Students Try to Explain Why America is Systemically RACIST
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- In this video, two students defend the claim, "America is racist." An interesting element of the conversation is defining "systemic racism" and attempting to offer an example of systemic racism in contemporary America. Peter tries to determine what constitutes a system and the difference between systemic actions and individual actions. Racism in the police force is a large element of the conversation.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:12 Slightly agree
3:22 Agree
8:30 Student example of systemic racism
10:30 What is meant by "systemic racism"?
14:48 What evidence would you need to hear to switch positions?
21:09 How many unarmed Black men do you think are killed by police? / Wrap Up
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“Are you stealing?” “No, why do you ask?” “Because you’re black.” I find that portrayal VERY hard to believe.
I don't believe that happened for a second
i'm conflicted. she seems like an honest enough person, and i've seen people doing way wackier shit than that online, but that part of the story does seem off.
Fact she thought it believable is embarrassing. Poor girl shoulda been happy she was cat called cuz I bet she's another lonely girl living with her cats
@@LiMortacciSuaSempre I lied, her being cat-called is less believable. 😂
@@GuitarBoyDusty LMAO !!!!!! Good one 😃😂
The fact that someone like this young man can believe so strongly in something he knows nothing about, use words he doesn't understand to support such a belief and debate that in public shows how doomed academia is.
he's running malware.
The education system has removed critical thinking and replaced it with "passionate" thinking. Truth and reality doesn't matter. Only how much passion you have and display of it. Their using emotional "support" as a political tool. Basically political grooming.
Look at ¿his? mannerisms and overall behavioral persona analysis. The beaten pose, the painted black nails... Sad to see him brainwashed by academia. It's a shame. He has a blessed hairline and a good beard possibility. Meaning all the Soy consumption has not yet affected him fully. If he would work his body and ditch his wokeness he'd still have a chance at becoming a Chad.
It doesn’t mean academia is doomed it means one particular ideology has held on to the levers for too long.
His brain is infected.
The guy with the black hair has no thought process, no reasoning, no arguments, no humility. Only ideology.
He's life a sponge that learns and repeats everything he learns at gender relations. And at one point you can know his answers on questions being asked to him
He’s in a gender studies course… of course he’s an idealogue
Look at his behavior and body language. That’s a guy who’s living his life in constant fear.
He’s been convinced that the world is threatening dangerous place.
And 20 years from now he’ll be working at a smoke shop making $20 an hour and complaining about his student loans
and the woman has nothing but lies.
When the young man didn't know what facts could possibly change his mind, Peter nailed it with "wouldn't you want to know the conditions under which your belief is false in order to justify confidence in the belief?"
This dude is the perfect example of a person with 'firmly held but vaguely understood positions'.
In plain words....a dumba**.
The dude just try to find words he doesn’t understand.
Growing up my dad called it, "Often wrong, never in doubt."
Holy fucking shit it was soooooo fucking hard to listen to this guy in the sunglasses. He truly doesn't understand why he believes things. Its obvious his beliefs are adopted and that he did not genuinely arrive at this conclusion through his own thoughts. He just likes how the virtue signalling makes him feel.
"firmly held but vaguely understood positions" - I love this!
“There is systemic racism in America but I cannot point to a single racist system”
Incredible.
They've been brainwashed.
I can, Harvard accepts more Asian Americans than is represented in the population statistics, they reecist.
I can , affirmative action
@@rongt859 agreed! DemoRats did that
@@rongt859 ANTI-WHITE "Diversity" quotas for businesses, Black only scholorships, the Vice President of the United States was chosen because of her skin color.
That guy hurt my brain- if you have a strong belief have a strong argument
That is exactly the difference between belief and knowledge. You don't need to know anything to believe.
He’s brainwashed
For the last 5-6 years after constantly hearing people talk about systemic racism, I always ask "What proof do we have?" And not once has anyone ever given me a legitimate answer.
I have a legitimate answer. Race based quotas for work and school. Racism is treating people based on there race.
Although I doubt that is what those people where referring to.
^ An example of a system put in place to keep minorities down. I can think of one, that being welfare but for whatever reason leftists actually LIKE that one.
The one I feel many activists ignore is drug laws and enforcement. This is a subject that they would have a real claim, but isn’t often mentioned.
my comment was h!dd3n for saying the only system keeping min0rities down was the wlfre system.
Here's your legitimate answer:
Affirmative Action exists
That's legitimately the only example of "systemic racism"
The young man is a perfect example of what happens when you teach students what to think rather than how to think. He has all the required phrases, but he can't explain himself in a coherent way.
He, or it at this point is an example of the complete and utter pussifacation of the male existence in America. Too much soy, Adderall, helicopter parents. Marx was right, society makes man in turn man makes society repeat repeat. The left has had the reigns for at least 60 years and that thing that a strong fart will tople is the product.
It's the same with the question, what is a woman....xD it's a simple question with a simple answer.
This guy is so sure of his position on systemic racism but he still hasn’t come close to defining it other than his feelings about it,which is usually what this boils down to,,,feelings
Its actually quite sad 😭he could’ve been really smart if he wasn’t brainwashed
Yeah, I changed my opinion. The young dude is a jerk. Not only is he your typical entitled know it all, convinced that his basic level of jargon makes him an expert. He's also convinced that he is the only one with anything worth listening to. Notice that when he's not talking, he's skipping, playing with his hair, etc. And he relentlessly pushes his own undefined (ie he can't explain anything he says) ideas and then just dismisses out of hand any attempt to challenge or quantify his statements.
One thing I'm realizing with these videos is how good our students are at being verbose while saying very little. Their vocabularies are getting bigger but the arguments remain shallow.
That is the intended result of our "education" system. Students learn to repeat certain phrases on a page without actually understanding concepts.
that's because they don't really know why they so ardently believe the things they supposedly believe. They're told to believe racism is prevalent because black ppl tell them so. These black ppl don't have any statistics to support their claims.
It’s called sophistry, it’s a hallmark of the American intelligentsia. They also love to make an argument and then find research to prove their point instead of actually investigating.
@@MountainsBreath bam
Well said. It took you two sentences to articulate an aspect of a nuanced topic, and you were clear and concise.
This is why conversations are important.
The younger man and woman have parroted an idea but can’t explain the idea that they went along with so they wouldn’t make waves.
If you can’t defend your beliefs, you probably shouldn’t “strongly agree” with your beliefs.
I have to give them credit for even being willing to engage, not call names, not getting emotional, and recognizing that their personal experiences aren't evidence.
This is why it is SO important to include critical thinking in education instead of just teaching words and theories. People need to know how to listen, think, and explain, not just regurgitate.
Na, we can't have CRT in schools. Its too racist.
Most underrated comment.
But that would crumble these ideologies :(
Well that's not a very good way to get zealots.
Oh! We were talking about how to get thinkers?
You're lucky they let you learn to read. That's a fairly new development for slaves.
2 white kids feeling guilty isn’t very convincing.
They don't feel guilty lolol. They feel fearful of being labeled a racist
@@stepfaniehawkins205 So it can’t be both? Why not?
@@CaptainTae is it right?
@@Sandwich13455 is what right?
7:09 Critical thinking fail.
The fact that he quoted Monty Python “come and see the violence inherent in the system” and didn’t connect this to classism and not race is so interesting to me. It’s always been about class
Nice point.
Has it though? That's a very Marxian view.
@@yournumberonepalWell, that guy in the video talks like a Marxist, so I'm not surprised OP went to class over race.
that girl is lying. NOBODY, who is working in a store, walks up to someone and asks them if they're shoplifting.........🤷♀🤦♂
All you would have to do is film the incident & have the assistant fired.
@@dcoughla681 that the thing - she's making it up. and, i wish he'd have asked both of the people WHY they live in the US if it's SO "racist". so, many of these fools go on about how bad it is in the US; but they never leave. i'd also have asked them why millions of immigrants risk their lives to try and sneak into the US if it's so bad?
I’m impressed that both of these guests didn’t resort to emotional outbursts and tried to reason their way through the conversation in a polite way. Bear in mind, this might be the first time in their lives that they’ve ever had to apply critical thinking to a topic that has been preached to them as fact.
Good point. It's a shame philosophy isn't taught in schools.
True that
All of their weak “arguments” are based on emotions
@@patrickpaganiniphilosophy is a GE at many if not all colleges
@@alexisoviedo100 does college mean high school? Like 15? If so, maybe I'm wrong and problems actually have nothing to do with education.
“Sorry they didn’t teach us what the system actually was in gender studies. Just repeated the word a lot. Totally worth 80k” 😵💫
It's all circular reasoning with them. The claim is proof of the claim.
@@ams914 Circular reasonings as well as circular definitions. “A woman is a woman”. Well if you identify as a woman, what are you identifying as? “A woman”. What is that? “A woman”
Preach
@Auspician we know the Bible is real because so many people actually turn to Christ they talk in tongue they found Noah's ark by the way so there lying about that if so what is the meaning for them lying
@@shawnhutchins1972 None of that would hold up in court. We know the Bible is true because of fulfilled prophesy. Nobody today can speak in a language that they've never learned or studied.
When they have to give examples they turn into studdering mess.
If this country was so racist, the examples would be numerous and easy to name.
Right. 💯
Watching your videos is like watching adults trying to think for the first time in their life. Something that should've happen in primary/secondary school. You're teaching Americans think. One person at the time. Good job
You are correct. These kids can barely string together whole sentences without blurting out the approved buzz words. Add to that the guy trying so hard to sound smart. I think we're screwed for about 50 years at minimum.
@@brianpalmer4643and his pacing back and forth my damn
"I've particular been studying gender relations at the moment " 💀💀. That's all I needed to know.
😅😆🤣😁👍🏽👌🏽
Crazy how they can't answer the question so they instead try to change the definition and change the question all together. Unbelievable
First interview: file under things that never happened
“People cause systems, and systems cause people” ~ Word Salad Champion
Yeah but he's really cool with his glasses. He's like a beat poet mannnn
Turtles all the way down.
Is he wrong?
3rd place at best. He might get a press sec internship though
As confused as the gentleman in the dark glasses is, there is something to this utterance. Consider the following observation from Karl Popper: "Often [Marxian economism] is...interpreted as the doctrine that all social development depends upon that of economic conditions, and especially upon the development of the physical means of production. But such a doctrine is palpably false. *There is an interaction between economic conditions and ideas, and not simply a unilateral dependence of the latter on the former.* [Emphasis added]" *The Open Society and Its Enemies* Routledge Classics Edition. Oxford, UK: Routledge. 2011. First Published by Routledge and Kegan Paul 1945. Vol II The High Tide of Prophecy Ch 15 "Economic Historicism."
That dude pacing back and forth is trying so hard to find a way to justify his beliefs.
The system is the system cause humans create systems so therefore we're all in a system. It's systemic bro, just listen to me
@@amarya86 I really don't understand how this guy is in the educational system. Maybe he was just passing by and doesn't understand the word and needed a definition
If he just fallowed up by saying the word system stems from the word sewer, he would have won his point.
HIS LOGIC: LITERALLY EVERYTHING IS SYSTEMIC
@@deenzmartin6695 explain to me when the inequality created by slavery was undone? certainly not with 40 acres and a mule
5:28 Beautiful! Made a bee line for 'STRONGLY AGREE' and can't name even one example from his vast and confident memory. The smugnorance is glorious.
I have no idea how you can feel so strongly about a thing like “systemic racism” existing and not be able to describe the characteristics or details of it.
Not even one characteristic or detail.
He’s probably parroting what he’s heard.
@@Apriluser for sure. You can always tell when you peel back the first layer of the their rhetoric and theirs no foundation or fact behind it. Reminds me of the gun debate…when things get even slightly detailed, the gun control advocates usually answers with something like “well, I don’t really know anything about guns”
I don’t agree with the guy, but I could define it if I wanted to. There are many arguments to say America is racist. I could stand on either side and argue in favor.
But these people have no logical reasoning. There is no debate. They repeat slogans.
@@niftygrower2745 I just don’t know how you could declare an entire country is racist based on a very small minority of its citizens being racist. Do we have what we could call a racist history or past? Sure, but so does every other country. Currently, I don’t see how anyone could declare the country is racist. If it is, those that believe it better inform all the immigrants trying to come here
One of the biggest lessons I learnt in life was that admitting not knowing things (even things that you should know or are obvious) commands far more respect than going on like you do.
They apparently don't teach ancient Greek philosophy anymore. Or show people Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.
I just don’t understand this need to know everything, if someone confronts me on the street and asks ”what do you think of the current president of Tajikistan Emomalii Rahmon?” I would be the first one to say ”I have no idea”…
@@bobsondugnutt9914
I love your comment
Seriously that guys demeanor versus the girls is that exact representation, and I respect her a lot more.
Bingo. I had to learn this the embarrassing way. I was a know-it-all in my 20s and even into my 30s. I eventually realized many of my most passionately held beliefs were built on a foundation of quicksand. The older we get, the more we know we don’t know.
Peter, Your patience and respect shows how you care and are willing to listen to any side. You always have some of the best questions.
Honestly, I don't think he accomplished anything with the interview. It ended up being a waste of time watching it.
That guy couldn’t give a straight answer if his life depended on it.
Still waiting for him to come up with a _single_ example of what he claims marks the entire ‘system’
Ideologue
_"Are you stealing?” “No, why do you ask?” “Because you’re black."_
_"There was a catcalling incident....I was being catcalled."_
*I'll take events that never happened for $100, Alex*
100 if they are scared of thrm.. they will follow they won't confront like that. And from experience these stores they have reasons for their assumptions. It didn't come from no where.
@@npcimknot958 And if you ask 100 people if they are shoplifting 100 of them will answer no. who would ever ask something like that? or straight out say we profile you because you are black? They may think it, but saying it is highly doubtful. And who catcalls a land whale?
That comment was gold!!!!!
@@npcimknot958 its funny you said that because when i was 16, this white girl i was dating would ask me to just walk to the store after her, and as soon as i step in the security would follow me and she used to clear the store like its nothing. i think this lady exaggerate but the fact of the matter is it does happen.
@@animalworld5296 I got followed and watched when I was a teenager. I'm mixed, but definitely passing. It was because of how I dressed, carried myself, age, etc. It had nothing to do with my race. To automatically jump to that conclusion without noting anything else is dishonest and says more about your mind then the people you're accusing.
I am Mexican,my parents were born in Mexico.When they got their citizenship we moved to 3 different states in my life as a kid.Some neighborhoods were a Latin mix ,some African Americans with latins ,and also white Americans.With that being said the racism I experienced was from my own Latin community and I also saw a lot of racism between the African Americans and Latins.The reality is racism is in every culture.
And I never experienced racism from a white person.
Facts
@@lilyannanewton2712 okay? Good for u then?
Nuh uh. AOC told me Black people can't ever be racist.
I'm white and when I grew up I literally never heard any racist thing uttered about any minority. When I had more encounters with particularly black people I was told so often that I hated them. It was baffling for me. I was literally so freaking confused. They would tell me I knew things I'd never even heard. And then in my mostly black high school high school the black kids were absolutely vile towards the white kids. I was badly bullied for being white. I still didn't hate black people because hating a race is incredibly stupid. The Latinos never bothered anybody. Oh, and these black kids lived in nicer houses than mine. Had their lives really been that bad that they had to hate people?
The “gotcha” moment for that guy was hilarious. He uses the words but doesn’t know what they mean.
He's so confident that he's right that he hugs himself while waiting to explain his position.
This is the first time I’ve seen Peter almost crack under the weight of determined stupidity that he’s dealing with. Kudos for his efforts.
"but...why why why why why"
Yeah, his poker faced cracked.
"Well the proofs is in the pudding"
Teachers today systematically makes students stupid and
batshit weird.
Have you noticed how inarticulate they are? Even non-leftists.
“So like… if we like… look at the two sides of the argument… as like a dichotomy… two opposing ideas… then like… I feel that’s a conversation that can like open doors to better dialogue and like… can bring ideas to the forefront which reflects everyone’s lived experience and not just those who might like… feel their opinions are not being heard.”
People didn’t talk like this in decades gone by. Charlie Manson’s girls were poets compared to these drones.
@@petelovatt8357 Exactly , what they teach sounds more like a recipe for how to become a procrastinator that's going to need goverment issued life support to survive because they can't make decissions and go with the best working ideas to create and produce something of value, instead they get stucked and only going to repeat ideological ideas that their teachers told was "the truth", what's really happens is thst they want us to welcome to an tribe of screaming parrots that are unable to evaluate things in life, and we are going to see a lot of history falsification from thoose leading this movement, it strange for someone that are curious and want knowledge that it's way harder today to find real knowledge about a lot of subjects and sciences than it was 20 years ago, it's both hide in links that don't comes up with a google search the way it showed up than and it's also way more restricted to who can read it, I can search for dpecific things I searched for back then and instead of getting something with substance I get drowned in weird shit from bloggers or what "self declared genious" celebritys have an opinion on the subject even if it's clear they just haven't got sny clue what they talking about it's only opinion they made up on the go about it, and even libraries have start to sort out and leave some good books and instead replacet it with ideological opinionated missleading writing, it's like they hate facts that tells us what really going on in a subject with what they want us to belive happens instead, for someone that wants to learn knowledge to better navigate in life it's a disaster on the horizons, they may teach you one speciallity so you can be competent at a specific job but you are not allowed to have a greater knowledge and be able to put it into a context and understand what's going on, that's what they offer for the younger generations that grows up nowadays, that together with the fact that politicians want to have the totalitarian power over everything in the society the Police, the justice system, the school system, the cultural institutions, the media, so they can bann every person that don't knee inbrott of them and oberoende everything they say, all in the seducing sentence
"for the greater good"
but forgett to tell that sentence was also used by the most tyrannical regimes like Nazi Germany National Socialism or Stalinistic Soviet Marxust Communist Socialist or Communist Chinas Maoist Socialism that trio who commited the three biggest genocides in human history.
Anything to keep the fairytale of a self destructing forcibly diverse society going for as long as possible.
@Anders Persson: You mean like you who doesn’t know the correct term. The word is SYSTEMICALLY.
@@marccovitz5289 No. “Systematically” is perfectly fine. The word was used for hundreds of years before leftists decided to make “systemic” a trendy word. They basically mean the same thing, although blue haired folk will try and make a distinction.
Perfect example of "I have to say these things or I won't get my degree"
Humm...what scares me more, paying for their education with my tax dollars while I struggle or the ballot box in the background.
This guy's smug self assured hostility is mind boggling. He must be the absolute best at parroting his professors in his drum circle.
He literally had no argument but acted so sure of himself. Said absolute nonsense.
There seems to be a direct correlation with people who think like this and physical body type. Big strong, confident men, seem to never think like this.
100% and i bet you, he s daturbosimp 2.0
Ficking hipster. Desperately in need of a beat down.
It was a painful watch. I think Boghossian did those kids a serious favor by engaging them in a conversation.
"The most liberal and tolerant societies in human history are now unified in being portrayed as the most oppressive and bigoted societies ever" -- Douglas Murray
Absolutely
The young guy, black hair, black glasses - the embodiment of “indoctrinated”!!!
She is lying....no one would do that.
I knew a store detective. I asked him what the profile was for shoplifters. He said, "Everybody."
Yeah, but ask him the profile of smash & dash or mass lootings, and I'll bet you'll get a very specific grouping.
"America is systemically racist" can you name a system that's racist?? "Ummmmm welll im studying gender"
I can. Affirmative action. Systemically racist against white people.
@@garrettlees7497 and Asian Americans
This is the prob with social media, and when you have a whole generation forming their beliefs based off of little 15 second woke shorts on youtube they watch all day. Then cannot explain their claim
@@embe9322 explain to me when the inequality created by slavery was undone? certainly not with 40 acres and a mule
@@gnubbiersh647 which race do you refer of?
Peter's questions are probably the only time these students get to actually think for themselves.
That guy can find the most difficult way to solve a problem that doesn't exist.
I have an example of systemic racism in the Ú.S. : Affirmative Action. It is selecting ppl based on race, and national origin.
How does this comment not have hundreds of likes?
AA is the nxt target for the Supreme Court.
Don’t forget hiring quotas, catch and release policies, funding for special interest groups, showing faces of criminals on media, general media applause and bias
You are correct this does occur but as they say you can't be racist against white people. Seriously, everyone has the potential to be racist. My personal belief is America is not separated by race so much as it is by being poor or rich. I know many rich black people that if they were to be pulled over by the cops they wouldn't get in trouble but yet a poor white person would. You could claim that sports are racist as many blacks make better athletes due to their natural physical makeup. There have been studies regarding blacks and their muscle fibers vs. whites. We are all human and all have advantages and disadvantages to others due to our genes given to us by God. I served in the military and traveled the world. I can assure you racism exists around the world. You will never stamp it out. The one thing we can do as humans is to start learning to love one another and start looking at the character of the person before you look at the skin/outward appearance. This is very hard to do and overcome because your visual is always your first impression of someone.
Exactly! Against white ppl!! You are absolutely correct!
The pretentious personality this dude developed for himself as a mask for his insecurities should be addressed. Those people are the ones that grow to violence when they feel invalidated.
Hunched down shoulders, looking around wildly hands covering the softest spot of his body in a defensive Gesture, He just radiates self loathing anger and insecurity
Perfect ANTIFA type
I know what he means by “systemic” I study the left. “Systemic racism ” is actually the bad reputation of blacks ( that they did to themselves ) that causes society ( the system) ( the social system ) to treat them differently. The left doesn’t want anyone to have thoughts of blacks having a bad reputation even though they often do. Not always, but often or sometimes. The truth is most people disregard their bad reputation treating blacks the same as they do anyone else. However … some times when “some people” interact with blacks the thoughts of it surfaces and people’s discernment (knowledge based discrimination) is exercised.
@@wheelie642 every time a Democrat talks about systemic racism, say, “you mean YOUR system?”
People are desperate to belong, to make sense of things and to help others. Yet, so many are so distracted, so bogged down with 'content' and just problems of life, while they get told their whole lives to sit down, shut up and repeat after me. Most young people today have no idea who they actually are. That's why they scream to be listened to, to be 'validated' in their existentialist turmoil. They've spent their whole lives being told that everything is awful because the last generation wasn't as enlightened as we are today. They're told that knowledge is wisdom, and validation is worth. Is it any wonder that every time they are confronted with the smallest bit of reality, they just shut down?
Who is the lad with the glasses? He's great. He really had me at first, then i realised it was a performance and im very impressed. He really captures the vagueness of thought, and cleverly worded nonsense you hear from people like that. He's nailed the costume and hair and mannerisms too. Has he got a channel? i'd watch more of him ridiculing idiots.
Nothing more interesting than a 21 year old thinking he knows something.
"I strongly agree in systematic racism"
"Ok, which system?"
"Hmmmm, that's a hard question because I never thought about it"
No kidding!! He STRONGLY AGREES to something he can NOT even substantiate. How incredibly arrogant and smug. Wow!
Also the blonde girl complete liar!!
Affirmative Action is a racist policy, but I’m sure this kid wouldn’t consider that.
When I say "systemic" I mean I shouldn't be *asked* to provide any examples.
@@yacheritsi That right. Asking to back-up your belief is in itself a systemic (pick any bad thing). I think a lot of people mean well but are just fools.
@@WarAuthority I can't believe that anyone would cat call her, she is huge and unattractive.
That kid really WANTS to know what he's talking about. He probably thought he totally had it all figured out until someone finally tries to get him to explain himself.
This is why it's important to take a look at different sides of an issue rather than simply parroting the same buzz words and talking points you've heard over and over.
As a software dev I learned early on when struggling with a problem, if I try explaining an issue to someone else who knows nothing about it you look at it differently, which can really help you understand it better. These kids need to apply something similar, if you can't explain it you don't understand it.
He is a classic example of the dunning Kruger effect. He has also been so deeply indoctrinated and propagandized and he is too slow to recognize it
Great comment!! Spot on!
Absolutely - I went through the university and I left feeling confident about a bunch of conclusions. What you don't get is how the logic follows, you just get bad conclusions based on faulty premises based on non-emperical research methods like "auto ethnography" which is basically a diary entry which is treated like serious research.
The male student wanted Peter to change the claim from “America” to “Americans” as if that would clarify his vague assertions. If anything, it would have made it worse. “America” is more broad-based, which is better for his word salad definitions of “systemic”. “Americans” is more specific, and he’d have to explain how all races that exist under the “Americans” umbrella, including black, hispanic, asian, etc. are all racist under his assertion. He’d likely have to insist that Peter change the board again from “Americans” to “White Americans” in order to move the goalposts closer to what he really believes.
Respect to these two for participating and staying so civil
He folded on the systemic thing real quick, and didn't even realize it.
I love how this isn't about gotcha-isms - this is about penetrating their opinions with questions, and asking people to think about what they think. It's a fascinating watch!
Yup shows the lack of critical thinking in our society
Unfortunately, asking penetrating questions to people who don’t question their own opinions can seem like “gotchas” to them. Peter is definitely wrapping his questions in a certain “playing stupid and innocent” coating.
I'm no expert but I think that's the Socratic method, am I wrong?
This is as close to the truly Socratic method as I've seen a professional be on TH-cam. It's great!
@@randomactsofriding4850 7:09 Absolute critical thinking fail. 😂 So many, but that one is beautiful.
*Edit*
Ohh, 12:08 is even better. This guy cannot stay on point. Great hair though, I am legitimately impressed.
I’m a black guy and the people in stores do follow me around but there’s a 0% chance that if I asked them why they were following me that they would openly admit it’s because I’m black.
Her story could be true. The issue is if all you have are your own anecdotes to support such a bold claim of systematic racism. What she said could be 100% true and proof of nothing on a systemic level if it can't be buttressed with facts.
@@EricTitansSmith her story is a blatant lie
When I was a 12 year-old white kid in a Woolworth’s in downtown Minneapolis in 1973 thinking about stuffing a $7.99 football into the $2.99 football’s box, but ultimately putting them both back in their proper boxes, the enormous black security guard at the door looked down on me as I walked out. He said, “You’re lucky kid”.
Maybe he was racist- but he was right.
Even though it's wrong, there could be a personal reason for someone to act like some kind of racist person. I run my own business and have had some trouble with employees of a certain background, that fact makes me think twice if someone of that background applies for a job. Is that racist? It might be.. If i feel after the interview it could go the same way with that person as the people who where there before that person... Do I just have to go against my own experiences so people think of me as a good person? There is a business to run.. not a charity..
@@daanloco7200 there is NOTHING wrong with having an IN GROUP PREFERENCE. It’s LITERALLY normal and natural.
That first woman… anyone who would believe the first thing that came out of her mouth regarding the supposed shoplifting incident is a fool. It's completely unbelievable. She has a low regard for the rest of the world’s intellect. She does it because it works in the groups in which she operates.
I think the story came from her black friend. I don't think she actually witnessed it.
she also said someone catcalled her. this seems suss!
@@joesavage9148that was the craziest part of the whole video. No one cat called her…maybe a brotha would though
I felt like Peter was like Columbo trying to pry information out of the guy at the end.
Peter was a teacher of mine when I went to Portland State University. He’s a really good, honest guy.
I like this video series cause he’s passionately engaging. It’s genuine. Keep up the good work, Peter.
Yeah, he actually does a great job. Having never heard of the guy, I assumed this was going to be a "woke student gets pwned" type of video, "change my view" etc. But he really didn't seem to have that agenda; it was to ask questions to get the kids to explain THEIR views, which is cool.
Now in my view, that's giving them enough rope to hang themselves - but I don't think that's his intention here. It's just to have the conversation, which is really really positive to see.
And he's good at doing it; drawing them out but bringing it back to a grounded place where things can be explained in a fundamental way (if they can be!).
Anyway, it's cool that he was your teacher.
i can thoroughly recommend anything to do with SE, on any subject it is fascinating to see what and how people believe.
This is because students are being taught what to think, not how to think for themselves. Indoctrination as opposed to critical thinking.
I like pistol Pete Maravich #44
My daughter is currently at PSU. She was looking forward to Peter's classes. ...and then he left / was forced out >.
I love how these "systemic racism" believers, never want to put concrete definitions on these things... because then it can be analyzed, and once analyzed, it evaporates into nothingness. They're so intellectually dishonest.
That's right. Their currency is non falsifiable claims.
@@semosancus5506 explain to me when the inequality created by slavery was undone? certainly not with 40 acres and a mule
So me getting arrested 5 times in my life on drug/alcohol charges and not even spending a second in jail while a black teenager can get 15 years for an 8th of weed, isn’t part of a flawed system? The war on drugs was perfectly balanced in who it arrested?? Cmon…
@@tipsyt1909 15 years for an eighth of weed? 🤣Wow u are clueless.
To give the guy a break, I think what the student was looking for here is something like the incarceration rate, which disfavours black people particularly. i.e. 1 in 106 white men are incarcerated, while it's 1 in 15 of black men. Another example: The median net worth of black families is less than 15% of white families. When people say 'systemic' I believe this is what they are talking about. A system which consistenly (dis)favours certain certain racial groups. Now, imo it would be better to move past sayings like 'america is racist' and simply work on ways to make life better for everyone, regardless of race, i.e. focusing on wealth disparity broadly speaking.
For systemic racism, I can’t believe he didn’t think of drug laws and enforcement first. That is one area where there is a respectable claim to systemic inequality that is unique from other less tangible claims. It also isn’t an inequality that is explicitly based on race alone as it does affect groups differently, but is related to systemic and unscientific legal codes.
Or examples from medicine: doctors were underestimating blood loss in black women, for example, compared to white women. These aren't deliberate racism, but just ingrained assumptions we need to work out.
10:43 Yeah, I would not be able to handle this condescending Soy Boy getting up in my grill with his painted fingernails. Could not do it.
Oh, and systemic: "relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part"
Your level of patience Peter, is legendary!
Did anyone else facepalm the moment the lady said "I have a lot of "friends of colour"" right at the start? The irony in separating your friends in your mind due to their skin colour. The moment she said that, I knew where this was going.
This is kinda how I used to talk and think about politics when I was, oh I don’t know, 14/15/16… but now that I am 21 seeing people my age and older STILL having conversations at this intellectual level is so embarrassing and I honestly just feel bad for the future of this country and the future of my family. :(
Gladly there are people who never thought like that.
@@Isaac-eh6uu ok
1968.. 'the party'.. 'raise and HARVEST ignorance'.. grow them stupid and keep them stupid and use them as TOOLS in the division game you planned.
Wait until you get to 40.
The USA had ‘white only’ until the 1960’s. America is the most racist nation on earth. By miles. The corrupt police. Mass and school shootings. The American culture is diseased. The ones that realize this the least is Americans. 🤦🏼♂️
My new favorite videos on TH-cam absolutely essential work you’re doing
That poor guy in black, imagine not being able to articulate your strongest view. Wonder what he is studying.
"Why would I know something I don't agree with?"
Such a clearly close minded human.
Student: "I strongly agree that the United States is systemically racist."
Peter: "Okay, give me an example of a system in the U.S. that is racist."
Student: "Uh..."
This guy is a joke.
Ikr.
Smdh.
The judiciary, Jobs, arrests, one is too much.
Jobs are a system? Disnt know we had a job system in us
@@ex7229 Of course we have a system of jobs in the US? How else do you think Americans pay bills? Do you think it's just a random process each time you apply for a job or is there a system? Do you think that jobs have a meaningful connection to the US economy and the communities and the people within those communities?
The insane things people say in the echo chamber...
But he's smug and self-assured. lol
The guy really needs to look up the dunning-kruger effect.
I find it extremely troubling that her argument for what it would take to change her stance from agree to strongly agree is that she would "need to know more of what to say".
Your beliefs should never be based on knowing what to say, it should be about knowing what you are saying and why.
This guy thinks of himself as an intellectual yet has literally done no research to support his opinion. Amazing.
It's not the kids' fault. They were brainwashed by endless repeated viewings of George Floyd with a cop kneeling on his neck over and over and over and over. Kids are impressionable.
He has the look for sure, probably works on young girls in a bar but surely not around a truly educated person……
He's parroting what his teachers have said. Someone should tell him, "You're right, there's systemic racism in the higher education system! Against WHITES and ASIANS! It's quite pervasive."
What did you expect with how the schools work nowadays…
He just forgot is text a couple of times it s script
I know store security people. They never come over and ask you if you are shop lifting. They watch you until you go to leave the store without paying and escort you to their security room where they wait for the cops. Her story is hard to believe because it's the exact opposite of how stores train their security. Tbh it sounds like a teenager made up that story.
The patience of this man!!
That was really good, I think you made them both think.
By this guy’s definition any and everything could be “systemic” because everything could be described as a system.
I'm not sure whether it's a case of not being able to substantiate / define it, or a case of specifically wanting to avoid having a concrete definition nailed down. If there's a concrete definition for something, proving (or, disproving) its existence becomes possible. If no such concrete definition exists, you can keep equivocating until your interlocutor gives up and tries to get a sensible answer out of someone else.
Postmodernist mentality. Keep the definition broad (or keep it fluid and changeable) and sell your subjective reality as objective truth
He doesn't know what he's talking about. It's not really a fair video as Boghossian could've interviewed people who know the subject. Saying that, a truly woke person wouldn't engage in the interview.
So basically because he’s a student at that school, he is the school.
@@benhardy2040 I'm not sure who you're replying to, but at the same time, I can't see anyone in this thread making an assertion even close to what you appear to be asking. Are you sure that you responded to the right thread?
This is a master class on how to deconstruct rooted beliefs. Only questions, no affirmations, try as much as possible not to put them on defensive. Even in the end, never push the real data until the discussion is over and they genuinely asked for it => aka ready to process it and not reject the information immediatly. Good job.
I’m so sick of hearing these people talk about equality, you don’t believe in equality, you want equity. Huge difference.
Amen!
Great example of teaching people to think critically and to teach them to really provide evidence rather than base beliefs on feelings or what others think.
7:48 "she is describing a system". No she didn't she described two racist employees at a story, not a system. This the perfect example of anecdotal eveidence being used to describe our entire world.
Lmao exactly. “My friend was called spic by someone once or twice therefore America is racist”. These people have zero brain cells.
That story didn't sound remotely legit.
The girl is pretty reasonable. The boy isn't unreasonable just believed too much that he's been told without question.
"Excuse me are you shoplifting?" "No why?" "Well you're black".... Never happened in the history of ever.
Crikey those two people are EXHAUSTING. “This one time someone did a thing therefore the entire country is also this thing”
That guy was so confident the system was totally racist but couldn’t think of one example to support that.
Just kept saying the system and people do things within a system…
That gender studies degree is really shining through with that eloquent explanation lol
"You know...THE SYSTEM. It's THE SYSTEM. It's shaped like itself!"
@@Thom1212 explain to me when the inequality created by slavery was undone? certainly not with 40 acres and a mule
@@gnubbiersh647 when exactly was the world ever equal? Despite slavery are not the people currently occupying the US better off than their brethren in Africa?
@@gnubbiersh647 explain to me how “40 acres and a mule” would achieve that?
@@dustinmartin2369 that doesnt mean america isnt racist does it? You can have slaves that live in mansions theoretically
"I've particularly been studying gender relations at the moment" was all I needed to hear bruv
As Syrian watching American talking:
"I believe, I see, For Me, I think, for ME, I , I SAID, I feel,,, I don't feel, thats WHAT I SEE !. I , MEEEEE !! its I you know what is I meaning its ME my IDEA my feelings!"
There is effectively a 0% chance that she was cat called. I don't believe that for a second. Not her. There's just no way. lmao
Love this series. Socratic method executed perfectly. Incredible to see how shallow the reasoning is behind such strongly held beliefs.
these people aren't prepared to answer his questions. but it doesn't mean they are wrong. s systemic racism absolutely is a problem in america.
@itp5x5 so your position is that because these two people couldn't prove systemic racism, it means that systemic racism doesn't exist? how silly is that? You use of police killings statistics shows me that you have no idea how statistics works, and I would assume that you've never taken a statistics course in your life.
It is so great!
@@Kevinschart Bro do you know what systemic means? If this was actually systemic it would have been as obvious as china's oppression on their people, and theres no way we would get away with that. There is nothing about our system that targets ONE race and gives the rest an advantage.
Does racism exist? Yes, its prevalent. In no way is it systemic.
@@Kevinschart so then are you able to explain your stance by answering his questions? I would genuinely appreciate understanding the basis for your belief on America being systemically racist.
0:23 I don't believe that girl's story for one second. Not one second. Her and her black friend went into a store and the employees followed her black friend ans asked her if she was shoplifting and when she asked why, they told her because she is black. That NEVER happened! You know why I know. Because she already said they went SEPARATE ways in the store, so she didn't see anything. And like someone else pointed out, no one asks someone if they are shoplifting. They wait until they do, and then they detain the person. This is just total made-up nonsense.
Of course it’s nonsense. I’m sure her black friend told her it. In the town where I work as a cop I hear all the time how us cops beat black kids, insult and follow them. In 27 years it hasn’t happened once that I’ve seen.
People know if they lie and say they are victim they get privileges. Unfortunately young woman have weak bullshit detectors
She is full of shit.
Ehh her friend could have told her
"they told her because she is black", that's probably the biggest tell right there, an actual racist doesn't just say "hey I'm doing this because you're black!". That's just stupid, it's 2022 .
I believe that’s how she remembers it.
I’m impressed that these kids didn’t run away.
We act like we’re the first culture that wants to win. Everybody wants to win. Everybody wants to be in charge!!!
All cultures/races Want to be in charge of their own destiny and prosperity!
This is exactly why I decided to NOT send my son to college. I gave him the $30k I had saved for his college fund so he can start his own business. I’m not having my only child destroyed with my own money. These people are saying that they often see things that I’ve NEVER SEEN in my entire life and I live in the South!!!
It's like he's talking to little children, they have no idea what they're saying.
As a minority, I know that these people mean well and want to help… but they’re not doing it the right way by thinking america is racist.
There are racist people, but america is the land of opportunities… most small businesses opened are by immigrants aka minorities.
It’s not our skin color that gets us harmed, it’s our beliefs and culture… some part of American culture glorifies violence and committing crime, and it’s seen in music and movies etc.
We must not blame america but blame the people who teach these negative culture to our young.
Hopefully these people will eventually see the truth.
I'm a Black guy. I don't think they mean well at all. They have adopted this as a personality to mask whatever insecurities they have. Taking on a nebulous issue like racism that increasingly means whatever they want it to mean is a perfect way to seem like you want change. But whenever they are confronted with ideas they haven't had jammed into their brains they lash out. I'm black, you should see how they talk to me when I disagree. They show their hand everytime.
@@aperson2943 right these are the same people who would say "I dont see skin color"
I would argue they're hurting far more than they're helping with thier smug ignorance. I'm white, but I'm a gay man, so I can't speak to thier effect on racial equality, but I can speak to what they've done for gay rights. These are the people who blindly parrot whatever trendy social justice hackery they've been programmed with without actually listening to the people they're speaking for. They are literally advocating for pedophile acceptance, not necessarily legalization per se, in these vaunted academic circles. They have literally undone decades of hard work by the LGBT community to break the awful stereotype that gays are pedophiles because instead of actually listening to us, they speak over us because they think they're helping and they believe their voice will be heard more than ours.
For the first time in literal decades, LGBT acceptance has fallen because of these people.
@@aperson2943 I don't think it's entirely their fault. They've been told that they have to think and act this way in order to stay in the "safe" lane, plus call out anyone who isn't riding in that lane, so it's become more about routine than situational awareness and presence. I think the shifting definition/misuse of "racism" to fit whatever set of circumstances IS a big part of the problem. It's not doing anyone any favors.
@@aperson2943 I think you are right. Usually these people also don't do anything to really help minorities.
“2 of them immediately followed her”
Hmmm, sounds a bit much, but one following her sounds legit.
“They straight up asked her ‘are you shoplifting’ “
That sounds rather strange
“She asked why they asked her that and they flat out stated it was because she was black”
Okay, this story is clearly cap
I'm sorry, but I couldn't stop laughing at 1:50. Why'd he give him a look like he'd just thrown down the coldest bar ever?
girl said "Prejudism" with such confidence
You caught that too, huh? I actually giggled when it happened.
Sure, but who cares? She wasn't being rude or condescending and prejudice is interchangeable in the context she used the made-up word.
Lol yep. I noticed too.
@@mcbattles
She should care. The point of communication is to move an idea from one person to another. On a topic of such importance all primary definitions should be used with actual knowledge.
However, when people have an ideology built upon a sandy foundation but pontificate to others from a seat of moral authority it only reveals how ignorant they are and it undermines the very ideology they are attempting to propagate.
So who cares? Anyone who loves truth and desires to discern good vs evil.
Evil has no foundation and therefore masks its weakness with confusion using complex phrases, words, etc. When a person goes beyond their wheelhouse of knowledge because of pride...that is spiritual evidence that they are deceivers or are deceived.
@@JAGChristianos wtf are you talking about lol someone saying "prejudism" doesn't undermine their point. It's like a typo or technicality being used to invalidate an argument alone. It's dumb.
This kids need to travel, see the world and how it works outside the US and Europe. Easier to define systems of oppression after that.
What is "accused of shoplifting just because you're black"? The jeopardy question to the $2000 category answer in, "Things that Never Happened".
How did these kids get into uni? The standards must be very low in there.