One thing I'm realizing with these videos is how good our students are at being verbose while saying very little. Their vocabularies are getting bigger but the arguments remain shallow.
that's because they don't really know why they so ardently believe the things they supposedly believe. They're told to believe racism is prevalent because black ppl tell them so. These black ppl don't have any statistics to support their claims.
It’s called sophistry, it’s a hallmark of the American intelligentsia. They also love to make an argument and then find research to prove their point instead of actually investigating.
i'm conflicted. she seems like an honest enough person, and i've seen people doing way wackier shit than that online, but that part of the story does seem off.
Fact she thought it believable is embarrassing. Poor girl shoulda been happy she was cat called cuz I bet she's another lonely girl living with her cats
Holy fucking shit it was soooooo fucking hard to listen to this guy in the sunglasses. He truly doesn't understand why he believes things. Its obvious his beliefs are adopted and that he did not genuinely arrive at this conclusion through his own thoughts. He just likes how the virtue signalling makes him feel.
This is why conversations are important. The younger man and woman have parroted an idea but can’t explain the idea that they went along with so they wouldn’t make waves. If you can’t defend your beliefs, you probably shouldn’t “strongly agree” with your beliefs.
Watching your videos is like watching adults trying to think for the first time in their life. Something that should've happen in primary/secondary school. You're teaching Americans think. One person at the time. Good job
You are correct. These kids can barely string together whole sentences without blurting out the approved buzz words. Add to that the guy trying so hard to sound smart. I think we're screwed for about 50 years at minimum.
He could just be bored. He is so sure of his “ideology” (the word used endlessly by the girl to mean “ideas, opinions, feelings, positions” ) that the entire discussion is below him.
The fact that someone like this young man can believe so strongly in something he knows nothing about, use words he doesn't understand to support such a belief and debate that in public shows how doomed academia is.
The education system has removed critical thinking and replaced it with "passionate" thinking. Truth and reality doesn't matter. Only how much passion you have and display of it. Their using emotional "support" as a political tool. Basically political grooming.
Look at ¿his? mannerisms and overall behavioral persona analysis. The beaten pose, the painted black nails... Sad to see him brainwashed by academia. It's a shame. He has a blessed hairline and a good beard possibility. Meaning all the Soy consumption has not yet affected him fully. If he would work his body and ditch his wokeness he'd still have a chance at becoming a Chad.
The young man is a perfect example of what happens when you teach students what to think rather than how to think. He has all the required phrases, but he can't explain himself in a coherent way.
He, or it at this point is an example of the complete and utter pussifacation of the male existence in America. Too much soy, Adderall, helicopter parents. Marx was right, society makes man in turn man makes society repeat repeat. The left has had the reigns for at least 60 years and that thing that a strong fart will tople is the product.
This guy is so sure of his position on systemic racism but he still hasn’t come close to defining it other than his feelings about it,which is usually what this boils down to,,,feelings
Yeah, I changed my opinion. The young dude is a jerk. Not only is he your typical entitled know it all, convinced that his basic level of jargon makes him an expert. He's also convinced that he is the only one with anything worth listening to. Notice that when he's not talking, he's skipping, playing with his hair, etc. And he relentlessly pushes his own undefined (ie he can't explain anything he says) ideas and then just dismisses out of hand any attempt to challenge or quantify his statements.
He's life a sponge that learns and repeats everything he learns at gender relations. And at one point you can know his answers on questions being asked to him
Look at his behavior and body language. That’s a guy who’s living his life in constant fear. He’s been convinced that the world is threatening dangerous place.
This is why it is SO important to include critical thinking in education instead of just teaching words and theories. People need to know how to listen, think, and explain, not just regurgitate.
I’m impressed that both of these guests didn’t resort to emotional outbursts and tried to reason their way through the conversation in a polite way. Bear in mind, this might be the first time in their lives that they’ve ever had to apply critical thinking to a topic that has been preached to them as fact.
I have no idea how you can feel so strongly about a thing like “systemic racism” existing and not be able to describe the characteristics or details of it.
@@Apriluser for sure. You can always tell when you peel back the first layer of the their rhetoric and theirs no foundation or fact behind it. Reminds me of the gun debate…when things get even slightly detailed, the gun control advocates usually answers with something like “well, I don’t really know anything about guns”
I don’t agree with the guy, but I could define it if I wanted to. There are many arguments to say America is racist. I could stand on either side and argue in favor. But these people have no logical reasoning. There is no debate. They repeat slogans.
@@niftygrower2745 I just don’t know how you could declare an entire country is racist based on a very small minority of its citizens being racist. Do we have what we could call a racist history or past? Sure, but so does every other country. Currently, I don’t see how anyone could declare the country is racist. If it is, those that believe it better inform all the immigrants trying to come here
Peter was a teacher of mine when I went to Portland State University. He’s a really good, honest guy. I like this video series cause he’s passionately engaging. It’s genuine. Keep up the good work, Peter.
Yeah, he actually does a great job. Having never heard of the guy, I assumed this was going to be a "woke student gets pwned" type of video, "change my view" etc. But he really didn't seem to have that agenda; it was to ask questions to get the kids to explain THEIR views, which is cool. Now in my view, that's giving them enough rope to hang themselves - but I don't think that's his intention here. It's just to have the conversation, which is really really positive to see. And he's good at doing it; drawing them out but bringing it back to a grounded place where things can be explained in a fundamental way (if they can be!). Anyway, it's cool that he was your teacher.
As confused as the gentleman in the dark glasses is, there is something to this utterance. Consider the following observation from Karl Popper: "Often [Marxian economism] is...interpreted as the doctrine that all social development depends upon that of economic conditions, and especially upon the development of the physical means of production. But such a doctrine is palpably false. *There is an interaction between economic conditions and ideas, and not simply a unilateral dependence of the latter on the former.* [Emphasis added]" *The Open Society and Its Enemies* Routledge Classics Edition. Oxford, UK: Routledge. 2011. First Published by Routledge and Kegan Paul 1945. Vol II The High Tide of Prophecy Ch 15 "Economic Historicism."
When the young man didn't know what facts could possibly change his mind, Peter nailed it with "wouldn't you want to know the conditions under which your belief is false in order to justify confidence in the belief?"
@SEELAYTRAY777 It wasn't his argument to explain. He was using whatabout-ism, as you put it, to try and get some actual evidence or examples from the guy who was so strongly convinced that America is systemically racist, but yet couldn't actually define or give any evidence to support it. THAT is the issue. Peter spent a good 5-6 minutes trying to get through to him that racist people within a system, does not constitute the system itself being racist. It's painful to watch. People need to start using their brains and be able to back up the claims they make, instead of following sheep ideologies 🤷♂️
One of the biggest lessons I learnt in life was that admitting not knowing things (even things that you should know or are obvious) commands far more respect than going on like you do.
I just don’t understand this need to know everything, if someone confronts me on the street and asks ”what do you think of the current president of Tajikistan Emomalii Rahmon?” I would be the first one to say ”I have no idea”…
Bingo. I had to learn this the embarrassing way. I was a know-it-all in my 20s and even into my 30s. I eventually realized many of my most passionately held beliefs were built on a foundation of quicksand. The older we get, the more we know we don’t know.
I am Mexican,my parents were born in Mexico.When they got their citizenship we moved to 3 different states in my life as a kid.Some neighborhoods were a Latin mix ,some African Americans with latins ,and also white Americans.With that being said the racism I experienced was from my own Latin community and I also saw a lot of racism between the African Americans and Latins.The reality is racism is in every culture.
I'm white and when I grew up I literally never heard any racist thing uttered about any minority. When I had more encounters with particularly black people I was told so often that I hated them. It was baffling for me. I was literally so freaking confused. They would tell me I knew things I'd never even heard. And then in my mostly black high school high school the black kids were absolutely vile towards the white kids. I was badly bullied for being white. I still didn't hate black people because hating a race is incredibly stupid. The Latinos never bothered anybody. Oh, and these black kids lived in nicer houses than mine. Had their lives really been that bad that they had to hate people?
@@amarya86 I really don't understand how this guy is in the educational system. Maybe he was just passing by and doesn't understand the word and needed a definition
Don’t forget hiring quotas, catch and release policies, funding for special interest groups, showing faces of criminals on media, general media applause and bias
You are correct this does occur but as they say you can't be racist against white people. Seriously, everyone has the potential to be racist. My personal belief is America is not separated by race so much as it is by being poor or rich. I know many rich black people that if they were to be pulled over by the cops they wouldn't get in trouble but yet a poor white person would. You could claim that sports are racist as many blacks make better athletes due to their natural physical makeup. There have been studies regarding blacks and their muscle fibers vs. whites. We are all human and all have advantages and disadvantages to others due to our genes given to us by God. I served in the military and traveled the world. I can assure you racism exists around the world. You will never stamp it out. The one thing we can do as humans is to start learning to love one another and start looking at the character of the person before you look at the skin/outward appearance. This is very hard to do and overcome because your visual is always your first impression of someone.
@@ams914 Circular reasonings as well as circular definitions. “A woman is a woman”. Well if you identify as a woman, what are you identifying as? “A woman”. What is that? “A woman”
@Auspician we know the Bible is real because so many people actually turn to Christ they talk in tongue they found Noah's ark by the way so there lying about that if so what is the meaning for them lying
@@shawnhutchins1972 None of that would hold up in court. We know the Bible is true because of fulfilled prophesy. Nobody today can speak in a language that they've never learned or studied.
I love how this isn't about gotcha-isms - this is about penetrating their opinions with questions, and asking people to think about what they think. It's a fascinating watch!
Unfortunately, asking penetrating questions to people who don’t question their own opinions can seem like “gotchas” to them. Peter is definitely wrapping his questions in a certain “playing stupid and innocent” coating.
@@randomactsofriding4850 7:09 Absolute critical thinking fail. 😂 So many, but that one is beautiful. *Edit* Ohh, 12:08 is even better. This guy cannot stay on point. Great hair though, I am legitimately impressed.
This is the prob with social media, and when you have a whole generation forming their beliefs based off of little 15 second woke shorts on youtube they watch all day. Then cannot explain their claim
That kid really WANTS to know what he's talking about. He probably thought he totally had it all figured out until someone finally tries to get him to explain himself. This is why it's important to take a look at different sides of an issue rather than simply parroting the same buzz words and talking points you've heard over and over.
As a software dev I learned early on when struggling with a problem, if I try explaining an issue to someone else who knows nothing about it you look at it differently, which can really help you understand it better. These kids need to apply something similar, if you can't explain it you don't understand it.
Absolutely - I went through the university and I left feeling confident about a bunch of conclusions. What you don't get is how the logic follows, you just get bad conclusions based on faulty premises based on non-emperical research methods like "auto ethnography" which is basically a diary entry which is treated like serious research.
The male student wanted Peter to change the claim from “America” to “Americans” as if that would clarify his vague assertions. If anything, it would have made it worse. “America” is more broad-based, which is better for his word salad definitions of “systemic”. “Americans” is more specific, and he’d have to explain how all races that exist under the “Americans” umbrella, including black, hispanic, asian, etc. are all racist under his assertion. He’d likely have to insist that Peter change the board again from “Americans” to “White Americans” in order to move the goalposts closer to what he really believes.
Have you noticed how inarticulate they are? Even non-leftists. “So like… if we like… look at the two sides of the argument… as like a dichotomy… two opposing ideas… then like… I feel that’s a conversation that can like open doors to better dialogue and like… can bring ideas to the forefront which reflects everyone’s lived experience and not just those who might like… feel their opinions are not being heard.” People didn’t talk like this in decades gone by. Charlie Manson’s girls were poets compared to these drones.
@@petelovatt8357 Exactly , what they teach sounds more like a recipe for how to become a procrastinator that's going to need goverment issued life support to survive because they can't make decissions and go with the best working ideas to create and produce something of value, instead they get stucked and only going to repeat ideological ideas that their teachers told was "the truth", what's really happens is thst they want us to welcome to an tribe of screaming parrots that are unable to evaluate things in life, and we are going to see a lot of history falsification from thoose leading this movement, it strange for someone that are curious and want knowledge that it's way harder today to find real knowledge about a lot of subjects and sciences than it was 20 years ago, it's both hide in links that don't comes up with a google search the way it showed up than and it's also way more restricted to who can read it, I can search for dpecific things I searched for back then and instead of getting something with substance I get drowned in weird shit from bloggers or what "self declared genious" celebritys have an opinion on the subject even if it's clear they just haven't got sny clue what they talking about it's only opinion they made up on the go about it, and even libraries have start to sort out and leave some good books and instead replacet it with ideological opinionated missleading writing, it's like they hate facts that tells us what really going on in a subject with what they want us to belive happens instead, for someone that wants to learn knowledge to better navigate in life it's a disaster on the horizons, they may teach you one speciallity so you can be competent at a specific job but you are not allowed to have a greater knowledge and be able to put it into a context and understand what's going on, that's what they offer for the younger generations that grows up nowadays, that together with the fact that politicians want to have the totalitarian power over everything in the society the Police, the justice system, the school system, the cultural institutions, the media, so they can bann every person that don't knee inbrott of them and oberoende everything they say, all in the seducing sentence "for the greater good" but forgett to tell that sentence was also used by the most tyrannical regimes like Nazi Germany National Socialism or Stalinistic Soviet Marxust Communist Socialist or Communist Chinas Maoist Socialism that trio who commited the three biggest genocides in human history.
@@marccovitz5289 No. “Systematically” is perfectly fine. The word was used for hundreds of years before leftists decided to make “systemic” a trendy word. They basically mean the same thing, although blue haired folk will try and make a distinction.
For the last 5-6 years after constantly hearing people talk about systemic racism, I always ask "What proof do we have?" And not once has anyone ever given me a legitimate answer.
I have a legitimate answer. Race based quotas for work and school. Racism is treating people based on there race. Although I doubt that is what those people where referring to.
^ An example of a system put in place to keep minorities down. I can think of one, that being welfare but for whatever reason leftists actually LIKE that one.
There seems to be a direct correlation with people who think like this and physical body type. Big strong, confident men, seem to never think like this.
This is a master class on how to deconstruct rooted beliefs. Only questions, no affirmations, try as much as possible not to put them on defensive. Even in the end, never push the real data until the discussion is over and they genuinely asked for it => aka ready to process it and not reject the information immediatly. Good job.
This is kinda how I used to talk and think about politics when I was, oh I don’t know, 14/15/16… but now that I am 21 seeing people my age and older STILL having conversations at this intellectual level is so embarrassing and I honestly just feel bad for the future of this country and the future of my family. :(
The USA had ‘white only’ until the 1960’s. America is the most racist nation on earth. By miles. The corrupt police. Mass and school shootings. The American culture is diseased. The ones that realize this the least is Americans. 🤦🏼♂️
@@yacheritsi That right. Asking to back-up your belief is in itself a systemic (pick any bad thing). I think a lot of people mean well but are just fools.
@itp5x5 so your position is that because these two people couldn't prove systemic racism, it means that systemic racism doesn't exist? how silly is that? You use of police killings statistics shows me that you have no idea how statistics works, and I would assume that you've never taken a statistics course in your life.
@@Kevinschart Bro do you know what systemic means? If this was actually systemic it would have been as obvious as china's oppression on their people, and theres no way we would get away with that. There is nothing about our system that targets ONE race and gives the rest an advantage. Does racism exist? Yes, its prevalent. In no way is it systemic.
@@Kevinschart so then are you able to explain your stance by answering his questions? I would genuinely appreciate understanding the basis for your belief on America being systemically racist.
The pretentious personality this dude developed for himself as a mask for his insecurities should be addressed. Those people are the ones that grow to violence when they feel invalidated.
Hunched down shoulders, looking around wildly hands covering the softest spot of his body in a defensive Gesture, He just radiates self loathing anger and insecurity
I know what he means by “systemic” I study the left. “Systemic racism ” is actually the bad reputation of blacks ( that they did to themselves ) that causes society ( the system) ( the social system ) to treat them differently. The left doesn’t want anyone to have thoughts of blacks having a bad reputation even though they often do. Not always, but often or sometimes. The truth is most people disregard their bad reputation treating blacks the same as they do anyone else. However … some times when “some people” interact with blacks the thoughts of it surfaces and people’s discernment (knowledge based discrimination) is exercised.
People are desperate to belong, to make sense of things and to help others. Yet, so many are so distracted, so bogged down with 'content' and just problems of life, while they get told their whole lives to sit down, shut up and repeat after me. Most young people today have no idea who they actually are. That's why they scream to be listened to, to be 'validated' in their existentialist turmoil. They've spent their whole lives being told that everything is awful because the last generation wasn't as enlightened as we are today. They're told that knowledge is wisdom, and validation is worth. Is it any wonder that every time they are confronted with the smallest bit of reality, they just shut down?
@@rongt859 ANTI-WHITE "Diversity" quotas for businesses, Black only scholorships, the Vice President of the United States was chosen because of her skin color.
That guy was so confident the system was totally racist but couldn’t think of one example to support that. Just kept saying the system and people do things within a system… That gender studies degree is really shining through with that eloquent explanation lol
@@gnubbiersh647 when exactly was the world ever equal? Despite slavery are not the people currently occupying the US better off than their brethren in Africa?
I'm not sure whether it's a case of not being able to substantiate / define it, or a case of specifically wanting to avoid having a concrete definition nailed down. If there's a concrete definition for something, proving (or, disproving) its existence becomes possible. If no such concrete definition exists, you can keep equivocating until your interlocutor gives up and tries to get a sensible answer out of someone else.
He doesn't know what he's talking about. It's not really a fair video as Boghossian could've interviewed people who know the subject. Saying that, a truly woke person wouldn't engage in the interview.
@@benhardy2040 I'm not sure who you're replying to, but at the same time, I can't see anyone in this thread making an assertion even close to what you appear to be asking. Are you sure that you responded to the right thread?
I love how these "systemic racism" believers, never want to put concrete definitions on these things... because then it can be analyzed, and once analyzed, it evaporates into nothingness. They're so intellectually dishonest.
So me getting arrested 5 times in my life on drug/alcohol charges and not even spending a second in jail while a black teenager can get 15 years for an 8th of weed, isn’t part of a flawed system? The war on drugs was perfectly balanced in who it arrested?? Cmon…
To give the guy a break, I think what the student was looking for here is something like the incarceration rate, which disfavours black people particularly. i.e. 1 in 106 white men are incarcerated, while it's 1 in 15 of black men. Another example: The median net worth of black families is less than 15% of white families. When people say 'systemic' I believe this is what they are talking about. A system which consistenly (dis)favours certain certain racial groups. Now, imo it would be better to move past sayings like 'america is racist' and simply work on ways to make life better for everyone, regardless of race, i.e. focusing on wealth disparity broadly speaking.
_"Are you stealing?” “No, why do you ask?” “Because you’re black."_ _"There was a catcalling incident....I was being catcalled."_ *I'll take events that never happened for $100, Alex*
100 if they are scared of thrm.. they will follow they won't confront like that. And from experience these stores they have reasons for their assumptions. It didn't come from no where.
@@npcimknot958 And if you ask 100 people if they are shoplifting 100 of them will answer no. who would ever ask something like that? or straight out say we profile you because you are black? They may think it, but saying it is highly doubtful. And who catcalls a land whale?
@@npcimknot958 its funny you said that because when i was 16, this white girl i was dating would ask me to just walk to the store after her, and as soon as i step in the security would follow me and she used to clear the store like its nothing. i think this lady exaggerate but the fact of the matter is it does happen.
@@animalworld5296 I got followed and watched when I was a teenager. I'm mixed, but definitely passing. It was because of how I dressed, carried myself, age, etc. It had nothing to do with my race. To automatically jump to that conclusion without noting anything else is dishonest and says more about your mind then the people you're accusing.
I have to give them credit for even being willing to engage, not call names, not getting emotional, and recognizing that their personal experiences aren't evidence.
Yes, I strongly agree that the U.S. (in the modern time) is a racist country. Examples of Systemic Racism: 1: Affirmative Action, which forces companies/organizations to hire employees (qualified or not) based on the race of the applicants. 2: Ivy League Universities' policy in accepting the applicants based on race. Ex: Asian students must score 140 points higher than white students, 320 points higher than Hispanic students, and 450 points higher than black students on the SAT to even be considered in getting accepted into those top schools. Then, everyone has either positive/negative stereotypes about others (generally, stereotype is based on some truths, but not necessary the whole truth). White - Privileged, wealthy, racists, mass shooters, serial killers etc. Black - Poor, uneducated, criminals, no father in the home, big d*ck, good in sports, cannot be racist etc. Hispanic/Latinos - Illegal immigrants, members of drug cartels, hard workers, menial job workers etc. Asians - Smart, educated, suck at sports & driving, cheapskate, small d*ck etc. Native Americans - Poor, illiterate, alcoholics etc. So, based on my assumptions, U.S. is a racist country. However, having lived in 5 different countries (for more than a year) and been to over 50 different countries around the world, I also believe that every single country is racist/prejudice in one form or another.
Yes, I agree that the programs you mentioned are racist programs. You won't get a lot of people to agree with that. Because they benefit from those programs and otherwise wouldn't it's not seen as racist.
0:23 I don't believe that girl's story for one second. Not one second. Her and her black friend went into a store and the employees followed her black friend ans asked her if she was shoplifting and when she asked why, they told her because she is black. That NEVER happened! You know why I know. Because she already said they went SEPARATE ways in the store, so she didn't see anything. And like someone else pointed out, no one asks someone if they are shoplifting. They wait until they do, and then they detain the person. This is just total made-up nonsense.
Of course it’s nonsense. I’m sure her black friend told her it. In the town where I work as a cop I hear all the time how us cops beat black kids, insult and follow them. In 27 years it hasn’t happened once that I’ve seen. People know if they lie and say they are victim they get privileges. Unfortunately young woman have weak bullshit detectors
"they told her because she is black", that's probably the biggest tell right there, an actual racist doesn't just say "hey I'm doing this because you're black!". That's just stupid, it's 2022 .
Even if her “story” was true, it would not a single bit prove a “systemic” racism but only “personal” racism, which btw is also a thing among black People towards white or Asian people. All over the world.
For real. Most of these folks crying about systemic racism have never left America to realize that America is vastly less racist than MOST of the world 😂
@@TheTruthisLord no it wouldn't. It would only be systemic / systematic, if there's a sytem in place, which means that people are encouraged to be racist by their employers, bosses etc. or even only installed in their institution if they are in fact racist. "Americans are racist" is what you mean to say, but the statement is "America is systemic racist" which means it's not about the individual person but it's an a priori racist system, even if it's not yet filled with people.
Student: "I strongly agree that the United States is systemically racist." Peter: "Okay, give me an example of a system in the U.S. that is racist." Student: "Uh..." This guy is a joke.
@@ex7229 Of course we have a system of jobs in the US? How else do you think Americans pay bills? Do you think it's just a random process each time you apply for a job or is there a system? Do you think that jobs have a meaningful connection to the US economy and the communities and the people within those communities? The insane things people say in the echo chamber...
@@dcoughla681 that the thing - she's making it up. and, i wish he'd have asked both of the people WHY they live in the US if it's SO "racist". so, many of these fools go on about how bad it is in the US; but they never leave. i'd also have asked them why millions of immigrants risk their lives to try and sneak into the US if it's so bad?
The fact that he quoted Monty Python “come and see the violence inherent in the system” and didn’t connect this to classism and not race is so interesting to me. It’s always been about class
7:48 "she is describing a system". No she didn't she described two racist employees at a story, not a system. This the perfect example of anecdotal eveidence being used to describe our entire world.
As a minority, I know that these people mean well and want to help… but they’re not doing it the right way by thinking america is racist. There are racist people, but america is the land of opportunities… most small businesses opened are by immigrants aka minorities. It’s not our skin color that gets us harmed, it’s our beliefs and culture… some part of American culture glorifies violence and committing crime, and it’s seen in music and movies etc. We must not blame america but blame the people who teach these negative culture to our young. Hopefully these people will eventually see the truth.
I'm a Black guy. I don't think they mean well at all. They have adopted this as a personality to mask whatever insecurities they have. Taking on a nebulous issue like racism that increasingly means whatever they want it to mean is a perfect way to seem like you want change. But whenever they are confronted with ideas they haven't had jammed into their brains they lash out. I'm black, you should see how they talk to me when I disagree. They show their hand everytime.
I would argue they're hurting far more than they're helping with thier smug ignorance. I'm white, but I'm a gay man, so I can't speak to thier effect on racial equality, but I can speak to what they've done for gay rights. These are the people who blindly parrot whatever trendy social justice hackery they've been programmed with without actually listening to the people they're speaking for. They are literally advocating for pedophile acceptance, not necessarily legalization per se, in these vaunted academic circles. They have literally undone decades of hard work by the LGBT community to break the awful stereotype that gays are pedophiles because instead of actually listening to us, they speak over us because they think they're helping and they believe their voice will be heard more than ours. For the first time in literal decades, LGBT acceptance has fallen because of these people.
@@ARealPersonNotABot I don't think it's entirely their fault. They've been told that they have to think and act this way in order to stay in the "safe" lane, plus call out anyone who isn't riding in that lane, so it's become more about routine than situational awareness and presence. I think the shifting definition/misuse of "racism" to fit whatever set of circumstances IS a big part of the problem. It's not doing anyone any favors.
Listening to this man talk is one of the most painful things I’ve ever heard of my entire life. This is every friend I’ve ever had that wanted to sound smarter than they are when arguing lol
I’m a black guy and the people in stores do follow me around but there’s a 0% chance that if I asked them why they were following me that they would openly admit it’s because I’m black.
Her story could be true. The issue is if all you have are your own anecdotes to support such a bold claim of systematic racism. What she said could be 100% true and proof of nothing on a systemic level if it can't be buttressed with facts.
When I was a 12 year-old white kid in a Woolworth’s in downtown Minneapolis in 1973 thinking about stuffing a $7.99 football into the $2.99 football’s box, but ultimately putting them both back in their proper boxes, the enormous black security guard at the door looked down on me as I walked out. He said, “You’re lucky kid”. Maybe he was racist- but he was right.
Even though it's wrong, there could be a personal reason for someone to act like some kind of racist person. I run my own business and have had some trouble with employees of a certain background, that fact makes me think twice if someone of that background applies for a job. Is that racist? It might be.. If i feel after the interview it could go the same way with that person as the people who where there before that person... Do I just have to go against my own experiences so people think of me as a good person? There is a business to run.. not a charity..
That guy couldn’t give a straight answer if his life depended on it. Still waiting for him to come up with a _single_ example of what he claims marks the entire ‘system’
I know store security people. They never come over and ask you if you are shop lifting. They watch you until you go to leave the store without paying and escort you to their security room where they wait for the cops. Her story is hard to believe because it's the exact opposite of how stores train their security. Tbh it sounds like a teenager made up that story.
I think she's flat out lying, too. Sounds like they went shopping in high school, so they probably had backpacks, & could've been followed. I've been followed many times shopping. I've never thought, it was my skin color. I think she flat out lied, when she got to the party acting like they stopped her & said, because she's black.
It's not the kids' fault. They were brainwashed by endless repeated viewings of George Floyd with a cop kneeling on his neck over and over and over and over. Kids are impressionable.
He's parroting what his teachers have said. Someone should tell him, "You're right, there's systemic racism in the higher education system! Against WHITES and ASIANS! It's quite pervasive."
Literally? Jessie Lee Peterson, Larry Elder, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Dave Rubin, Tim Poole... all guys that have been around for years that do on a daily basis exactly what you claim this country needs. This country needs more people to be accountable for their own statements and actions. Stop passing the buck. Run for local office and be what this country needs
@@CTuna-uo3pq I get that and I believe those guys u listed are telling the truth but this guys approach cuts deeper. he doesn't argue or try to correct them. you wouldn't know where he stand. He genuinely wants to understand peoples argument and encourage people to provide reason for there claims. all I am trying to say is more people would change their mind with this approach than a debate.
Did anyone else facepalm the moment the lady said "I have a lot of "friends of colour"" right at the start? The irony in separating your friends in your mind due to their skin colour. The moment she said that, I knew where this was going.
12:47 The student repeatedly alleges systemic racism, but is beleaguered when attempting to identify a system that is inherently racist. A textbook example of cognitive dissonance.
It is repeating a cultural trope and then when asked to define it, he is at a loss for words. This can only in a world where we have comfortably lost a grip on objective truth.
We're humans, humans are in the system and therefore it's systemic. This line alone is just nonsense to me and completely makes the word systemic worthless.
A textbook example of emotional programming...they have had this lie repeated to them ad nauseam in school, in media, by their peers, possibly by their family, and by others similarly programmed or by those who stand to benefit from this claim (aka race hustlers.) The emotional certainty comes first and its presence excuses the need for facts in most peoples' minds. I was completely programmed to find Fox News emotionally repugnant; to a lesser extent, I was also molded to find the Republican Party repugnant, and basically anything and everything Right Wing. I didn't really overcome this until I moved abroad and was in my early to mid 30s; the election of 2016 and the 2 years leading up to it were watershed moments for me as I simply couldn't find any evidence of Pres. Trump being anything like the ultra-racist he was claimed to be; his dramatic shift in public stature as well was baffling, going from somebody that black American culture routinely mentioned in music, looked up to, gave awards to...to worst than Hitler? The pattern of calling EVERY Republican candidate worse than Hitler was laid bare. All the nonsense started unravelling very quickly after that. But these sheltered children with their closed, know-it-all mindsets and their smug moral complacency...I wonder if they will ever have moments of clarity to recognize the depths of their own biases and the staggering extent to which they have been emotionally manipulated. I wonder if anything will ever make them understand the fact that they are essentially ideological robots, or puppets, maybe, for the Left.
@Outstanding Results Coaching Doing so would require the student to examine the validity of his beliefs and consider the likelihood (however traumatizing) that one or more of his propagandist professors might be wrong. Thank you for your response.
I love seeing someone realize for the first time that they need to know how their ideas could be torn apart to be able to truly hold the view they have. This guy got a good dose of it live here.
Who is the lad with the glasses? He's great. He really had me at first, then i realised it was a performance and im very impressed. He really captures the vagueness of thought, and cleverly worded nonsense you hear from people like that. He's nailed the costume and hair and mannerisms too. Has he got a channel? i'd watch more of him ridiculing idiots.
"The most liberal and tolerant societies in human history are now unified in being portrayed as the most oppressive and bigoted societies ever" -- Douglas Murray
Wow. Asking questions opens people up to their own assumptions. It encourages critical thought. And it wasn’t combative. And defining terms. Having them define terms is also paramount for critical thinking. Good exercise. For both sides - the questioner and the persons being questioned. Excellent.
I live in very rural east Tennessee and I've never seen anyone act like she is saying happens in Orgeon. I'm calling total bullshit on her. No, actually, I'm calling her a liar.
I grew up a ward of the commonwealth. A white kid surrounded by blacks Asians and Hispanics. Only blatant racism I ever saw was black on white black on Hispanic and black on Asian.
These sessions are just brilliant Peter! A master class in interview technique. I can’t get enough of them. I commend both of these young people too for their sincerity & obvious preparedness to consider what was being asked of them. It was almost possible to hear the young man’s brain fizz as he paced back and forth. And a light bulb right at the end when you posed the more important question about why the number of interactions is a critical thing to explore. It would be great to follow up with participants in a ‘what happened next’ type of series, once you’re done with this tour (& have the energy/inclination). Thank you though for doing this work.
@@drpeterboghossian Do any of your books address how others can implement your technique? I want to learn from you how I, too, can engage in similar conversations. Teach me how to Bogho!
in the context of this conversation America would have to not be America which is just a pointless road to go down. What is the rhetorical argument there? "If America was Zambia then you would be wrong buddy!"
@@Theyungcity23 guess you missed the point too! Il let you figure it out yourself. Sit back rela and ponder on it. You will understand that statement eventually, I have hope in you :)
@@gxqx797 You've missed the point of my comment. But instead of having a conversation I'll just let you ponder what I was getting at. Sadly that means I will have to wonder what this "statement" is that you're saying I misunderstood because I was replying to a comment that was appreciating a question and that question was not a statement. I wasn't referring to any statement either in my comment but alas. If only there were some way...
@@Theyungcity23 the statement that was made essentially means when you affirm something to be true, you need to be aware of why it cannot be true. If everything were true, then nothing would be true. Maybe an easier way to conceptualise it is if everything was considered good, then nothing would be considered 'good'. We need diachotomies to be able to understand things. Thats essentially what was being highlighted there
That's the scientific way to search for what thing are and work, if it can't be questioned it can't be scientifically proven either, a thing or thought that can't be questioned is just a belife and nothing else. History repeat itself we see the modern version of Sophism and the modern version of Socrates, and once again the Sophists wants to kill logic by using false accusations, we are still at that point 2 000+ years later, I really hope every thinking human go out there and ask thoose modern sophists simple questions that make them start to think atleast for a qecond or to because now they are just parrots for someone elses agenda.
This is proof that if you hear something repeated often enough many will believe it. Even without evidence and even believe it so vehemently that they'd resist to be dissuaded from their position. Also, she's lying - no one is catcalling her, let's be honest here.
and nobody came up to her friend and said, "we're following you because you are black." People will lie to legitimize their belief system even when they have no evidence to support their beliefs. Most millennial college students are sheep following the wrong shepard.
That guy is going to walk away from this exchange thinking he’s so smart that people can’t understand his level of intelligence. A system is a non-human thing that controls human behaviours and interactions. Laws, processes, procedures, contracts, etc.. there’s no other definition for it, so let’s hear some examples.
I don't know, I think it looked like he had a very minor epiphany at 17:15 -- the way he says "hmmm, could be false..." like it's a novel concept that point where it's clear he knows his Karl Marx but not his Karl Popper of course that'll probably forever be the extent of his self-doubt in these topics that are religious dogma to him
@@TransRoofKorean Rare to see anyone mention Popper. Not rare to see people make claims that cannot be proven false...such as "systemic racism" for which there is not a single example.
This "lines of agreement" idea is genius. Because throughout the discussion, people who are close to each other in lines shows totally different opinion and make people next to them feel weird to no be group together with such extreme ideas.
I find it sad that having a discussion has to be couched in a game. They might as well have people only talking through their sock puppets to each other.
Dr. Pete, you are a real beacon of wonderfulness in the "city" of Portland. Your influence is reaching more people than ever and I applaud you for it! I met you once at a Michal Shermer lecture many years ago and I'm proud to have shook your hand. Thank you for your work!
I do find it fascinating to look back at a younger generation and see how easily they are manipulated into believing certain things. I would guess that many of the older adults here can look back in time and see themselves in these kids. They have a very weak understanding of many things but do want to see themselves as being "good" people. That is not a bad thing. What is different in the past decade or so, is the absolute polarization of opinion and the unwillingness to consider other ideas and perspectives. This resistance or willingness to be open-minded is what makes the current younger generations comparably weaker and disadvantaged intellectually. We all need time to learn so don't be too hard on anyone. Peter is showing great restraint and patience and that's a great model of behaviour.
I love how these college kids always talk about “stolen land” & “systemic racism” etc. yet they participate in ALL of the things they “want to change”. I don’t see either of these white people rushing to the registrars office to give up their spot in school for a minority to attend, or giving up their scholarship for a underprivileged kid to utilize it. I don’t see them giving up their homes (likely owned by their parents) to return it to a Native American or whoever they believe it was stolen from. In 10-15 years you won’t see them giving up their salary to someone who makes less money. They aren’t willing to give up their private medical insurance so that someone else can utilize it, or trade in their vehicle for a razor scooter to help with “global warming”… It’s odd that they are always eager to preach to the rest of us about how horrible we are because we’re privileged while they walk a moral high ground because they recognize their privilege & “fight the system”. It would be funny if it wasn’t so concerning. These people are just so, sooo clueless.
That girl has never given up a cheeseburger in her life, that's for sure. That's hell of a lot of eating for one so young. Serious issues of self-worth there that need addressing.
How can someone say he can only strongly agree or disagree on such a blanket statement, yet cannot even defend his position with anything other than hypotheticals?
Let's give the posing guy w/sun glasses a break: kids that age can be grandiose. It's the indulging faculty members--the ones that encourage emotional reasoning--that are to blame.
Giving them a break is why we are in this pronounce, lgbtq. racist everything, nightmare. 0000.1% of the population are controlling the narrative, shaming the rest of us.
He's not a kid. He's an adult who can move the needle in society. This toxic belief system is eroding society. I'm black. None of this helps. It all hurts.
7:15 "because we are in a system, humans are systemic". That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard in my life. Everyone is dumber because of this statement. You can see the look on Peter's face when he says it. He pause's because he knows that the comment made no sense whatsoever. I am crying laughing.
Yeah and their main strategy seems to be own the word, use the word religiously, but never define it. If it's defined you attach objectivity to it, and then it can be disarmed. They want to repeat the words like a mantra but leave their meanings subjective with no concrete definitions.
@@Nick-ih3xg I agree. Words should be used as precisely as possible. When words are deliberately misused as a method to intimidate, manipulate or subjugate, a person's well-calibrated bullshit detector should pin its needle. For those who haven't read it before, I highly recommend George Orwell's essay, Politics and the English Language.
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One thing I'm realizing with these videos is how good our students are at being verbose while saying very little. Their vocabularies are getting bigger but the arguments remain shallow.
That is the intended result of our "education" system. Students learn to repeat certain phrases on a page without actually understanding concepts.
that's because they don't really know why they so ardently believe the things they supposedly believe. They're told to believe racism is prevalent because black ppl tell them so. These black ppl don't have any statistics to support their claims.
It’s called sophistry, it’s a hallmark of the American intelligentsia. They also love to make an argument and then find research to prove their point instead of actually investigating.
@@MountainsBreath bam
Well said. It took you two sentences to articulate an aspect of a nuanced topic, and you were clear and concise.
“Are you stealing?” “No, why do you ask?” “Because you’re black.” I find that portrayal VERY hard to believe.
I don't believe that happened for a second
i'm conflicted. she seems like an honest enough person, and i've seen people doing way wackier shit than that online, but that part of the story does seem off.
Fact she thought it believable is embarrassing. Poor girl shoulda been happy she was cat called cuz I bet she's another lonely girl living with her cats
@@LiMortacciSuaSempre I lied, her being cat-called is less believable. 😂
@@GuitarBoyDusty LMAO !!!!!! Good one 😃😂
This dude is the perfect example of a person with 'firmly held but vaguely understood positions'.
In plain words....a dumba**.
The dude just try to find words he doesn’t understand.
Growing up my dad called it, "Often wrong, never in doubt."
Holy fucking shit it was soooooo fucking hard to listen to this guy in the sunglasses. He truly doesn't understand why he believes things. Its obvious his beliefs are adopted and that he did not genuinely arrive at this conclusion through his own thoughts. He just likes how the virtue signalling makes him feel.
"firmly held but vaguely understood positions" - I love this!
This is why conversations are important.
The younger man and woman have parroted an idea but can’t explain the idea that they went along with so they wouldn’t make waves.
If you can’t defend your beliefs, you probably shouldn’t “strongly agree” with your beliefs.
Watching your videos is like watching adults trying to think for the first time in their life. Something that should've happen in primary/secondary school. You're teaching Americans think. One person at the time. Good job
You are correct. These kids can barely string together whole sentences without blurting out the approved buzz words. Add to that the guy trying so hard to sound smart. I think we're screwed for about 50 years at minimum.
@@brianpalmer4643and his pacing back and forth my damn
He could just be bored. He is so sure of his “ideology” (the word used endlessly by the girl to mean “ideas, opinions, feelings, positions” ) that the entire discussion is below him.
The fact that someone like this young man can believe so strongly in something he knows nothing about, use words he doesn't understand to support such a belief and debate that in public shows how doomed academia is.
he's running malware.
The education system has removed critical thinking and replaced it with "passionate" thinking. Truth and reality doesn't matter. Only how much passion you have and display of it. Their using emotional "support" as a political tool. Basically political grooming.
Look at ¿his? mannerisms and overall behavioral persona analysis. The beaten pose, the painted black nails... Sad to see him brainwashed by academia. It's a shame. He has a blessed hairline and a good beard possibility. Meaning all the Soy consumption has not yet affected him fully. If he would work his body and ditch his wokeness he'd still have a chance at becoming a Chad.
It doesn’t mean academia is doomed it means one particular ideology has held on to the levers for too long.
His brain is infected.
The young man is a perfect example of what happens when you teach students what to think rather than how to think. He has all the required phrases, but he can't explain himself in a coherent way.
He, or it at this point is an example of the complete and utter pussifacation of the male existence in America. Too much soy, Adderall, helicopter parents. Marx was right, society makes man in turn man makes society repeat repeat. The left has had the reigns for at least 60 years and that thing that a strong fart will tople is the product.
It's the same with the question, what is a woman....xD it's a simple question with a simple answer.
This guy is so sure of his position on systemic racism but he still hasn’t come close to defining it other than his feelings about it,which is usually what this boils down to,,,feelings
Its actually quite sad 😭he could’ve been really smart if he wasn’t brainwashed
Yeah, I changed my opinion. The young dude is a jerk. Not only is he your typical entitled know it all, convinced that his basic level of jargon makes him an expert. He's also convinced that he is the only one with anything worth listening to. Notice that when he's not talking, he's skipping, playing with his hair, etc. And he relentlessly pushes his own undefined (ie he can't explain anything he says) ideas and then just dismisses out of hand any attempt to challenge or quantify his statements.
The guy with the black hair has no thought process, no reasoning, no arguments, no humility. Only ideology.
He's life a sponge that learns and repeats everything he learns at gender relations. And at one point you can know his answers on questions being asked to him
He’s in a gender studies course… of course he’s an idealogue
Look at his behavior and body language. That’s a guy who’s living his life in constant fear.
He’s been convinced that the world is threatening dangerous place.
And 20 years from now he’ll be working at a smoke shop making $20 an hour and complaining about his student loans
and the woman has nothing but lies.
This is why it is SO important to include critical thinking in education instead of just teaching words and theories. People need to know how to listen, think, and explain, not just regurgitate.
Na, we can't have CRT in schools. Its too racist.
Most underrated comment.
But that would crumble these ideologies :(
Well that's not a very good way to get zealots.
Oh! We were talking about how to get thinkers?
You're lucky they let you learn to read. That's a fairly new development for slaves.
I’m impressed that both of these guests didn’t resort to emotional outbursts and tried to reason their way through the conversation in a polite way. Bear in mind, this might be the first time in their lives that they’ve ever had to apply critical thinking to a topic that has been preached to them as fact.
Good point. It's a shame philosophy isn't taught in schools.
True that
All of their weak “arguments” are based on emotions
@@patrickpaganiniphilosophy is a GE at many if not all colleges
@@alexisoviedo100 does college mean high school? Like 15? If so, maybe I'm wrong and problems actually have nothing to do with education.
I have no idea how you can feel so strongly about a thing like “systemic racism” existing and not be able to describe the characteristics or details of it.
Not even one characteristic or detail.
He’s probably parroting what he’s heard.
@@Apriluser for sure. You can always tell when you peel back the first layer of the their rhetoric and theirs no foundation or fact behind it. Reminds me of the gun debate…when things get even slightly detailed, the gun control advocates usually answers with something like “well, I don’t really know anything about guns”
I don’t agree with the guy, but I could define it if I wanted to. There are many arguments to say America is racist. I could stand on either side and argue in favor.
But these people have no logical reasoning. There is no debate. They repeat slogans.
@@niftygrower2745 I just don’t know how you could declare an entire country is racist based on a very small minority of its citizens being racist. Do we have what we could call a racist history or past? Sure, but so does every other country. Currently, I don’t see how anyone could declare the country is racist. If it is, those that believe it better inform all the immigrants trying to come here
That guy hurt my brain- if you have a strong belief have a strong argument
That is exactly the difference between belief and knowledge. You don't need to know anything to believe.
He’s brainwashed
@@33greenleaf A victim of indoctrination.
The guy says there is systemic racism yet he says he experiences racism too. Then the guy can’t come with an answer so he just uses the girls story 🤡
Peter was a teacher of mine when I went to Portland State University. He’s a really good, honest guy.
I like this video series cause he’s passionately engaging. It’s genuine. Keep up the good work, Peter.
Yeah, he actually does a great job. Having never heard of the guy, I assumed this was going to be a "woke student gets pwned" type of video, "change my view" etc. But he really didn't seem to have that agenda; it was to ask questions to get the kids to explain THEIR views, which is cool.
Now in my view, that's giving them enough rope to hang themselves - but I don't think that's his intention here. It's just to have the conversation, which is really really positive to see.
And he's good at doing it; drawing them out but bringing it back to a grounded place where things can be explained in a fundamental way (if they can be!).
Anyway, it's cool that he was your teacher.
i can thoroughly recommend anything to do with SE, on any subject it is fascinating to see what and how people believe.
This is because students are being taught what to think, not how to think for themselves. Indoctrination as opposed to critical thinking.
I like pistol Pete Maravich #44
My daughter is currently at PSU. She was looking forward to Peter's classes. ...and then he left / was forced out >.
“People cause systems, and systems cause people” ~ Word Salad Champion
Yeah but he's really cool with his glasses. He's like a beat poet mannnn
Turtles all the way down.
Is he wrong?
3rd place at best. He might get a press sec internship though
As confused as the gentleman in the dark glasses is, there is something to this utterance. Consider the following observation from Karl Popper: "Often [Marxian economism] is...interpreted as the doctrine that all social development depends upon that of economic conditions, and especially upon the development of the physical means of production. But such a doctrine is palpably false. *There is an interaction between economic conditions and ideas, and not simply a unilateral dependence of the latter on the former.* [Emphasis added]" *The Open Society and Its Enemies* Routledge Classics Edition. Oxford, UK: Routledge. 2011. First Published by Routledge and Kegan Paul 1945. Vol II The High Tide of Prophecy Ch 15 "Economic Historicism."
When the young man didn't know what facts could possibly change his mind, Peter nailed it with "wouldn't you want to know the conditions under which your belief is false in order to justify confidence in the belief?"
16:57
But Peter cannot explain any of this stuff that you claim Peter is stuck in what about ism. And could be ism
@@SEELAYTRAY777it isn't his job to explain. It's his job to ask questions and let people show who they are.
@SEELAYTRAY777 It wasn't his argument to explain. He was using whatabout-ism, as you put it, to try and get some actual evidence or examples from the guy who was so strongly convinced that America is systemically racist, but yet couldn't actually define or give any evidence to support it. THAT is the issue. Peter spent a good 5-6 minutes trying to get through to him that racist people within a system, does not constitute the system itself being racist. It's painful to watch.
People need to start using their brains and be able to back up the claims they make, instead of following sheep ideologies 🤷♂️
@@SEELAYTRAY777 sorry, what is your actual criticism?
5:28 Beautiful! Made a bee line for 'STRONGLY AGREE' and can't name even one example from his vast and confident memory. The smugnorance is glorious.
One of the biggest lessons I learnt in life was that admitting not knowing things (even things that you should know or are obvious) commands far more respect than going on like you do.
They apparently don't teach ancient Greek philosophy anymore. Or show people Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.
I just don’t understand this need to know everything, if someone confronts me on the street and asks ”what do you think of the current president of Tajikistan Emomalii Rahmon?” I would be the first one to say ”I have no idea”…
@@bobsondugnutt9914
I love your comment
Seriously that guys demeanor versus the girls is that exact representation, and I respect her a lot more.
Bingo. I had to learn this the embarrassing way. I was a know-it-all in my 20s and even into my 30s. I eventually realized many of my most passionately held beliefs were built on a foundation of quicksand. The older we get, the more we know we don’t know.
I am Mexican,my parents were born in Mexico.When they got their citizenship we moved to 3 different states in my life as a kid.Some neighborhoods were a Latin mix ,some African Americans with latins ,and also white Americans.With that being said the racism I experienced was from my own Latin community and I also saw a lot of racism between the African Americans and Latins.The reality is racism is in every culture.
And I never experienced racism from a white person.
Facts
@@lilyannanewton2712 okay? Good for u then?
Nuh uh. AOC told me Black people can't ever be racist.
I'm white and when I grew up I literally never heard any racist thing uttered about any minority. When I had more encounters with particularly black people I was told so often that I hated them. It was baffling for me. I was literally so freaking confused. They would tell me I knew things I'd never even heard. And then in my mostly black high school high school the black kids were absolutely vile towards the white kids. I was badly bullied for being white. I still didn't hate black people because hating a race is incredibly stupid. The Latinos never bothered anybody. Oh, and these black kids lived in nicer houses than mine. Had their lives really been that bad that they had to hate people?
That dude pacing back and forth is trying so hard to find a way to justify his beliefs.
The system is the system cause humans create systems so therefore we're all in a system. It's systemic bro, just listen to me
@@amarya86 I really don't understand how this guy is in the educational system. Maybe he was just passing by and doesn't understand the word and needed a definition
If he just fallowed up by saying the word system stems from the word sewer, he would have won his point.
HIS LOGIC: LITERALLY EVERYTHING IS SYSTEMIC
@@deenzmartin6695 explain to me when the inequality created by slavery was undone? certainly not with 40 acres and a mule
Peter, Your patience and respect shows how you care and are willing to listen to any side. You always have some of the best questions.
Honestly, I don't think he accomplished anything with the interview. It ended up being a waste of time watching it.
I have an example of systemic racism in the Ú.S. : Affirmative Action. It is selecting ppl based on race, and national origin.
How does this comment not have hundreds of likes?
AA is the nxt target for the Supreme Court.
Don’t forget hiring quotas, catch and release policies, funding for special interest groups, showing faces of criminals on media, general media applause and bias
You are correct this does occur but as they say you can't be racist against white people. Seriously, everyone has the potential to be racist. My personal belief is America is not separated by race so much as it is by being poor or rich. I know many rich black people that if they were to be pulled over by the cops they wouldn't get in trouble but yet a poor white person would. You could claim that sports are racist as many blacks make better athletes due to their natural physical makeup. There have been studies regarding blacks and their muscle fibers vs. whites. We are all human and all have advantages and disadvantages to others due to our genes given to us by God. I served in the military and traveled the world. I can assure you racism exists around the world. You will never stamp it out. The one thing we can do as humans is to start learning to love one another and start looking at the character of the person before you look at the skin/outward appearance. This is very hard to do and overcome because your visual is always your first impression of someone.
Exactly! Against white ppl!! You are absolutely correct!
“Sorry they didn’t teach us what the system actually was in gender studies. Just repeated the word a lot. Totally worth 80k” 😵💫
It's all circular reasoning with them. The claim is proof of the claim.
@@ams914 Circular reasonings as well as circular definitions. “A woman is a woman”. Well if you identify as a woman, what are you identifying as? “A woman”. What is that? “A woman”
Preach
@Auspician we know the Bible is real because so many people actually turn to Christ they talk in tongue they found Noah's ark by the way so there lying about that if so what is the meaning for them lying
@@shawnhutchins1972 None of that would hold up in court. We know the Bible is true because of fulfilled prophesy. Nobody today can speak in a language that they've never learned or studied.
I love how this isn't about gotcha-isms - this is about penetrating their opinions with questions, and asking people to think about what they think. It's a fascinating watch!
Yup shows the lack of critical thinking in our society
Unfortunately, asking penetrating questions to people who don’t question their own opinions can seem like “gotchas” to them. Peter is definitely wrapping his questions in a certain “playing stupid and innocent” coating.
I'm no expert but I think that's the Socratic method, am I wrong?
This is as close to the truly Socratic method as I've seen a professional be on TH-cam. It's great!
@@randomactsofriding4850 7:09 Absolute critical thinking fail. 😂 So many, but that one is beautiful.
*Edit*
Ohh, 12:08 is even better. This guy cannot stay on point. Great hair though, I am legitimately impressed.
The young guy, black hair, black glasses - the embodiment of “indoctrinated”!!!
"America is systemically racist" can you name a system that's racist?? "Ummmmm welll im studying gender"
I can. Affirmative action. Systemically racist against white people.
@@garrettlees7497 and Asian Americans
This is the prob with social media, and when you have a whole generation forming their beliefs based off of little 15 second woke shorts on youtube they watch all day. Then cannot explain their claim
@@embe9322 explain to me when the inequality created by slavery was undone? certainly not with 40 acres and a mule
@@gnubbiersh647 which race do you refer of?
That kid really WANTS to know what he's talking about. He probably thought he totally had it all figured out until someone finally tries to get him to explain himself.
This is why it's important to take a look at different sides of an issue rather than simply parroting the same buzz words and talking points you've heard over and over.
As a software dev I learned early on when struggling with a problem, if I try explaining an issue to someone else who knows nothing about it you look at it differently, which can really help you understand it better. These kids need to apply something similar, if you can't explain it you don't understand it.
He is a classic example of the dunning Kruger effect. He has also been so deeply indoctrinated and propagandized and he is too slow to recognize it
Great comment!! Spot on!
Absolutely - I went through the university and I left feeling confident about a bunch of conclusions. What you don't get is how the logic follows, you just get bad conclusions based on faulty premises based on non-emperical research methods like "auto ethnography" which is basically a diary entry which is treated like serious research.
The male student wanted Peter to change the claim from “America” to “Americans” as if that would clarify his vague assertions. If anything, it would have made it worse. “America” is more broad-based, which is better for his word salad definitions of “systemic”. “Americans” is more specific, and he’d have to explain how all races that exist under the “Americans” umbrella, including black, hispanic, asian, etc. are all racist under his assertion. He’d likely have to insist that Peter change the board again from “Americans” to “White Americans” in order to move the goalposts closer to what he really believes.
"Well the proofs is in the pudding"
Teachers today systematically makes students stupid and
batshit weird.
Have you noticed how inarticulate they are? Even non-leftists.
“So like… if we like… look at the two sides of the argument… as like a dichotomy… two opposing ideas… then like… I feel that’s a conversation that can like open doors to better dialogue and like… can bring ideas to the forefront which reflects everyone’s lived experience and not just those who might like… feel their opinions are not being heard.”
People didn’t talk like this in decades gone by. Charlie Manson’s girls were poets compared to these drones.
@@petelovatt8357 Exactly , what they teach sounds more like a recipe for how to become a procrastinator that's going to need goverment issued life support to survive because they can't make decissions and go with the best working ideas to create and produce something of value, instead they get stucked and only going to repeat ideological ideas that their teachers told was "the truth", what's really happens is thst they want us to welcome to an tribe of screaming parrots that are unable to evaluate things in life, and we are going to see a lot of history falsification from thoose leading this movement, it strange for someone that are curious and want knowledge that it's way harder today to find real knowledge about a lot of subjects and sciences than it was 20 years ago, it's both hide in links that don't comes up with a google search the way it showed up than and it's also way more restricted to who can read it, I can search for dpecific things I searched for back then and instead of getting something with substance I get drowned in weird shit from bloggers or what "self declared genious" celebritys have an opinion on the subject even if it's clear they just haven't got sny clue what they talking about it's only opinion they made up on the go about it, and even libraries have start to sort out and leave some good books and instead replacet it with ideological opinionated missleading writing, it's like they hate facts that tells us what really going on in a subject with what they want us to belive happens instead, for someone that wants to learn knowledge to better navigate in life it's a disaster on the horizons, they may teach you one speciallity so you can be competent at a specific job but you are not allowed to have a greater knowledge and be able to put it into a context and understand what's going on, that's what they offer for the younger generations that grows up nowadays, that together with the fact that politicians want to have the totalitarian power over everything in the society the Police, the justice system, the school system, the cultural institutions, the media, so they can bann every person that don't knee inbrott of them and oberoende everything they say, all in the seducing sentence
"for the greater good"
but forgett to tell that sentence was also used by the most tyrannical regimes like Nazi Germany National Socialism or Stalinistic Soviet Marxust Communist Socialist or Communist Chinas Maoist Socialism that trio who commited the three biggest genocides in human history.
Anything to keep the fairytale of a self destructing forcibly diverse society going for as long as possible.
@Anders Persson: You mean like you who doesn’t know the correct term. The word is SYSTEMICALLY.
@@marccovitz5289 No. “Systematically” is perfectly fine. The word was used for hundreds of years before leftists decided to make “systemic” a trendy word. They basically mean the same thing, although blue haired folk will try and make a distinction.
For the last 5-6 years after constantly hearing people talk about systemic racism, I always ask "What proof do we have?" And not once has anyone ever given me a legitimate answer.
I have a legitimate answer. Race based quotas for work and school. Racism is treating people based on there race.
Although I doubt that is what those people where referring to.
^ An example of a system put in place to keep minorities down. I can think of one, that being welfare but for whatever reason leftists actually LIKE that one.
The one I feel many activists ignore is drug laws and enforcement. This is a subject that they would have a real claim, but isn’t often mentioned.
my comment was h!dd3n for saying the only system keeping min0rities down was the wlfre system.
Here's your legitimate answer:
Affirmative Action exists
That's legitimately the only example of "systemic racism"
"I've particular been studying gender relations at the moment " 💀💀. That's all I needed to know.
😅😆🤣😁👍🏽👌🏽
This guy's smug self assured hostility is mind boggling. He must be the absolute best at parroting his professors in his drum circle.
He literally had no argument but acted so sure of himself. Said absolute nonsense.
There seems to be a direct correlation with people who think like this and physical body type. Big strong, confident men, seem to never think like this.
100% and i bet you, he s daturbosimp 2.0
Ficking hipster. Desperately in need of a beat down.
It was a painful watch. I think Boghossian did those kids a serious favor by engaging them in a conversation.
This is a master class on how to deconstruct rooted beliefs. Only questions, no affirmations, try as much as possible not to put them on defensive. Even in the end, never push the real data until the discussion is over and they genuinely asked for it => aka ready to process it and not reject the information immediatly. Good job.
I love this. Thank you. I recently went back to college for another degree. I am amazed at the lack of depth and thought in conversation.
This is the first time I’ve seen Peter almost crack under the weight of determined stupidity that he’s dealing with. Kudos for his efforts.
"but...why why why why why"
Yeah, his poker faced cracked.
This is kinda how I used to talk and think about politics when I was, oh I don’t know, 14/15/16… but now that I am 21 seeing people my age and older STILL having conversations at this intellectual level is so embarrassing and I honestly just feel bad for the future of this country and the future of my family. :(
Gladly there are people who never thought like that.
@@Isaac-eh6uu ok
1968.. 'the party'.. 'raise and HARVEST ignorance'.. grow them stupid and keep them stupid and use them as TOOLS in the division game you planned.
Wait until you get to 40.
The USA had ‘white only’ until the 1960’s. America is the most racist nation on earth. By miles. The corrupt police. Mass and school shootings. The American culture is diseased. The ones that realize this the least is Americans. 🤦🏼♂️
"I strongly agree in systematic racism"
"Ok, which system?"
"Hmmmm, that's a hard question because I never thought about it"
No kidding!! He STRONGLY AGREES to something he can NOT even substantiate. How incredibly arrogant and smug. Wow!
Also the blonde girl complete liar!!
Affirmative Action is a racist policy, but I’m sure this kid wouldn’t consider that.
When I say "systemic" I mean I shouldn't be *asked* to provide any examples.
@@yacheritsi That right. Asking to back-up your belief is in itself a systemic (pick any bad thing). I think a lot of people mean well but are just fools.
@@WarAuthority I can't believe that anyone would cat call her, she is huge and unattractive.
When they have to give examples they turn into studdering mess.
Love this series. Socratic method executed perfectly. Incredible to see how shallow the reasoning is behind such strongly held beliefs.
these people aren't prepared to answer his questions. but it doesn't mean they are wrong. s systemic racism absolutely is a problem in america.
@itp5x5 so your position is that because these two people couldn't prove systemic racism, it means that systemic racism doesn't exist? how silly is that? You use of police killings statistics shows me that you have no idea how statistics works, and I would assume that you've never taken a statistics course in your life.
It is so great!
@@Kevinschart Bro do you know what systemic means? If this was actually systemic it would have been as obvious as china's oppression on their people, and theres no way we would get away with that. There is nothing about our system that targets ONE race and gives the rest an advantage.
Does racism exist? Yes, its prevalent. In no way is it systemic.
@@Kevinschart so then are you able to explain your stance by answering his questions? I would genuinely appreciate understanding the basis for your belief on America being systemically racist.
The pretentious personality this dude developed for himself as a mask for his insecurities should be addressed. Those people are the ones that grow to violence when they feel invalidated.
Hunched down shoulders, looking around wildly hands covering the softest spot of his body in a defensive Gesture, He just radiates self loathing anger and insecurity
Perfect ANTIFA type
I know what he means by “systemic” I study the left. “Systemic racism ” is actually the bad reputation of blacks ( that they did to themselves ) that causes society ( the system) ( the social system ) to treat them differently. The left doesn’t want anyone to have thoughts of blacks having a bad reputation even though they often do. Not always, but often or sometimes. The truth is most people disregard their bad reputation treating blacks the same as they do anyone else. However … some times when “some people” interact with blacks the thoughts of it surfaces and people’s discernment (knowledge based discrimination) is exercised.
@@wheelie642 every time a Democrat talks about systemic racism, say, “you mean YOUR system?”
People are desperate to belong, to make sense of things and to help others. Yet, so many are so distracted, so bogged down with 'content' and just problems of life, while they get told their whole lives to sit down, shut up and repeat after me. Most young people today have no idea who they actually are. That's why they scream to be listened to, to be 'validated' in their existentialist turmoil. They've spent their whole lives being told that everything is awful because the last generation wasn't as enlightened as we are today. They're told that knowledge is wisdom, and validation is worth. Is it any wonder that every time they are confronted with the smallest bit of reality, they just shut down?
“There is systemic racism in America but I cannot point to a single racist system”
Incredible.
They've been brainwashed.
I can, Harvard accepts more Asian Americans than is represented in the population statistics, they reecist.
I can , affirmative action
@@rongt859 agreed! DemoRats did that
@@rongt859 ANTI-WHITE "Diversity" quotas for businesses, Black only scholorships, the Vice President of the United States was chosen because of her skin color.
This woman just doesn’t want to be cancelled. Her morality is clearly for sale. Man these kids are sad.
That guy was so confident the system was totally racist but couldn’t think of one example to support that.
Just kept saying the system and people do things within a system…
That gender studies degree is really shining through with that eloquent explanation lol
"You know...THE SYSTEM. It's THE SYSTEM. It's shaped like itself!"
@@Thom1212 explain to me when the inequality created by slavery was undone? certainly not with 40 acres and a mule
@@gnubbiersh647 when exactly was the world ever equal? Despite slavery are not the people currently occupying the US better off than their brethren in Africa?
@@gnubbiersh647 explain to me how “40 acres and a mule” would achieve that?
@@dustinmartin2369 that doesnt mean america isnt racist does it? You can have slaves that live in mansions theoretically
By this guy’s definition any and everything could be “systemic” because everything could be described as a system.
I'm not sure whether it's a case of not being able to substantiate / define it, or a case of specifically wanting to avoid having a concrete definition nailed down. If there's a concrete definition for something, proving (or, disproving) its existence becomes possible. If no such concrete definition exists, you can keep equivocating until your interlocutor gives up and tries to get a sensible answer out of someone else.
Postmodernist mentality. Keep the definition broad (or keep it fluid and changeable) and sell your subjective reality as objective truth
He doesn't know what he's talking about. It's not really a fair video as Boghossian could've interviewed people who know the subject. Saying that, a truly woke person wouldn't engage in the interview.
So basically because he’s a student at that school, he is the school.
@@benhardy2040 I'm not sure who you're replying to, but at the same time, I can't see anyone in this thread making an assertion even close to what you appear to be asking. Are you sure that you responded to the right thread?
I love how these "systemic racism" believers, never want to put concrete definitions on these things... because then it can be analyzed, and once analyzed, it evaporates into nothingness. They're so intellectually dishonest.
That's right. Their currency is non falsifiable claims.
@@semosancus5506 explain to me when the inequality created by slavery was undone? certainly not with 40 acres and a mule
So me getting arrested 5 times in my life on drug/alcohol charges and not even spending a second in jail while a black teenager can get 15 years for an 8th of weed, isn’t part of a flawed system? The war on drugs was perfectly balanced in who it arrested?? Cmon…
@@tipsyt1909 15 years for an eighth of weed? 🤣Wow u are clueless.
To give the guy a break, I think what the student was looking for here is something like the incarceration rate, which disfavours black people particularly. i.e. 1 in 106 white men are incarcerated, while it's 1 in 15 of black men. Another example: The median net worth of black families is less than 15% of white families. When people say 'systemic' I believe this is what they are talking about. A system which consistenly (dis)favours certain certain racial groups. Now, imo it would be better to move past sayings like 'america is racist' and simply work on ways to make life better for everyone, regardless of race, i.e. focusing on wealth disparity broadly speaking.
Crazy how they can't answer the question so they instead try to change the definition and change the question all together. Unbelievable
_"Are you stealing?” “No, why do you ask?” “Because you’re black."_
_"There was a catcalling incident....I was being catcalled."_
*I'll take events that never happened for $100, Alex*
100 if they are scared of thrm.. they will follow they won't confront like that. And from experience these stores they have reasons for their assumptions. It didn't come from no where.
@@npcimknot958 And if you ask 100 people if they are shoplifting 100 of them will answer no. who would ever ask something like that? or straight out say we profile you because you are black? They may think it, but saying it is highly doubtful. And who catcalls a land whale?
That comment was gold!!!!!
@@npcimknot958 its funny you said that because when i was 16, this white girl i was dating would ask me to just walk to the store after her, and as soon as i step in the security would follow me and she used to clear the store like its nothing. i think this lady exaggerate but the fact of the matter is it does happen.
@@animalworld5296 I got followed and watched when I was a teenager. I'm mixed, but definitely passing. It was because of how I dressed, carried myself, age, etc. It had nothing to do with my race. To automatically jump to that conclusion without noting anything else is dishonest and says more about your mind then the people you're accusing.
I have to give them credit for even being willing to engage, not call names, not getting emotional, and recognizing that their personal experiences aren't evidence.
Yes, I strongly agree that the U.S. (in the modern time) is a racist country.
Examples of Systemic Racism:
1: Affirmative Action, which forces companies/organizations to hire employees (qualified or not) based on the race of the applicants.
2: Ivy League Universities' policy in accepting the applicants based on race. Ex: Asian students must score 140 points higher than white students, 320 points higher than Hispanic students, and 450 points higher than black students on the SAT to even be considered in getting accepted into those top schools.
Then, everyone has either positive/negative stereotypes about others (generally, stereotype is based on some truths, but not necessary the whole truth).
White - Privileged, wealthy, racists, mass shooters, serial killers etc.
Black - Poor, uneducated, criminals, no father in the home, big d*ck, good in sports, cannot be racist etc.
Hispanic/Latinos - Illegal immigrants, members of drug cartels, hard workers, menial job workers etc.
Asians - Smart, educated, suck at sports & driving, cheapskate, small d*ck etc.
Native Americans - Poor, illiterate, alcoholics etc.
So, based on my assumptions, U.S. is a racist country.
However, having lived in 5 different countries (for more than a year) and been to over 50 different countries around the world, I also believe that every single country is racist/prejudice in one form or another.
Summed it up
Yes, I agree that the programs you mentioned are racist programs. You won't get a lot of people to agree with that. Because they benefit from those programs and otherwise wouldn't it's not seen as racist.
@@dbrillhart3183: Therefore, the U.S. is a racist country (as well as the world) whether anyone wants to admit it or not.
Right. The only real systematic rascim: affirmative action. Stereotypes aren't systematic but more cultural.
Correct. There is systemic racism, but it’s geared against whites
If this country was so racist, the examples would be numerous and easy to name.
Right. 💯
But I feel it though and my feelings are everything!!!
0:23 I don't believe that girl's story for one second. Not one second. Her and her black friend went into a store and the employees followed her black friend ans asked her if she was shoplifting and when she asked why, they told her because she is black. That NEVER happened! You know why I know. Because she already said they went SEPARATE ways in the store, so she didn't see anything. And like someone else pointed out, no one asks someone if they are shoplifting. They wait until they do, and then they detain the person. This is just total made-up nonsense.
Of course it’s nonsense. I’m sure her black friend told her it. In the town where I work as a cop I hear all the time how us cops beat black kids, insult and follow them. In 27 years it hasn’t happened once that I’ve seen.
People know if they lie and say they are victim they get privileges. Unfortunately young woman have weak bullshit detectors
She is full of shit.
Ehh her friend could have told her
"they told her because she is black", that's probably the biggest tell right there, an actual racist doesn't just say "hey I'm doing this because you're black!". That's just stupid, it's 2022 .
I believe that’s how she remembers it.
Even if her “story” was true, it would not a single bit prove a “systemic” racism but only “personal” racism, which btw is also a thing among black People towards white or Asian people. All over the world.
If you multiply that case among similar institutions then yes it would be categorized as systematic discrimination
For real. Most of these folks crying about systemic racism have never left America to realize that America is vastly less racist than MOST of the world 😂
@@TheTruthisLord if the system is racist it's sucks at it.
The shoplifting one? No shot that story is true. 🤣🤣🤣
@@TheTruthisLord no it wouldn't. It would only be systemic / systematic, if there's a sytem in place, which means that people are encouraged to be racist by their employers, bosses etc. or even only installed in their institution if they are in fact racist.
"Americans are racist" is what you mean to say, but the statement is "America is systemic racist" which means it's not about the individual person but it's an a priori racist system, even if it's not yet filled with people.
Student: "I strongly agree that the United States is systemically racist."
Peter: "Okay, give me an example of a system in the U.S. that is racist."
Student: "Uh..."
This guy is a joke.
Ikr.
Smdh.
The judiciary, Jobs, arrests, one is too much.
Jobs are a system? Disnt know we had a job system in us
@@ex7229 Of course we have a system of jobs in the US? How else do you think Americans pay bills? Do you think it's just a random process each time you apply for a job or is there a system? Do you think that jobs have a meaningful connection to the US economy and the communities and the people within those communities?
The insane things people say in the echo chamber...
But he's smug and self-assured. lol
that girl is lying. NOBODY, who is working in a store, walks up to someone and asks them if they're shoplifting.........🤷♀🤦♂
All you would have to do is film the incident & have the assistant fired.
@@dcoughla681 that the thing - she's making it up. and, i wish he'd have asked both of the people WHY they live in the US if it's SO "racist". so, many of these fools go on about how bad it is in the US; but they never leave. i'd also have asked them why millions of immigrants risk their lives to try and sneak into the US if it's so bad?
america, the racist nation that in its laws only disriminates against the majority race and the minority gender
I knew a store detective. I asked him what the profile was for shoplifters. He said, "Everybody."
Yeah, but ask him the profile of smash & dash or mass lootings, and I'll bet you'll get a very specific grouping.
The fact that he quoted Monty Python “come and see the violence inherent in the system” and didn’t connect this to classism and not race is so interesting to me. It’s always been about class
Nice point.
Has it though? That's a very Marxian view.
@@yournumberonepalWell, that guy in the video talks like a Marxist, so I'm not surprised OP went to class over race.
7:48 "she is describing a system". No she didn't she described two racist employees at a story, not a system. This the perfect example of anecdotal eveidence being used to describe our entire world.
Lmao exactly. “My friend was called spic by someone once or twice therefore America is racist”. These people have zero brain cells.
That story didn't sound remotely legit.
"Excuse me are you shoplifting?" "No why?" "Well you're black".... Never happened in the history of ever.
As a minority, I know that these people mean well and want to help… but they’re not doing it the right way by thinking america is racist.
There are racist people, but america is the land of opportunities… most small businesses opened are by immigrants aka minorities.
It’s not our skin color that gets us harmed, it’s our beliefs and culture… some part of American culture glorifies violence and committing crime, and it’s seen in music and movies etc.
We must not blame america but blame the people who teach these negative culture to our young.
Hopefully these people will eventually see the truth.
I'm a Black guy. I don't think they mean well at all. They have adopted this as a personality to mask whatever insecurities they have. Taking on a nebulous issue like racism that increasingly means whatever they want it to mean is a perfect way to seem like you want change. But whenever they are confronted with ideas they haven't had jammed into their brains they lash out. I'm black, you should see how they talk to me when I disagree. They show their hand everytime.
@@ARealPersonNotABot right these are the same people who would say "I dont see skin color"
I would argue they're hurting far more than they're helping with thier smug ignorance. I'm white, but I'm a gay man, so I can't speak to thier effect on racial equality, but I can speak to what they've done for gay rights. These are the people who blindly parrot whatever trendy social justice hackery they've been programmed with without actually listening to the people they're speaking for. They are literally advocating for pedophile acceptance, not necessarily legalization per se, in these vaunted academic circles. They have literally undone decades of hard work by the LGBT community to break the awful stereotype that gays are pedophiles because instead of actually listening to us, they speak over us because they think they're helping and they believe their voice will be heard more than ours.
For the first time in literal decades, LGBT acceptance has fallen because of these people.
@@ARealPersonNotABot I don't think it's entirely their fault. They've been told that they have to think and act this way in order to stay in the "safe" lane, plus call out anyone who isn't riding in that lane, so it's become more about routine than situational awareness and presence. I think the shifting definition/misuse of "racism" to fit whatever set of circumstances IS a big part of the problem. It's not doing anyone any favors.
@@ARealPersonNotABot I think you are right. Usually these people also don't do anything to really help minorities.
Listening to this man talk is one of the most painful things I’ve ever heard of my entire life. This is every friend I’ve ever had that wanted to sound smarter than they are when arguing lol
People like this show that they have intelligence, but that they aren't using it.
Or Kamala Harris.
Was thinking exact thing as I read this comment. Cringe
He's a perfect example of a person that uses big words to say absolutely nothing.
@Luke Leonard: You don’t have any friends so your comment is meaningless.
I’m a black guy and the people in stores do follow me around but there’s a 0% chance that if I asked them why they were following me that they would openly admit it’s because I’m black.
Her story could be true. The issue is if all you have are your own anecdotes to support such a bold claim of systematic racism. What she said could be 100% true and proof of nothing on a systemic level if it can't be buttressed with facts.
@@EricTitansSmith her story is a blatant lie
When I was a 12 year-old white kid in a Woolworth’s in downtown Minneapolis in 1973 thinking about stuffing a $7.99 football into the $2.99 football’s box, but ultimately putting them both back in their proper boxes, the enormous black security guard at the door looked down on me as I walked out. He said, “You’re lucky kid”.
Maybe he was racist- but he was right.
Even though it's wrong, there could be a personal reason for someone to act like some kind of racist person. I run my own business and have had some trouble with employees of a certain background, that fact makes me think twice if someone of that background applies for a job. Is that racist? It might be.. If i feel after the interview it could go the same way with that person as the people who where there before that person... Do I just have to go against my own experiences so people think of me as a good person? There is a business to run.. not a charity..
@@daanloco7200 there is NOTHING wrong with having an IN GROUP PREFERENCE. It’s LITERALLY normal and natural.
That guy couldn’t give a straight answer if his life depended on it.
Still waiting for him to come up with a _single_ example of what he claims marks the entire ‘system’
Ideologue
I know store security people. They never come over and ask you if you are shop lifting. They watch you until you go to leave the store without paying and escort you to their security room where they wait for the cops. Her story is hard to believe because it's the exact opposite of how stores train their security. Tbh it sounds like a teenager made up that story.
I think she's flat out lying, too. Sounds like they went shopping in high school, so they probably had backpacks, & could've been followed. I've been followed many times shopping. I've never thought, it was my skin color. I think she flat out lied, when she got to the party acting like they stopped her & said, because she's black.
This guy thinks of himself as an intellectual yet has literally done no research to support his opinion. Amazing.
It's not the kids' fault. They were brainwashed by endless repeated viewings of George Floyd with a cop kneeling on his neck over and over and over and over. Kids are impressionable.
He has the look for sure, probably works on young girls in a bar but surely not around a truly educated person……
He's parroting what his teachers have said. Someone should tell him, "You're right, there's systemic racism in the higher education system! Against WHITES and ASIANS! It's quite pervasive."
What did you expect with how the schools work nowadays…
He just forgot is text a couple of times it s script
this guy is literally what the country needs right now! A person capable of rational conversation with out a heated debate.
Literally? Jessie Lee Peterson, Larry Elder, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Dave Rubin, Tim Poole... all guys that have been around for years that do on a daily basis exactly what you claim this country needs.
This country needs more people to be accountable for their own statements and actions. Stop passing the buck. Run for local office and be what this country needs
@@CTuna-uo3pq I get that and I believe those guys u listed are telling the truth but this guys approach cuts deeper. he doesn't argue or try to correct them.
you wouldn't know where he stand. He genuinely wants to understand peoples argument and encourage people to provide reason for there claims.
all I am trying to say is more people would change their mind with this approach than a debate.
@@eyoelzenebe3810I hear ya
The “gotcha” moment for that guy was hilarious. He uses the words but doesn’t know what they mean.
"Why would I know something I don't agree with?"
Such a clearly close minded human.
Did anyone else facepalm the moment the lady said "I have a lot of "friends of colour"" right at the start? The irony in separating your friends in your mind due to their skin colour. The moment she said that, I knew where this was going.
12:47
The student repeatedly alleges systemic racism, but is beleaguered when attempting to identify a system that is inherently racist. A textbook example of cognitive dissonance.
It is repeating a cultural trope and then when asked to define it, he is at a loss for words. This can only in a world where we have comfortably lost a grip on objective truth.
We're humans, humans are in the system and therefore it's systemic. This line alone is just nonsense to me and completely makes the word systemic worthless.
@@brba8245
Yes. Also known as, the triumph of idiot culture.
A textbook example of emotional programming...they have had this lie repeated to them ad nauseam in school, in media, by their peers, possibly by their family, and by others similarly programmed or by those who stand to benefit from this claim (aka race hustlers.)
The emotional certainty comes first and its presence excuses the need for facts in most peoples' minds.
I was completely programmed to find Fox News emotionally repugnant; to a lesser extent, I was also molded to find the Republican Party repugnant, and basically anything and everything Right Wing.
I didn't really overcome this until I moved abroad and was in my early to mid 30s; the election of 2016 and the 2 years leading up to it were watershed moments for me as I simply couldn't find any evidence of Pres. Trump being anything like the ultra-racist he was claimed to be; his dramatic shift in public stature as well was baffling, going from somebody that black American culture routinely mentioned in music, looked up to, gave awards to...to worst than Hitler? The pattern of calling EVERY Republican candidate worse than Hitler was laid bare. All the nonsense started unravelling very quickly after that.
But these sheltered children with their closed, know-it-all mindsets and their smug moral complacency...I wonder if they will ever have moments of clarity to recognize the depths of their own biases and the staggering extent to which they have been emotionally manipulated. I wonder if anything will ever make them understand the fact that they are essentially ideological robots, or puppets, maybe, for the Left.
@Outstanding Results Coaching
Doing so would require the student to examine the validity of his beliefs and consider the likelihood (however traumatizing) that one or more of his propagandist professors might be wrong.
Thank you for your response.
First interview: file under things that never happened
I love seeing someone realize for the first time that they need to know how their ideas could be torn apart to be able to truly hold the view they have. This guy got a good dose of it live here.
Peter is very good at just giving enough away. He’s playing all these kids. It’s beautiful
Good for them having the conversation! The woman was thoughtful and tried to be logical and honest.
Who is the lad with the glasses? He's great. He really had me at first, then i realised it was a performance and im very impressed. He really captures the vagueness of thought, and cleverly worded nonsense you hear from people like that. He's nailed the costume and hair and mannerisms too. Has he got a channel? i'd watch more of him ridiculing idiots.
"The most liberal and tolerant societies in human history are now unified in being portrayed as the most oppressive and bigoted societies ever" -- Douglas Murray
Absolutely
Go to a Voc. Tech. school and question the students there. It'd be interesting to see how similar/dissimilar the responses would be.
Yooo I went the trade route and I keep asking myself this after watching these experiments
I would really like to see that!
This kids need to travel, see the world and how it works outside the US and Europe. Easier to define systems of oppression after that.
Wow. Asking questions opens people up to their own assumptions. It encourages critical thought. And it wasn’t combative.
And defining terms. Having them define terms is also paramount for critical thinking.
Good exercise. For both sides - the questioner and the persons being questioned.
Excellent.
"I've particularly been studying gender relations at the moment" was all I needed to hear bruv
I live in very rural east Tennessee and I've never seen anyone act like she is saying happens in Orgeon. I'm calling total bullshit on her. No, actually, I'm calling her a liar.
I thinking she’s also lying about someone catcalling her 🤪😜
@@wonderwomanx1268 yeah I agree there for sure
I grew up a ward of the commonwealth. A white kid surrounded by blacks Asians and Hispanics. Only blatant racism I ever saw was black on white black on Hispanic and black on Asian.
@@wonderwomanx1268 I dunno.... if she was in a black neighborhood.... they like big white women. It's possible🤣🤣
@@fjoebidun5376 True 😜🤪👊🏼 So racist tho! Tehe 🤭...even so it would be quick and dirty.
These sessions are just brilliant Peter! A master class in interview technique. I can’t get enough of them. I commend both of these young people too for their sincerity & obvious preparedness to consider what was being asked of them. It was almost possible to hear the young man’s brain fizz as he paced back and forth. And a light bulb right at the end when you posed the more important question about why the number of interactions is a critical thing to explore. It would be great to follow up with participants in a ‘what happened next’ type of series, once you’re done with this tour (& have the energy/inclination). Thank you though for doing this work.
Thank you.
@@drpeterboghossian Do any of your books address how others can implement your technique? I want to learn from you how I, too, can engage in similar conversations. Teach me how to Bogho!
@@iwamamamaifyCheck Peter's orange book about impossible conversations ;)
If you own a gas station and 90% of the time theft accrues are from a certain group of people what would you do?
"Wouldn't you have to know the conditions in which your belief could be false in order to justify your confidence in the belief?" Beautiful words.
in the context of this conversation America would have to not be America which is just a pointless road to go down. What is the rhetorical argument there? "If America was Zambia then you would be wrong buddy!"
@@Theyungcity23 guess you missed the point too! Il let you figure it out yourself. Sit back rela and ponder on it. You will understand that statement eventually, I have hope in you :)
@@gxqx797 You've missed the point of my comment. But instead of having a conversation I'll just let you ponder what I was getting at.
Sadly that means I will have to wonder what this "statement" is that you're saying I misunderstood because I was replying to a comment that was appreciating a question and that question was not a statement. I wasn't referring to any statement either in my comment but alas. If only there were some way...
@@Theyungcity23 the statement that was made essentially means when you affirm something to be true, you need to be aware of why it cannot be true. If everything were true, then nothing would be true. Maybe an easier way to conceptualise it is if everything was considered good, then nothing would be considered 'good'. We need diachotomies to be able to understand things. Thats essentially what was being highlighted there
That's the scientific way to search for what thing are and work,
if it can't be questioned it can't be scientifically proven either, a thing or thought that can't be questioned is just a belife and nothing else.
History repeat itself
we see the modern version of Sophism and the modern version of Socrates, and once again the Sophists wants to kill logic by using false accusations, we are still at that point 2 000+ years later, I really hope every thinking human go out there and ask thoose modern sophists simple questions that make them start to think atleast for a qecond or to because now they are just parrots for someone elses agenda.
This is proof that if you hear something repeated often enough many will believe it. Even without evidence and even believe it so vehemently that they'd resist to be dissuaded from their position. Also, she's lying - no one is catcalling her, let's be honest here.
Thats why she was fighting with them, because they weren't...
@@RubyTwilite And that is the point of all modern feminism: We don't have the fun - so we will destroy yours.
OMG finally a comment addressing that, lol. Bravo. I immediately thought the same thing.
Yep he must be a MSNBC and The View daily viewer
and nobody came up to her friend and said, "we're following you because you are black." People will lie to legitimize their belief system even when they have no evidence to support their beliefs. Most millennial college students are sheep following the wrong shepard.
That guy is going to walk away from this exchange thinking he’s so smart that people can’t understand his level of intelligence. A system is a non-human thing that controls human behaviours and interactions. Laws, processes, procedures, contracts, etc.. there’s no other definition for it, so let’s hear some examples.
That's why it's important the interviewer also know what he talks about otherwise he's reaffirming these people's ideology
But people are the system and the system is people, and so is Soylent Green!
I don't know, I think it looked like he had a very minor epiphany at 17:15 -- the way he says "hmmm, could be false..." like it's a novel concept
that point where it's clear he knows his Karl Marx but not his Karl Popper
of course that'll probably forever be the extent of his self-doubt in these topics that are religious dogma to him
I agree
@@TransRoofKorean Rare to see anyone mention Popper. Not rare to see people make claims that cannot be proven false...such as "systemic racism" for which there is not a single example.
Humm...what scares me more, paying for their education with my tax dollars while I struggle or the ballot box in the background.
This "lines of agreement" idea is genius. Because throughout the discussion, people who are close to each other in lines shows totally different opinion and make people next to them feel weird to no be group together with such extreme ideas.
I find it sad that having a discussion has to be couched in a game. They might as well have people only talking through their sock puppets to each other.
2 white kids feeling guilty isn’t very convincing.
They don't feel guilty lolol. They feel fearful of being labeled a racist
@@stepfaniehawkins205 So it can’t be both? Why not?
@@CaptainTae is it right?
@@Sandwich13455 is what right?
7:09 Critical thinking fail.
Dr. Pete, you are a real beacon of wonderfulness in the "city" of Portland. Your influence is reaching more people than ever and I applaud you for it! I met you once at a Michal Shermer lecture many years ago and I'm proud to have shook your hand. Thank you for your work!
There is 0% change her friend was asked why and they responded with “because you’re blacked.” Absolutely a lie
I do find it fascinating to look back at a younger generation and see how easily they are manipulated into believing certain things. I would guess that many of the older adults here can look back in time and see themselves in these kids. They have a very weak understanding of many things but do want to see themselves as being "good" people. That is not a bad thing. What is different in the past decade or so, is the absolute polarization of opinion and the unwillingness to consider other ideas and perspectives. This resistance or willingness to be open-minded is what makes the current younger generations comparably weaker and disadvantaged intellectually. We all need time to learn so don't be too hard on anyone. Peter is showing great restraint and patience and that's a great model of behaviour.
I love to see civil conversation, engagement and participation happening. It’s a beautiful thing.
I love how these college kids always talk about “stolen land” & “systemic racism” etc. yet they participate in ALL of the things they “want to change”. I don’t see either of these white people rushing to the registrars office to give up their spot in school for a minority to attend, or giving up their scholarship for a underprivileged kid to utilize it. I don’t see them giving up their homes (likely owned by their parents) to return it to a Native American or whoever they believe it was stolen from. In 10-15 years you won’t see them giving up their salary to someone who makes less money. They aren’t willing to give up their private medical insurance so that someone else can utilize it, or trade in their vehicle for a razor scooter to help with “global warming”… It’s odd that they are always eager to preach to the rest of us about how horrible we are because we’re privileged while they walk a moral high ground because they recognize their privilege & “fight the system”. It would be funny if it wasn’t so concerning. These people are just so, sooo clueless.
Yep. It's called virtue signaling. That's all these leftists do.
That girl has never given up a cheeseburger in her life, that's for sure. That's hell of a lot of eating for one so young. Serious issues of self-worth there that need addressing.
Virtue signaling. White liberals talk a lot but no action at all.
Well said
Well said.
How can someone say he can only strongly agree or disagree on such a blanket statement, yet cannot even defend his position with anything other than hypotheticals?
Let's give the posing guy w/sun glasses a break: kids that age can be grandiose. It's the indulging faculty members--the ones that encourage emotional reasoning--that are to blame.
Giving them a break is why we are in this pronounce, lgbtq. racist everything, nightmare. 0000.1% of the population are controlling the narrative, shaming the rest of us.
@Vince
He deserves a pass if were eight years old
He's not a kid. He's an adult who can move the needle in society. This toxic belief system is eroding society. I'm black. None of this helps. It all hurts.
The girl is pretty reasonable. The boy isn't unreasonable just believed too much that he's been told without question.
7:15 "because we are in a system, humans are systemic". That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard in my life. Everyone is dumber because of this statement. You can see the look on Peter's face when he says it. He pause's because he knows that the comment made no sense whatsoever. I am crying laughing.
I lost brain cells listening to the glasses guy
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Perfect example of "I have to say these things or I won't get my degree"
you can feel the hostility some of these people in these experiments have just for being asked questions and clarification
Kudos to the two students who stepped up and engaged in this conversation
Those who control the meaning and the use of words control the discourse.
Yes. A good example is the girl who just said "hate speech".
Yeah and their main strategy seems to be own the word, use the word religiously, but never define it. If it's defined you attach objectivity to it, and then it can be disarmed. They want to repeat the words like a mantra but leave their meanings subjective with no concrete definitions.
@@Nick-ih3xg
I agree. Words should be used as precisely as possible. When words are deliberately misused as a method to intimidate, manipulate or subjugate, a person's well-calibrated bullshit detector should pin its needle.
For those who haven't read it before, I highly recommend George Orwell's essay, Politics and the English Language.
Old news. What do you think a dictionary is?
@@monikacognomen1096
Provide your comment to the word mutilators from the regressive Lef†.
I don't believe that story about her friend for 1 second.