It's not being "anti-pronoun". It's being grounded in reality and using the correct pronouns for a man or woman (which you can't change about yourself).
Yeah… antagonizing people will just make them dislike you more than they already do… 💀 Pls be more mature when confronting people and I am not saying to be mean because you never know, especially here in the America, someone finna blow a bullet on your skull for insulting them.
Okay, I'm a left leaning Independent. I don't always agree with everything from those in this community...but this situation in particular always baffled me in regards to those who are against those labeling themselves as, "they/them". Growing up, I've learned that you can indeed call someone "they" in certain situations. Like, if I do not know the 'gender' of someone, like someone who made my custom cake, I will say something like, "they did a great job making this". The word isn't always used to talk of multiple ppl...
You mean if you don't know someone's sex. The issue is the false belief that the relevant pronouns are there to uphold your alleged 'gender identity'. They're not.
@@ikmalhakimharun3823 Hey, it don't take much for me to respect a pro noun tbh. If they look the part then I really don't put much thought into it. But admittedly, if they do not look the gender they are transitioning into....I'm like, be fucking foreal😭
As a they/them I don’t really care most people don’t support because they were raised that way or because of religion but I was raised to respect everybody and that’s the best I can do
You mean when you don't know someone's sex. 'They' and 'them' are not there to affirm your imaginary 'gender identity'. That's the point you're all missing. This issue has nothing to do with the rules of grammar.
@@pibawww According to the theory, sex and 'gender' are not the same. I'm talking about the concept of 'gender'. And yes, I know you're not 'nonbinary'. Nobody is. That's my entire point.
one day someone will inevitably say this to me and i will laugh for they are incorrect in every way. for i am multiple people. i pull my DID card!! i am immune to this stupid point/joke! disclaimer: im diagnosed and non-binary, this is all light hearted ♡
@@jonstapleton2340 because. because we don’t know any other systems irl? because we like seeing people like us? because we like a reminder we’re not alone? would you like us to continue?
Me when I point out that the Singular They is so ingrained into the modern English vernacular that opposing someone wanting to use They exclusively is stupid
people always whine & say it's confusing, but if you take 2 seconds to literally just google it, you'll find that it's been in use since the 14TH CENTURY. it is by no means new, nor is it a "neo-pronoun" as someone I spoke to tried to argue recently.
Zack said they will come to the party. Am I talking about Zack, Zack and a friend, or a group of people that told Zack they are coming. This is the reason They/Them has issues
You never use they for one person? Never? They walked up to the door. Are you now stricken with confusion because you don’t know if they have a dick or not? They can be used as a singular person. It’s been that way for as long as I’ve been speaking English.
@@trappedinamerica7740 They is used when the person is unknown to you. Once that person is known you then use he or she. To use They/ Them in all cases would make conversation odd. Mind you your doing this when talking about someone who isnt there. So its controlled speech on behave of that person. So you have to hope whoever your talking to understand what you mean. Yes They/Them can be singular. But a lot of people have moved away from how the trans want them to be used which is to be used in all cases. No one is going to get use to going back to old english like that. The issue with They/Them is the confusion that comes with it that could have been avoided. In some cases it will work and others you have the person assuming more than one person. Trans only looked at They/Them skin deep and ran with it. They didnt think of the many uses of it. Now there will be times people think your talking about more than one person. Because thats whats wildly used. I could go around asking people if their gay and I mean gay as in another word for happy but most people wont see it that way. Grammar is always evolving to be more efficient. This only back tracks on that.
What about this “My wife said her friend is coming over. She is so nice.” Am I talking about the wife or her friend. Proof that she:her makes no sense am I right????
Because you said "my wife said her friend" which mean the following sentence is referring to said friend and because you use the pronoun she it is implied to be a female friend. When you said she is nice, it is referring to the friend. It's alot harder to do it with he, him, she, and her because to use it you have to establish a person to tie it to which will be 1 person. They and them is different because it can be used in the plural and singular form. Singular being widely use in old english and faded out. I could call people gay and mean happy. Because gay ment happy back then. But if I asked today in modern times if you are gay. What do you think the response would be. Words change over time and they/them could very well go back to its old english usage. I doubt it because of the confusion it brings. Not worth the effort when she/him can be use with little to no confusion. It would have been better to use a different word other than they/them. Make up one singular pronoun but only 1 and stick to it.
@@umbralflow6883 no, I was referring to the wife. She is nice for going out with her friend or whatever I said they were doing I forgot See how confusing it can be? There are so many examples “Jack and john are going to ice skating. He is getting better at it” like you can’t tell who I’m talking about. Pronouns are weird sometimes you just have to learn to live with it
They/Them as singular is used when gender is unknown to speaker, not because a person does not like or want to acknowledge their true gender. This makes more sense and is more logical than people randomly choosing their pronouns. It IS confusing in many circumstances because we still use they/them in plural as well. Even if it wasnt confusing or stupid, people dont want to change language unless there is a really good reason. Being "binary" is not a good reason to most people. Its not even a thing to most people. Why? Bc you cannot escape being either male or female, you just can't. Nobody wants you to not be able to, you just can't!
Once had a guy tell me that he/him are meant to be gender neutral pronouns instead of they/them. When i told him that they/them pronouns have been nongendered and used singilar for hundreds of years, he told me to go back to school to learn grammar.
I had a “they/them” friend throughout high school. Even though it’s technically grammatical correct for singular use, it only works in certain social situations otherwise it’s unclear. You have to constantly clarify and it gets even more confusing when you are talking about multiple people along with the person. This is why this pronoun doesn’t actually work, because in English you shouldn’t have to constantly clarify what you mean. The actual correct gender neutral pronoun is “it.”
The reason "it" is not used is because it is dehumanizing in the use we have it today. Lots of people stopped calling animals "it" for that matter. Stop whining and be reapectful geez. Just a pronoun.
@@laultimarebanadadehumanising you say? Human. That mammal called homo sapiens. That animal with a sexually dimorphic anatomy, divided into male and female sexes.... Well, if you don't want to be categorised by human/animal definitions, you might as well not be one 😊😊
It's only grammatically correct when referring to a single person when the person's gender is unknown or ambiguous. It's analogous to the way that we use plural nouns for the number 0: I have 2 cups I have 1 cup I have 0 cups There's also the problem that people who use they/them are rarely consistent and still insist on using singular I instead of We.
A they them person is a person whose gender is unknown or ambiguous @@Droid29 also, why would they use "we" instead of "I" what the hell are you talking about
The only reason I’m conflicted about it being a part of the community as well is that in may native language there is no unsex words for anything. They/them will have to be translated as either multiple female or multiple males. I just don’t know how to do that 😅
Doesnt bother me until someone calls me cis woman and when i express that i dont like it, they say "but thats what you are" Excuse me? I am a woman. Or when i call someone that looks like a dude, sir, and then they start having a meltdown. But this is a good argument against yourself
my pronouns are never respected...i always get called a girl, even by loved ones :,) edit: idk if anyone wanted an update but i finally stood up for myself
Same... it's hard for them to unlearn introducing me as their daughter, niece etc. Others always rope me in on "girly" in jokes that start with "us girls.... blah blah". That kinda bugs me.
@@Nimoes_archive Same. My bro said "I'll never understand women." I said "Me either." He says "But you ARE a woman." Was watching a bad women's autonomy and bro says "Did you know you're not a real woman?" Lumping me in with women on the joke. Constantly calling me girl, woman, sister, she/her not even trying to learn how to make my comfy and when I ask him to use neutral or masculine words, he says "No, that feels weird coming from my mouth!"
They/them still doesn’t make any sense to me. If you are a guy people will refer to you as he or him and typically if your not present you would also be referred to as they or them. People love to over complicate things or make fun of people but it really is that easy. Same if you are a female you will be referred to as a she or her and typically while not present you may be referred to as they or them. Why people want to limit the language is crazy to me
Exactly!! I hate it when people say “well they/them is only used to refer to groups of people”. Even my family is against me on this when we discussed it. I said that it’s basic English that you can refer to a singular person as ‘they/them’ but they basically told me i’m wrong…
@@shoyohinata4544you only use they on a singular person if you can't point towards a specific person. as soon as you know who dropped the wallet, "they" is no longer the right word.
I mean you don't think it's strange that's we've gone this far as a soceity of being normal with women and men and now all of a sudden you can be anything you can be nothing. It is bizarre
The point is that you can’t police language. People will naturally say them/they/she/him etc based on the context. That’s how organic interactions go - sorry
I’m non binary and this is a pretty common thing to hear, thanks sam, my trans friend and I love watching your videos! Edit: I’m a trans guy now as well
@@isla.x. To myself or to other people? I go by he/they (for now) and it’s just because it’s natural ig and it makes sense. I can answer your question more in depth if you clarify what you’re asking :D
For the importance of clarity, I would like to provide my outside opinion. I have a cousin who uses they/them pronouns and it has always been difficult for me to maintain utilizing them, though I do try. The reason I have always had challenges with this is because: my brain is screaming at me that I am being disrespectful even though I know it's their preference. I was raised to respect and treat people as individuals, so using a mutli-person pronoun feels like I am discounting them as an individual worthy of their own merit. Conversely using it would be reducing them to something less than sentient. Truely what I wish to see happen is for one uniform gender-neutral set of pronouns to be agreed upon that is unique from the already existing language. Trying to introduce hundreds of different pronouns or reutilize existing pronouns to have new meanings or rules is just going to cause confusion and backlash. I believe that a compromise to just 1 set of gender neutral pronouns could be achieved and accepted by people on both sides.
I honestly never get the "they/them is so hard to use singularly!" argument. Dawg, they/them has been used singularly longer than you have probably been alive
@@Kilbership_Macey except it is being forced. There are places where you can get arrested for misgendering someone. That’s forced speech and that is literally fascism.
@@haleighsandovalGirl you name isn't even spelled right and you want to bitch about they/them pronouns. Go talk to your parents about removing all the extra ass letters before you start talking out your neck.
I'd call someone with the 'I'll call them whatever I want' because pronouns are stupid argument by the opposite pronouns than those they identify with just to make the point
Personally, I don't really 'believe' in some of these wacky pronouns but that's my opinion. I still respect these people tho. I'll respect and refer to you as whatever. But at the same time, I think respect should be earned. What I don't respect is people forcing their opinions on others and forcing everyone to believe whatnot. Here we are in 2024, questioning how many genders there are. (Technically there are 2 y'all)
Gender is not the same as sex. Sex is what you are assigned as, biologically from birth, depending on the pair of chromosomes you happened to be born with. Gender typically refers to masculine/feminine in terms of language, the greek and latin languages that english took root from also have specific terms for people that were neither of these. These two are not to be confused with sexual orientation. If you wanna take the high road and go "there's only 2 genders," that is incorrect, grammatically and factually. Gender identity is a relatively new concept in the history of humanity though. The first trans person to legally change their sex was in the 1930s. In this case, they used the term "transexual", not "transgender", because their sex was changed to reflect their gender identity. I think part of the problem stems from how people have appropriated certain terms despite their original intent. Like the term "cis" has popped up to denote "sex same as birth", the creator of the word didn't want it being used to create a divide between transgender people and others. And now it used almost exclusively to point out the difference between them. Plus, it just sounds nasty. Like a cat hissing. Not a huge fan. I believe that respect should be earned too, but it's not all that hard to treat others with basic decency.
I love seeing the comments in these kinds of videos. Y’all realize that by typing long paragraphs on how it’s “confusing” and you “don’t get it”.. you’re just proving that you can’t adapt. Things are constantly changing, and in the grand scheme of thing pronouns really, really don’t matter. Nobody’s holding you at gunpoint to use peoples correct pronouns, so go ahead, if you hate them then don’t use em. Just don’t make excuses on the internet for not putting in the effort of learning.
@@candycat1725 Okay, arresting is more than a bit too far, I agree. The government shouldn’t be doing that shit; free speech is a thing for a reason. And for the second comment, can you specify what’s confusing about it? It’s different for a lotta people. I commend you for at least trying.
It really depends, if they're besides you, you can still literally use they/them. "This is Danny, they're my best friend" Acts the same if they're besides you or not there. It's all about respect, respect most people that "don't believe in pronouns"(which is wild) don't get lol
@@vinito19 Not gramatically incorrect. They/them as a gender neutral pronoun has been used a long time already. But ok, if you want to be gender inclusive, what pronouns do you think people should use so non-binary people feel comfortable?
@@laultimarebanada I don't want to be gender inclusive. I don't partake in made up psychology. Sorry. To be comfortable with something outside of your control, you GROW UP. Their need to feel special is not my problem to solve. Also,when the person is standing right nex to you, like in your example, the right pronoun must be used. That "they" doesn't apply. Even if it was correct, does that mean that every other pronoun can be discarded because it isn't? Xer/xir/xor/xur and all that?
@@vinito19 Yes, neo-pronouns do exist, they are rare in instances outside social media (they are tricky for people new to them, or non english speakers.) but yeah, people can feel identified by those too! Really, respecting other people's pronouns is how we as a empathic society works, we made up words to put people in boxes so we could categorize them better in our brains. This like the concepts "women" "men" are just boxes we as a social species made up in language to represent group of ideas. Why is so impossible for us as a society to evolve and categorize people in a different box for those that don't feel represented in the boxes mentioned before? It's not like the ideas of "blue is for boys and pink is for girl" is biological to our species, it's just how our society has evolved. I'm gonna tell you this very respectfully, I don't know what goes on in every trans person's brain, I'm not every trans person after all. But most of us aren't trying to feel special or unique or for a trend. If there's an increase in our generation of people identifying as queer, it is because of our society's growing acceptance, and more people are willing to identify themselves freely, thing that years ago wouldnt have been that easy at all. But I assure you, anyone that is trans for a trend, wouldn't keep the act for more than a year, gender dysphoria is very likely to get up to them. Believe me, no one would want to be trans, we just are.
1. It is stupid 2. It’s natural and Normal to call people by female or male pronouns. It has nothing to do about wanting to call someone what they want to call them and all about calling them what they actually are. The whole thing is so dumb.
@@KingNerdius What is the purpose of going by they/them in personal relationships? I can actually understand it for business and such to avoid discrimination, but there would be no point if it's with someone you know personally.
i come from a homophobic family. i’m straight. my parents are against this stuff. personally, i don’t have a problem w it, if it makes someone feel more comfortable and better about themselves, that’s fine. the thing im not ok with is when someone new goes by they/them pronouns or js diff pronouns then how they physically look, and i unknowingly use the wrong pronouns and they flip out. u don’t have a little sign above ur head saying u go by she/her pronouns so how am i supposed to know that a 6 foot giant w a beard and no tits in a dress has she/her pronouns? i’m not going to ask every person i meet what their pronouns are and i don’t think it’s ok for ppl who accidentally call someone by the wrong pronouns gets in trouble. if i use the wrong pronouns u can politely correct me, and that’s perfectly fine. and also if u start using pronouns like xe/xem don’t expect ppl to remember that. ppl can express themselves however they want but there does come a point where u cannot expect everyone around u to accommodate-and i’m talking in general rn, not specifically abt pronouns. i personally wouldn’t change my pronouns bc that is not smth i believe in or completely agree with, but i will 100% respect the ppl who do. we can have different beliefs and that is completely ok, and we both deserve each others respect. with that being said, if someone who doesn’t have the same beliefs as u is trying to understand ur beliefs or for example calling u by the wrong pronoun, but genuinely trying to be respectful, u shouldn’t get mad at them bc they are not obligated to feel exactly as u do on everything.
Also, we have made various gender neutral neopronouns repeatedly since - IIRC - the 1960s, but none have become truly widely used. Wikipedia has an article on neopronouns, which last I checked was pretty well sourced. (If it is vandalized right now, one can always read an older version from the edit history)
@@KingNerdiusYou don't know how to think. The fact that this person thinks that was an own only demonstrates their lack of intelligence and ability to think critically. That would explain why she fell for this sexist garbage in the first place.
I don't want to be that person but that argument is ignoring how pronouns actually work. You have the first, second and third person. I don't bash people for not feeling like they fit into a gender box, but they is a third person pronoun, how big is the bagggage that you're carrying around that you need to address yourself as a multiple people?! Be your own person as in one human, keep yourself together, you got this! 💪
@@empressofmadness Wait till you find out that to be a girl, you need a vagina and a uterus. You can still pretend to be a girl though. Like 4 years olds used to do.
even if singular they is used to refer to someone whose sex is unknown, why do they care so much? i don't need people thinking about what is in my pants lol. it would be a lot less complicated to just have one pronoun used for everyone regardless of gender or sex, imo.
Bruh i had a conversation with someone online who litterally tried to convince me that he/him pronouns are supposed to be used as gender neutral pronouns and not they/them. 😂 bro was so whacky.
As someone who loves to drag both the liberals and conservatives, I’ll be honest that I don’t completely subscribe to the neopronoun stuff, but conservatives do in fact make themselves look insanely stupid when they say that they is plural only💀. No wonder no one takes them seriously. Let’s face it we all use they/them unknowingly in a singular way even before people started identifying as such, so when conservatives say that, they look like they don’t know how to read 😂
@@Mel-wn9gb then what’s it about? I’m not commenting on the entire gender discussion at large, more so how stupid people sound when they proclaim they is plural only. Regardless of whether you think grammar has anything to do with it, that point is still correct. They is plural and singular. Saying otherwise is stupid. However I will give you some credit for the liberals and conservatives part because I consider myself liberal but also have a lot of unpopular opinions about the gender discussion. Let’s be real though, it is primarily liberal people that subscribe to gender ideology and conservative people who do not, hence the word “conservative”. Their outlook on life is far more traditional when it comes to gender roles. I also never said it was anyone vs anyone. You’re lying to yourself if you don’t see that it’s primarily liberals that subscribe to gender ideology and conservatives who do not. Of course there are outliers just like everything else in life.
The problem is that while "they/them" can be used singularly, it isnt used singularly in the same context as these non-binary (attention seeking kids) use it in. For example, if I refer to someone as "they" Im still refering to that "they" with the knowledge that they are a he or a she, not that "they" is entirely seperate to the he or she it is in reference to. Its not hard to understand, and the answer should always be No when kids feel entitled to dictate what adults can say just because some new identity or fad dropped.
@@uh-ohspaghettio7826 fair point. I understand it when you put it that way, so thank you for giving me some insight, but no shade idk how many other people could articulate that as well as you did 😂. I 10000% agree with you given the way you explained this, but I genuinely have seen people who challenge gender ideology use “they is plural!!!” as a counterpoint to they/them identity, with no further elaboration. I do come from a weird standpoint though in that I’m gay and pretty liberal but have drawn a fierce line at this nonbinary, gender ideology, woke BS. It’s making normal gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transexual people look absolutely insane when we’re really just normal folks trying to have jobs and lives.
They/them pronouns are stupid because it's childish behavior. It's like those folks who get butthurt when someone says their name wrong. Get over yourself.
The earliest record of singular they/them being used was from 1375. So Idk why people are mad that it’s incorrect, it’s been like that since the late 14th century. It’s not like it’s a new change (even if it was a new thing, suck it up, you have to learn new things, that’s just something that happens in life).
@@meatrubber2 extremely funny, as if you needed a time travel machine to know, and not, I dunno, written books or letters, or pamphlets, or even bibles.
@@meatrubber2 I researched on the internet. I don’t know if that’s the earliest time it was used because that was the earliest piece of writing that’s been recorded. It probably could have been used before that and it just wasn’t recorded.
because it's grammatically incorrect. They refers to multiple things. You refers to just one thing. For example: Tad and Karen. Went to the store THEY said we'll be back shortly. QED
@@gorkskoal9315 what would you say if you saw a wallet on the street? ‘Someone lost their wallet’ or ‘someone lost his or her wallet’? Also if it’s grammatically incorrect why has it been like that since the 14th century and no one has cared until very, very recently?
Ok, I'm not a native English speaker but I think I kinda found a solution. The solution is... Basically using They/them pronouns following almost the same principles you use already for singular You and plural You. imagine this: you have a group of friends and one of these friends is also using singular they/them. Now when you are addressing one of your friends using singular you, what you do? I think you would probably say something like "hey you, [insert friend's name]"... By specifically naming your friend, you are already making clear who is the subject of your attention. Almost same thing happens with they/them. Example: "[insert friend's name who uses They/them pronouns] here, is really good at math, they are like a human calculator". If you are using their name it becomes instantly clear who you are talking about. Almost same stuff with plural You and plural They. With plural You, you probably use something like "hey you, all of you". with "All of you" being used you are making it clear that you are using it in a plural way. Now apply this to plural They (although in this case you are probably going to introduce your group of friends to another person). So you probably should say "this is my group of friends, they are awesome" or "all of them are my friends". By using "all of them" you are making it clear that they are already more than one person. And, if you choose the first option, you are already establishing a subject by calling them "my group of friends", so after that you can use they as a plural pronoun. I probably made this more long and more complicated than it actually was, but I thought that explaining the thought process behind it and also making some examples would help. In any case, the solution in short is: use a subject before using the pronouns. "Group" or "my friends" could be a subject and describes plurality. [Your friend's name] could also be a subject and addresses their singularility.
Like a trans gender person could be someone who has born a girl (short, non muscular, has boobs) that girl is unhappy with that she wants to be tall,muscular, have a flat chest and have a deep voice. Thats what being transgender is! These “non binary” ppl r not trans
“I’ll call them whatever I wanna call them” was plural… he wasn’t talking about one person he was saying he call everyone who goes by them/them what he wants… there’s not a gotcha moment here lol
Them is a term you use when you aren’t familiar with someone. So if I meet someone and say “they were really nice” it’s because I didn’t know who the person was. But if I know their name than I would say “oh yeah John is really nice” they/them is unfamiliarity. Everyone is a they/them till you get to know them. Learn English people….
@@user-uv4vf8dd5u I don't have a 'gender'. I have a sex. It's female. Now you know. You're correct you can use they or them to refer to somebody whose sex you don't know. Nothing to do with 'gender identity'.
I just have a question. Why are we all of a sudden caring so much about pronouns and announcing them? All of you say they've been a part of the English language for centuries, and yes, that's true, but why all of a sudden are they such a big deal? In simpler times we used she/her for women, he/him for men and they/them plurally or when a gender is not specified. Why can't we just stick to that?
Probably because trans peoples’ lives are so filled to the brim with reminders that so many people hate them, that intentionally misgendering them isnt helping the 82% of trans individuals that have considered suicide and 40% that have attempted it. Thats roughly 400,000 people - compared to an estimated 1.7 million total adults in the US that have attempted it. *TL;DR: Stfu*
it's just mostly Americans. you guys are bored/have no personality/and privileged as fck where u can have mental breakdown when someone 'mispronounce' you and make it ur whole personality. while ppl here get disowned/shamed/and sometimes even get killed if they know u have even a hint of gayness
I kinda don't understand they or them like I'm trying but I don't get for instance if a person is over there I be like so and so they over there or insert their name
it kewl ur trying 2 understand its just when a person doesnt feel like a man or a woman and feel in between does that make any sense? the person over there everybody does tho. singular they has been around far longer than singular you and isnt just a new thing sm1 made up. just thought i should say that
I had a full on argument with my mum about this and it turns out their teachers told them that they/them was plural. Only plural. Even with examples she argued. I had to get out a dictionary.
No, your mum was correct. They/them is plural and only plural. It can be used for single person when the gender is unknown, but as soon as the person's gender is known, it shouldn't be used anymore. It is analogous to the way plural nouns are used with the number zero: I ate 2 steaks I ate 1 steak I ate 0 steaks
@@Droid29 not at all analogous and English teachers know much more than you and disagree. It’s been singular since Shakespeare.. for a very long time and for more than unknown..third gender exists in many cultures, just say you dk anything.
Then your "English" teachers are spouting nonsense. Singular they hasn't been in regular use for ambiguous gender except for the last 50-100 years. Singular they for definite gender has only existed for the last two decades max. Third "genders" in other cultures are mostly a myth. What they actually were in most cases were different societal roles, like Eunuchs serving as personal assistants, or unique tribal roles which were assigned by tribal elders. The alternate genders of today have none of that and are just unnecessary alternates to the two actual genders. At best, they are personality declarations and owing to their frivolity and societal uselessness, should not require a reordering of language or customs. That and the fact singular definite they causes confusion is enough reason to resist it.
@@Droid29 I’ve seen the research they referred to and disagree but think what you like love. Also think about it for a minute, if your skin made people uncomfortable do you resist those people existing? Like wtf.
Y’all….biologically you either have an XY chromosome (male) or an XX chromosome (female) so, that being said unless your born with an extremely rare condition there’s literally no way that you can change your biology. It’s facts over feelings. So before you go calling us “uneducated” in grammar, maybe y’all should take a biology class. Not trying to spread hate, just trying to spread facts. And by no means do I hate anyone that uses different pronouns or anything I’m just being truthful. If you have to focus on your gender that much then there’s a problem. Again, no hate, I don’t hate you because your a member of the LGBTQ+ community (I’m bi myself) I’m just telling facts
Yeah nah dude pretty sure no matter there ain't no way using they or them to refer to someone ya don't know is male or female or to multiple people is still gonna be the way to go. But if ya genuinely want me or anyone to lie and refer to you as multiple people or both or either gender then that's kinda silly cause at the end of the day you're always gonna be male or female no matter how many identities ya want to make up for yourself to feel better. But adults got the free will that boi Jesus gave em to do whatever I'm just saying I ain't gonna support pretending to be something you're not like children do I'm just gonna speak the facts no matter what. Ya can disagree or call transphobic or any of the other phobic names or hate me that's fine but I ain't gonna hate ya I'll be praying for ya 👍
@@puffbair I know that there's delusional people that want to pretend to be something they they'll never be no matter how many parts they chop off, no matter how many hormones you pump into yourself, and no matter how much name calling you do or words that end with phobic you direct at people that point out that reality. The fact is that the only reason this stuff is so prevalent now is that now the media will threaten to label you as hateful or bigoted just for calling out people like Desiree who identified as a transwoman so he could enter a woman's only shelter and proceed to sexually assault a women staying there back in April or that boy who identified as trans so he could enter the girls locker room and sexually assault Sam's Smith's daughter or those two female prisoners that got pregnant after a transwoman was transferred to that women's only prison. Nah dude I hold no hate towards you at all as you can have whatever beliefs you want and I'll be praying for ya but no matter how much you have me or criticize my grammar the truth is that letting people do whatever they want just cause they want to live a delusion is a problem that's gotta be called out especially when it involves grown adults teaching kids that that's what they should be doing.
I love they/them pronouns so much. She/her and he/him are just like a lot. Im barely scraping by most days, having to be she/her or he/him on top of everything else? Like it literally feels like a chore. They/them feels so vanilla, so standard, and I LOVE that. So much freedom in just a blank canvas, wonderful
People really don't understand that people process differently huh😂(just so you know I don't mean to be bigoted here, I'm referring to the other people in the reply section)
@@Sp3pS No, we're asking a legitimate question. If you're going to take it upon yourselves to define not only yourselves as 'trans' and 'nonbinary', but other people as 'cis' and 'binary' or 'standard' then it's on you to explain exactly what you mean, or how do you expect us to take you seriously?
@@puffbairImagine thinking your pronouns make you interesting. Nobody past the age of 20 thinks youre interesting because you use "different" pronouns, we all recognize you as the people that havent done anything to be interesting so try to find labels to make you interesting, which never works.
@@uh-ohspaghettio7826 never said pronouns make you interesting. I’m saying that people get confused with their “identity” so they think that changing their gender, pronouns, sexuality, etc. Will fulfill them. It won’t. Pronouns are simply 2 words you identify as. You are either a She/her or a he/him. There is no in between. You physically cannot be a they/them. You and yourself are one person.
Sam's voice in this is deeper than that existential crisis I had a few days ago /j /lh
Fr tho! Love his voice 😍
@@Am3lia77 ikr!
Lol
I've never understood these tone indicators lol, even as someone who is on the spectrum
@@eleruces7722Do you mean you don't get why they're used or how they're used?
Wait until the anti-pronoun crowd learns that “me” “you” and “we” are pronouns 😱
**I**don’t use pronouns
I said this to someone once and they lost their fucking mind lmao
@@notmyrrodrick4387 isn't it fun to stoke the fire?
yea, pronouns that are not gendered and used when the said person/people are in the room.
It's not being "anti-pronoun". It's being grounded in reality and using the correct pronouns for a man or woman (which you can't change about yourself).
Imagine if people started going around hating on singular "you" and brought old English back because "you can't use plural 'you' if you're one person"
Thine pronouns are stupid
For real. Like singular they is older than singular you. But I don't hear anyone using thou.
@@waffles3629 thou shalt not call thyself "they" if thou art a single person
Girl was originally used as a word for child, regardless of gender. Do you think they’d want to bring that back?
@@Doveghost we're fine then lmao
i am 5 raccoons in a trench coat. yes i am multiple people
edit: and also there are cats in this trench coat
Shh don't let them know that's why nonbinary people use they/them. We're all racoons in trench coats
Oh, sorry, it's the NBs that are Numerous Bees. Got confused for a second there.
Pack of wolfs in a human meat suit
Mood, I'm 47 rats in a hoodie personally
37 pidions in a pillow case here
I'm not pronoun. I'm strongly antinoun. I only use verbs.
I'm is a pronoun
I is a pronoun bro
y’all it’s a joke
You just used three
I have an easy fix,I call everyone mistakes or assholes or various other insults
Changing the subjects 💀
They/then is stupid it means 2 PEOPLE WHAT DOES THEY /THEM EVEN MEAN YOUR A SHE OR A HE
based
Yeah… antagonizing people will just make them dislike you more than they already do… 💀 Pls be more mature when confronting people and I am not saying to be mean because you never know, especially here in the America, someone finna blow a bullet on your skull for insulting them.
Just like all of my exes. Smh
Okay, I'm a left leaning Independent. I don't always agree with everything from those in this community...but this situation in particular always baffled me in regards to those who are against those labeling themselves as, "they/them". Growing up, I've learned that you can indeed call someone "they" in certain situations. Like, if I do not know the 'gender' of someone, like someone who made my custom cake, I will say something like, "they did a great job making this". The word isn't always used to talk of multiple ppl...
You mean if you don't know someone's sex. The issue is the false belief that the relevant pronouns are there to uphold your alleged 'gender identity'. They're not.
Exactly, you can use it out of ignorance, because you don't know who you are talking about.
If you do know, you can't use it.
but u do know what gender they are 😂
@@ikmalhakimharun3823 Hey, it don't take much for me to respect a pro noun tbh. If they look the part then I really don't put much thought into it. But admittedly, if they do not look the gender they are transitioning into....I'm like, be fucking foreal😭
As a they/them I don’t really care most people don’t support because they were raised that way or because of religion but I was raised to respect everybody and that’s the best I can do
Well try harder by not sex stereotyping people. Thank you.
@@Mel-wn9gb what-
@@Mel-wn9gb nga what 💀
thank you. not everyone thinks the same and i hate how the lgbtq community cancels opinions other than their own.
Well as long as you’re respectful unlike so many other people in the lgptq community, I’m chilling
They can also be singular like when you dont know someones gender you say they 💀
You mean when you don't know someone's sex. 'They' and 'them' are not there to affirm your imaginary 'gender identity'. That's the point you're all missing. This issue has nothing to do with the rules of grammar.
@@Mel-wn9gb gender is sex. Also I am not non binary lol
@@pibawww According to the theory, sex and 'gender' are not the same. I'm talking about the concept of 'gender'. And yes, I know you're not 'nonbinary'. Nobody is. That's my entire point.
@@Mel-wn9gb what I was saying is that I dont identify as non binary and what theory states that sex and gender are not the same
@@pibawww The key word being 'theory', not fact.
one day someone will inevitably say this to me and i will laugh for they are incorrect in every way. for i am multiple people. i pull my DID card!! i am immune to this stupid point/joke!
disclaimer: im diagnosed and non-binary, this is all light hearted ♡
heyyyy DID gang!!’
@jellymooshy4636 aren't you already a gang by yourself though? Why are you excited?
This!! I don't personally use they/them, but I mean if they/them is used I just assume the person must be referring to more than one of us 🤣
@@jonstapleton2340 because. because we don’t know any other systems irl? because we like seeing people like us? because we like a reminder we’re not alone? would you like us to continue?
@@aarasko Y'all seriously need to go touch some grass
Thank you Sam but please go to sleep it feels like you made this at 2AM
LMAO never
@@SupraMan38 oh, got it, so it was 3am then
@@SupraMan38 Sleep now🔫
Me when I point out that the Singular They is so ingrained into the modern English vernacular that opposing someone wanting to use They exclusively is stupid
people always whine & say it's confusing, but if you take 2 seconds to literally just google it, you'll find that it's been in use since the 14TH CENTURY. it is by no means new, nor is it a "neo-pronoun" as someone I spoke to tried to argue recently.
@@dwippity I have done days worth of research trying to understand it and I still dont
@@vscogurlsksksk458 Well it's quite simple, really.
"Hi, this is my friend Enby. THEY are nonbinary. THEIR pronouns are they/them"
@@dwippity Shakespear used they/them in his fricking plays! People just don't want to learn the difference between there/their/they're
@@enbeast8350 I know how to refer to people as they/them/theirs I just don’t see the point like he or she isn’t meant to offend u
Zack said they will come to the party. Am I talking about Zack, Zack and a friend, or a group of people that told Zack they are coming. This is the reason They/Them has issues
You never use they for one person? Never?
They walked up to the door.
Are you now stricken with confusion because you don’t know if they have a dick or not?
They can be used as a singular person. It’s been that way for as long as I’ve been speaking English.
@@trappedinamerica7740 They is used when the person is unknown to you. Once that person is known you then use he or she. To use They/ Them in all cases would make conversation odd. Mind you your doing this when talking about someone who isnt there. So its controlled speech on behave of that person. So you have to hope whoever your talking to understand what you mean. Yes They/Them can be singular. But a lot of people have moved away from how the trans want them to be used which is to be used in all cases. No one is going to get use to going back to old english like that. The issue with They/Them is the confusion that comes with it that could have been avoided. In some cases it will work and others you have the person assuming more than one person. Trans only looked at They/Them skin deep and ran with it. They didnt think of the many uses of it. Now there will be times people think your talking about more than one person. Because thats whats wildly used. I could go around asking people if their gay and I mean gay as in another word for happy but most people wont see it that way. Grammar is always evolving to be more efficient. This only back tracks on that.
What about this
“My wife said her friend is coming over. She is so nice.”
Am I talking about the wife or her friend. Proof that she:her makes no sense am I right????
Because you said "my wife said her friend" which mean the following sentence is referring to said friend and because you use the pronoun she it is implied to be a female friend. When you said she is nice, it is referring to the friend. It's alot harder to do it with he, him, she, and her because to use it you have to establish a person to tie it to which will be 1 person. They and them is different because it can be used in the plural and singular form. Singular being widely use in old english and faded out. I could call people gay and mean happy. Because gay ment happy back then. But if I asked today in modern times if you are gay. What do you think the response would be. Words change over time and they/them could very well go back to its old english usage. I doubt it because of the confusion it brings. Not worth the effort when she/him can be use with little to no confusion. It would have been better to use a different word other than they/them. Make up one singular pronoun but only 1 and stick to it.
@@umbralflow6883 no, I was referring to the wife. She is nice for going out with her friend or whatever I said they were doing I forgot
See how confusing it can be?
There are so many examples
“Jack and john are going to ice skating. He is getting better at it” like you can’t tell who I’m talking about. Pronouns are weird sometimes you just have to learn to live with it
I identify as an ambulance
My pronouns are wee/woo
Who/asked
@@ponfi0275everyone apparently nowadays because you can’t use common sense anymore and people will get triggered if you don’t use the right pronoun.
Thats very bold, coming out (especially with neopronouns) is really hard. Glad you were able to in this age of transphobia
@@sambun6394 But this person is joking to be transphobic
Also, common sense is just using they/them for strangers, like a normal person.
@@ponfi0275 ur/not/funny
They/Them as singular is used when gender is unknown to speaker, not because a person does not like or want to acknowledge their true gender. This makes more sense and is more logical than people randomly choosing their pronouns. It IS confusing in many circumstances because we still use they/them in plural as well. Even if it wasnt confusing or stupid, people dont want to change language unless there is a really good reason. Being "binary" is not a good reason to most people. Its not even a thing to most people. Why? Bc you cannot escape being either male or female, you just can't. Nobody wants you to not be able to, you just can't!
Nobody has to play along with your fantasy 😂
conservatives when basic english grammar: 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱
Once had a guy tell me that he/him are meant to be gender neutral pronouns instead of they/them. When i told him that they/them pronouns have been nongendered and used singilar for hundreds of years, he told me to go back to school to learn grammar.
well, it was basic grammar, now we got all sorts of pronouns
Ironic
@@averagegameplay619guess what... grammar is made up.. I know shocking
@@mikah-uy1wn welp
I had a “they/them” friend throughout high school. Even though it’s technically grammatical correct for singular use, it only works in certain social situations otherwise it’s unclear. You have to constantly clarify and it gets even more confusing when you are talking about multiple people along with the person. This is why this pronoun doesn’t actually work, because in English you shouldn’t have to constantly clarify what you mean.
The actual correct gender neutral pronoun is “it.”
The reason "it" is not used is because it is dehumanizing in the use we have it today. Lots of people stopped calling animals "it" for that matter.
Stop whining and be reapectful geez. Just a pronoun.
@@laultimarebanadadehumanising you say?
Human. That mammal called homo sapiens. That animal with a sexually dimorphic anatomy, divided into male and female sexes....
Well, if you don't want to be categorised by human/animal definitions, you might as well not be one 😊😊
It's only grammatically correct when referring to a single person when the person's gender is unknown or ambiguous. It's analogous to the way that we use plural nouns for the number 0:
I have 2 cups
I have 1 cup
I have 0 cups
There's also the problem that people who use they/them are rarely consistent and still insist on using singular I instead of We.
A they them person is a person whose gender is unknown or ambiguous @@Droid29 also, why would they use "we" instead of "I" what the hell are you talking about
@@Droid29 I have been using they/them since ever with nonbinary people, that just sound like an skill issue to me
The only reason I’m conflicted about it being a part of the community as well is that in may native language there is no unsex words for anything. They/them will have to be translated as either multiple female or multiple males. I just don’t know how to do that 😅
Doesnt bother me until someone calls me cis woman and when i express that i dont like it, they say "but thats what you are" Excuse me? I am a woman.
Or when i call someone that looks like a dude, sir, and then they start having a meltdown. But this is a good argument against yourself
"YOU" is also a plural pronoun used for single object!
me:wakes up
sam: “they/them pronouns are stupid”
me *throws phone*
go back to sleep then, if you don’t wanna face reality
@@meatrubber2 of the clown world we live in🤡🤡🤡
@@meatrubber2 People refuse to use they to refer to a singular person, despite people using it
he said he thought they *weren’t* stupid
Okay, while it is technically grammatically correct, you’ve got to admit using they/them pronouns does lead to some unnecessary confusion.
Most are wide enough to be several people.
In many languages there aren’t even different pronouns bro, theres just two that indicate singularity and plurality
Okay?
How do the 'transgender' people in those cultures survive the lack of 'gender affirmation'? Does that make those languages transphobic? 🤔
my pronouns are never respected...i always get called a girl, even by loved ones :,)
edit: idk if anyone wanted an update but i finally stood up for myself
me too 🥲 💔
Same... it's hard for them to unlearn introducing me as their daughter, niece etc. Others always rope me in on "girly" in jokes that start with "us girls.... blah blah". That kinda bugs me.
@@Nimoes_archive Same. My bro said "I'll never understand women." I said "Me either." He says "But you ARE a woman."
Was watching a bad women's autonomy and bro says "Did you know you're not a real woman?" Lumping me in with women on the joke.
Constantly calling me girl, woman, sister, she/her
not even trying to learn how to make my comfy
and when I ask him to use neutral or masculine words, he says "No, that feels weird coming from my mouth!"
Probably bc youre born a girl 🤡
Same, except for I'm a trans guy
And I'm sorry to hear that, I respect your pronouns :)
The fact people in here are mocking Conservatives for using "they/them" pronouns in the context of numerous people is just hilarious to me.
They/them still doesn’t make any sense to me. If you are a guy people will refer to you as he or him and typically if your not present you would also be referred to as they or them. People love to over complicate things or make fun of people but it really is that easy. Same if you are a female you will be referred to as a she or her and typically while not present you may be referred to as they or them. Why people want to limit the language is crazy to me
“They dropped their wallet”
Exactly!! I hate it when people say “well they/them is only used to refer to groups of people”. Even my family is against me on this when we discussed it. I said that it’s basic English that you can refer to a singular person as ‘they/them’ but they basically told me i’m wrong…
@@shoyohinata4544you only use they on a singular person if you can't point towards a specific person. as soon as you know who dropped the wallet, "they" is no longer the right word.
We should just start calling people who complain about having to respect people's pronouns snowflakes to piss them off💀
That might actually work
Whats your pronouns?
I mean you don't think it's strange that's we've gone this far as a soceity of being normal with women and men and now all of a sudden you can be anything you can be nothing. It is bizarre
Works for me.. I'll call you a mistake so we're even 😇
@@Nathalia_NateGenuinely convinced at this point you're a super deciated shitposter
Omg your giggle was the cutest thing ever I love you AHHhH😭🥺
YES, SPIDERMAN, WE USE THEY/THEM
NOT BECAUSE WE'RE NON-BINARY BUT BECAUSE WE'RE LITERALLY TWO MFS
The point is that you can’t police language. People will naturally say them/they/she/him etc based on the context. That’s how organic interactions go - sorry
Exactly. You can’t police language. So if someone wants to use specific pronouns, they can - sorry.
I’m non binary and this is a pretty common thing to hear, thanks sam, my trans friend and I love watching your videos!
Edit: I’m a trans guy now as well
@@romeohio19 yes they are.
“Nuh uh you’re not”
Peak anti-pronoun crowd.
@@Ynwell_theslaaneshi they ai n't, dk head.
it's spelled peak anti retard crowd.
@@Ynwell_theslaaneshi yeah its so hilarious 😂
@@isla.x. To myself or to other people? I go by he/they (for now) and it’s just because it’s natural ig and it makes sense. I can answer your question more in depth if you clarify what you’re asking :D
Seek help
For the importance of clarity, I would like to provide my outside opinion. I have a cousin who uses they/them pronouns and it has always been difficult for me to maintain utilizing them, though I do try. The reason I have always had challenges with this is because: my brain is screaming at me that I am being disrespectful even though I know it's their preference. I was raised to respect and treat people as individuals, so using a mutli-person pronoun feels like I am discounting them as an individual worthy of their own merit. Conversely using it would be reducing them to something less than sentient. Truely what I wish to see happen is for one uniform gender-neutral set of pronouns to be agreed upon that is unique from the already existing language. Trying to introduce hundreds of different pronouns or reutilize existing pronouns to have new meanings or rules is just going to cause confusion and backlash. I believe that a compromise to just 1 set of gender neutral pronouns could be achieved and accepted by people on both sides.
The denial of the truth should always bother you.
Thanks king for showing them what’s up 😌
I agree, it's stupid
Based
it is stupid
Yup, it's stupid
Finally the one comment that isn’t delusional😂
Yeah it is stupid.
I honestly never get the "they/them is so hard to use singularly!" argument. Dawg, they/them has been used singularly longer than you have probably been alive
It's also an irrelevant argument, because it's not grammar that's the issue. It's the bastardization of language for ideological reasons.
This actually doesn't make any sense because when they said them they're referring to a broad amount of people and not one person specifically.
"why cant i call them what i wanna call them?"
"Okay, Daryl"
"My name is Dan"
"Sorry Denis"
forcing speech on people is literal fascism. fyi
Ignorance is bliss, remember that.
@@Kilbership_Macey please elaborate. I’m not ignorant to anything.
@@bg_aloha Nobody is forcing speech on anyone. Its about having basic human respect. Your actions have consequences.
@@Kilbership_Macey except it is being forced. There are places where you can get arrested for misgendering someone. That’s forced speech and that is literally fascism.
@@bg_aloha if you dont show basic amounts of respect, you deserve to be locked up.
“You’re not multiple people”
“Yes I am”
*yes we are
This is the best argument I've seen so far.
"Our pronouns aren't they/them because we're non-binary, it's because ae are literally two n*ggas" -Venok
This is the best argument I've seen so far.
"Our pronouns aren't they/them because we're non-binary, it's because ae are literally two n*ggas" -Venom
Calling 1 person a plural pronoun makes no sense at all
literally had this convo with my dad yesterday💀
Your poor father. Imagine thinking you're old enough to lecture your father.
“why wouldn’t i call them what i wanna call them?”
sir that’s called ✨💅disrespect💅✨
No it’s not disrespectful we’re not gonna change a whole language because yall want to go by they/them.
@@haleighsandoval it’s not changing y he language 💀💀💀
@@mercuriejmd kinda is tho it’s basically saying they= multiple people
@@haleighsandovalGirl you name isn't even spelled right and you want to bitch about they/them pronouns. Go talk to your parents about removing all the extra ass letters before you start talking out your neck.
I'd call someone with the 'I'll call them whatever I want' because pronouns are stupid argument by the opposite pronouns than those they identify with just to make the point
Personally, I don't really 'believe' in some of these wacky pronouns but that's my opinion. I still respect these people tho. I'll respect and refer to you as whatever. But at the same time, I think respect should be earned. What I don't respect is people forcing their opinions on others and forcing everyone to believe whatnot.
Here we are in 2024, questioning how many genders there are. (Technically there are 2 y'all)
Gender is not the same as sex.
Sex is what you are assigned as, biologically from birth, depending on the pair of chromosomes you happened to be born with.
Gender typically refers to masculine/feminine in terms of language, the greek and latin languages that english took root from also have specific terms for people that were neither of these.
These two are not to be confused with sexual orientation.
If you wanna take the high road and go "there's only 2 genders," that is incorrect, grammatically and factually.
Gender identity is a relatively new concept in the history of humanity though. The first trans person to legally change their sex was in the 1930s.
In this case, they used the term "transexual", not "transgender", because their sex was changed to reflect their gender identity.
I think part of the problem stems from how people have appropriated certain terms despite their original intent.
Like the term "cis" has popped up to denote "sex same as birth", the creator of the word didn't want it being used to create a divide between transgender people and others.
And now it used almost exclusively to point out the difference between them.
Plus, it just sounds nasty. Like a cat hissing. Not a huge fan.
I believe that respect should be earned too, but it's not all that hard to treat others with basic decency.
"Yo they went to the shop"
Bahahaha immediate hypocrisy 😂
Hehehehe
Omg a Non-Binary hiii
@@evan_b2011 hallo, yep I'm an enby ^_^
@@delsings cool! I used to be!
I'm omni and poly lol
@@evan_b2011 oh omnigender? Cool! I think you are the first I've met who identifies that way. Pleasure to meetcha
Literally my conversation I had recently with a family member 😂
I love seeing the comments in these kinds of videos. Y’all realize that by typing long paragraphs on how it’s “confusing” and you “don’t get it”.. you’re just proving that you can’t adapt. Things are constantly changing, and in the grand scheme of thing pronouns really, really don’t matter. Nobody’s holding you at gunpoint to use peoples correct pronouns, so go ahead, if you hate them then don’t use em. Just don’t make excuses on the internet for not putting in the effort of learning.
Actually there’s lots of people getting arrested for not using they/them on people
And I have tried to learn and understand it yet it still is confusing and makes no sense
@@candycat1725 Okay, arresting is more than a bit too far, I agree. The government shouldn’t be doing that shit; free speech is a thing for a reason. And for the second comment, can you specify what’s confusing about it? It’s different for a lotta people. I commend you for at least trying.
@@candycat1725 are these “lots of people” in the room with you right now?
@@candycat1725 Bro who got arrested for not using they/them…
If none of you have ever realized, the only time you refer to a singular person as they or them is when you're not in their presence
It really depends, if they're besides you, you can still literally use they/them.
"This is Danny, they're my best friend" Acts the same if they're besides you or not there. It's all about respect, respect most people that "don't believe in pronouns"(which is wild) don't get lol
@@laultimarebanadathat's grammatically incorrect. Refrain from using that as a validation. Sorry
@@vinito19 Not gramatically incorrect. They/them as a gender neutral pronoun has been used a long time already.
But ok, if you want to be gender inclusive, what pronouns do you think people should use so non-binary people feel comfortable?
@@laultimarebanada I don't want to be gender inclusive. I don't partake in made up psychology. Sorry. To be comfortable with something outside of your control, you GROW UP. Their need to feel special is not my problem to solve.
Also,when the person is standing right nex to you, like in your example, the right pronoun must be used. That "they" doesn't apply. Even if it was correct, does that mean that every other pronoun can be discarded because it isn't? Xer/xir/xor/xur and all that?
@@vinito19 Yes, neo-pronouns do exist, they are rare in instances outside social media (they are tricky for people new to them, or non english speakers.) but yeah, people can feel identified by those too!
Really, respecting other people's pronouns is how we as a empathic society works, we made up words to put people in boxes so we could categorize them better in our brains. This like the concepts "women" "men" are just boxes we as a social species made up in language to represent group of ideas. Why is so impossible for us as a society to evolve and categorize people in a different box for those that don't feel represented in the boxes mentioned before? It's not like the ideas of "blue is for boys and pink is for girl" is biological to our species, it's just how our society has evolved.
I'm gonna tell you this very respectfully, I don't know what goes on in every trans person's brain, I'm not every trans person after all. But most of us aren't trying to feel special or unique or for a trend. If there's an increase in our generation of people identifying as queer, it is because of our society's growing acceptance, and more people are willing to identify themselves freely, thing that years ago wouldnt have been that easy at all. But I assure you, anyone that is trans for a trend, wouldn't keep the act for more than a year, gender dysphoria is very likely to get up to them. Believe me, no one would want to be trans, we just are.
“My pronouns are They/Them. Not because I’m non-binary, but because I’m literally two mfs!” - Diavolo and Doppio/Eddie and Venom
1. It is stupid 2. It’s natural and Normal to call people by female or male pronouns. It has nothing to do about wanting to call someone what they want to call them and all about calling them what they actually are. The whole thing is so dumb.
I identify as dead. Please stop sending me bills.
They and them are general terms. If i am talking about a specific person i will most likely refer to them as she or he.
Unless they go by they/them
@@KingNerdius What is the purpose of going by they/them in personal relationships? I can actually understand it for business and such to avoid discrimination, but there would be no point if it's with someone you know personally.
@@ToidiSoup yes there would be, if you are nonbinary or gender non conforming then you go by they/them, simple
@@KingNerdius you mean like intersex people?
@@ToidiSoupsex doesn’t have anything to do with it
I’m not obligated to call you anything sweet heart ❤ whether it’s were/was, bii/bee/ or zee/zir. Respect isn’t demanded, it’s given.
And offense isn’t given, it’s taken
@@FishJesus420 Wasn’t offended I was telling the truth
You clearly give none… nobody is demanding more than you are being called female pronouns..😭😅🤔
@@illicitaffairsxmarjorie yeah I’m on your side
@@FishJesus420just now saw this so sorry lol
i come from a homophobic family. i’m straight. my parents are against this stuff. personally, i don’t have a problem w it, if it makes someone feel more comfortable and better about themselves, that’s fine. the thing im not ok with is when someone new goes by they/them pronouns or js diff pronouns then how they physically look, and i unknowingly use the wrong pronouns and they flip out. u don’t have a little sign above ur head saying u go by she/her pronouns so how am i supposed to know that a 6 foot giant w a beard and no tits in a dress has she/her pronouns? i’m not going to ask every person i meet what their pronouns are and i don’t think it’s ok for ppl who accidentally call someone by the wrong pronouns gets in trouble. if i use the wrong pronouns u can politely correct me, and that’s perfectly fine. and also if u start using pronouns like xe/xem don’t expect ppl to remember that. ppl can express themselves however they want but there does come a point where u cannot expect everyone around u to accommodate-and i’m talking in general rn, not specifically abt pronouns.
i personally wouldn’t change my pronouns bc that is not smth i believe in or completely agree with, but i will 100% respect the ppl who do. we can have different beliefs and that is completely ok, and we both deserve each others respect. with that being said, if someone who doesn’t have the same beliefs as u is trying to understand ur beliefs or for example calling u by the wrong pronoun, but genuinely trying to be respectful, u shouldn’t get mad at them bc they are not obligated to feel exactly as u do on everything.
Thank you I needed that 😅
Having a third option for pronouns is good but couldn’t we have made a different word other than they
I think it's just because it's easier than having to create a new word, since people would complain more about a new word than just using they/them
Also, we have made various gender neutral neopronouns repeatedly since - IIRC - the 1960s, but none have become truly widely used. Wikipedia has an article on neopronouns, which last I checked was pretty well sourced. (If it is vandalized right now, one can always read an older version from the edit history)
Weakest generation in all of human history, I swear. 😂
How
@@KingNerdiusYou don't know how to think. The fact that this person thinks that was an own only demonstrates their lack of intelligence and ability to think critically. That would explain why she fell for this sexist garbage in the first place.
No it’s not💀
Huh?
Fr😭never thought I would see a day coming where people cry about their pronouns
I don't want to be that person but that argument is ignoring how pronouns actually work. You have the first, second and third person. I don't bash people for not feeling like they fit into a gender box, but they is a third person pronoun, how big is the bagggage that you're carrying around that you need to address yourself as a multiple people?! Be your own person as in one human, keep yourself together, you got this! 💪
I used to think it's dumb and now I go by they them
Character development
@@L0rdOfThePies perhaps. Took me too long to realize that wanting to be a girl meant I could be one
@@empressofmadness I’m glad you’ve found yourself out of it atleast. That’s what its all for anyway imo
@@L0rdOfThePies ye
@@empressofmadness Wait till you find out that to be a girl, you need a vagina and a uterus. You can still pretend to be a girl though. Like 4 years olds used to do.
even if singular they is used to refer to someone whose sex is unknown, why do they care so much? i don't need people thinking about what is in my pants lol.
it would be a lot less complicated to just have one pronoun used for everyone regardless of gender or sex, imo.
It's almost like gender as a concept is purely cosmetic and pretty much functionally useless!
Bruh i had a conversation with someone online who litterally tried to convince me that he/him pronouns are supposed to be used as gender neutral pronouns and not they/them. 😂 bro was so whacky.
Sam's voice is deeper than mine, and I was AMAB with male puberty (for the first run)
This is a whole mood tho 😂
As someone who loves to drag both the liberals and conservatives, I’ll be honest that I don’t completely subscribe to the neopronoun stuff, but conservatives do in fact make themselves look insanely stupid when they say that they is plural only💀. No wonder no one takes them seriously. Let’s face it we all use they/them unknowingly in a singular way even before people started identifying as such, so when conservatives say that, they look like they don’t know how to read 😂
The argument is as stupid as implying that this is a liberal vs conservative issue, or that it's about the rules of grammar.
@@Mel-wn9gb then what’s it about? I’m not commenting on the entire gender discussion at large, more so how stupid people sound when they proclaim they is plural only. Regardless of whether you think grammar has anything to do with it, that point is still correct. They is plural and singular. Saying otherwise is stupid. However I will give you some credit for the liberals and conservatives part because I consider myself liberal but also have a lot of unpopular opinions about the gender discussion. Let’s be real though, it is primarily liberal people that subscribe to gender ideology and conservative people who do not, hence the word “conservative”. Their outlook on life is far more traditional when it comes to gender roles. I also never said it was anyone vs anyone. You’re lying to yourself if you don’t see that it’s primarily liberals that subscribe to gender ideology and conservatives who do not. Of course there are outliers just like everything else in life.
The problem is that while "they/them" can be used singularly, it isnt used singularly in the same context as these non-binary (attention seeking kids) use it in.
For example, if I refer to someone as "they" Im still refering to that "they" with the knowledge that they are a he or a she, not that "they" is entirely seperate to the he or she it is in reference to.
Its not hard to understand, and the answer should always be No when kids feel entitled to dictate what adults can say just because some new identity or fad dropped.
@@uh-ohspaghettio7826 fair point. I understand it when you put it that way, so thank you for giving me some insight, but no shade idk how many other people could articulate that as well as you did 😂. I 10000% agree with you given the way you explained this, but I genuinely have seen people who challenge gender ideology use “they is plural!!!” as a counterpoint to they/them identity, with no further elaboration. I do come from a weird standpoint though in that I’m gay and pretty liberal but have drawn a fierce line at this nonbinary, gender ideology, woke BS. It’s making normal gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transexual people look absolutely insane when we’re really just normal folks trying to have jobs and lives.
In Kikongo, there is no "him" nor "her"...everyone is YANDI, regardless of the gender. So, you can't misgender anyone.
Based society 11/10 would forcefully install into out government /j
They/them pronouns are stupid because it's childish behavior. It's like those folks who get butthurt when someone says their name wrong. Get over yourself.
No
@@myrddin1 Corporate shill.
@@dominusdevacore517 no
God Bless whoever is reading this❤
The earliest record of singular they/them being used was from 1375. So Idk why people are mad that it’s incorrect, it’s been like that since the late 14th century. It’s not like it’s a new change (even if it was a new thing, suck it up, you have to learn new things, that’s just something that happens in life).
oh yeah? did you travel back in time to find that out or what? where’s your proof?
@@meatrubber2 extremely funny, as if you needed a time travel machine to know, and not, I dunno, written books or letters, or pamphlets, or even bibles.
@@meatrubber2 I researched on the internet. I don’t know if that’s the earliest time it was used because that was the earliest piece of writing that’s been recorded. It probably could have been used before that and it just wasn’t recorded.
because it's grammatically incorrect. They refers to multiple things. You refers to just one thing. For example: Tad and Karen. Went to the store THEY said we'll be back shortly. QED
@@gorkskoal9315 what would you say if you saw a wallet on the street? ‘Someone lost their wallet’ or ‘someone lost his or her wallet’?
Also if it’s grammatically incorrect why has it been like that since the 14th century and no one has cared until very, very recently?
The giggly "stfu" at the end was so cute for some reason
I kinda wish there was a way to specify plural vs singular, would prevent confusion.
Ok, I'm not a native English speaker but I think I kinda found a solution. The solution is... Basically using They/them pronouns following almost the same principles you use already for singular You and plural You.
imagine this: you have a group of friends and one of these friends is also using singular they/them.
Now when you are addressing one of your friends using singular you, what you do? I think you would probably say something like "hey you, [insert friend's name]"... By specifically naming your friend, you are already making clear who is the subject of your attention. Almost same thing happens with they/them.
Example: "[insert friend's name who uses They/them pronouns] here, is really good at math, they are like a human calculator". If you are using their name it becomes instantly clear who you are talking about.
Almost same stuff with plural You and plural They. With plural You, you probably use something like "hey you, all of you". with "All of you" being used you are making it clear that you are using it in a plural way. Now apply this to plural They (although in this case you are probably going to introduce your group of friends to another person). So you probably should say "this is my group of friends, they are awesome" or "all of them are my friends". By using "all of them" you are making it clear that they are already more than one person. And, if you choose the first option, you are already establishing a subject by calling them "my group of friends", so after that you can use they as a plural pronoun.
I probably made this more long and more complicated than it actually was, but I thought that explaining the thought process behind it and also making some examples would help.
In any case, the solution in short is: use a subject before using the pronouns. "Group" or "my friends" could be a subject and describes plurality. [Your friend's name] could also be a subject and addresses their singularility.
The first guy is speaking straight facts
I'm sorry Sam for all the transphobic rancid omelettes in the replies, thanks for supporting us!
I’m bisexual and I support trans people but how is not wanting to use they/them pronouns on ppl transphobic?
Like a trans gender person could be someone who has born a girl (short, non muscular, has boobs) that girl is unhappy with that she wants to be tall,muscular, have a flat chest and have a deep voice. Thats what being transgender is! These “non binary” ppl r not trans
@@vscogurlsksksk458 so like... I do not think you fully grasp what being transgender means
Apparently TH-cam shorts can attract some nasty people.
@@vscogurlsksksk458 Trans = doesn’t assign with gender at birth. Not always just FTM or MTF.
“I’ll call them whatever I wanna call them” was plural… he wasn’t talking about one person he was saying he call everyone who goes by them/them what he wants… there’s not a gotcha moment here lol
Somebody doesn't know basic English it seems.
@@shreksmeatballs9435 uh yeah I do…. Y’all don’t have any comprehension skills lmao. Point out exactly where I was wrong if apparently I was 🤣
Them is a term you use when you aren’t familiar with someone. So if I meet someone and say “they were really nice” it’s because I didn’t know who the person was. But if I know their name than I would say “oh yeah John is really nice” they/them is unfamiliarity. Everyone is a they/them till you get to know them. Learn English people….
They/Them pronouns can be used for multiple people or a singular person whos gender is unknown.
Whose sex is unknown.
@@Mel-wn9gb People online is one example. I don't know what your gender is
@@user-uv4vf8dd5u I don't have a 'gender'. I have a sex. It's female. Now you know. You're correct you can use they or them to refer to somebody whose sex you don't know. Nothing to do with 'gender identity'.
I just have a question. Why are we all of a sudden caring so much about pronouns and announcing them? All of you say they've been a part of the English language for centuries, and yes, that's true, but why all of a sudden are they such a big deal? In simpler times we used she/her for women, he/him for men and they/them plurally or when a gender is not specified. Why can't we just stick to that?
Because they're narcissistic and egotistical. They think that they have transcended beyond gender.
Probably because trans peoples’ lives are so filled to the brim with reminders that so many people hate them, that intentionally misgendering them isnt helping the 82% of trans individuals that have considered suicide and 40% that have attempted it. Thats roughly 400,000 people - compared to an estimated 1.7 million total adults in the US that have attempted it. *TL;DR: Stfu*
Because people live in a bubble nowadays. This generation would have never survived in the 70's
it's just mostly Americans. you guys are bored/have no personality/and privileged as fck where u can have mental breakdown when someone 'mispronounce' you and make it ur whole personality. while ppl here get disowned/shamed/and sometimes even get killed if they know u have even a hint of gayness
that's still how it is lmao. i aint calling a man she/her
I laughed so hard. This joke never gets old and your little laugh sent me 😂
I can’t say they or them when referring to a group of people now because it feels weird that other people prefer to be called many people
it's so weird when people think that they them is only used for multiple people
It's even weirder when people think that they're used to affirm their imaginary 'gender identities'.
I kinda don't understand they or them like I'm trying but I don't get for instance if a person is over there I be like so and so they over there or insert their name
it kewl ur trying 2 understand its just when a person doesnt feel like a man or a woman and feel in between does that make any sense? the person over there everybody does tho. singular they has been around far longer than singular you and isnt just a new thing sm1 made up. just thought i should say that
You would just say "they over there" and then if further clarification is needed "that person"
I had a full on argument with my mum about this and it turns out their teachers told them that they/them was plural. Only plural. Even with examples she argued. I had to get out a dictionary.
Whoever taught this isn't correct bc singular they was around since the 1300s but maybe a bunch of teachers just didn't care to know that..
No, your mum was correct. They/them is plural and only plural. It can be used for single person when the gender is unknown, but as soon as the person's gender is known, it shouldn't be used anymore. It is analogous to the way plural nouns are used with the number zero:
I ate 2 steaks
I ate 1 steak
I ate 0 steaks
@@Droid29 not at all analogous and English teachers know much more than you and disagree. It’s been singular since Shakespeare.. for a very long time and for more than unknown..third gender exists in many cultures, just say you dk anything.
Then your "English" teachers are spouting nonsense. Singular they hasn't been in regular use for ambiguous gender except for the last 50-100 years. Singular they for definite gender has only existed for the last two decades max.
Third "genders" in other cultures are mostly a myth. What they actually were in most cases were different societal roles, like Eunuchs serving as personal assistants, or unique tribal roles which were assigned by tribal elders. The alternate genders of today have none of that and are just unnecessary alternates to the two actual genders. At best, they are personality declarations and owing to their frivolity and societal uselessness, should not require a reordering of language or customs. That and the fact singular definite they causes confusion is enough reason to resist it.
@@Droid29 I’ve seen the research they referred to and disagree but think what you like love. Also think about it for a minute, if your skin made people uncomfortable do you resist those people existing? Like wtf.
"I'm gonna call you by what I want to then."
Y’all….biologically you either have an XY chromosome (male) or an XX chromosome (female) so, that being said unless your born with an extremely rare condition there’s literally no way that you can change your biology. It’s facts over feelings. So before you go calling us “uneducated” in grammar, maybe y’all should take a biology class. Not trying to spread hate, just trying to spread facts. And by no means do I hate anyone that uses different pronouns or anything I’m just being truthful. If you have to focus on your gender that much then there’s a problem. Again, no hate, I don’t hate you because your a member of the LGBTQ+ community (I’m bi myself) I’m just telling facts
guys my pronouns are "chair" "sun" and "dog"
Yeah nah dude pretty sure no matter there ain't no way using they or them to refer to someone ya don't know is male or female or to multiple people is still gonna be the way to go. But if ya genuinely want me or anyone to lie and refer to you as multiple people or both or either gender then that's kinda silly cause at the end of the day you're always gonna be male or female no matter how many identities ya want to make up for yourself to feel better. But adults got the free will that boi Jesus gave em to do whatever I'm just saying I ain't gonna support pretending to be something you're not like children do I'm just gonna speak the facts no matter what. Ya can disagree or call transphobic or any of the other phobic names or hate me that's fine but I ain't gonna hate ya I'll be praying for ya 👍
Amen
Ill identify as grammarly if it helps your run-on sentences
@@puffbair identify as whatever you want dude. Imma keep stating the facts even if I make some grammar mistakes.
@@theotherbk1819 at least you stopped making grammar mistakes, but you still clearly dont know what facts means
@@puffbair I know that there's delusional people that want to pretend to be something they they'll never be no matter how many parts they chop off, no matter how many hormones you pump into yourself, and no matter how much name calling you do or words that end with phobic you direct at people that point out that reality. The fact is that the only reason this stuff is so prevalent now is that now the media will threaten to label you as hateful or bigoted just for calling out people like Desiree who identified as a transwoman so he could enter a woman's only shelter and proceed to sexually assault a women staying there back in April or that boy who identified as trans so he could enter the girls locker room and sexually assault Sam's Smith's daughter or those two female prisoners that got pregnant after a transwoman was transferred to that women's only prison. Nah dude I hold no hate towards you at all as you can have whatever beliefs you want and I'll be praying for ya but no matter how much you have me or criticize my grammar the truth is that letting people do whatever they want just cause they want to live a delusion is a problem that's gotta be called out especially when it involves grown adults teaching kids that that's what they should be doing.
Except in this context them is referring to the set of people requesting to be referred as they/them, not an individual person
When you’re referring to an unknown person or persons you say they/them. Never when referring to a known individual. Smfh
It bothers me because they change it all the time. And if i said something wrong they are so pissed about it.
???
There are two genders. Two pronouns.
They and them refers to multiple people
But then again, this is 2023. All we know is gayness and pronouns, eh?
No
'me' 'you' and 'we' are all pronouns pro there arent just two lmfaooo
@user-cb4zz7ud9f but even then, singular they has been used for literal centuries
@@musicobsessive123 Not in referring to weirdos who claim to be neither male or female it hasn’t 🤣🤣🤣
What would you call a person who you can't tell the biological sex of then?
I love they/them pronouns so much. She/her and he/him are just like a lot. Im barely scraping by most days, having to be she/her or he/him on top of everything else? Like it literally feels like a chore. They/them feels so vanilla, so standard, and I LOVE that. So much freedom in just a blank canvas, wonderful
What do you mean by standard, in terms of human beings?
People really don't understand that people process differently huh😂(just so you know I don't mean to be bigoted here, I'm referring to the other people in the reply section)
@@Sp3pS No, we're asking a legitimate question. If you're going to take it upon yourselves to define not only yourselves as 'trans' and 'nonbinary', but other people as 'cis' and 'binary' or 'standard' then it's on you to explain exactly what you mean, or how do you expect us to take you seriously?
Chillest arguement ever
Wasn't they them is where you do not know their gender?
either that or they dont feel like a man or a woman.
@@k3nzEETV Oh okay my fault
@@green-909 dam ty 4 understanding that was quick
@@k3nzEETV yw
The point is, the whole English dictionary is confusing enough as it is, don’t make it more confusing just bc you get bored of yourself
Maybe people wouldnt get bored if normie binary pronouns werent so basic
@@puffbairThat’s a good way to get people to accept you insult an entire group of people because one person called your beliefs stupid.
@@puffbairImagine thinking your pronouns make you interesting. Nobody past the age of 20 thinks youre interesting because you use "different" pronouns, we all recognize you as the people that havent done anything to be interesting so try to find labels to make you interesting, which never works.
this kid can’t handle a few more letters
@@uh-ohspaghettio7826 never said pronouns make you interesting. I’m saying that people get confused with their “identity” so they think that changing their gender, pronouns, sexuality, etc. Will fulfill them. It won’t. Pronouns are simply 2 words you identify as. You are either a She/her or a he/him. There is no in between. You physically cannot be a they/them. You and yourself are one person.
The comedic timing is 🤌🤌🤌 hope Sam keeps making shorts!! And yeah this is exactly how this shit goes
My mom said this when I. Came out as they them. They always use the theys as a singular pronoun, it's so funny.😂
You thought you ate that? 💀
Well, yes, because we have lives beyond bullying people for using they/them.
@@cucaresto9108 nope, you’re the one bullying people into your ideology. Y’all made the community so toxic that we ditched the T altogether. #LGB
@@FoodIsOverratedcope lmfao
@@FoodIsOverrated🤡
@@Kilbership_Maceyagreed
Yes king preach