Char was (NOT) Right and (NEVER) a Hero | Char's Counterattack Explained
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 มิ.ย. 2021
- CHAR'S COUNTERATTACK was the final chapter of all the drama of early Universal Century. The movie was an original story and the ending of a saga that started almost ten years prior with the original mobile suit gundam. This would be the last battle between Amuro Ray and Char Aznable.
And in this video, Absa tells us why he thinks that Char's Counterattack is a great piece of fiction, one where we can see the devolution of Char and the subtle greatness of Amuro, and also... a great closing for the original early universal century conflicts between Zeon and the Federation.
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I beg to differ.
Transcending time and space again?
You truly are "beyond the time"
Char is fighting for our prayers!
CHAR IS FIGHTING FOR OUR PRAYERS!
@@ivansalcedo2290(insert spacenoid 80’s synth funk)
Where is ur Gaia gear 😂😂
@@Azunatsu
Ayo I'm waiting for that to happen one day. It could happen. We managed to get Hathaway after all.
The difference is Char IS Zeon, but Amuro really isn't Federation.
Chars whole story is wrapped up in one way or another with Zeon and its ideology. CA shows what happens when war and ideology are all you have left.
At the end of the day Amuro doesn't care about any of that. He's just there to help his friends and fight bad guys.
In a very real way he's not even IN the Federation in this movie. He's a part of a special Task Force composed of former Anti-Government rebels. Their job is to do what the Titans did, but to be more aware of the optics.
Amuro can and did live without the Federation, or being a pilot. Amuro could have walked away at any point. He could've gotten a job as a mechanic, as a MS designer. He'd have happily settled down and had kids. Nobody would care about who he was or what he did after a few years.
Char though? He'd always be Zeon, and more than that, the Red Commet. All he had left was this fight.
Great explanation 👌
I don't know about the settling down part. Since Amuro's people skills sucked before Lalah started haunting his ass. Even long after dead Lalah keeps bugging Amuro like if she was Hindi Ryuk.
@@aliastheabnormal In Zeta Amuro literally swore off fighting, and became a recluse in his own private mansion. Now at the time it was shown as just Amuro cowering away from having to go back into battle. But, it is shown he can manage to live just fine in a peaceful life. But, he knows that he must be out there to fight and keep up the good fight.
I think it's well explained why he stopped Char in Zeta define and Pulitzer, during zeta Amuro actually made a promise to make sure his rival and one of the people Lalah loved would be on the right path and he believed it of course since for once he was actually fighting for a good cause and doing the right thing and in Zeta define it's also depicted that he made a promise to Sayla to make sure he doesn't stray from his current path of redemption, which is why throughout the years leading up to CCA he remained in Karaba and eventually moving up to fill in the gap that Kamille and Judau left behind after they were no longer pilots for Bright Noa and so they make sure they maintain the peace which is why in Moon gundam he is seen having done just that as he tries to stop the distribution of Newtype weapons that could potentially stir up another war and he does it in his trusty dijeh for the latter half until he realizes Char is alive and is slowly starting to establish Neo Zeon and taking it upon himself to bring back the movement that once set the stage for the one year war and taking it upon himself to finish what his father started now that the Glemy faction and Haman faction are gone, he saw the opportunity to unite a broken Zeon and established neo zeon, he could have left it at that but then he felt the need to free humanity of the Earth's gravity against their will by threatening meteor attacks and actually doing them even so of course Amuro now a peacekeeper for the Federation and man who made promise to Sayla has to do what he has to do and take up newtype weapons himself to stop Char once and for all since apparently even in the face of death he shows no interest in changing his ways for the better, man could have literally just be like his father and try to bargain for autonomy in Peace with good intentions for the interest of all spacenoids the pacifists way but in classic Char fashion he escalates a war and goes all out with violence and it goes to show no one actually truly supports his actions when at the near end of the movie even Neo Zeon pilots were trying to stop Axis from falling to Earth, a moment where both sides were working together for the greater good.
Then in Gaia Gear in UC 203 a Neo Zeon scientist in league with Metatron makes a memory clone of Char. But unlike this clone who is thrust into being leader chooses to abandon the organization that literally created him after he stops a rogue Federation agents. And in the end can do what Char could not walk away. Also unlike Char or Full Frontal he goes by the nickname of the White Comet due to his machine being of a silver/white color scheme.
My interpretation was always that despite Char having lost 99.99% of faith in humanity, he still had faith in Amuro. He had a sliver of doubt about his own plan, and trusted Amuro to be the personification of an "opposing ideology". Sort of like a countermeasure or reality check in case Char was truly wrong but couldn't see it. At the end, Amuro was proven correct, and Char's plan was foiled.
Amuro is a villain, he was fighting for an evil organization called Earth Federation
@@dragonboy2032 if you say that, then you ultimately fail to see one of the larger messages in the UC timeline. There are no heroes or villains in war. The organizations behind each conflict are twisted in some form or fashion, and the tragic soldiers who fight on their behalf are in turn twisted over time.
Char had been fighting for so long, lost so many people, and all the while the status quo isnt changing, he's going to force fates hand and in doing so, twisted and bent. He is no different from the zabi family of zeon, nor the corrupt individuals in the earth federation.
Amuro likewise has suffered in many ways, many of these ways were inflicted on him directly by char and zeon. And yet the guy has only matured, and while some of his character may have bent in this maturity, he has remained largely the same. Just wiser, and smarter and more skilled than he used to be at the start.
That and char *did* leak his tech to Londo Bell. He wanted a fair and even fight against Amuro, so it speaks volumes to the amount of respect he has for Amuro and it wouldn't be farfetched to say maybe perhaps that was Char's hope. But perhaps it is just as likely and simple to say he just wanted a fair fight before he slapped earth into an eternal winter.
@@dragonboy2032 The Earth Federation may be pulling the strings for his budget but they never controlled his mind. He tried being diplomatic before rushing into battle despite the Feddie scum's orders. He was human and his actions showed it time and time again. Not every soldier is as mindless as the organization they fight for, and that goes for both sides of the conflict
The truth is char is a psycho. Nothing else
@@Derkader78 exactly..char is a psycho
You know, I never made that connection about the Sazabi's cockpit being in the head instead of the chest, representing Char losing his heart or his soul. Good observation!
It's interesting if we interpret that mecha design choice like that, right?
That actually started way before. Both the Zeong and the Rick Dias have the cockpits in the head. After the Zeong he only goes back to piloting something with a chest cockpit once, with the Hyaku Shiki
but the rick dias had the same design, and that was when he wasn't a murderous psychopath.
@@absa I also heard that Kamille was going to be brought back and that he was going to be brainwashed/manipulated by Char. I also heard Jerid was originally going to be redeemed in CCA. But that fell through when Kamille's plan fell as well.
@@aliastheabnormal Damn I would of loved to see Kamil fight Amero. His Newtype abilities and piloting skills matured their battle would of been legendary.
I think the analysis of the metaphoric intent behind the Sazabi and Nu Gundam were brilliant.
Now onto Char, I'd have to say three events shaped his outlook. The first was the assassination of his father by the Zabi family. The second was when his sister, Artesia (AKA Sayla), refused to leave the Federation. The third was, of course, Lalah's death.
Amuro had a similar series of tragedies. The first was in the very first episode, when his father seemed more interested in the RX-78 than Amuro's safety. The second was when his mother disowned him after Amuro shot the Zeon soldier in the refugee camp. The third is when the Black Tri Stars shot down Matilda Ajan's Medea transport.
So why did Char descend into madness while Amuro did not? Amuro had some other experiences that Char never had. When he visited Jaburo, he learned that Matilda was set to be married to Lt. Woody; what felt like real love was just his emotions getting the best of him. When Amuro met up with his father back on Side 6, he saw a drunken and pathetic figure there, which was much different than he believed previously. Amuro had the benefit of a lot of "reality checks" that allowed him to put things into perspective. Char didn't really have that. His natural talent and gifts often allowed him to get his way, so he never learned.
His dad is brain damaged btw
His father wasn't a drunk, he was brain damaged.
Very well put, i like that detail you've paid attention to and put together.
So what you're saying is, if someone had given Char the ol' Bright slap back in the One Year War, we wouldn't have had this movie.
It truly was as you say,@@stevenschnepp576 . The outcome of the One Year War may have very well been determined by five fingers.
The Axis shock scene is a masterclass in symbolism. It's not just Amuro and the other pilots pushing against the asteroid, what we're really seeing is a battle between hope and despair. It is the triumph of the human spirit over the cold indifference of the universe. Char is defeated because he is alone, isolated and hopeless, because that's what depression does to a person. Amuro fights against all odds, even though he knows he can't stop the asteroid, but he tries to anyway because it's the right thing to do. And in the end he wins, because hope will always prevail against despair.
All of this is the logical conclusion of both characters' story arcs. Char has always fought selfishly, being an adult who abuses his power for his own benefit, while Amuro has always fought to protect others, being a child that was forced to grow up and accept the responsibilities of an adult.
Amuro's Gundam was not just for show.
That extra air vent in the mouthpiece was the key :D !
I know that it's the meme but I believe that unlike Char/Casval who never really understood the technology he was using, Amuro was a brilliant engineer. He represents not a "working class" hero... But a truly self-made man. Someone that you see as grounded human being striving to make his way in the world with all of their efforts, learning and growing. Unlike Casval, he's not driven rage and unchecked passion... But by reason and wisdom. Like the video states, he's just a better role model... He really is deserving as a hero. Even in Zeta, Amuro downplays his ability to lead, yet his interactions with Camille do more to shape his mindset more than Quattro ever did. It helped Camille to see the flaws in Char's thoughts and actions and how you can still support your ideals through action.
The diner owner on Earth who spoke to Audrey in Unicorn basically summed up Char near perfectly imo.
And it's telling that Minerva (with a little help from the people she meets along her journey, both manga and anime) is the exact type political figure that would oppose Char and be closest to an ideal version of his father, Zeon Deikun... Both cunning in political maneuvers and hopeful for the future.
That was my favorite piece of dialogue on the entire OVA
Oh I love that show, the writing is superb.
@@albertko1 double the Irony, she's a Zabi (specifically Dozle's daughter)
I can't shake this feeling that the guy in the diner is a lot more than he appears. He has the same look in his eyes as Syam Vist; the headband and everything made me question whether or not he might have even been Syam Vist in disguise. I mean, he has a LOT of knowledge about the events and the politics behind them...almost too much for a mere diner owner. But the clincher is this line: "Spent my life regretting not being able to do much for you people. In the end, best I can do is offer you a cup of coffee." It just seems odd...odd that this humble man would have such regrets, if he wasn't far more influential than he appeared. Of course, before we can learn more, Ronan Marcenas's men land in the helicopter, so we never learn the truth of who this guy might have been.
Char never tried to act like he was the hero. He knew what he was doing wasn't heroic, but he believed it was a necessary evil for humanity to truly achieve peace. His battle against Amuro was a clash of ideals, Char who had lost hope in humanity and felt it necessary to force evolution vs Amuro who acknowledged humanity's flaws but believed in them anyways
@@alwaysangry2232 Yeah that's the contradiction in his character at it's core. He both has no hope but he remains hopeful for Newtypes. Char himself is a dreamer and hopeful person at his core but he tries to force himself into this hopelessness due to his trauma
Amuro was a child with a shitty set of naive views.
@@jakecochran8808 Amuro fully drank the Fed Kool aid for sure. His world view was definitely naive and proven to be so as there continued to be conflict even after the events of Char's rebellion. The LaPlace incident further just solidified it and then all the stuff with Mafty a few years after that. Banagher inherits more of Amuro's ideology and naivety, the difference being Banagher is more of a free thinker and did things his way. Hathaway inherits more of Char's pessimistic outlook, but is more grounded and isn't pushing for one giant nuclear winter to screw everyone on Earth. I really hope we get some interactions between Banagher and Hathaway as sort of the new gen rivals
@@charsqueezy oh fucking same! I really enjoyed hathaways outlooks and realizations in the movie. Like when the taxi driver said he’s privileged to be able to think about the future. That was valid as fuck, and he totally stopped and thought about it. I for sure side with the char/Hathaway views. All the shit amuro and other “heroes” perpetuated could have easily been prevented by a few colony drops. 😹😅. But banagher being a little older now I think would be great to see him make some appearances.
@@jakecochran8808 I definitely feel like they've really built towards Banagher and the Unicorn trio playing much bigger roles in the UC. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the novels the Unicorn and Banshee get dismantled and the parts are used for the F series projects, later becoming the F91. Whereas in the anime, they were not dismantled but are instead on ice so to speak. On an unrelated note, man it's really nice to get to speak Gundam with people because it's been super hard for me to find Gundam friends as it's not exactly the biggest in the West lol
I think the blow to Char's insanity was most likely Kamille's "death". Like he thought of the boy as his student- no, a Newtype meant to change humanity. When Kamille lost his soul, becoming a husk of his former self (in the original Zeta Gundam), Char just gave up. He gave up losing someone who he could consider a son and just snap. He didn't care anymore and the only thing that matter is to fight Amuro, beat him and watch the end of humanity.
Hope for the future indeed. This was a good movie.
@DragonKnight, I think you might be onto something. After watching that last battle in Zeta, I think Char took on both Haman and Sirocco--two of the most powerful newtypes ever--fully expecting that he wouldn't come out of that battle alive. Fact is, we didn't even know if he DID come out of that battle alive. But he did it so that Camile could live.
Char's Counterattack does have shades of being one large suicide note for Char.
@@benjaminbierley2074 It does, doesn't it. Like he set up giving Amuro the Psychoframe just so he can fight him on the same level and even if Amuro won (which he did), Char wouldn't care because everyone dies. Truly, Char's soul was dragged down by Earth's gravity.
I see,That's why In the srw games where Kamille didn't die or got screwed over by scirocco, Quattro will always be there and not char. He even pretended to be "controlled" so he can rescue Amuro
@@AlteredProf Never played the Super Robot Wars game before but I did got this theory from a cutscene in a game... I don't remember which on but the cutscene was animated and it was Japanese only but you don't need to know Japanese to see Quattro surviving his fight against Haman, faking his death but also witnessing or likely learning of Kamille's death that Char just... gave up on all meaning in life and waited till Haman was killed to take control of Neo Zeon... or my head canon, the rebellion that Glemy formed in ZZ wasn't his, it was Char's. It would make sense since Glemy is an idiot and everyone in Zeon would know who the Red Comet was and more if he was the prince of Zeon. Point is, Char waited the long game and he won.
If Kamille didn't die, then yea, Char wouldn't have gone through any of that because his faith in Kamille was strong. We've seen it in Zeta. Even though Quattro was the mentor, he learned through Kamille too. It's kinda sad that their relationship ended because of war but like war, Char lost a lot already and this was the last straw. Also didn't help how he thought of Kamille as the son he never had... yea, Char had a child that was never born. It was a limited manga series of Char after the original Gundam and well, it's as sad as how Hamon became the person she would end up being in Zeta.
Char is probably the epitome of how the road to hell is paved with good intentions everything he did he did with the best of intentions Char fought so hard to avenge his family and to protect his sister he fought against the Titans to both protect the Earth and the colonies he tried to unite all of humanity by bringing them into outer space so that Earth could recover but Char was brought low by his own ego and the horrors of war
I don't see how it makes any sense what char did. He wanted to pollute the earth so bad so it would force humans to flock to space. I just don't see how wrecking the earth by dropping a colony and murdering innocent people will somehow let the earth heal
@@tfoserauqsevoli Well I always believed Char went insane he fought for so long and lost so much he became broken and went insane.
@@seangray6131 he sure as heck can still communicate as a sane person..
@@tfoserauqsevoli True but insanity doesn’t mean stupidity some of the most insane killers in history were really smart, articulate, and charismatic.
@@seangray6131 thats the point.. they werent insane either .. but they will always try that to pull that 'insanity' excuse
I think Zeta
Has to be Char's BEST Character ark. Someone who has a tragic childhood growing up. But still wanting to follow what his father before him believed in. And learned to forgive Amuro of the past.
And wanting to help Kamile grow and become good and have better decision in his life. Still has a tragic end. But i always wish there was an alternative story to it for Double Zeta where Char remains good. Instead of following his interest. Because Kamile lost his mind and went into a coma. Caused alot of trama to char, and made him forget all he thought he would grow to be left behind. Sad
funny thing is that in double zeta the original plan was to have char return as the hero to face haman not however the movie char's counterattack was already greenlighted so they altered double zeta to not have char return and continue to be like he was in zeta gundam
If you ever a chance check the game gundam vs zeta gundam where you can change Char and Amuro destiny were they unit earth under AEUG
ngl, it was said that Char got this close to become a good guy and a change of heart in Zeta Gundam bec he had hopes of Kamille being the future of the Spacenoids until he got mind raped to oblivion and became a mindless child
There was a Japanese ps1 game showing this. Kamille being crushed and watching the corruption in both the federation and zeon open up char’s old woulds to take things in his own hands.
I've always thought CCA could have been improved if Gyunei Guss was actually Kamille, brought back by being made a cyber newtype.
Would open up lots of interesting questions like: Is he really with Char or has the cyber implants warped his mind? Is Char doing what's best for Kamille or best for himself? Throw in Judai to help Amuro and it would have been a great wrap to the whole storyline.
@@DSHPerotecH Yeah Judai can definitely help with his Elemental Heroes and Neo Spacians.
Kidding aside, I love the inclusion of Kamille and Judau in CCA in this Idea. Doesn't feel forced or fan-servicy. It all makes sense.
@@misteralien8313 you know for someone to understand this joke,
one must watch something thats "not an anime" and a card game... actually with how dark gundam and yugioh are that might not be that surprising
@@DSHPerotecH Interesting idea, would Kamille simply not recover naturally on his own in your story idea, or would something else change, like Fa dying to stop his natural recovery?
To be honest, I've always found Amuro's story to be more compelling. I think I was initially drawn to Char's story because it really is great in Mobile Suit Gundam. And it's not an unfamiliar story: a man whose family is wronged and everything taken away from him causing him to enact a very long game of ultimate revenge. Count of Monte Cristo, anyone? That kind of story is always a compelling one to see in fiction. It's no wonder people gravitate towards Char.
But Amuro's journey and his humility are what I think keep me coming back to the series. He's a young man who has to grow up under the worst of circumstances, and is more grateful for just being able to survive. Char always was consumed with his own needs. Even if he ever does preach his own ideals, he's ultimately self-interested. Just look at how he uses Quess or even Lalah as surrogates for his mother.
The tragedy of Char is his wasted potential. He's so consumed with his own needs that he cannot look past himself, and is pretty cavalier about using others to further his own selfish ends. The triumph of Amuro is being able to inspire the best of humanity.
Summed up very well!
Char had everything. Privileged upbringing, connections, charisma, intelligence, even some wealth.
If he had allied himself with the Zabi's, despite their killing his father, he would have gone far.
Amuro is really nobody besides the Gundam's inventor's son at the start of the show. But like you said, it's not who he was born as, but what he does with his life in service of others that make him the hero.
Char could have been the best of humanity, possibly even uniting Earth and colonists peacefully. But once he started down the path of revenge and self service, he dedicated his talents to wicked uses, and couldn't see alternative solutions besides war and destroying Earth.
The main difference between the 2 is
Amuro moved on, while Char kept longing for Lalah/that mother figure.
@@misteralien8313 I agree Char is hung up, but Amuro isn't much better.
Going through Sayla, Beltorchika, and Chan shows that even though he may not be in love with Lalah, he's still hung up on her.
@@DSHPerotecH which is understandable, Lalah's "newtype ghost" still haunts him from time to time. He technically killed her, it would've take a lifetime for him to get over that. But he faired better fighting his demons compared to Char.
Char is only compelling because they spend soo much time building him up. He never struggles, he never overcomes anything, he's always got a plan and better than everyone. Char always succeeds, and when he doesn't it's because it's a part of the plan or he doesn't care anymore.
Gundam doesn't really expand on Amuro and what he deals with after the war and what it costs him defending the people he cares about. Amuro in Zeta is the epitome of a war broken man, and it's compelling to see him overcome his PTSD. After this point we see the shift of EFF evil/Zeon justified. Plus the annoying focus on new types being the New Better Humanity if only we'd stop using them as weapons and suppressing space people.
Gundam should have done away with Zeon after this, or morphed them into an actual symbol for others to use in opposition to horrible governments. There is a reason why 08MST, WITP, And SM are so revered. They are down to earth, focused on why war is bad and don't paint either side as particularly better than the other. There are no heroes in those series, just soldiers and survivors doing what they need to.
In the end, Char exploits newtypes as living weapons and seek a genocide on Earth. He ended up becoming the very Zabis he hated.
Exactly a genecidal psycho
I appreciate in the movie that they really emphasize how much of a veteran Amuro is in combat both in and out of the mobile suit. They also emphasize Char's cunning in battle planning. The only weak aspect was Char's motivation to destroy the earth in the first place. Unlike most of Zeon, his motivation had very little to do with the independence of the Space Colonies and more to do with the accidental death of the love of his life.
I feel that that was the point- Char only ever wanted personal closure and satisfaction, and all his crowing about Newtypes and Zeon ideals was surface-level parroting of his father's speeches at best and a smokescreen to trick people into following him at worst. He was going through serious shit, and he decided to make it everyone's problem with whatever means he had.
Actually, by freezing the earth, he takes away the Federation's ability to use the earth as leverage against the colonies, and thus removes the source of their power. Yes, Char will massacre 2 billion lives, but then again the only time a genocide was used to oust a tyrant was Jean-Jacques Delanies of Haiti who massacred 5000 French settlers in 1804 to remove Napoleon's rule from the island. I bring this up because it's the closest historical event in the real world one can compare Char's action to.
@@CosmoShidanPeople can't envision the Federation as the representation of our current Liberal Capitalist post defeat of the Germans and the USSR as the de facto status quo that IS THE ONLY GOVERNMENT ON EARTH + SOMEHOW ALL THE COLONIES.
No. Nope. No way. Nothing beats the final shot of CCA with the asteroid engulfed in energy as TM Network's opening synth bassline hits.
It is transcendent.
The best part of Amuro's and Char's relationship is that if the circumstances were just a bit different the two of them could switch positions by the time of counter attack.
Evil Amuro and Good Char could be an interesting What if, Amuro the less Overtly Malicious of the 2 tragicaly became the Evil one while Char the more malicious one found a way to completely redeem himself in the end.
Well, of course ZZ wasn't mentioned. It wasn't anime, it really happened... 😂😂
🎶Anime ja nai!🎶
(Anime ja nai)
@@jbark678 I hope someone behind those lyrics still has trouble sleeping at night
“Even Double Zeta”
TAKE MY SUB!
This video made me realize Char is the very epitome of
“You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain.”
- Harvey Dent
Great video as always, Absa!
Thank you! And yes, Char has an amazing journey but he does end in villainy.
Sometimes, we are more fascinated by the villain instead of the hero. In literature, it is the antagonist that moves the plot and advances the story. Maybe that is why Char is still famous to us Gundam fans. He is like the Joker to Batman.
“You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain.”
- Harvey Dent
Well said.
@@leomarlonestrada5954 You can't forget the iconic "masked man" aura that has carried through the majority of the series now as well. If you looked at Amuro & Char with no context Char looks more interesting.
@@Veri7a Yes. Exactly. According to "Comics Psychology", one reason why Batman is more popular than Superman is that Batman is a "masked" character.
" If you looked at Amuro & Char with no context Char looks more interesting."
I completely agree with this. Amuro may have that "youthful and heroic" aura around him but nothing beats a masked Char when he is smiling. You just can't read him.
Replace villian with zabi and you've got it
"I only care about two things. Neo Zeon and beating Amuro." That was the moment my faith in Char wavered
About Amuro, as so many have stated, the only reason Char did all of this so that he could finally finish everything...
Only one of those is true. He OFTEN thinks of himself over Zeon(whichever version). But yeah, he definitely has a thing for amuro.
Man needed to focus on one goal, fuck that neo zeon shit. Go there and laugh at him.
@@andrewnlarsen Amuro is a villain, he was fighting for an evil organization called Earth Federation
Amuro is a villain, he was fighting for an evil organization called Earth Federation
Well in the novel timeline there was a memory clone of Char called Afranche Char that criticized his original for his choices in women and in his actions during the gryps, First and second Neo Zeon wars.
Most of chars character arc is essentially one long revenge plot when you get right down to it. He ALMOST turned around in Zeta but then went right off the rails again. Full Frontal is actually what I consider to be a much more reasonable, more evolved Char. Like he has given his strategy considerable thought and while it still has flaws it no longer involved dropping massive objects on earth, rather it is a total economic blockade that would basically force the EFF once and for all to admit that despite all their BS they need the colonies far more then the colonies need them. EDIT: Yes I realize the co-prosperity sphere is a call back to the utterly ludecrous plan that Japan had to unite Asia. Thing is I feel that Full Frontal is not a delusional nationalist. He is making a perfectly valid point about the power the Sides could leverage if they United against the tyranny of the Earth's elites. The colonies are the oppressed here so it hardly the same situation as Japan imperialism.
Char's story is similar to the count of Monte Cristo. A ruined life leading to decades of plans and revenge. The difference was that the count eventually grew disgusted with himself after seeing how he was involving innocents and stopped.
The funny thing is about Full Frontal, in the OVA he wanted to use the box to use it as a bargaining chip with the Federation. That plan is actually used by Banagher and Audrey in the light novel to gain space colony autonomy. Which explains the Earth Sphere situation from F91 to Victory. While in the novel, Full Frontal wanted to expose the box to the world so he can declare war on the Federation not just about spacenoids, but in the name of humanity.
You're misunderstanding what the Co-Prosperity sphere was, which was a function of Japanese propaganda to justify their invasions and occupations of other Asian countries under the guise of "liberating" them from Western Imperialism. The takeaway you're supposed to have in Unicorn is that Full Frontal doesn't give a single shit about the colonies and is only using them as means to hurt those who live on the Earth and not because he actually cares about their struggles for independence.
Char leads such a tragic life, and his tragedy keeps spreading and it keeps getting worse as the show goes on, from when he took revenge on the Zabi's but lost Lalah Sune in the process, turned down Hamans advances which leads her to killing his wife and unborn child making him betray Axis and join AEUG to take both Titans and Axis down which only fuelled haman's hatred and ambitions more and despite the instances where they were offered an alliance he always declines albeit in a roundabout way as his "revenge" on haman, and then when he finally becomes the leader of Neo Zeon going through more tragedy as he fosters a broken refuge colony and causes an uprising to make Earth pay by dropping Axis and in the process he relives his moments to what lead to his hatred for Amuro when another newtype in his care Quess was consequentially killed just like Lalah and in the end he takes one last act of revenge to end his rivalry with Amuro only for both of them to come at a draw when both of them dies while saving the Earth from his actions, to steering the meteor Axis away from its orbit, and finally his clone Full Frontal forced to take up the mantle of where he left off in ensuring the liberty of spacenoids even using a Zeon type mobile armor in the end to fight the gundam basically history repeating itself and always arrives at the same outcome of his inevitable death and defeat, and so no longer is the chain of Chars revenge affect everyone, although during narrative Zoltan aspires to do the same but he isn't Char and consequentially his Zeong gets stolen by the narrative instead and he dies, so truly there shall be no more Chars in the universal century which again is a tragedy just like his story, and it goes the same for every alternate version of himself or what we call Char clones, their lust for revenge always affects the innocent majority the concept of a Char type person in a war scenario is scary but at the same time very tragic, no one should be like Char and go through his tragedy, if his mask tells us anything its because Char characters are blinded by peace and innocence and can only find clarity when they are in pursuit of quelling hatred and revenge, thus we should all aspire to never take up the mask and simply be ourselves
Ironically, the Sleeves are less like Zeon and more like the AEUG. They have no interest in ruling, they just want Earth to play fair, be nice, and give the Sides the independence and respect they deserve.
Char's point is merely that Newtypes are able to connect to each other on a new level of super-empathy. This means that if humanity evolves into Newtypes, conflicts and wars will forever end, and that humanity will truly be able to work together for the good of all (see the final scene on CCA where both Neo Zeon and Earth soldiers decide to sacrifice themselves to help Amuro after being "touched" by his aura and supposedly unlocking the Newtype within themselves.) This is what Char ultimately wants, true ultimate peace and humans truly working together, and why Lalah tells Amuro that Char is pure (and why the intention was to have Kamille follow Char in CCA). Char didn't lose hope, he just found the only hope is with Newtypes.
Funnily enough, this theme is revisited in Neon Genesis Evangelion :^)
But Char's plan of having a final fight with Amuro doesn't invalidate his ultimate plan of forcing humans into peace. In fact, if it wasn't for the plot twist of Newtype magic stopping the asteroid, Char would've succeeded both in "saving humanity" and getting himself and Amuro to kill each other in their final battle (romantic).
At the end of the day, however, as much as Char's actions can be understood... There is still no justification for genocide, and the way Char's plan is moved into action during CCA is conflicting with his ideals and just generally don't make much sense under scrutiny. The film suffers from not having the best writing and that's why, even after all these decades, it's still ultimately confusing and baffling for anyone who watches it, and why people still fail to understand what Char was going on about. CCA is one of those Gundam things that just sorely needs a remake.
ZZ gundam shows why even with a newtype powers people still didn't change though.
Char's methods were wrong, Char's premise is correct; Gravity has bound us to depravity and it must be corrected through accelerated maturity of deep introspection + appreciation of the burden of survival in space.
I agree with Char's premise being somewhat in the correct vein yet I don't know how could he had achieved the accelerated newtype evolution withOUT those methods. (I mean, we have Full Frontal's approach but it's a little bit different.)
Both were right. Fuck earthnoids. Earth is shit and the eff fucking ruined the planet. Such a corrupt set of rulers.
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Gundam is not real bro chill...
@@dgph0 what the fuck are you smoking bud? 🤣 nobody said it was real. However if you can’t see the direction the story was written then how simple are you?
@@jakecochran8808 Found the Zeon apologist...
so Amuro really just lifted a meteor right when he learned char was doing all this for an old ass crush.
My favorite char quote from CCA is 15:36
Char: "Amuro, I'm doing something incredibly wicked..."
It's strange that Full Frontal who was the remaining resentment of Char chose a far more peaceful option to fight against the Federation.
yea but he also went everything is pointless and was a puppet of zeon
Despite his "instability" he is far more down to earth and could've made a huge difference. He's Char without the Lalah complex, but then again, he was made to be the next Char so those ideas being cultivated in his head by his creators made him unstable.
Imagine if they'd just let him be his own person and grow the same way other humans did. He would've saved UC as we know it. Who knows, he would've made peace with Mineva and worked with her for the betterment of what's left of zeon.
If full frontal was possessed by Char's resentfulness, was Hathaway possessed by Katz's simpishness?
@@DIEGhostfish Probably.
Thank you for creating the video & breaking down the plot with in depth analysis of the franchise & its beloved characters.
I really love your analysis on explaining on the story progression & character portrayal. Recently, I've watched your other videos & this one really solidify to subscribe.
There isn't a lot of content of Gundam related channels breaking down the lore & franchise in great depth, especially ones that's very recent. I really like on how you explain with the mechanical design representative of IRL historical armor designs & metaphors.
I hope you can cover on the weird spin off of Gaia Gear, which is basically unknown to many.
Thank you!!!
The HiNu Gundam is just short for High Streamer's Nu Gundam and within continuity(the novelizations) its just referred to as the Nu Gundam. Simply put its just a different design for the same Mobile suit.
Wrong. The novel hi streamer is VERY different than both the movie and Beltochika's children.
@@pilotamurorei the Beltorchika's manga, HiStreamer novel and the Beltorchika's novel refer to what we call the Hi Nu Gundam as the Nu gundam.
@@Ldad27 dude, I own the novel of BC and the comics, and i have hi streamer around here somewhere. Hi Nu gundam is exclusively from BC, it is NOT in hi streamer.
@@pilotamurorei the HI NU NAME IS DERIVED FROM THE HIGH STREAMER TITLE TO DIFFERENTIATE THE DESIGNS. I AM AWARE THE DESIGN IS ALSO DIFFERENT IN THE HIGH STREAMER NOVELIZATION. IN ALL ITERATIONS OF CHAR'S COUNTERATTACK WITHIN THE SOURCE MATERIAL IT IS REFERRED TO AS THE NU GUNDAM. BUT EXTERNALLY THE ONLY NOVELIZATION TO GET MODEL KITS AND FURTHER ILLUSTRATIONS (BC) THE UNIT IS REFERRED TO AS THE HI NU GUNDAM.
@@Ldad27 You think id take the word of someone who cant read japanese over my own ability? Hi streamer is a completely different story, and its NOT hi nu.
Main difference of Char and Amuro involving the Lalah Sune incident:
Amuro moved on and tried to do what he can for the better.
Char brewed his frustrations and dissapointments and let them break him down to the point he is a shell of a man he once was.
I'd say Quattro is where Char peaked as a person and Londo Bell Amuro is the best version of Amuro.
If you take into the account of Beltochika's Children (which was what Tomino had in mind once he got the green light to make Char's Counterattack into a movie), then this is truly apt. For in the original Hi-Streamer and then in the movie itself, undoubtedly the legacy of Lalah Sune drove Amuro and Beltochika apart.
I can agree with this.
He died when Quattro died
Except after the Lalah Sune incident, Amuro was under house arrest, and needed Katz to prod him into doing anything. Then he was sulking and claiming he didn't want to go into outer space, and Char got him to admit that it's because he feared the ghost of Lalah Sune. Meanwhile Char was actively engaged in a leadership role with the AEUG and became its ultimate political figurehead. Ironically this annoyed Char who wanted to be out actively fighting battles. It wasn't until quite a bit later that Amuro was actually able to grudgingly get past the Lalah incident.
@@tedhodge4830Plus he needed Beltorchika to sexually motivate him to act like the protag.
Love your videos and your vibe!! Thanks for making this :)
Char was my favorite character next to Amuro in the original up to Zeta. Really hoped Char would have changed for the best after Zeta. I always imagined him and Kamille teaming up with Amuro to enact actual change from the ground up.
Char was never the sort to put in that kind of work.
Fantastic video brother, excellently written and delivered. This is super enjoyable, detailed and easy to follow. Please do more of these! (Looking forward to your analysis of our boy Hathaway's series!)
Thanks a lot! I really thought that the length of the video would be a turn off haha, but man, there's so much to talk about this movie... And yeah, definitely looking forward to check out Hathaway's Flash!
I would’ve loved to see Kamille and Judau in CCA. Would’ve made for a much better movie. I always felt Kamille might’ve sided with Char in the end but I have a hard time with Kamille ending up on his side til the end. I feel he would’ve switched sides at some point.
@@amuroray88 I never thought of that… but with how far gone Char was I wouldn’t put it past him.
I would notsee that reason to be established when he only did those things cause Kamille's mind crush that caused CCA to start. Having him be brainwashed by Char would be contradiction for him even though we have Lalah as proof he is not above. I personally think that is not a good idea and I am glad they try to stick to it.
@@amuroray88 OHMYGOD
I've said that before, the cyber restoration of Kamille could make the audience/others think he was brainwashed.
Kamille may not feel that way, but it could cause him to doubt his devotion to Char. I feel Kamille could be justified to join Neo Zeon if they also brought back Yazan as a Londo Bell pilot.
Kamille seeing a Titans psychopath on the EFF side, old actions forgiven, would push him to Char's side.
@@gerogyzurkov2259 I don't think Kamille needs to be brainwashed, just Char trying to "fix" the broken Kamille would make others doubt Kamilles free will, and question if Char is doing what is best for Kamille or just serving himself by using Kamille.
@@DSHPerotecH I personally think it's not something character would of wanted himself and Amuro would of been deeply piss off their friend ended up like that. A mere pawn is something that Char didn't want Kamille to be going by PS2 ending also. So I am happy Tomino dropped that.
Ah... so Char is like the equivalent of Big Boss from MGS in Gundam, a martyr, a catalyst for many events, even gets cloned because his charisma and supreme DNA .
Also i cant avert my eyes from the saint saiya's figgure
I see it as a combo of several things:
1st Chars parents deaths: we all knew he hates the Zabis for what they did, and as a kid, that's already pretty Damaging, especially when revenge is on your mind for most of your childhood and teen life. He ultimately got his revenge but soared Minerva, probably seeing as she was a child and couldn't be held accountable for the sins of her family.
2: Armuro: he lied Lahlah, after the death of Chars mother, he was lookiy for another motherly figure which he found in Lahlah, but the fact that she basically chose Armuro (who she had met like 3 times and char had spent years with her) must of been a gut punch to Char, couple that fact that Armuro accidentally killed her due to his weakness as well, he was damaged as both a rival and deprived of someone he loved.
3: the gryps war: Char saw first hand what was happening to the earth, the titans nuked Jaburo causing wise spreadsheet pollution, the desert was at Dakars doorstep, it was dreadful to Ee, and despite his pleas, the feds never changed at all.
4: the treatment of new types: cyber new types and even genuine newtypes were simply treated like weapons. I'm sure Char felt some guilt for this seeing as he did it himself to Lahlah, but seeing his father's ideals basically be butchered like this, refined his motive to see newtypes eventually appear more and more so humanity will finally understand one another without misconceptions.
A combination of all of these factors, is what I think finally set Char over eh edge. Personally to just drop an asteroid on Earth I don't think is the solution at all, but he saw it as no choice, despite what everyone sees and here's, there would be no change, negotiation was not an option anymore. At the same time, the asteroid drop was an excuse to finish unfinished business, namely Armuro, despite working with him, I'm sure he never forgave him for Lahlah, but pride also meant Armuro's death wouldn't mean anything in a second rate MS, hence why he leaked the Psycho frame to him. Char is by no means pure of heart, but I feel he genuinely loved the earth and colonies, and only wanted to do what was best
The final straw for me at least is Kamille, the dude was basically family to Char but once he got turned into a Vegtable Char lost faith in people and probably wants to die too (but instead of just End gaming himself he wants to go down in a Blaze of Glory and in one last Robot fight with his Rival)
I haven't listened to a to ton of people talk Gundam, just a few. I've always watched and made my own judgements, rudimentary though they be. Your analysis is really good, and you broke it down like a professor can break down literature.
I always saw Chars downfall as a mixture of guilt. Guilt that he didn't save Lalah Sune, Guilt over the tragic fall and corruption of Haman Khan or maybe to put it better responsibility for her fall and also guilt for the fate of the Zeon Nation. Killing Garma was an act of petty revenge, done for no higher purpose beyond such and all he had accomplished in doign so and in a way betraying the Zeon's was lay the ground work for the rise of the Titans which in of it self caused more and more suffering and as Char said in Zeta Gundam "The Titans where even worse than the Zeon" so a mixture of responsibility for the state of the U.C. timeline as a whole.
However similar to characters like Rinehart (LOTGH) or Dessler (Space Battleship Yamato) Char cannot truly hold himself fully responsible for such events, however because he dose take on and embrace all of that responsibility like others in the U.C. timeline like Haman Karn, the Zaabi Family and even someone like Paptimus Scirocco or Iron Mask (from F91) he is ultimately corrupted and destroys himself in the possess. As Long Win Lee said to Rinehart in LOTGH " A single person cannot take on the full weight of humanity" and it is a simailr line Char uses when he says "Someone has to take on the weight of all human evil" (or something to that effect).
"LOTGH"??
@@xenophagia Legend of the Galactic Heroes it's sort of part of the same genre of Anime. A huge sci-fi space opera series.
Phenomenal Synopsis!!!! You have an incredible grasp of the story themes.
this is a great video, @20:19, i would add to amuro's charcter analysis, that he was brought up in war. Since he was a child (teenager) he was kinda forced by Bright Noa to fight in the gundam. I remember seeing many episodes in the original gundam series, where amuro would NOT want to go out in the gundam and help defend whitebase,
@31:31 Hathaway Noa can be see in the oiginal zeta gundam series, where he, his sister , his mother and amuro are taken hostage by the titans. Kamille goes out to save them, but in the battle Hathaway falls from the ship they were being held on and drowns , dies, and is resurected by His mother (Mira Yashima) performing CPR on him.
So it is safe to assume that Hathaway was brought up involved in wars and conflict. He IS the son of the former white base captain (bright) and whitebase pilot (mirai) who was left alone with his newtype mother (Yes, Mirai is a newtype, ) on earth while Bright fought against the titans.
So there IS a lot of backstory to hathaway coming into hathaway's flash
Great analysis of the main point in the UC . Amazing video !!
Char was his own worst enemy. He dismantled the Zabis who were the best chance to overthrow the Earth Federation, and he does it under the belief that Lord Zabi killed his father, but it never could be proven that he killed Deikun meaning Char possibly destroyed Zeon over nothing.
He put his quest for revenge ahead of what Side 3 and people in space needed.
A much more interesting result of CA would have been if Axis destroyed the Earth. Not only would it be surprising, but it would have balanced the story where the Federation would be weakened and the show's stakes would be more balanced.
Great analysis! Looking forward to the Hathaway continuation now that it is out!
This very informative and entertaining. Thanks for sharing!
i agree with your analysis of changing Char's cockpit to the head and losing his heart. i think it was quite obvious Tomino showcasing how this had changed, then Char even being plucked out of it by amuro
the comment about the nu gundam's one wing with the asymmetrical, alternatingly open/closed fin funnels symbolizing versatile compassion over balanced mighty justice is rob ager tier. fantastic video
Just watched this. Thanks for the explanation !
Haha, thank YOU very much for your time!
No surprise that Harry Ord from Turn A Gundam is what Char would be like without tragedy and bitterness-he is loyal, wise, intelligent and also loving.
It would be epic if the ending of CCA we see all the gundam pilots witnessing the Axis Shock. In the sky for those who are still on earth and on TV for those who are in space colony.
That would've been amazing. And imagine this: everyone is more or less happy... except Kamille, who's devastated and crying... because he felt Quattro's death.
@@absa that may have broke me. Kamille is my guy man.
Yeah, it'd be totally cool to see what was of kou and Mackenzie/alfred izuruha
The pilots who were there (or should have been there)
Amuro
Kou Uraki (confirmed to be part of Londo Bell)
You Kajima (Blue Destiny, also in Londo Bell)
Kamille Bidan (we know he's alive)
Christina McKenzie (0080)
Shiro Amada (08th MS Team - presumed dead and living in the jungle)
The ones who are certainly absent:
Judau Ashta - he is on his way to Jupiter
Rou Rouxka- with Judau
what we really want to know is what happened to Yazan Gable.
@@SantomPh He is currently the protector of a little girl Newtype called "Little Johnny Ridden"
I watched almost all your Gundam reviews in just one day, they are superbly well made. Will you review the first movie of the Hathaway's trilogy too?
Great to see some serious Gundam analysis on youtube.
Here is my explanation for why the transforming mobile suits/wave rider modes started showing up all over the place in Zeta Gundam. Tomino commented publicly that mobile suits are fantasy, and that they would be highly vulnerable to fighter jets in atmospheric combat due to their poor aerodynamics. Hence why they came up with the "[To]minovsky" particle and had the battles take place in space. I think the transformations were a way for Tomino to square how mobile suits could stay relevant in atmospheric combat, you will notice this most prominently with the gliders like the Dodai and the flying armor that you begin to see mobile suits riding all over the place in Zeta once they're on the earth. You also start to see mobile armor all over the place. Anything not riding on a dodai equivalent, including Hizacks, are usually transformable mobile armor instead like the Asshimar. I think deep down, Tomino kinda thought giant robots are silly compared to traditional jets, and the transformation kick in Zeta was him drifting the designs toward something that made more sense.
Amuro definitely lost hope a few times, hence Bright's slap. Great video though, you helped me connect the dots on tons of stuff
Also… I’m of the belief that Judau and the Gundam team are the literal personification of Char’s “humanity will awaken to their newtype gifts” . They are what Char longed to see the world turn out to be.
Excellent video! Thank you!
And you should make a video on G Gundam! This is a high quality video my man! Would love to hear your thoughts on Master Asia, Domon, and the overall plot of g gundam. Also would love to know the song you used at 0:06
Dude you are awesome. Great video. Thank you.
My analysis is Char gone insane after the fall of AEUG he complete lose it when everything he built gone in to ash. So in CCA is the madman who has superpower nation behind him.
Char was always a sociopath, in that he doesn't care for others, except maybe Lalah.
He felt that he could train Kamille and AEUG to be the best of the spacenoids, Zeon 2.0. The collapse of AEUG and Kamilles handicapping really broke the man.
Basically he realized that he needed to wipe humans off the Earth, force them to move to space. He has to be the devil.
That last episode of Zeta goes under the radar a lot, but I think it was the most impressive performance Char ever put up as a pilot. He was up against two of the most powerful newtypes in the history of UC (Haman Khan and Sirocco), both of which were in state of the art mobile suits (the Qubeley and The O). Char pushed that Hiaku Shiki to the limit, and then some, until there was literally nothing left of that thing. He gave it everything he had. Yet Haman survived. Char did too, but we didn't know that, because we saw neither Quattro nor Char after that. Not until the drop of Fifth Luna at the beginning of Char's Counterattack.
How do you come back from something like that? Probably not very well.
Yep Char went completely off the deep end and had to be stopped. Way to go Amuro
Funny how you mentioned when Char lost Kamile he stop caring about newer generation. If you played SRW “ Super Robot Wars” in Z3 Full Frontal is considered what would happen if Char threw away his humanity because he lost Kamile. In SRW X Char activity tries to kill Kamile feeling that if he can get rid of him he can get rid of his guilt of letting Kamiles mind being broken and in SRW T Char let Kamile know he was alive through a message. So 🤣
Fantastic video!
"Char is Pure" really is something I didn't understand until I read Beltorchika's children. Glad they actually explain it there.
Nice analysis, very impressed.
i would argue that the idea of purity doesnt mean good, or even evil, but that his purpose itself was his entire motive. nothing else mattered. not that it was moral.
great content! liked and subbed.
Hey this is a great video, I was wondering what you thought about Amuro not wanting to mentor Quess. I think Amuro believes in people but he does not really want to connect with them so he only understands half the lesson, he's always been introverted but he seems to push people away and only follows Char which is this unhealthy rivalry.
I always wanted a retelling of this story where Kamille fights Char instead of Amuro.
There's a reason wh SRW Z and SRW T casts Char in a more positive light.
T doesn't. T casts Quattro in a more positive light but craps on Char pretty heavily when he comes back into the scene. They do try to make it seem like Char wants to do better when all is said and done, especially by Haman, but the cast is still pretty tough on him. So you've got a bit of a point, that Char is more anti-hero but it still ticks off the heroes pretty heavily.
Char is obviously a villain but a hero in his own ways. He took his fathers death a lil to far 👀
good explanation and analysis
The end of Unicorn almost gave me hope when Banager went back in time to the Axis Shock imagine if he could reach out to Amuro's Gundam and brought back both Amuro and Char back to 0096 😅
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I have a question, did Yuu Kajima also died in Char Counter Attack? Yuu Kajima is the main character of Gundam side story "Blue Destiny". He's one of my favorite character in the Game "Gundam Gihren No Yabou". Gundam Wiki stated that he was one of the Jegan pilot who push the Axis from hitting Earth.
No, Yuu doesn't die. He's one of the pilots that get pulled off of Axis by the psycoframe pulse.
I can say the exact same thing about Amuro and it is also correct. That's the entire point. It's a clash of ideas with no explicit right or wrong.
Great breakdown. Char’s counterattack is such a great story and you broke it down very well. Nicely done sir. Sieg Zeon.
Sorry I don't have much to add but I want to give a shout out to all these amazing comments giving different perspectives and exposition for CCA. I genuinely enjoy reading them!!!
one thing i notice, he didn't want to kill Amuro and that led to his collapse. both on first and counter attack series.
The people that think he's right are the same people that post Joker images on their feed lol.
I like to think of it this way. In the context of the gundam universe char is right that humanity must leave earth.
1. Earth is horribly polluted and they just might kill it if nothing changes.
2. There is massive inequality caused by the division between earth and space. After all the space colonies essentially started as a way for the rich to get rid of the poor. And as we see in Hathaway, who gets to stay on earth is a major societal problem.
3. Once humanity moves into space, it is likely most of humanity will awaken to become newtypes and when that happens and humanity is able to communicate with itself on such a level, the cause of wars and strife in the first place may just fall away. There may be eternal peace even.
Char's methods are of course wrong. But then again what other methods can succeed. We see the same struggles and foolishness play out long after Char is dead. No other method succeeded in getting humanity's ass into space.
I don't think Char is right but I vividly understand where he is coming from. It would be hard to see any other way
@@anenemystand5582 he outright thinks that Oldtypes need to die out for humanity to evolve, Char is genocidal and I have no clue why people try to say any of his beliefs or actions (outside of the destruction of the Zabi family) were justified.
@@MrPikaGammer ok. So why are you telling me that. I said I agreed with you.
I only understand where Char is coming from. It's not hard to see how continued disillusionment and desperation led him to become the monster he is post zeta.
@@anenemystand5582 it seemed as if you were slightly defending his actions but I misread
@@MrPikaGammer haha don't worry my guy. I'm not the sort to go around defending people who attempt mass murder, even fictional ones.
Just love that amuro grab sazabi's hoses just like how he grab the hose of his first zaku kill
The fan theory I like is that after the Hyaku Shiki was destroyed, Casval was not rescued fast enough to avoid getting oxygen deprivation sickness similar to Tem Ray. This would explain the fact that ALL the character development between Casval and Amuro in "Zeta" was completely ignored in "Conter Attack".
It's not necessary. I believe in ZZ Gundam they talk about Char for a moment and mention how being powerless while so many things are going on probably crushed his spirits. He was simply just a broken man after Zeta Gundam. And stewed in his thoughts until he was ready to do something
It really wasnt... did you even watch z? the whole point of char's act is that if he wanted change he needed to pursuit it himself
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I even made a Char Clone for my Gundam novel! Haven't seen much of him in action yet to get an idea of his deal, but I can tell you he is well read! Reading old physical books in an almost entirely digital age! He's a little old skool and something of a man of culture! But deadly in Unit 009, the stealthy Sabotage Gundam!
As a gundam fan, I gonna follow your career with interest
the sad thing about UC timeline is that despite newtype being the next evolution of mankind in the end they were kinda extinct in crossbone no more funnel/bits technology left despite how powerful that technology was because the lack of newtype, in a sense char was right in forcing the evolutionary step for mankind
17:25. Actually, that’s EXACTLY what happened. Goku became a secondary character while the story became more about Gohan (for awhile).
Char's Counterattack is a marred masterpiece. The lack of Kamille and Sayla is so illogical, as is Char's sudden heel turn back to ultra-villainy after being at worst an edgy hero in Zeta Gundam. His absense from the story of ZZ was a major omission as well, and it really detracts from the internal logic and the consistent characterization of the series.
It could have been worse. Kamille could have replaced Gunyei and just kinda died the same way.
I can't see Kamille taking someone hostage to try and blackmail Amuro for the Nu Gundam, nor being okay with the cyber newtype conditioning after what happened to Four Murasame and Rosamia Bidam. Also the similarity between Char and Paptimus Sirocco would probably disgust him. It would take some really deep brainwashing to make Kamille join Neo Zeon under Char
I didn't mean that Gyunei would be replaced with Kamille but otherwise all the character's actions would be the same. I meant that if Kamille was Char's right hand man instead of Gyunei, the events of the story would likely have been entirely different and in a more satisfying way to wrap up the early UC storyline.
I feel like Char wouldn't have had patience for people that would enable him in what he was doing.
Kamille and Sayla should have been in CCA but I dont see Kamille joining Char. Char in CCA is making the same argument Haman made In Zeta and Kamille shot that down in the theater. I would say the reason Kamille and Sayla aren't in CCA is because as it stands they would have talked Char down. The biggest problem I find with CCA is that Char was not set up as a tragic hero turned villain in ZZ.
I said this awhile back:
Exploring Char and seeing what an incredible, truly compelling character he is takes you to the top of the Gundam hill.
Idealizing him instead of recognizing that he's very much a tragic character and a cautionary tale just takes you back down the other side of that hill.
He's a hero in Zeta. He's a villain in Char's Counterattack. It's that simple.
I call it Chars Midlife Crisis. But no, Char was never really a hero. He was close to it in Zeta but he ended that as an anti-hero still. We needed an interim look at Chars complete fall from sanity into a full blown villain role in between Zeta and CCA, I'd have felt a lot better about the nearly one eighty he did at that point. Amusingly this has been done much better in Super Robot Wars, T in particular did a good job with it.
Ya sabía que esta voz se me hacia conocida jaja I'm glad to see he's making more gundam content. Lol
Char was the chosen one trope. he was the only one who could have truly saved the UC. But after having lost every thing he was consumed by nihilism. Char tries to push all his hope on Amuro and Kamille the same way Haman pushes all of hers on Judau.
Amuro Is the reluctant hero. He is forced in to action but steps up when he needs to. He also over comes nihilism choosing instead to believe in the soul of man kind and willingly giving his life for the those who can not defend themselves.
Quess was the last hope for Char. Char made the mistake of thinking Quess was looking for a lover in him the same way Haman was. So Char was willing to use her as a weapon. But in truth Quess was Closer to Kamille in that she wanted Char to be a Father figure. When Amuro reveals this to Char in the end it breaks his heart and that what leads him to opening up to Amuro about Lalah thus allowing them to finally reach understanding.
Great analysis, this comment section is gold.
I always felt that the "Lalah Mother" comment comes across weird, but I think it's intentional.
Char is trying to verbalize something he's been holding side for 14 years, and while he can't quite get it across to Amuro, the resonating psycho frames let them finally reach an understanding.
@@DSHPerotecH Amuro is kinda in a bad place in CCA as well. He was always good at trying to understand other but in CCA he is purposely closing himself off to them. Quess being the best example of this as Amuro knew she was looking for a father but chose to avoid dealing with the issue thus pushing Quess to Char. He also continues to run from Lalah a act which he had been doing since the end off original gundam.
As for Char he never was good at communicating feelings or reading others. The closest he came was in Zeta in his interactions with Kamille. He often would just bottle up his feelings like how he missed his sister Sayla yet was unable to just go to her or his struggle with his responsibility to zeon and his father's legacy. Another one that comes to mind is when Haman accused Char of betraying her and Minerva. He first tries to deny it lashing out in anger but later just goes and sulks in a dark room.
@@kinggundragon3728 Absolutely.
Sadly, the novels and CCA movie are all sort of flawed and a mess with their characters. I'm waiting for the day when we get an objectively good Gundam movie/show.
They all feel so close to greatness, yet never quite stick the landing.
@@DSHPerotecH CCA's biggest issues for me is that Char's heel turn feels some what forced and the lack of Sayla and Kamille. Char's whole augment through out Zeta was no we cant use violence to force people to be better but he throws that view totally out the window in CCA betraying himself. I feel that the biggest reason for this is that Char and Amuro are not in ZZ.
Char and Amuro should have returned after Haman drops the Colony on Ireland. With Char wanting to kill her under the guise of finally taking responsibility for his past. Judua would have worked good as a foil to Char as he is in most of the game where they interact. The final fight should have been Judua fighting Glemy, Amuro against the ple clones and Char fighting Haman. We would also have gotten a true Amuro and Char team up which would have been great seeing them fighting together.
During the fight between Char and Haman they should have linked and finally came to a understanding of each others views. In this moment Char would have his Greatest victory. He would have proven both his father and Lalah right that people can reach understanding that they are not bound to endless cycles of hatred and pain. But then a random fedi shoots Haman while their still linked leading to Char experiencing her death opening old wounds left from Lalah's death.
Judua, Char and Amuro would then have to watch as the federation forces start wiping out all of the remaining neo zeon forces. Char's idealistic hopes for the future being crushed right before his eyes. This would have been a good set up for his down fall In CCA with him going in to CCA with the view of I was able to forgive but the federation never will thus creating a us against them view point in Char. With him pushing a large amount of the blame on to Amuro for both not fixing every thing and for not siding with him and the spacenoids.
Then Sayla and Kamille could both appear in CCA trying to talk Char down saying what he is doing is evil to which he could then reply I know but i am doing it for you. This would have worked well for setting him up not simply as a torture soul seeking to have one last fight with his rival but also a tragic hero believing that he is walking the path of the lesser evil. Only to then have Amuro bring him back to reality by revealing that he had done to Quess the same as the federation had done to Kamille in Zeta.
@@kinggundragon3728 Its a heel turn, but its not without reason. Char's extreme actions in CCA are because he loses all of the hope he had left after Kamile's "Death". He wasn't in ZZ for this very reason, the loss of Kamile broke him. When he finally comes back he is so jaded and bitter that he wants to just burn it all down.
I really like your idea for how ZZ could have gone down if Char and Amuro had been in it though, it really is an interesting perspective that I would have loved to watch. Great analysis!
F90 also followed CCA, although it's not a direct sequel. The ultimate moment was when the F90 faced off against the F90 II , the former with the "A.R" program installed and the latter with the "C.A" program installed. The Last Shot from 0079 was reenacted but unlike the Zeong the F90II's cockpit is in the chest, so the antagonist dies. Prior to this, he explains that he stole the F90 II because he was part of Neo Zeon and saw Axis' plunge into the atmosphere, fearful of the psychoframe resonance.
It's a good read, since it's set on Mars with the Oldsmobile Zeon army piloting hilariously large versions of One Year War suits and staffed by mostly old men.
"Amuro was just a kid"
Ahhhh... You may have forgotten that Amuro's dad helped to develop the Gundam, so he wasn't just any random kid off the street.
He more or less was, as he had little to no contact with his father and wasn't involved in building the gundam in any way. At least in the original continuity, not the Origin retcon stuff
Amuro was occasionally brought by Tem to the weapons facility, and developed a heart for robotics and engineering. If he never encountered Grandpa, he eventually would've been hired as a engineer, depending on how he develops his politics - the Feds, Zeon, or Anaheim.
Oye ¿tú eras el de los videos de INX Media verdad? Me preguntaba dónde habías estado.
Great video although I do disagree with some of the things mentioned. I just wish that they'd make an anime or an animr film explaining Char's transition from Zeta to CCA (I don't count the novels). I do agree that Char, alongside the majority of the UC characters are some of the more complex characters written in fiction (that definitely applies more to Char).
So maybe Char's transition is simple (lack of oxygen from drifting out in space for far too long resulting in minor or severe brain damage/amnesia, post Zeta). The events of ZZ is the only real evidence we have that most likely turned him over to the darkside but, although commiting the perfect suicide isn't out of the question, I refuse to believe that Char went to great lengths in CCA just so Amuro could kill him.
Having humanity migrate to space was always something he wanted (or at least we think) and I do feel that we have reason enough to believe that Char may have mentally augmented himself to be that of a Cybernew-Type so in order to compete with people like Amuro, Camille, or Judeau (fits perfectly with the brain damage theory). With all that, his visions of Lah Lah intensify driving him to the point of insanity. One thing we have to remember is that Char, despite being a killer Mobile Suit pilot, wasn't a very powerful New-Type when compared to the others, thus would explain the enhancements (which would later be used to create Full-Frontal).
I am just using my head canon here. No real evidence. Again, cool video mate!
I believe you may be oversimplifying and oversimplifying some things Char is not a hero he is a tragic hero by definition. He was motivated by revenge but it's the motivation of many heroes the he is gripped in conflict within himself by being haunted by Lalah Sune and his feelings for haman and his child and that he could save humanity but with he he was seeing the the future through his new type abilities and knew what was going to happen he leaked the psycho frame technology to to Aneheim specifically because he knew that it would reach londo Bell and to amuros nu Gundam would needed to stop him he begs amuro to stop him from doing something wicked. It was a game of chess but he already knew what would happen he had to shock the earth into saving it's self he is so cold and dispassionate because he knew that it was the last chance Lalah said he was pure because he was had put all the pieces in motion and amuro needed to do his part as well he just didn't know what it would be as we as the audience they both had to for a lack of a better term join with the force to borrow a term from star wars to actually save humanity sadly we know that doesnt happen because of all the UC series that happen after I may be just making wild assumption and deifying char with what I think what the extent of his power but it still allows for him to be the Messiah he was set up to be
The cockpit in the head is a throwback to the Zeong which also had its cockpit in the head. It's meant to throw off the opposing party
This Movie was a Throwback to the One Year War,
MSV/Beltorchikas Children are considered Parallel Timelines.
It´s war, usually no one is right