignorance he maintains good faith'd, eager and honest effort to more successfully communicate. chapeau to Peter
Excellent comment. I hope more people react positively to it.
Yup
It is not that hard. Almost every young person talks like them or significantly more woke than they talk in every social circle I have observed.
Peter is use to this. Plus three of the four were impressive well intentioned people.
Communicating is not letting one person babble on in ignorance while remaining silent, which is all Peter seems to do. Peter knows the facts but almost never says anything.
@@spec24 These young people are the majority. You need to very gently and gingerly open them up to new possibilities. Which is what Peter did. I think Peter did here.
Kudos to Peter!
A system that is designed to keep the black race down but yet simultaneously allows the Asian race to prosper is quite the thing. Really makes you think, doesn’t it.
African immigrants from places like Nigeria are also doing well - they are not conditioned to fail
People India as well.
Yea it’s almost as if the system is designed to benefit people affluent enough in their home nation who were able to immigrate to a new country and have no credit here over the descendants of slaves and people who lived through Jim Crow laws and yes actual documented systemic discrimination. Crazy to think I know !
The main argument against that I've heard is that black people are conditioned to fail and believe that they can't succeed, and that's also part of the systemic racism. And I agree with that sentiment 100%; the only point of contention I've ever had with some people who make that argument is how much that failure/victim mindset is self-perpetuated by the black community and how big a percentage of the problem it is.
"conditioned to fail"@@atheistbushman
That right there. For a lot of them, their whole life they are told that they will have to work "10x harder to get half the credit" that the system is out to get you, that cops are trying to shoot you, and the only way out is to become famous, and even then you aren't safe. This is told to them by their parents and grandparents, their politicians and community leaders, and by music and media.
It comes from all sources. And what the ears hear, and the eyes see, the mind believes.
And that's why so many make the choices they do.
But Chilemba from Kenya didn't grow up with the same constant messaging.
You can see how bad a job our news organisations are doing.
From their perspective, they're doing a great job.
They are doing a great job at accomplishing their goals.
If this group of people is representative of the black population in general, I'm officially conviced this is almost entirely a culture problem. This was absolutely extraordinary to see.
Be careful with the wording. There are a lot of black people in the US from very different cultures. As the people in this video have mentioned, it's an issue of parenting, education, available resources, and class. It's much more complex. You also have to keep in mind that the people who appear in those videos felt confident to talk their mind on camera and have their faces and statements on the internet. That'll already exclude a big chunk of people who won't do that.
@WaaDoku I think the wording was fine. I'm talking generally about the black American community, just as we often speak of the white or Latino community, etc.
@lilleopard6537 Didn't say it was, did I?
@@DiogenesNephew BLM pretended that only white people can be racists. In my experience black people are probably the most racist group in our country. The second would be white liberals who think that black people aren't even capable of producing IDs when they vote.
@@DiogenesNephew Sure. I just wanted to point out that there are nuances that need to be addressed when talking about such issues or else the conversation might revert to oversimplified accusations. Same thing happens in the UK when they talk about "high Asian crime rates" when it's just some specific South Asian cultural groups that do most of the crime. If you can't name the problem, it makes it harder to find appropriate and sensible solutions to address the root causes.
I had my car towed 2 months ago by a Hispanic man who came to America illegally. He owned the truck we were riding in, as well as two other trucks in his small company. He also had just purchased a limo so that he could start a small limo business on the weekends. We passed his home as he was towing my car, it was a VERY large home probably in the $450k-$500k range. In the State of Alabama very large homes can be purchased for this amount. I asked him what he thought about America, since he was a 1st generation immigrant. He stated that he loved America, that he was able to work hard and provide for his family in ways he could never do in Mexico. He then stated that he could not in his mind understand why people come to America, or live in America, and expect free handouts. He even went into a rant about some of his own countrymen who have come to America and have refused to work hard, thus they stay in poverty. This guy got it, he understood, even better than me, what it takes to succeed and how to do it. When I got out of the vehicle I had a new respect for those that work hard in this country, those that refuse to be coddled by the government, and refuse to live off handouts. If this guy could succeed and start from nothing then there is ZERO excuse for the rest of us.
I just had a shock when the lady said that her mother and grandmother were picking cotton as slaves. Is she actually 160 years old or something? Did you just interview a day-walking vampire? Maybe she just didn't feel like saying her great-great-great grandmother or something. Which being the 5th generation from slavery and doing as well as she appears to be doing is very impressive. Really a testament to the amount of opportunity available to all Americans.
But she was a queen or some shit back in Africa
I think she just spoke imprecisely. She probably means in deep poverty for very low wages, likely in the deep South.
Slavery was happening before the country was really built. It supplied goods, not construction, and a lot of those goods were exported. Slavery ended in 1864, not 1964, and it didn't make the nation wealthy, it made wealthy families wealthier. Most Americans couldn't afford slaves.
Mainly cotton. The South was dependent on it, and was becoming more so every year.
The are more slaves (involuntary servitude) today than in the entire history of legal slavery in the US and nobody cares
What did you think of this conversation?
Democrats saying democrat things.
Brilliant video as always
Love you, Peter. Hope to see you on Tim Pool again.
Depressing to be honest
The victim complex is off the scale
"We built this country for free" and "Doing all the work" fall flat when you consider that at the height of slavery, slaves made up less than 30% of the labour force.
I am not downplaying their influence but "WE built the country"?
30% is pretty significant. If I were you, I would have argued that these folks didn't build anything, their ancestors did.
@@dudeorduuude5211If it's true that this 30% labor force was made to work for free, then it stands to reason that there were/are many people locked out of generational wealth that generated from this 30%. That is an obvious downstream effect.
@@AM1media That can be valid--but then, so what now? What can one genuinely achieve for themselves with that thinking in today's time?
Wasn't it more a case of that slaves contributed to the South's economy. But the heavily industrialised North contributed far more to the U.S. economy overall.
The US economy shifted from agriculture to manufacturing. So it became less and less dependent on the South and its agriculture.
That's why it didn't really matter to the North whether slavery was abolished, since manufacturing used white employees, not slaves.@@samhirst2830
Victimhood is increasing in America, we are so desperate to get love from others that we forget the harsh reality of success and what it takes to get what America has to offer, that's my opinion on this topics Peter
Well said
Do you think the rapid decline in the US share of global income and wealth is accelerating the victimhood trend among young americans?
The dominating religion of America is based on glorifying a victim figure and his role as a victim.
The problems are ingrained in those not performing effectively within the system, not the system itself.
The flaming resentment and condescension off that one lady, god help us. The nerve of her.
Its always somebody else's fault.
Self accountability is becoming something that you can see on people before you even talk to them.
That's how they make it through. That's the scheme they've been pushing since shlomo told them to.
It's ingrained into their culture.
This kind of grievance/victim politics is an absolute dead end. It will never be satisfied whatever happens, the grievance just feeds off itself and goes on forever.
Thanks peter for posting this. That’s me in the video lol. I’ve been reading these comments and a lot of you have opinions that have challenged my way of thinking. Thank you for all of you that have been respectful with your opinions. i was simply being as honest as i could based off my own experience as a black kid from chicago.
P.S(The shortest month comment is a inside joke we make lol)
While I disagree with most of your points, I did agree with a few. Thanks for being honest and open minded.
Thanks for doing the show
Said the Black people vacationing in San Juan, with nice designer brand clothes, jewelry, and accessories, as well as nails, hair, lashes all on point. Where is our family vacation money? Our privliged access to all of these life luxuries??? Are they victims or success stories? Me and my wife home schooled 4 children, saved our money for their education, quality food, modest clothing, and sacrificed our 'best' youngest years simply in each others humbled but loving company to pay off a mortgage while others (of all types) splurged on dining out, new car leases, vacations multiple times a year, and so on. This is not a color argument. My family relatives came here in debt and despair as remaining survivors of the holocaust, but they worked, saved, were humble, and sacrificed.
Everyone in America owes black women gratitude for continuously saving the country/world. I have a poster of black women putting up the American flag at Iwo Jima , another one depicting black women marching through Paris after the liberation of France and my personal favorite showing them storming the beaches of Normandy.
😂😂😂😂😂 you can’t make this up
These should be done in school, then afterwards the actual statistics posted.
As a white woman, their comments got me like 👁️👄👁️ about how ridiculous they were. Saying all white women are “easy” or “submit to their husbands” is completely lumping people together by race and discriminatory. White people -believe it or not - are individuals with various DIFFERENT cultures, religious and personal values. My partner is Indigenous and he chose me because he loves blue eyes and blonde hair. I chose him because Im attracted to brown skin and brown eyes. We are attracted to what we don’t have. That’s the mystery folks 😂❤.
Black women are mostly masculine as fuck.
White women are generally way more feminine and respectful.
They were speaking euphemistically in generalities. But that’s what black men who date white women say; not in front of masculine black women.
It’s not really the case that people are in general attracted “to what they don’t have” as you put it. Interracial marriage is the minority.
Well. . . you're an idiut so. . . birds of a feather flock together.
I had a black woman say that to my face and when I asked her why she thinks that and she said because the men stick around so white woman must be putting up with a lot if shit.
you’re proving her point. white women are easy and submissive. that’s why they choose brown men over white men (like you). because white men have been taught to submit and be passive with women. white culture has been neutered in america.
It's everyone else's fault but never your own.
He did well. But that format requires participants that disagree. So it didnt quite take off like normal.
Notice that they're saying its "impossible" to provide a tax return or paystubs. Also, transactions like that are usually confidential and have no real way of verifying outside of one on one communication between the participants. No one ever tells the person they're interviewing for the mortgage that they're racially profiling someone. They're just stating beliefs based on their own feelings and other people's claims.
I've had so many people come to me when their friend or family member applied for a loan and complain that they're being treated unequally. They always say "We're exactly the same! why can't I do this?!" and when you go in and look at the statistics of it, they've got a high FICO score, a huge down payment, they provided ample documentation, etc.
Obama was literally the president and they still say the system is against them 😂
And they all use the same warped and basic woke talking points. Zzzz
Partially mixed black people (most of USA) don't like more mixed people (Obama)
Obama is as black American as Kamala Harris
The president doesn’t have much power.
@@bobzyurunkelthen why in 08 90% of blacks all said “we need a black president” he’ll change it bla bla bla
One of the women said that white women are "easy". Where I cone from in the UK, that means promiscuous. Yet she talked about black women being very often single mothers with several children. Who are the easy ones?
Let's not call out the obvious with that one, and remember they are the superheros that tell their young sons to fear the cops and white people are bad, make it make sense
Yeah, that one had me HOWLING. 😂
I've heard that a lot of them become pregnant before they even finish high school, so they have to drop out. If that's the case, then it's no wonder that their communities don't make much progress.
Dang. I wish I knew to use my white card. lol. I applied for a police department once and went through the interview. My credit score was in the 500s range and they told me to build that up first. The reason would be that I would be more likely to take bribes or whatever. And they didn't let me get a free pass for being white. I actually had to build up my credit for loans too. I also want to personally thank that lady for building America for free.
I spent 27 years in a textbook-definition cult. Getting out took deprogramming, therapy for PTSD, the whole thing.
And these kids are regurgitating sound bites in the exact same way me and my fellows used to. You can tell from their dress, their speech patterns, and general demeanor that they were born into privilege and are practicaly WALLOWING in it.
Yet, they have embraced a narrative of suffering and persecution that they have obviously NEVER had to live. The racial animus coming from them is like religious zealotry on ROCKET FUEL. It's gonna be real hard to get through to them with any sort of reality. My heart breaks for them.
Thank you Peter ❤ Since finding your channel a few weeks ago. I've watched quite a few interviews you've done and interviews with you and James Lindsey. I've also learned about the grievance studies.
I now understand the mechanism of how this ideology permeated through our society and why so many people have adopted this ideology. Very eye opening and it's given me a new respect and understanding of these street epistemology videos. Thank you
Bless you Peter. You do such a wonderful job of interviewing people without being threatening or disrespectful. I’m trying to learn from your example.
The USA is designed to privilege smart, hard working, self sufficient people....
Eh.... okay, I think I worked out what the problem is.
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I don’t think any of these people have ever cared to look at a stat or law or system before.
I love the last lady who thinks Italians are their own race. You know a way to beat the system? Educate yourself. As for the black guy that said white women are more submissive--that's exactly why I don't want to date black men, they are so into gender roles. His answer to why black men want to date white women more almost came out as them being more... "attractive" but he stopped himself.
The reason February was picked by Carter G. Woodson a black man because the two most famous presidents were born that month Lincoln and Washington. It had nothing to do with the number of days in the month. People assume the negative.
I always thought that was a joke anyway...Black comedians would use that line all the time back in 70's and 80s.
He really complained that Black History month only had 28 days....?
This is one of your best! I love the participants. And I love your questions and deep listening, and reflective mirroring.
"They gave us the month with the shortest days" 😂😂
just for this comment alone this might be the greatest video in the history of videos, even pre-internet.
thanks Peter this has made my night, I had to put my mug of tea down there I was laughing so hard, it shouldn't be understated just how moronic, ridiculous and hilarious this one sentence is.
Everyone knows December is the month with the shortest days. 🙄
Of course that was the complaint😂
At this point let them have their own city and watch it burn down
@@bigzclipz5104they have a few of them lol
Yeah. It's just a matter of perception. A more positive way to look at it would be that they got the month of love because Valentine's Day is in February.
Peter is very smart he knows that he could defuse their argument with facts but he refrains from doing that to keep them from getting upset and combative
It’s so odd that they generalized an entire race yet preach equality
All I can say is that this is really painful to listen to, due mainly to such an ingrained misunderstanding of actual reality. Although there is some “give” or empathy, especially from the guy, there is still the resentment towards the “target” - the tired tropes. The crucial difference is that our current (and approximately half century since) culture - the powerful have sown so much of this split. It’s been a brilliant move, to be honest; they’ve used all of our own good nature against us, and dug their claws into our own will, speech, and freedoms. I’ll end there. Cheers, PB
I agree that this was intentional. I started to think this after the "maga kid" incident and the "Central Park Karen" incident. In both incidents the facts were ignored by the media and what amounted to minor squabbles were turned into national news and were made to fit the narrative. In my opinion the establishment intentionally incited racial divisions and riots for political purposes. (Mainly against Trump and his supporters) It won't be easy to put the genie back in the bag.
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It’s hardening many people’s opinions against them who would have otherwise been likely to agree with them. They are full of hatred and people are starting to take note. I couldn’t imagine a worse strategy to pull people to their side
@@isanynameavailable6I dont know if they care about winning anyone over. This is just a blatant expression of humanity's tendency towards tribalism and to nurse grudges and resentments.I make a point to listen to positive black voices (most of them are conservative) so I don't become jaded or tribal myself.
@@isanynameavailable6 When you say “It’s hardening people…,” what’s the “it” you’re referring to? I want to understand your comment.
Incredible how glaringly obvious what Peter says at 30:20, or what he wrote in the firsr pinned comment, is not taken to heart by many in the comments. One of the tenets of How to Have Impossibe Conversations is to avoid being combative. The goal isn't to challenge or win in a conversation; it is to understand their position, ask them probing questions to allow them to examine their viewpoints and to always remain open to having your own views challenged and possibly even changed if presented with convincing enough evidence or information. Overtly challenging them puts the people in the conversation on the defence and less likely to challenge their own beliefs when they leave the converation. Peter ends at the perfect time when he has planted enough seeds to get them to examine their strongly held positions on their own time and terms.
What I have found extremely interesting is the willingness of Peter to let go of any attachment to an outcome, especially how this quality has evolved over time as his street epistemology method has evolved. Truly an admirable goal to work towards in my own communication skills.
Virtue signal received
The book is excellent. Wish I were better at applying it
I agree to an extent. I think if we all would have the possibility to have a conversation with these people we would be more socratic in our approach. But since we are only passive observers of this event that took place in the past, I think it's fair to criticize some of the statements that have been made by those people in the past (especially the blatant racism and sexism). Additionally, and most unfortunately, Peter's audience is probably aligning very much with his personal views most of the time so it's to be expected that people will say what Peter might have thought but didn't say during his interviews.
This
I bought and read (well, listened) to his book as well, and while I'm not disagreeing with you completely in your assessment? I AM curious as to whether or not you recognize that he didn't "plant enough seeds" in this instance at all (no pushback, critique, leading socratic questions, or "devil's advocacy", in any capacity for these people to critically assess, let alone justify, their positions, or what it would take for their minds to be changed by a small amount). Just a hot mic for "white ppl think black ppl are inherently dangerous", "we built this country for free", and "obviously, cops shoot unarmed black men". He didn't even bother correcting the first lady in here when she kept collectivizing, and calling him white, which I've seen him do on numerous occasions. I'm NOT attributing intent, by any means here, as he very well may have just gotten distracted with all the tangents that kept creeping in? I AM saying that this wasn't his usual video style (at least, of the street epistemology variety).
these are nice people, Peter did a good job at lowering the tension and defensiveness. i hope one day they'll recognize the victim mentality they're holding on to and let go of it
Keep hoping while cities turn into Detroits.
Wow, these people have really been dealt a bad hand, by their parents, by the education system, by each other. Teaching them all the wrong lessons about who they are and how the world works and what needs to be done in order to succeed in the world... and placing the blame on all the wrong places
It's unfortunate that these folks are so uninformed and ignorant to the truth. It's hard to blame them, though, because at this point they've been lied to for their entire lives. The tall dude was almost coming around though, like when he was asked "what resources would help". He answered that "we need to tell black kids that they're not destined to fail"(paraphrased) And he's right. But they're not told that. They're told that cops are actively hunting them, so they're automatically on edge in any encounter, increasing chances of things going south. They're told that white people hate them, increasing animosity and violence. They're told that the "system" is against them, so why even try, right? Just go for the easy money.
It's a narrative that has almost destroyed an entire community.
If I garner the esteem of blacks from whites in immaculately white communities, with very few or no black friends, they speak very highly of them.
When I talk to whites who grew up in black communities, were a white minority in a black school, they tell me a different story.
Spot on.
Kudos to Peter Boghossian that he didn't confront them with his own opinion.
I'm learning so much about myself as a white woman. I had no idea I felt this way. 🙃
Where do you get your information from? It might be a good question to ask.
I looked in the dictionary for 'total lack of self-awareness' and this video came out....
These poor people are still in chains after 400 years. At least they are immortal and can see invisible things.
These folks are in a mental prison. Trapped by a narrative. It’s incredible.
I feel like so many of these people are going through a lot of catharsis. I'm glad they have a chance to speak.
You were told you should play basketball because you were tall lol just like every other tall person, amazing.
But he sees everything through the victimhood lens and that’s the problem
@@brianmeen2158well at least he didn’t say they say it because he was black lol I was expecting that to be honest.
@@PapeySapote6:41 you should listen to that part again.
I'd bet money it was a black person that told him as well. I found it ironic that he had a victim mentality but at the same time complained about the lack of cultural upliftment for Black people.
And "you should be a basketball player (because you're tall)" does not equal "you shouldn't or can't be a doctor, lawyer, etc." The mental gymnastics are insane...
There are so many great points from the heart, but also so much projection. At the end of this discussion, they talk about what could be done, and it almost feels like “my childhood didn’t have these things, so I need society to pick up the deficits and nurture me.”
How are they so unaware of their own racism?
They're too dumb to realize they're too dumb.
I weep for these people. May God bless their souls.
Gay
I dont know if this is ignorance, but they even deminish the work of other black/brown people in my eyes.
If your 400y surpressed and still havent found a way out, the problem us on you.
Great interview so far Peter, love your work every time. Greetings from Belgium
I’m a first generation American, parents were immigrants and now American citizens. I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else in the world, nor my parents. You are responsible for your destiny!
Those people must have a very sad life. They're told and live their lives as victims. They do it to themselves. It's always someone else's fault, so they never have to take responsibility for their own mistakes.
I actually think they are all doing great for themselves. They're well dressed, got bling, some have several tattoos. They are more than well of from what it looks like. But complaining about bad stuff is always easier than acknowledging the privilege you already have.
Even when they are racists they are seen as victims?
This has been one of the best so far.
What a well articulated and intelligent young man
An ignorant person can still articulate greatly
I can't believe Peter Boghossian came to Puerto Rico, and I didn't know. I would have loved to see one of these live. I really enjoy these conversations and have learned a lot from his approach.
im black. i submit to my husband and naturally am more feminine. these women should speak for themselves only.
It's Sad the stranglehold on your people's minds the Democrat party has. They have it on 50% of my people also.
@@williambarry8015 Please share more.
If the system was so racist how did he become a radiologist? If he's right it's not doing a good job at being racist lol. But if they want better outcomes start at the family, then start policing crime heavily so it's safe to do business, from there everyone's lives will improve, except the criminals.
Up until 1965, the United States was 90% white. So, in a way you _can_ say that the USA was "designed" to privilege white people, but that is because culturally and institutionally, the USA was built _by_ white people. That white culture is why so many people from around the world want to immigrate here, too, which is something _no one_ wants to talk about. If the entire country was like Detroit, _no one_ would want to come here. We're gonna find out how this works real soon, too, because the under 15 children cohort is white minority.
FACTS
Peter, thank you for these conversations.
The system lowers entrance requirements for black to universities. What are you talking about. They want more black people so they can look more diverse.
Exactly, and thereby excludes poor white boys and Asians.
They are still talking like its 1950 or something. It's just pure ignorance.
The point of these street epistemology games is to get people to think about the confidence in their beliefs. You may not agree with what was said in this video, but these were candid opinions from real people.
In a world that is mostly fake now, it’s a good thing that people are willing to openly share their opinion.
It's just too bad there wasn't anyone there to counter balance their opinions with actual facts and reason.
*Everything is someone else's fault!* This is a recipe for failure!
I was today years old when i learned that THUG LIFE was an acronym lol 😨
i think this was a great conversation, i dont agree with some of their points especilly when it came to the instutional racism, but they were honest, and thats all you can ask for in a conversation
some?
I still haven't figured out a good definition of "institutional racism." It seems like a moving target.
@@arnoldcantu9583 I think WEB Dubois expressed it well in the final chapter of: english.hku.hk/staff/kjohnson/PDF/ENGL9K_KJ_PhilaNegro.pdf
@@arnoldcantu9583 Since many of them struggle to apply themselves just as everyone else is required, making the system racist excuses responsibility and promotes equity.
I would be interested in what points you agreed with because for me there wasn't much in there that was morally acceptable. True, they were very honest. But damn, the racism and misogyny they just unabashedly blurt out. "White women are more submissive to the word of the black man". Isn't that the same kind of stereotype some white men have about Asian women? Absolutely disgusting. Also that they'd rather choose a black man as a partner over a white man solely based on skin color. They didn't even ask about personality traits. I don't know but that doesn't sound like they want to live in a society where everybody's equal in value. They sure as hell don't act like it (except maybe the dude who seems to try really hard to be diplomatic).
I appreciate you trying to end it on a high/positive note Peter. But it ended up finishing a little awkward 😕
I think my audio is messed up…. These people just sound like they’re farting whenever they open their mouths. Anyone else having the same problem?
Black History Month was recognized in 1976 by Gerald Ford and that is the only involvement outside of the black community. Black History Week was started by Carter G. Woodward in February to coincide with the birth date of Frederick Douglas. It later expanded into the entire month of February within the black community.
Saying "they gave us the shortest month" suggests to me something that is all too common. People start with a premise they thing is true (e.g. systemic oppression) and then they assume a bunch of other things must also be true. If systemic oppression is true, and it's true that February is the shortest month, then it must be because of systemic oppression that Black History Month is in February.
It's hilarious that they give those racist white people credit for "giving" Black History Month to them, when it was actually a black person who conceived of the idea.
At 14.00 or so, the guy tells us that black kids are taught, _taught_ to not trust police, that the are set up to fail. Who is teaching them that? It's got to be at home. Where else would they be taught that? With that mindset in place from a young age, its no wonder things go the way they do in some situations. They are learning this stuff with no recourse, its something that is implanted in to them from a young age and seems to be something that is taught across the board. That is whats setting them up to fail.
Some extra education, some showing of other perspectives could really go a long way but at the young ages where this is important, the opportunity is being missed. The chance to show them otherwise is sailing on by and no-one is doing anything to correct it.
Very interesting discussion ... and I learnt some new words to enlarge my vocabulary.
I learned “receplication”, but I’m not sure how to use it.
I find these discussions frustrating to even listen to. These people are 100% dead set in arguing from a position of absolute ignorance.
"parentness" at 22:05 is a word I've never heard before. The grandiose delusions have no boundaries with them.
Please elaborate.
@@AnAn___ 22:10 they've saved nothing
Aks was a new one on me
@@ossoduro7794she was referring to single parenthood and emotion. The way she pronounced it was different.
She said that because of black woman are a lot to handle black men prefer to go on the easier side (data and marry caucasian/latino/asian females). Isn't there a lot of evidence to suggest this is true?
African Americans contributed a lot to the US economy in the 1890s and 1900s. The rising gaps between ADOS and non ADOS since 1970 does not negate the large contributions made by ADOS to the US economy before 1970.
A larger percentage of US doctors were ADOS in 1940 than in 2018.
@@AnAn___ Yes, she used a nonexistent word and has a creative account of what they've achieved for this Nation, which doesn't amount to all that much.
You're just as delusional as she.
The normal definition of systemic racism is that there is a disparate impact on different racial groups.
I just want to know why the majority white nation instituted systemic racism to have Jews and Asians out perform all other groups.
Logic and reason have no place in an emotionally based conversation to comprehend your comment!
Woman wearing Chanel earnings on a day out at the beach: We are treated like shit
These people are all creating everything they complain about for themselves. Just awful.