Detroit auto engineers tear down BYD's Seagull: "An extinction-level event"
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- Auto industry insiders were stunned when Caresoft, a highly regarded engineering consulting firm, tore down BYD's mass-market EV, the Seagull.
Priced around $11,000, the engineers found the Seagull to be well-designed, user friendly, rich with options, and of surprisingly high quality and reliability.
The US automakers reacted swiftly, and produced reports insisting that BYD's entrance into US car markets would be met with strong enthusiasm from buyers, and legacy carmakers would be unable to survive.
Because of the Seagull's low price point, US tariffs of 25% would be irrelevant: BYD could still make high profits even after the tariffs were paid. Or, BYD could simply place final assembly plants in Mexico and avoid them altogether. Aware of this, the Biden Administration in May jacked the tariffs up to 100%, and announced that Chinese car plants even in tariff treaty countries would be cut off from US markets.
Correction: I was wrong when I said that EV's are lighter. Apologies. I was working with three sets of notes, and the changes didn't make it over in the final draft. It was my fault. Cheers. Kw
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5 takeaways from Biden's tariff hikes on Chinese electric vehicles
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Closing scene, Harbor, Hainan Province
Everything in this video is a repeat of what the newspaper said about Japanese cars in the 1970s. At first, Detroit made a lot of complains. The Japanese wages were too low. The Japanese manipulated the Yen to depress prices of their exports. All kinds of excuses. When Detroit stopped complaining and studied the issue seriously, they found that the Japanese automobile industry was a completely different industry. Their Just-in-Time system was completely different from anything anyone in the US ever heard of. Toyota was producing cars at 40% lower cost and a different level of quality; Toyota was designing new cars at less than half the time and cost it took Detroit to do so. That was an extinction level threat.
If you replace BYD Seagull with Toyota Corola in this video, you have a perfect description of what happened in the US automobile market of the 1970s. If the US automobile makers want to survive, they better stop complaining and start studying how BYD make cars. They need to copy whatever they can.
We already know the answer: American car makers were NEVER able to replicate japanese car quality, they only survive because of protectionist laws in certain segments of the market.
I think it will be an impossible task when it comes to EV production because the chinese dominance in rare earth mining and battery production. It will simply be impossible to compete on price no matter what they do.
The only way will be to out innovate the chinese and produce cars in a more up market segment but that seems highly unlikely looking at todays american youth and american culture
The problem is, automakers have to first have the humility to admit that the Chinese are doing it better. Then the learning can begin.
The American automotive industry is too lazy. Research and learning are no longer the first options, and car companies prefer tariffs and trade wars to avoid exporting Chinese cars to the United States.
@@randomaccount598 out innovate when the cars already start at $47k - these guys are ridiculous!! Finished before they start - Ford, championing “choice” has three EV models - I giant cargo van, F-150 and Emustang the lowest price $47k and mustang cannot tow anything
Persons in Congress should wear the logo of their sponsors like NASCAR drivers do.
There should be NO lobbyist cash paid to anyone in Government. None. Corruption is the problem.
Shout out to Mike Rivero
@@nevillekettle1823 I will tell you, as someone from a country that did ban that.. please do not do that. IT is a huge mistake. The sponsoring ill exist.. but only from under the hood and from criminal organization. Better to leave the congress under influence of companies that at least are legal then basically deliver them to the drug business as happened here when we banned legal company lobby..
Every republican congressman (except one) has an AIPAC person to consult before voting or speaking on an issue. I believe democrats have too. We may assume that they all have more 'persons' to 'help' them make decisions.
@@happymelon7129 You realize corporations give money to political action committees who then give money to candidates so all you see is the name of the PAC NOT the individual companies who donate…right? Corporations essentially “launder” the money so it’s not so easily traceable.
Warren Buffet and Charlie Munger did not invest in Tesla and instead invested in BYD back in 2008. Think about it.
I'm sure one meeting with Elon was all they needed.
Buffett sold all of his BYD stock more than a year ago......
now EHANG
That's why the Chinese are giving away cars, right??? They're just so damn awesome everyone wants them!!! The Chinese don't even want Chinese products. China needs to prepare. They're already on the way back to 3rd world status.
@@NathanBullard-i9kall？
😂still accusing China for reverse engineering and stealing IP. Now Detroit is reverse engineering of BYD cars
I never understood accusing China of stealing IP when for the last 40+ years every industry in the US was firing millions of American workers to move operations to China for that sweet slave labor. You can't steal something that was given to you.
Hahah yes they are. Whats China going to do about it? Cry?
It isn't "srealing" if you acquire it legally. Unlike China who don't hesitate to cyber hack their way to gaining IP and pump out cars that oddly resemble Western products like Porsche, Range Rover, Mini clones. Absolutely shameless.
The Americans accused the japanese copying their lousy Ford back in the days when japanese cars were more fuel efficient, poor losers alright. 😂😂
China stole Tesla tech, not GM, Ford, Stellantis.
They are doing what Henry Ford did. Making electric vehicles accessible to the masses.
I’m afraid you are correct. The BYD Seagull could be this century’s Ford Model T.
INDEED
The United Soviet States of America will soon realise they can only afford Trabant, Lada and Zil like cars made by state own GM or subsidised Ford 🤔 and for twice the price than the VW / Toyota's of China (BYD, Geely, Li auto, Nio, Wuling, Xpeng etc...)
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Ford supplied Hitler’s planes tanks & fleets - he got the highest Nazi honour “the golden cross” cuz of course
ford is now the 3rd most subsidised company after Boeing & intel
Or Volkswagen - people's car.
I feel like it is important to point out that if a Republican was in the White House the tariff situation would be exactly the same. Lobbyists from the American auto industry would have been gotten it done regardless of which party controlled the White House.
When you have to tariff and ban your competitors products cause they're better and cheaper, you've already lost.
Exactly. The US auto industry is already dead, they just forgot to bury its corpse.
LOL, Commies who keep their own market closed to foreign companies and products on equal trade practices are preaching free markets ? LOL, That's so rich I will leave it to the net.
of course, china doesnt charge any tariffs to any american import 😂😂
@@guguiguguQuestion is who started first???
@@shyamranger china did. Nothing against their cars, they are great actually, but US cars for decades have had a 1-200% import tax, we never had a chance to sell them anything.
BYD is skyrocketing here in Brazil.
1 - BYD is opening a Fab in Brazil, so the costumers knows they'll have national part supply for decades.
2 - Price is extremely competitive for the level of features embedded, If you want to enter the EV world, why would you buy an extremely expansive Tesla?
3 - BYD has a localized campaign, they are not just a big brand that hopes they'll sell anything to South Americans.
4 - South Americans are feed with Americans and Europeans, brands overall. The Americans and European brands used to bring new technologies to Brazilian Fabricated models years after these technologies being implemented in the US and Europe... Basically, they were used to sell the overcapacity/ old tech to us at a premium price, or the same price it was asked in the US and European Market (old tech is always cheaper, but we had no choice, now we have 🙂)
5 - We don't see China as a treat, as the "West" want us to see... Last month, US sent an Aircraft carrier and a Navy General to our country and this General said we shouldn't increase trade with China because China is a treat ... a US General, Saying this in a f***ing Aircraft carrier 😂 😂
Yes, it is the first company that decided to sell a high quality car for a fair price in Brazil.
Do you mean 'threat' when you say 'treat' ?
Same here in Thailand.
U are right😂@@abraxalito
You are forgetting the bit where massive tariffs are imposed on imported goods coming from Europe and US so what you always got was a consequence of that. So blame your government not US and Europe. The Chinese are making the cars so much cheaper that they can afford all the niceties you are experiencing. If you don't fear the Chinese, do so at your own risk. It's an autocracy used to playing the very long game and people keep forgetting this.
I live in Brazil and just bought a BYD Dolphin and it's an amazing car.
Eu ainda fico com receio pelo que foram os carros Cherry a uns 10 anso atras. DEpois de um ano cheios de defeitos. Mas torço que dessa vez seja diferente.
@@tiagodagostini AInda no segundo mes e menos de 700km rodados e posso afirmar que para mim, não tem volta. Sempre irei dar preferencia para elétricos e a BYD é isso tudo mesmo.
Espero que o Brasil tenha a consciência de tirar os 18 MIL reais de impostos sobre o Dolphin em um desses acordos com a China.
you get what you pay for.
@Givemeabreak-56 that is true, I grew up with the concept of maintaining and repairing your car so that one day your kid could own a classic. Those days are gone now it's like your PC or phone, you pay for the level of product quality you want/can afford knowing that the obsolescence date is keeping closer and closer
Extinction-level arrogance & hypocrisy.
The world is literally going through a sixth mass extinction, and the American elite are choosing profits over the well being of people. Their entitlement and selfishness is a sickness.
It's system-wide. A big part of our current problems arise from a competence or professionalism deficit. For example, you'll not find a more dramatic set of example of engineering failures and incompetence than in software. Software 'engineers' are often the most dangerous people out there, because they routinely underestimate the intelligence of others while overestimating their own. There is NO accountibility there at all; they make messes, other people are expected to clean it up. It's all roughshod and libertarian where they magically believe that 'open source' has magical power and why interoperability is paperthin. Need another dose of reality? Just listen to Sam Altman for fifteen seconds and realize just how f**ked we are with people like him allowed to have undue influence over society and broad domestic and economic policy, not to mention the implications of foreign policy that arise. People assume that people who drop out from university are smarter than they are (often they're just impatient, or have no proper work ethic), but it turns out they're just monopolistic opportunists (i.e., Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, and so on). What magnifies the destructive power of software 'engineering' failures has been the rise in MBA puppy mills, and how these people are put into place to become the decisionmaker bureaucracy. Western society is one where the mediocre (and that's being generous) rise to the top and I have no clue on how it can be fixed.
Any mention of mass state subsides at every stage of the manufacturing process?
@@timmyg44 No, but I expect the Chinese to do that better than the USA does. Actually USA does massive indirect subsidies specifically to get around accountability and transparency. But using other metrics, they can just say "who would have known this was never going to work?" If you look at the infrastructure bill, or better yet, the CHIPS act.
Democrasee an freedam cantriis niid to sankshuns dikteitur cpp. Dhey ar maek EV too cheep , so Westurn kampanii cannot eaarn moor
You may find,he American medias'main task now is to discredit EVs. Since it is impossible for American to catch up
They should discredit solar panels and wind too lol. Oh also discredit SMR small modular reactors which uses Thorium. All made in China
You may find, handful of corporations actually hold shares in most of the medias, the very same ones that hold shares in most of the social medias, movie companies in Hollywood, and also, automobile manufacturers in the states.
Since when did "the American media" become Pro- American??
Since when did "the American media" become Pro- American??
Since when did "the American media" become pro-American??
Chinese-made Seagull costs $11K to buy. Meanwhile, a fender bender on a US-made Rivian costs about $40K to fix.
@@FabienTeulieres93 yes but the Seagull costs Chinese citizens 40k every sale. Thats their food money going to market dumping EVs on America and the world. Ugly stuff now that you think about it, eh?
These tariffs reveal two things --- first, and not so important, the US has a double standard when it comes to trade; second and more important, the US is weak and cannot compete.
Back before all the manufacturing from the west moved to China we had tariffs to protect manufacturers and their workers from the low wage economy of China. If you want a real comparison of what BYD can do let them build the same car entirely in the US playing by the same rules and paying the same wages and other expenses as the US auto makers. If Tesla can have a factory in China I don't see why BYD can't have one in the US.
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China’s idea of free trade, “gives us decades worth of IP if you want to do business in China, then we’ll dump product and wipe out your industry”
US has double standards for many things, not just trade.
@@nicerides9224 There is no way our govt. will allow BYD to open a manufacture plant here. Is called 'National Security'.
I'm not surprised that these Caresoft folk found the BYD to be a quality cheap vehicle. I've always thought the Chinese cars were better than people thought for a while now. I got a C class Merc about a year and a half ago, the same time my colleague bought a Chinese model car. In the past 18 months my German car has needed costly repairs at the workshop 3 times, one time going in for 6 weeks while they waited for a part to be shipped into South Africa from Germany. In that same time frame the only time my colleague's Chinese car went into the workshop was for its scheduled service. He dropped it in the morning, picked it up on his way home in the evening after work. If we were to do a quality assessment I know who would win, and it certainly would not be the German car....🤐
Except for that Tesla can compete. But that doesn't make the current government and their media happy!
You buy German for premium look and feel but not for reliability.
😂😂
@@larsnystrom6698 Tesla cannot compete at all, proven by their continuously declining sales. Compared to a Chinese EV, Tesla designs are dull and boring, quality is inferior, features are very basic, yet cost way more than a similar Chinese EV.
Why do you think that is, contrary to what Western LIARS are telling you the Chinese market is DEMANDING and its so big nobody wants to get a bad name meaning quality for internal brands is of the highest importance and competition is high, there are many huge brands here competing and they all make high quality cars. These cars you are getting come from experience in testing in one of the worlds largest markets and EVs have around 50% of sales now in that market and growing fast. The cars you are getting come from pure experience, quality control and a refined process of building and managing the products. They are better than anything else on the market because of that alone. Same with DJI, same with Huawei, these companies have HUGE markets, vast wealth and high demands of quality. You're being lied to and screwed over by your own Governments. Youll notice the shareholders, owners and CEOs wont be taking any hits for the survival of the companies, no, its very simple BLEED PEOPLE DRY to maintain profits high.
I live in New Zealand, the smallest car that Tesla make is still too big for what I would use an EV for (around town) and too expensive. If and when I can get a small city style EV that will cover the 200 odd km's I do a week on one charge, and for under NZ$25k, I will consider buying one. Wait a minute, isn't that what BYD are offering with the Seagull? Perfect.
If the markup on the BYD Dolphin in NZ is any indicator then the Seagull would be closer to NZ$40,000
@@meofnz2320 The Dolphin is currently just $44k, so hopefully the Seagull would be a decent amount less. The least expensive EV right now is the Fiat 500e @ $35k, which is pretty good really.
I bought one here in Brazil. This car is amazing! My Jeep Compass is getting dust in my garage b/c nobody here in my home wants to drive it anymore. After using it for two weeks, I went to use the Jeep. It looks like a wagon! Hard seats! The technology in my Jeep looks like what the Sumerians used! CEOs of traditional automakers and auto parts are sleepless. Let them fight!
Can I ask how much you paid for the Seagull? I read in news that Brazil has already upped the tariffs as well?
@@MrMingsyin The problem with any car price in Brazil is that the government tax at least 55% no matter what. The BYD Seagull, named Dolphin Mini here, is selling for about U$19.000 after tax.
But we are used to pay even more than this for trash from legacy auto like GM, Ford or VW. The Brazilian GM Onix which some years ago got zero on a crash test have a higher price tag than the BYD Seagull and offers almost nothing of comfort, technology or features. BYD is really shacking Brazilian market and making legacies wake up. Petrol industry, auto parts industry and ANFAVEA (car's manufacturers association) are lobbing congress to apply a immediate 35% tax on Chinese EVs.
the Sumerians used!🤣🤣🤣
@@JRSGandara $11,000 (the price Seagull sold in China) plus shipping and 55% tariff, it's still competitive an amazing. Thanks for the update.
Just a matter of fact, Sumerians use higher tech than us. Just saying.
Why are US auto makers worried? Apparently, Americans only want big cars, the BYD Seagull is not that. Competition is good for everyone. Welcome BYD with open arms, instead of tariffs mandate that BYD setup a joint car factory in the US. Problem solved.
Marketing: Research says people want fuel-efficient, comfortable cars, with decent room for all of their stuff. And they want them at a reasonable price.
Executives: Right, a $60K pickup truck for everyone then.
BYD is a market disruptor 😂😂😂... America seems to have forgotten how free market works...
Free market is dead in the west
Only free market when they were leading or captured your oil
@@lohwencheun552 When they sell fxxking drugs
Oh it knows and it’s known for centuries.
Free market and free trade was Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan has been replaced by MAGA.
The problem isn't just the auto manufacturing lobbyists, it's also lobbyists for the auto dealers, banks and insurance companies; they are all making a killing on wildly overpriced vehicles, and the last thing they want is smaller pieces of pie. Lobbying is corporate fascism.
My friend tried to buy a MG BEV here in Australia. The salesman spent the whole time trying to convince him to buy a hybrid. Auto dealerships hate Tesla and EV's in general because they require so little servicing and maintenance.
Why not buy the Tesla, then?
You seem to have left out Unions.
You're true to a certain extent but nobody has a gun to their head forcing them to buy the overpriced cars they buy. I live in Toronto and most vehicles people drive here are overpriced and oversized. Status means more then anything to most people. Prior to year 2000 people never would have driven cars like this. Gas is too expensive here. And in Toronto a lot of people drive long distances everyday to commute to work.
US auto industry took off when Henry Ford made great cars for a cheap price. Stalin banned the film Grapes of wrath in USSR, because Russians could see that even poor people could afford a car in America. BYD is allowing US citizens to relive that dream, whilst feeling good about the planet.
Stalin did not bother with cars. Communism does not bother with cars. The USSR made massive investments in public transport. For Communism, investing resource time in building toys does not make sense. Everything Communism does is with national economy in mind. This is the reason why Moscow still today has a massive and extremely far-reaching metro network. There are people in Moscow, and not only in Moscow, who never had a car, simply because they never needed one. Search for videos of Chinese cities here on TH-cam. Their metro stations are better than European airports. The private car was pushed in the West for two reasons, first for the mega private oil companies to make mega billions, and second for the private car companies to provide employment for many thousands of people. It had absolutely nothing to with actually best serving neither the interest of the individual, nor that of the country as a whole.
American citizens need to Clean house in Washington and bring America into the modern age of "sensible thinking"
Sadly it's not going to happen!
@@vc4510agree. 😢😢😢
Too late. The Empire is falling.
The problem in America is the people, Washington is a reflection of the voters. America did this to themselves. The only escape route is education.
All our government cares about is companies. All companies care about is themselves and making money. Our country is doomed if this does not stop. Selfishness and greed will continue removing our rights and freedoms if we do not change our direction.
I'm unemployed. I have to make a living, I'm driving for Uber and looking forward to buy affordable EVs car to use. F the politicians and overpaid auto workers.
Our rulers think we're still paying too little for everything. 😢
Israel
There is a Brazilian Uber driver who said that when he bought a BYD car to drive, his income went up 80% because he saved so much on gas.
I'm not sure that blaming other working folks will helo anything, except maybe the corporate bosses.
thumb up, you WILL NOT WANT TO F the politicians...as you will get yourself DIRTY, what you
can do... is simply this....STOP VOTING FOR THESE LEGALIZED LIARS...REGARDLESS OF
PARTY !!!
When you realize labor is only around 7% of a vehicle cost this is truly damning.
I think the Seagull is probably how most people envisioned that EV's would be: Small, effective and affordable, and that they would be a solution to the environmental problems posed by automobiles. About time something like that came in a big way.
American government isn’t about making sure that Americans can afford EVs
No they make sure you stay poor so their money master can control and enslave every one
@@donkeykong516 It is about the UAW
The lobbyist are more powerful than the people. The people have been enslaved.
It’s about protecting the auto industry elites and their lobby aka cash
That government belong to the era of cassette tape players.
In Brazil, BYD is selling the Seagull as the Dolphin Mini, since the regular Dolphin already has a name around here. The Mini, as the Dolphin, is selling well for an EV in our Market. Good to know they are well built and reliable. US, japanese and European carmakers are lobbying the government to raise taxes for Evs, since they don't have comparable vehicles to respond to the Chinese models.
Chinese engineering is actually pretty good. They can produce very cost effective products that people want.
... with the exit of Chinese graduates from the US Tech / Sci disciplines back to China & the very hostile attacks by elected US officials against these people, clearly shows how negative & toxic the ' china ' narrative has become within the collapsing western hegemonic empire led by the US ..... China is light years ahead of the world on many fronts ... engineering is but one small stepping block. Medicine - Robotics .... now a reality.
China will make what you pay them to make, if you want quality products, they will make quality product and it will come with a cost, but if you want cheap products they will make it too, but they won't be of quality. You can't have your cake and eat it too. 🤷
@@superkd7030 That is true. Not everything made in China is cheap.
I don't think Chinese products are cheap in terms of quality or price.
More Chinese companies are producing their own brands, which can compete with international brands these days.
From my experience, you can get the following from China: Good, fast, cheap...pick two.
Great, got 1 Billion Chinese, that bigger market than all of North and South America together, sell them EV's to Chinese.
those who think chinese made products are poor quality are very ignorant
Yeah, a country that can put a probe on the far side of the Moon and build its own space station without external help can surely build ultra high quality stuff.
Especially the Indjans. They were criticizing Chinese cars like tofu. But what brand of cars have they built export to the world?
@@darkzeroprime5176 Didn't you notice how they word the 'executive summary' ? ---- BYD's Seagull is *_"simplistically designed, engineered and executed"_*
They manage to showcase their own arrogance
You'd think after going through the exact same thing with the Japanese and Koreans, they would've learnt from past mistakes
Chinese!!!
I'm a US citizen currently residing in Shenzhen, and the BYD cars are quite prevalent here and are quite amazing! Even the all-electric Shenzhen taxi service fleet are all BYD wagons, safe, efficient, and comfortable.
but what about the jobs? the middle class will go extinct.
@@sapitron
There are no current jobs in low-end car manefacturing anyway. Haven't been since the early 1990's.
Yes, communist slave labor in a highly intelligent race that has been culturally conditioned to conform can certainly make White technology cheaper than the race that pioneered it, when shown how.
Blocking Chinese EV out of North American market only means Detroit will fall behind further and further without competition. Only Japanese and Korean benefit from this tariff.
So does the "Biosecure act" to China CDMO, US don't gain competitiveness but Japan, Korea or EU benefits from it
There are reasons for that and Korea and Japan are friends of America as part of it.
@@ALWH1314 US sanction Japan late 70"s then sanction Korea late 90's. 😂
Tesla will absolutely be THE main benefactor of Sleepy Joe's tariffs.
@@palirvin1871 Korea and Japan are owned by the US. Not "friends'
There’s no tariff on imported EVs in Australia, and Tesla already had to lower their price by $20,000.
"Tesla had to...."
You've never read the 2006 Master Plan?
The part about reducing prices?
smh
@@rogerstarkey5390 Australians often hear about potential price reductions, however it's always a surprise if any of them happen. Was the Tesla Cybertruck part of that masterplan?
Goes to show how high the markup was
Well of course there is tariffs in Australia on cars, drum roll. Currently, there are no cars being completely made in Australia.
@@Scott-ig1zd you are 100% correct. I mistakenly believed another source that said there is no tariff.
Tariffs are like a gun that shoots yourself. US customers pay extra, not the factories.
"Free trade" and "fair competition," American-style. 👍👍👍👍👍
Theres no "fair" competition with china
Nice slogans 😂
Yes, cars made by slaves, yay capitalism
@@SeanGelardenis it in America..? 🤔
@@GizmoMaxx nobody ever said that but we have no obligation to help our enemy
Warren Buffett was smart to invest in BYD.
$270,000 investment which today is worth an estimated $8-9 Billion..Warren and Charlie can thank Li Lu for his advice
@@Kazahara613 Yes, he mentioned that it was because of geopolitics
@@Kazahara613 He still has 10% of BYD investment.
I got a BYD dolphin Plus and love it. Never had such a fun and charismatic caar. Everyone loves it.
Hope you park it away from your house
@@ChromecastM8 如果你做一点调查你就会发现，BYD的电池是最安全的。
@@ChromecastM8 Ooooh!
I guess if we want to talk about junk auto manufacturing, American manufacturing is at the top of the discussion.
$11k for an well built EV car. While I just paid $90k for a American made window storefront. Something wrong in the US.
Why would you do that, and not buy a Tesla instead? Bigot, someone?
Yep, highly overpaid management and CEOs.
So basically BYD build the Seagull the way Toyota used to build cars: simple, durable, reliable, and easy to service, maintain, and repair, _and_ affordable. I'd buy that. (PS my daily driver is a 1991 Toyota Cressida wagon with an odometer that broke at 358k miles a long, long time ago.)
The extinction-level event is a very good analogy. If we allows BYD to sell seagull in US, the impacts are not limited to US auto makers, the auto insurance companies and auto shops will go crazy as well. There is no need to repair a seagull after accident. Replacement is cheaper than repair. The insurance premium should be lower. The auto shops will have fewer cars to repair. The auto part industry is not be able to sell quite a lot of inventories of old auto parts. The car dealers will make less money because the seagull is far cheaper. DMV will lose revenue of the lower property value of Seagull. The gas stations will lose revenue because of less demands. US is not ready for such swept changes, thus extinction-level event.
All the above form part of US GDP, on which debts are being issued.
I am all for shutting down the entire auto industry in what is presently known as canada.
Well, the US wasn't ready to get rid of slavery. It took a war to blow up that economic model.
that's why there is no more dinosaur in the world 😢
Good points! And I hope we do have this radical change.
Toyota and Japan have failed miserably for not adopting Nissan's lead in BEVs well over a decade ago. Today, China & Korea have surpassed Japan in every BEV metric.
Japan wasted its effort on the Hydrogen autos which would be more expensive to run even if it succeeded.
@@laowantongchau Partly true, and Toyota did not spend enough on how to produce hydrogen cheap. China now is having Hydrogen Buses and Locomotives for export. But the import country has to consider to get a Hydrogen facility too 😁
Nissan's lead - two words I never expected to go together when discussing Toyota 😂
@@laowantongchautrue. The only place you can get one is California, and it's limited.
@@IaintTheHerb Toyota is failing miserably on many fronts. It may be all downhill from here...
American people must also quickly make the transition from combustion engines to climatic friendly cars, this is only way to reduce polution. Taxing such cars additionally, is a punch in the face of consumers which strongy awaits a cheaper EV car.
America is a last century museum in real time.
Yes
The Europeans (including the Americans) still hold the 500-year-old idea that they are much superior than the rest of the world
Then why does China steal our tech and everyone else's
the last empire.
Sadly, you are correct.
BYD invests into R&D, GM just announced last month $6bn of share buybacks. What GM is doing is like a breast implant to make it artificially looks good.
FYI in Colombia a BYD Seaguill starts at about USD 20K.
Face it, the US can't compete, so they act like Tonya Harding 😂
Hehe.....didn’t she go to jail? 😂
Perfect analogy, brilliant!
ha, kind of revealed the range your age.
Why me?!
Haha great analogy
There are too much pork barrel in the American car manufacturers.
Chinese manufacturers are really good in cutting cost.
I once met some Chinese executives flying economy to Africa.
Most western companies executives will fly business class.
Pork Barrel is the mainstay of the American society
From politicians to corporate tycoons, which one doesn't rely on Pork Barrel ?
Economy and business class is not that much different. Flying in a corporate jet, that is a big difference.
@@Tchild2 Like when the CEO's of the big 3 from Detroit flew in their individual private jets to Washington to ask for a bailout.
BYD’s owner is living in a 2 apartment unit still
Humble but with dreams to produce top quality cars which affordable for the grassroots people , that is where build your dream comes from 👍👍👍
Just forget all those sensor stuff and give us decent range a decent stereo, hell even hand crank windows work and should be cheap.
Cars are way overpriced and out of reach for many when insurance is added on-top.
*It would be nice if I could buy a BYD car in the USA*
you can buy a BYD bus in The States though
@@pyrophobia133 Too much money and too big to park on the driveway.
Why don't you change your government ?
I mean, USA is supposed to be a *_Democratic Country_* , right ?
NOOOOOO ! - Biden
@@verypleasantguy
Wait 12 months.... It may be a dictatorship in all but name.
Because of the Seagull, I made a study about off-grid fast charging villages in Africa to have a fast charging infrastructure all over Africa.
This car will be in direct competition against used European cars in Africa.
Used Japanese cars.
In Africa it takes bribing just a few politicians to make them shut the door to EV's.... Anyway I hope that won't happen. BYD Dolphin sells for $28,000 in South Africa, including 25% tarrifs
Charging villages nice idea 💡
Should also be implemented in china,india,latin america not only in Africa like Somalia then green technologies will available easily everywhere whereas u.s and west will be lacking behind.
Rediculous price. Who is going to pay that kind of money for something you only use around town. Also the cost of electricity is astronomical here.The amount of taxes and surcharges in South Africa is criminal.
@petersmangalisongoma2013 we dont have jewish lobbies like eu or usa so no. Did you see what happed in kenya? We are not like you.
Rode in my first BYD taxi on vacation in Dublin. Two couples and our luggage. Driver said it was the only appropriate car he could afford.
WTO rules are that tariffs can only be a 25% maximum. USA has broken WTO rules
Don't you know by now the US doesn't follow the rules?
As much as china made it's own boundaries in the sea 😮
@@Antiquated-Ether Same as NATO expansion then
The US only implements rules when it benefits from them.
@@Antiquated-Ether why are US warships 10,000 miles from America patrolling the South Chinese Seas?
I farm fruit in Spain, if my Chinese equipment vanished I could not continue, if my American possessions went, I would just need a new banjo.
A Chinese one.
The fundamental truth here is that China is able to learn from America but America has learned nothing from China, ergo -- humility pays.
Cheap efficient transport is the foundation of any economy, and wherever the Seagull is available the economy will improve.
BRICS nations will prosper disproportionally and their numbers will grow, not through warfare but by simply doing things better than the competition.
The American infrastructure is as decrepit as its president, and its economy is a hollow joke --- as is the dollar.
You couldn't have put it better. The US is following in the same footsteps as the British, last century. Their arrogance and hubris has led them to complacency, just like it did with the British. Their focus on shareholders rather than customers, their reluctance to invest in plant and their abhorrence at investing in their people is exactly what the British did. The irony that the Americans took on the British at their own game and won only to lose all by following Britain's path into the abyss should not be lost on anyone.
I would say that you use Chinese equipment because the cost of American is out of reach. John Deere and Caterpillar are advanced equipment and priced accordingly.
@@lo1234-w9r Cost isn't a factor with me, but quality certainly is, and I´m impressed with the reliability of my farm equipment, the lovely tone of my Chinese tenor sax and the build quality of my double bass and ukuleles. The only export of American origin I notice is Coca-Cola, which works very well as a toilet cleaner.
@@kerryburns-k8i Interesting. I was under the misapprehension that Coca-Cola was a beverage but couldn't understand how anything that tasted so bad could be sold as a drink. A toilet cleaner? That makes sense.
@@rais1953
I have noticed that it is popular with those who have not yet reached a high enough level of awareness to know which way round to wear a baseball cap. Also highly favoured amongst the morbidly obese.
Two huge markets there, and cannon fodder for Big Pharma.
For the sake of balance, I should add that Coca-Cola tastes better than most toilet cleaners.
I have seen a BYD car and boy is it well built and finished
China can assemble cars for US market in their Thai factory. US does not tariff Thailand 100%
Then US do the same to thailand as to china and thailand will tell china to get out just like UK tell china.
Won't make any difference, just tariff the company
U.S. will change the rules to target loopholes that try to escape tariffs. We still have an overcapacity of lawyers here in the U.S.☺
@@randygraham926You would need to change the gov if it is against the interest of people
@@randygraham926Thai government will definitely retaliate if they do that.
This is what bailing out the incompetent gets the U.S.
A productive economy needs to move quickly and cheaply.
It's been very easy for China to ascend given the lack of true opposition it faced. The catastrophic absence of thoughtful leadership on the part of Western elites is mindboggling. You don't see any, anywhere. Not in business, government, media, academia or even religious institutions anymore. This is why I joke we need to bring back Pol Pot because he understood the threat the professional managerial class can become. In our case, have become.
I love the tariffs. Thanks Biden.
Yet Americans will howl "I can't pull my boat with it".
Tariffs are like grace marks a failing student needs to pass an exam. That makes you more incompetent. The world is watching and understands
100% tariffs equals intense fear, especially after Detroit/US government says we all have to buy $70k--$100k trucks and SUVs because NOBODY wants a cheap small car. Collusion and lies. Normally they would open an anti-trust Sherman Act investigation but the US government is in on it. As a previous commentator said...F...k the failing US automakers and the overpaid autoworkers.
Too big to fail. Socialism for the rich.
Stating the obvious but 💯 correct
Dude. The United States is the number two manufacturer in the world with the highest GDP in the world. We are far from incompetent and we could not care less what the world watches or what the world thinks.
This sounds like it would be perfect for my daily commute.
What Americans have never understood about capitalists is that while they talk a good game when referring to open and free markets, they only support free trade when it benefits them.
What we have in the us is authoritarian corporate oligarchy and banks that deal in fiat currency. It's the land of make-believe.
I would want a BYD Qin L 2000km+ range hybrid!
No tariffs have been imposed on hybrids. YET.
Taxi drivers will be interested. 2000km can only be acheived in city driving and minus all those creature comforts such as air con and avoid highways and high speed driving otherwise you be looking at less than 1500km.
@@cuteandfunnyearthlings2863 Not true, they road tested it with full air con and still got over 2K!
@@cuteandfunnyearthlings2863 I believe that the air con will still get you above 1500 range.
@@cuteandfunnyearthlings2863Aircon set to 24 degrees celsius can still get you at least 2100km on full charge and full tank
USA ought to simply cooperate with China. Import the cars & re-charging stations & allow it all to be built in USA. This would create jobs, teach these advancements to a new generation of producers & put USA back on track.
No because of wolf amendmant and chinese exclusion act of 1882
They do. Does the cadillac lyriq look like an american car? Not only made in china but designed too.
No thanks, the belt and road is a mess
40 years ago China welcome foreign car companies to produce and joint with China car company , then they learn from west, and now they can produce even better cars compare to the west?? why not US and Europe do the something required China to be making cars in US soil and Europe nothing wrong to learn from each other??!!
Lots of jobs for insurance agents and fire-paramedics.
I don't like the whole picking winners by taxing the competition to death. You should be able to stand on your feet and sell your cars based on their own merit. Robbing the American consumer of lower priced vehicles is not fair.
For $11k even at 100% tariff level, bring them on!!
Yes, I believe these cars will start appearing even with the full tax.
The tariff is only the tip of the iceberg, there will be a whole lot of political risks for BYD in US.
The Cars need to be adjusted to US specifications and they will cost $15 K each. After 100% tariff, the cost will be $30 K each.
Still less than $40k+ 'US' cars, and the markup on top...
It’s impossible to even ship them much less put them on the road. I tried before the tariffs. There are a lot of regulatory barriers too. The tariffs are largely symbolic because the biggest hurdle is regulatory burden.
Don’t tell me that we’ve come to reverse engineering the China EV to understand how to make a better car.
That would be stealing China's technologies
It's possible, and there's the cost issue as well. I'm not particularly happy about it.
Doing it to see what they stole
People don't know that byd was a battery company first before it ventured into making cars. They have decades ahead knowledge and experience in making efficient and affordable batteries and that's the secret to their ev success
Tesla & Musk are EXTREMELY grateful for Biden's tarrifs on Chinese EVs. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Pay more attention.
"Tesla and Musk" have a very clear opinion that ALL tariffs AND Incentives should be removed, for EVs AND Internal Combustion Vehicles.
@rogerstarkey5390 ...sounds like you believe everything Musk says. Sad. You've drank his Kool-Aid.
Tesla still sells very well in china, unlike any other foreign brand
@proximoAZ Not lately. Tesla sales are currently tanking in China with the debut of fantastic, fresh, new EVs from a plethora of local Chinese brands, which offer so much more innovation. Teslas are old, played-out and lack any innovation. Ditto for Apple and their iPhone. Both companies lack any meaningful innovation of late.
@@craigslistseller9354I think you get your information on Craigslist - you couldn’t be further off the mark about Tesla.
UBS prepared a similar report stating that BYD manufacturing costs are 25% less then average EU auto manufacturer... No escape!
American car makers hate " simple". "Simple" means cheap and cheap means less profit. Complicated means expensive and that leads to more profit.
Except there are only so many people that can afford expensive cars...
But America makes simple cars. They don't make complicated things. America stuff are cheap meaning mediocre quality with a high end price.
Extinction Level Event. Well-said Kevin.
In US corporate most important is to get fat salary & bonus for CEO and shareholders . meaning more expensive products...
Same thing ocurred here in Brazil: BYD selling as fast as it can deliver, and the congressmen increasing taxes on imported electric and hybrid vehicles, to obey the command of giant companies that have always had an immoral profit margin at the expense of the brazilian working class.
America would say they stole US technology 😅
Now the US automakers say they need time to catch up!
They can't say that anymore because no other company in US offers this level of technology.
@@coliv2 Tesla can but not at their pricepoint.
"Detroit auto engineers tear down BYD's Seagull" study and copy, time has changed, America copy China - steal too. who is best at lies, cheats, steals....
Why can't the Americans reverse engineer Chinese technology? Or is it to difficult.
Don't worry. Be happy. Carry on printing.
Isn't this a repeat of the Japanese 4 cylinder car growth in the 1970s?
The current economic problems are what you get from the American solution: Capitalism combined with neo liberalism...more billionaires than anywhere else and a disappearing middle class.
As of 2024, China has more billionaires than the USA. 814 vs. 800.
BYD has over 40,000 patents, and they apply for ~30 new patents every day. So they can't stop them with Sanctions. Huawei have taken a similar path. Ownership of the technology leading edge.
This is the type of electric car I want to buy. I don't want to sit around for 20 or 30 minutes recharging the batteries. I want to pull up and swap out the battery, just like a cordless drill, pay my money and get back on the road. This should be the model for every single electric car.
Once again panicking politicians looking out only for themselves ‘closing the stable door after the horses have bolted’
The funny thing is that large manufacturers in America like Boeing once had some level of vertical integration but they split things out in order to instigate bidding processes. These seem to only exist to enable additional corruption and graft.
An especially gross side-effect of this split is that you now get Procurement departments now (almost always) choosing the cheapest bidder without actually knowing much about what it is that they are buying, which makes a bunch of upper managers look good... until things go wrong and "it's the vendor's fault". You get your budget and a perfect excuse for not achieving anything significant with it. As an upper manager, you can always switch jobs while this goes wrong, and you won't ever be held accountable for such a sterile strategy.
Opportunism (from Transaction Economics) meets the Peter Principle and "the Invisible Hand" (:
Eloquently put and a very fair critique of the situation
They could convince Japanese Manufacturers to open factories in the US back then cuz Japan is basically a vassal at that point. But China at this point would take a lot of incentives. Mexico is friendlier in comparison.
BYD already announced to built two factories in Europe. So they know how the play it, it's just the US will not want that. And the US has a bad record to sanction without proper reasons. Nobody wants to invest in a country where you can't trust to lose the investment due to minor political turmoil.
Congratulations on surpassing 40K! I started following you when you had just over 10K followers.
There is another TH-camr, Jason ( TH-cam channel: living in China).
I began following him when he had only 10K+ followers.
Now, he has over 450K followers and is soon approaching half a million.
You are even more informative.
You are that good!
He’s in it for the views and money so he can travel in China and tell us how great China is he should become a Chinese citizen see how he feels then lmao 🤣
@@thescharm454 It is not easy to become a Chinese citizen unless you have been in China for a long time via family unions or work achievements (such as a Nobel Prize).
In his case, it is almost impossible to become a five-star citizen (equivalent to a green card).
Who is a quality TH-camr that is not motivated by money?
P.S. There is no doubt in my mind that he is an American patriot, always thinking of American interests first.
He says, “Good morning,” and yet posts at night (USA time, morning) in China.
His target audience is Americans.
That is acceptable as long as he is not spreading lies or twisted propaganda out of context against China, and Chinese people.
Many TH-camrs, for the sake of money, spread lies and twisted propaganda out of context against Chinese people and China. They are pro-colonialism and imperialism. (Post-colonialism and post-imperialism are just other forms of colonialism, imperialism, and oppression).
@@hongkongchina2048 I don’t know the man just seems everything posted is pro China I believe we are as American asleep and we have lost our way which made us great manufacturing etc ….. but he never say the USA should do this or needs to do that it’s mostly just how China is eating our lunch which honestly is true in many ways
'Law of the handicap of a head start', Look it up on wikipedia, interesting read. It explains a lot of macro-economic phenomena around the world in the past centuries:
"The law of the handicap of a head start describes a phenomenon that is applicable in numerous settings. The law suggests that making progress in a particular area often creates circumstances in which stimuli are lacking to strive for further progress. This results in the individual or group that started out ahead eventually being overtaken by others. In the terminology of the law, the head start, initially an advantage, subsequently becomes a handicap."
The US new car (excluding trucks) is now less than 10% of the global new car market. The Chinese can now largely ignore the US market and sell their cars into other markets.
The other option is to set up EV assembly plants in Mexico and supply Central and South America from Mexico while waiting for the US to change its tariff policies.
Great video. In terms of whether it occurred to the people in Washington. I think that it *did* occur to them. They know very well that it's a good car for a great price. Hence the tariffs. If anyone still believes that TPB have our interests at heart, or work for *us*, needs to have their head examined.
Here in Costa Rica we don't care about the politics of car bosses. I see 7/10 EV parking spaces at work occupied by BYD.. must be doing something well 👍🏼
This is one of the best yet!!! 💯🎯
The success of a nation is decided on the consumer level. What matters is how efficiently the need for clean teeth can be met, not how great the profit margin of the toothbrush producer. This is however anathema to any society that's bought and paid for by said producer of toothbrushes and every other enterprise set up for the benefit of the few. It is truly fortunate there is some competition on the national level still. Or we'd be stuck with a bunch of corporate no-gooders growing increasingly entitled while they enjoy the unparalleled profit margins provided by them doing less for more.
Thing is, the existing toothbrush makers are producing their toothbrush with chicken feathers, while charge you an arm and a leg for their toothbrushes, and *_still_* expect you to continue using their chicken feather toothbrushes !
There are a billion people in China and that is more market size than all of the Americas, sell all those wonderful EVs to the Chinese public, Chinese don't need to sell EV's to foreigners, patriotic Chinese should buy them. If ever Chinese family buy one EV that would be like 300 million EVs buy by Chinese, don't let foreingers have our superior EVs Onlyh Chinese should have such wonderful things.
Yeah, I wouldn't underestimate USA just yet. In Australia, people are scrambling to get the new F150 Raptor at around 250,000 Aussie dollars. This is not to tow anything, but just to drive to the shops, try and fit into a tiny car park, and pick up some milk.
There are two commercial forces in any economy; one allows choice the other is coercive. Despite all the brave talk about competition, the USA is a protectionist society.
So is China.
@@incognitotorpedo42no, it is very competitive.
@@incognitotorpedo42China's protection is in accordance with WTO rules. Rules set by the USA who founded the organization
@@incognitotorpedo42 China's protection laws are based on WTO rules. Rules set by the USA who founded the organization
@incognitotorpedo42. Nope. China welcomes Apple and Tesla selling products in their country while the us directly bans BYD And Huawei from competiting with merikan companies at home
I live in metro - Detroit and no one is thinking about this . Just bizarre and a lesson on how total ignorance begets total ignorance. I'm reminded of the movie " Don't look Up "
The other issue tho is BYD would need to open dealerships and have parts warehouses and technicians etc. Instead of trying to block these cars why not try to get them to partner with the US Automakers, seems like a win win win.
the us automobile industry is fat on corporate handouts.
corruption at the highest level
And then the US accuses Chinese companies getting government grants. 😅
@@laowantongchau Do as I say, but *_not do what I do_*_ !_
Just bought an Ora to complement the Tesla I already own. Brother in-law got delivery of a BYD Seal and it is superior in every way to my Model 3 Dual Motor.
The Ora beats Tesla too?
I like the styling of the seal, I’ve never owned any electric car. I do think the AWD Tesla would have an advantage in some handling and bad weather situations, and the infotainment is meant to be better too. The BYD blade battery technology is give to the seal(providing they make it properly)
I prefer the seal. They’ll make an AWD air suspension one in time
Years ago China shifted to electric buses (most are BYD) and high speed electric trains. Innovation of EV's and battery tech in China is so fast it's mission impossible for any other country to catch up. USA consumers are now ... further stuck in the tailpipe belching past.
Makes me think of how Temu is going to put Amazon out of business. 😂
America needs to learn how to run their country and stay ahead. Auto manufacturers should not be obsessed with only profits. Stop funding overseas wars and interfering in other countries. Concentrate on internal problems
The moment they stop: genocides.
Then you: "Why didn't you do anything!?"
GG.
Excellent video. Thanks for sharing
Paying $50,000 for a new car is absolutely out of the range of most people. But it is the game that American consumers have been caught up in for many decades.
For those who can, I’d advise Americans to drive to Mexico and buy a @12,000 BYD car there and drive it back.
Just keep your car and repair it.
the government would probably make you pay a tariff on that Mexican bought BYD car to register it in the US just as they would on any entrepreneur that planned to do that on a large scale import of vehicles for resale in the US.