ENGINEER EXPLAINS WHY PLUG-IN-HYBRID 330e IS BETTER VALUE THAN GAS VERSION 330i
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- Automotive Engineer David Koichi Chao explains why the PHEV version of the 3-series, the 330e, is the better and wiser buy than the gas version 330i. David provides 5 reasons why that is the case, starting with the fact that the 330e is the cheapest 3-series you can buy in Canada.
Automotive Press is owned and managed by David Koichi Chao, a global expert in the field of automotive evaluation, consulting, and strategy. David is known around the world as an authentic specialist of Lean Thinking or Agile Thinking. Born and raised in Japan, David has an engineering degree from University of British Columbia and post-graduate education from MIT and Harvard Business School in Boston. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
I own a 330e since six months. Perfect car
What is the best mode to charge it while driving?
@@e92oreo68 in house only
How is it going ?
@@saurabhmehta4436 now a BMW I4...
How many miles do you do a day?
I’m probably looking at this car soon. Always wanted a bmw 3 series and this checks all my boxes.
Great videos and content. Thank you.
I’m concerned about remote start/ pre conditioning and fuel economy when the battery is drained how good is it? Do you still think a 23 330e is better than a 330i?
Excellent review which explains things really for someone like myself who is considering one as a company car 😊
Glad it was helpful!
Hey David. 330e rwd or xdrive in Ontario? quite a big price difference
I have the BMW 330e 2023 since 3 months and I am really agree with you and happy with my car; the car es very quiet and free noise when you drive in electric mode, but if you want to feel the real power of the car, you can switch to sport mode (xtraboost) and the sound as well is magnific. About the concerns about an 100% electric car, I feel that this car is perfect because of the capacity to swith to hybrid mode and use gasoline until you reach a charge station or to your home in your own charger. Finally, the car deliver great power in electric mode, it is not slow, and fool. This car is perfect! Thanks for the review.
For information, in the last 1000 km (621 miles), I used just 21 liters (5.63 Gal) of gasoline.
@@Titangon0903so a 110.30 mpg?!?!?!?!?!??! You’re lying. That’s near Prius levels!
@@fmartin59 I mentioned that I only needed to refill 5.63 gallons of gasoline to cover a distance of 621 miles. Of course, in my daily commute, I made sure to maintain the car's battery fully charged to minimize the consumption of fossil fuel.
does anyone use teh heads up display is it worth adding? Going back and forth beween the comfort or premium package
I have the HUD. LOVE IT!! BMW did a really good job implementing that function.
David, is the BMW 330e the product of a technology exchange between Toyota and BMW? Similar to Toyota Supra? Does the BMW 330e's plug-in hybrid technology come from Toyota?
What is your life in a flat and have no where to charge it ? How long does it take to charge ?
I've had my 2023 330e xDrive M-Sport for about 3 months now and it's been great. Looking forward to my tax credit and enjoying buying only 9 gallons every 3 weeks.
Have you used it in snow yet? Do you have all weather tires? Looking at 330e’s this weekend.
How do you feel about a 530e?
Woah the wheels changed
Are all BMW models manufactured in Germany?
Where I live, in vancouver, the 3 series xdrive is just as expensive as the m340i.
How is the reliability on this BMW vs other 2021 3 series?
So far it's been reliable.
that is why you never own a BMW past its warranty ... =)
In my country the 330e costs in between the 320i and 330i. But when it comes to resale value, even the 320i retains its value more after a few years compared to the 330e
I love it. 🤣🤣🤣
When you think about it, most people will buy a 330e because they are going to use the electric motor more than 1/2 the time. So when the car has 100,000 miles on it, the gasoline motor itself may only have 50,000 miles on it. Here in the US, the electric motor and battery have an 8 year warranty. The engine itself shares a lot of parts with the 330i - which means it can handle 330i level power, yet it's only tuned to closer to 320i's level of power.
If im buying a car its full of all extras and i dont care about resell because i want to drive it till its done
Interesting. You tout the benefits of the electric side of the 330e. (I let me be clear, I have owned a 330e for nearly a year. Already have over 12k miles on it.). During the time you were driving the car in this video, you were burning gasoline. The instrument panel borders were white, not blue, as they are when it’s running in electric mode. Just an observation, as an owner.
I have owned my 2021 BMW 330e for over a year and half now. The short answer is if a larger trunk space is the most important consideration for you, then get the 330i. Otherwise, the 330e is better or comparable in every other way. Its considerably cheaper to buy (with the US tax credit), far cheaper to operate, cheaper to maintain, and in every other way at least comparable. The 330e is perhaps the most anti-compromise vehicle choice you can make with little competition. Not crazy price to buy, amazing economy, decent sport performance, decent handling, luxury feel, and so forth. I regularly get 24-26 miles all electric if you drive normal, but can be stretched to 30 miles if you drive for max economy. Even if you never plug the car in, you will get 34-35MPG in the city.
I have also put miles on same model year/generation 330i, as my wife had it for a while as her car needed repairs for an extended period of time. The first thing that jumps out at you is just how much less refined the 330i powertrain feels in a normal driving situation. It is an afterthought vs the 330e. As if they tuned the 330e first, and then said, fine, we will also make a 330i, but we are budget limited so it will be what it will be. The 330e feels like you are driving something a lot more modern, you have options, and it builds and delivers excitement when you switch from economy to sport. The 330i drives more like an early teens 3 series. Its fine; there is nothing wrong with it. But that philosophy was different. You get the base model to be practical, and if you want more you get the slightly upgraded engine or the hugely upgraded M model. Whatever choice you made, you are stuck with that choice and its place in the philosophy. That is how it feels to drive the 330i after you have driven the 330e. Its yesterdays car, and its limits are glaringly obvious.
What repairs did your wife need on the 330E?
I'm wavering between buying a 330i and the 330e. I expect the combustion engine to give me a much more emotional ride. Isn't the 330e just a 320i with 300 kg more weight and a smaller trunk? Doesn't that rob a BMW of its soul and the "joy of driving"? I drive almost exclusively in the city and only 1 - 2 times a week to play golf about 20 km in the countryside. Soberly speaking, that speaks in favor of the 330e. But my heart actually wants something else... By the way, the color of your car is fantastic.
How is the build quality and long term reliability compared to a Lexus or Toyota? I tend to keep my cars longer than 5 years.
best hybrid is a Toyota..surprised he is even mentioning a BMW
I own a 2007 BMW 335i with around 80k miles on it. It’s a fantastic vehicle. I’ve never had any real issues with it, having owned it for about 7 years now and driving it 50k miles.
It is more expensive to maintain, for sure. Look up the cost of replacing the battery for an example, which thankfully I haven’t had to do. Oil changes are more expensive, and the tires for my low-profile rims are pricey. But every time I get behind the wheel and take it for a drive I am impressed again with its quality and fun driving feel - especially since it’s a 6 speed manual.
Anyway, I have never owned a Toyota, so my experience is anecdotal and one-sided, but I wouldn’t hesitate to buy another BMW. I don’t think it’s on par with Toyota as for reliability, or cost to own/maintain in the long run.
Definitely more expensive but toyota aren't as reliable as people think. I own a prius and it still breaks and has problems. My boss drives a 3 series with almost 200k miles on it.
@@SteveBoyer10 You can replace a battery easily by yourself. TH-cam will show you dozens of amazing videos telling you everything you need to know, oil changes are also doable DIY but you need a safe way to get under the car, or maybe you have long arms and can use a mirror for positioning and just hold something under the drain. ALSO WOAH 335i WITH A 6-SPEED MANUAL HOLY SHIT THAT'S THE COOLEST CAR EVER
@@mybugatti100 Toyota is definitely riding on reputation they got ages ago.
I own a 330e Touring xDrive since one month (that's the wagon model, available here in the old world), so I'm quite convinced this is a very good car.
However the reasons shared here sound a bit weird to me.
Firstly, reasons 1 and 2 are mutually exclusive. You can indeed run only in electric mode if your daily commute is around 40 to 50km, but you won't for sure get the performances of a 330i in pure electric mode. Electric mode is limited to 70hp plus 10s boost up to 113 hp. This is good enough, especially in a city, and the immediate torque helps, but you'll never meet the 0-60mph in 6s with electricity only. This requires the gazoline engine to be up and running. In pure Electric mode, 0-60mph is achieved in nearly 10s.
Finally, giving as 5th reason the fact to be afraid of running out of battery, is a not relevant here. You are doing a comparison with a 330i whose tank capacity as well as one way trip range are both much higher than the one of a 330e. That could be an argument if comparing with a model 3, not with a gasoline 3 series.
Exactly. This guy is high or something lol
Also I mentioned the poor safety rating of the Jeep Wrangler on a recent short and he never replied.
Thank you...that's the information I was looking for. Running in pure electric mode is best suited for puttering around town. As soon as you stomp on it, the gas motor would kick in?
I just failed finance for this car. I’m absolutely gutted I’ve wanted one for a a year, working hard and fixing my credit. Still not good enough. Devastating
22mpg. BUT I heard this only works with SUPER slow, NO a/c, No head light, No Radio, etc. so it is not really 22mpg. if you drive 40~50mph with a/c on you would only get around 17 mpg. is this true? I read multiple from online. is only 17mpg why 330e is better? with the weight of battery the gas would take alot more faster than regular 330i.
Honestly would seriously consider the all electric i4 for similar price of a 330e.
Have fun with the 320i engine.
You can use Stabil Storage to maintain gas quality
What is that?
Haha how foolish
The 330 looks great IMO, i almost like the front end better than my 530e. i didnt like the new interior of the 2023 with the giant TV screen dash....i liked how my BMW has the last generation of the classic interior and dash BMW is known for from 2018-2020..
what color is this
Salle question here. Is this phytonic mineral blue ?
Tanzanite blue
In Portugal it costs more then the other 2
my 330e has 420 hp atm just by doing stage 1
Sheesh, internals ?
Arsim sa kushton bateri hybrid nese eshte e demtuar mos ke ndonje info
Could you add a bit more details? have you done anything else besides the tune?
I stick with my 330i.. great car!
Its 2 tonne car though with me in it
Unless your drive a few miles a week PHEV is useless.. I have just purchased a 2019 registration and get 19 miles on a full charge
It's only in the theoretical realm that an electric motor has "infinite" torque, and albeit at 0 rpm. I don't think anyone per se is going to real any real benefits of this "infinite" torque sitting still. That said, EVs typically have their full torque available from 1 rpm to at least half of their rev range (massive "bottom-end torque) as opposed to the ICE in which both torque and power build from 0 off the line.
I drove a full EV, and at any stoplight derby, it's really the tires that are the limiting factor for acceleration.
So the part about immediate response (I'll leave the finer points on torque vs power for another day) is very true.
I'd only go back to ICE for nice Sunday drive on a twist canyon road in a light sports car, say a certain Mazda Miata/MX-5 or GR86.
For commutes and road trips, nothing beats EVs and hybrids, respectively.
Please don't say cheapest. Use "less expensive". Eh?
Yup
Both vehicles still have gasoline engines!!! Never use the engine??? Hahaha the electric range is around 30 miles and the gas motor kicks in over somewhere around 68 mph. Good luck not using gas. Still on the fence on this one.
If you drive it like a Prius its fine. But if you have driven a BMW all your life, this is a ridiculous choice. The point of a BMW is the fun of the drive not saving on gas
no, i just want a beautiful plugin for commute to work and 200mile trips
and 3 is as an estate (which every normal thinking person buys) way better looking thatn the c class T model
BMW plug in is not work. i just sold my X 5 plug in.
Why? Did you have problems?
Good car to lease not buy.
I have one. It’s slow and the range is poor.
yeah, you don't
I don’t?! Eh.
I totally disagree. I own a 330i and have had a 2023 330e touring for 7 weeks now. The power delivery on the 330i is better.
I use £40 of fuel in the 330i per week. For the same journey weekly I am using £40 and charging the 330e with a pathetic 22 mile range on full charge.
Highly disappointing and considering returning it for a newer fuel drive only.
1. 'Never use gas' but still have to pay to service the gas engine every year. Also gas goes bad pretty quick these days and if you try to run it with low gas it wont start.
2. 'Better performance' for about 10 miles then its slower because you're dragging around that extra 300kg with a flat battery.
3. 'Cheapest 3 series' not here it isn't, it's £10k more expensive.
4. 'More refined' ok I'll agree with that, but only for 10-15 miles ev driving.
5. 'Better range' - It has a much smaller tank than the gas car so this isn't true either.
Just get an stage 1 for the 330e,
Absolutely insane 400hp and 700 nm , dropping everyone who is laughing about this little hybrid car. It's an beast
Bet you money you can’t make the same video on the same two cars two years from now. BMW quality longevity not what it used to be.
We have been driving BMWs (10) for the last 20 years….don’t see a decline in quality at all.
@@johnclaeys376 it’s guys that don’t own those cars that talk shit😂
It's not good to try to drive your plug-in as an electric car. Gas left in you tank over 2 months will turn gas bad and eventually ruin your gas tank, clog your fuel filter, seize your fuel pump and clog up the fuel injection system resulting in very large repair bills to fix them all. Ask the Car Care Nut.
Just use gas once in 2 month🤷♂️
pure BS
Did you watch and LISTEN to the video? He admonished people to use the gas up every few months so it doesn’t go bad…
Never use gas? No, that vehicle does not have any acceptable range on electric alone.
22 miles on electric? What a joke!
Many round trip commutes are under 20 miles.
It’s a plug-in hybrid.