Do Transwomen Pose a THREAT to Women’s Sports?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2024
- In the first part of this conversation, Peter Boghossian presents two students at the University of Central Florida with three claims: “There are only two genders,” “There are only two sexes,” and “It’s possible to change sex.” They discuss reproductive organs, genetics, the difference between sex and gender, and potential consequences of expressing opinions on the topic.
In the second part, a third student joins the group to consider the claim, “Trans women should be allowed in women’s sports.” The new participant argues that male and female skeletons are generally indistinguishable and that swimmer Lia Thomas proves that trans women are not a threat to biological women in sports. See the links below to learn facts about the topics discussed.
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09:19 - It's possible to change sex
13:45 - Trans women are women
14:21 - Trans women should be allowed in women's sports
26:35 - Men are better at sports than women
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Mr. Boghossian why dont you inform the actual facts to the participants after the discussion, wouldn't it add an interesting layer to see the reaction of them to the actual facts?
Th clown is even wearing dungarees! Brilliant 🤣🤣
Who’s gonna tell these students that the match already happened and the high school boys decimated the female team?
@@MusicalMemeology if it was melbourne im legit scared
The young woman gives me hope that not all are brainwashed.
Scientifically based, objective woman and feelings based, effeminate man. Women becoming more masculine and men becoming feminine.
Is it just me or did she seem stoned out of her mind? 😂
Agreed. God bless her. There are still young people that acknowledge reality.
I like how confidently she walked STRAIGHT to "strongly agree". And then said "I don't see ANY difference between sex and gender", without skipping a beat.
(Personally, I'd prefer if she said "gender, independent from sex, doesn't exist. It's a fiction". But she was close enough)
I think the problem is too many don't voice their opinion because of fear of social repercussions.
Can't differentiate between skeletons? Seriously? He can't possibly be this deluded.
I wanted to school that dude so bad. The hips, the ribcage, the proportionate length of feet and arms, the bone density, shoulder girth... men are just built for one thing and women for another.
Agreed! I remember taking an anthropology class back in college and granted it was a lower division entry-level class, but just in the pelvis bone alone, there was four or five differences between males and females
Right!? Total bullshit.
He clearly hasn’t done any biology courses.
@@kcc-karenschroniccorner9432
sex:
the state of being either male or female in most species of metazoans. In humans, each cell nucleus contains 23 pairs of chromosomes, a total of 46 chromosomes. The first 22 pairs are called autosomes. Autosomes are homologous chromosomes, that is, chromosomes that contain the same genes (regions of DNA) in the same order along their chromosomal arms. The 23rd pair of chromosomes are called allosomes (sex chromosomes). These consist of two X chromosomes in most all females, and an X chromosome and a Y chromosome in most all males. Females, therefore, have 23 homologous chromosome pairs, while males have 22. The X and Y chromosomes have small regions of homology called pseudoautosomal regions. The X chromosome is always present as the 23rd chromosome in the ovum, while either an X or Y chromosome may be present in an individual spermatozoon cell gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either (anatomical) hermaphrodites or of indeterminate sex (or to be more accurate, disordered sex). That does not negate the incontrovertible FACT that there are but two sexes/genders. In order for reproduction to take place, there is the requirement of a female ovum and a male sperm to unite, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division of most species of animals is to enable procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the individual in question. There is no third gamete. Cf. “gender”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
If the reader is curious to know the reason for this term being included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because, in recent times, LEFTISTS have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the words “sex” and “gender”, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, immoral ideologies, especially by promoting the nonsensical idea that a person is able to transition from one gender to the other.
gender:
the state of being either male or female, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete. An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders. As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
In those rare cases in which a human is born without gonads, the other characteristics of sex/gender would be taken into consideration - firstly, the allosomes (sex chromosomes) found in the DNA of every cell, and then, any extant genitalia, since even those females who have experienced the misfortune of being born without ovaries, for instance, usually have their remaining sex organs intact).
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema.
If the reader is curious to know why this term is included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because leftists have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the word in recent times, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, sinful, objectively-immoral ideologies.
Until relatively recently, the word “gender” has ALWAYS been used in the etymologically-accurate sense of the term, and even in the former case, predominantly where leftist ideologues comprise a significant proportion of the population. See also “leftism”.
If you are truly wise and intelligent, you would surely have recognized several amazing secrets contained within the body of this treatise, “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”. However, perhaps the most secretive secret, shall forthwith be revealed:
It is IMPOSSIBLE for a human being to change his or her sex/gender! (You are implored to keep this secret - do not tell a soul!!!)
For example, a man who castrates himself and wears a skirt or a dress is simply a mutilated, transvestinal male - not a woman or a female. Similarly, a woman who attaches an appendage resembling a phallus to her crotch and dons a pair of pantaloons, is merely a transvestinal woman with a fake penis between her thighs, and not a man, nor a male, in any accurate sense of the terms.
Actually, I would contend that any “man” who excises his reproductive organs was ALWAYS a dickless “man”, metaphorically speaking. 🤪
It was disheartening to witness the situation unfold. Initially, when only the first man and woman were engaged in the conversation, their authenticity was evident. However, as soon as the other person joined the discussion, both individuals seemed to withdraw. It appeared that they lacked confidence in their knowledge on the topic and hesitated to challenge the newcomer or potentially upset him.
Or because they know the idiot with the overalls would put them on blast in the University and would work to get them both kicked out for being transphobic. Most people don't agree with the idiocy of the left but they are so scared of the social media mob ruining their lives they clam the fuck up around clear leftists.
I agree. Once the male feminist arrived, you can tell they really didn’t want to engage nearly as much. I don’t blame them. That guy would’ve probably tried to get them cancelled.
Just like a flat earther that has watched 1000 hours on the topic that vomits 3 theories a minute.
It takes very few words to say something stupid, and way more words and sometimes scientific knowledge to refute it.
The political extremes are very good at this practice.
I mean yeah. But the green shirt guy duped himself by saying that forcing trans into woman’s sports was misogynistic and then he noticed what he just said and tried to intertwine it with transphobia.
Green shirt gave some good arguments, to my mind, for the opposing position 😅
I'm from the '93 high school graduating class and my senior year we had a girl make the boy's varsity soccer team. Now, that being said , the only reason why she got the position was because the school didn't want to deal with a lawsuit. She suited up and every game she played in she didn't contribute one thing to the game. She was running in circles just trying to keep up with us. She was bumped off the ball every time she received the ball from a pass, missed every header she went up for and just couldn't handle the speed and physical game we played. She was a great person but didn't belong on the field with testosterone filled young men.
😂 Nothing against female soccer players, but anyone with eyes can see avg males are heads and shoulders above good female soccer players. Speed and strength are huge factors, hence the U15 boys team that beat the USWNT 5-2.
@1776_reasons I wish that had been brought up on the "would you bet" question
She was probably shit because she felt intimidated, marginalised and shamed into not performing as well as she, and all her friends, know she could. You horrible misogynistic scumbag
Peter’s internally laughing at the last questions cause a high school guys soccer team absolutely beat a professional women’s soccer team. Not college, professional.
Happened several times. In 2016 it was the women's Australia's national squad, which is amongst the world's top squads (#5 at the time) and comprised of the best players from professional squads. The boys' squad was under 15 years of age. The women lost 7-0.
In 2017 an under-15 boys' squad from Dallas defeated the US women's national squad, the world's best, 5-2.
The performance gap between a 14-year-old male and an 18-year-old male is the difference of an adolescent boy to a man - the speed and strength of the two are immensely different.
The USWNT lost 5-2 to u15 squad
@@gagamba9198 I knew it was worse than I thought. I wonder if they just stopped playing high school boys at some point to avoid embarrassment
@@TravisShonB I almost said in my original comment that it was the women’s national team, but wasn’t sure. That’s crazy
It would have been incredible if he had responded with one of those cases and shut up the one who thought he knew everything. But Peter doesn't do that, he leads the dialogue and never corrects and that helps them to have a calmer conversation.
That woman really has it going on to have those values and beliefs in such a woke enviroment. She thinks for herself.
Agreed
If she was on a Cali campus, she'd be at risk of assault.
She has the guts to say the word gender has been hijacked.
UCF and Orlando are not very woke Not conservative. Just not woke.
You can tell by her body language she was slightly uncomfortable even more so when the new guy entered she is thinking I could get a backlash from her woke teacher and get a bad grade I bet this was going through her mind so she was brave however its become ironic that its considered brave into todays climate for simply telling the truth.
28:50 Storytime: I'm a man who was never really gifted at sports. One summer I joined an intramural co-ed league for fun. In one of our first games there was a girl (in her prime, whereas I was far from it) who clearly was much better than I was; it was humbling, but she admitted to having played soccer for years, and been playing league games for some years too. By the time we reached finals, a month and a half later, I was already out playing her.
Now I don't say this to brag. I was taller and stronger than her to begin with, but lacked the other skills of the game. The slight gain of skill was boosted by those other attributes.
It was a testament to me at the kind of physical advantages men have over women. Women's greatest strengths tend to not be physical, and shouldn't be disparaged.
Do you know that Australia Women Soccer National team (ranked in top 10 across women) lost 7 0 to a local under 15 year old high school boy team? So you can imagine how big is the gap in soccer.
I’m athletic. But only picked up soccer In my 20s. Played coed with some friends, the girls were former National soccer players. Played for team Canada. Once I was able to control the ball a little bit, I could run laps around them. I would actually have to restrain myself when playing against other women to avoid causing injury. If you’ve ever played sports and play vs women who have played and even have much more experience it becomes obvious how much of an advantage there is between men and women. Our lungs, muscle density, bone structure even our brains are wired better for competition. I respect them, but we’re too different to compete against eachother fairly.
This is what overalls was missing. He said if he played basketball against someone who had trained for it he would lose, so obviously not all men are better than all women. But that's bad logic. The circumstances are not equal. Trained woman athlete vs untrained man nerd is not a fair comparison.
Thats what a real woman is. It isn’t as hopeless as media presents it.
Thank you for treating each other with respect!
"Trans Women Pose NO THREAT to Women’s Sports" The most ridiculous statement in human history.
Same thing as saying allowing men to compete with women poses not threat to women's sports.
other than stopping women from getting limited scholar ships and chances at olympics it hurts nothing what a dumbass
Man being allowed to play women’s sports is very detrimental they are stronger it’s a fact. People lied to you.
My god. The dude about Lea Thomas was ridiculous
@@ww5511 did I hurt your feelings.?
The skeleton argument is poor. You get tall men and tall women, and short men and short women. Female skeletons generally have a wider pelvic carriage, and the femur bone turns more inwards towards the centre of gravity because of the wider hips. There are clear skeletal differences. Also, once you've been through puberty, the hormones do make a difference, even if you take female hormone afterwards. He's not "well versed" at all. Having men pretend to be women and compete in female sports claiming to be women is wrong. In fact it's sick and should not be allowed.
The easiest argument to make us "Would you be perfect fine with someone who is 15% Black and 85% Caucasian applying for grants the are dedicated towards Black youth?"
They'll say no, and then you can ask them what's the difference lol
What do the skeletons of Doofuses look like
@@karenwiz259 I am sure this guy must think he has child bearing hips. He said if he was 5'7' he would at least..
Female skeletons don’t generally have a wider pelvic carriage; I think it’s more accurate to say that women have a wider pelvic region period. The female always bears the children, never the male.
Evil is evil. It will always justify itself. These are not "T"s
They're p3d0s
These videos have taught me that most people have not thought through their strongly held beliefs and can’t coherently answer why they hold those beliefs.
Exercises like this will hopefully make people think a bit more about their opinions.
It is sad that I even have to say this, but kudos to these two young people for standing up for sanity in a time where they may very well be "cancelled" for it.
Listening to Overalls say the word “facts” with confidence when he has no idea what he’s talking about is comical 🍿
And he repeated the word several times to convince himself (and the audience) that they actually are (while clearly they are not)...but I guess this tactics works on fools... :DDD
Yes! And this is why it is so hard to have these discussions. When he is able with a straight fface to claim that men not being allowed into women's sports is misogyny and transphobia, it is hard to not want to just turn and walk away from such idiocy. His 'facts' were all easily researchable to find they are patently wrong. If I here that Michael Phelps trope one more time I'm going to.....write a strong letter to someone. I don't know what the defense is against that much arrogance and privilege.🙄
The guy in the overalls is woke personified. He arrogantly claimed the facts were on his side when he didn't present 1 single fact to support his absurd position that men are women and vice versa. If the 3 of them were to drop dead on the spot and 500 years later were dug up when only their skeletons remained, it could be unequivocally determined who was female and who was male.
He starts off with a fallacy. You CANT transition. You can make an effort to look like the other size and create fake organs, but in the end, you cannot become the other sex and therefore must ask, or demand, society simply accepts what you identify is true (pretend). Biological advantages remain after transition.
You can tell by the pelvis it's very distinctly different in a women for childbearing
sex:
the state of being either male or female in most species of metazoans. In humans, each cell nucleus contains 23 pairs of chromosomes, a total of 46 chromosomes. The first 22 pairs are called autosomes. Autosomes are homologous chromosomes, that is, chromosomes that contain the same genes (regions of DNA) in the same order along their chromosomal arms. The 23rd pair of chromosomes are called allosomes (sex chromosomes). These consist of two X chromosomes in most all females, and an X chromosome and a Y chromosome in most all males. Females, therefore, have 23 homologous chromosome pairs, while males have 22. The X and Y chromosomes have small regions of homology called pseudoautosomal regions. The X chromosome is always present as the 23rd chromosome in the ovum, while either an X or Y chromosome may be present in an individual spermatozoon cell gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either (anatomical) hermaphrodites or of indeterminate sex (or to be more accurate, disordered sex). That does not negate the incontrovertible FACT that there are but two sexes/genders. In order for reproduction to take place, there is the requirement of a female ovum and a male sperm to unite, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division of most species of animals is to enable procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the individual in question. There is no third gamete. Cf. “gender”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
If the reader is curious to know the reason for this term being included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because, in recent times, LEFTISTS have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the words “sex” and “gender”, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, immoral ideologies, especially by promoting the nonsensical idea that a person is able to transition from one gender to the other.
gender:
the state of being either male or female, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete. An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders. As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
In those rare cases in which a human is born without gonads, the other characteristics of sex/gender would be taken into consideration - firstly, the allosomes (sex chromosomes) found in the DNA of every cell, and then, any extant genitalia, since even those females who have experienced the misfortune of being born without ovaries, for instance, usually have their remaining sex organs intact).
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema.
If the reader is curious to know why this term is included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because leftists have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the word in recent times, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, sinful, objectively-immoral ideologies.
Until relatively recently, the word “gender” has ALWAYS been used in the etymologically-accurate sense of the term, and even in the former case, predominantly where leftist ideologues comprise a significant proportion of the population. See also “leftism”.
If you are truly wise and intelligent, you would surely have recognized several amazing secrets contained within the body of this treatise, “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”. However, perhaps the most secretive secret, shall forthwith be revealed:
It is IMPOSSIBLE for a human being to change his or her sex/gender! (You are implored to keep this secret - do not tell a soul!!!)
For example, a man who castrates himself and wears a skirt or a dress is simply a mutilated, transvestinal male - not a woman or a female. Similarly, a woman who attaches an appendage resembling a phallus to her crotch and dons a pair of pantaloons, is merely a transvestinal woman with a fake penis between her thighs, and not a man, nor a male, in any accurate sense of the terms.
Actually, I would contend that any “man” who excises his reproductive organs was ALWAYS a dickless “man”, metaphorically speaking. 🤪
The simple fact, that not one single TRANS-man is beating any male record is proof enough that he is wrong.
The fact that TRANS-WOMAN represent barely a promille of the female popuation but are already competing with the best females says it all.
@@thomasprogli3372
Do you use any of the following (somewhat euphemistic) terms?
• gay
• homophobia/homophobe
• transphobia/transphobe
• trans-sexual
• transgender
• cis gender
• sex worker
• capitalism/capitalist
• any gender-specific pronoun other than he/she, him/her or his/her
Then CONGRATULATIONS - you are (either knowingly or unwittingly) a silly shill for the loony left!
Fantastic comedy moment @14:30 when the tash and dungarees appeared from the back. Brilliant editing. You just knew what was coming with the "I'm pretty well versed on the topic" from seconds before. A know it all who knows nothing. Hilarious!
That nice beautiful female is great. So glad that you got her to participate. Actually both of these students were a pleasure to hear from. Thanks Peter. Just noticed your Acadia shirt. You should come to Maine and do these questions at all our colleges. I'd like to know how different the tech schools would be compared to the University .
i’m just glad they were able to have this conversation without somebody screaming or cussing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Or getting the others Twitter shut down 😉
move it to a different state and that would likely change
Me too!
@Peter Boghossian the one guy seemed nice. Do you think it would change if 1 professor "expert", that he considers, gives him that definition and throws in the random nu-fact that tranzit dethz happen at 75 an hour (every 45 seconds) from Sue Aside if you don't agree before the message self-destructs?
I find it strange that people can have critical thought roadblocked with Generic Catchphrases they then constantly affirm louder and louder.
A strange faith. Like a priest in prayer trying to remove demons, but their actual intent seems to be closer to a seance.
The point they miss is that we don't give a shit about their gender. Normal people use sex and gender interchangeably. If you want to separate sex and gender, that's fine, but we can't order society around your subjective feelings. We will continue to order society around sex, and your gender is irrelevant. The problem is that they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to separate out sex and gender, but then use their gender as their sex to be used on driver's licenses, and for sports, etc. Easiest way to defeat this is to just tell them, okay, sex and gender are different. We don't care about your gender, and we are simply going to order things based on your sex, which as you have said is different than your sex. Watch them flip out, because they know its the same things. They are practicing sophistry.
I'm not sure that's true. When we refer to someone with pronouns, 99% of the time we are basing that on their gender, not their sex. We don't know people's chromosomes, nor do we ask to pull down their pants so show us what sort of genitals they have (which would still not necessarily be 100% accurate). In a medical or sports context it's different, of course, as their sex needs to be known for that. But unless you're a doctor it doesn't really apply to you.
In our day-to-day lives we have always made assumptions from outward characteristics: face, voice, build, hair, etc. Usually this gives us an obvious answer. Sometimes it's difficult to say. Sometimes our obvious answer for their gender is actually not what their sex is at all. And in the future as transitioning methods improve, there may come a point where pretty much everyone 'passes' as their desired gender. You say you don't give a shit about gender, but I think in the vision of the future that I've just described, many conservatives would still have a problem with people being transgender.
@@thegrinderman1090 I don't think we're basing the pronouns we use on other's gender unless we're just being polite. We base them on what we *think* their sex is. If I do otherwise, it's a lie. A lie I'm willing to perform to not get into an argument with someone. When they're not around and I know I'm not going to be judged about it, I will often use the pronoun that reflects reality rather than the person's feelings (e.g., when discussing Bruce/Caityln Jenner).
Very well said.
@@thegrinderman1090 Although I am still on the side that says trans women should not compete in sports, you make a very good case for your position.
@@thegrinderman1090 you lost me with your second paragraph. Transgender people wanting to ‘pass’ as their desired gender by changing physical characteristics proves the OP’s point, no?
If gender is neurological then why would you need to change your physical/sexual characteristics to align with the opposite sex
Excellent method for getting people to engage in a conversation. Tip of the hat to Mr. B.
I’ve watched this episode a few times. It is great, and it gives me hope.
As soon as the new guy said he was 'well versed in the subject' we all knew the propaganda was coming
"I'm just here to EDUCATE y'all folx!!"
(Immediately says the most objectively, demonstrably false, rctarded nonsense imaginable.
Objecting to a man using innate physiological advantage to go from 700th best male, to 6th best """woman""" athlete, is "OBVIOUSLY misogynist"?!? This guy deserves a gold medal in mental gymnastics)
I hope he leaves this awesome state
''I've been on Twitter for most of my adult life''
@@deeky1239 It’s terrifying he said that as a qualification. It’s like saying “I’m really good with money, I’ve been gambling my whole life”.
@@snorgonofborkkad He didn't say that but the translation of it is what I said.
You can tell the difference between male and female skeletons, almost at a glance, more than 95% of the time, even if they are the same overall height.
The female pelvis is structurally different, to allow a baby through it. This means even the angles of the hips and femur are different between the sexes.
Second to the pelvis, the skull is the most sexually dimorphic area of the skeleton. There are too many sexually dimorphic skeletal features to even list here.
The Dunning-Kruger effect should probably be redefined as a medical syndrome and included in the DSM, because the level of anosognosia here is pathological.
This idea that most women can compete with most men physically or are similar physically in strength say, is ridiculous. However, I just thought I'd say, from what I've seen in docos, it is rather hard to tell skeletons apart by sex (apart from height giving you a clue), even by looking at the pelvis. And also interestingly recently the Dunning-Kruger effect has been apparently proven to be bad science based on its own data - apparently their statistical analysis was wrong, and that in fact with more correct analysis, most people whether performing well or badly have a similar idea of the ratio they fall in.
Plus the jaw is worn down from the yakking
Gonna lock them up too, eh.
@@RossTheNinja Is that why females have a softer jawline; I have to remember that one. The first time I've laughed all day.
@@patrickpaganini does what you've seen in "docos" outweigh my 20 years' experience as an anatomist and forensic anthropologist?
Nice to see a civilised thought provoking Q&A, without ranker or name calling, really good chat 👍
This is an AMAZING concept.... allow people to just talk .... just ask opinions and questions.... Like my dad used to say, “Everyone is allowed to have the wrong opinion”
It's misogynistic to criticize a man who claims to be a woman ... my brain hurts .....
Lol facts
Welcome to the insane asylum. Where the lunatics make the rules and the warden is just watching because he's afraid to get cancelled.
if he truly believes that the man is now a woman, then I suppose he is correct in a way 🤣🤣
If you believe that trans women are women, then it makes sense people would see it that way. Because then one could argue that you’re criticizing that woman just because she’s a woman. The logical inconsistency comes in when you realize people making those criticisms actually don’t see a trans woman as a woman in the first place, so it actually can’t be misogyny 😂
yeah the boy with the glasses has never actually played sports and he is definitely a virgin LOL
I've been a nurse for 30+ years. Six years ago, I earned my doctorate degree as a nurse practitioner. I spent an enormous amount of time understanding the differences between males & females and gender-specific conditions.
I guess I should ask for my money back? 🤔
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Could you explain some of those differences, whether it be physically or mentally/emotionally? I just want to hear it from someone’s perspective that’s in the field you are in, if you don’t mind.
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That would make for some interesting litigation; you have my support ✊😁
I'm still waiting for the scene in the crime drama where they are looking for a female victim. They find a decomposed body and after the medical examiner looks at it, she says it appears to be a female based on bones, etc. But then the woke investigator says, "Well, that can't be the victim, because their friends say they identified as a man!"
"People only care about women's sports when a totally unprecedented thing is happening to them. How odd."
thank you for doing this work and challenging the nonsense that gets spouted before it spreads all over the world
This was painful. I wish he would have asked “What top sports record is held by a woman?”
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@@dynamicduo222 Operation what??? 🤔 That sounds like something that is extremely dangerous to our democracy.
Gymnastics is probably a good bet.
@@takeingforever Not really because Men’s and Women’s gymnastics are basically different sports with some hand holding and cuddling. In the events that crossover like the vault you’re not going to find women beating men.
@@takeingforever Rhythmic, yes for sure (I don't even think men's rhythmic exists, at least not at the Olympic level) artistic (which vault and floor are the only two events in common), no.
Open, calm, and rational discussion is so satisfying to see. Every person that participated in this video should be commended, even the gentleman i disagree with!
I wish I had you as a professor, and I've had several great professors. What a great way to get students to think!
He uses the Socratic method.
I looked up Katie Ledecky. She is an amazing athlete. She holds world records in womens times. Her 800m Freestyle WR time is 8:04.79. That was after beating her own record of 8:13.86
But that record of 8:04.79 was beaten by Stephen Holland in 1976 Austrailian Olympic Trials with 8:02.91 and 12 more times up until Zhang Lin in 2009 with the current mens record of 7:38.12
The point is, without the mens and womens divisions in sport, great women like Katie Ledecky wouldn't get the recognition they deserve and when looking at stats, men's averages in a given event hover around womens olympic level times and sometimes even exceed world record times.
Katie Ledecky shouldn't be expected to compete in a men's or coed division any more than men should be allowed to compete in the womens division regardless of how the man has altered himself.
That dude thinks there's no visible difference between the average male skeleton and the average female skeleton. I think it's safe to say his opinions may not be based in facts.
A good point is that the mens division isn't excluding anyone. If trans-women really want to compete the mens division is more accurately a open division. But I guess that defeats the point in many cases.
@@drawntowardmadnessobviously he doesn't watch archeological videos.
Venus and Serena put out a challenge for any man rated past 200 in the world to play them. The man who was rated at 230 beat them handily without even trying. He did no extra training and went down drinking the night before. Both Venus and Serena admitted afterward that there's no way women and men can compete. Athletic women will always lose athletic men. You want to reinforce that some more High School male records always I repeat always beat female gold medal records. There is no competition. Allowing trans women to compete is an attack on women's rights.
@@drawntowardmadness The average male ribcage has 10% more volume than a woman's. I'm considered and known to be quite liberal in my cultural and political leanings. However, this gender discussion is utterly ridiculous.
Beyond the grammatical world, there are: 2 sexes,
0 genders, and an infinite number of personalities ...
@@undocked22 table, gender is female
Car, gender is male.
@@undocked22 That's simply a grammatical distinction, as I mentioned in my comment. Until recently, the only time gender was applied outside grammatical considerations was as a euphemism for the word "sex".
@@undocked22 I think the op is talking about the new meaning of gender which is stripped of sex and short for gender roles. That mess they call gender now with infinite options to pick from doesn't exist because outside of biology it literally can't.
@Dani Hunter I assure you we use male terms as well.. he is a bad boy.. he will knock your dick off. He is a bad ass.. it goes both ways.. real men put women on pedestals, so it's actually a complement when they refer to things in the female.. think about it.. they call their 1,000hp cars a female name.. why?? Because real men respect women and put them above most everything else..
@Dani Hunter that's English. Grammatically, as I stated, in Latin based languages, there are 3 genders for all things. Masculine, feminine and neutral. It's in every grammar book out there. Also the case in Hindi, Slavic languages and Arabic. Calling a car she, is an act of anthropomorphism. Grammatically, a car is neutral in english.
Once the phrase " there a lot of nuances" enters the discussion run.... It goes down hill from there... That was a great video... Much appreciation, thanks.
These videos are fantastic. This one was a bit less entertaining because there wasn't as much disagreement. But I applaud you having these tough conversations in the open. It's also highly entertaining watching peoples arguments fall apart.
Lia Thomas stunk as a male swimmer, but WON the women's division. That tells you all you need to know.
From barely being a collegiate athlete to top 10 by simply saying hes a "woman" now. But yeah, he definitely doesn't have an advantage. What would wake these idiots up is if the #1 college male swimmer decided to transition and went in there and won every medal, including the relays solo.
It’s almost as if each sex’s made up sports that displayed their strong points
It’s as if people have forgotten that many animals have mating rituals
And competitions against each other to attract a mate
In canada there is a transwoman who hold 9 womens weightlifting records, one of them by over 200kg.
TIED. Riley Gaines was the top NCAA women’s champion. This is the reason women’s sport need integrity protection. Everyone forgets about the woman beat out by someone changing their gender.
@@BrunoRocket I'll concede your "TIED" comment if you can tell me who stood on the podium and hoisted the TROPHY.
Our children are between the ages of 15 and 20. We've lived in cities and rural. They have friends from both environments. The conversations we have with them let me know that there are waaaaay more youth that think and speak out like this young lady. We're just always being shown the loudest voices.
My sister is 16 and doesn't believe any of this. None of her friends do either. Gen Z aren't all hopeless.
Conservative is the new “punk rock”. When adults are dying their hair to crayola colors and the government pushes certain agendas, youth will typically rebel in the other direction.
There are zero women who believe they are men who are excelling in men's sports. Not one. Women cannot compete with men in any physical sport and win. Men are stronger. Even this weak skinny man could beat a woman in many different sports. This guy is in left field striking out.
You're EXACTLY right. 👍🏼 That's SO great to hear. 😊 MSM & social media push an agenda, NON- STOP. MOST people don't believe the nonsense they spew. 🤥 They highlight the few crazies they find in a desperate attempt to make us believe WE are the crazy ones & the minority. 🙃 I have 2 nieces in their mid-20s who both survived college & graduate school unscathed. 👭🏼💗 Great parenting, a well-rounded upbringing & their faith in the good Lord has guided them thru the challenging times. Your children's response to what's going on in this crazy, upside down world should make y'all VERY proud. 👨👩👧👦🙏🏼💞 As our elders say, you done good. 😂🙌🏼❤
That is good to know.
Fantastic, on par with your Australian `Conversation` Gives American Universities hope after the farce of PSU
This is the most mature argument about this topic iv heard in a long time. No yelling no screaming, showing respect to each other, both are able to say I don't know. More logic out of these 2 students than many of the so called experts. Not sure about the dude with moustache. He is completely wrong about skeletons, "Within the same population, males tend to have larger, more robust bones and joint surfaces, and more bone development at muscle attachment sites. However, the pelvis is the best sex-related skeletal indicator, because of distinct features adapted for childbearing." (SMITHSONIAN Museum of Natural History). There is hope for the future! Peter is such an amazing teacher. He asks questions with genuine interest, is able to control the discussion without creating barriers, and is so good at facilitating constructive discussions.
Lady here may be my favorite that ive seen on these. Sticks to her beliefs instead of entertaining the idea her opinions may be unpopular
Do you understand the distinction between a woman and a LADY?
It seems not...
How is sticking to beliefs something to be praised? Is it just because you agree with her? I personally do agree with her, but I like the first guy, because he genuinely shows his mind can be changed and he's aware of his confirmation bias, he faces his cognitive dissonance head on rather than letting it make him feel better about sticking to his opinion.
And she is thoughtful, measured and tempered as well as soft and gentle. Steel Magnolia.
@@cicolas_nage How does one negate the other? You can stick to your belief because there are currently no known good opposing arguments, and you can STILL be willing to admit you're wrong if such evidence presents itself. But in many cases, such evidence just doesn't exist. Some beliefs really SHOULD be strongly believed: like the biological difference between men and women, especially in average strength.
I wonder where her parents are from, something tells from some despotic communist sh*t hole that ran a version of the Stalin and Mao playbook.....
Don't you love it when someone pops up and says "I'm actually really well reversed in this topic" and then just spills a load of absolute nonsense. You can see them coming every time lol
Interesting how he completely ignores the fact that Lea Thomas completely obliterated all the women he was swimming against
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That guy told a complete misinformation, Lea Thomas times before transition were only 2% better than after, and the average difference between male/female swimmer is around 10% so Lea Thomas cheated by at least 8%
The second I heard him tell us how "well versed" he is I figured he'd be a ridiculous Leftist.
Riley Gaines actually tied Lia, but was not allowed to accept her trophy and was told Lia had to win.
I thought everyone was an individual and should be judged that way. This young man has taught me to group people together and judge the group by one individual. So insightful?
You know it’s bad when it gets rare to see a civil conversation about this topic not turn into a shouting, disrespectful, and emotional verbal fight
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This is not true. I'm not even an expert but I am confident I can tell the difference if I have a whole pelvis to examine. The opening at the bottom is a large oval for women, but a small triangle for men; the hips also flare outwards on a female skeleton.
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Peter would've just won 3 bets here. These people don't know what I (we) know.
Guys completely brain dead
remember, he was well versed in these issues so of course you must be wrong.
Nearly everything he said was a lie, he has been thoroughly indoctrinated. I wonder what his major is in?
I know right? I want to put real money up with these people.
These videos are by far the best demonstration of the Socratic method that I've ever seen. Well done, Peter.
I like seeing these discussions because they encourage actual thought and conversation and exchange without trying to impose a right or wrong answer, but they also leave me very frustrated and dissatisfied because in the end there’s no actual resolution or clarification and actual facts provided that counter many of the supposed “facts” and beliefs or claims, which is also REALLY important because we’re talking about the rights and lives of women and girls. Conversation and speculation for the sake of it alone isn’t good enough in these cases.
It’s crazy how the skinny overalls guy had all those “facts” 😂
Almost everything he said was the exact opposite of the truth.
It blows my mind that people can go thru life living in some sort of upside-down world. I guess it just goes to show how strong the indoctrination is with some people these days.
His "facts" did seem off but I'm hoping that this exercise shows that there is some conflict within him. Towards the end, he gave the examples of the top 250 NBA players, and even mentioned the need to gender-segregate sports at the college level out of fairness to female athletes. Next step is for him to wake up and realize people who've gone through male puberty will maintain some form of advantage after they "transition".
He just kept saying he had facts while not actually having any.
I'm shocked a college student doesn't know it's easy to tell the sex of a skeleton! And it has nothing to do with height, the whole pelvic structures are different.
His “facts” were totally made up.
“During the last season in the NCAA, Lia Thomas competed in the men’s division, in 2018-19. There, she ranked 554th in the 200-yd freestyle, and she is now fifth in the event this year.
Furthermore, in the 500-yd freestyle, Thomas was 65th in the country. Now, she ranked first place in the event this year. Finally, in the 1650 freestyle, she is now eighth in the nation, as opposed to 32nd in the men’s division.
Interestingly, in the 100 freestyle event, Thomas’ best time in the men’s division was 47.15. Now, at the NCAA Championships, she posted a time of 47.37, which reflects little to no change.”
There is a demographic that believe all trans are required to undergo hormone therapy in order to compete at the prep and collegiate level. It is not true. Many girls and women are being pushed out of the record books because boys and men are invading their sports.
They don't live in an upside down world, you're living in a myopic poorly educated intolerant close minded bubble!!!
These people are so respectful and I love the comment the young boy made about being open to conversation and wanting people to disagree so we can learn
Isn’t it terrific to have an open, honest conversation!?
exactly!!!! it's ok to have a conversation about it, be respectful, and agree to disagree. If an apple is an apple and you wanna think it's a rock, by all means please do. We don't have to hate each other because of it
Seeing that young lady move to the strongly agree line shocked the hell out of me.
🙋♂ WOW! A calm, rational discussion on this topic without screaming, abuse and accusations of phobia. Is there still hope? 🤔
I know right!!!
No........lol
This is what normal people still think like. The media is constantly pushing propaganda suggesting otherwise. It’s all fake. If you saw it through a screen, question it.
It's because it is highly structured.
That young woman should be protected at all costs. 1000% keeper ,great smile and manners. There is hope!
That young woman frustrated me a lot she was very passive about her arguments, that white guy with his nonsense and lias was more confident and straight forward, he was like bam bam, lias, lias, another lie, insulting women and call them misygyny.
Protected from who? She’s fine.
@@jumpinjojo protected by this creep crushing on this “young woman” apparently 😮
@@jumpinjojo yeah I don’t know why it’s a trend to say ‘this person needs to be protected…’
It’s a bit cringey in my opinion because I’ve read it so much.
@@permadeath4767 Exactly my thoughts.
This idea of "language is evolving" and equating that with changing definitions. Will only create an ambigious world. Things like contracts and the word of law can be nullified or circumvented based on subjectivity or the ever changing of definitions.
I think an important thing to differentiate is sports skills versus athletic metrics. Saying one sex is better or worse 'at sports' bundles the concepts together without analysis. This is, specifically, the distinction between raw power and agility and endurance metrics, like jump height, weight lift, fast twitch reflex, etc. Versus acquired and refined skills like accuracy, vestibular sense, fine motor control, . . . like free throw percentage, juggling, target accuracy, dribbling skills [soccer OR basketball] etc.
You can tell that she's a college student by her constant use of "I feel statements". We were taught this when I was in college in the 90's. It's meant to make everything subjective so that you can never be wrong as long as you are governed by your feelings rather than facts.
I got a speeding ticket once (on a college campus). I decided to go to court and I told the judge the road "felt" like a 35 mph. He ate me up ... and then reduced the ticket for me.
I dunno, women typically reason (more than men) on emotion and feeling; so it may just be natural to her to say feel; even if she means think.
I think some people understand what they think about something via their feelings, hence the use of “I feel” statements. It’s not necessarily that they don’t have solid reasoning to back up their claims, but they use their feelings about something as a portal to understand their thoughts about something. If they are met with new information that changes their mind, then their overall feeling about it will change. Later, if they are questioned about the same topic, they will still use their feeling to access their thoughts, but now it’s a different feeling (hence a different set of thoughts). This took me a long time to wrap my head around as someone who would always think first and feel second, but I dated a man with this process. Drove me mad at first, but eventually it helped me become more balanced between my thoughts and feelings.
Some people also use one or the other depending on the situation. My tendency as a 30 year old female is to use “I think” statements (my environment growing up was emotions = bad), but as I’ve learned to make friends with my emotions over the last several years, I’ve begun to recognize the utility of using one or the other depending on the context, and I find myself switching between both now. I feel that in some situations it can help get your message across in a more effective way. Communication is complex, and what matters at the end of the day is not what you said, but what the other person understood about what you said. So I’m all for reading your audience to choose what words to say to communicate your message to the intended recipient. :)
People saying, "I feel..." when I'm in a conversation with them is so fucking annoying. I don't care about what you feel (if it isn't a gut instinctual feeling as those are loosely linked to thought), I care about what you think.
12 seasons of the tv show "Bones" where the main character literally distinguishes the sex of the skeleton by sight.
Mainly the pelvis
Is that actually a really good show? I hear people talking about it all the time and recommending that I watch it. But the first ep is kinda slow
@@puffdaddy69 I enjoyed the show. I wasn't awestruck, but I think it's worth a good try.
@@puffdaddy69 It's a classic police show with a twist with the main characters, just like stuff like The Mentalist, Castle, even Dexter and iZombie, Lie to Me, etc… Those I've seen, Bones I haven't, because it's basically the same trope. Police/investigation show with quirky main characters. Specifically, The Mentalist, Castle, and Lie to Me, we're right in it : main character is a consultant, no professional police background, but so insightful they're the ones solving the case, in a way more efficient manner that's also unconventional. I don't know for sure if in Bones she's a consultant or part of the police, but I'm decently confident she's the main one to solve all the cases.
You'd probably have a decent time with it if you like that kind of stuff.
@@lonewaer I loved the Mentalist. And I also think the show Monk would fall into that category too. That show is really good too.
His "facts" are dead wrong! I'd love to see his face if he ever gets presented with the correct data. He's probably one of the types to keep digging a hole for himself instead of admitting he was wrong.
Thanks for doing these,Peter!!!!
do you happen to know where I could find those data?
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sex:
the state of being either male or female in most species of metazoans. In humans, each cell nucleus contains 23 pairs of chromosomes, a total of 46 chromosomes. The first 22 pairs are called autosomes. Autosomes are homologous chromosomes, that is, chromosomes that contain the same genes (regions of DNA) in the same order along their chromosomal arms. The 23rd pair of chromosomes are called allosomes (sex chromosomes). These consist of two X chromosomes in most all females, and an X chromosome and a Y chromosome in most all males. Females, therefore, have 23 homologous chromosome pairs, while males have 22. The X and Y chromosomes have small regions of homology called pseudoautosomal regions. The X chromosome is always present as the 23rd chromosome in the ovum, while either an X or Y chromosome may be present in an individual spermatozoon cell gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either (anatomical) hermaphrodites or of indeterminate sex (or to be more accurate, disordered sex). That does not negate the incontrovertible FACT that there are but two sexes/genders. In order for reproduction to take place, there is the requirement of a female ovum and a male sperm to unite, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division of most species of animals is to enable procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the individual in question. There is no third gamete. Cf. “gender”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
If the reader is curious to know the reason for this term being included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because, in recent times, LEFTISTS have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the words “sex” and “gender”, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, immoral ideologies, especially by promoting the nonsensical idea that a person is able to transition from one gender to the other.
gender:
the state of being either male or female, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete. An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders. As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
In those rare cases in which a human is born without gonads, the other characteristics of sex/gender would be taken into consideration - firstly, the allosomes (sex chromosomes) found in the DNA of every cell, and then, any extant genitalia, since even those females who have experienced the misfortune of being born without ovaries, for instance, usually have their remaining sex organs intact).
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema.
If the reader is curious to know why this term is included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because leftists have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the word in recent times, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, sinful, objectively-immoral ideologies.
Until relatively recently, the word “gender” has ALWAYS been used in the etymologically-accurate sense of the term, and even in the former case, predominantly where leftist ideologues comprise a significant proportion of the population. See also “leftism”.
If you are truly wise and intelligent, you would surely have recognized several amazing secrets contained within the body of this treatise, “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”. However, perhaps the most secretive secret, shall forthwith be revealed:
It is IMPOSSIBLE for a human being to change his or her sex/gender! (You are implored to keep this secret - do not tell a soul!!!)
For example, a man who castrates himself and wears a skirt or a dress is simply a mutilated, transvestinal male - not a woman or a female. Similarly, a woman who attaches an appendage resembling a phallus to her crotch and dons a pair of pantaloons, is merely a transvestinal woman with a fake penis between her thighs, and not a man, nor a male, in any accurate sense of the terms.
Actually, I would contend that any “man” who excises his reproductive organs was ALWAYS a dickless “man”, metaphorically speaking. 🤪
@@zapender YT keeps removing my comments, but google "boys vs women".
@@logicillustrated9113 Thank you, that is a great source
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I appreciate that they all seem open minded and basing their decision on some facts
I love your neutral style of facilitation, Peter. Keep it up!
This woman is awesome!
I really like these two kids. They seem like open minded, chill, decent human beings. Sure they still have some blind spots and could stand to work on their reasoning, but I can't help but want to root for both of them to have all the success in the world.
I agree wholeheartedly, zeus! They're so open and authentic and you inherently know they're playing/participating in good faith. No entitlement, no self-righteousness, basic humility and obvious curiosity. If be proud to have either of these first two kiddos as my own based on their openness to the experience, openness to new information, demeanor, and ability to reason. 💯🥰
Agreed cause at least they have a conversation and debate rather than act like those idiots that think feelings are fact
I love how well you challenge both sides.
11:14 that anger in his face for being canceled is threatening hahah
That last guy who joined...OMG. I wish I was there to debate him!
If even 1 decent IQ guy was there to disprove the 100% of his "facts" he would have probably checked in at a hospital immediately after this video, with an anxiety attack... :DDD
Western civilisation is in big trouble.
I doubt Europe is being so stupid. I bet this is more an American problem
why just western civilization?
Nah this is just the circuses part of bread and circuses
Nah, it's always been like this. Alpha's prevail in the end always ✊
Agreed
this is freaking BRILLIANT!..thank the stars for you Peter!
I love the T-Shirt! I have a camp on the northern edge of the park! Great video!
I ran track in high school and in my freshman and sophomore years at college. I was decent in my events, sprints and middle distance, dominated at many meets and did well regionally although I fell just short of making it to state in high school or to any NCAA D2 championship . I could beat lots of the boys in high school in gym class, but I could not beat the boys who ran track. I definitely would never have been able to even stay in close range of the men who ran at the college level. Beyond men simply being bigger and stronger and having more lung capacity, there are other things a man does not have to deal with that women do have to deal with, a wider pelvic structure, even if slight, does not help a runner, there is also a monthly thing that is uncomfortable, can lead to sleeplessness, lower energy, and sometimes (as in my case) iron deficiency. These are things a biological male will never have to deal with. When the guy at the end said that high school sports are just for the fun of it and everyone can have fun just doing it, I have to disagree. As a female runner, I got to win or come close to winning many, many times both individually and on relay teams. It is fun to win. It can be, in the moment, devastating, but in retrospect, also fun, to see how close you can come to winning. I don't think I would have kept running high school track if I would never have had a chance to really know how it feels to absolutely dominate a race or to be one of the first ones across that finish line. It was something I did well and that was a big deal. If we allow biological men to compete with women at the high school level (or beyond), I can guarantee you that there will be no women dominating, very few women competing at the varsity level and no women having fun or making memories about what it feels like to strive for and achieve excellence.
Thank you for saying this. This is the part that alot of these people that support it don’t think about. It can be truly devastating and discouraging to go up against somebody that you know you cannot beat no matter how hard you try.
Very well said! I don’t see how any reasonable person could even begin to argue with a single word you said.
And professional athletes start at junior school so fairness must apply all the way through
I'm so glad I've found this channel. What interesting work you are doing. This was so hopeful to see these students wanting to engage, listen, learn & grow. We see so many who's position they believe won't & can't ever be changed. As always these days it just shows how much free discussion, free thought & peaceful conversation can be the beginning of the answers to almost anything.
Thank you. We appreciate that. We work hard to provide quality, thoughtful videos that help make society more kind and sane.
@@drpeterboghossian You are more than welcome. I shared your channel & videos with my colleagues & also with friends I still have from Uni here in England. We often have discussions re what's happening to University's today & the push of (what feels like) the One True Opinion. I finished my post grad here in 2013 & the changes between my Uni experience & what's happening now is truly terrifying. Our freedom & encouragement back then to truth seek & debate with respect, was paramount to all our on campus lives, as I believe all millennials & previous generations (in Western society) enjoyed too.
I really admire your approach of calm questions, the sharing of knowledge & hopeful opening of minds. I have been searching & absorbing any content of yours that I can find & I wish you so much luck with all your work going forward.
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Hi Peter, I have a spiritual friend who raised a very interesting request for a video. Would you be willing to engage in street epistemology with a more rural group of people. Or, if you have, would you please link the videos 😀 I thoroughly enjoy your content and look forward to seeing what comes next.
If you're ever in Jacksonville, I'd love to grab a coffee and just talk with you. I love your approach with these.
I would have liked to see their expression when you told them the high school boys had won...especially the hip bone expert.
For contrast:
When I was in high school I was in club soccer(highest skilled league - invite only) and the best 3 players from every team were invited to a soccer camp coached by the coach of the US Men's national soccer team. On the last day, 4 players from the team came and we played against them and the coach. 5 pros vs a full team of the absolute best boys high school soccer players and they completely destroyed us. We scored one lucky goal from across the field that only went in because they didn't have a goalie.
When I was growing up in the 80's and 90's my friends and I actually discussed boys playing against girls. And we quickly realized it was a horrible idea for two reasons .
1. If you win, big deal, boys should win and you'll always be known as the guy who had to play against girls to win.
2. If you lost, you'll always be known as the guy who got beat by girls.
My sport is basketball. And when girls join in a run, it's laughable how soft the guys play against her. She will basically get free looks at the basket, but even then, guys will stick up a 'token' hand during her shot and often still block her. I dont go 100% on girls either.
Every sane man have had this thought at least once in his life.
@@drewbewho playing "nice" is pretty much the social/behavioral norm.
Failing to play "nice" is pretty much a sign of antisocial behavior.
That's why I'm even more wary towards trans identified males in women's sports than I am about regular men.
I was happy to see these young people being able to have a civilized discussion .If people could talk about these issues like this we might actually learn something.
That girl is a keeper. Beautiful, seems to have a good handle on things/life, doesn't come off as the type to take 20 selfies a day.
This was much more productive and honest than your frontpage video with those stubborn girls who took offence to even discussing the issues. This is how it should be. An open and friendly discussion. Well done to all :)
Your work with Chris and James, has been well received. I even have a chuckle, which is rare these days. This video, in particular this format, over the past few years, has so opened my eyes to what's happening in universities in the US, and globally Keep it up sir.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”
― Voltaire
There is hope to the world with this sane, rational thinking, common sense girl. 👏
I love these conversations. Peter is so good at asking thought provoking questions that dig down into the epistemic methods, without getting tangled up in the claims themselves. I think posing the thought experiments is a key part of this. By asking if someone would maintain their belief if the conditions were such and such, you can remove the layers of the belief and get at the root of it. IF the belief is based on evidence then it SHOULD be changeable once you’re shown reliable evidence that contradicts it.
Thank you. Anyone can learn to do what I do. It just takes practice.
@@drpeterboghossian I’m 10 years deep in the S.E. game, use it nearly everyday, it has helped carve out a better path in life. It’s hands down the best way I found at having conversations about sensitive topics with loved ones. It’s not me against them, it’s both of us looking at the methods used and figuring out if they’re reliable and then adjusting our confidence in the belief accordingly.
I wish Magnabosco was still putting out content regularly, his videos are full of some really clever and compassionate questions, his angle is so sincere.
These are college educated people. Yet, over and over, I keep hearing them say “I feel” rather than “I think”. That tells me a lot about the people answering the questions.
This is how these topics should be approached even if we have our own beliefs. Just be adults about it, and handle the situation with care and respect of others opinions even if you disagree.
This is exactly what the society needs. good job man
These 'tough questions' used to be easy for 5yr olds to answer 😂
@Peter Boghossian - I appreciate the fact that you always remain neutral throughout all of these exercises. It's quite a refreshing change compared to most everything else in the media and news. Being able to discuss differences of opinion has become a lost art in today's society and you are a master of that art. However, I'm also curious to hear your personal thoughts on many of these subjects as well.
I’m very open about my beliefs when I am *not* doing these exercises.
His skeleton argument is completely false. You can ABSOLUTELY tell a male skeleton from a female skeleton based on looks alone.
It's sad that no one brought up the safety issue with men's playing in women's sports. Recently in England a trans-woman joined a woman's football (soccer) team. During his second game he broke the kneecap of a girl on the opposing team. Women in MMA have suffered a couple of fractured skulls since trans-women were allowed to complete. This is just the tip of the iceberg of injuries that have been reported.
I'm very skeptical about the guys statement relating to observing sex in skeletons... I'd imagine a paleontologist is observing the body over large periods of time, so I can imagine some confusion at times which might relate to stages of evolution but even with just a background in visual arts; you can have a pretty high success rate of "sexing" skeletons from just observing the pelvis, skull and rib cage.
I don’t see how there could ever be confusion at any point in time because the male has never been the sex to bear the children. There should have been a difference in the pelvic region since the beginning of mankind because the female has to have the bone structure for pregnancy.
@@wdehey7853 Very true, but I can imagine that observing a skeleton out of context in relation to stages of evolution or maybe even just a rare mutation could throw a professional until further testing, but I imagine that's pretty rare.
The argument the guy in the video tried to make was pretty absurd.
the pelvis
It's a shame the final question wasn't proven or disproven. Good for you Boghossian. Keep up the killer journalism!
all 3 of them got the last question wrong....
the us national womens soccer team scrimmaged against a bunch of 13 year old boys and got smoked.
high school boys beats college women in any sport that involves imposing your physicality against your opponent.
@@lawrence208 totaly 7-0
@@bogwoodmoonrocks9709 5-2
For elite female athletes to think they can compete with elite males, is insane.
I can’t believe they go to bed at night and really think this way.
They must be just getting eyes on them.
I think this was a nice discussion. People were not personally attacked and could speek their mind. Even though I notice you want to make 100% clear what people are saying and how it might sound "pushy" to some I think you make a good effort in letting people specify what their opinion is based on.
It blows my mind how stupid these humans are. We are screwed.
You can easily tell the difference if a skeleton is a man or woman’s by simple eye examination due to basic differences in bone structure. There’s major differences in strength, speed, bone density, endurance, heart size, lung capacity and men are advantages in every category by large also. These are all scientific facts.
Pelvis. I think you only need to look at the pelvis.
Oh, and the skull cavity. Men have much larger brains.
Also the legs are longer in males.
Then there's bone density of course.
Average size of the skeleton.
I think women have a bifurcated pelvis also, it splits apart during child birth. I should look that up, in case i ever need to argue with a sophist.
That's just common sense stuff that everyone knows. I imagine there are myriad differences to the educated eye.
When examining a human skeleton, what does it mean to measure its "speed"? How does that work? Since its just a skeleton, obviously it isn't moving?
How do you measure its "strength"? All the muscle mass is gone.
How do you measure its "endurance"? What that even mean?
Bone density I get; that's an obvious physical property that can be measured. Lung capacity, based on the size of the ribcage, that makes sense as well.
The other properties I'm not sure about, especially "speed."
There a lots of different methods to examine bones for sex because skeletons aren't always complete. But the easiest way seems to be the pelvis.
@@commandershepard9920 The pelvic bones affect the leg bones significantly:
“A wide pelvis with a significant angle of the femur can provoke genu valgum, accentuated all the more by the hyperlaxity toward which women tend. The legs then take on a typical X shape: the articulation at the knee is excessively solicited; the medial collateral ligament is overstretched; and the lateral meniscus, the cartilage-covered articular surfaces of the external condyle of the femur, and the lateral tuberosity of the tibia are subjected to excessive loads, which may lead to premature wear.”
@@commandershepard9920 I don't think Johnny Appleseed's comments about speed, strength, endurance etc were specifically about skeletons. They were more general observations about the significant physiological differences between men and women. Although, you could infer strength from a skeleton based on the area where muscles attach to the bones. On males, and on people who undertake frequent physical activity, such as manual labor, the attachment points on the bones are larger.
BTW, there is always a difference in skeletal form between men and women - save deformity. Paleontologists for example can *_ALWAYS_* determine male from female given a whole skeleton.
Exactly
They all would have lost money on the 15 yr old boys vs professionals part. 🤣 Great video!
William Thomas’s times decreased slightly but he still had massive advantages (lung capacity, heart size, skeletal structure, muscle mass/muscle type, bone density) over women.
This is such an amazing exercise to help younger people state, define, defend and converse about their beliefs.
yup, cuz they ain’t doing none of this at the universities these days. I really want to do this in Canada, I bet the people up here are ALL crazies
Thank you
What needs to happen is a fact checked exist post discussion. There's no oint in just allowing people to continue on spouting 'facts' that are incorrect.
In fact. I'd love to have them have a female pro athlete there to talk to them about the truth of the matter. But it's not really what this is about
You mean like what's supposed to happen in the classroom on the day to day? But now it's a rare and exotic thought experiment one random afternoon on a random field.
But it’s a little annoying when there’s no pushback for the most simplest things-like the USA womens soccer team losing to 15 year old boys soccer team.
This guy is so committed to his ideology that he actually started learning and watching women’s basketball 😂
That’s dedication!!!
No wonder viewership was up to 1 🤷🏽♀️
Both young people give me hope. Girl is precious.
This guy needs to watch the interview by Jordan Peterson of Riley Gaines who has trained her whole life to be the top female swimmer and is now beaten by a guy rated close to 500th prior to saying he’s a woman. It’s not fair to women at all and I’m sick of these people gaslighting us.