We need more people to speak up against the craze lining the pockets of mineral middlemen. It's all a big marketing ploy. You can tell by how quickly hydrogen cars were brushed off the table.
You missed the part where he says to get a UL certified device. It isn't about the EV being an issue, it is about non-certified mobility devices being an issue.
So glad I didn't get one. I got a real trike bike instead. Thank you for the validation. I also saved $1200 and I don't have to worry about it bursting into flames or killing me. Yay!
If I ever get an ebike, I'll also be looking into a some sort of safe container for charging it in. I was thinking of a small, cast iron wood stove with the stack venting out a window.
There are companies that sell fireproof lockers for micromobility devices. One thing they fail to consider is ventilation. You're absolutely correct. The gasses from a failing battery need to vent outside.
Great and timely video for the season. One of the problems is that many makers (at least of small electronics) have no scruples about putting a fake UL or the EU equivalent on the whatever. Heck it's only a label. 9000mAh 18650 battery? - sure why not. Not like the consumer has any redress for fakes. Very informative channel. Thanks.
While riding my mountain bike, I feel the fire and explosions in my legs. Human thermal runaway 😂😂... Chemical reactions & physics... Much respect for both. #PhysicsRule #science #StayInSchool 👍💣💥👀
I've heard a lot about the risks of these devices. They're a lot more accessible to purchase than EVs and probably a lot harder to regulate. I've heard that when the Hoverboard first became popular, there was a huge rush for lots of random companies to produce cheap knockoffs of these products without proper quality control or testing in order to be on the hype train as fast as possible. Unlike EVs, these also tend to be charged indoors rather than outdoors, which maximises the dangers of fire and toxic gas in an enclosed space. Fire safety teaches that one should never leave an oven unattended while cooking and I believe that should also apply to a microEV device when charging. (not that it gives enough time to get the device somewhere isolated.) I try to never charge any of my electronic devices (phone, laptop etc) on charge overnight or when I'm not in, despite the significantly lower fire risk (it at least maximises battery health since they're not left charging at 100%).
How does an E-bike / E- scooter compare to a Red Ryder carbine-action 200-shot range model air rifle or the leg lamp? < Humor > (A Christmas Story 1983)
Entertaining. As noted near the end of the video, it is not the devices themselves, it is uncertified devices that are the majority of the issue with poorly manufactured batteries and improper charging systems. It is also abuse of the devices. I think it is important to tell people to follow the manufacturer's requirements and recommendations to avoid issues. Also charge to the recommended levels when storing the device. The goal is to make people safer and not to ban electric mobility devices.
I've had my inmotion (mini Segway) for about 9 years or so. The "hoverboard" craze came soon after. Knowing how Chinese manufacturing works it was no surprise that a lot of those were going up in flames. My inmotion and their "hoverboard" were built to a very high standard, but I had many problems using my inmotion because people were afraid it was going to explode. Things improved back then with the "hoverboards" through regulation and enforcement. It's tough, but it has to be done again.
Thanks! I feel that this came out when needed. Especially when someone gets the cheap batteries that aren’t necessarily well-made. The E-Bike shop burning down in NYC was an infamous case of this.
The problem is, the "solution" he offered is no solution at all. He reccomends buying "UL certified batteries" as if this means anything whatsoever. Do you have any idea how much more expensive it is to print UL on your sticker as opposed to the other lies on the label? A UL certification is only worthwhile if the UL certification actually happened as opposed to just slapping a UL label on the product. The only real solution is to buy a product that is at least labeled from a Western brand, like Schwinn in the case of bikes and Segway in the case of scooters. This way you have someone to sue. If your Schwinn e-bike burns your house down and kills your children, you can at least sue Schwinn. American courts have no authority in China.
Ok this is a funny coincidence, while watching this and seeing that last bike exploding like it did, fire trucks went by with sirens and all while listening to this video. Concerning these devices, at first I thought well if it catches fire, open the door and throw them outside, but the more I saw, the more I understood that you might not even have the chance to do so because of the gas released, the flame thrower effects that happens sometimes and all of that. Also I'm guessing our first reflex would be to use water on it but I think that's a perfect case of having an up to date fire extinguisher for fires like this but I'm no fire fighter so I can be totally wrong here.
As Stache said water won't work in this type of fire, it may even make it worse, something like a Carbon dioxide or other extinguisher might, but don't quote me on that, but I would think anything that can put out electrical fires would work, again check with someone who knows.
@@sheilaolfieway1885 Yeah when Stache replied it made me recall the runaway batteries underwater video of his I watched and went yeah.. if a car can burn underwater, a bucket of water won't do much to stop it but thx for the info. You have a good one.
Thanks for sharing as always, great information! Dumb question- Other than a larger battery obviously being more dangerous if it fails, what exactly makes electric mobility devices so much more dangerous than the phones, tablets, laptops, power banks, power tools, etc we use on a daily basis without any consideration of fire safety? Is it just a matter of bad designs and low quality? Do batteries in E mobility devices really fail at a much higher rate than batteries in other devices, or do we just hear about it more since they are newer and the results tend to be more catastrophic? I mean no one even thinks twice about charging their mobile devices with the same type of battery unattended and no one says you shouldn't, but many say we should never even bring E mobility devices into our house. While the larger battery obviously can explode more violently than, for example, a laptop battery, if either caught fire inside while unattended, the end result will still very likely be that the house burns down regardless of the initial source of the fire, so what are the differences? I think explaining the differences would make a great video.
Your cell phone or laptop only has one battery cell. A micromobility device has hundreds. It needs a more robust battery management system to ensure safety.
@@StacheDTraining That makes perfect sense, thanks for explaining! Managing and balancing something like 3-9 cells in a laptop battery pack is certainly very different than managing hundreds or thousands of cells in an electric mobility device or vehicle. Great point!
Wow ! the pile of burned e-bike. You can add to the danger the speed those device can achieve.
We need more people to speak up against the craze lining the pockets of mineral middlemen.
It's all a big marketing ploy.
You can tell by how quickly hydrogen cars were brushed off the table.
This is where the EV deciples come out and say push bikes explode at higher rates than mobility scooters......
You missed the part where he says to get a UL certified device. It isn't about the EV being an issue, it is about non-certified mobility devices being an issue.
@@yodaiam1000EV boy triggered.....
@@markc6714 He must be fun at parties.
@@markc6714 No, I am just saying the issue is about getting a UL certified device and not the EV itself. You might be projecting.
@@yodaiam1000 projecting what? My secret love of EV sh#t boxes?
We need an update for this. Second hand micromobility devices are being advertised on TH-cam every day! People need to be aware of the risks.
So glad I didn't get one.
I got a real trike bike instead.
Thank you for the validation.
I also saved $1200 and I don't have to worry about it bursting into flames or killing me. Yay!
If I ever get an ebike, I'll also be looking into a some sort of safe container for charging it in. I was thinking of a small, cast iron wood stove with the stack venting out a window.
You mean, *_remove the battery to charge?_*
There are companies that sell fireproof lockers for micromobility devices. One thing they fail to consider is ventilation. You're absolutely correct. The gasses from a failing battery need to vent outside.
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Great and timely video for the season.
One of the problems is that many makers (at least of small electronics) have no scruples about putting a fake UL or the EU equivalent on the whatever. Heck it's only a label.
9000mAh 18650 battery? - sure why not. Not like the consumer has any redress for fakes.
Very informative channel. Thanks.
Great opening! Coolest dad, ever, giving a bomb to his kid for Christmas!
Forget it kid, you'll put your eye out!
Kid says, "It's the bomb".
Ring in the New Year with a BANG.
While riding my mountain bike, I feel the fire and explosions in my legs. Human thermal runaway 😂😂... Chemical reactions & physics... Much respect for both. #PhysicsRule #science #StayInSchool 👍💣💥👀
I've heard a lot about the risks of these devices. They're a lot more accessible to purchase than EVs and probably a lot harder to regulate.
I've heard that when the Hoverboard first became popular, there was a huge rush for lots of random companies to produce cheap knockoffs of these products without proper quality control or testing in order to be on the hype train as fast as possible.
Unlike EVs, these also tend to be charged indoors rather than outdoors, which maximises the dangers of fire and toxic gas in an enclosed space.
Fire safety teaches that one should never leave an oven unattended while cooking and I believe that should also apply to a microEV device when charging. (not that it gives enough time to get the device somewhere isolated.) I try to never charge any of my electronic devices (phone, laptop etc) on charge overnight or when I'm not in, despite the significantly lower fire risk (it at least maximises battery health since they're not left charging at 100%).
How does an E-bike / E- scooter compare to a Red Ryder carbine-action 200-shot range model air rifle or the leg lamp? < Humor > (A Christmas Story 1983)
Watching the indecisive mom letting her kids run to what looks their rooms was harrowing. The UL certification takeaway certainly helps
Many people panic in an emergency situation. Step 1 during an emergency: Calm down.
Entertaining. As noted near the end of the video, it is not the devices themselves, it is uncertified devices that are the majority of the issue with poorly manufactured batteries and improper charging systems. It is also abuse of the devices. I think it is important to tell people to follow the manufacturer's requirements and recommendations to avoid issues. Also charge to the recommended levels when storing the device. The goal is to make people safer and not to ban electric mobility devices.
Unfortunately water won't do much: th-cam.com/video/s1431hiRKH8/w-d-xo.html
I've had my inmotion (mini Segway) for about 9 years or so. The "hoverboard" craze came soon after. Knowing how Chinese manufacturing works it was no surprise that a lot of those were going up in flames. My inmotion and their "hoverboard" were built to a very high standard, but I had many problems using my inmotion because people were afraid it was going to explode. Things improved back then with the "hoverboards" through regulation and enforcement. It's tough, but it has to be done again.
Thanks! I feel that this came out when needed. Especially when someone gets the cheap batteries that aren’t necessarily well-made. The E-Bike shop burning down in NYC was an infamous case of this.
Glad it was helpful!
The problem is, the "solution" he offered is no solution at all. He reccomends buying "UL certified batteries" as if this means anything whatsoever. Do you have any idea how much more expensive it is to print UL on your sticker as opposed to the other lies on the label? A UL certification is only worthwhile if the UL certification actually happened as opposed to just slapping a UL label on the product.
The only real solution is to buy a product that is at least labeled from a Western brand, like Schwinn in the case of bikes and Segway in the case of scooters. This way you have someone to sue. If your Schwinn e-bike burns your house down and kills your children, you can at least sue Schwinn. American courts have no authority in China.
a saftey precaution could be keeping it outside on pavement or something like that to prevent a larger fire, but NOT in a garage with a closed door.
You don’t want the E-Bike getting soaked in rain though.
@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes you don't want it catching fire inside your home either.
Valuable lesson. Thank you.
Great video! In your opinion, what should a fire department do with batteries, like a small Milwaukee battery, once it's extinguished?
Most departments are overpacking in CellBlock.
Ok this is a funny coincidence, while watching this and seeing that last bike exploding like it did, fire trucks went by with sirens and all while listening to this video. Concerning these devices, at first I thought well if it catches fire, open the door and throw them outside, but the more I saw, the more I understood that you might not even have the chance to do so because of the gas released, the flame thrower effects that happens sometimes and all of that. Also I'm guessing our first reflex would be to use water on it but I think that's a perfect case of having an up to date fire extinguisher for fires like this but I'm no fire fighter so I can be totally wrong here.
Water won't work.
As Stache said water won't work in this type of fire, it may even make it worse, something like a Carbon dioxide or other extinguisher might, but don't quote me on that, but I would think anything that can put out electrical fires would work, again check with someone who knows.
@@sheilaolfieway1885 Yeah when Stache replied it made me recall the runaway batteries underwater video of his I watched and went yeah.. if a car can burn underwater, a bucket of water won't do much to stop it but thx for the info. You have a good one.
Like the intro. Thanks for the information.
Glad you liked it!
Lithium batteries are also ecological disaster
Some sense on you tube for once...shocking things
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Unfortunately the quality symbols applied to these products are too easily copied/ faked by unscrupulous dealers/traders.
Thanks for sharing as always, great information! Dumb question- Other than a larger battery obviously being more dangerous if it fails, what exactly makes electric mobility devices so much more dangerous than the phones, tablets, laptops, power banks, power tools, etc we use on a daily basis without any consideration of fire safety? Is it just a matter of bad designs and low quality? Do batteries in E mobility devices really fail at a much higher rate than batteries in other devices, or do we just hear about it more since they are newer and the results tend to be more catastrophic? I mean no one even thinks twice about charging their mobile devices with the same type of battery unattended and no one says you shouldn't, but many say we should never even bring E mobility devices into our house. While the larger battery obviously can explode more violently than, for example, a laptop battery, if either caught fire inside while unattended, the end result will still very likely be that the house burns down regardless of the initial source of the fire, so what are the differences? I think explaining the differences would make a great video.
Your cell phone or laptop only has one battery cell. A micromobility device has hundreds. It needs a more robust battery management system to ensure safety.
@@StacheDTraining That makes perfect sense, thanks for explaining! Managing and balancing something like 3-9 cells in a laptop battery pack is certainly very different than managing hundreds or thousands of cells in an electric mobility device or vehicle. Great point!