It doesn't matter if they can understand or not at that age. First you must at LEAST mildly substantiate your philosophical underpinning or justification for claiming there is even anything for the child to be incorrect or correct about. You must first show it's even remotely possible before you can ask if the child is ok to decide it lol. After that, if it's shown to be an accurate description of the child then it's still no ... They're children they can't legally consent. And that's backed up by almost universal morals as far as the innocence and naivety of children is concerned. It's an indefensible position to suggest the most extreme transformation or interference in natural development can be consented to by a child. An adult is free to change their physical appearance but if truth is the objective of the discussion then they are still incorrect in their assessment of the truth. You can't just claim reproductive biology is wrong and demand I re-categories without showing your position is at the very least not propeller hat lunacy. And claiming mammalian reproductive biology is not a binary is utter lunacy.... And needs to be refuted before any discussion about the so called nuances of the topic... And absolutely has to be shown BEFORE consent for children can even be entertained... Wow.
It's actually hard watching every single person struggle to dance around the very obvious answer they know but don't want to say.... For 2 reasons... 1: the obvious fear .. And the often forgotten but very important point... 2: lying, pretending to not get it to avoid exposing their errors. Not admitting recognised contradiction or error on purpose with a smirk and deflecting... Is lying.
*I'm not a doctor so I don't know...* Funny how that's the answer to any point against their position... But it's not when they assert something. Yeah, that's why it's dishonest.
8:06 Children should always have their gender identity affirmed? Uh... no. In which age do children exist? One problem is that even people who are adults now days can be very immature, overly emotional, intellectually & physically stunted and inexperienced (for a number of reasons). Even physically, our population is suffering from major problems with developing proper hormone levels and physical health.
8:19 If they are already in public or on camera, they are already likely too self-conscious to be totally honest. This can come in the form of self-censorship or general fear of letting others know your true feelings or beliefs. This is why journalists sometimes protect peoples' identity so there's no backlash.
sex: the state of being either male or female in most species of metazoans. In humans, each cell nucleus contains 23 pairs of chromosomes, a total of 46 chromosomes. The first 22 pairs are called autosomes. Autosomes are homologous chromosomes, that is, chromosomes that contain the same genes (regions of DNA) in the same order along their chromosomal arms. The 23rd pair of chromosomes are called allosomes (sex chromosomes). These consist of two X chromosomes in most all females, and an X chromosome and a Y chromosome in most all males. Females, therefore, have 23 homologous chromosome pairs, while males have 22. The X and Y chromosomes have small regions of homology called pseudoautosomal regions. The X chromosome is always present as the 23rd chromosome in the ovum, while either an X or Y chromosome may be present in an individual spermatozoon cell gamete. An extremely minute percentage of humans are either (anatomical) hermaphrodites or of indeterminate sex (or to be more accurate, disordered sex). That does not negate the incontrovertible FACT that there are but two sexes/genders. In order for reproduction to take place, there is the requirement of a female ovum and a male sperm to unite, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division of most species of animals is to enable procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the individual in question. There is no third gamete. Cf. “gender”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”). If the reader is curious to know the reason for this term being included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because, in recent times, LEFTISTS have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the words “sex” and “gender”, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, immoral ideologies, especially by promoting the nonsensical idea that a person is able to transition from one gender to the other. gender: the state of being either male or female, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete. An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders. As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender. In those rare cases in which a human is born without gonads, the other characteristics of sex/gender would be taken into consideration - firstly, the allosomes (sex chromosomes) found in the DNA of every cell, and then, any extant genitalia, since even those females who have experienced the misfortune of being born without ovaries, for instance, usually have their remaining sex organs intact). Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”). So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”. The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. If the reader is curious to know why this term is included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because leftists have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the word in recent times, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, sinful, objectively-immoral ideologies. Until relatively recently, the word “gender” has ALWAYS been used in the etymologically-accurate sense of the term, and even in the former case, predominantly where leftist ideologues comprise a significant proportion of the population. See also “leftism”. If you are truly wise and intelligent, you would surely have recognized several amazing secrets contained within the body of this treatise, “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”. However, perhaps the most secretive secret, shall forthwith be revealed: It is IMPOSSIBLE for a human being to change his or her sex/gender! (You are implored to keep this secret - do not tell a soul!!!) For example, a man who castrates himself and wears a skirt or a dress is simply a mutilated, transvestinal male - not a woman or a female. Similarly, a woman who attaches an appendage resembling a phallus to her crotch and dons a pair of pantaloons, is merely a transvestinal woman with a fake penis between her thighs, and not a man, nor a male, in any accurate sense of the terms. Actually, I would contend that any “man” who excises his reproductive organs was ALWAYS a dickless “man”, metaphorically speaking. 🤪
@@gloriaf6971, respected British anthropology professor, Dr. Edward Dutton, has demonstrated that “LEFTISM” is due to genetic mutations caused by poor breeding strategies. 🤡 To put it simply, in recent decades, those persons who exhibit leftist traits such as egalitarianism, feminism, gynocentrism, socialism, multiculturalism, transvestism, homosexuality, perverse morality, and laziness, have been reproducing at rates far exceeding the previous norm, leading to an explosion of insane, narcissistic SOCIOPATHS in (mostly) Western societies.
A 5 year old? Really? How many children know what sex even is at 5? This is insane. You did a great job at exposing the absurdity of this issue, Peter. Also, it was another good discussion without any abuse, which is great to see. It seems the younger generation are too hot-headed for these types of discussions.
I have a son around that age. He doesn't know what sex is. He doesn't know what gender is. He doesn't know what puberty is. He just wants new batteries for his Hot Wheels track and a milkshake.
@@headkickedI’ve tried to explain to someone that children don’t need to be educated on sexual orientation and gender, because they’re not sexually active or thinking about it, and they’ll still grow up to be decent adults who aren’t bigoted (I’m one of them), and they tried so hard to justify why kids need to know about sexuality. It felt surreal.
"Sex is socially constructed, but race is backed by science" Holy hell, these people have twisted themselves so far around the horseshoe. You can almost literally see the gears in their heads creaking as they struggle to find rhetorical support for these issues they have such strong opinions on but have never thought through for more than a minute. I don't mind at all that some people have no interest in philosophical debate, but the way the kinds of people shown in this video proudly and smugly show off their ignorance is maddening.
and someone can be 1/2 black but are treated as 100% black in America, and brown in Africa (e.g. Obama). or they can be 1/4 black, but raised by black family and identify more with that culture. Ascpects of racial self identification are arguably more social than gender, Irish people and Italians weren't viewed as whites for a long time.
This entire ideological period is a huge test of patience by anyone who has followed through on just a few implications of the logic. It just makes me think that this is how propaganda works, that people absorb slogans through repeated exposure to them, and then when asked about the reasoning, they start to scratch their head…
@@kissmy_butt1302 the book by Jonathan Rauch called The constitution of Knowledge is the closest thing I’ve read to being a complete goal for what’s needed to fend of these ideological attacks, lest they turn sinister and ultimately totalitarian
My daughter(4) was mothering her stuffed rainbow monkey before we bought a baby doll for her. My son(2) who has access to these same toys does not care about them with nearly the enthusiasm. my daughter's favorite use of my son's dump truck is as a bed for her various children (baby doll, monkey, Mickey mouse) It's been amazing to me how naturally they are attracted to these stereotypes
THANK You for this stunningly normal and intelligent comment ! I cannot understand the absolute abserdity of this modern progressive brain dead society 😢.
The idea that children can consent to puberty blockers is directly linked to the idea that children can consent to sex. You have to stick them on this.
@@Fraggle-h7o I think it’s related to the possibility of losing the ability to orgasm with puberty blockers. So if a child can consent to that, the correlation to consenting to sex is possible.
We are truly living in an era of cowardice. The fact that we are allowing a small minority of people dictate what biological reality is says a lot about human nature and how pathetic we have become. They are so afraid to speak truth at the risk of offending.
nobody in this video said that sex was a social construct no? they were definitely a little afraid to say that it wasn't lmao but when did any of these people deny biological reality?
@@twot2224 Sex, the word, requires definition. Biological sex, at birth is determined by genitalia (with tiny exceptions-very rare). Sexual attraction/preference is determined by both natural orientation and socialization, in varying degrees, by individuals.
@@twot2224almost all of em used the terms ”female/male” the entire time. You’re either death or stupid. They also claimed that sex is assigned at birth meaning it’s not a biological fact determined at conception
I have five kids. They can barely make a life altering decision at 17. Boys and girls are very different. Again, as a father of five girls, all of them are much different from one another, but they're drastically different from me or any of my male friends ever were. I tried to raise them to like boys toys and stuff, but they always gravitated towards the girls toys. They've done studies on this as well.
It’s so funny that people think that “girly” things are sold to girls as some kind of socialist top down. If the kids didn’t buy the stuff companies wouldn’t spend resources making it. It’s the kids demanding certain type of toys.
They can barely make a life altering decision at 17. Bingo! Have we all forgotten this?? And now so many parents (not all Thank God) give strong consideration towards allowing children to make life altering decisions when there is a 95% chance that they are just confused due to this prevailing elitist conversation then should not exist to begin with. When they can vote or drink, then let them make a life altering decision. Tough sht if gay children have 'growing pains' - just like hetero children do====>>
my sister had four boys, i had two boys and then a girl, she was the seventh child behind six boys. they all played together from birth. i don't think she even knew another girl closely until kindergarten. even so, she still preferred some girly things, not all but some, that the boys did not. girls and boys ARE different and it should not be a crime to say so. these kids were all raised the same but the differences are discernable.
I could tell immediately, literally the instant the video started that this would A) be a group of vacationing Americans from a gay cruise, and B) that I, an actual homosexual, would share next to none of any of their libbed out, corporate, HRC Democrat approved, opinions on anything discussed. I truly feel completely separate from all these people that the media continually tries to tell me I share a so called "community" with. No. I don't, and I won't.
LOL. The first thing I thought when I heard the sunglass guy speak was that he came from a gay cruise and none of these people are Puerto Ricans. These are white tourists who think they 'need a vacation' to 'escape the stress/fascism of their lives'. I had a gay white roommate who would do exactly this. He barely ever got any work done. He's a liberal, hates Trump, And think drags queens are under attack. But he was a nice guy I guess😂.
This is very refreshing to hear as my gay friends/co-workers from years past were not this flung out with all of this crazy-talk now. Good reminder that we are all individuals first and foremost...Tribalism already carries too much weight, we need to whittle away at all of that.
Toy preferences are seen prior to cultural influence, including in primates - it's fascinating how difficult it is for people to accept this, as if it is an admission that we are different and therefore unequal.
These people have lost sight of the fact that if you strip away everything humans have made we're just another species of mammal. And there are behavioral differences between males and females in virtually all species, why are we any different? They also seem to not realize that these "social constructs" came about over a very long time and were also driven by biology and thousands of years of evolution. It's not like humans at some point had a meeting and set up a "boys" and "girls" columns and constructed all of the things they should like. Of course there is some societal influence but to act like it's ONLY that is ridiculous. Everyone thinks they're being logical but we're still driven by our animalistic side much more than we realize. The way humans lived didnt change all that much for thousands of years and then changed drastically the last few thousand and even more so the last 100. All of that programming from before is still in us, and our way of life has changed way too fast to evolve into being able to live like this without major issues. Sometimes I wonder if we've just learned too much about the way the world works and we'd be better off just being ignorant of so many things like the rest of the animals on this planet.
You hit the nail on the head "we are different and therefore unequal" They can't accept this fact. They have been programmed all their lives that men and women are completely interchangeable. Which is not the case.
Yes! Exactly! These people are parroting the politically correct buzzwords they've heard over and over again but really they have no idea. I doubt they've ever even questioned it or formed any independent, reasoned argument.
@@robertwilson2007 I seriously don't understand how anyone can live in reality and think that!! But apparently a significant percentage of people do..
It really is. I dont want to judge a fellow parent because we arent all perfect, hell I sure am not. But this... i just cant help but say WTF IS WRONG WITH THESE PPL 🤬
They clearly haven't even thought through their own positions on these subjects. They just parrot the woke slogans. It's infuriating to listen to. They can barely string together coherent sentences. Really depressing how far we've fallen as a society. I think logical argumentation needs to be a required course for graduating high school bc these people don't know how to think
@@mary-janegreen1513 as a parent I feel totally comfortable judging someone who is willing to give up their children’s safety to ideological capture What they’re saying is an abomination. It’s madness. They wouldn’t let their child choose to have a tattoo, to have sex with and adult, to drive a car… yet they would allow their child to have surgery to chop off their sex organs just encode that child has been duped by radical left propaganda and indoctrination They don’t deserve the title of parent
@@razzle_dazzle that's because they have a mental disorder, like anyone with any mental disorder they need help, to deal with reality. Many ppl "wish" things happened differently when they were kid's, this spot light on a tiny percent vs the majority of ppls mental illness not being affirmed is fascinating, don't you think.
Thats the thing kids can't possibly understand ANY of this crap that's what's so maddening..but when the adults in the room act like children this is what you get
@@razzle_dazzle “and yet” there are adults who regret having their genitalia chopped off by degenerate and abusing eve medical practitioners after being indoctrinated by predatory idiot leftist grifters and degenerates… hmmm… Maybe just stay away from the kids??
It's amazing to me how careful everyone is with their non-answers. It sounds like everyone feels strongly about stuff they have no idea about. Society is really feeding everyone crap
These are great leading questions. It really places people in a position to confront their conflicting beliefs. I think this is a great way to frame these issues without providing anyone with information but highlighting their intellectual inconsistencies.
@@dimercamparini I'd put the figure lower - there are a decent amount of stereotypes that are made up about strangers - but you're definitely right about a good number. The main problem with more accurate stereotypes is stupid people who don't realise they're generalisations and not 100% right 100% of the time.
@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 sure...I was just pulling a number out of my "derriere"...you can chose another...but the general concept still stands...contrary to woke popular belief that is all fake and made-up, most stereotypes are rooted in reality. :DD And you are right also about the other thing...is like when one sais "men are stronger than women" and another tries to debunk that saying "well...that is not true...some women can beat some men..." SURE...one is not saying that ALL men can beat ALL women...but in GENERAL and on AVERAGE that is a factual statement and is absolutely not debunkable. (and you are disingenuous to try to use that counter-argument to try to do that)
There is something really eerie and a bit hopeless about actually confronting someone you know personally who says, out loud, that they would “happily support [their] daughter getting sex change surgeries at any age because all [they] care about is her existing for as long as possible.” Totally internalised the “dilemma” of affirming fake gender or assuming suicide.
Yeah the whole "do this or I'll kill myself" is just emotional blackmail/extortion. And why is it that there weren't massive amounts of suicide 20 or 30 years ago from all the kids with gender dysphoria? And those were kids that had it 10x harder than they do now because of the societal norms at the time.
My coworker owns a company with a woman who has a trans child. She wonders if she is a good parent every day after transitioning her daughter into a son. She said she wanted to do what was right and at the time she thought that was transitioning her to a him. They both have to live with what doctors have done to her daughter’s body. It’s so sad. Removal of breasts, etc.
What I find unbelievable is the fact that none of them could give a reasonable answer to the question. It's not exactly rocket science. But a couple of them didn't seem too clear on what sex is, so I'm probably expecting too much.
Same! I had just sat down on the couch next to my daughter, listening on my AirPods- & I got so frustrated I WAS facepalming .. & I blurted out some things about my frustration forgetting my daughter was right here & to her I’m just talking to myself😂 “What’s the matter mom, who’s ridiculous..?” … oh nothing baby- just people.. I’m sorry Lol Like we don’t know that there are some traits that are simply inherent .. it’s nature., little girls drawn to dolls is because they naturally tend to be more nurturing! They also often wanna mimic mom- which is also a natural thing . One of my daughter was obsessed with all things baby doll since she was old enough to engage in play! From a baby, it’s what she was drawn to-& our home had every type of toy imaginable! By the time she was 5 she had everything a baby would need- a toy stroller, a crib, a diaper bag, etc- and when she was 9 she started collected reborn dolls. She’s 13 now so she’s not into dolls, but that nurturing side is still very much a part of her- she still wants stuffed animals, she still wants to nurture her siblings, & she loves helping out with her baby cousins. It’s just who she is. My son use to take random toys & pretend it was a lawnmower & go out in the yard following dad when he was 3… not because someone forced a lawnmower on him - but because he naturally wanted to be like his daddy, and because he liked things with wheels that made noise. There’s reasons beyond what society imposes that kids are drawn to certain things- reasons like BIOLOGY. And where do they think certain societal norms came from in the first place; they were born from how humans naturally were. People are so concerned with being enlightened that they massively overcorrect & do just as much- if not more- harm than the people who did actually force certain gendered things on their kids. I don’t know why it’s so difficult to simply leave a kid be.
They didn't answer PB when he asked how these equalities would arise, given how men and women choose occupations? He used umpires and Steelworkers, but cement workers, brick layers, and most plumbers are also men. I don't think women could be offered these jobs and want them. I don't have the physical strength or energy, even when I was younger, to match a man's. This seems like a male dominated conversation, not because the moderator happens to be male, but because the men seem disconnected from the interest of our species. They like gender identity because it's self-absorbed, it suits the me-philosophers and it justifies their otherness. I found it interesting one guy says it's not like age because age is linear. Well, actually, our biological sex is also a linear trajectory. It only wouldn't be because they're trying to claim it's a psychological condition we can change physically. A few detransed people might divest them of this thought process.
@@jadehidalgo3437I'm really trying to handle this with some tact, but if you shared this view/opinion with anyone who disagreed with you they'd tear you to shreds in seconds. A boy wanting to be like Daddy so he models what he sees him using/playing with and vice versa for girls and mothers is as much of a social influence and not biological at all as you can get. You were actually so damn close to getting it right until you brought up that your daughter models you and your boy models your husband. That IS them modeling a social construct. That is not biology at all.
@@bbbbbbb51funny, you're the one who's got it wrong. Daddy's actions, then, would also have to have been socially constructed, as would have his father's, and his father's before him, and so on. But they weren't!! They were biologically constructed. No one, at any point in the chain, decided that men would do the labor, and women would do the raising/nurturing. It was a logical outcome of the biological differences between men and women that led to the very "social cobstructs" we see today. Obviously, with the rise of technology and the little need for any REAL labor by the majority, biological roles are becoming less important, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Try again.
It's hilarious watching their faces baulk at the questions, twisting into a "he's trying to trap me and destroy my ideology" grimace. No people, he's trying to make you think. They take their reasoning to insane levels to try and justify things, would be funny if it wasn't so depressing.
I never seen a group of people walk the line so hard to avoid telling how they really feel. You can hear the fear of cancellation in their voices. This was awkward as hell.
To me, it doesn't make sense to think that children are sophisticated enough to make choices around something as significant as sex trasition without also thinking they're sophisticated enough to vote, drink and get married.
Kids shouldn’t even be choosing what Food to eat or what to wear.. let alone giving them a choice of being the opposite gender.. OF COURSE some kids are jumping on this when the adults in their life are clapping and celebrating their TRANS KID and giving the kid so MUCH power .. in choosing what sex they want to be.. and what to wear and pretending to be the opposite gender.. ITS INSANE! I’m not a conspiracy person at all but I see a push to accept pedophiles now.. or ‘Child love’.. and although I don’t believe conspiracy Theories Talking to Kids about sex and choosing THEIR sex and TAKING TO RAUNCHY SEXUALLY EXPLICIT PRIDE PARADES CERTAINLY LOOKS LIKE SEXUALISING KIDS..
It's sad that conversations/discussions like this are not meant to exchange ideas, but to try to get people snap back to reality. Self identification doesn't mean anything. You can identify as whatever you want, but that doesn't change how others identify you.
The game is indeed an exchange of ideas. I saw no one trying to get anyone to snap back to anything. They hang themselves. No one needs to snap them back. That's the entire point. When you talk things out common sense of supposed to win. And even when it doesn't, the frauds are exposed. And I have no idea what you mean with your last sentence. It's incomprehensible.
I have a 9 year old boy. Thankfully we took him out of public schools after kindergarten and now hes being homeschooled. Im extremely happy we made this decision early on. I refuse to allow this wicked system to indoctrinate and confuse his young, impressionable mind.
Agreed, I'd mandate IV drip puberty blockers and covid vaccines from 3 days after birth onwards. Then raise them opposing the sex they were "identified" as during the birth observation
That's kind of tricky. What is the definition of "raised." I think generally it should be the same, but certain things are based on sex. I'm not going to spend a lot of effort teaching my boy about menstruation. For my daughter it was a very significant part of her care.
@@pokegogeezer7676 Sexual market value and dating selection are vastly different between men and women due to reproduction. These impact many decisions, so yes, men and women should be raised differently or they will have less ability to perform respective duties.
@@kheriseThat's where this thought process goes too far. It doesn't intrinsically have to mean different energy and mindset. A lot of that is likely social. Humans have very absurd roles that go well beyond nature.
I litterally feel physical pain in listening to these ppl...the cognitive dissonance between what their instincts and brain tell them, and what they think they can actually say out loud in this woke society is staggering... Why do you have to go around in your life SELF-CENSORING yourself like that?
Some of these people are trying hard to stay on their team regardless of what is being told. Mr. Boghossian's questions made them actively contradict themselves. Generally, let adults do what they want, but kids and preteens who haven't hit puberty should not be toyed with. Let them grow and be extra careful.
I’m from PR and some of these people responses blow my mind. I’m pretty sure these are Americans that went to PR. We are pretty conservative as a people.
That guy with the blue cap and white shirt was so afraid to say what he was actually thinking. Looking at everybody else, hesitating, rephrasing and even openly admitting that if he was to say the truth it would not be taken lightly.
The social conditioning for toys argument is nonsense at this point. You can build such a strong nomological network to disprove the social conditioning argument. Gilrs like dolls, boys like trucks. Period. Just a truth of the world. Chimpanzees show the same toy preferences. Ancient artwork show modern toy preferences. Children who are raised without socially enforced roles show the same toy preferences. Children in societies with different levels of social conditioning (Sweden vs. Iran) show the same toy preferences. Children with hormonal abnormalities, for example girls with too much testosterone so they are biologically similar to boys, show the same toy preferences as boys.
Would enjoy reading this study yet, to ignore the fact that Irán is an Islamic theocracy and so called gender roles can be brutally enforced if one steps out of their Qu'ranic designated roles would be willingly or unwittingly ignoring a significant element of the social equation.
@@edgarpayne8673 Iran being a fundamental Islamic theocracy is the point of the comparison. There, a boy playing with dolls wouldn't be tolerated. In Sweden it would be. Yet children in both countries show the same toy preferences.
It's evolutionary biology. Obviously we have an innate biological need to play with dolls and be nurturing as young girls because we are made to propagate the species.
I was raised with a selection of toys and activities. I liked rough riding my bike, climbing trees, doing DIY and the science sets my parents bought, as well as imaginary play and dolls, art, dance, music, history, politics. I am a woman. I never felt restricted at home about what I showed interest in whether that was ballet or football, science or art. However, I'm of the age when schooling still had bias in subjects taught to boys and girls being split e g woodwork v home economics and therefore I was still influenced by those societal impacts. Broadly, give your kids a whole range of toys and activities that develop different skills and interests and as they grow their own preferences and aptitides will emerge and can be encouraged whatever they are. The point is for each individual to reach their potential for what they enjoy and have aptitude for, cope well with the things they dont enjoy but life still requires, and not be barred from those things because of their sex either way.
How can these people not know that little girls want to be like their mum? It's just so obvious if you watch children. It's their natural instinct to copy their mother so they can learn how to raise a family of their own. Dolls play to that instinct perfectly, and I am sure that if you took away dolls from little girls, they would just use other things as de-facto dolls.
The fact that how nevous these people get when asked these questions and how they are more worried about how they will be judged by others (cultists) if they answer the questions in some particular way (the truth), IS everything that is wrong with society.
By far the most shocking thing in this video is that they don't even seem to be able to think of any other reasons than society, to explain why people/kids are acting the way they do. So ironically a group of really really closeminded people. But I bet they think of themselves as really open minded.
Hello! I had a boy and a girl. They chose what they liked to play with. I never played with dolls however my daughter played hrs with dolls. One time she wrapped a serviette around a fork and pretended it was a doll. My son would sit and watch equipment working on the block. He then drew detailed diagrams of equipment. Nobody told them what to like, they chose for themselves what they liked to do. These people have no knowledge or experience as parents. God made men and women different with different roles, adults are the ones interfering with children and confusing them.
It's really amazing how pervasive gender ideology has become, to the extent that this group of people have a really hard time talking about it earnestly.
It’s physically difficult at this point for me to make it through these things- I actually have a visceral reaction😣 5min in and I’m frustrated.. it’s NOT just a matter of society & imposing things on children- ITS INHERENT! Society got its norms FROM NATURE.. It’s nature. It’s biology. From the moment I knew I was going to be a mom 16 years ago I knew I wasn’t gonna enforce certain gendered norms onto my children.. I’ve always raised them with the space to just be, while supporting & encouraging who they are. Never did the “that’s a boy toy, or no you can’t play with that doll it’s for girls” I just got them toys. But when my 1st child was hardly even a year old, with no societal influences imposed on him, & he’d have an abundance of toys infront of him of all different kinds- he almost always faithfully went for the trucks! There cojld be a giant new gadget there & he’d pick the small thing with wheel’s because he loved trucks! My 2nd, same thing with dolls- from the time she was crawling around she loved it. Any time we went to a store shed beg for anything relating to baby dolls.. not because it was pushed on her, or because everyone gave her that- it’s because it’s what she liked. & girls are usually drawn to those types of toys because most girls are nurturing BY NATURE!!! It’s inherent!! Now my 3rd & 4th- they were very much an equal mixture in terms of what they liked & their personality traits. I had my wild child daughter Who wanted to play in the mud & thought she was Spider-Man jumping on furniture, but she also wanted to be a princess- & I had my senstive boy who would sit with his big sister with their Cinderella heals on while he had an action figure in his hand. The point in- there are aspects of us that are by nature! That have nothing to do with society. And what these people are doing now is an overcorrection, big time!!! They aren’t allowing the kids to be themselves, they’re pushing them to pick up more of the opposite gender traits & forcing their ideological beliefs on them. There’s nothing wrong with giving a girl pink things just as much as there’s nothing wrong if she doesn’t like pink. And btw, shocker I know- but my daughter who loved playing in the dirt & getting rough with the boys- who would throw a tantrum if I put bows in her hair- is now a typical teenager girl who’s discovering new sides to herself- who spent almost the entire day yesterday trying out different hair styles , curling it, flat ironing it, fixing it different ways- as she’s getting more comfortable with herself & the changes, she’s gaining confidence & is embracing this new stage. & she’ll be the first to tell you- girls can like pink, get girly, wear dresses, etc and still hang with the boys and be just as tough! JUST LEAVE THEM BE!! I also want to say there are some extents to which you do have differences in how they are raised. Not only because their biology IS different- but also because their experiences in this life are & will be different.. & you can say “well it shouldn’t be, well in utopia it wouldn’t be” - but here in reality, IT IS. There are different things I teach my daughters, different behaviors I don’t allow or condone, things I’m maybe a little more cautious with them than with their brothers. Because that’s just reality. The conversations I have with my teen daughter about internet safety & rules for example aren’t exactly the same as it is with her older brother, .. my husband & I are a little different with the girls than with the boys- just because you wish the world was different doesn’t mean it is. Maybe you think a young lady should be able to act the same way as a man , & be still be treated the same- or seen with the same level of respect, etc .. but that doesn’t mean the world is gonna suddenly be the way you think it should- & I’m raising them in reality. My 15 yr old son can go walk around the corner to his friends house , my 13 year old daughter can not! My son can walk over to a group of young boys at a park or something, my daughter can not! She’s not allowed. & call it sexist, call it unfair, whatever - That’s just the way it is.
Exactly and it’s a fact that female learn differently than male, see color differently, hear sounds differently, interact differently with other people. Everything about females and males are biologically different. What I think is funny is probably about 10 years ago all of those people always thought there is only 2 genders but the minority convinced them to deny science and look and sound stupid right along with them
The fact is is that it is these people who are the ones enforcing the very gender stereotypes they claim are so wrong/harmful: what? You like playing with dolls? You must be a girl in a boys body!!! These people are either insane, poorly educated, retarded, or all three.
No, Mold your kids into good strong adults.... dont let them think for themselves. They wont find that path, its tough to navigate with fiery emotions.
I think that girls tend to enjoy dolls due to their inherent maternal instincts. Look into advertisement & subliminal imaging. It really helps to open up the psyche of the sexes in terms of how archetypal images can affect/sway someone without their knowledge. Just my 2 cents. Edit: wow. Just wow. I can’t believe that these are adults thinking along these absurd lines. Keep it coming, great content.
Have you ever seen that scene from Monty Python when the knight is trying to teach the people about whether or not the woman is a witch? And it pans over to John Cleese's face dumbfounded as he tries to think through an illogical problem? ...That's what their expressions reminded me of 🤣🤣😂😂
You do a great job of keeping your own position out of your interactions in these interviews. You tease out the answers allowing people to speak freely.
I love the way you never give your own opinion and just leave people to freely express themselves and talk. They do make me worry for our society though. Some of these answers are so painful to watch!
These people have completely swallowed the bs whole. I heard all the usual buzzwords and talking points, and it was all ridiculous. People spend way too much time trying to split sex and gender. It's really silly. People have sex and words have gender. Basically, what they call gender is just personality. Hardly anything they said made any sense. And I find it hard to believe they have spent much time around children.
Do you think there are behavioral, psychological, and cultural traits typically associated with each sex? If so, what would be the best word to refer to those?
@@bbbbbbb51 That doesn't narrow it down enough. They specifically have to be sex-based. If there already is a word that people generally understand to refer to those traits, why not use it?
@@bbbbbbb51 No, I'm pointing out that your definition didn't even mention that we're talking about sex-based norms. And the whole point of the video was to discuss how many of the norms expected of each sex are biological and how many are cultural (which you seem to realize because you said _"cultural and_ biological norms"). So again: instead of such a long phrase, why not use the word we already have?
Playing with Lego with my kids. I'd set them a challenge to make specific objects. Fascinating to watch the difference between the spaceship they each made. Son's spaceship had lasers, etc. Daughter's was all about nice pastels and nice interior with flowers, etc. As a parent you see countless examples of innate differences.
I don’t buy into the “gender stereotype” stuff. If my kids like something then it’s for them. That’s how I was raised. My parents let me be who I was and never encouraged me to try to be something I could never be. I learned valuable lessons and skills from both of my parents.
The whole gender stereotype type thing is bizarre to me too. Was encouraged to “be myself” and raised 3 kids to do the same. Questioning my body foundationally just wasn’t a thing - it’s what I arrived to and what I will leave from. No amount of superficially changing that changes me.
@@jamesbizs I don't think you can force someone to like something they don't like. People are social creatures, though, so we can't discount the influence of family and friends on children's choices. If everyone in her friend group is playing with dolls (or trucks), a girl is likely to start doing the same, even if she doesn't particularly like dolls (or trucks). There's no intention to force the girl into a gender stereotype, it's just the way people tend to behave.
Society needs ppl who do the right thing for society not just what feels the best for themselves. Nobody "wants" to go sit in a wet trench getting shelled by ruzzians, it's not very fun actually. If Ukrainian kids were raised like you raise your kids, the country would be done for the same day the attack started. "Freedom" from these suppressive expecations, sounds great, but if everyone does what they "feel like" with no expectations to sacrifise, society collapse. You need to tell ppl, we expect you to step up and fight for your country, and we will reward you socially if you do and shame you if you don't. Is it fair/nice, no, but it is how it has to be. These progressive ideas are leading to the downfall of the West. Me me me.
I love how when asked a question they all look around at each other to see who can be wrong the first which is then followed by stutter and mumbling gibberish.
I'm of the opinion is you raise your children by making sure they are aware they are the sex and gender they are born with, but allow them to do things that aren't stereotypical to that gender. If your boy wants to play with a doll when he's 4 or a girl wants to do some boy things, that's fine. Just because they aren't doing stereotypical things that doesn't mean they still aren't the gender they're born as. Maybe I think this way as I grew up without any confusion and my family was never super strict on gender stereotypes when I was a kid. My mother was a tomboy, I was allowed to play with some girl things as a boy like I had a couple of My Little Pony toys in the 80s. Half the confusion I have to wonder is this stupid opinion is letting the kid pick what they feel like. No your job as a parent is to make them aware they are the sex and gender they was born as.
I believe that when boys are raised to be men, they make better men, when girls are raised to be women, they make better women. Because men and women are vastly different and have different roles in society.
Self identity has totally confused people about the actual social issues they'e attempting to discuss...i think that maybe the point. It's like throwing a wrench into the logical deconstructing of these things.
When I was as young as 4 I knew that there were two sexes, man and woman, and that I would grow up to be a man. Never deviated from this even slightly.
Did I not read in psychology in the 1980s on early childhood development where some children can be wrecked by discovering that their parts are not like those of opposite sex playmates? And that this can cause some confusion and upset, where one of the children can see their parts as being the 'wrong' type respective to the other? And that some parents have to gently guide them through this little phase of confusion, have several discussions with them about how boys and girls are different? What happened to this knowledge is it not being taught to anyone in the past 20 years? MY GOD
Literally can't understand this. Are you saying if a kid says they feel like they are the opposite gender, it must mean they're being abused, by their parents presumably?
It's abuse to allow the child to live in a false reality. If a child thinks they are a lion, no adult should say "YES honey you are a lion." When they clearly aren't. You are feeding that child into living in delusion. I hope this was more clear for you to understand.
@@OhYeah3D when I was a kid, me and my friends would pretend to be creatures, characters, etc all the time. Our parents just let us play and even went along with it. My cousin is a boy but likes nail polish, makeup, dresses, etc, his mom just lets him wear whatever. Edit: obviously we didn't really think we were animals. I don't know any kid who thinks they're seriously an animal.
The answers of these people are guarded. They are making sure that they don’t say the wrong thing. **Should the parent, teacher, counsellor or medical professional be held personally responsible and liable for affirming, convincing and or facilitating a child, a minor under the age of 18 years old, to medically castrate and or sterilize themselves with puberty blockers, taking testosterone and or coercing them into having medical interventions that permanently alter their bodies to the point of never being able to have children or feel sexual pleasure if….when they become young adults they change their minds and feel violated and abused as a minor??? I say yes…if the adults allow minors to do irreversible harm to themselves while in their care, if the person changes their mind as a young adult….the groomers and child abuse should know that they will be held accountable. I’d bet the they wouldn’t be pushing this ideology so much if they thought that they had to pay for their crimes on children so quickly now would they.
These people are the evidence for how easy it is so manipulate people just by emotional arguments. It's sad but at the same time it's an interesting psychological experiment.
lol I didn’t know shit when I was 5-7 years old. None of these kids would even know there is any difference, without people telling them about the differences. So how can they possibly decide they are something else; when they only know about that something else; due to outside forces
I wonder why some ppls thought train often stops at "societal expectations regarding gender roles"... as if some people one day sat together in a room and discussed about how to create gender roles and then force them on everybody... as if that was a concious thing.. nobodys asks the next question, e.g. if or how certain habits and preferences might have developed during evolution. that was Peter's excellent question about the second best reason.
I explored the trans model as a potential explanation for some of my own issues a decade or so ago, and one of my first clues it was bogus was some research that showed that children have already learned what is expected of them because of their gender before they can talk (and tell their parents they feel a mismatch). Do the math...
I'm so sick of hearing how society pushes certain ideas and roles etc onto people. To me, this totally denies history. It ignores the fact that what is accepted by society is because precedence has determined this. Over the generations people observed that boys prefer to play one way in girls prefer to play another. People have observed differences between boys behaviors and girls behaviors as a result we just take it for granted that that is the norm. One thing I do agree with the change from the '70s I believe it was when gender studies came around..... That it's okay not to force gender rules or stereotypes onto little kids to be or to fit into a norm. But as is the case with all rules there are always going to be exceptions. I really like what Matt Walsh did when he asked a simple question what is a woman? Because if you are biologically born a male. The world's perception of you is a little baby, is that of a male. Everyone in your life up until a certain point will you started questioning, you have always been treated as a stereotypical male. Sure you may have started to develop less than stereotypical proclivities. but why isn't that just an individual preference? My point being up until whenever you decided that you preferred something different, your whole life experience has been that of a male. So what exactly are you identifying as? How can you claim to know what a woman feels, what a woman is, to be a woman trapped in a man's body? If that's not what you are biologically and that's not what you ever experienced? Your desire, your feelings, to present yourself, to play with different toys, to do different things, to dress differently, to look differently or preferences no different than liking chocolate ice cream over strawberry ice cream No different than preferring baseball over football. These things do not make you a man or a woman, These are simply individual preferences that have nothing to do with your sex/gender. And I think what Matt Walsh did was make it very clear when he asked what is a woman and no one could say. How can you identify with something you can't name You can't describe You have no terminology you have no word for and yet you want us to believe that's what you are?
These people are a walking contradiction. The idea of transgenderism insinuates gender differences in itself. Otherwise, they’d feel no need to call themselves a transgender woman or man.. 🤦🏻♂️ When I take my little girl to the you aisle, I don’t push her to the “girl” section, she gravitates towards it based on her own human nature.
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It doesn't matter if they can understand or not at that age.
First you must at LEAST mildly substantiate your philosophical underpinning or justification for claiming there is even anything for the child to be incorrect or correct about.
You must first show it's even remotely possible before you can ask if the child is ok to decide it lol.
After that, if it's shown to be an accurate description of the child then it's still no ...
They're children they can't legally consent. And that's backed up by almost universal morals as far as the innocence and naivety of children is concerned.
It's an indefensible position to suggest the most extreme transformation or interference in natural development can be consented to by a child.
An adult is free to change their physical appearance but if truth is the objective of the discussion then they are still incorrect in their assessment of the truth.
You can't just claim reproductive biology is wrong and demand I re-categories without showing your position is at the very least not propeller hat lunacy.
And claiming mammalian reproductive biology is not a binary is utter lunacy....
And needs to be refuted before any discussion about the so called nuances of the topic...
And absolutely has to be shown BEFORE consent for children can even be entertained...
Wow.
It's actually hard watching every single person struggle to dance around the very obvious answer they know but don't want to say....
For 2 reasons...
1: the obvious fear ..
And the often forgotten but very important point...
2: lying, pretending to not get it to avoid exposing their errors.
Not admitting recognised contradiction or error on purpose with a smirk and deflecting... Is lying.
*I'm not a doctor so I don't know...*
Funny how that's the answer to any point against their position...
But it's not when they assert something.
Yeah, that's why it's dishonest.
8:06 Children should always have their gender identity affirmed? Uh... no. In which age do children exist? One problem is that even people who are adults now days can be very immature, overly emotional, intellectually & physically stunted and inexperienced (for a number of reasons). Even physically, our population is suffering from major problems with developing proper hormone levels and physical health.
8:19 If they are already in public or on camera, they are already likely too self-conscious to be totally honest. This can come in the form of self-censorship or general fear of letting others know your true feelings or beliefs. This is why journalists sometimes protect peoples' identity so there's no backlash.
The woman explaining that there are only 2 sexes is so nervous about saying the wrong things and upsetting the others. This is the problem.
sex:
the state of being either male or female in most species of metazoans. In humans, each cell nucleus contains 23 pairs of chromosomes, a total of 46 chromosomes. The first 22 pairs are called autosomes. Autosomes are homologous chromosomes, that is, chromosomes that contain the same genes (regions of DNA) in the same order along their chromosomal arms. The 23rd pair of chromosomes are called allosomes (sex chromosomes). These consist of two X chromosomes in most all females, and an X chromosome and a Y chromosome in most all males. Females, therefore, have 23 homologous chromosome pairs, while males have 22. The X and Y chromosomes have small regions of homology called pseudoautosomal regions. The X chromosome is always present as the 23rd chromosome in the ovum, while either an X or Y chromosome may be present in an individual spermatozoon cell gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either (anatomical) hermaphrodites or of indeterminate sex (or to be more accurate, disordered sex). That does not negate the incontrovertible FACT that there are but two sexes/genders. In order for reproduction to take place, there is the requirement of a female ovum and a male sperm to unite, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division of most species of animals is to enable procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the individual in question. There is no third gamete. Cf. “gender”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
If the reader is curious to know the reason for this term being included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because, in recent times, LEFTISTS have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the words “sex” and “gender”, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, immoral ideologies, especially by promoting the nonsensical idea that a person is able to transition from one gender to the other.
gender:
the state of being either male or female, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete. An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders. As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
In those rare cases in which a human is born without gonads, the other characteristics of sex/gender would be taken into consideration - firstly, the allosomes (sex chromosomes) found in the DNA of every cell, and then, any extant genitalia, since even those females who have experienced the misfortune of being born without ovaries, for instance, usually have their remaining sex organs intact).
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema.
If the reader is curious to know why this term is included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because leftists have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the word in recent times, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, sinful, objectively-immoral ideologies.
Until relatively recently, the word “gender” has ALWAYS been used in the etymologically-accurate sense of the term, and even in the former case, predominantly where leftist ideologues comprise a significant proportion of the population. See also “leftism”.
If you are truly wise and intelligent, you would surely have recognized several amazing secrets contained within the body of this treatise, “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”. However, perhaps the most secretive secret, shall forthwith be revealed:
It is IMPOSSIBLE for a human being to change his or her sex/gender! (You are implored to keep this secret - do not tell a soul!!!)
For example, a man who castrates himself and wears a skirt or a dress is simply a mutilated, transvestinal male - not a woman or a female. Similarly, a woman who attaches an appendage resembling a phallus to her crotch and dons a pair of pantaloons, is merely a transvestinal woman with a fake penis between her thighs, and not a man, nor a male, in any accurate sense of the terms.
Actually, I would contend that any “man” who excises his reproductive organs was ALWAYS a dickless “man”, metaphorically speaking. 🤪
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Imagine the headaches they get!!!!
The problem is that these people are trying to answer questions that they have never thought about. Also, some of the questions are nonsensical.
@@gloriaf6971, respected British anthropology professor, Dr. Edward Dutton, has demonstrated that “LEFTISM” is due to genetic mutations caused by poor breeding strategies.
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To put it simply, in recent decades, those persons who exhibit leftist traits such as egalitarianism, feminism, gynocentrism, socialism, multiculturalism, transvestism, homosexuality, perverse morality, and laziness, have been reproducing at rates far exceeding the previous norm, leading to an explosion of insane, narcissistic SOCIOPATHS in (mostly) Western societies.
A 5 year old? Really? How many children know what sex even is at 5? This is insane. You did a great job at exposing the absurdity of this issue, Peter. Also, it was another good discussion without any abuse, which is great to see. It seems the younger generation are too hot-headed for these types of discussions.
I have a son around that age. He doesn't know what sex is. He doesn't know what gender is. He doesn't know what puberty is.
He just wants new batteries for his Hot Wheels track and a milkshake.
@@headkickedget him those batteries and that milkshake but a small
@@headkickedI’ve tried to explain to someone that children don’t need to be educated on sexual orientation and gender, because they’re not sexually active or thinking about it, and they’ll still grow up to be decent adults who aren’t bigoted (I’m one of them), and they tried so hard to justify why kids need to know about sexuality.
It felt surreal.
"Sex is socially constructed, but race is backed by science"
Holy hell, these people have twisted themselves so far around the horseshoe. You can almost literally see the gears in their heads creaking as they struggle to find rhetorical support for these issues they have such strong opinions on but have never thought through for more than a minute. I don't mind at all that some people have no interest in philosophical debate, but the way the kinds of people shown in this video proudly and smugly show off their ignorance is maddening.
and someone can be 1/2 black but are treated as 100% black in America, and brown in Africa (e.g. Obama).
or they can be 1/4 black, but raised by black family and identify more with that culture.
Ascpects of racial self identification are arguably more social than gender, Irish people and Italians weren't viewed as whites for a long time.
This entire ideological period is a huge test of patience by anyone who has followed through on just a few implications of the logic. It just makes me think that this is how propaganda works, that people absorb slogans through repeated exposure to them, and then when asked about the reasoning, they start to scratch their head…
And now you know how Hitler, Stalin and Mao were able to do what they did.
@@kissmy_butt1302 the book by Jonathan Rauch called The constitution of Knowledge is the closest thing I’ve read to being a complete goal for what’s needed to fend of these ideological attacks, lest they turn sinister and ultimately totalitarian
How can we share a country with these people.
My daughter(4) was mothering her stuffed rainbow monkey before we bought a baby doll for her. My son(2) who has access to these same toys does not care about them with nearly the enthusiasm. my daughter's favorite use of my son's dump truck is as a bed for her various children (baby doll, monkey, Mickey mouse)
It's been amazing to me how naturally they are attracted to these stereotypes
THANK You for this stunningly normal and intelligent comment ! I cannot understand the absolute abserdity of this modern progressive brain dead society 😢.
It's because those are archetypes, not stereotypes
The idea that children can consent to puberty blockers is directly linked to the idea that children can consent to sex. You have to stick them on this.
Wow man, I never heard this correlation. But you’re 100% correct.
wait. care to explain, im not following...
@@Fraggle-h7o I think it’s related to the possibility of losing the ability to orgasm with puberty blockers. So if a child can consent to that, the correlation to consenting to sex is possible.
@@davidpaul9961 sounds more like consent to castration than to sex...
@@Fraggle-h7ocross sex hormones make you sterile. They'd have to understand sex/child birth and be able to consent to sex.
We are truly living in an era of cowardice. The fact that we are allowing a small minority of people dictate what biological reality is says a lot about human nature and how pathetic we have become. They are so afraid to speak truth at the risk of offending.
Its not that they're afraid of offending people, its the fact they're afraid of being outcast.
nobody in this video said that sex was a social construct no? they were definitely a little afraid to say that it wasn't lmao but when did any of these people deny biological reality?
@@cuteface88Being outcast or potentially fired, which is most likely why most people do not speak up. Most people are on a 9 to 5.
@@twot2224 Sex, the word, requires definition. Biological sex, at birth is determined by genitalia (with tiny exceptions-very rare). Sexual attraction/preference is determined by both natural orientation and socialization, in varying degrees, by individuals.
@@twot2224almost all of em used the terms ”female/male” the entire time. You’re either death or stupid. They also claimed that sex is assigned at birth meaning it’s not a biological fact determined at conception
I have five kids. They can barely make a life altering decision at 17.
Boys and girls are very different. Again, as a father of five girls, all of them are much different from one another, but they're drastically different from me or any of my male friends ever were. I tried to raise them to like boys toys and stuff, but they always gravitated towards the girls toys. They've done studies on this as well.
This. Do these people even have kids? We offered all kinds of toys to our girls and they still prefer dolls to trucks.
@jasonfriedmann2697 I don't think there's much thinking going on there. He's just repeating the holy scriptures as they've been told to him.
The democrat child predators throw out the studies that don’t support their pedofyle agenda.
It’s so funny that people think that “girly” things are sold to girls as some kind of socialist top down. If the kids didn’t buy the stuff companies wouldn’t spend resources making it. It’s the kids demanding certain type of toys.
They can barely make a life altering decision at 17.
Bingo! Have we all forgotten this?? And now so many parents (not all Thank God) give strong consideration towards allowing children to make life altering decisions when there is a 95% chance that they are just confused due to this prevailing elitist conversation then should not exist to begin with. When they can vote or drink, then let them make a life altering decision. Tough sht if gay children have 'growing pains' - just like hetero children do====>>
my sister had four boys, i had two boys and then a girl, she was the seventh child behind six boys. they all played together from birth. i don't think she even knew another girl closely until kindergarten. even so, she still preferred some girly things, not all but some, that the boys did not. girls and boys ARE different and it should not be a crime to say so. these kids were all raised the same but the differences are discernable.
My sister never was interested in dolls or girl things, but she’s still a woman
I could tell immediately, literally the instant the video started that this would A) be a group of vacationing Americans from a gay cruise, and B) that I, an actual homosexual, would share next to none of any of their libbed out, corporate, HRC Democrat approved, opinions on anything discussed.
I truly feel completely separate from all these people that the media continually tries to tell me I share a so called "community" with. No. I don't, and I won't.
Same! LGB✂️TQIA+
Your comment gives me faith in humanity.
LOL. The first thing I thought when I heard the sunglass guy speak was that he came from a gay cruise and none of these people are Puerto Ricans. These are white tourists who think they 'need a vacation' to 'escape the stress/fascism of their lives'.
I had a gay white roommate who would do exactly this. He barely ever got any work done. He's a liberal, hates Trump, And think drags queens are under attack. But he was a nice guy I guess😂.
They “gay cruise “ sounds 100%legit🙌🏻😎 How can these people be so f delusional? It’s beyond belief to me… and sad to witness
This is very refreshing to hear as my gay friends/co-workers from years past were not this flung out with all of this crazy-talk now. Good reminder that we are all individuals first and foremost...Tribalism already carries too much weight, we need to whittle away at all of that.
This was painful. I wish I was there so bad - there are only two sexes, zero genders and infinite personalities - Billboard Chris
Yes! That statement is SO true!
How do these people cope with this much cognitive dissonance? They know they’re lying and that it’s painful for them. The body language screams it.
Peer pressure is a powerful force. That's what these activists have been doing--conditioning us to censor ourselves and each other.
Totally agree...made a similar comment...is litterally painful to watch...
They don’t know they are lying. This is the mistake people make. These people are true believers.
@@cyberft Some of them maybe...but others you can clearly see they are omitting or even lying when they talk...for "political correctness" sake...
simple; because saying anything else would be social suicide.
Toy preferences are seen prior to cultural influence, including in primates - it's fascinating how difficult it is for people to accept this, as if it is an admission that we are different and therefore unequal.
These people have lost sight of the fact that if you strip away everything humans have made we're just another species of mammal. And there are behavioral differences between males and females in virtually all species, why are we any different? They also seem to not realize that these "social constructs" came about over a very long time and were also driven by biology and thousands of years of evolution. It's not like humans at some point had a meeting and set up a "boys" and "girls" columns and constructed all of the things they should like. Of course there is some societal influence but to act like it's ONLY that is ridiculous. Everyone thinks they're being logical but we're still driven by our animalistic side much more than we realize. The way humans lived didnt change all that much for thousands of years and then changed drastically the last few thousand and even more so the last 100. All of that programming from before is still in us, and our way of life has changed way too fast to evolve into being able to live like this without major issues.
Sometimes I wonder if we've just learned too much about the way the world works and we'd be better off just being ignorant of so many things like the rest of the animals on this planet.
You hit the nail on the head "we are different and therefore unequal" They can't accept this fact. They have been programmed all their lives that men and women are completely interchangeable. Which is not the case.
Yes! Exactly! These people are parroting the politically correct buzzwords they've heard over and over again but really they have no idea. I doubt they've ever even questioned it or formed any independent, reasoned argument.
@@robertwilson2007 I seriously don't understand how anyone can live in reality and think that!! But apparently a significant percentage of people do..
Listening to a parent say she's willing to support the medical transition of her child on the basis of that child's pronouncements is legit scary.
It really is. I dont want to judge a fellow parent because we arent all perfect, hell I sure am not. But this... i just cant help but say WTF IS WRONG WITH THESE PPL 🤬
They clearly haven't even thought through their own positions on these subjects. They just parrot the woke slogans. It's infuriating to listen to. They can barely string together coherent sentences. Really depressing how far we've fallen as a society. I think logical argumentation needs to be a required course for graduating high school bc these people don't know how to think
@@mary-janegreen1513 as a parent I feel totally comfortable judging someone who is willing to give up their children’s safety to ideological capture
What they’re saying is an abomination. It’s madness. They wouldn’t let their child choose to have a tattoo, to have sex with and adult, to drive a car… yet they would allow their child to have surgery to chop off their sex organs just encode that child has been duped by radical left propaganda and indoctrination
They don’t deserve the title of parent
didn't she say once they were grown up?
@@mary-janegreen1513 Dont EVER feel wrong about judging someone or something. Humans would not exst if that that was the case.
That this could become a _debatable point_ is amazing in itself.
...effing waltDisneyShow!
Scary... how the general pop can be so easily indoctrinated.
If children fully understood the implications of taking pubertal blockers, they wouldn't want them.
What a great point.
And yet there are adult trans people who wish they had had the chance to take puberty blockers.
@@razzle_dazzle that's because they have a mental disorder, like anyone with any mental disorder they need help, to deal with reality. Many ppl "wish" things happened differently when they were kid's, this spot light on a tiny percent vs the majority of ppls mental illness not being affirmed is fascinating, don't you think.
Thats the thing kids can't possibly understand ANY of this crap that's what's so maddening..but when the adults in the room act like children this is what you get
@@razzle_dazzle “and yet” there are adults who regret having their genitalia chopped off by degenerate and abusing eve medical practitioners after being indoctrinated by predatory idiot leftist grifters and degenerates… hmmm…
Maybe just stay away from the kids??
It's amazing to me how careful everyone is with their non-answers. It sounds like everyone feels strongly about stuff they have no idea about. Society is really feeding everyone crap
The two men in the middle should each be awarded an Olympic Gold Medal in mental gymnastics.
These are great leading questions.
It really places people in a position to confront their conflicting beliefs.
I think this is a great way to frame these issues without providing anyone with information but highlighting their intellectual inconsistencies.
They’re not meant to be leading, but rather broadly Socratic.
Societal norms generally come from human nature, these people make it sound like they were chosen at random.
The "evil patriarchy" planned it from the start when "they" were wearing animal skins and living in caves.
Exactly...and also 99% of stereotypes actually have some IRL base (or origin) for them...they dont come out of thin air...
@@dimercamparini I'd put the figure lower - there are a decent amount of stereotypes that are made up about strangers - but you're definitely right about a good number. The main problem with more accurate stereotypes is stupid people who don't realise they're generalisations and not 100% right 100% of the time.
@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 sure...I was just pulling a number out of my "derriere"...you can chose another...but the general concept still stands...contrary to woke popular belief that is all fake and made-up, most stereotypes are rooted in reality. :DD
And you are right also about the other thing...is like when one sais "men are stronger than women" and another tries to debunk that saying "well...that is not true...some women can beat some men..."
SURE...one is not saying that ALL men can beat ALL women...but in GENERAL and on AVERAGE that is a factual statement and is absolutely not debunkable.
(and you are disingenuous to try to use that counter-argument to try to do that)
@@dimercamparini I agree yeah.
There is something really eerie and a bit hopeless about actually confronting someone you know personally who says, out loud, that they would “happily support [their] daughter getting sex change surgeries at any age because all [they] care about is her existing for as long as possible.”
Totally internalised the “dilemma” of affirming fake gender or assuming suicide.
Yeah the whole "do this or I'll kill myself" is just emotional blackmail/extortion. And why is it that there weren't massive amounts of suicide 20 or 30 years ago from all the kids with gender dysphoria? And those were kids that had it 10x harder than they do now because of the societal norms at the time.
My coworker owns a company with a woman who has a trans child. She wonders if she is a good parent every day after transitioning her daughter into a son. She said she wanted to do what was right and at the time she thought that was transitioning her to a him. They both have to live with what doctors have done to her daughter’s body. It’s so sad. Removal of breasts, etc.
The question “why do girls play with dolls” would’ve had me facepalming so hard if I were anywhere near these people. It’s unbelievable.
What I find unbelievable is the fact that none of them could give a reasonable answer to the question. It's not exactly rocket science. But a couple of them didn't seem too clear on what sex is, so I'm probably expecting too much.
Same! I had just sat down on the couch next to my daughter, listening on my AirPods- & I got so frustrated I WAS facepalming .. & I blurted out some things about my frustration forgetting my daughter was right here & to her I’m just talking to myself😂
“What’s the matter mom, who’s ridiculous..?” … oh nothing baby- just people.. I’m sorry
Lol
Like we don’t know that there are some traits that are simply inherent .. it’s nature., little girls drawn to dolls is because they naturally tend to be more nurturing! They also often wanna mimic mom- which is also a natural thing .
One of my daughter was obsessed with all things baby doll since she was old enough to engage in play! From a baby, it’s what she was drawn to-& our home had every type of toy imaginable! By the time she was 5 she had everything a baby would need- a toy stroller, a crib, a diaper bag, etc- and when she was 9 she started collected reborn dolls. She’s 13 now so she’s not into dolls, but that nurturing side is still very much a part of her- she still wants stuffed animals, she still wants to nurture her siblings, & she loves helping out with her baby cousins. It’s just who she is.
My son use to take random toys & pretend it was a lawnmower & go out in the yard following dad when he was 3… not because someone forced a lawnmower on him - but because he naturally wanted to be like his daddy, and because he liked things with wheels that made noise.
There’s reasons beyond what society imposes that kids are drawn to certain things- reasons like BIOLOGY.
And where do they think certain societal norms came from in the first place; they were born from how humans naturally were.
People are so concerned with being enlightened that they massively overcorrect & do just as much- if not more- harm than the people who did actually force certain gendered things on their kids.
I don’t know why it’s so difficult to simply leave a kid be.
They didn't answer PB when he asked how these equalities would arise, given how men and women choose occupations? He used umpires and Steelworkers, but cement workers, brick layers, and most plumbers are also men. I don't think women could be offered these jobs and want them. I don't have the physical strength or energy, even when I was younger, to match a man's. This seems like a male dominated conversation, not because the moderator happens to be male, but because the men seem disconnected from the interest of our species. They like gender identity because it's self-absorbed, it suits the me-philosophers and it justifies their otherness. I found it interesting one guy says it's not like age because age is linear. Well, actually, our biological sex is also a linear trajectory. It only wouldn't be because they're trying to claim it's a psychological condition we can change physically. A few detransed people might divest them of this thought process.
@@jadehidalgo3437I'm really trying to handle this with some tact, but if you shared this view/opinion with anyone who disagreed with you they'd tear you to shreds in seconds.
A boy wanting to be like Daddy so he models what he sees him using/playing with and vice versa for girls and mothers is as much of a social influence and not biological at all as you can get. You were actually so damn close to getting it right until you brought up that your daughter models you and your boy models your husband. That IS them modeling a social construct. That is not biology at all.
@@bbbbbbb51funny, you're the one who's got it wrong. Daddy's actions, then, would also have to have been socially constructed, as would have his father's, and his father's before him, and so on. But they weren't!! They were biologically constructed. No one, at any point in the chain, decided that men would do the labor, and women would do the raising/nurturing. It was a logical outcome of the biological differences between men and women that led to the very "social cobstructs" we see today. Obviously, with the rise of technology and the little need for any REAL labor by the majority, biological roles are becoming less important, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Try again.
I love how age can't be changed but "gender" can
It's hilarious watching their faces baulk at the questions, twisting into a "he's trying to trap me and destroy my ideology" grimace. No people, he's trying to make you think. They take their reasoning to insane levels to try and justify things, would be funny if it wasn't so depressing.
well said. hes trying to make you THINK about what and why youve been brainwashed with!! to explain your stance on these issues
I never seen a group of people walk the line so hard to avoid telling how they really feel. You can hear the fear of cancellation in their voices. This was awkward as hell.
To me, it doesn't make sense to think that children are sophisticated enough to make choices around something as significant as sex trasition without also thinking they're sophisticated enough to vote, drink and get married.
Or to just be left alone to raise themselves in general.
Kids shouldn’t even be choosing what Food to eat or what to wear.. let alone giving them a choice of being the opposite gender.. OF COURSE some kids are jumping on this when the adults in their life are clapping and celebrating their TRANS KID and giving the kid so MUCH power .. in choosing what sex they want to be.. and what to wear and pretending to be the opposite gender.. ITS INSANE! I’m not a conspiracy person at all but I see a push to accept pedophiles now.. or ‘Child love’.. and although I don’t believe conspiracy Theories Talking to Kids about sex and choosing THEIR sex and TAKING TO RAUNCHY SEXUALLY EXPLICIT PRIDE PARADES CERTAINLY LOOKS LIKE SEXUALISING KIDS..
@SydneyBristow0788 That's the ultimate goal of the progressive activists. They want to eliminate the family and have children raised by the state.
Exactly. They shouldn't need parents if they're the ones making decisions. People are so braindead
what about just the identity part?
Race is in your DNA but your sex isn't? Makes perfect sense. 😂
I know right, oh the apply the science where I want.
Yeah...ummmm who even knows what is male an female? I have no idea. Pretty sure my wife is female, but who knows?
Sex is two people fucking... Gender is what your gonads are. Learn something knew everyday huh. :)
to the stupid and insane
Mr. Peter, you do a stupendous job floating the microphone between all of the people wishing to articulate themselves. Beautifully done.
Agreed
It's sad that conversations/discussions like this are not meant to exchange ideas, but to try to get people snap back to reality. Self identification doesn't mean anything. You can identify as whatever you want, but that doesn't change how others identify you.
That's the dumbest take today. Congrats!
There is no such thing as gender. The whole idea is outside of reality. Gender identity is a stupid game, a social trend.
@@JoeyCHighestDegree elaborate
The game is indeed an exchange of ideas. I saw no one trying to get anyone to snap back to anything. They hang themselves. No one needs to snap them back. That's the entire point. When you talk things out common sense of supposed to win. And even when it doesn't, the frauds are exposed. And I have no idea what you mean with your last sentence. It's incomprehensible.
@@JoeyCHighestDegree Nice! Right out of the gate with an ad-hom attack? That really says more about you than anything else.
I have a 9 year old boy. Thankfully we took him out of public schools after kindergarten and now hes being homeschooled. Im extremely happy we made this decision early on. I refuse to allow this wicked system to indoctrinate and confuse his young, impressionable mind.
Contact some other good parents... make your own classroom, so many parents can help teach. This should be the norm.
Boys and girls should definitely be raised differently.
Agreed, I'd mandate IV drip puberty blockers and covid vaccines from 3 days after birth onwards. Then raise them opposing the sex they were "identified" as during the birth observation
That's kind of tricky. What is the definition of "raised." I think generally it should be the same, but certain things are based on sex. I'm not going to spend a lot of effort teaching my boy about menstruation. For my daughter it was a very significant part of her care.
@@pokegogeezer7676 Sexual market value and dating selection are vastly different between men and women due to reproduction. These impact many decisions, so yes, men and women should be raised differently or they will have less ability to perform respective duties.
Totally, because they have different mindsets and energy levels( generally speaking)-
@@kheriseThat's where this thought process goes too far. It doesn't intrinsically have to mean different energy and mindset. A lot of that is likely social. Humans have very absurd roles that go well beyond nature.
This was such a good episode- I watched it twice. I love to see the wheels spinning. Peter has such a talent for facilitating these conversations.
I think it is his best episode. Watching their brains turn to mush was so interesting.
It gave me anxiety, I was literally straining away from the screen! 😬
I litterally feel physical pain in listening to these ppl...the cognitive dissonance between what their instincts and brain tell them, and what they think they can actually say out loud in this woke society is staggering...
Why do you have to go around in your life SELF-CENSORING yourself like that?
I’m with you. This is the most disturbing conversation I’ve ever heard.
Me too!
That was a great question to a group of like-minded people, "Besides Society, what's the 2nd best reason girls like to play with dolls?"
People are so afraid of saying the wrong thing! Sad
I’m not I’d be telling these people they’re f’ing imbeciles.
Their repeating these ideologies with OUT THINKING!
Afraid of saying the right thing...
The lack of thought process in their answers scares me but I can't stop clicking on these videos. 🙂
I know, im absolutely FASCINATED by the people who've been captured by this ideology. Its just so silly
Some of these people are trying hard to stay on their team regardless of what is being told. Mr. Boghossian's questions made them actively contradict themselves. Generally, let adults do what they want, but kids and preteens who haven't hit puberty should not be toyed with. Let them grow and be extra careful.
Where did you find these dudes? Did they just come off the cruise in Old San Juan?
I’m from PR and some of these people responses blow my mind. I’m pretty sure these are Americans that went to PR. We are pretty conservative as a people.
Definitely not native lol, I agree with you
I mean, yeah, they are clearly tourists lol
I hope these are Americans. That would suck if PR is some Mecca of woke.
These are gay tourists.
That guy with the blue cap and white shirt was so afraid to say what he was actually thinking. Looking at everybody else, hesitating, rephrasing and even openly admitting that if he was to say the truth it would not be taken lightly.
The social conditioning for toys argument is nonsense at this point. You can build such a strong nomological network to disprove the social conditioning argument. Gilrs like dolls, boys like trucks. Period. Just a truth of the world. Chimpanzees show the same toy preferences. Ancient artwork show modern toy preferences. Children who are raised without socially enforced roles show the same toy preferences. Children in societies with different levels of social conditioning (Sweden vs. Iran) show the same toy preferences. Children with hormonal abnormalities, for example girls with too much testosterone so they are biologically similar to boys, show the same toy preferences as boys.
Would enjoy reading this study yet, to ignore the fact that Irán is an Islamic theocracy and so called gender roles can be brutally enforced if one steps out of their Qu'ranic designated roles would be willingly or unwittingly ignoring a significant element of the social equation.
@@edgarpayne8673Muslim traditionalism may be our only saving grace when population hits the inverted pyramid.
@@edgarpayne8673 Iran being a fundamental Islamic theocracy is the point of the comparison. There, a boy playing with dolls wouldn't be tolerated. In Sweden it would be. Yet children in both countries show the same toy preferences.
It's evolutionary biology. Obviously we have an innate biological need to play with dolls and be nurturing as young girls because we are made to propagate the species.
I was raised with a selection of toys and activities. I liked rough riding my bike, climbing trees, doing DIY and the science sets my parents bought, as well as imaginary play and dolls, art, dance, music, history, politics. I am a woman. I never felt restricted at home about what I showed interest in whether that was ballet or football, science or art. However, I'm of the age when schooling still had bias in subjects taught to boys and girls being split e g woodwork v home economics and therefore I was still influenced by those societal impacts. Broadly, give your kids a whole range of toys and activities that develop different skills and interests and as they grow their own preferences and aptitides will emerge and can be encouraged whatever they are. The point is for each individual to reach their potential for what they enjoy and have aptitude for, cope well with the things they dont enjoy but life still requires, and not be barred from those things because of their sex either way.
All these people are absolutely crazy for being ok for 5 year olds to medically transition. Unbelievable.
Hope that one guy doesn't breed
@@entropy2283 Who knows if he can. Depends on if he or his boyfriend there indentifies as a woman or not.
How can these people not know that little girls want to be like their mum? It's just so obvious if you watch children. It's their natural instinct to copy their mother so they can learn how to raise a family of their own. Dolls play to that instinct perfectly, and I am sure that if you took away dolls from little girls, they would just use other things as de-facto dolls.
Your last point is so true and has been my observed experience.
Boys are the same. Give them a stick they'll turn it into a bat or a gun or bow and arrow.
The fact that how nevous these people get when asked these questions and how they are more worried about how they will be judged by others (cultists) if they answer the questions in some particular way (the truth), IS everything that is wrong with society.
Can a color blind person be wrong about what color something is? Or is the color they experience the color that it is?
By far the most shocking thing in this video is that they don't even seem to be able to think of any other reasons than society, to explain why people/kids are acting the way they do.
So ironically a group of really really closeminded people. But I bet they think of themselves as really open minded.
Hello! I had a boy and a girl. They chose what they liked to play with. I never played with dolls however my daughter played hrs with dolls. One time she wrapped a serviette around a fork and pretended it was a doll. My son would sit and watch equipment working on the block. He then drew detailed diagrams of equipment. Nobody told them what to like, they chose for themselves what they liked to do. These people have no knowledge or experience as parents. God made men and women different with different roles, adults are the ones interfering with children and confusing them.
It's really amazing how pervasive gender ideology has become, to the extent that this group of people have a really hard time talking about it earnestly.
It’s physically difficult at this point for me to make it through these things- I actually have a visceral reaction😣 5min in and I’m frustrated.. it’s NOT just a matter of society & imposing things on children- ITS INHERENT! Society got its norms FROM NATURE.. It’s nature. It’s biology. From the moment I knew I was going to be a mom 16 years ago I knew I wasn’t gonna enforce certain gendered norms onto my children.. I’ve always raised them with the space to just be, while supporting & encouraging who they are. Never did the “that’s a boy toy, or no you can’t play with that doll it’s for girls” I just got them toys. But when my 1st child was hardly even a year old, with no societal influences imposed on him, & he’d have an abundance of toys infront of him of all different kinds- he almost always faithfully went for the trucks! There cojld be a giant new gadget there & he’d pick the small thing with wheel’s because he loved trucks! My 2nd, same thing with dolls- from the time she was crawling around she loved it. Any time we went to a store shed beg for anything relating to baby dolls.. not because it was pushed on her, or because everyone gave her that- it’s because it’s what she liked. & girls are usually drawn to those types of toys because most girls are nurturing BY NATURE!!! It’s inherent!!
Now my 3rd & 4th- they were very much an equal mixture in terms of what they liked & their personality traits. I had my wild child daughter Who wanted to play in the mud & thought she was Spider-Man jumping on furniture, but she also wanted to be a princess- & I had my senstive boy who would sit with his big sister with their Cinderella heals on while he had an action figure in his hand. The point in- there are aspects of us that are by nature! That have nothing to do with society.
And what these people are doing now is an overcorrection, big time!!! They aren’t allowing the kids to be themselves, they’re pushing them to pick up more of the opposite gender traits & forcing their ideological beliefs on them. There’s nothing wrong with giving a girl pink things just as much as there’s nothing wrong if she doesn’t like pink.
And btw, shocker I know- but my daughter who loved playing in the dirt & getting rough with the boys- who would throw a tantrum if I put bows in her hair- is now a typical teenager girl who’s discovering new sides to herself- who spent almost the entire day yesterday trying out different hair styles , curling it, flat ironing it, fixing it different ways- as she’s getting more comfortable with herself & the changes, she’s gaining confidence & is embracing this new stage. & she’ll be the first to tell you- girls can like pink, get girly, wear dresses, etc and still hang with the boys and be just as tough!
JUST LEAVE THEM BE!!
I also want to say there are some extents to which you do have differences in how they are raised. Not only because their biology IS different- but also because their experiences in this life are & will be different.. & you can say “well it shouldn’t be, well in utopia it wouldn’t be” - but here in reality, IT IS. There are different things I teach my daughters, different behaviors I don’t allow or condone, things I’m maybe a little more cautious with them than with their brothers. Because that’s just reality. The conversations I have with my teen daughter about internet safety & rules for example aren’t exactly the same as it is with her older brother, .. my husband & I are a little different with the girls than with the boys- just because you wish the world was different doesn’t mean it is. Maybe you think a young lady should be able to act the same way as a man , & be still be treated the same- or seen with the same level of respect, etc .. but that doesn’t mean the world is gonna suddenly be the way you think it should- & I’m raising them in reality. My 15 yr old son can go walk around the corner to his friends house , my 13 year old daughter can not! My son can walk over to a group of young boys at a park or something, my daughter can not! She’s not allowed. & call it sexist, call it unfair, whatever - That’s just the way it is.
Exactly and it’s a fact that female learn differently than male, see color differently, hear sounds differently, interact differently with other people. Everything about females and males are biologically different. What I think is funny is probably about 10 years ago all of those people always thought there is only 2 genders but the minority convinced them to deny science and look and sound stupid right along with them
The fact is is that it is these people who are the ones enforcing the very gender stereotypes they claim are so wrong/harmful: what? You like playing with dolls? You must be a girl in a boys body!!!
These people are either insane, poorly educated, retarded, or all three.
@@americanoutrage1204 It boggles my mind that the question "How many sexes are there" was a stumper, immediately after saying sex is based in biology
No, Mold your kids into good strong adults.... dont let them think for themselves. They wont find that path, its tough to navigate with fiery emotions.
Imagine if 14 isn't old enough to decide if R. Kelly is allowed to piss on you but is old enough to decide you want "gender identity treatment".
I think that girls tend to enjoy dolls due to their inherent maternal instincts. Look into advertisement & subliminal imaging. It really helps to open up the psyche of the sexes in terms of how archetypal images can affect/sway someone without their knowledge. Just my 2 cents.
Edit: wow. Just wow. I can’t believe that these are adults thinking along these absurd lines. Keep it coming, great content.
I think that this "maternal instinct" is influenced by media and the only maternal role model they have: mother.
Solves the fermi Paradox... after a number of years conizations turn gay and stop reproducing. We've seen it in mice colonies.
Something very maternal about all those mothers that neglect, sell, abuse, torture, and murder their children. Very nurturing and loving.
@@electrokitcity yeah some people are assholes. Learn to use your head & discern outliers from standards.
Yeah I agree, and theres nothing very paternal about those fathers who beat and murder children either.
Peter, I LOVE your work. I learn so much and really honour the participants who have civilized conversations.
watching that little girl chase the bird made me smile.
Have you ever seen that scene from Monty Python when the knight is trying to teach the people about whether or not the woman is a witch? And it pans over to John Cleese's face dumbfounded as he tries to think through an illogical problem? ...That's what their expressions reminded me of 🤣🤣😂😂
I really wish there was a greater diversity of perspectives in this social exercises.
You do a great job of keeping your own position out of your interactions in these interviews. You tease out the answers allowing people to speak freely.
I can feel the soy oozing out of my phone from these “dudes”.
These people are lost and frightened.
Thank you for asking questions that challenge minds.
Yeah because pretending your Utopia is already there and basing real world decisions today on that premise doesn't lead to any problems at all.
I love the way you never give your own opinion and just leave people to freely express themselves and talk. They do make me worry for our society though. Some of these answers are so painful to watch!
These people have completely swallowed the bs whole. I heard all the usual buzzwords and talking points, and it was all ridiculous. People spend way too much time trying to split sex and gender. It's really silly. People have sex and words have gender. Basically, what they call gender is just personality. Hardly anything they said made any sense. And I find it hard to believe they have spent much time around children.
Do you think there are behavioral, psychological, and cultural traits typically associated with each sex? If so, what would be the best word to refer to those?
@@razzle_dazzlecultural and biological norms.
@@bbbbbbb51 That doesn't narrow it down enough. They specifically have to be sex-based.
If there already is a word that people generally understand to refer to those traits, why not use it?
@@razzle_dazzle did you really just say that biological norms aren't sex based? Lol?
@@bbbbbbb51 No, I'm pointing out that your definition didn't even mention that we're talking about sex-based norms. And the whole point of the video was to discuss how many of the norms expected of each sex are biological and how many are cultural (which you seem to realize because you said _"cultural and_ biological norms").
So again: instead of such a long phrase, why not use the word we already have?
Playing with Lego with my kids. I'd set them a challenge to make specific objects. Fascinating to watch the difference between the spaceship they each made. Son's spaceship had lasers, etc. Daughter's was all about nice pastels and nice interior with flowers, etc. As a parent you see countless examples of innate differences.
Imagine finding these "difficult questions".
wow man the patience you have. Bravo!!! these people are the reason why the Greeks and the Romans fell!!!!!!!
I don’t buy into the “gender stereotype” stuff. If my kids like something then it’s for them. That’s how I was raised. My parents let me be who I was and never encouraged me to try to be something I could never be. I learned valuable lessons and skills from both of my parents.
Unless someone convinced them to like it?
The whole gender stereotype type thing is bizarre to me too. Was encouraged to “be myself” and raised 3 kids to do the same. Questioning my body foundationally just wasn’t a thing - it’s what I arrived to and what I will leave from. No amount of superficially changing that changes me.
@@jamesbizs I don't think you can force someone to like something they don't like. People are social creatures, though, so we can't discount the influence of family and friends on children's choices. If everyone in her friend group is playing with dolls (or trucks), a girl is likely to start doing the same, even if she doesn't particularly like dolls (or trucks). There's no intention to force the girl into a gender stereotype, it's just the way people tend to behave.
Society needs ppl who do the right thing for society not just what feels the best for themselves. Nobody "wants" to go sit in a wet trench getting shelled by ruzzians, it's not very fun actually. If Ukrainian kids were raised like you raise your kids, the country would be done for the same day the attack started. "Freedom" from these suppressive expecations, sounds great, but if everyone does what they "feel like" with no expectations to sacrifise, society collapse. You need to tell ppl, we expect you to step up and fight for your country, and we will reward you socially if you do and shame you if you don't. Is it fair/nice, no, but it is how it has to be. These progressive ideas are leading to the downfall of the West. Me me me.
It’s amazing how they dance around the idea that boys and girls are different.
"Children should always have their gender identity confirmed."
i consider myself pretty pro-trans but the answer to this is obviously Holy Shit No
I love how when asked a question they all look around at each other to see who can be wrong the first which is then followed by stutter and mumbling gibberish.
I'm of the opinion is you raise your children by making sure they are aware they are the sex and gender they are born with, but allow them to do things that aren't stereotypical to that gender. If your boy wants to play with a doll when he's 4 or a girl wants to do some boy things, that's fine. Just because they aren't doing stereotypical things that doesn't mean they still aren't the gender they're born as. Maybe I think this way as I grew up without any confusion and my family was never super strict on gender stereotypes when I was a kid. My mother was a tomboy, I was allowed to play with some girl things as a boy like I had a couple of My Little Pony toys in the 80s. Half the confusion I have to wonder is this stupid opinion is letting the kid pick what they feel like. No your job as a parent is to make them aware they are the sex and gender they was born as.
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I believe that when boys are raised to be men, they make better men, when girls are raised to be women, they make better women. Because men and women are vastly different and have different roles in society.
You have nailed, "how to have impossible conversations". Love the method and love the videos.
My friend's daughter played with the shark. It was her doll. She is perfectly 'normal'
People that think 5 year olds can make that kind of decision are screwed in the head.
Self identity has totally confused people about the actual social issues they'e attempting to discuss...i think that maybe the point. It's like throwing a wrench into the logical deconstructing of these things.
3:46 the woman mentions non-binary and Pete just dies inside 😂
Love your work, but that killed me lmao
When I was as young as 4 I knew that there were two sexes, man and woman, and that I would grow up to be a man. Never deviated from this even slightly.
Did I not read in psychology in the 1980s on early childhood development where some children can be wrecked by discovering that their parts are not like those of opposite sex playmates? And that this can cause some confusion and upset, where one of the children can see their parts as being the 'wrong' type respective to the other? And that some parents have to gently guide them through this little phase of confusion, have several discussions with them about how boys and girls are different? What happened to this knowledge is it not being taught to anyone in the past 20 years? MY GOD
You can hear the fear in ALL these peoples voices.
Nope....They can't...Other wise it's abuse.
Literally can't understand this. Are you saying if a kid says they feel like they are the opposite gender, it must mean they're being abused, by their parents presumably?
It's abuse to allow the child to live in a false reality. If a child thinks they are a lion, no adult should say "YES honey you are a lion." When they clearly aren't. You are feeding that child into living in delusion. I hope this was more clear for you to understand.
@@OhYeah3D when I was a kid, me and my friends would pretend to be creatures, characters, etc all the time. Our parents just let us play and even went along with it.
My cousin is a boy but likes nail polish, makeup, dresses, etc, his mom just lets him wear whatever.
Edit: obviously we didn't really think we were animals. I don't know any kid who thinks they're seriously an animal.
@@commandershepard9920Fighting reality will always result in negative consequences because reality always wins.
The answers of these people are guarded. They are making sure that they don’t say the wrong thing.
**Should the parent, teacher, counsellor or medical professional be held personally responsible and liable for affirming, convincing and or facilitating a child, a minor under the age of 18 years old, to medically castrate and or sterilize themselves with puberty blockers, taking testosterone and or coercing them into having medical interventions that permanently alter their bodies to the point of never being able to have children or feel sexual pleasure if….when they become young adults they change their minds and feel violated and abused as a minor???
I say yes…if the adults allow minors to do irreversible harm to themselves while in their care, if the person changes their mind as a young adult….the groomers and child abuse should know that they will be held accountable. I’d bet the they wouldn’t be pushing this ideology so much if they thought that they had to pay for their crimes on children so quickly now would they.
This is going to be embarrassing. I hope in the future this can be done in the hoods and not only in the safe places
I'm amazed that you can keep a straight face (no pun intended) while hearing their answers. That seems like a very difficult task.
These people are the evidence for how easy it is so manipulate people just by emotional arguments. It's sad but at the same time it's an interesting psychological experiment.
A child at 5 can consent to genital surgery? That’s WILD! 😢😢😢
lol I didn’t know shit when I was 5-7 years old. None of these kids would even know there is any difference, without people telling them about the differences. So how can they possibly decide they are something else; when they only know about that something else; due to outside forces
Most important topic of the era. Please do more. Thanks for doing this
It's mad how "What is sex" is such a 'tough' question these days to some
I wonder why some ppls thought train often stops at "societal expectations regarding gender roles"... as if some people one day sat together in a room and discussed about how to create gender roles and then force them on everybody... as if that was a concious thing.. nobodys asks the next question, e.g. if or how certain habits and preferences might have developed during evolution. that was Peter's excellent question about the second best reason.
So a 7 year old can make life changing decisions...... Hmmmmmmmmmmmm What could possibly go wrong?
That woman is so proud she gave her son a doll.
Kindergarten kids barely know not to sh*t their pants!
...and I not knowing were the SMELL IS COMING FROM...
Puertorrican here. I wish there had been more native people in this discussion than just tourists.
I explored the trans model as a potential explanation for some of my own issues a decade or so ago, and one of my first clues it was bogus was some research that showed that children have already learned what is expected of them because of their gender before they can talk (and tell their parents they feel a mismatch). Do the math...
It’s amazing how little they question the “new” ideas.
I would love to do this show!
I'm so sick of hearing how society pushes certain ideas and roles etc onto people.
To me, this totally denies history. It ignores the fact that what is accepted by society is because precedence has determined this.
Over the generations people observed that boys prefer to play one way in girls prefer to play another.
People have observed differences between boys behaviors and girls behaviors as a result we just take it for granted that that is the norm.
One thing I do agree with the change from the '70s I believe it was when gender studies came around..... That it's okay not to force gender rules or stereotypes onto little kids to be or to fit into a norm.
But as is the case with all rules there are always going to be exceptions.
I really like what Matt Walsh did when he asked a simple question what is a woman?
Because if you are biologically born a male. The world's perception of you is a little baby, is that of a male.
Everyone in your life up until a certain point will you started questioning, you have always been treated as a stereotypical male.
Sure you may have started to develop less than stereotypical proclivities. but why isn't that just an individual preference?
My point being up until whenever you decided that you preferred something different, your whole life experience has been that of a male.
So what exactly are you identifying as?
How can you claim to know what a woman feels, what a woman is, to be a woman trapped in a man's body? If that's not what you are biologically and that's not what you ever experienced?
Your desire, your feelings, to present yourself, to play with different toys, to do different things, to dress differently, to look differently or preferences no different than liking chocolate ice cream over strawberry ice cream No different than preferring baseball over football.
These things do not make you a man or a woman, These are simply individual preferences that have nothing to do with your sex/gender.
And I think what Matt Walsh did was make it very clear when he asked what is a woman and no one could say.
How can you identify with something you can't name You can't describe You have no terminology you have no word for and yet you want us to believe that's what you are?
These people are a walking contradiction. The idea of transgenderism insinuates gender differences in itself. Otherwise, they’d feel no need to call themselves a transgender woman or man.. 🤦🏻♂️ When I take my little girl to the you aisle, I don’t push her to the “girl” section, she gravitates towards it based on her own human nature.
The baby chasing the pigeon during this very intense conversation was so cute.
I really wish he went to a town in PR and not this vacation spot filled w Americans.
If there was 100 two year olds, dressed in black, with shaved heads, I bet I could tell their sex with 85% accuracy.
Girld play more with dolls cause its in their DNA to raise children.